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We will be taking your calls, answering your questions regarding the best tech gifts to give and to get this holiday season and if you got a digital camera, Lori is there. >> That she is the one absolutely. This is episode 16 of 22. Obviously, we rotate-- >> Sweet 16. >> Sweet 16--that is actually not a song and I don't, I am not going to go in that. Anyways, Cooley, Molly Wood, they are going to be here everyday until December 23. >> And at which point we stop. >> Oh, yeah because... >> Then it is just too late. >> We want to just... >> Go out and buy whatever you see after that. You have our permission, but up until then we will try to help you out. If you're joining us live once again the number is 888-900-CNET, 888-900-C-N-E-T, that is 2638 if you do not have the letters on your phone or you can join in a bunch of conversations happening in the chat room at live.CNET.com and we are giving some stuff away. >> We always do that is why we are here so today is Crave Holiday giveaway prize. You guys have to jump on to crave.CNET.com, that is our blog. We are giving away an Energizer Prize Pack, so you might first think, oh this is just batteries. I don't care. There is a lot of stuff here. There is a pack that connects to all multiple different types of digital cameras, cell phones, hand held Camcorders. There is also portable flashlight and iPhone case that has a battery charger connected to it, so we have that going on and a multitude of different variety of batteries. It is valued around $327. So, you will need batteries, let's put it that way. >> We not only have free stuff, we also have deals. Deborah from Shopper.com is usually with us to tell you about the shopper deal details, but she is out sick today sadly. >> So? >> But that doesn't mean the deals are out sick. >> It doesn't mean that Brian Tong can't give you the deals that we got going on? >> Why, what's hopping there at the shopper? >> Yes, so I was looking around and we have quite a bunch of deals, but probably the one--there is two that stand out, but the one that stands out the most is the Dell Inspiron Mini 10v. This is the 10-inch Netbook. It is $50 cheaper than normal, so it is going to go for 279 with free shipping. The big advantage to this is, if you are looking to do one of those Hackintoshes and run OS X on a mini Netbook, this is one of the prime laptops to do that so that is why I find that kind of more of a lucrative attractive deal going on at Shopper and on the hotness rating, it is three hot dots out of five. >> Oh, I would think it would be hotter. >> Yeah, you know $50 maybe people are looking for a little, you know heavier discount, but still free shipping covers that as well. >> Because that's a hot laptop. >> Yeah, it is, it is excellent. And then the other thing that we have going on is a Dell Display. It is a 24-inch 1080p LCD display with HDMI, 179 bucks, free shipping as well. >> Also only three hot dots. People, you know... >> Three hot dots. >> People are getting, they are getting harder on hot. >> They are. >> They are like you got to really ball me over. >> Because once they saw, you know they are still stuck on that all that Cyber Monday, so you are getting like $300 off stuff like this. >> Could not be little scrooges with the hot dots. >> Hey, what can you do? >> Yeah. It takes a lot to impress the CNET audience. They are very savvy. >> So, check those deals out very good. >> Alright. Someone else who is savvy is cheapskate Rick Broida who chimes in with us on every edition of this Holiday Help Desk. Welcome Rick. >> Hey, how are you doing guys? >> How were things in the lair? >> The lair is good. You know I had a whole mess of hot dots this morning. A lot of ASUS Eee PC 10-Inch Netbook for 229 this morning. >> Oh, yeah. >> But it gone. >> It is almost like we need to have you saying those deals. >> Nothing is there. >> Until like an hour before the show just so we could say that your really killer deal is available when our shows up. >> Because it is all about you guys. >> No, I, you know what, I got you covered man, I did. I came up with something new just for the show. >> There we go. >> I just posted this a little while ago. It is a 1-terabyte Iomega network attached storage drive for the low, low price of 114.99 shipped. You know if you are looking for a terabyte of storage, it is going to cost you almost 100 bucks anyway. Here is your chance to get NAS storage, network attached storage... >> Yeah. >> For just a few bucks more. It is really nice deal, so check out that post with all the details. >> Excellent and Iomega obviously a pretty reputable brand, very re--you know, it's not anything like a third party