Ep. 1440: Where we channel surf with Sadie Gennis

-What's up, everybody? -What's up, everybody? It's Friday, March 7th, 2014. It's Friday, March 7th, 2014. This is The 404 Show on CNET. This is The 404 Show on CNET. I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Justin Yu. -Ariel is back there. -Ariel is back there. Wave hi, Ariel. Wave hi, Ariel. Hi. Hi. He doesn't have a microphone, but that's okay because today, joining us for the first time ever, it's a very big deal, Saddie Gennis from TV Guide is in the studio. He doesn't have a microphone, but that's okay because today, joining us for the first time ever, it's a very big deal, Saddie Gennis from TV Guide is in the studio. Around of applause for Saddie Around of applause for Saddie Gennis. Gennis. Please let's give her a nice, warm 404 welcome. Please let's give her a nice, warm 404 welcome. What's up, Saddie? What's up, Saddie? -Not a lot. -Not a lot. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -How's it going? -How's it going? -Well, a little nervous. -Well, a little nervous. -So, I feel terrible because Saddie claimed she's nervous and I don't know, everytime we've interacted you seem pretty laid back and calm and collected. -So, I feel terrible because Saddie claimed she's nervous and I don't know, everytime we've interacted you seem pretty laid back and calm and collected. So, why the nerves? So, why the nerves? -Have you ever seen that 30 Rock episode where Jack films a commercial? -Have you ever seen that 30 Rock episode where Jack films a commercial? -Yes. -Yes. -That is why. -That is why. I don't know what to do with my I don't know what to do with my hands. hands. -That is all like is this how you walk? -That is all like is this how you walk? Yeah. Yeah. -Yeah, it's like give me two mugs-- -Yeah, it's like give me two mugs-- -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. -Totally fine. -Totally fine. -Right on. -Right on. Well, don't be nervous. Well, don't be nervous. This is the show that's designed to make people feel comfortable when they're on. This is the show that's designed to make people feel comfortable when they're on. So, you promise from here on now. So, you promise from here on now. -I'm feeling pretty good. -I'm feeling pretty good. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I'm surprised that you've never done a media appearance before because you're the staff editor at TV Guide but you've never been on TV before. -I'm surprised that you've never done a media appearance before because you're the staff editor at TV Guide but you've never been on TV before. Is this your first time? Is this your first time? -Yes. -Yes. -You've been on like, you've done junkets, right? -You've been on like, you've done junkets, right? -No. -No. -I don't know. -I don't know. -What's junket? -What's junket? -You know what a junket is. -You know what a junket is. -No. -No. I have no idea. I have no idea. I've heard that before but I don't know what it is. I've heard that before but I don't know what it is. -Junket is like when they do like movie tours and they bring like journalist into this room and keep interviewing like that. -Junket is like when they do like movie tours and they bring like journalist into this room and keep interviewing like that. -Oh, yeah, they have like some movie poster behind, -Oh, yeah, they have like some movie poster behind, -Yeah. -Yeah. -it's kinda like what we do on the Last FM's stage. -it's kinda like what we do on the Last FM's stage. -Right, right. -Right, right. Exactly. Exactly. -Yeah that makes sense. -Yeah that makes sense. -Yeah, junkets. -Yeah, junkets. All right. All right. Well, thank you for being here. Well, thank you for being here. The pleasure is all ours. The pleasure is all ours. Tell us what you do over TV Guide and why it's the best show in the world. Tell us what you do over TV Guide and why it's the best show in the world. -Well, I watch a lot of TV. -Well, I watch a lot of TV. So, number one reason it's the best job ever. So, number one reason it's the best job ever. -Right. -Right. -And then I do a lot of features -And then I do a lot of features where I get on soap boxes and rant about things and shows that upset me or that I like love, but mainly things that make me angry. where I get on soap boxes and rant about things and shows that upset me or that I like love, but mainly things that make me angry. -So, a lot of things make you angry. -So, a lot of things make you angry. -Yeah. -Yeah. -You're a very opinionated. -You're a very opinionated. I've read some of your stuff. I've read some of your stuff. You're also very strangely obsessed with weird things that I can't quite wrap my head around. You're also very strangely obsessed with weird things that I can't quite wrap my head around. Perhaps it's a generational gap. Perhaps it's a generational gap. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. But there's a lot of stuff like for instance-- and so you're obsessed with TV, we know this. But there's a lot of stuff like for instance-- and so you're obsessed with TV, we know this. You have a lot You have a lot of very rigid and radical opinion, sure we'll call them radical opinions. of very rigid and radical opinion, sure we'll call them radical opinions. -All right. -All right. -But you're also like kind of obsessed with like train wreck celebrities. -But you're also like kind of obsessed with like train wreck celebrities. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Can you kind of give us a little background on that? -Can you kind of give us a little background on that? Because I myself love watching the demise of famous people. Because I myself love watching the demise of famous people. I think there's a certain like rubbernecking, like you know, satisfaction I get from that. I think there's a certain like rubbernecking, like you know, satisfaction I get from that. But what's your story? But what's your story? -I don't like it for the whole like schadenfreude aspect. -I don't like it for the whole like schadenfreude aspect. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I don't know if that's pronounced right. -I don't know if that's pronounced right. -I think you're in the Ballpark. -I think you're in the Ballpark. -Something -Something like that. like that. -Yeah. -Yeah. -It's-- I don't-- I can't stand Beyonce. -It's-- I don't-- I can't stand Beyonce. -Really? -Really? -That's what-- -That's what-- -Wow. -Wow. -That-- I think this is where it comes from. -That-- I think this is where it comes from. Beyonce is so perfect. Beyonce is so perfect. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I can't relate to her at all. -I can't relate to her at all. -Sure. -Sure. -Whereas people like Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears they mess up so much that it's like, -Whereas people like Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears they mess up so much that it's like, -Yeah. -Yeah. -I know they're not doing that on purpose. -I know they're not doing that on purpose. -They're more human. -They're more human. -Not like a façade so they're more human. -Not like a façade so they're more human. -Interesting. -Interesting. -And I want them to succeed. -And I want them to succeed. -Right. -Right. Beyonce is [unk]. Beyonce is [unk]. -That's an interesting point. -That's an interesting point. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And-- so, but don't you think a lot of that says -And-- so, but don't you think a lot of that says a lot about that type of person's character though? a lot about that type of person's character though? Like clearly Beyonce is not a perfect person. Like clearly Beyonce is not a perfect person. I'm sure she's like-- I'm sure she's like-- -She's a robot. -She's a robot. -She is sort of a robot but I feel like, you know, she's not the perfect person but we just don't see her trip or we don't see her do like, you know, have these meltdowns which I'm sure she has. -She is sort of a robot but I feel like, you know, she's not the perfect person but we just don't see her trip or we don't see her do like, you know, have these meltdowns which I'm sure she has. She's-- you know, they just gotta have flaws. She's-- you know, they just gotta have flaws. So, what do-- I mean, so why is it that like we don't see her meltdown in public but like So, what do-- I mean, so why is it that like we don't see her meltdown in public but like Britney Spears, you know, she shaves her head or Lindsay Lohan, she's always doing crack and she's in jail or whatever, you know, she's driving cars into people and things, like what's up with that? Britney Spears, you know, she shaves her head or Lindsay Lohan, she's always doing crack and she's in jail or whatever, you know, she's driving cars into people and things, like what's up with that? -Like Lindsay has a serious addiction as you know. -Like Lindsay has a serious addiction as you know. -Okay. -Okay. -And so that's why she is, you know, huge fucked up. -And so that's why she is, you know, huge fucked up. -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. -I just-- she's also really charismatic. -I just-- she's also really charismatic. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And like she was on Fallon last night and she was so funny. -And like she was on Fallon last night and she was so funny. -Really? -Really? -And I was really also proud of her. -And I was really also proud of her. Like I'm on my hand. Like I'm on my hand. -Oh, God. -Oh, God. -Do you like-- do you -Do you like-- do you like watching them fall better or do you like watching them get back up then? like watching them fall better or do you like watching them get back up then? -Oh, I love watching them. -Oh, I love watching them. -With Lindsay Lohan, you get the entire thing. -With Lindsay Lohan, you get the entire thing. -Yeah, you get everything that's for sure. -Yeah, you get everything that's for sure. -It's like your whole timeline. -It's like your whole timeline. -Yeah. -Yeah. -But which one do you like the best? -But which one do you like the best? -I love watching them succeed. -I love watching them succeed. Like I just was in Vegas two weeks ago to see Britney's show, Like I just was in Vegas two weeks ago to see Britney's show, -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -and her dancing was not was it used to be but she was trying so hard and anytime she would do like a slightly tricky move like a dip. -and her dancing was not was it used to be but she was trying so hard and anytime she would do like a slightly tricky move like a dip. -Yeah. -Yeah. -The whole crowd would like drop and applause. -The whole crowd would like drop and applause. -Yeah people want to see that. -Yeah people want to see that. -Yeah, and it was nice. -Yeah, and it was nice. You have this community that's like really You have this community that's like really supportive of-- supportive of-- -Yeah. -Yeah. -a celebrity like her. -a celebrity like her. -Sure. -Sure. -Where it's normally we love taking them down but with Britney, all of her fans like they have good intentions for her and I enjoy that, and I enjoy being part of the Britney fan community. -Where it's normally we love taking them down but with Britney, all of her fans like they have good intentions for her and I enjoy that, and I enjoy being part of the Britney fan community. -Huh. -Huh. So, she's like rocking planet Hollywood now, right? So, she's like rocking planet Hollywood now, right? -She's killing it. -She's killing it. -She does have a show every night, right? -She does have a show every night, right? -Yeah-- no, I don't know if it's every night but most nights. -Yeah-- no, I don't know if it's every night but most nights. -Okay. -Okay. Yeah, because we were in Vegas in January and we saw all the coming attractions. Yeah, because we were in Vegas in January and we saw all the coming attractions. There was just like It's Britney, Bitch. There was just like It's Britney, Bitch. Like everywhere you're at. Like everywhere you're at. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And we're like cool. -And we're like cool. She's in Vegas. She's in Vegas. -How old is Britney? -How old is Britney? -She is early 30s. -She is early 30s. -Forty-three. -Forty-three. -Oh, wow. -Oh, wow. Okay, good for her. Okay, good for her. Good for her. Good for her. -So, she could be your mother. -So, she could be your mother. -No, not really. -No, not really. That would be stretching it but yeah. That would be stretching it but yeah. All right, very cool. All right, very cool. So, let's switch give us a little more like TV stuff. So, let's switch give us a little more like TV stuff. What's popular right now on the site which shows you into without ruining stuff for me? What's popular right now on the site which shows you into without ruining stuff for me? And you know, tell us like, you know, what you're covering lately? And you know, tell us like, you know, what you're covering lately? -Well, lately, -Well, lately, I do a lot of Supernatural coverage and I am obsessed True Detective at the moment. I do a lot of Supernatural coverage and I am obsessed True Detective at the moment. -Okay. -Okay. So, now wait, now wait. So, now wait, now wait. You-- I need to just put out a disclaimer there. You-- I need to just put out a disclaimer there. I haven't seen an episode. I haven't seen an episode. I need you guys to tread super lately because that is rude for you to do this on our show, that would be a rude thing to do. I need you guys to tread super lately because that is rude for you to do this on our show, that would be a rude thing to do. -It is rude to television and not to watch True Detective. -It is rude to television and not to watch True Detective. -I understand that but I still have-- the finale is this Sunday, right? -I understand that but I still have-- the finale is this Sunday, right? So, I So, I still have a few hours to binge watch the first 9 episodes. still have a few hours to binge watch the first 9 episodes. -Seven. -Seven. -Seven, even better. -Seven, even better. Right? Right? So-- So-- -It's really easy to get through them. -It's really easy to get through them. -I'm sure. -I'm sure. So, there is a bit of Supernatural stuff to this show? So, there is a bit of Supernatural stuff to this show? -No. -No. -Okay. -Okay. -I cover the show Supernatural and I'm obsessed with True Detective. -I cover the show Supernatural and I'm obsessed with True Detective. -Well, time out. -Well, time out. -Oh, I totally didn't get it. -Oh, I totally didn't get it. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I was like, oh it's a supernatural genre. -I was like, oh it's a supernatural genre. -Oh, my gosh, she must cover Vampire Diaries and stuff like that. -Oh, my gosh, she must cover Vampire Diaries and stuff like that. -People-- some people-- -People-- some people-- -Yeah, that's what I was thinking. -Yeah, that's what I was thinking. -Yeah. -Yeah. -No way. -No way. -There's a show called Supernatural? -There's a show called Supernatural? -Yes. -Yes. -What's it about? -What's it about? -Yeah, tell us about it. -Yeah, tell us about it. -Yeah, we're learning a lot today. -Yeah, we're learning a lot today. -It's about two brothers -It's about two brothers taking down demons. taking down demons. -That's it? -That's it? -Well, there's-- they went through this huge like mythological overhaul, -Well, there's-- they went through this huge like mythological overhaul, -Yeah. -Yeah. -like seven years ago. -like seven years ago. -Right. -Right. -And so now it's like a battle between heaven and hell. -And so now it's like a battle between heaven and hell. -Isn't that what Grimm is about? -Isn't that what Grimm is about? -I don't watch Grimm. -I don't watch Grimm. -Same damn thing. -Same damn thing. It's like two guys-- It's like two guys-- -Yeah. -Yeah. -that just battled demon. -that just battled demon. -And Saddie, you gotta finish-- -And Saddie, you gotta finish-- -No, but it's about the brothers' relationship. -No, but it's about the brothers' relationship. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Okay. -Okay. -And you know, it's actually there are a lot of parallels between that -And you know, it's actually there are a lot of parallels between that -Right. -Right. -and True Detective and a lot of senses. -and True Detective and a lot of senses. -True Detective is great because it has sort of like -True Detective is great because it has sort of like an occult. an occult. I'm not gonna spoil anything for you, don't raise those eyes at me. I'm not gonna spoil anything for you, don't raise those eyes at me. -Okay. -Okay. -It had this weird occult thing that you never really get-- you get really small bits and pieces of it. -It had this weird occult thing that you never really get-- you get really small bits and pieces of it. I think that show is really good about just teasing you. I think that show is really good about just teasing you. -Yeah. -Yeah. -But most of the show nothing really happens. -But most of the show nothing really happens. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And then like at the end like the last five minutes it will just explode. -And then like at the end like the last five minutes it will just explode. -Yeah, just like the finale like someone is gonna grow wings and fly away is what's gonna happen. -Yeah, just like the finale like someone is gonna grow wings and fly away is what's gonna happen. -I hope not. -I hope not. -Yeah. -Yeah. -There are all these people who are reading into every little details of the show, -There are all these people who are reading into every little details of the show, -Yeah. -Yeah. -and like acting as it would have this like Lost complex mythology. -and like acting as it would have this like Lost complex mythology. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And we all saw what happened with Lost. -And we all saw what happened with Lost. -Yeah. -Yeah. Everyone hated the ending of Lost. Everyone hated the ending of Lost. -[unk] killed Lost. -[unk] killed Lost. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And I think-- I mean, come on. -And I think-- I mean, come on. I wouldn't expect that kind of debauchery from something like HBO. I wouldn't expect that kind of debauchery from something like HBO. -Well, also they're not writing it as they go along too. -Well, also they're not writing it as they go along too. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I think they have a couple lost in that. -I think they have a couple lost in that. -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. -Also, I just don't really view True Detective. -Also, I just don't really view True Detective. I don't think the point of it is about solving the case. I don't think the point of it is about solving the case. I don't really care about who killed Dora Lange. I don't really care about who killed Dora Lange. -Okay. -Okay. Okay, that's fine. Okay, that's fine. -That's true. -That's true. -That's more about characters. -That's more about characters. -And the show doesn't act like it, -And the show doesn't act like it, -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. -like that's the focal point either. -like that's the focal point either. -Right. -Right. -Interesting. -Interesting. -I think it's sort of what -I think it's sort of what Lost wanted to be where like they gave us the character, emotional resolution in the end. Lost wanted to be where like they gave us the character, emotional resolution in the end. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -And that's all I wanted in True Detective. -And that's all I wanted in True Detective. -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -So, I mean, from what it sounds like and again, I've seen zero seconds of this program, but it sounds like the show really has its stuff together. -So, I mean, from what it sounds like and again, I've seen zero seconds of this program, but it sounds like the show really has its stuff together. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And that it's pretty much front to back, a work of art for sure, right? -And that it's pretty much front to back, a work of art for sure, right? -Yeah. -Yeah. -Am I accurate in saying that? -Am I accurate in saying that? So, the bar is high. So, the bar is high. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Let's see if it can meet my expectations. -Let's see if it can meet my expectations. -Yes. -Yes. -Worst name for a show ever. -Worst name for a show ever. -Why? -Why? -Can we all agree on that? -Can we all agree on that? -No. -No. -For some reason I hate that name. -For some reason I hate that name. -It's kind of bad. -It's kind of bad. -It reminds me too much of True Blood first of all, like that's number one thing. -It reminds me too much of True Blood first of all, like that's number one thing. -Oh, okay. -Oh, okay. You don't wanna associate yourself with that. You don't wanna associate yourself with that. -But it just-- yeah, it doesn't even make sense. -But it just-- yeah, it doesn't even make sense. Like they never reference anything about that in the show. Like they never reference anything about that in the show. -I keep rating all these like critiques of it online, where it's like it's not Rust or Marty who's the true detective, it's us. -I keep rating all these like critiques of it online, where it's like it's not Rust or Marty who's the true detective, it's us. -Oh, God. -Oh, God. -And I just can't stand that. -And I just can't stand that. -Perhaps you're looking too much into the program. -Perhaps you're looking too much into the program. -Give me a break. -Give me a break. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Or Rustin, yeah, have you met anybody else? -Or Rustin, yeah, have you met anybody else? That's what it's short for. That's what it's short for. -That's what his name is short for. -That's what his name is short for. -Yeah. -Yeah. Like in the Like in the second episode they refer to him like in his full name. second episode they refer to him like in his full name. So, they call him rust and that's Matthew McConaughey's character. So, they call him rust and that's Matthew McConaughey's character. Full name Rustin. Full name Rustin. -Yeah. -Yeah. I mean, they're from the south, right? I mean, they're from the south, right? Like that's-- could be a geographical name original name perhaps. Like that's-- could be a geographical name original name perhaps. -Yeah. -Yeah. It's weird. It's weird. -So, there's a lot of cool stuff on HBO coming up. -So, there's a lot of cool stuff on HBO coming up. Game of Thrones, April 6th. Game of Thrones, April 6th. -My favorite. -My favorite. -Okay, we could talk about that because I've seen all of those and then Mike Judge's new show premieres the same night, Silicon Valley. -Okay, we could talk about that because I've seen all of those and then Mike Judge's new show premieres the same night, Silicon Valley. -I'm so excited about that show. -I'm so excited about that show. I want people to watch it I want people to watch it though it doesn't get-- though it doesn't get-- -Have you seen any of it? -Have you seen any of it? -I haven't yet. -I haven't yet. -Okay. -Okay. Little tidbit, Andy Daly is in an episode of that. Little tidbit, Andy Daly is in an episode of that. -Okay. -Okay. -I saw that. -I saw that. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -So, that's pretty cool too. -So, that's pretty cool too. All right. All right. So, beyond like the premium cable stuff, what else you like writing about because I wanna hear like what it is you do everyday? So, beyond like the premium cable stuff, what else you like writing about because I wanna hear like what it is you do everyday? -I recently wrote about Down Abbey. -I recently wrote about Down Abbey. -Okay. -Okay. -I recently wrote about Scandal. -I recently wrote about Scandal. -Yeah. -Yeah. So, you love to hate Scandal. So, you love to hate Scandal. That is what-- That is what-- -I do. -I do. Anything with Down Abbey, Anything with Down Abbey, -Yeah. -Yeah. -and sort of Supernatural. -and sort of Supernatural. I love to hate a lot of things. I love to hate a lot of things. -Yeah. -Yeah. No, of course, it feels good doing that. No, of course, it feels good doing that. -Yeah. -Yeah. -What you think it is about like a lot of shows that you know, it seems like no show can ever find the sweet spot. -What you think it is about like a lot of shows that you know, it seems like no show can ever find the sweet spot. Maybe safer like breaking bed where it's like God, they always-- they did two seasons too many. Maybe safer like breaking bed where it's like God, they always-- they did two seasons too many. Like how do you feel about stuff like that? Like how do you feel about stuff like that? Like for me, I don't know if you watch Sons of Anarchy. Like for me, I don't know if you watch Sons of Anarchy. No? No? You don't? You don't? -I watched the first -I watched the first two and a half seasons. two and a half seasons. -Okay. -Okay. That's not enough but for me it's like I think the show should have ended by now, and it's about to enter like its 7th or 8 season. That's not enough but for me it's like I think the show should have ended by now, and it's about to enter like its 7th or 8 season. I think it should be over. I think it should be over. How do you feel about stuff like that? How do you feel about stuff like that? -That's my issue with like a lot of these shows is they clearly had a plan in the beginning, -That's my issue with like a lot of these shows is they clearly had a plan in the beginning, -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Right. -Right. -and then once they lived on past what they had thought out in advance, -and then once they lived on past what they had thought out in advance, -Yeah. -Yeah. -it's sort struggling and it makes me really sad. -it's sort struggling and it makes me really sad. -Yeah. -Yeah. Like-- Like-- -It's like I want them to succeed -It's like I want them to succeed -Right. -Right. -but it's just sort of like -but it's just sort of like throwing everything they have at the wall and seeing what's next. throwing everything they have at the wall and seeing what's next. -Right. -Right. They kind of you know, they get to a point where they're like kind of playing with House Money where it's like man, we didn't expect the show to do so well or whatever it is. They kind of you know, they get to a point where they're like kind of playing with House Money where it's like man, we didn't expect the show to do so well or whatever it is. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And now the show is doing great and people want more seasons but we kind of you know, run our course and we just have to you know, make it work at the end. -And now the show is doing great and people want more seasons but we kind of you know, run our course and we just have to you know, make it work at the end. -Yeah, it's the exact issue with Scandal is they had a 7-episode for a season, -Yeah, it's the exact issue with Scandal is they had a 7-episode for a season, -Yeah. -Yeah. -which was perfect. -which was perfect. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I marathon that over the summer -I marathon that over the summer -Right. -Right. -and -and couldn't stop when you get to the second season and they had I think 13 episodes ordered. couldn't stop when you get to the second season and they had I think 13 episodes ordered. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Another great 13 episodes they get the back 9. -Another great 13 episodes they get the back 9. All of a sudden things got a little wonky. All of a sudden things got a little wonky. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Then season 3 comes and it's completely not related to reality anymore. -Then season 3 comes and it's completely not related to reality anymore. It's the whole terrorist level conspiracy theory. It's the whole terrorist level conspiracy theory. -Oh, it's a shame it says. -Oh, it's a shame it says. -Yes. -Yes. -I know and like, I want Josh Malina to only be in good things and to be like the most successful actor in -I know and like, I want Josh Malina to only be in good things and to be like the most successful actor in the world. the world. -You're protecting him. -You're protecting him. -Yes. -Yes. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And so he should just him and Bellamy Young either on spinoff. -And so he should just him and Bellamy Young either on spinoff. -Okay. -Okay. -Because their characters are my favorites and they're butchering them. -Because their characters are my favorites and they're butchering them. -It happens. -It happens. It's the casualty of war. It's the casualty of war. -I still watch every week because I have face that they can turn it around. -I still watch every week because I have face that they can turn it around. -Right. -Right. Like somehow they'll just magically figure it out. Like somehow they'll just magically figure it out. -Yes. -Yes. -It happened with the American Horror Story, season 3 was terrible. -It happened with the American Horror Story, season 3 was terrible. -Okay. -Okay. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I mean, first season I thought was okay, second season I love. -I mean, first season I thought was okay, second season I love. -Second season was perfect. -Second season was perfect. -Second season was epic. -Second season was epic. one of my favorite seasons of any show ever. one of my favorite seasons of any show ever. And third season that finished a few months ago just maybe wanna kill somebody. And third season that finished a few months ago just maybe wanna kill somebody. That's how bad it was. That's how bad it was. That's how God-awful it was. That's how God-awful it was. -Do you watch Walking Dead? -Do you watch Walking Dead? -I quit that one as well. -I quit that one as well. -Nice. -Nice. -I quit that. -I quit that. -Do you wanna know why I quit it? -Do you wanna know why I quit it? -Why? -Why? -Because it sucks. -Because it sucks. -Yes. -Yes. It does suck. It does suck. -That's why. -That's why. -I'm gonna agree with you there too. -I'm gonna agree with you there too. I keep watching it but it's just good enough to not turn off and that's a terrible reason for any television show. I keep watching it but it's just good enough to not turn off and that's a terrible reason for any television show. -And there's no way to watch TV. -And there's no way to watch TV. -I know. -I know. You know what it is? You know what it is? I think it's just because there's I think it's just because there's not a lot of zombie based television shows on the air right now. not a lot of zombie based television shows on the air right now. -Right. -Right. -There are a lot actually in Newark. -There are a lot actually in Newark. -Really? -Really? Oh, that. Oh, that. -Well, The Returned is the Sundance show. -Well, The Returned is the Sundance show. There's been one season out already and it's kind of zombie based. There's been one season out already and it's kind of zombie based. -Okay. -Okay. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. -And then Resurrection is coming out soon. -And then Resurrection is coming out soon. -Oh, God. -Oh, God. -Is that a zombie movie-- I thought-- -Is that a zombie movie-- I thought-- -It's-- The Returned analyst it's like people just wake up -It's-- The Returned analyst it's like people just wake up -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -and have no idea they even died. -and have no idea they even died. -Right. -Right. -Okay, yeah. -Okay, yeah. -And so you're not really sure, -And so you're not really sure, -Right. -Right. -but then CW ordered-- -but then CW ordered-- -But they're not like eating people's flesh or anything like that? -But they're not like eating people's flesh or anything like that? At least not in the trailers yet. At least not in the trailers yet. -There's one moment in The Returned where this guy's flesh starts to rot and he like pulls off a piece. -There's one moment in The Returned where this guy's flesh starts to rot and he like pulls off a piece. -He just like nibbled it. -He just like nibbled it. -And he doesn't know what to do with it. -And he doesn't know what to do with it. No, because he was like he needs to hide it, so he eats it. No, because he was like he needs to hide it, so he eats it. -Oh. -Oh. -So great though. -So great though. -Good family program then. -Good family program then. -Yeah. -Yeah. -It's amazing like what happens in terms of like trends with television. -It's amazing like what happens in terms of like trends with television. It's like now we're gonna have to deal with the zombie thing for a long time. It's like now we're gonna have to deal with the zombie thing for a long time. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Until it runs its course. -Until it runs its course. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Like we had a deal with the vampire thing. -Like we had a deal with the vampire thing. -Don't say it's a deal with the vampires. -Don't say it's a deal with the vampires. Vampires are God's gift to us all. Vampires are God's gift to us all. -No, they are monsters. -No, they are monsters. -Again, generation gap. -Again, generation gap. -Yeah because your-- number one, it says here you're wrong about that. -Yeah because your-- number one, it says here you're wrong about that. Okay? Okay? Number two, True Blood, oh, what a terrible program. Number two, True Blood, oh, what a terrible program. -Have you tried watching that though? -Have you tried watching that though? -True Blood? -True Blood? I watched the first four seasons. I watched the first four seasons. -[unk] on it but I've never watched it. -[unk] on it but I've never watched it. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. -The first four seasons and then how many times you just hear like I'd be like, okay and just-- it's just so silly. -The first four seasons and then how many times you just hear like I'd be like, okay and just-- it's just so silly. -But that's not a problem with the vampires. -But that's not a problem with the vampires. That's the problem with the show like That's the problem with the show like living too long and not knowing what to do anymore. living too long and not knowing what to do anymore. -The presentation. -The presentation. Exactly, you are right. Exactly, you are right. You're right. You're right. -Vampires are great. -Vampires are great. -I guess. -I guess. -Buffy the Vampire Slayer, that's been around for a long time. -Buffy the Vampire Slayer, that's been around for a long time. It's not a new phenomenon I guess. It's not a new phenomenon I guess. -It's a classic. -It's a classic. -I like the fact that like there's rules in these worlds that they live and like I just hate when a show sets rules up and then just breaks them. -I like the fact that like there's rules in these worlds that they live and like I just hate when a show sets rules up and then just breaks them. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Yes. -Yes. -To me that pisses me off and a lot of those vampirical shows do that just because that's like the fun thing to do and that's like great plot twist, like breaking my own rules. -To me that pisses me off and a lot of those vampirical shows do that just because that's like the fun thing to do and that's like great plot twist, like breaking my own rules. -But isn't that just-- once again an issue with all shows? -But isn't that just-- once again an issue with all shows? -The individual -The individual show, yes, you're right. show, yes, you're right. You are right. You are right. -What do you think is the next thing after vampires? -What do you think is the next thing after vampires? We had like vampires, zombies, what's next? We had like vampires, zombies, what's next? -Oh, it's clearly like rebooting spinoff right now. -Oh, it's clearly like rebooting spinoff right now. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Everyone's just cannibalizing what's successful at the moment. -Everyone's just cannibalizing what's successful at the moment. -Right. -Right. -Right. -Right. Bummer. Bummer. Bummer city. Bummer city. -Yeah. -Yeah. -All right. -All right. Think for a second. Think for a second. I want you to think, I'll go to my-- I want you to tell us two shows on right now that people should be watching. I want you to think, I'll go to my-- I want you to tell us two shows on right now that people should be watching. Okay? Okay? Can you think of those? Can you think of those? Hold on to those. Hold on to those. Do you have any? Do you have any? I'm gonna read mine that I have. I'm gonna read mine that I have. -I mean one of mine would definitely be True Detective. -I mean one of mine would definitely be True Detective. -Yes. -Yes. -Okay. -Okay. -I'll think -I'll think of the other one. of the other one. What's yours? What's yours? -So, I'm more of like a comedy guy, like I love to laugh, like when I get home from work, I just wanna laugh. -So, I'm more of like a comedy guy, like I love to laugh, like when I get home from work, I just wanna laugh. I don't wanna be bothered. I don't wanna be bothered. That's why I love 30 Rock so much. That's why I love 30 Rock so much. I think 30 Rock was like the greatest show in the last couple of years. I think 30 Rock was like the greatest show in the last couple of years. -Yeah. -Yeah. And you can keep watching that. And you can keep watching that. -You can because they're kind of like family guy and I think that they're so scatterbrained in all over the place that it's tough to remember like which episode is what. -You can because they're kind of like family guy and I think that they're so scatterbrained in all over the place that it's tough to remember like which episode is what. But you're gonna say something? But you're gonna say something? -Yeah, I'm gonna say that let's make an addendum to that challenge -Yeah, I'm gonna say that let's make an addendum to that challenge because now that you can watch any television show anytime you want, because now that you can watch any television show anytime you want, -Sure. -Sure. -how about like any show from like the beginning of television? -how about like any show from like the beginning of television? -Sure, yeah. -Sure, yeah. That works. That works. -That's easy. -That's easy. -I can just-- I mean, yeah. -I can just-- I mean, yeah. -That's easy. -That's easy. -That's an easier question. -That's an easier question. -I mean, like obviously at Sopranos, at Sons of Anarchy for me. -I mean, like obviously at Sopranos, at Sons of Anarchy for me. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Veronica Mars. -Veronica Mars. -We're gonna get to that in a second. -We're gonna get to that in a second. -Oh. -Oh. -Okay. -Okay. So, now we talked about her unhealthy obsession with-- So, now we talked about her unhealthy obsession with-- -Yeah. -Yeah. -you know, famous crazy people. -you know, famous crazy people. Now, we're getting into the part where Saddie has an unhealthy obsession with Veronica Now, we're getting into the part where Saddie has an unhealthy obsession with Veronica Mars. Mars. -Which is just as valid as having an unhealthy obsession with Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad and the Sopranos. -Which is just as valid as having an unhealthy obsession with Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad and the Sopranos. -Yes, that's true. -Yes, that's true. That's true. That's true. -I think so. -I think so. -Because it is as quality as those shows. -Because it is as quality as those shows. -Wow. -Wow. Are we sure that's how we wanna categorize-- Are we sure that's how we wanna categorize-- -I am positive. -I am positive. I will stand by that opinion. I will stand by that opinion. -Veronica Mars. -Veronica Mars. This is also someone, the first time I met her told me like Honey Boo Boo's show that like everyone should really watch and appreciate. This is also someone, the first time I met her told me like Honey Boo Boo's show that like everyone should really watch and appreciate. -No, I did not say that. -No, I did not say that. I said that Honey Boo Boo had benefits like it was nice to see a girl with an unconventional body type I said that Honey Boo Boo had benefits like it was nice to see a girl with an unconventional body type have confidence. have confidence. -Wow. -Wow. That is-- that's a great feminist and-- That is-- that's a great feminist and-- -That's feminist it's like-- but no, like I hear what you're saying but there's positive benefits to smoking cigarettes too. -That's feminist it's like-- but no, like I hear what you're saying but there's positive benefits to smoking cigarettes too. Like you know, it helps your digestive system, like-- Like you know, it helps your digestive system, like-- -I think people-- I think people's issue with Honey Boo Boo is sort of like taking upper middle class values -I think people-- I think people's issue with Honey Boo Boo is sort of like taking upper middle class values -Yeah. -Yeah. -and trying to impose them on other people, -and trying to impose them on other people, -Right. -Right. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -and playing it like if they don't live up to our standards they're wrong and they're trash. -and playing it like if they don't live up to our standards they're wrong and they're trash. -That is a good point. -That is a good point. -I understand-- and I appreciate -I understand-- and I appreciate that idea but it's still, you know, crazy people and no one should really-- I don't think perhaps strive to live their life though. that idea but it's still, you know, crazy people and no one should really-- I don't think perhaps strive to live their life though. It seems unhealthy. It seems unhealthy. -You watch The Real Housewives. -You watch The Real Housewives. How's that any different? How's that any different? -I do not watch that. -I do not watch that. -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. You-- You-- -That happens to be on in my house while I'm living there. -That happens to be on in my house while I'm living there. -You have a favorite housewife. -You have a favorite housewife. -So, I wanna talk about new-- who's my favorite housewife? -So, I wanna talk about new-- who's my favorite housewife? -You told me Lisa. -You told me Lisa. -All right, yeah, I said-- -All right, yeah, I said-- -I think Lisa is probably the hottest. -I think Lisa is probably the hottest. -She's pretty hot for an old lady. -She's pretty hot for an old lady. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I stand -I stand corrected. corrected. Still, but I don't think anyone should strive to live like those people either. Still, but I don't think anyone should strive to live like those people either. -No. -No. I'm not saying you should try to live like Honey Boo Boo. I'm not saying you should try to live like Honey Boo Boo. -They're not role models. -They're not role models. -What I'm saying, you shouldn't attack them for being like trailer trash. -What I'm saying, you shouldn't attack them for being like trailer trash. -I don't attack them. -I don't attack them. They do plenty of their own self-inflected damage. They do plenty of their own self-inflected damage. I don't need to touch that. I don't need to touch that. All right. All right. I wanna talk two shows that I really think are quality stuff. I wanna talk two shows that I really think are quality stuff. I've definitely talked about Broad City before. I've definitely talked about Broad City before. Have you seen Broad City? Have you seen Broad City? -I watched the pilot and nothing else. -I watched the pilot and nothing else. -And because you don't like it? -And because you don't like it? -I did like it but not enough to go out of my way to keep watching. -I did like it but not enough to go out of my way to keep watching. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -But I really enjoy it. -But I really enjoy it. -I think it's the funniest new show in like three years. -I think it's the funniest new show in like three years. I really do. I really do. I do. I do. You watch it, dude, we'll go watch the season. You watch it, dude, we'll go watch the season. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Okay. -Okay. -I kind of think of a show-- -I kind of think of a show-- -Think of a funnier show in the last three years. -Think of a funnier show in the last three years. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Obviously everyone should watch Archer, I think that's one-- that's the funniest cartoon on television. -Obviously everyone should watch Archer, I think that's one-- that's the funniest cartoon on television. -Right. -Right. -You don't like cartoons, woman over this, right? -You don't like cartoons, woman over this, right? And Portlandia. And Portlandia. Like Portlandia does not get enough credit as far as I'm concerned. Like Portlandia does not get enough credit as far as I'm concerned. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -That is a hilarious show. -That is a hilarious show. -Well, maybe it's sort of on and off for me. -Well, maybe it's sort of on and off for me. -No. -No. -Some skits are funny, other ones -Some skits are funny, other ones are just like, man, they need to end this sooner. are just like, man, they need to end this sooner. -I feel the same. -I feel the same. -I don't-- look, that's how I feel. -I don't-- look, that's how I feel. -Okay. -Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. -This is an opinion piece. -This is an opinion piece. -All right. -All right. -No, we're not gonna argue with you. -No, we're not gonna argue with you. -And I don't have any like archive stuff that people should watch. -And I don't have any like archive stuff that people should watch. -Okay. -Okay. -But feel free to suggest a few before we move on. -But feel free to suggest a few before we move on. -Orange is the New Black. -Orange is the New Black. -Okay. -Okay. -I think it's the show everyone should watch. -I think it's the show everyone should watch. -Pretty good stuff. -Pretty good stuff. Pretty good stuff. Pretty good stuff. I'll do that. I'll do that. -How many seasons are they planning of that, do you know? -How many seasons are they planning of that, do you know? -Right now there's just-- -Right now there's just-- -Because they have the second. -Because they have the second. -the second one coming out in June. -the second one coming out in June. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And I'm assuming there's gonna be a third. -And I'm assuming there's gonna be a third. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -I hope it never ends. -I hope it never ends. -Yeah. -Yeah. Okay. Okay. What else? What else? -Game of Thrones obviously. -Game of Thrones obviously. -Agree. -Agree. -For sure. -For sure. -RuPaul's Drag Race is-- -RuPaul's Drag Race is-- -Really? -Really? Is that still going on right now? Is that still going on right now? -Yes, it is. -Yes, it is. It is the only like appointment television besides True Detective that I have right now. It is the only like appointment television besides True Detective that I have right now. -Wow. -Wow. -It's when the credibility just falls down the journey. -It's when the credibility just falls down the journey. -Because you have my case in the line with yours doesn't mean they're not credible. -Because you have my case in the line with yours doesn't mean they're not credible. -No, I know. -No, I know. I just didn't even know that was a show. I just didn't even know that was a show. -It's amazing. -It's amazing. -All right. -All right. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna add it to the queue. I'm gonna add it to the queue. -Yes, you've heard of it. -Yes, you've heard of it. -I definitely heard of it. -I definitely heard of it. They have that web app where They have that web app where you can make yourself into a woman online. you can make yourself into a woman online. -Yeah, you can make yourself a good drag queen. -Yeah, you can make yourself a good drag queen. -That was years ago though. -That was years ago though. -Oh, you don't need an app for that. -Oh, you don't need an app for that. -I can't-- that show must have been on the air for what, like four years now? -I can't-- that show must have been on the air for what, like four years now? -It's season 6. -It's season 6. -Wow, it's crazy. -Wow, it's crazy. I can't believe it lasted long. I can't believe it lasted long. It must be good. It must be good. -Good for that. -Good for that. -How could-- -How could-- -What's it on? -What's it on? Which channel is it on? Which channel is it on? -It's on Logo Monday nights. -It's on Logo Monday nights. Everyone should check it out. Everyone should check it out. It's fabulous. It's fabulous. -Is VH1 still a channel? -Is VH1 still a channel? -Yes. -Yes. -What do they do in? -What do they do in? -Web only I think. -Web only I think. -What happen to VH1? -What happen to VH1? I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know what channel it is. I don't even know what channel it is. -They have shows. -They have shows. -I feel like VH1 started or not started -I feel like VH1 started or not started but had a big hand in the Reality TV Rennaisance. but had a big hand in the Reality TV Rennaisance. -Oh, it-- -Oh, it-- -With the-- -With the-- -[unk] created it like-- -[unk] created it like-- -Yeah, with you know, what's this face? -Yeah, with you know, what's this face? -Flavor Flav. -Flavor Flav. -Flavor Flav and -Flavor Flav and -Yeah. -Yeah. -you know, the-- -you know, the-- -And they were doing like the best week ever stuff too and rap like little '90s. -And they were doing like the best week ever stuff too and rap like little '90s. -And it's the real life. -And it's the real life. -Yeah. -Yeah. What happened? What happened? -I don't know. -I don't know. They're gone. They're gone. -For VH1. -For VH1. -I don't know. -I don't know. Charm School ended and couldn't go back to there. Charm School ended and couldn't go back to there. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Do you watch Killer Karaoke? -Do you watch Killer Karaoke? I think that would be-- I'll put my-- Killer Karaoke. I think that would be-- I'll put my-- Killer Karaoke. -She knows every show. -She knows every show. -I have seen online clips -I have seen online clips but-- but-- -It's the best show on television right now besides My Strange Addiction. -It's the best show on television right now besides My Strange Addiction. -What channel is it? -What channel is it? What channel-- oh, my God, My Strange Addiction. What channel-- oh, my God, My Strange Addiction. -Dude, I think My Strange Addiction is fake. -Dude, I think My Strange Addiction is fake. -I don't care if it's fake. -I don't care if it's fake. House Hunters is fake. House Hunters is fake. -Yes. -Yes. -I still watch marathons of it. -I still watch marathons of it. -Oh, no. -Oh, no. All right. All right. -Extreme Cheapskates, do you watch that too? -Extreme Cheapskates, do you watch that too? -No. -No. That makes me kind of sad. That makes me kind of sad. -What about the coupon weird-- the coupon weird just freaks me out a little bit. -What about the coupon weird-- the coupon weird just freaks me out a little bit. -Yes, that's what you're talking about. -Yes, that's what you're talking about. -Yeah, yeah. -Yeah, yeah. -Same with Hoarders, I can't watch. -Same with Hoarders, I can't watch. -Oh, Hoarders is scary but I heard a lot of that is fake too. -Oh, Hoarders is scary but I heard a lot of that is fake too. -I don't know. -I don't know. If Hoarders is fake, they have the best production designer in the history of television. If Hoarders is fake, they have the best production designer in the history of television. -Yeah, boxes. -Yeah, boxes. -Yeah, like-- I don't know. -Yeah, like-- I don't know. They-- They-- -Oh, that woman who had like 100 -Oh, that woman who had like 100 dead cats in her fridge. dead cats in her fridge. -Yeah. -Yeah. -That's what I'm afraid I'm gonna turn into. -That's what I'm afraid I'm gonna turn into. -Well, how many cats you have now? -Well, how many cats you have now? -I have one but growing up I had six at a time. -I have one but growing up I had six at a time. -Okay. -Okay. You're on the right track. You're on the right track. Jeff's backing away slowly. Jeff's backing away slowly. That's okay. That's okay. We're cat lovers here. We're cat lovers here. -Yes. -Yes. -Speak for yourself. -Speak for yourself. -But no, Killer Karaoke, have you seen it? -But no, Killer Karaoke, have you seen it? -No. -No. What is it? What is it? -It's on truTV I think. -It's on truTV I think. But basically, it's a karaoke competition show hosted by Steve-O and Mark McGrath. But basically, it's a karaoke competition show hosted by Steve-O and Mark McGrath. Like the best most unlikely friendship ever. Like the best most unlikely friendship ever. -Duo. -Duo. Wow. Wow. What a duo. What a duo. -And they basically -And they basically have contestants singing into a microphone karaoke style. have contestants singing into a microphone karaoke style. -Yeah, I get that. -Yeah, I get that. -While they're torturing them with like pranks and like for example, -While they're torturing them with like pranks and like for example, -Shut up. -Shut up. -one of the best one was they lowered the girl into a pit of snakes. -one of the best one was they lowered the girl into a pit of snakes. I bet your coworker would love that. I bet your coworker would love that. -Oh. -Oh. -And you know, she has to sing and if you stop singing and start screaming then you lose the game. -And you know, she has to sing and if you stop singing and start screaming then you lose the game. That is all. That is all. That's the whole point of the entire show. That's the whole point of the entire show. -It's pretty much like my nightmare playing out. -It's pretty much like my nightmare playing out. -It's so good. -It's so good. -It's great. -It's great. It's a simple concept though but it seems powerful. It's a simple concept though but it seems powerful. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I'm into it. -I'm into it. I'll check that out. I'll check that out. -It's great. -It's great. -All right. -All right. truTV, let me write that down. truTV, let me write that down. All right. All right. -Oh, and Freaks and Geeks, that would be my legacy show. -Oh, and Freaks and Geeks, that would be my legacy show. -Oh, yes, great call. -Oh, yes, great call. -I think that's my favorite show of all time. -I think that's my favorite show of all time. -That's a great call. -That's a great call. -And I think Bill is gonna be in that new show, right? -And I think Bill is gonna be in that new show, right? -Martin Starr, yeah. -Martin Starr, yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -He's in Silicon Valley. -He's in Silicon Valley. -Okay. -Okay. I'm gonna watch that for him. I'm gonna watch that for him. -Man, all-- that whole crew round up to be like, you know, the crème and crepe for sure. -Man, all-- that whole crew round up to be like, you know, the crème and crepe for sure. -Really good. -Really good. -I love it. -I love it. -Except for Sam, what's he doing? -Except for Sam, what's he doing? -He's on Bones I believe. -He's on Bones I believe. -Oh, really? -Oh, really? -What's he's real name? -What's he's real name? -I hope that's right. -I hope that's right. -Bones. -Bones. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. -I know Bones but the dude's name I don't know. -I know Bones but the dude's name I don't know. -Oh, he has the internet. -Oh, he has the internet. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Oh, you have the -Oh, you have the internet internet -What's up, everybody? -What's up, everybody? It's Friday, March 7th, 2014. It's Friday, March 7th, 2014. This is The 404 Show on CNET. This is The 404 Show on CNET. I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Justin Yu. -Ariel is back there. -Ariel is back there. Wave hi, Ariel. Wave hi, Ariel. Hi. Hi. He doesn't have a microphone, but that's okay because today, joining us for the first time ever, it's a very big deal, Saddie Gennis from TV Guide is in the studio. He doesn't have a microphone, but that's okay because today, joining us for the first time ever, it's a very big deal, Saddie Gennis from TV Guide is in the studio. Around of applause for Saddie Around of applause for Saddie Gennis. Gennis. Please let's give her a nice, warm 404 welcome. Please let's give her a nice, warm 404 welcome. What's up, Saddie? What's up, Saddie? -Not a lot. -Not a lot. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -How's it going? -How's it going? -Well, a little nervous. -Well, a little nervous. -So, I feel terrible because Saddie claimed she's nervous and I don't know, everytime we've interacted you seem pretty laid back and calm and collected. -So, I feel terrible because Saddie claimed she's nervous and I don't know, everytime we've interacted you seem pretty laid back and calm and collected. So, why the nerves? So, why the nerves? -Have you ever seen that 30 Rock episode where Jack films a commercial? -Have you ever seen that 30 Rock episode where Jack films a commercial? -Yes. -Yes. -That is why. -That is why. I don't know what to do with my I don't know what to do with my hands. hands. -That is all like is this how you walk? -That is all like is this how you walk? Yeah. Yeah. -Yeah, it's like give me two mugs-- -Yeah, it's like give me two mugs-- -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. -Totally fine. -Totally fine. -Right on. -Right on. Well, don't be nervous. Well, don't be nervous. This is the show that's designed to make people feel comfortable when they're on. This is the show that's designed to make people feel comfortable when they're on. So, you promise from here on now. So, you promise from here on now. -I'm feeling pretty good. -I'm feeling pretty good. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I'm surprised that you've never done a media appearance before because you're the staff editor at TV Guide but you've never been on TV before. -I'm surprised that you've never done a media appearance before because you're the staff editor at TV Guide but you've never been on TV before. Is this your first time? Is this your first time? -Yes. -Yes. -You've been on like, you've done junkets, right? -You've been on like, you've done junkets, right? -No. -No. -I don't know. -I don't know. -What's junket? -What's junket? -You know what a junket is. -You know what a junket is. -No. -No. I have no idea. I have no idea. I've heard that before but I don't know what it is. I've heard that before but I don't know what it is. -Junket is like when they do like movie tours and they bring like journalist into this room and keep interviewing like that. -Junket is like when they do like movie tours and they bring like journalist into this room and keep interviewing like that. -Oh, yeah, they have like some movie poster behind, -Oh, yeah, they have like some movie poster behind, -Yeah. -Yeah. -it's kinda like what we do on the Last FM's stage. -it's kinda like what we do on the Last FM's stage. -Right, right. -Right, right. Exactly. Exactly. -Yeah that makes sense. -Yeah that makes sense. -Yeah, junkets. -Yeah, junkets. All right. All right. Well, thank you for being here. Well, thank you for being here. The pleasure is all ours. The pleasure is all ours. Tell us what you do over TV Guide and why it's the best show in the world. Tell us what you do over TV Guide and why it's the best show in the world. -Well, I watch a lot of TV. -Well, I watch a lot of TV. So, number one reason it's the best job ever. So, number one reason it's the best job ever. -Right. -Right. -And then I do a lot of features -And then I do a lot of features where I get on soap boxes and rant about things and shows that upset me or that I like love, but mainly things that make me angry. where I get on soap boxes and rant about things and shows that upset me or that I like love, but mainly things that make me angry. -So, a lot of things make you angry. -So, a lot of things make you angry. -Yeah. -Yeah. -You're a very opinionated. -You're a very opinionated. I've read some of your stuff. I've read some of your stuff. You're also very strangely obsessed with weird things that I can't quite wrap my head around. You're also very strangely obsessed with weird things that I can't quite wrap my head around. Perhaps it's a generational gap. Perhaps it's a generational gap. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. But there's a lot of stuff like for instance-- and so you're obsessed with TV, we know this. But there's a lot of stuff like for instance-- and so you're obsessed with TV, we know this. You have a lot You have a lot of very rigid and radical opinion, sure we'll call them radical opinions. of very rigid and radical opinion, sure we'll call them radical opinions. -All right. -All right. -But you're also like kind of obsessed with like train wreck celebrities. -But you're also like kind of obsessed with like train wreck celebrities. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Can you kind of give us a little background on that? -Can you kind of give us a little background on that? Because I myself love watching the demise of famous people. Because I myself love watching the demise of famous people. I think there's a certain like rubbernecking, like you know, satisfaction I get from that. I think there's a certain like rubbernecking, like you know, satisfaction I get from that. But what's your story? But what's your story? -I don't like it for the whole like schadenfreude aspect. -I don't like it for the whole like schadenfreude aspect. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I don't know if that's pronounced right. -I don't know if that's pronounced right. -I think you're in the Ballpark. -I think you're in the Ballpark. -Something -Something like that. like that. -Yeah. -Yeah. -It's-- I don't-- I can't stand Beyonce. -It's-- I don't-- I can't stand Beyonce. -Really? -Really? -That's what-- -That's what-- -Wow. -Wow. -That-- I think this is where it comes from. -That-- I think this is where it comes from. Beyonce is so perfect. Beyonce is so perfect. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I can't relate to her at all. -I can't relate to her at all. -Sure. -Sure. -Whereas people like Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears they mess up so much that it's like, -Whereas people like Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears they mess up so much that it's like, -Yeah. -Yeah. -I know they're not doing that on purpose. -I know they're not doing that on purpose. -They're more human. -They're more human. -Not like a façade so they're more human. -Not like a façade so they're more human. -Interesting. -Interesting. -And I want them to succeed. -And I want them to succeed. -Right. -Right. Beyonce is [unk]. Beyonce is [unk]. -That's an interesting point. -That's an interesting point. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And-- so, but don't you think a lot of that says -And-- so, but don't you think a lot of that says a lot about that type of person's character though? a lot about that type of person's character though? Like clearly Beyonce is not a perfect person. Like clearly Beyonce is not a perfect person. I'm sure she's like-- I'm sure she's like-- -She's a robot. -She's a robot. -She is sort of a robot but I feel like, you know, she's not the perfect person but we just don't see her trip or we don't see her do like, you know, have these meltdowns which I'm sure she has. -She is sort of a robot but I feel like, you know, she's not the perfect person but we just don't see her trip or we don't see her do like, you know, have these meltdowns which I'm sure she has. She's-- you know, they just gotta have flaws. She's-- you know, they just gotta have flaws. So, what do-- I mean, so why is it that like we don't see her meltdown in public but like So, what do-- I mean, so why is it that like we don't see her meltdown in public but like Britney Spears, you know, she shaves her head or Lindsay Lohan, she's always doing crack and she's in jail or whatever, you know, she's driving cars into people and things, like what's up with that? Britney Spears, you know, she shaves her head or Lindsay Lohan, she's always doing crack and she's in jail or whatever, you know, she's driving cars into people and things, like what's up with that? -Like Lindsay has a serious addiction as you know. -Like Lindsay has a serious addiction as you know. -Okay. -Okay. -And so that's why she is, you know, huge fucked up. -And so that's why she is, you know, huge fucked up. -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. -I just-- she's also really charismatic. -I just-- she's also really charismatic. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And like she was on Fallon last night and she was so funny. -And like she was on Fallon last night and she was so funny. -Really? -Really? -And I was really also proud of her. -And I was really also proud of her. Like I'm on my hand. Like I'm on my hand. -Oh, God. -Oh, God. -Do you like-- do you -Do you like-- do you like watching them fall better or do you like watching them get back up then? like watching them fall better or do you like watching them get back up then? -Oh, I love watching them. -Oh, I love watching them. -With Lindsay Lohan, you get the entire thing. -With Lindsay Lohan, you get the entire thing. -Yeah, you get everything that's for sure. -Yeah, you get everything that's for sure. -It's like your whole timeline. -It's like your whole timeline. -Yeah. -Yeah. -But which one do you like the best? -But which one do you like the best? -I love watching them succeed. -I love watching them succeed. Like I just was in Vegas two weeks ago to see Britney's show, Like I just was in Vegas two weeks ago to see Britney's show, -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -and her dancing was not was it used to be but she was trying so hard and anytime she would do like a slightly tricky move like a dip. -and her dancing was not was it used to be but she was trying so hard and anytime she would do like a slightly tricky move like a dip. -Yeah. -Yeah. -The whole crowd would like drop and applause. -The whole crowd would like drop and applause. -Yeah people want to see that. -Yeah people want to see that. -Yeah, and it was nice. -Yeah, and it was nice. You have this community that's like really You have this community that's like really supportive of-- supportive of-- -Yeah. -Yeah. -a celebrity like her. -a celebrity like her. -Sure. -Sure. -Where it's normally we love taking them down but with Britney, all of her fans like they have good intentions for her and I enjoy that, and I enjoy being part of the Britney fan community. -Where it's normally we love taking them down but with Britney, all of her fans like they have good intentions for her and I enjoy that, and I enjoy being part of the Britney fan community. -Huh. -Huh. So, she's like rocking planet Hollywood now, right? So, she's like rocking planet Hollywood now, right? -She's killing it. -She's killing it. -She does have a show every night, right? -She does have a show every night, right? -Yeah-- no, I don't know if it's every night but most nights. -Yeah-- no, I don't know if it's every night but most nights. -Okay. -Okay. Yeah, because we were in Vegas in January and we saw all the coming attractions. Yeah, because we were in Vegas in January and we saw all the coming attractions. There was just like It's Britney, Bitch. There was just like It's Britney, Bitch. Like everywhere you're at. Like everywhere you're at. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And we're like cool. -And we're like cool. She's in Vegas. She's in Vegas. -How old is Britney? -How old is Britney? -She is early 30s. -She is early 30s. -Forty-three. -Forty-three. -Oh, wow. -Oh, wow. Okay, good for her. Okay, good for her. Good for her. Good for her. -So, she could be your mother. -So, she could be your mother. -No, not really. -No, not really. That would be stretching it but yeah. That would be stretching it but yeah. All right, very cool. All right, very cool. So, let's switch give us a little more like TV stuff. So, let's switch give us a little more like TV stuff. What's popular right now on the site which shows you into without ruining stuff for me? What's popular right now on the site which shows you into without ruining stuff for me? And you know, tell us like, you know, what you're covering lately? And you know, tell us like, you know, what you're covering lately? -Well, lately, -Well, lately, I do a lot of Supernatural coverage and I am obsessed True Detective at the moment. I do a lot of Supernatural coverage and I am obsessed True Detective at the moment. -Okay. -Okay. So, now wait, now wait. So, now wait, now wait. You-- I need to just put out a disclaimer there. You-- I need to just put out a disclaimer there. I haven't seen an episode. I haven't seen an episode. I need you guys to tread super lately because that is rude for you to do this on our show, that would be a rude thing to do. I need you guys to tread super lately because that is rude for you to do this on our show, that would be a rude thing to do. -It is rude to television and not to watch True Detective. -It is rude to television and not to watch True Detective. -I understand that but I still have-- the finale is this Sunday, right? -I understand that but I still have-- the finale is this Sunday, right? So, I So, I still have a few hours to binge watch the first 9 episodes. still have a few hours to binge watch the first 9 episodes. -Seven. -Seven. -Seven, even better. -Seven, even better. Right? Right? So-- So-- -It's really easy to get through them. -It's really easy to get through them. -I'm sure. -I'm sure. So, there is a bit of Supernatural stuff to this show? So, there is a bit of Supernatural stuff to this show? -No. -No. -Okay. -Okay. -I cover the show Supernatural and I'm obsessed with True Detective. -I cover the show Supernatural and I'm obsessed with True Detective. -Well, time out. -Well, time out. -Oh, I totally didn't get it. -Oh, I totally didn't get it. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I was like, oh it's a supernatural genre. -I was like, oh it's a supernatural genre. -Oh, my gosh, she must cover Vampire Diaries and stuff like that. -Oh, my gosh, she must cover Vampire Diaries and stuff like that. -People-- some people-- -People-- some people-- -Yeah, that's what I was thinking. -Yeah, that's what I was thinking. -Yeah. -Yeah. -No way. -No way. -There's a show called Supernatural? -There's a show called Supernatural? -Yes. -Yes. -What's it about? -What's it about? -Yeah, tell us about it. -Yeah, tell us about it. -Yeah, we're learning a lot today. -Yeah, we're learning a lot today. -It's about two brothers -It's about two brothers taking down demons. taking down demons. -That's it? -That's it? -Well, there's-- they went through this huge like mythological overhaul, -Well, there's-- they went through this huge like mythological overhaul, -Yeah. -Yeah. -like seven years ago. -like seven years ago. -Right. -Right. -And so now it's like a battle between heaven and hell. -And so now it's like a battle between heaven and hell. -Isn't that what Grimm is about? -Isn't that what Grimm is about? -I don't watch Grimm. -I don't watch Grimm. -Same damn thing. -Same damn thing. It's like two guys-- It's like two guys-- -Yeah. -Yeah. -that just battled demon. -that just battled demon. -And Saddie, you gotta finish-- -And Saddie, you gotta finish-- -No, but it's about the brothers' relationship. -No, but it's about the brothers' relationship. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Okay. -Okay. -And you know, it's actually there are a lot of parallels between that -And you know, it's actually there are a lot of parallels between that -Right. -Right. -and True Detective and a lot of senses. -and True Detective and a lot of senses. -True Detective is great because it has sort of like -True Detective is great because it has sort of like an occult. an occult. I'm not gonna spoil anything for you, don't raise those eyes at me. I'm not gonna spoil anything for you, don't raise those eyes at me. -Okay. -Okay. -It had this weird occult thing that you never really get-- you get really small bits and pieces of it. -It had this weird occult thing that you never really get-- you get really small bits and pieces of it. I think that show is really good about just teasing you. I think that show is really good about just teasing you. -Yeah. -Yeah. -But most of the show nothing really happens. -But most of the show nothing really happens. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And then like at the end like the last five minutes it will just explode. -And then like at the end like the last five minutes it will just explode. -Yeah, just like the finale like someone is gonna grow wings and fly away is what's gonna happen. -Yeah, just like the finale like someone is gonna grow wings and fly away is what's gonna happen. -I hope not. -I hope not. -Yeah. -Yeah. -There are all these people who are reading into every little details of the show, -There are all these people who are reading into every little details of the show, -Yeah. -Yeah. -and like acting as it would have this like Lost complex mythology. -and like acting as it would have this like Lost complex mythology. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And we all saw what happened with Lost. -And we all saw what happened with Lost. -Yeah. -Yeah. Everyone hated the ending of Lost. Everyone hated the ending of Lost. -[unk] killed Lost. -[unk] killed Lost. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And I think-- I mean, come on. -And I think-- I mean, come on. I wouldn't expect that kind of debauchery from something like HBO. I wouldn't expect that kind of debauchery from something like HBO. -Well, also they're not writing it as they go along too. -Well, also they're not writing it as they go along too. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I think they have a couple lost in that. -I think they have a couple lost in that. -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. -Also, I just don't really view True Detective. -Also, I just don't really view True Detective. I don't think the point of it is about solving the case. I don't think the point of it is about solving the case. I don't really care about who killed Dora Lange. I don't really care about who killed Dora Lange. -Okay. -Okay. Okay, that's fine. Okay, that's fine. -That's true. -That's true. -That's more about characters. -That's more about characters. -And the show doesn't act like it, -And the show doesn't act like it, -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. -like that's the focal point either. -like that's the focal point either. -Right. -Right. -Interesting. -Interesting. -I think it's sort of what -I think it's sort of what Lost wanted to be where like they gave us the character, emotional resolution in the end. Lost wanted to be where like they gave us the character, emotional resolution in the end. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -And that's all I wanted in True Detective. -And that's all I wanted in True Detective. -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -So, I mean, from what it sounds like and again, I've seen zero seconds of this program, but it sounds like the show really has its stuff together. -So, I mean, from what it sounds like and again, I've seen zero seconds of this program, but it sounds like the show really has its stuff together. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And that it's pretty much front to back, a work of art for sure, right? -And that it's pretty much front to back, a work of art for sure, right? -Yeah. -Yeah. -Am I accurate in saying that? -Am I accurate in saying that? So, the bar is high. So, the bar is high. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Let's see if it can meet my expectations. -Let's see if it can meet my expectations. -Yes. -Yes. -Worst name for a show ever. -Worst name for a show ever. -Why? -Why? -Can we all agree on that? -Can we all agree on that? -No. -No. -For some reason I hate that name. -For some reason I hate that name. -It's kind of bad. -It's kind of bad. -It reminds me too much of True Blood first of all, like that's number one thing. -It reminds me too much of True Blood first of all, like that's number one thing. -Oh, okay. -Oh, okay. You don't wanna associate yourself with that. You don't wanna associate yourself with that. -But it just-- yeah, it doesn't even make sense. -But it just-- yeah, it doesn't even make sense. Like they never reference anything about that in the show. Like they never reference anything about that in the show. -I keep rating all these like critiques of it online, where it's like it's not Rust or Marty who's the true detective, it's us. -I keep rating all these like critiques of it online, where it's like it's not Rust or Marty who's the true detective, it's us. -Oh, God. -Oh, God. -And I just can't stand that. -And I just can't stand that. -Perhaps you're looking too much into the program. -Perhaps you're looking too much into the program. -Give me a break. -Give me a break. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Or Rustin, yeah, have you met anybody else? -Or Rustin, yeah, have you met anybody else? That's what it's short for. That's what it's short for. -That's what his name is short for. -That's what his name is short for. -Yeah. -Yeah. Like in the Like in the second episode they refer to him like in his full name. second episode they refer to him like in his full name. So, they call him rust and that's Matthew McConaughey's character. So, they call him rust and that's Matthew McConaughey's character. Full name Rustin. Full name Rustin. -Yeah. -Yeah. I mean, they're from the south, right? I mean, they're from the south, right? Like that's-- could be a geographical name original name perhaps. Like that's-- could be a geographical name original name perhaps. -Yeah. -Yeah. It's weird. It's weird. -So, there's a lot of cool stuff on HBO coming up. -So, there's a lot of cool stuff on HBO coming up. Game of Thrones, April 6th. Game of Thrones, April 6th. -My favorite. -My favorite. -Okay, we could talk about that because I've seen all of those and then Mike Judge's new show premieres the same night, Silicon Valley. -Okay, we could talk about that because I've seen all of those and then Mike Judge's new show premieres the same night, Silicon Valley. -I'm so excited about that show. -I'm so excited about that show. I want people to watch it I want people to watch it though it doesn't get-- though it doesn't get-- -Have you seen any of it? -Have you seen any of it? -I haven't yet. -I haven't yet. -Okay. -Okay. Little tidbit, Andy Daly is in an episode of that. Little tidbit, Andy Daly is in an episode of that. -Okay. -Okay. -I saw that. -I saw that. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -So, that's pretty cool too. -So, that's pretty cool too. All right. All right. So, beyond like the premium cable stuff, what else you like writing about because I wanna hear like what it is you do everyday? So, beyond like the premium cable stuff, what else you like writing about because I wanna hear like what it is you do everyday? -I recently wrote about Down Abbey. -I recently wrote about Down Abbey. -Okay. -Okay. -I recently wrote about Scandal. -I recently wrote about Scandal. -Yeah. -Yeah. So, you love to hate Scandal. So, you love to hate Scandal. That is what-- That is what-- -I do. -I do. Anything with Down Abbey, Anything with Down Abbey, -Yeah. -Yeah. -and sort of Supernatural. -and sort of Supernatural. I love to hate a lot of things. I love to hate a lot of things. -Yeah. -Yeah. No, of course, it feels good doing that. No, of course, it feels good doing that. -Yeah. -Yeah. -What you think it is about like a lot of shows that you know, it seems like no show can ever find the sweet spot. -What you think it is about like a lot of shows that you know, it seems like no show can ever find the sweet spot. Maybe safer like breaking bed where it's like God, they always-- they did two seasons too many. Maybe safer like breaking bed where it's like God, they always-- they did two seasons too many. Like how do you feel about stuff like that? Like how do you feel about stuff like that? Like for me, I don't know if you watch Sons of Anarchy. Like for me, I don't know if you watch Sons of Anarchy. No? No? You don't? You don't? -I watched the first -I watched the first two and a half seasons. two and a half seasons. -Okay. -Okay. That's not enough but for me it's like I think the show should have ended by now, and it's about to enter like its 7th or 8 season. That's not enough but for me it's like I think the show should have ended by now, and it's about to enter like its 7th or 8 season. I think it should be over. I think it should be over. How do you feel about stuff like that? How do you feel about stuff like that? -That's my issue with like a lot of these shows is they clearly had a plan in the beginning, -That's my issue with like a lot of these shows is they clearly had a plan in the beginning, -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Right. -Right. -and then once they lived on past what they had thought out in advance, -and then once they lived on past what they had thought out in advance, -Yeah. -Yeah. -it's sort struggling and it makes me really sad. -it's sort struggling and it makes me really sad. -Yeah. -Yeah. Like-- Like-- -It's like I want them to succeed -It's like I want them to succeed -Right. -Right. -but it's just sort of like -but it's just sort of like throwing everything they have at the wall and seeing what's next. throwing everything they have at the wall and seeing what's next. -Right. -Right. They kind of you know, they get to a point where they're like kind of playing with House Money where it's like man, we didn't expect the show to do so well or whatever it is. They kind of you know, they get to a point where they're like kind of playing with House Money where it's like man, we didn't expect the show to do so well or whatever it is. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And now the show is doing great and people want more seasons but we kind of you know, run our course and we just have to you know, make it work at the end. -And now the show is doing great and people want more seasons but we kind of you know, run our course and we just have to you know, make it work at the end. -Yeah, it's the exact issue with Scandal is they had a 7-episode for a season, -Yeah, it's the exact issue with Scandal is they had a 7-episode for a season, -Yeah. -Yeah. -which was perfect. -which was perfect. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I marathon that over the summer -I marathon that over the summer -Right. -Right. -and -and couldn't stop when you get to the second season and they had I think 13 episodes ordered. couldn't stop when you get to the second season and they had I think 13 episodes ordered. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Another great 13 episodes they get the back 9. -Another great 13 episodes they get the back 9. All of a sudden things got a little wonky. All of a sudden things got a little wonky. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Then season 3 comes and it's completely not related to reality anymore. -Then season 3 comes and it's completely not related to reality anymore. It's the whole terrorist level conspiracy theory. It's the whole terrorist level conspiracy theory. -Oh, it's a shame it says. -Oh, it's a shame it says. -Yes. -Yes. -I know and like, I want Josh Malina to only be in good things and to be like the most successful actor in -I know and like, I want Josh Malina to only be in good things and to be like the most successful actor in the world. the world. -You're protecting him. -You're protecting him. -Yes. -Yes. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And so he should just him and Bellamy Young either on spinoff. -And so he should just him and Bellamy Young either on spinoff. -Okay. -Okay. -Because their characters are my favorites and they're butchering them. -Because their characters are my favorites and they're butchering them. -It happens. -It happens. It's the casualty of war. It's the casualty of war. -I still watch every week because I have face that they can turn it around. -I still watch every week because I have face that they can turn it around. -Right. -Right. Like somehow they'll just magically figure it out. Like somehow they'll just magically figure it out. -Yes. -Yes. -It happened with the American Horror Story, season 3 was terrible. -It happened with the American Horror Story, season 3 was terrible. -Okay. -Okay. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I mean, first season I thought was okay, second season I love. -I mean, first season I thought was okay, second season I love. -Second season was perfect. -Second season was perfect. -Second season was epic. -Second season was epic. one of my favorite seasons of any show ever. one of my favorite seasons of any show ever. And third season that finished a few months ago just maybe wanna kill somebody. And third season that finished a few months ago just maybe wanna kill somebody. That's how bad it was. That's how bad it was. That's how God-awful it was. That's how God-awful it was. -Do you watch Walking Dead? -Do you watch Walking Dead? -I quit that one as well. -I quit that one as well. -Nice. -Nice. -I quit that. -I quit that. -Do you wanna know why I quit it? -Do you wanna know why I quit it? -Why? -Why? -Because it sucks. -Because it sucks. -Yes. -Yes. It does suck. It does suck. -That's why. -That's why. -I'm gonna agree with you there too. -I'm gonna agree with you there too. I keep watching it but it's just good enough to not turn off and that's a terrible reason for any television show. I keep watching it but it's just good enough to not turn off and that's a terrible reason for any television show. -And there's no way to watch TV. -And there's no way to watch TV. -I know. -I know. You know what it is? You know what it is? I think it's just because there's I think it's just because there's not a lot of zombie based television shows on the air right now. not a lot of zombie based television shows on the air right now. -Right. -Right. -There are a lot actually in Newark. -There are a lot actually in Newark. -Really? -Really? Oh, that. Oh, that. -Well, The Returned is the Sundance show. -Well, The Returned is the Sundance show. There's been one season out already and it's kind of zombie based. There's been one season out already and it's kind of zombie based. -Okay. -Okay. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. -And then Resurrection is coming out soon. -And then Resurrection is coming out soon. -Oh, God. -Oh, God. -Is that a zombie movie-- I thought-- -Is that a zombie movie-- I thought-- -It's-- The Returned analyst it's like people just wake up -It's-- The Returned analyst it's like people just wake up -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -and have no idea they even died. -and have no idea they even died. -Right. -Right. -Okay, yeah. -Okay, yeah. -And so you're not really sure, -And so you're not really sure, -Right. -Right. -but then CW ordered-- -but then CW ordered-- -But they're not like eating people's flesh or anything like that? -But they're not like eating people's flesh or anything like that? At least not in the trailers yet. At least not in the trailers yet. -There's one moment in The Returned where this guy's flesh starts to rot and he like pulls off a piece. -There's one moment in The Returned where this guy's flesh starts to rot and he like pulls off a piece. -He just like nibbled it. -He just like nibbled it. -And he doesn't know what to do with it. -And he doesn't know what to do with it. No, because he was like he needs to hide it, so he eats it. No, because he was like he needs to hide it, so he eats it. -Oh. -Oh. -So great though. -So great though. -Good family program then. -Good family program then. -Yeah. -Yeah. -It's amazing like what happens in terms of like trends with television. -It's amazing like what happens in terms of like trends with television. It's like now we're gonna have to deal with the zombie thing for a long time. It's like now we're gonna have to deal with the zombie thing for a long time. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Until it runs its course. -Until it runs its course. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Like we had a deal with the vampire thing. -Like we had a deal with the vampire thing. -Don't say it's a deal with the vampires. -Don't say it's a deal with the vampires. Vampires are God's gift to us all. Vampires are God's gift to us all. -No, they are monsters. -No, they are monsters. -Again, generation gap. -Again, generation gap. -Yeah because your-- number one, it says here you're wrong about that. -Yeah because your-- number one, it says here you're wrong about that. Okay? Okay? Number two, True Blood, oh, what a terrible program. Number two, True Blood, oh, what a terrible program. -Have you tried watching that though? -Have you tried watching that though? -True Blood? -True Blood? I watched the first four seasons. I watched the first four seasons. -[unk] on it but I've never watched it. -[unk] on it but I've never watched it. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. -The first four seasons and then how many times you just hear like I'd be like, okay and just-- it's just so silly. -The first four seasons and then how many times you just hear like I'd be like, okay and just-- it's just so silly. -But that's not a problem with the vampires. -But that's not a problem with the vampires. That's the problem with the show like That's the problem with the show like living too long and not knowing what to do anymore. living too long and not knowing what to do anymore. -The presentation. -The presentation. Exactly, you are right. Exactly, you are right. You're right. You're right. -Vampires are great. -Vampires are great. -I guess. -I guess. -Buffy the Vampire Slayer, that's been around for a long time. -Buffy the Vampire Slayer, that's been around for a long time. It's not a new phenomenon I guess. It's not a new phenomenon I guess. -It's a classic. -It's a classic. -I like the fact that like there's rules in these worlds that they live and like I just hate when a show sets rules up and then just breaks them. -I like the fact that like there's rules in these worlds that they live and like I just hate when a show sets rules up and then just breaks them. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Yes. -Yes. -To me that pisses me off and a lot of those vampirical shows do that just because that's like the fun thing to do and that's like great plot twist, like breaking my own rules. -To me that pisses me off and a lot of those vampirical shows do that just because that's like the fun thing to do and that's like great plot twist, like breaking my own rules. -But isn't that just-- once again an issue with all shows? -But isn't that just-- once again an issue with all shows? -The individual -The individual show, yes, you're right. show, yes, you're right. You are right. You are right. -What do you think is the next thing after vampires? -What do you think is the next thing after vampires? We had like vampires, zombies, what's next? We had like vampires, zombies, what's next? -Oh, it's clearly like rebooting spinoff right now. -Oh, it's clearly like rebooting spinoff right now. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Everyone's just cannibalizing what's successful at the moment. -Everyone's just cannibalizing what's successful at the moment. -Right. -Right. -Right. -Right. Bummer. Bummer. Bummer city. Bummer city. -Yeah. -Yeah. -All right. -All right. Think for a second. Think for a second. I want you to think, I'll go to my-- I want you to tell us two shows on right now that people should be watching. I want you to think, I'll go to my-- I want you to tell us two shows on right now that people should be watching. Okay? Okay? Can you think of those? Can you think of those? Hold on to those. Hold on to those. Do you have any? Do you have any? I'm gonna read mine that I have. I'm gonna read mine that I have. -I mean one of mine would definitely be True Detective. -I mean one of mine would definitely be True Detective. -Yes. -Yes. -Okay. -Okay. -I'll think -I'll think of the other one. of the other one. What's yours? What's yours? -So, I'm more of like a comedy guy, like I love to laugh, like when I get home from work, I just wanna laugh. -So, I'm more of like a comedy guy, like I love to laugh, like when I get home from work, I just wanna laugh. I don't wanna be bothered. I don't wanna be bothered. That's why I love 30 Rock so much. That's why I love 30 Rock so much. I think 30 Rock was like the greatest show in the last couple of years. I think 30 Rock was like the greatest show in the last couple of years. -Yeah. -Yeah. And you can keep watching that. And you can keep watching that. -You can because they're kind of like family guy and I think that they're so scatterbrained in all over the place that it's tough to remember like which episode is what. -You can because they're kind of like family guy and I think that they're so scatterbrained in all over the place that it's tough to remember like which episode is what. But you're gonna say something? But you're gonna say something? -Yeah, I'm gonna say that let's make an addendum to that challenge -Yeah, I'm gonna say that let's make an addendum to that challenge because now that you can watch any television show anytime you want, because now that you can watch any television show anytime you want, -Sure. -Sure. -how about like any show from like the beginning of television? -how about like any show from like the beginning of television? -Sure, yeah. -Sure, yeah. That works. That works. -That's easy. -That's easy. -I can just-- I mean, yeah. -I can just-- I mean, yeah. -That's easy. -That's easy. -That's an easier question. -That's an easier question. -I mean, like obviously at Sopranos, at Sons of Anarchy for me. -I mean, like obviously at Sopranos, at Sons of Anarchy for me. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Veronica Mars. -Veronica Mars. -We're gonna get to that in a second. -We're gonna get to that in a second. -Oh. -Oh. -Okay. -Okay. So, now we talked about her unhealthy obsession with-- So, now we talked about her unhealthy obsession with-- -Yeah. -Yeah. -you know, famous crazy people. -you know, famous crazy people. Now, we're getting into the part where Saddie has an unhealthy obsession with Veronica Now, we're getting into the part where Saddie has an unhealthy obsession with Veronica Mars. Mars. -Which is just as valid as having an unhealthy obsession with Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad and the Sopranos. -Which is just as valid as having an unhealthy obsession with Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad and the Sopranos. -Yes, that's true. -Yes, that's true. That's true. That's true. -I think so. -I think so. -Because it is as quality as those shows. -Because it is as quality as those shows. -Wow. -Wow. Are we sure that's how we wanna categorize-- Are we sure that's how we wanna categorize-- -I am positive. -I am positive. I will stand by that opinion. I will stand by that opinion. -Veronica Mars. -Veronica Mars. This is also someone, the first time I met her told me like Honey Boo Boo's show that like everyone should really watch and appreciate. This is also someone, the first time I met her told me like Honey Boo Boo's show that like everyone should really watch and appreciate. -No, I did not say that. -No, I did not say that. I said that Honey Boo Boo had benefits like it was nice to see a girl with an unconventional body type I said that Honey Boo Boo had benefits like it was nice to see a girl with an unconventional body type have confidence. have confidence. -Wow. -Wow. That is-- that's a great feminist and-- That is-- that's a great feminist and-- -That's feminist it's like-- but no, like I hear what you're saying but there's positive benefits to smoking cigarettes too. -That's feminist it's like-- but no, like I hear what you're saying but there's positive benefits to smoking cigarettes too. Like you know, it helps your digestive system, like-- Like you know, it helps your digestive system, like-- -I think people-- I think people's issue with Honey Boo Boo is sort of like taking upper middle class values -I think people-- I think people's issue with Honey Boo Boo is sort of like taking upper middle class values -Yeah. -Yeah. -and trying to impose them on other people, -and trying to impose them on other people, -Right. -Right. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -and playing it like if they don't live up to our standards they're wrong and they're trash. -and playing it like if they don't live up to our standards they're wrong and they're trash. -That is a good point. -That is a good point. -I understand-- and I appreciate -I understand-- and I appreciate that idea but it's still, you know, crazy people and no one should really-- I don't think perhaps strive to live their life though. that idea but it's still, you know, crazy people and no one should really-- I don't think perhaps strive to live their life though. It seems unhealthy. It seems unhealthy. -You watch The Real Housewives. -You watch The Real Housewives. How's that any different? How's that any different? -I do not watch that. -I do not watch that. -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. You-- You-- -That happens to be on in my house while I'm living there. -That happens to be on in my house while I'm living there. -You have a favorite housewife. -You have a favorite housewife. -So, I wanna talk about new-- who's my favorite housewife? -So, I wanna talk about new-- who's my favorite housewife? -You told me Lisa. -You told me Lisa. -All right, yeah, I said-- -All right, yeah, I said-- -I think Lisa is probably the hottest. -I think Lisa is probably the hottest. -She's pretty hot for an old lady. -She's pretty hot for an old lady. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I stand -I stand corrected. corrected. Still, but I don't think anyone should strive to live like those people either. Still, but I don't think anyone should strive to live like those people either. -No. -No. I'm not saying you should try to live like Honey Boo Boo. I'm not saying you should try to live like Honey Boo Boo. -They're not role models. -They're not role models. -What I'm saying, you shouldn't attack them for being like trailer trash. -What I'm saying, you shouldn't attack them for being like trailer trash. -I don't attack them. -I don't attack them. They do plenty of their own self-inflected damage. They do plenty of their own self-inflected damage. I don't need to touch that. I don't need to touch that. All right. All right. I wanna talk two shows that I really think are quality stuff. I wanna talk two shows that I really think are quality stuff. I've definitely talked about Broad City before. I've definitely talked about Broad City before. Have you seen Broad City? Have you seen Broad City? -I watched the pilot and nothing else. -I watched the pilot and nothing else. -And because you don't like it? -And because you don't like it? -I did like it but not enough to go out of my way to keep watching. -I did like it but not enough to go out of my way to keep watching. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -But I really enjoy it. -But I really enjoy it. -I think it's the funniest new show in like three years. -I think it's the funniest new show in like three years. I really do. I really do. I do. I do. You watch it, dude, we'll go watch the season. You watch it, dude, we'll go watch the season. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Okay. -Okay. -I kind of think of a show-- -I kind of think of a show-- -Think of a funnier show in the last three years. -Think of a funnier show in the last three years. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Obviously everyone should watch Archer, I think that's one-- that's the funniest cartoon on television. -Obviously everyone should watch Archer, I think that's one-- that's the funniest cartoon on television. -Right. -Right. -You don't like cartoons, woman over this, right? -You don't like cartoons, woman over this, right? And Portlandia. And Portlandia. Like Portlandia does not get enough credit as far as I'm concerned. Like Portlandia does not get enough credit as far as I'm concerned. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -That is a hilarious show. -That is a hilarious show. -Well, maybe it's sort of on and off for me. -Well, maybe it's sort of on and off for me. -No. -No. -Some skits are funny, other ones -Some skits are funny, other ones are just like, man, they need to end this sooner. are just like, man, they need to end this sooner. -I feel the same. -I feel the same. -I don't-- look, that's how I feel. -I don't-- look, that's how I feel. -Okay. -Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. -This is an opinion piece. -This is an opinion piece. -All right. -All right. -No, we're not gonna argue with you. -No, we're not gonna argue with you. -And I don't have any like archive stuff that people should watch. -And I don't have any like archive stuff that people should watch. -Okay. -Okay. -But feel free to suggest a few before we move on. -But feel free to suggest a few before we move on. -Orange is the New Black. -Orange is the New Black. -Okay. -Okay. -I think it's the show everyone should watch. -I think it's the show everyone should watch. -Pretty good stuff. -Pretty good stuff. Pretty good stuff. Pretty good stuff. I'll do that. I'll do that. -How many seasons are they planning of that, do you know? -How many seasons are they planning of that, do you know? -Right now there's just-- -Right now there's just-- -Because they have the second. -Because they have the second. -the second one coming out in June. -the second one coming out in June. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And I'm assuming there's gonna be a third. -And I'm assuming there's gonna be a third. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -I hope it never ends. -I hope it never ends. -Yeah. -Yeah. Okay. Okay. What else? What else? -Game of Thrones obviously. -Game of Thrones obviously. -Agree. -Agree. -For sure. -For sure. -RuPaul's Drag Race is-- -RuPaul's Drag Race is-- -Really? -Really? Is that still going on right now? Is that still going on right now? -Yes, it is. -Yes, it is. It is the only like appointment television besides True Detective that I have right now. It is the only like appointment television besides True Detective that I have right now. -Wow. -Wow. -It's when the credibility just falls down the journey. -It's when the credibility just falls down the journey. -Because you have my case in the line with yours doesn't mean they're not credible. -Because you have my case in the line with yours doesn't mean they're not credible. -No, I know. -No, I know. I just didn't even know that was a show. I just didn't even know that was a show. -It's amazing. -It's amazing. -All right. -All right. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna add it to the queue. I'm gonna add it to the queue. -Yes, you've heard of it. -Yes, you've heard of it. -I definitely heard of it. -I definitely heard of it. They have that web app where They have that web app where you can make yourself into a woman online. you can make yourself into a woman online. -Yeah, you can make yourself a good drag queen. -Yeah, you can make yourself a good drag queen. -That was years ago though. -That was years ago though. -Oh, you don't need an app for that. -Oh, you don't need an app for that. -I can't-- that show must have been on the air for what, like four years now? -I can't-- that show must have been on the air for what, like four years now? -It's season 6. -It's season 6. -Wow, it's crazy. -Wow, it's crazy. I can't believe it lasted long. I can't believe it lasted long. It must be good. It must be good. -Good for that. -Good for that. -How could-- -How could-- -What's it on? -What's it on? Which channel is it on? Which channel is it on? -It's on Logo Monday nights. -It's on Logo Monday nights. Everyone should check it out. Everyone should check it out. It's fabulous. It's fabulous. -Is VH1 still a channel? -Is VH1 still a channel? -Yes. -Yes. -What do they do in? -What do they do in? -Web only I think. -Web only I think. -What happen to VH1? -What happen to VH1? I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know what channel it is. I don't even know what channel it is. -They have shows. -They have shows. -I feel like VH1 started or not started -I feel like VH1 started or not started but had a big hand in the Reality TV Rennaisance. but had a big hand in the Reality TV Rennaisance. -Oh, it-- -Oh, it-- -With the-- -With the-- -[unk] created it like-- -[unk] created it like-- -Yeah, with you know, what's this face? -Yeah, with you know, what's this face? -Flavor Flav. -Flavor Flav. -Flavor Flav and -Flavor Flav and -Yeah. -Yeah. -you know, the-- -you know, the-- -And they were doing like the best week ever stuff too and rap like little '90s. -And they were doing like the best week ever stuff too and rap like little '90s. -And it's the real life. -And it's the real life. -Yeah. -Yeah. What happened? What happened? -I don't know. -I don't know. They're gone. They're gone. -For VH1. -For VH1. -I don't know. -I don't know. Charm School ended and couldn't go back to there. Charm School ended and couldn't go back to there. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Do you watch Killer Karaoke? -Do you watch Killer Karaoke? I think that would be-- I'll put my-- Killer Karaoke. I think that would be-- I'll put my-- Killer Karaoke. -She knows every show. -She knows every show. -I have seen online clips -I have seen online clips but-- but-- -It's the best show on television right now besides My Strange Addiction. -It's the best show on television right now besides My Strange Addiction. -What channel is it? -What channel is it? What channel-- oh, my God, My Strange Addiction. What channel-- oh, my God, My Strange Addiction. -Dude, I think My Strange Addiction is fake. -Dude, I think My Strange Addiction is fake. -I don't care if it's fake. -I don't care if it's fake. House Hunters is fake. House Hunters is fake. -Yes. -Yes. -I still watch marathons of it. -I still watch marathons of it. -Oh, no. -Oh, no. All right. All right. -Extreme Cheapskates, do you watch that too? -Extreme Cheapskates, do you watch that too? -No. -No. That makes me kind of sad. That makes me kind of sad. -What about the coupon weird-- the coupon weird just freaks me out a little bit. -What about the coupon weird-- the coupon weird just freaks me out a little bit. -Yes, that's what you're talking about. -Yes, that's what you're talking about. -Yeah, yeah. -Yeah, yeah. -Same with Hoarders, I can't watch. -Same with Hoarders, I can't watch. -Oh, Hoarders is scary but I heard a lot of that is fake too. -Oh, Hoarders is scary but I heard a lot of that is fake too. -I don't know. -I don't know. If Hoarders is fake, they have the best production designer in the history of television. If Hoarders is fake, they have the best production designer in the history of television. -Yeah, boxes. -Yeah, boxes. -Yeah, like-- I don't know. -Yeah, like-- I don't know. They-- They-- -Oh, that woman who had like 100 -Oh, that woman who had like 100 dead cats in her fridge. dead cats in her fridge. -Yeah. -Yeah. -That's what I'm afraid I'm gonna turn into. -That's what I'm afraid I'm gonna turn into. -Well, how many cats you have now? -Well, how many cats you have now? -I have one but growing up I had six at a time. -I have one but growing up I had six at a time. -Okay. -Okay. You're on the right track. You're on the right track. Jeff's backing away slowly. Jeff's backing away slowly. That's okay. That's okay. We're cat lovers here. We're cat lovers here. -Yes. -Yes. -Speak for yourself. -Speak for yourself. -But no, Killer Karaoke, have you seen it? -But no, Killer Karaoke, have you seen it? -No. -No. What is it? What is it? -It's on truTV I think. -It's on truTV I think. But basically, it's a karaoke competition show hosted by Steve-O and Mark McGrath. But basically, it's a karaoke competition show hosted by Steve-O and Mark McGrath. Like the best most unlikely friendship ever. Like the best most unlikely friendship ever. -Duo. -Duo. Wow. Wow. What a duo. What a duo. -And they basically -And they basically have contestants singing into a microphone karaoke style. have contestants singing into a microphone karaoke style. -Yeah, I get that. -Yeah, I get that. -While they're torturing them with like pranks and like for example, -While they're torturing them with like pranks and like for example, -Shut up. -Shut up. -one of the best one was they lowered the girl into a pit of snakes. -one of the best one was they lowered the girl into a pit of snakes. I bet your coworker would love that. I bet your coworker would love that. -Oh. -Oh. -And you know, she has to sing and if you stop singing and start screaming then you lose the game. -And you know, she has to sing and if you stop singing and start screaming then you lose the game. That is all. That is all. That's the whole point of the entire show. That's the whole point of the entire show. -It's pretty much like my nightmare playing out. -It's pretty much like my nightmare playing out. -It's so good. -It's so good. -It's great. -It's great. It's a simple concept though but it seems powerful. It's a simple concept though but it seems powerful. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I'm into it. -I'm into it. I'll check that out. I'll check that out. -It's great. -It's great. -All right. -All right. truTV, let me write that down. truTV, let me write that down. All right. All right. -Oh, and Freaks and Geeks, that would be my legacy show. -Oh, and Freaks and Geeks, that would be my legacy show. -Oh, yes, great call. -Oh, yes, great call. -I think that's my favorite show of all time. -I think that's my favorite show of all time. -That's a great call. -That's a great call. -And I think Bill is gonna be in that new show, right? -And I think Bill is gonna be in that new show, right? -Martin Starr, yeah. -Martin Starr, yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -He's in Silicon Valley. -He's in Silicon Valley. -Okay. -Okay. I'm gonna watch that for him. I'm gonna watch that for him. -Man, all-- that whole crew round up to be like, you know, the crème and crepe for sure. -Man, all-- that whole crew round up to be like, you know, the crème and crepe for sure. -Really good. -Really good. -I love it. -I love it. -Except for Sam, what's he doing? -Except for Sam, what's he doing? -He's on Bones I believe. -He's on Bones I believe. -Oh, really? -Oh, really? -What's he's real name? -What's he's real name? -I hope that's right. -I hope that's right. -Bones. -Bones. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. -I know Bones but the dude's name I don't know. -I know Bones but the dude's name I don't know. -Oh, he has the internet. -Oh, he has the internet. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Oh, you have the -Oh, you have the internet internet turning on. turning on. -Yeah, let me ask my computer. -Yeah, let me ask my computer. -F the internet. -F the internet. -John Francis Daley. -John Francis Daley. Duh. Duh. -Duh. -Duh. Where were we? Where were we? All right. All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. Okay, very good. Okay, very good. -Can we dip into Saddie's personal life really quick? -Can we dip into Saddie's personal life really quick? -Or did you wanna get to some of our-- -Or did you wanna get to some of our-- -No. -No. -No? -No? Okay. Okay. -These ones are way better. -These ones are way better. -Sure. -Sure. Rocking-- Rocking-- -All right. -All right. Let's just make it all about me. Let's just make it all about me. I'm cool with that. I'm cool with that. -Yeah, let's do it. -Yeah, let's do it. -I mean we could do that but let's save that for the end of the show. -I mean we could do that but let's save that for the end of the show. Right now, I wanna talk about a Tumblr page that you have linked to your Twitter's site and it's called EverythingYouLeftBehind.tumblr.com. Right now, I wanna talk about a Tumblr page that you have linked to your Twitter's site and it's called EverythingYouLeftBehind.tumblr.com. I mean, we're big fans of like single serving I mean, we're big fans of like single serving Tumblrs on this show. Tumblrs on this show. So, of course we're gonna talk about this. So, of course we're gonna talk about this. Can you sort of explain what the concept is? Can you sort of explain what the concept is? Because it's kind of a really creative idea. Because it's kind of a really creative idea. -Well, I date a lot more than-- yeah, this person. -Well, I date a lot more than-- yeah, this person. -I like the start of this location. -I like the start of this location. -Go on. -Go on. -Okay. -Okay. -And one day I was sitting around and I was like wearing the sweatpants and a hoodie, and like reading this book and I realized the book I'm reading, the hoodie, the pants, everything, -And one day I was sitting around and I was like wearing the sweatpants and a hoodie, and like reading this book and I realized the book I'm reading, the hoodie, the pants, everything, -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -was either given to me -was either given to me by a guy or left in my apartment by someone I went out with. by a guy or left in my apartment by someone I went out with. -Scavengers. -Scavengers. -And so I started going through all of my stuff and photographing anything I have left over from someone I was involved in. -And so I started going through all of my stuff and photographing anything I have left over from someone I was involved in. -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -And documenting it on a Tumblr and asking my friends and whoever else to submit what else they have. -And documenting it on a Tumblr and asking my friends and whoever else to submit what else they have. -Okay. -Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, I wanna clarify that's definitely not just you on this. So, I wanna clarify that's definitely not just you on this. -Yes. -Yes. -Because there's a lot of entries like, dude, there's a lot. -Because there's a lot of entries like, dude, there's a lot. -Just the inspiration. -Just the inspiration. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I was like, wow, there's multiple pages here. -I was like, wow, there's multiple pages here. -What-- so, what about this one? -What-- so, what about this one? You must have guy friends that also submit photos because we're looking at a set of lingerie. You must have guy friends that also submit photos because we're looking at a set of lingerie. -Why can't that be a girl? -Why can't that be a girl? That is-- That is-- -Oh, it could be a girl, yeah, of course. -Oh, it could be a girl, yeah, of course. -That is one of my friends. -That is one of my friends. -Okay. -Okay. And she had someone-- And she had someone-- -And lingerie she has from her ex-girlfriend. -And lingerie she has from her ex-girlfriend. -That is pretty amazing. -That is pretty amazing. -There's one entry if you can go back to November 28th. -There's one entry if you can go back to November 28th. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Of 2013 last year. -Of 2013 last year. I just love this crap. I just love this crap. -I don't even know which one. -I don't even know which one. -It's so awesome. -It's so awesome. It's just like a little note. It's just like a little note. Now, is this you? Now, is this you? -This is me. -This is me. -Okay, this is you. -Okay, this is you. Here's a little note ripped out of like a spiral notebook. Here's a little note ripped out of like a spiral notebook. You have, he snuck this into my purse during one of our dates and it's just chicken scratch and it says, I like ya look. You have, he snuck this into my purse during one of our dates and it's just chicken scratch and it says, I like ya look. Thanks, Aron-- is that Aron? Thanks, Aron-- is that Aron? Aron C. He like-- he signed it like a kid would sign his kindergarten homework. Aron C. He like-- he signed it like a kid would sign his kindergarten homework. What's up with that? What's up with that? -Well, we were on a date and he always just tweet me. -Well, we were on a date and he always just tweet me. Like he would never text. Like he would never text. He would tweet like, do you wanna go to Pommes Frites? He would tweet like, do you wanna go to Pommes Frites? -Whoa. -Whoa. -That's weird, -That's weird, man. man. -That's public. -That's public. -Yeah, and so we were sitting at this bar and I was like, you can't tweet me like this. -Yeah, and so we were sitting at this bar and I was like, you can't tweet me like this. -Yes. -Yes. -It seems really uncomfortable. -It seems really uncomfortable. It's not what Twitter is for. It's not what Twitter is for. It makes me feel like your internet a letterhead. It makes me feel like your internet a letterhead. -Right, right, yeah. -Right, right, yeah. It seems like you're using the wrong platform for a thing. It seems like you're using the wrong platform for a thing. -Yes. -Yes. And so then, like a second later I get a notification on my phone and it just say, "@SaddieGennis, I like ya look." And so then, like a second later I get a notification on my phone and it just say, "@SaddieGennis, I like ya look." -Oh, man. -Oh, man. -I like ya look. -I like ya look. -And then I just like ream him out. -And then I just like ream him out. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Like nicely though. -Like nicely though. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Just like, I was still interested in him. -Just like, I was still interested in him. -Right. -Right. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -And then I get home and I'm just -And then I get home and I'm just like, oh, God, like like, oh, God, like -Yeah. -Yeah. -why did he do that. -why did he do that. I reached in my purse to get my MasterCard out and at some point during that conversation he like slipped this note into my purse too. I reached in my purse to get my MasterCard out and at some point during that conversation he like slipped this note into my purse too. -Amazing. -Amazing. -You know what's even creepier is that, who the hell carries around a tiny mini notebook like this? -You know what's even creepier is that, who the hell carries around a tiny mini notebook like this? -Well, I do. -Well, I do. -Yeah. -Yeah. -That's weird. -That's weird. Like what kind of serial killer mannerism is that? Like what kind of serial killer mannerism is that? You jotting down. You jotting down. -No, I-- -No, I-- -Writer. -Writer. -You're a writer. -You're a writer. You're a writer. You're a writer. -Are you a detective? -Are you a detective? -Yeah. -Yeah. -Are you like interviewing people on the flight that you need to like jot down notes to yourself? -Are you like interviewing people on the flight that you need to like jot down notes to yourself? -No, no, that's the least creepiest part of it as far as I'm -No, no, that's the least creepiest part of it as far as I'm concerned. concerned. -Yeah. -Yeah. -What's creep-- -What's creep-- -[unk] a Moleskine for Christ's sake. -[unk] a Moleskine for Christ's sake. -Yeah. -Yeah. -What creeps me out is that he tweeted this at me and he wrote it in a note stuck in my purse. -What creeps me out is that he tweeted this at me and he wrote it in a note stuck in my purse. -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -But he never said it to my face. -But he never said it to my face. -Yeah. -Yeah. Did he talk like that? Did he talk like that? With, you know, like slang-- what is with the ya thing? With, you know, like slang-- what is with the ya thing? -He's from San Francisco. -He's from San Francisco. -I like the way ya look. -I like the way ya look. -He has much love tattooed on his shoulder blade. -He has much love tattooed on his shoulder blade. -What he did? -What he did? What? What? He's what? He's what? -Your threshold for jawbreaker is really, really high. -Your threshold for jawbreaker is really, really high. -Much love. -Much love. -Much love. -Much love. -I know. -I know. -Because he's so creepy. -Because he's so creepy. It's definitely-- It's definitely-- -Saddie, I know why you're-- oh, you get-- -Saddie, I know why you're-- oh, you get-- -What? -What? -Dude, that's a deal breaker. -Dude, that's a deal breaker. -I know. -I know. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Much love. -Much love. -I have some deal breaker. -I have some deal breaker. -Don't put that on San Francisco either because Ariel and I are both from SF. -Don't put that on San Francisco either because Ariel and I are both from SF. -No. -No. -And that is some high-level douche-baggery. -And that is some high-level douche-baggery. -Yeah. -Yeah. That is beyond SF's capability. That is beyond SF's capability. -The occasion that-- -The occasion that-- -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Ariel is like, I'm offended. -Ariel is like, I'm offended. Nice. Nice. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What were you saying? What were you saying? -Oh, I was gonna is, the only location that I've written off, -Oh, I was gonna is, the only location that I've written off, -Yeah. -Yeah. -Connecticut. -Connecticut. -Uh-hmm, really? -Uh-hmm, really? -I don't date people from Connecticut anymore. -I don't date people from Connecticut anymore. -Well, it's a big pool. -Well, it's a big pool. -Yeah, that is big, -Yeah, that is big, -Yeah. -Yeah. -because a lot of commuters from New York-- -because a lot of commuters from New York-- -I know. -I know. I've dated a lot of people from Connecticut. I've dated a lot of people from Connecticut. -What is it about -What is it about that state? that state? -There are-- no offense someone from Connecticut. -There are-- no offense someone from Connecticut. -They seem to be very nice. -They seem to be very nice. -They're super nice. -They're super nice. -Yeah. -Yeah. -But then they just say these things because usually they're very sheltered. -But then they just say these things because usually they're very sheltered. -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -And so sometimes they'll just say these slightly misogynistic or like kind of like homophobic thing. -And so sometimes they'll just say these slightly misogynistic or like kind of like homophobic thing. -Really? -Really? No. No. Connecticut is super progressive. Connecticut is super progressive. -It's just a bunch of like upper class white people hanging out with upper class white people. -It's just a bunch of like upper class white people hanging out with upper class white people. -I guess they do have a lot of yachts. -I guess they do have a lot of yachts. -A lot of universities. -A lot of universities. -Yeah. -Yeah. -There's a lot of yachts, there's a lot of like cardigan sweaters. -There's a lot of yachts, there's a lot of like cardigan sweaters. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Which, you know, -Which, you know, I love the cardigan which is why I keep dating guys from Connecticut. I love the cardigan which is why I keep dating guys from Connecticut. -Does the cycle continue over and over? -Does the cycle continue over and over? All right. All right. Fine. Fine. We got a Connecticut ban on possibly Saddie boyfriend. We got a Connecticut ban on possibly Saddie boyfriend. No problem with that. No problem with that. I got no problem with that. I got no problem with that. -You know, but like you know, I'll break a rule of someone who has a nice enough beard. -You know, but like you know, I'll break a rule of someone who has a nice enough beard. -Really? -Really? Are you-- you're a beard-- Are you-- you're a beard-- -Obsessed. -Obsessed. -Okay. -Okay. Makes me feel good. Makes me feel good. All right. All right. Right on. Right on. So, I mean, check out this site. So, I mean, check out this site. It's pretty rad, EverythingYouLeftBehind.tumblr.com. It's pretty rad, EverythingYouLeftBehind.tumblr.com. I wanna-- I wish I could like I wanna-- I wish I could like submit to this but I feel I don't have the required relationship status. submit to this but I feel I don't have the required relationship status. -You have to have something left over. -You have to have something left over. -I mean, when you get as old as I am, -I mean, when you get as old as I am, -Oh, yeah, you're ancient. -Oh, yeah, you're ancient. -no, not at all. -no, not at all. I'm just saying like I've been with my now wife for a very long time. I'm just saying like I've been with my now wife for a very long time. So, So, -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -I mean, -I mean, -My mom-- -My mom-- -I have like shattered memories in my brain that I can't manifest into your website but that's about it. -I have like shattered memories in my brain that I can't manifest into your website but that's about it. -My mom submitted things and she's been married twice and I'm talking like boyfriends from high school for her. -My mom submitted things and she's been married twice and I'm talking like boyfriends from high school for her. -Oh, wow. -Oh, wow. -Wow. -Wow. She kept that stuff for a long time. She kept that stuff for a long time. -Yeah. -Yeah. She actually gave me a pair of pants. She actually gave me a pair of pants. I think that was her high school like boyfriend. I think that was her high school like boyfriend. -Wow. -Wow. -I know. -I know. -All right. -All right. Well, I'm sure someone listening is gonna have an awesome thing that they can post. Well, I'm sure someone listening is gonna have an awesome thing that they can post. In fact, we hear-- we get e-mails about people's wackadoo relationships all the time. In fact, we hear-- we get e-mails about people's wackadoo relationships all the time. So hopefully there's something-- why did you laugh? So hopefully there's something-- why did you laugh? -Good stuff here. -Good stuff here. -It's really, really good. -It's really, really good. -Like I'm looking at this entry-- -Like I'm looking at this entry-- -You sit on a gold mine. -You sit on a gold mine. -Yeah, on November 20th, 2013 and you posted a photo of a Nightcrawler comic book that a dude gave you for -Yeah, on November 20th, 2013 and you posted a photo of a Nightcrawler comic book that a dude gave you for 16th birthday present. 