drive that you have never heard of, so that is a good deal. >> Rick Broida never lets you down. CNET.com/cheapskate thanks Rick. >> Thanks guys. >> And we will talk to you again tomorrow or one of us, one of the four, the four-headed beast to that host is. >> Really? >> That we will talk to you again tomorrow. >> Okay. >> Alright. >> And make sure you just go and jump into the lines a little and see what is cracking there. >> What is the haps on the line with Miles. Hello Miles, welcome to Holiday Help Desk. What can we help you with today? >> Hello. Yes, I am was looking for a point-and-shoot digital camera and what I was hoping for is one that is under $150, but had some features where I can per se adjust per speed ISO so that it would be a good compliment to my larger DSLR because [inaudible] the more advanced photography stuff and I am just looking for a smaller camera I can carry everywhere. >> Okay, Miles you are breaking up a little bit there. Lori, did you get most of the question? >> Yeah, so I got most of his question. The, I would say probably the Fujifilm FinePix F200EXR is what you are looking for. It is--oops, sorry too expensive. Yeah, you see the promise under $150 you are probably not going to be able to find something with those features. The other thing is if you do, it is going to be really slow. And it is, when people are looking for stuff to compliment to digital LSR they are used to the speed of being able to capture things and you know no shutter lag and fast focus and you just don't get that in a point-and-shoot under a $150. >> Now, Lori I had a quick thing. We are looking at our holiday tech guide right now. >> Right. >> And we do have a few cameras here that are around you know the 150 range, right here we will see and we are looking at the Canon PowerShot A480. >> A480. You are looking at all the budget models? >> Yeah. >> And none of them, I believe none of them allow you to adjust shutter speed and aperture. >> What would be the price point that Miles would have to be willing to spend to get what he is looking for? >> I am thinking about 200 to 250. >> Miles, is that too far--too far up for you? >> You know that is not bad and I mean I, what would be one like with good image quality that did not have some of those features. I mean most to what I do wasn't going to be high speed shooting if I need to point-and-shoot only. >> Well, if you, if all you are looking for is decent image quality in a cheap camera then you know like Canon PowerShot A480 for a 130 bucks at most and I see it here actually as low as a hundred. >> Let me pull that. >> It is a pretty decent camera. It is not very you know sleek and attractive but you know that is like the cheapest thing you can get. The PowerShot SD1200 is one of the few point-and-shoots left that has an optical view finder which is another thing that a lot of people you know who were used to digital SLRs are also looking for and that will take very good images as well. The Nikon Coolpix S570, I have not shoot with that, Josh did, but I believe it is pretty good as well, that is another budget model. Now, as I said none of these really give you a lot of control. At most, you may get control over metering which can make a huge difference, but it is not the same as being able to set shutter speed and aperture and you may end up with you know in the high ISOs with really noisy photos. >> Okay Miles, does that help you out? >> Yes, and [inaudible] indecent exposure. >> Ah, very nice. >> Sorry we haven't done it in awhile. >> Okay fine, thanks. >> The fans are demanding it Lori. >> I guess he is requesting an episode. >> Alright. >> You are evil. >> Back to the phone lines 888-900-C-N-E-T, 888-900-2638 is the number. We actually have two lines open right now if you want to get sneak in there like Nathan did. Welcome back to the show Nathan, what is your question today? >> Alright, I just had a quick question about digital cameras with a large zoom. >> What do you consider large? >> Like 20, 25X. >> Ah, okay, so you want those big old ones. >> Because my dad wants a digital camera, but not like a DSLR, like a mid range one for, you know takes real good pictures in decent price you know. >> Well, unfortunately those what we call mega zoom cameras with the really long lenses tend to deliver some of what I would say or the least attractive photos because you make compromises when you have a lens that has to span such a large range. And then when you go for the even less expensive ones you know you are still making more trade-offs. You lose an electronic view finder which means you are sort of, you've got this huge zoom lens and you have to hold it out in front of you and you are trying to hold it steady. That said those you know zoom lenses can be really you know flexible and I know a lot of people are really into them. So, you know Fuji makes some decent budget mega zooms as does Kodak. I think and frankly I think those are your only options and under $300, I think you only get something like 15 to 18x. In order to get a higher zoom you have to go up to like 400 to $500. >> Okay, thanks. >> You're welcome. >> Alright, thanks Nathan, appreciate the call, 888-900-2638, 888-900-CNET, C-N-E-T. We are going to take a break and give us a call so we can get you back on the air and when we come back more calls and a little talk with Lori about cameras. ^M00:10:32 [ Music ] ^M00:10:37 >> If you think all batteries are the same, consider this. These Duracell batteries were given to the Mattel Children's Hospital UCLA. Because when it comes to kids and healing you are not just powering a toy, you are powering a smile. Duracell trusted everywhere. ^M00:10:53 [ Music ] ^M00:10:55 >> Everywhere you look new gadgets are popping up. To get the real story on them, there is really only one place to go, CNET.com. Discover something new at CNET. >> Last FM now on Xbox live. Discover your own music and explore endless personalized radio stations. Find out more at www.lastfm.com/xbox. ^M00:11:23 [ Music ] ^M00:11:27 >> Welcome back to the Holiday Help Desk. Phone lines are open 888-900-CNET, 888-900-2638. We are taking your questions about any holiday help gift idea thingy that you have in mind. Of course we have got Lori Grunin on the line, if you ask the digital camera stuff, that is perfect. >> Or Camcorders. >> And Camcorders, don't forget the Camcorders. >> Yeah. >> In fact, before we get to the phone, let's chat with Lori a bit about some of the most common camera question she gets. Let's start with Camcorders because we haven't talked about those yet. There is two classes right now, well, there is more than that obviously, but there is... >> I know where you are going. >> Many things that people are asking about and then there is all the other Camcorders that we have always had before, what do you think of those, you know. Who were those good for and what are the limitations, what should you watch out for if you are thinking of buying one of those. >> Well, first of all of course they are good for people who don't have a lot of money to spend on the Camcorder. They are also good for people who don't want to carry a lot. It is about, they are about the size of a phone, sometimes a little larger and you can put them in your pocket which you can't do with even the most compact of the other types of Camcorders. And some of the big differences are they do not have zoom lenses. They are fixed focal length. Generally, a relatively wide angle, but a lot of them can't focus too closely, the image quality is okay, but not great. You really, I mean, a--quote and quote, an HD flip isn't nearly as good as say an HD Canon that runs more like $600. Of course the difference between say $200 and $600 is quite a bit. They are great for kids. It seems that the people who have tend to buy them, tend to be teenagers and women and I do not really want to go into making connecting those groups, but they are you know in part because they are so you know you take them with you everywhere, therefore sort of capturing everyday things. They are not for events like you know, this is not depthless video that you want to keep forever. It is you know you want to post your video. >> To put stuff on YouTube or Facebook, stuff like that, yeah. >> Exactly of, you know drunken rebel reason, things that you kind of regret in 10 years when you are looking for a job. So, but they are really popular. However, one thing that I noticed in our--on CNET, I was looking at the numbers and the most popular digital camera or camcorder seems to be the Canon HF200 which is a relatively expensive HD camcorder and I was really surprised to see that. And it is actually seems to be more popular than cameras which is also new. I think that is a crossover this year. >> One of the questions that I think we get a lot too is should I continue to buy a taped camcorder or should I go with the hard drive and there is still DVD burner camcorders out there. Where you... >> They should die. >> Yeah. >> So we are clear on where you think those should go? >> Yes and they are dying. >> But between tape and hard drive where do you stand these days? >> It were at the point where the--you know, a lot of there is a myth that HD on tape isn't compressed and it is compressed. And we have gotten to the point where the compression writing to a hard drive doesn't introduce a lot of the artifacts that you used to see in the early days. It helps a sensors