16th birthday present. -That's really cute. -That's really cute. -I'm hoping he was also 16 because if he was older that'd be shameful. -I'm hoping he was also 16 because if he was older that'd be shameful. -He was 18. -He was 18. -That seems too old. -That seems too old. -That's cool-- -That's cool-- -Yeah. -Yeah. -Well, he's like I'm dating the 16-year-old like kind of guy. -Well, he's like I'm dating the 16-year-old like kind of guy. -Yeah, what does she like? -Yeah, what does she like? -I like Nightcrawler. -I like Nightcrawler. -Wait, were you actually into Nightcrawler? -Wait, were you actually into Nightcrawler? -No, I love Nightcrawler. -No, I love Nightcrawler. -Oh, that's right. -Oh, that's right. -Amazing, man. -Amazing, man. Okay. Okay. -He's my favorite, he's one of my favorite characters. -He's my favorite, he's one of my favorite characters. -He is my favorite which is why he got me that comic. -He is my favorite which is why he got me that comic. -He's your favorite Marvel character? -He's your favorite Marvel character? -Oh, I thought we're just talking X-Men. -Oh, I thought we're just talking X-Men. -Oh, he's my favorite. -Oh, he's my favorite. Clearly your favorite. Clearly your favorite. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Not so bad though. -Not so bad though. -Well, you mean, you don't know what he smells. -Well, you mean, you don't know what he smells. -It's true. -It's true. Everytime he teleports he leaves a really bad Everytime he teleports he leaves a really bad smell, right? smell, right? -Oh, when he teleports. -Oh, when he teleports. That's the-- see, everything-- That's the-- see, everything-- -But he wouldn't be teleporting away from me. -But he wouldn't be teleporting away from me. -That's right. -That's right. Oh, that's a good point. Oh, that's a good point. I smell fan fiction. I smell fan fiction. -Well, time out. -Well, time out. If you wanna go get something real quick you might. If you wanna go get something real quick you might. He was like, oh, I forgot it's your birthday-- I love Nightcrawler. He was like, oh, I forgot it's your birthday-- I love Nightcrawler. I didn't realize that though. I didn't realize that though. -He's a good guy. -He's a good guy. -That's so tragic. -That's so tragic. He has this amazing power but it's like-- just a buy product just like stink ass, yeah. He has this amazing power but it's like-- just a buy product just like stink ass, yeah. -Why didn't he bring Febreze with him? -Why didn't he bring Febreze with him? -He's just-- oh, he's got one on his like little -He's just-- oh, he's got one on his like little belt. belt. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Man, Alan Cummings was a good Nightcrawler. -Man, Alan Cummings was a good Nightcrawler. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He was really good. He was really good. -Oh, my God, he was amazing. -Oh, my God, he was amazing. -He was a lot of fun. -He was a lot of fun. Well, we are all over the place right now. Well, we are all over the place right now. Okay. Okay. You wanna get grounded here? You wanna get grounded here? Or you wanna do a story? Or you wanna do a story? What do you wanna do? What do you wanna do? Or do you just wanna say, hey, let's wrap this up. Or do you just wanna say, hey, let's wrap this up. -Guest's choice. -Guest's choice. -Yeah, would you like to get into one of our stories or do you just wanna get out of here? -Yeah, would you like to get into one of our stories or do you just wanna get out of here? You have some place to be? You have some place to be? -Let's do this. -Let's do this. -Okay. -Okay. I like it. I like it. All right, I like it. All right, I like it. Let's give Saddie the choice. Let's give Saddie the choice. How about that? How about that? -Oh, Lord. -Oh, Lord. -Okay? -Okay? Is that okay? Is that okay? -Sure. -Sure. -All right. -All right. We can We can either talk about a new social network for drunk people. either talk about a new social network for drunk people. -Intrigued. -Intrigued. -People-- what's wrong with people who say they hate kinds of music. -People-- what's wrong with people who say they hate kinds of music. -Or no, hate music, period. -Or no, hate music, period. -Oh, I'm sorry, right, right, right. -Oh, I'm sorry, right, right, right. -There are some people that just hate music and that's a-- -There are some people that just hate music and that's a-- -I know. -I know. There's a lot. There's a lot. Maybe we'll do [unk] or about how doing three minutes of Tetris can reduce certain cravings? Maybe we'll do [unk] or about how doing three minutes of Tetris can reduce certain cravings? -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -All right. -All right. That just sounds like nonsense. That just sounds like nonsense. -Right. -Right. Well, what I mean is it's a fact, Jack, so-- Well, what I mean is it's a fact, Jack, so-- -I wanna hear about the social network for -I wanna hear about the social network for drunk people, drunk people, -Fair. -Fair. -because you know, I'm a person who gets drunk. -because you know, I'm a person who gets drunk. -Right. -Right. -Yeah. -Yeah. -So, I can relate to this possibly. -So, I can relate to this possibly. -Let me just give you some advice. -Let me just give you some advice. Enjoy it while you can. Enjoy it while you can. That's my only advice. That's my only advice. No, I'm joking. No, I'm joking. Okay, the site, what is it called? Okay, the site, what is it called? -It's called Livr, L-I-V-R, -It's called Livr, L-I-V-R, -I got it. -I got it. -which is sort of like the trend to leave out some vowels. -which is sort of like the trend to leave out some vowels. -That last vowel. -That last vowel. -I am surprised with this. -I am surprised with this. I mean, I don't drink myself but I would imagine if I did drink, it wouldn't be really difficult to find other people that are also drunk, right? I mean, I don't drink myself but I would imagine if I did drink, it wouldn't be really difficult to find other people that are also drunk, right? -Right. -Right. -I thought -I thought there were places you can go to find people like that. there were places you can go to find people like that. -Wait. -Wait. This is Grindr for drinking. This is Grindr for drinking. -Yeah. -Yeah. It's not exactly a dating website though, although I'm sure people would use it to hook up. It's not exactly a dating website though, although I'm sure people would use it to hook up. -Right. -Right. -So-- -So-- -It's crazy to me it's like-- okay, go on. -It's crazy to me it's like-- okay, go on. -No, no, no. -No, no, no. What were you gonna say? What were you gonna say? -I was just gonna say like the whole point of drinking, as far as I've been able to tell, -I was just gonna say like the whole point of drinking, as far as I've been able to tell, -Yeah. -Yeah. -is to like lower your inhibitions, get some liquid courage and start talking to people. -is to like lower your inhibitions, get some liquid courage and start talking to people. -Right. -Right. Not going-- Not going-- -Hook up and to-- yeah, not just be like, okay, I'm where I need to be right now. -Hook up and to-- yeah, not just be like, okay, I'm where I need to be right now. -Right. -Right. -And be right to your phone. -And be right to your phone. -Right. -Right. -You know, right? -You know, right? You're at the bar anyway. You're at the bar anyway. -Yeah. -Yeah. It always, I mean, you guys should explain this to me but I never understood like why people had to create games around drinking? It always, I mean, you guys should explain this to me but I never understood like why people had to create games around drinking? I thought like drinking itself was like the game but-- I thought like drinking itself was like the game but-- -Well, the younger you are the less you enjoy the act though, you kind of just want to take a shortcut to the end results. -Well, the younger you are the less you enjoy the act though, you kind of just want to take a shortcut to the end results. -Wait, yeah. -Wait, yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. You're drinking like nutty eyes. You're drinking like nutty eyes. -Yeah. -Yeah. -You don't really wanna sit around savor that. -You don't really wanna sit around savor that. -Right. -Right. -Yeah, like when you're in college you have no money so you're buying very bad quality beer -Yeah, like when you're in college you have no money so you're buying very bad quality beer -Yeah. -Yeah. -or liquor. -or liquor. -Okay. -Okay. -So, you just wanna -So, you just wanna expedite that process as efficiently as possible. expedite that process as efficiently as possible. -That's right. -That's right. -Should be playing a game like, you've heard like power hour, right? -Should be playing a game like, you've heard like power hour, right? -Yeah. -Yeah. -So, that's the point of that. -So, that's the point of that. Yeah. Yeah. -All right. -All right. Sounds like fun. Sounds like fun. Well, this is sort of similar to that. Well, this is sort of similar to that. It's basically the gamification of alcoholism. It's basically the gamification of alcoholism. It sounds like. It sounds like. So, the point is the social network Livr when you sign up for it, I don't think you have to pay for it just yet but when you do sign up they'll actually send you this little attachment that plugs into the bottom of your iPhone and it's basically a breathalyzer. So, the point is the social network Livr when you sign up for it, I don't think you have to pay for it just yet but when you do sign up they'll actually send you this little attachment that plugs into the bottom of your iPhone and it's basically a breathalyzer. It's a blood It's a blood alcohol analyzer attachment they call it. alcohol analyzer attachment they call it. -You've blown a point one. -You've blown a point one. -Yeah. -Yeah. -There are 38 people within a mile. -There are 38 people within a mile. -That's exactly what it does. -That's exactly what it does. It's not even a joke. It's not even a joke. The thing is you can't even access the app until you've blown a certain alcohol level into the breathalyzer. The thing is you can't even access the app until you've blown a certain alcohol level into the breathalyzer. -Are you serious? -Are you serious? -This is absurd. -This is absurd. -Yeah, you can't join the social network until you're drunk. -Yeah, you can't join the social network until you're drunk. And then once you do that, the more drunk you are the more features and games that get unlocked on the phone. And then once you do that, the more drunk you are the more features and games that get unlocked on the phone. -So, it's not to meet other people who are also drunk in your area. -So, it's not to meet other people who are also drunk in your area. -Yeah. -Yeah. -It's you get drunk by yourself and -It's you get drunk by yourself and play a game. play a game. -And then go. -And then go. Yeah. Yeah. -On your phone. -On your phone. -The game is actually leaving your house. -The game is actually leaving your house. -Right. -Right. -Like if you do that as far as I'm concerned you've won. -Like if you do that as far as I'm concerned you've won. -Yeah. -Yeah. That's it and it's-- That's it and it's-- -It's like the biggest challenge for that, dude. -It's like the biggest challenge for that, dude. -Yeah, Jumanji. -Yeah, Jumanji. -Jumanji. -Jumanji. -So, yeah, one of the features sounds pretty cool. -So, yeah, one of the features sounds pretty cool. It basically unlocks the map of other people that are playing the game around you, sort of like Grindr. It basically unlocks the map of other people that are playing the game around you, sort of like Grindr. -This sounds terrible dangerous for women. -This sounds terrible dangerous for women. -Yes. -Yes. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Exactly. -Exactly. -It is a map of inebriated women. -It is a map of inebriated women. -Yeah. -Yeah. And it's exactly their blood alcohol level too. And it's exactly their blood alcohol level too. -This is horrifying. -This is horrifying. -It's just a -It's just a [unk] going in random directions. [unk] going in random directions. -Yeah. -Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. -Bumping in stuff. -Bumping in stuff. -Then it gives you walking directions to tell you exactly where to go to find them. -Then it gives you walking directions to tell you exactly where to go to find them. -Oh, my God. -Oh, my God. -Jesus. -Jesus. That's hilarious but very sad at the same time. That's hilarious but very sad at the same time. -Yeah. -Yeah. So, there's a map and then there's a drunk dial feature. So, there's a map and then there's a drunk dial feature. You gotta tell me if you would actually use this. You gotta tell me if you would actually use this. So, once you're good and drunk enough, you can press this drunk dial feature that basically connects you on a phone call with a random person in your area that is also drunk and also looking at their phone. So, once you're good and drunk enough, you can press this drunk dial feature that basically connects you on a phone call with a random person in your area that is also drunk and also looking at their phone. -I'm sorry, man. -I'm sorry, man. -That's genius to me. -That's genius to me. I love to hear that-- I love to hear that-- -It really is kind of smart the whole, you know, the systemic sort of situation in relies on. -It really is kind of smart the whole, you know, the systemic sort of situation in relies on. -Yeah. -Yeah. -But at the same time it's like they are doing all the works. -But at the same time it's like they are doing all the works. Like how-- it's getting to the point where like all you really need is a pause. Like how-- it's getting to the point where like all you really need is a pause. -Yeah. -Yeah. And it's implying that if you're drunk you will be friends with anybody else that's also drunk. And it's implying that if you're drunk you will be friends with anybody else that's also drunk. -Right. -Right. Well, which is the same. Well, which is the same. -I think they'll be more criteria to that. -I think they'll be more criteria to that. -Makes sense though. -Makes sense though. -I have a question though. -I have a question though. -Sure. -Sure. -Is there ever like a certain level of drunk where are no more -Is there ever like a certain level of drunk where are no more features to unlock and it's like stop you're gonna die? features to unlock and it's like stop you're gonna die? -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. Like death eminent. Like death eminent. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Or like go to the hospital. -Or like go to the hospital. -Three miles away. -Three miles away. -Yes. -Yes. -They should connect it with Uber. -They should connect it with Uber. That would be genius. That would be genius. -That would be. -That would be. -If there's a hub partner with Uber that was gonna cap [unk]. -If there's a hub partner with Uber that was gonna cap [unk]. -Yeah. -Yeah. Uber is not trying to get like a bunch of puking cars though. Uber is not trying to get like a bunch of puking cars though. -This is true. -This is true. It's like your private car. It's like your private car. -Yeah. -Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Just the one screenshot they have, it's like check mark, you blew a .08, Just the one screenshot they have, it's like check mark, you blew a .08, -Yeah. -Yeah. -welcome. -welcome. -Yeah. -Yeah. Enjoy. Enjoy. -It's like, open -It's like, open sesame. sesame. That's-- That's-- -The coolest thing is that-- so you know, you do whatever you want during the night. -The coolest thing is that-- so you know, you do whatever you want during the night. Whatever regrets you have the following morning, you can actually erase everything that happens in the app. Whatever regrets you have the following morning, you can actually erase everything that happens in the app. The text message you sent to other users, everything. The text message you sent to other users, everything. You can erase with a black out button. You can erase with a black out button. So, it's basically like the following morning, you hate yourself, press this button, nothing ever happened. So, it's basically like the following morning, you hate yourself, press this button, nothing ever happened. -It's like the Men in Black clicker. -It's like the Men in Black clicker. -Yeah or you could do the opposite and if you had a lot of fun, you know, how many regrets you can publish it all to your social networks so that your mom can see what a drunker you are. -Yeah or you could do the opposite and if you had a lot of fun, you know, how many regrets you can publish it all to your social networks so that your mom can see what a drunker you are. -And then there's like -And then there's like the I feel lucky button where like you know, can ever review it. the I feel lucky button where like you know, can ever review it. -Yeah. -Yeah. -You can post there and undo. -You can post there and undo. Very good. Very good. Do we have time for one more? Do we have time for one more? -I don't know. -I don't know. Ariel? Ariel? -Let's do one more. -Let's do one more. Do we have time for one more? Do we have time for one more? -Yes. -Yes. -All right. -All right. I wanna talk-- I wanna do the people who hate music thing. I wanna talk-- I wanna do the people who hate music thing. -Yeah, this is so weird. -Yeah, this is so weird. -How is that even a thing? -How is that even a thing? -I know people who hate music. -I know people who hate music. -I've heard that like I've come across it a couple of times, -I've heard that like I've come across it a couple of times, -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -and I just assume they're trying to be like, you know-- -and I just assume they're trying to be like, you know-- -Opinionated. -Opinionated. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah, just cause drama. -Yeah, just cause drama. -Right. -Right. And And perhaps that might be true in some instances. perhaps that might be true in some instances. I legitimately know people who just I'll be like in a car with them and be like, what do you wanna listen to? I legitimately know people who just I'll be like in a car with them and be like, what do you wanna listen to? I don't really like music. I don't really like music. What? What? -Yeah. -Yeah. -What? -What? Do you like anything? Do you like anything? Do you like food? Do you like food? -Right. -Right. I'm completely the opposite. I'm completely the opposite. You know, I'm sure you and Ariel and I'm sure you are the same way. You know, I'm sure you and Ariel and I'm sure you are the same way. Like right when I get home I just have to put music on this. Like right when I get home I just have to put music on this. I think it's probably a generation-- I think it's probably a generation-- -Oh, no. -Oh, no. -Listen to music a lot everyday. -Listen to music a lot everyday. -Yeah. -Yeah. Like I just always have to have music on. Like I just always have to have music on. Is that not the case? Is that not the case? -I listen to a lot of TV. -I listen to a lot of TV. -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -Like I'll put on SVU. -Like I'll put on SVU. -Oh, okay. -Oh, okay. -When I'm like cleaning or something in my house and I listen to it like a radio drama. -When I'm like cleaning or something in my house and I listen to it like a radio drama. -Oh, that's cool. -Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. -Like I always need to have like be listening to something. -Like I always need to have like be listening to something. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -But it's rarely music. -But it's rarely music. -Huh. -Huh. -It's interesting. -It's interesting. -Are you able to follow along with the plot while you're doing other stuff? -Are you able to follow along with the plot while you're doing other stuff? Like you're completely multitasking? Like you're completely multitasking? -Haven't you ever seen this for you? -Haven't you ever seen this for you? It's all verbal exposition. It's all verbal exposition. -That's true. -That's true. It's all the same. It's all the same. -That's why I love it so much, you know, you don't have to think that much. -That's why I love it so much, you know, you don't have to think that much. -That's amazing. -That's amazing. What a revelation. What a revelation. -That is true. -That is true. That-- wow. That-- wow. -It's amazing. -It's amazing. -Screening television-- -Screening television-- -Brilliant. -Brilliant. Just a black screen with voices. Just a black screen with voices. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Why not? -Why not? Sign me up. Sign me up. But it's true. But it's true. Some people get no joy. Some people get no joy. Have no happiness associated with listening to music. Have no happiness associated with listening to music. You do listen to music. You do listen to music. -Yeah. -Yeah. When I'm on commute and I'm not reading. When I'm on commute and I'm not reading. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Right. -Right. Exactly. Exactly. I can't listen to music and read either. I can't listen to music and read either. I think that's like very distracting. I think that's like very distracting. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Justin listens to music and does everything. -Justin listens to music and does everything. -Yeah. -Yeah. -It's kind of crazy. -It's kind of crazy. -I have to. -I have to. -An amazing skill you have. -An amazing skill you have. -It's an important thing in New York too just because it's like you -It's an important thing in New York too just because it's like you wanna puck out everything that's happening around you. wanna puck out everything that's happening around you. I don't know. I don't know. Even if I'm not listening to music I always have headphones and, but-- Even if I'm not listening to music I always have headphones and, but-- -Oh, me too. -Oh, me too. -regardless, yeah, there's definitely portion of the population. -regardless, yeah, there's definitely portion of the population. It's more than I thought but 5% of the people that walk amongst us are freaking mutants and they hate music. It's more than I thought but 5% of the people that walk amongst us are freaking mutants and they hate music. -It's crazy. -It's crazy. It's almost like a disability. It's almost like a disability. -Right. -Right. Well, it is a disability because it's not like they just dislike music, they are physiologically predisposed to not liking music. Well, it is a disability because it's not like they just dislike music, they are physiologically predisposed to not liking music. It's a congenital thing to do. It's a congenital thing to do. -That's sad. -That's sad. -Curse. -Curse. Curse. Curse. -Yeah, it's really sad. -Yeah, it's really sad. It's called amusia and the other word It's called amusia and the other word for amusia is something that we've all probably heard of. for amusia is something that we've all probably heard of. -Dickhead. -Dickhead. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. -Being a dumbass. -Being a dumbass. -Being a-- -Being a-- -No, it's being tone deaf. -No, it's being tone deaf. And I always thought being tone deaf just meant that you just can't sing. And I always thought being tone deaf just meant that you just can't sing. -Couldn't-- -Couldn't-- -Yeah. -Yeah. But it's not that. But it's not that. It's that you literally can't hear tones and that's what amusia is. It's that you literally can't hear tones and that's what amusia is. -So, it's like nothing is pleasing to you because you can't appreciate harmony. -So, it's like nothing is pleasing to you because you can't appreciate harmony. -Right. -Right. Yeah. Yeah. There are-- I've looked up videos about this interviewing suffers of amusia online. There are-- I've looked up videos about this interviewing suffers of amusia online. -Amusia. -Amusia. -And they describe it as, when they listen to music it sounds like a bunch of pots are clinging on the -And they describe it as, when they listen to music it sounds like a bunch of pots are clinging on the floor. floor. Like they just went to the kitchen and like release everything that was in its container. Like they just went to the kitchen and like release everything that was in its container. -Like [unk]. -Like [unk]. -Yeah, and that's crazy. -Yeah, and that's crazy. -That's amazing. -That's amazing. -And they find it irritating and they just can't stand it. -And they find it irritating and they just can't stand it. It's like nails on a chalkboard to them. It's like nails on a chalkboard to them. -If anyone listening or watching our show suffers from amusia, -If anyone listening or watching our show suffers from amusia, -Yeah. -Yeah. -please ride in. -please ride in. I wanna hear about this first hand. I wanna hear about this first hand. -Right. -Right. -It's like amazing. -It's like amazing. -It's kind of scary. -It's kind of scary. -It is. -It is. -And it's sad too for people that live in Eastern countries like China where the language is largely based on -And it's sad too for people that live in Eastern countries like China where the language is largely based on tones. tones. It's sort of a musical language like Cantonese or Mandarin where things-- words can change based on how you pronounce them, tone watch. It's sort of a musical language like Cantonese or Mandarin where things-- words can change based on how you pronounce them, tone watch. -Right. -Right. Sure, sure. Sure, sure. -And for those people, apparently if you have amusia in those countries, you're not able to understand or oftentimes even speak language. -And for those people, apparently if you have amusia in those countries, you're not able to understand or oftentimes even speak language. So that can be like a completely different set of problems aside from just being a jerk to everyone. So that can be like a completely different set of problems aside from just being a jerk to everyone. -Oh, you blow my mind, man. -Oh, you blow my mind, man. -Yeah, that's terrible. -Yeah, that's terrible. -That is terrible. -That is terrible. -It's like the opposite of synesthesia. -It's like the opposite of synesthesia. -Right. -Right. Right, right, right. Right, right, right. -Where the people can like see colors based on the music they listen to. -Where the people can like see colors based on the music they listen to. -It's crazy. -It's crazy. -I know. -I know. -I mean, I know people who just-- the people I know, this is not what they suffer from. -I mean, I know people who just-- the people I know, this is not what they suffer from. They're just very uncultured. They're just very uncultured. -Yeah. -Yeah. -They just don't appreciate anything. -They just don't appreciate anything. -Those are all haters I think. -Those are all haters I think. -Yeah, they're haters. -Yeah, they're haters. All right. All right. Well, we're not haters, neither Saddie Gennis. Well, we're not haters, neither Saddie Gennis. Do yourself a favor, follow her on Twitter $SaddieGennis and then read all of her stuff at TV Guide. Do yourself a favor, follow her on Twitter $SaddieGennis and then read all of her stuff at TV Guide. Are you working on like anything big right now? Are you working on like anything big right now? -I'm trying to think what I'm-- -I'm trying to think what I'm-- -It's like -It's like I'll take that as a no. I'll take that as a no. -I am. -I am. I am working on a bunch of stuff for Vikings at the moment. I am working on a bunch of stuff for Vikings at the moment. -Okay. -Okay. Right, right, right. Right, right, right. -Which is my new obsession. -Which is my new obsession. -Okay. -Okay. -And-- -And-- -Best job ever, by the way. -Best job ever, by the way. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And like a bunch of stuff for the Veronica Mars movie obviously. -And like a bunch of stuff for the Veronica Mars movie obviously. -Right, which she's going to see, right, right. -Right, which she's going to see, right, right. -I'm gonna go to a special screening today. -I'm gonna go to a special screening today. -Very exciting. -Very exciting. -And promptly passed out of joy. -And promptly passed out of joy. -Oh, with oh, from excitement. -Oh, with oh, from excitement. I get that. I get that. All right, well, enjoy yourself and thanks for coming. All right, well, enjoy yourself and thanks for coming. -Thank you. -Thank you. -Are you gonna come back? -Are you gonna come back? -Yeah. -Yeah. -All right. -All right. Rock and roll. Rock and roll. And then do-- you have to read this Tumblr. And then do-- you have to read this Tumblr. It's really kind of epic. It's really kind of epic. EverythingYouLeftBehind.tumblr.com. EverythingYouLeftBehind.tumblr.com. We'll have these links in the show notes today. We'll have these links in the show notes today. Head on over to CNET.com/The404 follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and then check out our Subreddit. Head on over to CNET.com/The404 follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and then check out our Subreddit. I put that photo up from yesterday the Chinese photo. I put that photo up from yesterday the Chinese photo. -That looks good. -That looks good. I saw that on Instagram too. I saw that on Instagram too. -Pretty fantastic. -Pretty fantastic. If you don't know what we're talking about, go check out our Instagram or the Subreddit. If you don't know what we're talking about, go check out our Instagram or the Subreddit. That's gonna do it for us today. That's gonna do it for us today. Everyone, have a fantastic weekend. Everyone, have a fantastic weekend. E-mail us the404@cnet.com. E-mail us the404@cnet.com. Have a fantastic weekend. Have a fantastic weekend. Stay out of trouble and thanks again to Saddie Gennis for being here. Stay out of trouble and thanks again to Saddie Gennis for being here. Until Monday, I'm Jeff Bakalar. Until Monday, I'm Jeff Bakalar. -And I'm Justin Yu. -And I'm Justin Yu. -This has been The 404 Show. -This has been The 404 Show. High tech, lowbrow. High tech, lowbrow. See you guys Monday. See you guys Monday. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. -Yeah, let me ask my computer. -Yeah, let me ask my computer. -F the internet. -F the internet. -John Francis Daley. -John Francis Daley. Duh. Duh. -Duh. -Duh. Where were we? Where were we? All right. All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. Okay, very good. Okay, very good. -Can we dip into Saddie's personal life really quick? -Can we dip into Saddie's personal life really quick? -Or did you wanna get to some of our-- -Or did you wanna get to some of our-- -No. -No. -No? -No? Okay. Okay. -These ones are way better. -These ones are way better. -Sure. -Sure. Rocking-- Rocking-- -All right. -All right. Let's just make it all about me. Let's just make it all about me. I'm cool with that. I'm cool with that. -Yeah, let's do it. -Yeah, let's do it. -I mean we could do that but let's save that for the end of the show. -I mean we could do that but let's save that for the end of the show. Right now, I wanna talk about a Tumblr page that you have linked to your Twitter's site and it's called EverythingYouLeftBehind.tumblr.com. Right now, I wanna talk about a Tumblr page that you have linked to your Twitter's site and it's called EverythingYouLeftBehind.tumblr.com. I mean, we're big fans of like single serving I mean, we're big fans of like single serving Tumblrs on this show. Tumblrs on this show. So, of course we're gonna talk about this. So, of course we're gonna talk about this. Can you sort of explain what the concept is? Can you sort of explain what the concept is? Because it's kind of a really creative idea. Because it's kind of a really creative idea. -Well, I date a lot more than-- yeah, this person. -Well, I date a lot more than-- yeah, this person. -I like the start of this location. -I like the start of this location. -Go on. -Go on. -Okay. -Okay. -And one day I was sitting around and I was like wearing the sweatpants and a hoodie, and like reading this book and I realized the book I'm reading, the hoodie, the pants, everything, -And one day I was sitting around and I was like wearing the sweatpants and a hoodie, and like reading this book and I realized the book I'm reading, the hoodie, the pants, everything, -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -was either given to me -was either given to me by a guy or left in my apartment by someone I went out with. by a guy or left in my apartment by someone I went out with. -Scavengers. -Scavengers. -And so I started going through all of my stuff and photographing anything I have left over from someone I was involved in. -And so I started going through all of my stuff and photographing anything I have left over from someone I was involved in. -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -And documenting it on a Tumblr and asking my friends and whoever else to submit what else they have. -And documenting it on a Tumblr and asking my friends and whoever else to submit what else they have. -Okay. -Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, I wanna clarify that's definitely not just you on this. So, I wanna clarify that's definitely not just you on this. -Yes. -Yes. -Because there's a lot of entries like, dude, there's a lot. -Because there's a lot of entries like, dude, there's a lot. -Just the inspiration. -Just the inspiration. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I was like, wow, there's multiple pages here. -I was like, wow, there's multiple pages here. -What-- so, what about this one? -What-- so, what about this one? You must have guy friends that also submit photos because we're looking at a set of lingerie. You must have guy friends that also submit photos because we're looking at a set of lingerie. -Why can't that be a girl? -Why can't that be a girl? That is-- That is-- -Oh, it could be a girl, yeah, of course. -Oh, it could be a girl, yeah, of course. -That is one of my friends. -That is one of my friends. -Okay. -Okay. And she had someone-- And she had someone-- -And lingerie she has from her ex-girlfriend. -And lingerie she has from her ex-girlfriend. -That is pretty amazing. -That is pretty amazing. -There's one entry if you can go back to November 28th. -There's one entry if you can go back to November 28th. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Of 2013 last year. -Of 2013 last year. I just love this crap. I just love this crap. -I don't even know which one. -I don't even know which one. -It's so awesome. -It's so awesome. It's just like a little note. It's just like a little note. Now, is this you? Now, is this you? -This is me. -This is me. -Okay, this is you. -Okay, this is you. Here's a little note ripped out of like a spiral notebook. Here's a little note ripped out of like a spiral notebook. You have, he snuck this into my purse during one of our dates and it's just chicken scratch and it says, I like ya look. You have, he snuck this into my purse during one of our dates and it's just chicken scratch and it says, I like ya look. Thanks, Aron-- is that Aron? Thanks, Aron-- is that Aron? Aron C. He like-- he signed it like a kid would sign his kindergarten homework. Aron C. He like-- he signed it like a kid would sign his kindergarten homework. What's up with that? What's up with that? -Well, we were on a date and he always just tweet me. -Well, we were on a date and he always just tweet me. Like he would never text. Like he would never text. He would tweet like, do you wanna go to Pommes Frites? He would tweet like, do you wanna go to Pommes Frites? -Whoa. -Whoa. -That's weird, -That's weird, man. man. -That's public. -That's public. -Yeah, and so we were sitting at this bar and I was like, you can't tweet me like this. -Yeah, and so we were sitting at this bar and I was like, you can't tweet me like this. -Yes. -Yes. -It seems really uncomfortable. -It seems really uncomfortable. It's not what Twitter is for. It's not what Twitter is for. It makes me feel like your internet a letterhead. It makes me feel like your internet a letterhead. -Right, right, yeah. -Right, right, yeah. It seems like you're using the wrong platform for a thing. It seems like you're using the wrong platform for a thing. -Yes. -Yes. And so then, like a second later I get a notification on my phone and it just say, "@SaddieGennis, I like ya look." And so then, like a second later I get a notification on my phone and it just say, "@SaddieGennis, I like ya look." -Oh, man. -Oh, man. -I like ya look. -I like ya look. -And then I just like ream him out. -And then I just like ream him out. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Like nicely though. -Like nicely though. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Just like, I was still interested in him. -Just like, I was still interested in him. -Right. -Right. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -And then I get home and I'm just -And then I get home and I'm just like, oh, God, like like, oh, God, like -Yeah. -Yeah. -why did he do that. -why did he do that. I reached in my purse to get my MasterCard out and at some point during that conversation he like slipped this note into my purse too. I reached in my purse to get my MasterCard out and at some point during that conversation he like slipped this note into my purse too. -Amazing. -Amazing. -You know what's even creepier is that, who the hell carries around a tiny mini notebook like this? -You know what's even creepier is that, who the hell carries around a tiny mini notebook like this? -Well, I do. -Well, I do. -Yeah. -Yeah. -That's weird. -That's weird. Like what kind of serial killer mannerism is that? Like what kind of serial killer mannerism is that? You jotting down. You jotting down. -No, I-- -No, I-- -Writer. -Writer. -You're a writer. -You're a writer. You're a writer. You're a writer. -Are you a detective? -Are you a detective? -Yeah. -Yeah. -Are you like interviewing people on the flight that you need to like jot down notes to yourself? -Are you like interviewing people on the flight that you need to like jot down notes to yourself? -No, no, that's the least creepiest part of it as far as I'm -No, no, that's the least creepiest part of it as far as I'm concerned. concerned. -Yeah. -Yeah. -What's creep-- -What's creep-- -[unk] a Moleskine for Christ's sake. -[unk] a Moleskine for Christ's sake. -Yeah. -Yeah. -What creeps me out is that he tweeted this at me and he wrote it in a note stuck in my purse. -What creeps me out is that he tweeted this at me and he wrote it in a note stuck in my purse. -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -But he never said it to my face. -But he never said it to my face. -Yeah. -Yeah. Did he talk like that? Did he talk like that? With, you know, like slang-- what is with the ya thing? With, you know, like slang-- what is with the ya thing? -He's from San Francisco. -He's from San Francisco. -I like the way ya look. -I like the way ya look. -He has much love tattooed on his shoulder blade. -He has much love tattooed on his shoulder blade. -What he did? -What he did? What? What? He's what? He's what? -Your threshold for jawbreaker is really, really high. -Your threshold for jawbreaker is really, really high. -Much love. -Much love. -Much love. -Much love. -I know. -I know. -Because he's so creepy. -Because he's so creepy. It's definitely-- It's definitely-- -Saddie, I know why you're-- oh, you get-- -Saddie, I know why you're-- oh, you get-- -What? -What? -Dude, that's a deal breaker. -Dude, that's a deal breaker. -I know. -I know. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Much love. -Much love. -I have some deal breaker. -I have some deal breaker. -Don't put that on San Francisco either because Ariel and I are both from SF. -Don't put that on San Francisco either because Ariel and I are both from SF. -No. -No. -And that is some high-level douche-baggery. -And that is some high-level douche-baggery. -Yeah. -Yeah. That is beyond SF's capability. That is beyond SF's capability. -The occasion that-- -The occasion that-- -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Ariel is like, I'm offended. -Ariel is like, I'm offended. Nice. Nice. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What were you saying? What were you saying? -Oh, I was gonna is, the only location that I've written off, -Oh, I was gonna is, the only location that I've written off, -Yeah. -Yeah. -Connecticut. -Connecticut. -Uh-hmm, really? -Uh-hmm, really? -I don't date people from Connecticut anymore. -I don't date people from Connecticut anymore. -Well, it's a big pool. -Well, it's a big pool. -Yeah, that is big, -Yeah, that is big, -Yeah. -Yeah. -because a lot of commuters from New York-- -because a lot of commuters from New York-- -I know. -I know. I've dated a lot of people from Connecticut. I've dated a lot of people from Connecticut. -What is it about -What is it about that state? that state? -There are-- no offense someone from Connecticut. -There are-- no offense someone from Connecticut. -They seem to be very nice. -They seem to be very nice. -They're super nice. -They're super nice. -Yeah. -Yeah. -But then they just say these things because usually they're very sheltered. -But then they just say these things because usually they're very sheltered. -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -And so sometimes they'll just say these slightly misogynistic or like kind of like homophobic thing. -And so sometimes they'll just say these slightly misogynistic or like kind of like homophobic thing. -Really? -Really? No. No. Connecticut is super progressive. Connecticut is super progressive. -It's just a bunch of like upper class white people hanging out with upper class white people. -It's just a bunch of like upper class white people hanging out with upper class white people. -I guess they do have a lot of yachts. -I guess they do have a lot of yachts. -A lot of universities. -A lot of universities. -Yeah. -Yeah. -There's a lot of yachts, there's a lot of like cardigan sweaters. -There's a lot of yachts, there's a lot of like cardigan sweaters. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Which, you know, -Which, you know, I love the cardigan which is why I keep dating guys from Connecticut. I love the cardigan which is why I keep dating guys from Connecticut. -Does the cycle continue over and over? -Does the cycle continue over and over? All right. All right. Fine. Fine. We got a Connecticut ban on possibly Saddie boyfriend. We got a Connecticut ban on possibly Saddie boyfriend. No problem with that. No problem with that. I got no problem with that. I got no problem with that. -You know, but like you know, I'll break a rule of someone who has a nice enough beard. -You know, but like you know, I'll break a rule of someone who has a nice enough beard. -Really? -Really? Are you-- you're a beard-- Are you-- you're a beard-- -Obsessed. -Obsessed. -Okay. -Okay. Makes me feel good. Makes me feel good. All right. All right. Right on. Right on. So, I mean, check out this site. So, I mean, check out this site. It's pretty rad, EverythingYouLeftBehind.tumblr.com. It's pretty rad, EverythingYouLeftBehind.tumblr.com. I wanna-- I wish I could like I wanna-- I wish I could like submit to this but I feel I don't have the required relationship status. submit to this but I feel I don't have the required relationship status. -You have to have something left over. -You have to have something left over. -I mean, when you get as old as I am, -I mean, when you get as old as I am, -Oh, yeah, you're ancient. -Oh, yeah, you're ancient. -no, not at all. -no, not at all. I'm just saying like I've been with my now wife for a very long time. I'm just saying like I've been with my now wife for a very long time. So, So, -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -I mean, -I mean, -My mom-- -My mom-- -I have like shattered memories in my brain that I can't manifest into your website but that's about it. -I have like shattered memories in my brain that I can't manifest into your website but that's about it. -My mom submitted things and she's been married twice and I'm talking like boyfriends from high school for her. -My mom submitted things and she's been married twice and I'm talking like boyfriends from high school for her. -Oh, wow. -Oh, wow. -Wow. -Wow. She kept that stuff for a long time. She kept that stuff for a long time. -Yeah. -Yeah. She actually gave me a pair of pants. She actually gave me a pair of pants. I think that was her high school like boyfriend. I think that was her high school like boyfriend. -Wow. -Wow. -I know. -I know. -All right. -All right. Well, I'm sure someone listening is gonna have an awesome thing that they can post. Well, I'm sure someone listening is gonna have an awesome thing that they can post. In fact, we hear-- we get e-mails about people's wackadoo relationships all the time. In fact, we hear-- we get e-mails about people's wackadoo relationships all the time. So hopefully there's something-- why did you laugh? So hopefully there's something-- why did you laugh? -Good stuff here. -Good stuff here. -It's really, really good. -It's really, really good. -Like I'm looking at this entry-- -Like I'm looking at this entry-- -You sit on a gold mine. -You sit on a gold mine. -Yeah, on November 20th, 2013 and you posted a photo of a Nightcrawler comic book that a dude gave you for -Yeah, on November 20th, 2013 and you posted a photo of a Nightcrawler comic book that a dude gave you for 16th birthday present. 16th birthday present. -That's really cute. -That's really cute. -I'm hoping he was also 16 because if he was older that'd be shameful. -I'm hoping he was also 16 because if he was older that'd be shameful. -He was 18. -He was 18. -That seems too old. -That seems too old. -That's cool-- -That's cool-- -Yeah. -Yeah. -Well, he's like I'm dating the 16-year-old like kind of guy. -Well, he's like I'm dating the 16-year-old like kind of guy. -Yeah, what does she like? -Yeah, what does she like? -I like Nightcrawler. -I like Nightcrawler. -Wait, were you actually into Nightcrawler? -Wait, were you actually into Nightcrawler? -No, I love Nightcrawler. -No, I love Nightcrawler. -Oh, that's right. -Oh, that's right. -Amazing, man. -Amazing, man. Okay. Okay. -He's my favorite, he's one of my favorite characters. -He's my favorite, he's one of my favorite characters. -He is my favorite which is why he got me that comic. -He is my favorite which is why he got me that comic. -He's your favorite Marvel character? -He's your favorite Marvel character? -Oh, I thought we're just talking X-Men. -Oh, I thought we're just talking X-Men. -Oh, he's my favorite. -Oh, he's my favorite. Clearly your favorite. Clearly your favorite. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Not so bad though. -Not so bad though. -Well, you mean, you don't know what he smells. -Well, you mean, you don't know what he smells. -It's true. -It's true. Everytime he teleports he leaves a really bad Everytime he teleports he leaves a really bad smell, right? smell, right? -Oh, when he teleports. -Oh, when he teleports. That's the-- see, everything-- That's the-- see, everything-- -But he wouldn't be teleporting away from me. -But he wouldn't be teleporting away from me. -That's right. -That's right. Oh, that's a good point. Oh, that's a good point. I smell fan fiction. I smell fan fiction. -Well, time out. -Well, time out. If you wanna go get something real quick you might. If you wanna go get something real quick you might. He was like, oh, I forgot it's your birthday-- I love Nightcrawler. He was like, oh, I forgot it's your birthday-- I love Nightcrawler. I didn't realize that though. I didn't realize that though. -He's a good guy. -He's a good guy. -That's so tragic. -That's so tragic. He has this amazing power but it's like-- just a buy product just like stink ass, yeah. He has this amazing power but it's like-- just a buy product just like stink ass, yeah. -Why didn't he bring Febreze with him? -Why didn't he bring Febreze with him? -He's just-- oh, he's got one on his like little -He's just-- oh, he's got one on his like little belt. belt. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Man, Alan Cummings was a good Nightcrawler. -Man, Alan Cummings was a good Nightcrawler. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He was really good. He was really good. -Oh, my God, he was amazing. -Oh, my God, he was amazing. -He was a lot of fun. -He was a lot of fun. Well, we are all over the place right now. Well, we are all over the place right now. Okay. Okay. You wanna get grounded here? You wanna get grounded here? Or you wanna do a story? Or you wanna do a story? What do you wanna do? What do you wanna do? Or do you just wanna say, hey, let's wrap this up. Or do you just wanna say, hey, let's wrap this up. -Guest's choice. -Guest's choice. -Yeah, would you like to get into one of our stories or do you just wanna get out of here? -Yeah, would you like to get into one of our stories or do you just wanna get out of here? You have some place to be? You have some place to be? -Let's do this. -Let's do this. -Okay. -Okay. I like it. I like it. All right, I like it. All right, I like it. Let's give Saddie the choice. Let's give Saddie the choice. How about that? How about that? -Oh, Lord. -Oh, Lord. -Okay? -Okay? Is that okay? Is that okay? -Sure. -Sure. -All right. -All right. We can We can either talk about a new social network for drunk people. either talk about a new social network for drunk people. -Intrigued. -Intrigued. -People-- what's wrong with people who say they hate kinds of music. -People-- what's wrong with people who say they hate kinds of music. -Or no, hate music, period. -Or no, hate music, period. -Oh, I'm sorry, right, right, right. -Oh, I'm sorry, right, right, right. -There are some people that just hate music and that's a-- -There are some people that just hate music and that's a-- -I know. -I know. There's a lot. There's a lot. Maybe we'll do [unk] or about how doing three minutes of Tetris can reduce certain cravings? Maybe we'll do [unk] or about how doing three minutes of Tetris can reduce certain cravings? -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -All right. -All right. That just sounds like nonsense. That just sounds like nonsense. -Right. -Right. Well, what I mean is it's a fact, Jack, so-- Well, what I mean is it's a fact, Jack, so-- -I wanna hear about the social network for -I wanna hear about the social network for drunk people, drunk people, -Fair. -Fair. -because you know, I'm a person who gets drunk. -because you know, I'm a person who gets drunk. -Right. -Right. -Yeah. -Yeah. -So, I can relate to this possibly. -So, I can relate to this possibly. -Let me just give you some advice. -Let me just give you some advice. Enjoy it while you can. Enjoy it while you can. That's my only advice. That's my only advice. No, I'm joking. No, I'm joking. Okay, the site, what is it called? Okay, the site, what is it called? -It's called Livr, L-I-V-R, -It's called Livr, L-I-V-R, -I got it. -I got it. -which is sort of like the trend to leave out some vowels. -which is sort of like the trend to leave out some vowels. -That last vowel. -That last vowel. -I am surprised with this. -I am surprised with this. I mean, I don't drink myself but I would imagine if I did drink, it wouldn't be really difficult to find other people that are also drunk, right? I mean, I don't drink myself but I would imagine if I did drink, it wouldn't be really difficult to find other people that are also drunk, right? -Right. -Right. -I thought -I thought there were places you can go to find people like that. there were places you can go to find people like that. -Wait. -Wait. This is Grindr for drinking. This is Grindr for drinking. -Yeah. -Yeah. It's not exactly a dating website though, although I'm sure people would use it to hook up. It's not exactly a dating website though, although I'm sure people would use it to hook up. -Right. -Right. -So-- -So-- -It's crazy to me it's like-- okay, go on. -It's crazy to me it's like-- okay, go on. -No, no, no. -No, no, no. What were you gonna say? What were you gonna say? -I was just gonna say like the whole point of drinking, as far as I've been able to tell, -I was just gonna say like the whole point of drinking, as far as I've been able to tell, -Yeah. -Yeah. -is to like lower your inhibitions, get some liquid courage and start talking to people. -is to like lower your inhibitions, get some liquid courage and start talking to people. -Right. -Right. Not going-- Not going-- -Hook up and to-- yeah, not just be like, okay, I'm where I need to be right now. -Hook up and to-- yeah, not just be like, okay, I'm where I need to be right now. -Right. -Right. -And be right to your phone. -And be right to your phone. -Right. -Right. -You know, right? -You know, right? You're at the bar anyway. You're at the bar anyway. -Yeah. -Yeah. It always, I mean, you guys should explain this to me but I never understood like why people had to create games around drinking? It always, I mean, you guys should explain this to me but I never understood like why people had to create games around drinking? I thought like drinking itself was like the game but-- I thought like drinking itself was like the game but-- -Well, the younger you are the less you enjoy the act though, you kind of just want to take a shortcut to the end results. -Well, the younger you are the less you enjoy the act though, you kind of just want to take a shortcut to the end results. -Wait, yeah. -Wait, yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. You're drinking like nutty eyes. You're drinking like nutty eyes. -Yeah. -Yeah. -You don't really wanna sit around savor that. -You don't really wanna sit around savor that. -Right. -Right. -Yeah, like when you're in college you have no money so you're buying very bad quality beer -Yeah, like when you're in college you have no money so you're buying very bad quality beer -Yeah. -Yeah. -or liquor. -or liquor. -Okay. -Okay. -So, you just wanna -So, you just wanna expedite that process as efficiently as possible. expedite that process as efficiently as possible. -That's right. -That's right. -Should be playing a game like, you've heard like power hour, right? -Should be playing a game like, you've heard like power hour, right? -Yeah. -Yeah. -So, that's the point of that. -So, that's the point of that. Yeah. Yeah. -All right. -All right. Sounds like fun. Sounds like fun. Well, this is sort of similar to that. Well, this is sort of similar to that. It's basically the gamification of alcoholism. It's basically the gamification of alcoholism. It sounds like. It sounds like. So, the point is the social network Livr when you sign up for it, I don't think you have to pay for it just yet but when you do sign up they'll actually send you this little attachment that plugs into the bottom of your iPhone and it's basically a breathalyzer. So, the point is the social network Livr when you sign up for it, I don't think you have to pay for it just yet but when you do sign up they'll actually send you this little attachment that plugs into the bottom of your iPhone and it's basically a breathalyzer. It's a blood It's a blood alcohol analyzer attachment they call it. alcohol analyzer attachment they call it. -You've blown a point one. -You've blown a point one. -Yeah. -Yeah. -There are 38 people within a mile. -There are 38 people within a mile. -That's exactly what it does. -That's exactly what it does. It's not even a joke. It's not even a joke. The thing is you can't even access the app until you've blown a certain alcohol level into the breathalyzer. The thing is you can't even access the app until you've blown a certain alcohol level into the breathalyzer. -Are you serious? -Are you serious? -This is absurd. -This is absurd. -Yeah, you can't join the social network until you're drunk. -Yeah, you can't join the social network until you're drunk. And then once you do that, the more drunk you are the more features and games that get unlocked on the phone. And then once you do that, the more drunk you are the more features and games that get unlocked on the phone. -So, it's not to meet other people who are also drunk in your area. -So, it's not to meet other people who are also drunk in your area. -Yeah. -Yeah. -It's you get drunk by yourself and -It's you get drunk by yourself and play a game. play a game. -And then go. -And then go. Yeah. Yeah. -On your phone. -On your phone. -The game is actually leaving your house. -The game is actually leaving your house. -Right. -Right. -Like if you do that as far as I'm concerned you've won. -Like if you do that as far as I'm concerned you've won. -Yeah. -Yeah. That's it and it's-- That's it and it's-- -It's like the biggest challenge for that, dude. -It's like the biggest challenge for that, dude. -Yeah, Jumanji. -Yeah, Jumanji. -Jumanji. -Jumanji. -So, yeah, one of the features sounds pretty cool. -So, yeah, one of the features sounds pretty cool. It basically unlocks the map of other people that are playing the game around you, sort of like Grindr. It basically unlocks the map of other people that are playing the game around you, sort of like Grindr. -This sounds terrible dangerous for women. -This sounds terrible dangerous for women. -Yes. -Yes. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Exactly. -Exactly. -It is a map of inebriated women. -It is a map of inebriated women. -Yeah. -Yeah. And it's exactly their blood alcohol level too. And it's exactly their blood alcohol level too. -This is horrifying. -This is horrifying. -It's just a -It's just a [unk] going in random directions. [unk] going in random directions. -Yeah. -Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. -Bumping in stuff. -Bumping in stuff. -Then it gives you walking directions to tell you exactly where to go to find them. -Then it gives you walking directions to tell you exactly where to go to find them. -Oh, my God. -Oh, my God. -Jesus. -Jesus. That's hilarious but very sad at the same time. That's hilarious but very sad at the same time. -Yeah. -Yeah. So, there's a map and then there's a drunk dial feature. So, there's a map and then there's a drunk dial feature. You gotta tell me if you would actually use this. You gotta tell me if you would actually use this. So, once you're good and drunk enough, you can press this drunk dial feature that basically connects you on a phone call with a random person in your area that is also drunk and also looking at their phone. So, once you're good and drunk enough, you can press this drunk dial feature that basically connects you on a phone call with a random person in your area that is also drunk and also looking at their phone. -I'm sorry, man. -I'm sorry, man. -That's genius to me. -That's genius to me. I love to hear that-- I love to hear that-- -It really is kind of smart the whole, you know, the systemic sort of situation in relies on. -It really is kind of smart the whole, you know, the systemic sort of situation in relies on. -Yeah. -Yeah. -But at the same time it's like they are doing all the works. -But at the same time it's like they are doing all the works. Like how-- it's getting to the point where like all you really need is a pause. Like how-- it's getting to the point where like all you really need is a pause. -Yeah. -Yeah. And it's implying that if you're drunk you will be friends with anybody else that's also drunk. And it's implying that if you're drunk you will be friends with anybody else that's also drunk. -Right. -Right. Well, which is the same. Well, which is the same. -I think they'll be more criteria to that. -I think they'll be more criteria to that. -Makes sense though. -Makes sense though. -I have a question though. -I have a question though. -Sure. -Sure. -Is there ever like a certain level of drunk where are no more -Is there ever like a certain level of drunk where are no more features to unlock and it's like stop you're gonna die? features to unlock and it's like stop you're gonna die? -Right, right, right. -Right, right, right. Like death eminent. Like death eminent. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Or like go to the hospital. -Or like go to the hospital. -Three miles away. -Three miles away. -Yes. -Yes. -They should connect it with Uber. -They should connect it with Uber. That would be genius. That would be genius. -That would be. -That would be. -If there's a hub partner with Uber that was gonna cap [unk]. -If there's a hub partner with Uber that was gonna cap [unk]. -Yeah. -Yeah. Uber is not trying to get like a bunch of puking cars though. Uber is not trying to get like a bunch of puking cars though. -This is true. -This is true. It's like your private car. It's like your private car. -Yeah. -Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Just the one screenshot they have, it's like check mark, you blew a .08, Just the one screenshot they have, it's like check mark, you blew a .08, -Yeah. -Yeah. -welcome. -welcome. -Yeah. -Yeah. Enjoy. Enjoy. -It's like, open -It's like, open sesame. sesame. That's-- That's-- -The coolest thing is that-- so you know, you do whatever you want during the night. -The coolest thing is that-- so you know, you do whatever you want during the night. Whatever regrets you have the following morning, you can actually erase everything that happens in the app. Whatever regrets you have the following morning, you can actually erase everything that happens in the app. The text message you sent to other users, everything. The text message you sent to other users, everything. You can erase with a black out button. You can erase with a black out button. So, it's basically like the following morning, you hate yourself, press this button, nothing ever happened. So, it's basically like the following morning, you hate yourself, press this button, nothing ever happened. -It's like the Men in Black clicker. -It's like the Men in Black clicker. -Yeah or you could do the opposite and if you had a lot of fun, you know, how many regrets you can publish it all to your social networks so that your mom can see what a drunker you are. -Yeah or you could do the opposite and if you had a lot of fun, you know, how many regrets you can publish it all to your social networks so that your mom can see what a drunker you are. -And then there's like -And then there's like the I feel lucky button where like you know, can ever review it. the I feel lucky button where like you know, can ever review it. -Yeah. -Yeah. -You can post there and undo. -You can post there and undo. Very good. Very good. Do we have time for one more? Do we have time for one more? -I don't know. -I don't know. Ariel? Ariel? -Let's do one more. -Let's do one more. Do we have time for one more? Do we have time for one more? -Yes. -Yes. -All right. -All right. I wanna talk-- I wanna do the people who hate music thing. I wanna talk-- I wanna do the people who hate music thing. -Yeah, this is so weird. -Yeah, this is so weird. -How is that even a thing? -How is that even a thing? -I know people who hate music. -I know people who hate music. -I've heard that like I've come across it a couple of times, -I've heard that like I've come across it a couple of times, -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -and I just assume they're trying to be like, you know-- -and I just assume they're trying to be like, you know-- -Opinionated. -Opinionated. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah, just cause drama. -Yeah, just cause drama. -Right. -Right. And And perhaps that might be true in some instances. perhaps that might be true in some instances. I legitimately know people who just I'll be like in a car with them and be like, what do you wanna listen to? I legitimately know people who just I'll be like in a car with them and be like, what do you wanna listen to? I don't really like music. I don't really like music. What? What? -Yeah. -Yeah. -What? -What? Do you like anything? Do you like anything? Do you like food? Do you like food? -Right. -Right. I'm completely the opposite. I'm completely the opposite. You know, I'm sure you and Ariel and I'm sure you are the same way. You know, I'm sure you and Ariel and I'm sure you are the same way. Like right when I get home I just have to put music on this. Like right when I get home I just have to put music on this. I think it's probably a generation-- I think it's probably a generation-- -Oh, no. -Oh, no. -Listen to music a lot everyday. -Listen to music a lot everyday. -Yeah. -Yeah. Like I just always have to have music on. Like I just always have to have music on. Is that not the case? Is that not the case? -I listen to a lot of TV. -I listen to a lot of TV. -Uh-huh. -Uh-huh. -Like I'll put on SVU. -Like I'll put on SVU. -Oh, okay. -Oh, okay. -When I'm like cleaning or something in my house and I listen to it like a radio drama. -When I'm like cleaning or something in my house and I listen to it like a radio drama. -Oh, that's cool. -Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. -Like I always need to have like be listening to something. -Like I always need to have like be listening to something. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -But it's rarely music. -But it's rarely music. -Huh. -Huh. -It's interesting. -It's interesting. -Are you able to follow along with the plot while you're doing other stuff? -Are you able to follow along with the plot while you're doing other stuff? Like you're completely multitasking? Like you're completely multitasking? -Haven't you ever seen this for you? -Haven't you ever seen this for you? It's all verbal exposition. It's all verbal exposition. -That's true. -That's true. It's all the same. It's all the same. -That's why I love it so much, you know, you don't have to think that much. -That's why I love it so much, you know, you don't have to think that much. -That's amazing. -That's amazing. What a revelation. What a revelation. -That is true. -That is true. That-- wow. That-- wow. -It's amazing. -It's amazing. -Screening television-- -Screening television-- -Brilliant. -Brilliant. Just a black screen with voices. Just a black screen with voices. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Why not? -Why not? Sign me up. Sign me up. But it's true. But it's true. Some people get no joy. Some people get no joy. Have no happiness associated with listening to music. Have no happiness associated with listening to music. You do listen to music. You do listen to music. -Yeah. -Yeah. When I'm on commute and I'm not reading. When I'm on commute and I'm not reading. -Uh-hmm. -Uh-hmm. -Right. -Right. Exactly. Exactly. I can't listen to music and read either. I can't listen to music and read either. I think that's like very distracting. I think that's like very distracting. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Justin listens to music and does everything. -Justin listens to music and does everything. -Yeah. -Yeah. -It's kind of crazy. -It's kind of crazy. -I have to. -I have to. -An amazing skill you have. -An amazing skill you have. -It's an important thing in New York too just because it's like you -It's an important thing in New York too just because it's like you wanna puck out everything that's happening around you. wanna puck out everything that's happening around you. I don't know. I don't know. Even if I'm not listening to music I always have headphones and, but-- Even if I'm not listening to music I always have headphones and, but-- -Oh, me too. -Oh, me too. -regardless, yeah, there's definitely portion of the population. -regardless, yeah, there's definitely portion of the population. It's more than I thought but 5% of the people that walk amongst us are freaking mutants and they hate music. It's more than I thought but 5% of the people that walk amongst us are freaking mutants and they hate music. -It's crazy. -It's crazy. It's almost like a disability. It's almost like a disability. -Right. -Right. Well, it is a disability because it's not like they just dislike music, they are physiologically predisposed to not liking music. Well, it is a disability because it's not like they just dislike music, they are physiologically predisposed to not liking music. It's a congenital thing to do. It's a congenital thing to do. -That's sad. -That's sad. -Curse. -Curse. Curse. Curse. -Yeah, it's really sad. -Yeah, it's really sad. It's called amusia and the other word It's called amusia and the other word for amusia is something that we've all probably heard of. for amusia is something that we've all probably heard of. -Dickhead. -Dickhead. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. -Being a dumbass. -Being a dumbass. -Being a-- -Being a-- -No, it's being tone deaf. -No, it's being tone deaf. And I always thought being tone deaf just meant that you just can't sing. And I always thought being tone deaf just meant that you just can't sing. -Couldn't-- -Couldn't-- -Yeah. -Yeah. But it's not that. But it's not that. It's that you literally can't hear tones and that's what amusia is. It's that you literally can't hear tones and that's what amusia is. -So, it's like nothing is pleasing to you because you can't appreciate harmony. -So, it's like nothing is pleasing to you because you can't appreciate harmony. -Right. -Right. Yeah. Yeah. There are-- I've looked up videos about this interviewing suffers of amusia online. There are-- I've looked up videos about this interviewing suffers of amusia online. -Amusia. -Amusia. -And they describe it as, when they listen to music it sounds like a bunch of pots are clinging on the -And they describe it as, when they listen to music it sounds like a bunch of pots are clinging on the floor. floor. Like they just went to the kitchen and like release everything that was in its container. Like they just went to the kitchen and like release everything that was in its container. -Like [unk]. -Like [unk]. -Yeah, and that's crazy. -Yeah, and that's crazy. -That's amazing. -That's amazing. -And they find it irritating and they just can't stand it. -And they find it irritating and they just can't stand it. It's like nails on a chalkboard to them. It's like nails on a chalkboard to them. -If anyone listening or watching our show suffers from amusia, -If anyone listening or watching our show suffers from amusia, -Yeah. -Yeah. -please ride in. -please ride in. I wanna hear about this first hand. I wanna hear about this first hand. -Right. -Right. -It's like amazing. -It's like amazing. -It's kind of scary. -It's kind of scary. -It is. -It is. -And it's sad too for people that live in Eastern countries like China where the language is largely based on -And it's sad too for people that live in Eastern countries like China where the language is largely based on tones. tones. It's sort of a musical language like Cantonese or Mandarin where things-- words can change based on how you pronounce them, tone watch. It's sort of a musical language like Cantonese or Mandarin where things-- words can change based on how you pronounce them, tone watch. -Right. -Right. Sure, sure. Sure, sure. -And for those people, apparently if you have amusia in those countries, you're not able to understand or oftentimes even speak language. -And for those people, apparently if you have amusia in those countries, you're not able to understand or oftentimes even speak language. So that can be like a completely different set of problems aside from just being a jerk to everyone. So that can be like a completely different set of problems aside from just being a jerk to everyone. -Oh, you blow my mind, man. -Oh, you blow my mind, man. -Yeah, that's terrible. -Yeah, that's terrible. -That is terrible. -That is terrible. -It's like the opposite of synesthesia. -It's like the opposite of synesthesia. -Right. -Right. Right, right, right. Right, right, right. -Where the people can like see colors based on the music they listen to. -Where the people can like see colors based on the music they listen to. -It's crazy. -It's crazy. -I know. -I know. -I mean, I know people who just-- the people I know, this is not what they suffer from. -I mean, I know people who just-- the people I know, this is not what they suffer from. They're just very uncultured. They're just very uncultured. -Yeah. -Yeah. -They just don't appreciate anything. -They just don't appreciate anything. -Those are all haters I think. -Those are all haters I think. -Yeah, they're haters. -Yeah, they're haters. All right. All right. Well, we're not haters, neither Saddie Gennis. Well, we're not haters, neither Saddie Gennis. Do yourself a favor, follow her on Twitter $SaddieGennis and then read all of her stuff at TV Guide. Do yourself a favor, follow her on Twitter $SaddieGennis and then read all of her stuff at TV Guide. Are you working on like anything big right now? Are you working on like anything big right now? -I'm trying to think what I'm-- -I'm trying to think what I'm-- -It's like -It's like I'll take that as a no. I'll take that as a no. -I am. -I am. I am working on a bunch of stuff for Vikings at the moment. I am working on a bunch of stuff for Vikings at the moment. -Okay. -Okay. Right, right, right. Right, right, right. -Which is my new obsession. -Which is my new obsession. -Okay. -Okay. -And-- -And-- -Best job ever, by the way. -Best job ever, by the way. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And like a bunch of stuff for the Veronica Mars movie obviously. -And like a bunch of stuff for the Veronica Mars movie obviously. -Right, which she's going to see, right, right. -Right, which she's going to see, right, right. -I'm gonna go to a special screening today. -I'm gonna go to a special screening today. -Very exciting. -Very exciting. -And promptly passed out of joy. -And promptly passed out of joy. -Oh, with oh, from excitement. -Oh, with oh, from excitement. I get that. I get that. All right, well, enjoy yourself and thanks for coming. All right, well, enjoy yourself and thanks for coming. -Thank you. -Thank you. -Are you gonna come back? -Are you gonna come back? -Yeah. -Yeah. -All right. -All right. Rock and roll. Rock and roll. And then do-- you have to read this Tumblr. 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