of gotten higher resolution, camcorders have gotten better and HD. So, I would say unless and even this is qualified, unless you are doing like broadcast or indie filmmaking video, I think you can actually feel safe with a good flash or high drive camcorder. And the video, this is actually a question that I get from people, they think that the video quality is different going to flash versus going to hard drive and it is not. It is identical video. It is just writing to a different storage medium. >> And you get some easier editing when you use a hard drive based, is that not true because you do not have to digitize or does it make any difference? >> It is easier because you can just drag the photo--sorry, drag the video onto your hard disk. You just connect the camcorder directly via USB and drag it over. However, editing like AVCHD video is still kind of problematic. It is extremely intensive and even really powerful machines, can't necessarily do it in real times, so a lot of people get frustrated, plus the software that ships with a lot of these camcorders is really, really bad. And I just tell people don't use it. You know just get something like you know premiere elements or you k now pinnacle studio or something like that. There are lots of sort of $99 video programs, but--so yeah, it is easier, you don't have to digitize it the way you do with the tape. >> Now Lori, I just have one question to jump in here, as time has gone on we have seen better video on still cameras--video cameras that take stills, are we still, are they starting to merge to the point where there is actual solution of one that can really do them all or you would still recommend they keep them separate, a lot of people ask this question a lot. >> It depends. If it depends on what your eventual plan for the video is. I tend to find that the video captured by a good digital camera is better than the stills captured by a good camcorder. >> Yeah. >> So, that is one. Two, the you know you can shoot some really nice video with your camera for vacations and stuff like that but you know once again if you are doing something like you are an indie filmmaker, you want to get creative etcetera, then you may not want to--then you may want to have separate devices. >> Okay. >> Alright, well thanks Lori, stick around if you would. >> Sticking. >> And help us on help desk but before we get to more calls we are going to show you one of your top picks for point and shoot cameras. You know this, but the audience might not. ^M00:17:31 [ Music ] ^M00:17:32 >> Hi, I am Josh Goldman, senior editor for CNET Reviews and this is a look at the Canon PowerShot S90. What looks like a fairly standard compact camera, the S90's features and design are geared toward advanced amateurs. For starters, up front is a bright F2 wide angle lens, the large aperture allows for improved low light photography as well as a shallow depth of field that's not typically found on compact cameras. Around the lens is a control ring for quickly adjusting things like aperture, shutter speed, focus, white balance, and ISO. A ring around the directional pad and back works in tandem with the front control rings, so for example if you are in manual mode one changes the aperture while the other adjusts shutter speed. There is a programmable shortcut button to for turning features on and off like face detection or for setting the manual white balance or changing ISO. The photo shooting feature set is very extensive, so what it comes down to is that if you like having fine control over your photo results, this camera gives that to you and does it on intuitive way. Other perks include a big 3-inch LCD, 25 shooting modes including 17 scene options, raw and raw-plus JPEG capture and the ability to set up a custom shooting mode and system menu for frequently accessed settings. Photo quality is generally excellent on par with the best power shoots and the only thing that might be disappointing for some users is its performance. It is not that it is slow, it is just that if you are expecting it to be as fast as a digital SLR, it is not. It shutter lag and shot-to-shot times are on par with Canon's other point-and-shoot cameras. Also, despite having an HDMI output the movies are VGA and there is no use of the zoom while recording. Otherwise, it is a pretty great pocket camera for those looking to do more than point-and-shoot. I am Josh Goldman and that is the Canon PowerShot S90. >> Alright, thanks Josh and let's get back to the phones at 888-900-CNET, 888-900-2638. Peterson on the line from Boston welcome to Holiday Help Desk. Peterson, what can we help you with? >> Hey Tom, hi Brian. >> What is up? >> Hey, well I don't know of any better people to toss this question to, but I was going to be sent to some school soon and I was... >> Congratulations. >> Either going to take about getting MacBook Pro or a Sony Vaio. Now, the thing is I wanted to put on the MacBook Pro Window 7 and possibly if I was going to get the Sony Vaio put the Mac OS Leopard on it. >> Mackintosh. >> Because I remember coming across like a help kind of like you know a tutorial from Tom. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Showing how to put Leopard on a PC. >> Right. >> So, I was wondering... >> And it is actually easier that when I made that video. >> How easily that could be done on the Sony Vaio or am I better off going the MacBook Pro direction. >> Well, the way I would answer this is the cheaper way would be to get the Vaio and put the Hackintosh thing on it. The easier way and the more clearly legal way will be to go with the MacBook and put Windows 7 on it. And you may not need a MacBook Pro. Look into that spec and find out. MacBook Pro gives you a couple of advantages that MacBook doesn't have and a better video card and a few more ports, but really the MacBooks these days--unless you are talking about that 13-inch MacBook Pro which used to be a MacBook, but then the lower cost MacBooks might be plenty for you. You may not need to go with the higher-end MacBook Pro, but it is going to be expensive either way. The Sony Vaio is a great player. The difficulty is--a great laptop, the difficulty is when you try to continue to keep Leopard updated you are going to run into issues as you try to continue to make sure that that Hackintosh works because most updates just to OS X brake Hackintosh a little bit, and so and driver updates and things like that can become a hassle. So, the easy way is the MacBook with the Windows. The clearly legal way is MacBook with the Windows, but the cheap way would be and the hackery fun way is the Vaio with Hackintosh. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, Tom basically covered all--I'm sorry go ahead Peterson, sorry. >> Well, it definitely would be cheaper for me because I actually happen to work for Sony at Sony Style Store. >> Now, yeah. >> Well, then I'd be... >> So, it is just really the poking questions for me right now because I am, I go to school for design so like you know I really kind of was figuring which one... >> Sure, sure. >> Was a better tool for me. I was looking at the 15-inch MacBook Pro and particularly the Sony Vaio SW series with the built-in Blu-ray player because those I really like style. >> Yeah, the other thing I was going to mention is if the Blu-ray player is really a priority and you don't mind playing the game of cat and mouse you know if that Blu-ray player has such a higher priority in your list of what you need to get, obviously you are going to have to look at the Sony. But, to me it gets annoying to always continually do the whole cat and mouse game with updates drivers, updates drivers, even if you just happen to have Mac OS X on that Sony Vaio. >> And don't forget that that Sony warranty doesn't allow you to put a Hackintosh on there, so you may be violating that warranty as you will know working at the Sony Styles store. >> True, true. >> The other is that if you are studying design one reason that the Mac OS is so nice for design because of the integration of the hardware and if you just putting the OS on the Sony won't give you the same experience. >> Right, right. It is not going to work as smoothly, that is the one thing I found putting it on the ThinkPad is things are a little inconsistent in how they work, whereas if you put it on the hardware it is designed for, it's inconsistent less often. >> Yeah. And with graphics software you may run into bugs that that you can't overcome. >> But you could just do the graphics software on the Windows side then so you know. >> Hah! Yes fun jumping from OS X. >> Yeah, yeah. It is all a matter of a balancing that out, okay? Thanks Peterson, I appreciate your question. >> Thank you. >> A good thought-provoking question there. >> Yeah. >> Let's move on to Gabriel who has been hanging on the line patiently, thanks for waiting for us welcome to Holiday Help Desk. >> Hi Tom, it's great talking to you. I am calling from Caracas, Venezuela. >> Oh, thanks for calling. >> I guess I am the first call from Caracas, Venezuela. I am the only one maybe. >> Ah, well you know I don't know Holiday Help Desk wise this year we have Venezuela before Jason, Tony [assumed spelling]. >> None. >> We have them on--we have had Caracas on CNET Live before though, I don't think on Holiday Help Desk. >> Makes me think of that song from Spanish class. >> Lori and Tom I have a question regarding cameras. >> A-ha. >> I am trying to decide between the Nikon D5000, the Nikon D90 and the Canon Rebel XSi. What do you think Lori? >> Well, just randomly off the top of my head, I would say the D5000. >> Okay. >> What... >> Because I'm not an expert at taking photography. >> Okay. >> I am planning to take some courses and all that. I have two kids you know and I would like to take really nice pictures and I usually you know go to put a easy way with the auto mode, but I am trying to get something more, a little bit more professional looking. >> Well frankly, anyone of them will give you really nice images. Their performance is good, etcetera. The reason I say the D5000 is because frankly at this point the D90 is starting to slip out of the channel and so you would probably end up paying a lot more for it than you need to. The D5000 is basically the replacement for the D90. It is cheaper and it is different, but it will fulfill most of your needs the way the D90 would has similar auto focus system etcetera. The XSi is getting kind of old. It has some older technologies in it. The D5000 has an articulated LCD. >> Right. >> It has video, it has and it has--actually no, the D3000 which you didn't mention, you may want to consider it as well. It doesn't do video and it doesn't have the articulated LCD, but it does have a help system designed to help people like you learn more about their camera. >> Yeah, but I long to video too, that is the thing. >> Okay, well then I would, actually would say the D5000 because I like the articulated LCD. >> It a newer technology you mean? >> Yeah. I like the articulated LCD, it is fast and it is got good image quality. You know a lot of it also depends upon your budget and how the fact that you said you are considering at least made to believe that it is within your budget. >> Alright, thanks Gabriel. I appreciate the call, hope that helps you out. Let's move on to Ethan in Massachusetts. Welcome to Holiday Help Desk Ethan, what can we help you with today? >> Yeah, hi guys. I was just looking for a camcorder that will take 720p video at 60 frames per second. >> And it doesn't matter how much it cost? >> Well, I was just trying to look and see what I think would be. >> Money is no option? >> Well frankly, something is low end as the Kodak Zi8 I believe does 720p. >> Yeah. >> 720p at 60 frames per second, so do you want good 720p video? >> Yeah, I like to have a good quality, but I am not looking to spend a couple of thousand dollars. I mean, maybe... >> Right. Well, no it is not a couple of thousand dollars. Okay, now we are challenging my memory though. >> It is around 179 which I believe the ZI8? >> Yes, but I am trying to think of mid range models that will do it. Let me--oh god. It really challenges my memory. I hate to say it, but that something I can't answer off the top of my head. The what have I done lately? >> Yeah, I am trying to... >> Well we are going hunting, we are trying to hunt. >> Yeah, I know and you can't find it on our site. >> It wouldn't be in your best list is what your saying? There is not like they not in the mid range. >> No, it might--well, the thing is my best list only have one camcorder per list because cameras are tend to be more popular holiday gifts, so I tend skew my lists towards cameras rather than camcorders, although ironically, I am getting a lot more camcorder questions now. But it definitely the--and the other thing is I am also--there is stuff that hasn't come out yet that I get confused at the moment. >> Oh, yeah you do not want get yourself in trouble. >> Lori, how much-- >> Still inspects... >> So yes, what I would say actually even unless this is for a gift for somebody else or for yourself I would delay my purchase at CES, is early next month and that is when every body announces their new camcorders for the year. So, I think you'll probably see a lot more choices that support that. >> Okay. >> So, you are, you maybe able to get it--not have to pay as much because you will have more choices. So, you know just wait a few weeks. Worst case scenario you just buy it in mid January. >> Lori, I pulled up the--you had mentioned it earlier about the Canon HF200. >> Yes. >> Is that something that would fall in it. >> I don't think it supports 60 frames per second at 720p. >> Oh, 60 frames--got it. >> Yes, yeah. Call it a specialty mode, most of them just do 30 frames per second at 720P. What we are seeing now more is camcorders that do 1080p are sort of backfilling that 720p 60 frame per second mode because people want to do sort of pseudo-slow motion. You know you record it really fast and then play it back at 30 frames per second that is what a lot of people use it for. >> Yeah, that is what I was looking to do. >> Yup. So yeah, actually and there I believe there is stuff that you can expect that you will find interesting for doing stuff like that if you just wait a little while. How was that? >> Alright, thanks Ethan. I hope that helps you. That give you a little bit of inside information there. It is good have friends in high places. Let's finish up with one last call from Richard in California, is this Walnut Creek, California? >> Yes, sure is. >> It just says Walnut on my call screen cell phone, so I was... >> Oh, the nuts. >> I was making... >> Well that could be difficult. >> Ah, yeah. >> The real Walnut is a real city in California. >> Okay, good, good. Welcome to Holiday Help Desk. >> Okay. I want to know if I can use a cellular modem like a Sprint or Verizon cellular modem and be able to see Internet TV like CNET TV well enough to be able to get it on to my WiFi system and onto my home TV. >> Yeah, yes. I mean the frame rate is not great, right? These EVDO modems, these cellular modems, the HSPA modems are limited in bandwidth. They are not super high, but they are equivalent to around DSL speeds. So, it is going to be enough especially if you don't have anything else using it at the same time. If you don't have 15 other things connected to it you should be able to at base use the cellular connection to watch TV. And then the trick is well how do I best connect it to my television? Do you have it set up already to get video somehow onto the TV or are you looking for an answer to that as well. >> No, I am looking for an answer to that as well. I assume I could plug the TV into the router and get the signal that way. >> If the TV is Internet-enabled then yes, but you would need a special router. You need a router that allows you to put in one of those data cards in it and Kyocera are amongst others make those kind of routers that allow you to share out that signal, but that is really not the best way, that the best way would be to have some kind of computer hooked up to the television and have that computer hooked up to your data card. Now, either with a slot or with one of those MiFi's from Sprint. Verizon also offers them that allow you to have a WiFi connection around. WiFi isn't great for video though, so probably your best way is to have a data card in a computer and that computer hooked up directly to the TV. It doesn't matter if it is a laptop or a desktop and then go direct that way. The Internet connected TVs are good for widgets and things like that, but once you start routing that data, data card through a router and into the TV you might, you start to run in to issues. So, you know I would definitely try to get the source of the video as close to the TV as possible. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Tom, doesn't he, shouldn't he worry about bandwidth caps as well on those? >> Yeah, that is a good point Lori. There is a, with all of these plans in the United States there is a 5-gigabyte data cap per month. So, it also depends on how much video you are going to watch. I watch a fair amount of video on my MiFi signal and that is got a 5-gigabyte cap and I don't come close to the 5-gigabyte cap, but I am not using it as my main connection. So, it is not that you can't watch--you know it is not that oh my gosh if I watch a few videos, I am going to be over the top, but if you watch three or four hours a day everyday you definitely go over it. So, you got to keep your usage in mind as well. >> Okay, thanks a lot. >> Alright. Thanks Richard. I appreciate the call. We have to give away some stuff don't we? >> We have to announce, you have got to announced the winner of our last giveaway stuff. >> That is right. Alright, Monday, yesterday's Crave Holiday Giveaway was an HP Mini 311 Netbook and the winner is, Mr. Tong you want to do the honors? >> It is Desk Martin [assumed spelling]. >> Actually, a fairly mundane username compared to some that we have seen. >> Yeah, it is... >> He is Martin and he's got a desk. >> It is very unique indeed. >> And he is Desk Martin. >> Oh, yeah. >> Congratulations Desk Martin, you will find an e-mail from CNET's Liz Darby in your inbox. Look for it soon. >> Alright, we are going to wrap up this Holiday Help Desk Show. Tomorrow, it is going to be Tom with Cooley? >> Yup. >> Cooley and Tom doing the thing and newegg-- >> Back again. >> And what? >> Newegg. >> And I was going to say newegg. Newegg is going to be here, 1pm Pacific, 4pm Eastern time, so we will see you guys tomorrow. >> Thanks a lot. >> Thanks Lori Grunin for sitting with us. >> Thank you Lori. >> It is always a pleasure. You are so smart it is great to have you on the show. >> My pleasure. >> Alright, we will see you later folks. >> Bye. ^M00:33:20 [ Music ]