Robotic braking about to become the new normal (AutoComplete Ep. 10)Milestone deal promises automatic braking on most cars by 2022; how much range will Tesla Model 3 really have at $35k? And pickup trucks become the unlikely arena for camera wars.
[MUSIC] Welcome to Auto Complete. This is the Roadshow's weekly podcast about the intersection of cars and technology. I'm Brian Cooley, editor-at-large for Roadshow joined as usual by Tim Stevens, our editor-in-chief. And we kick things off. This week, with some breaking news, as of this Thursday, the Thursday we're taping this show, which is that there is now a new agreement between the federal government, and 20 carmakers who account for basically every car made and sold in the U.S., To install automatic emergency braking no later than the fall of 2022. And Tim, this is a big piece of safety tech, along the lines of supplemental restraint airbags and ABS and stability control It also comes from the world of self driving cars. Absolutely. This means that these cars will have to have some more sensors onboard to be able to detect collisions and automatically break themselves, but ultimately, we've seen these systems starting to roll out and come out into cars now Having a really big impact. Cars with this sort of technology are a lot safer to be had. They can help to save a lot of accidents and save lives too, which is great to see. So having them mandated in car, I think, is a good thing. We've got 20 manufacturers, as you've mentioned, who have signed on right now. Not until 2022, though, which is Quite a ways a way but then again, we've only just got ABS regulations required in cars just a couple years ago. [LAUGH] Along with traction control. So that took well over a decade. Almost two decades. So, I guess it's to be expected. Yeah, so there are critics of this, actually, who say that because this is an agreement and not a formal rule-making regulation. They went through the usual rulemaking process. They feel it's a little bit soft and maybe one where the definition of how automatic braking works at each car maker is going to vary somewhat. So the critics over on the safety side are concerned that this is Lucy Goosy. The feds say if we'd gone with formal rulemaking it would have taken several years longer To get this in place, and so they say, look, it's expedient. I guess we have to wait and see exactly how each carmaker implements emergency braking, but I mean, common sense, I can't imagine this isn't a major, major improvement Yeah, it's definitely a step in the right direction, even if it is gonna be on every single car out there. But again, you have to remember that these cars take on average five years to develop, so even a car, even if this regulation goes in place in six years, that's still cutting it pretty close for a lot of these manufacturers who don't have this technology already. Companies like Maserati for example, one of the 20 that signed on. So they got to develop this technology or go to a third party more likely to pick up the tech in house. It's gonna take time, but it would have been nice to get across the board and who knows may be we'll get there a few years later. But it looks like it's almost every car. By September 1, 2022, and by September 1, 2025 for you truck drivers, they expect to have the same agreement that almost all production vehicles will have This technology or at least offer it. So, there's some details there about exactly what is standard and what is available that are, of course, part of what's to be seen from each car maker. And part of what some of the safety critics feel is a little bit porous there. By the way, some numbers on this. The consensus is that the automatic emergency braking, once it's Fully deployed over a number of coming years after this takes place could reduce as many as one-fifth of all accidents could be avoided with this. Of course, the huge number of those are going to be rear-end collisions, and I would imagine the huge number of those are going to be distracted driver. Rear end collision so thank you smartphone, you just ushered in [LAUGH] automatic breaking right? [LAUGH] Absolutely well, you know, you're going to take your excuses where you can get them to get this sort of technology in a car. So ultimately it's a good thing but yeah obviously distracted driving is a huge problem and hopefully this will help with the collisions as well. But yeah obviously rear endings are a big, big issue. And this will make things a lot easier [UNKNOWN] You know, frankly I'm not so eager about having it, not in my '88 Ford, anytime soon. [LAUGH] But definitely, I'm eager in the other guy having it cuz this is the accident that I dread the most Right. That's right. Sitting there and seeing some guy behind you. It's like, wow Do you really see me? You're closing really fast. Let's talk about dieselgate. There's nothing substantially new for the consumers in the US this week. The next sure to drop is going to be the pending March 24th deadline we've been telling you about, where the 9th Circuit Court judge, Justice Breyer, wants to see the Volkswagen show up by that date, a week from now, with a satisfactory plan for EPA and for California. But in the meantime, for those who are following the inside baseball on this, the head of Volkswagen North America exited after six months on the job and he was the crisis This guys who was brought it.,Micheal [UNKNOWN]. So it just doesn't look good over there right now. No, and we're coming into the New York auto show next week which is right when that expected day is supposed to head. So we're expecting more kowtowing from [UNKNOWN] by whether we get anything more concrete that remains to be seen. I would love to see VW come right out and give us details on exactly what they want to do. The dates certainly line up so if they wanted to do that would be a good opportunity but ultimately at every auto show since this all started to break last year it's just been a lot of apologies and some kind of half hearted attempts at winning people back but no actual concrete details here in the U.S. anyway so I'm hoping in New York next week we get something but not exactly holding my breath. Yeah okay, we'll be on top of that for everybody who's watching and has Volkswagen or Audi product, the primary effected vehicles in the US, and a few Porsches. What's going on here is that we have three possible plans for you that are shaping up in concept. The rather remote possibility that they would buy your car back. The more mainstream possibility is they would have a fix to change hardware and software in your vehicle to get it to be compliant. And then more recently, we've heard talk from some regulators saying look, let's be pragmatic here. They may never get this thing fixed right, and buy backs may not be feasible. We may just have to grant a waiver to a lot of these cars and left them live out their life on the road polluting In which case they're also gonna pursue, of course, heavy penalties against Volkswagen Group to, sort of, off-set that with fund that would then promote clean vehicles while these 600,000 cars are anything but. Let's see, the test of model three of course has no emissions. This is going completely the opposite way. We're still on track for some big days ahead, Tim, with. March 31, formal unveil of the model three down at their L.A headquarters design studio, you'll be there I think, is that right? Right, I got my invite this week, the event's in just about two week from now and theyd id say to expect to go in a spin in our latest creation. So [INAUDIBLE] they will actually have a functional car there, at least that's my interpretation of that language anyway We weren't really sure what to expect and how far away we think the model 3 is still going to be. I wouldn't be surprised if they just roll out some pictures of the thing, they never actually showed us an actual car. But they did say they did expect to go for a spin, so that's a good thing. So that means that there's Something that's rolling anyway, looking forward to trying that out, getting a feel for what exactly they have to show. We really don't have a lot of information to go on other than a silhouette that looks a lot like a slightly smaller model S. There was also some supposedly leaked images of a supposedly mid-sized crossover SUV from [UNKNOWN] that's coming down the road this week. Which I don't put a lot of faith in, to be honest with you. I think we're just expecting a four-door sedan, a smaller car like the model S. That's what I'm expecting to see on the 31st, but I'm eager to get behind the wheel. Okay, Dan will be there on the 31st, he'll be covering for us for Road Show. We'll have breaking news News that day. That's an evening Pacific time event. Is that right Tim? That's right. I think it's 7:30 Pacific is when things get going. It's going to be a bit of a late night if you're on the east coast or heaven forbid even in Europe. It's gonna be an especially late night. But we'll do our best to bring the news to you as quickly as we can. Yes, so we'll have that for you on the 31st, and the next day we understand is when Tesla will open up their online preorders for $1,000 you can take a reservation place in line to get a model 3. And just to recap for those that are trying to keep track of all these Tesla models, this is their BMW 3 or Audi A4 competitor, supposed to be about a $35,000 car, and apparently that's even before incentives so they're really shooting at Chevy Volt. Price targeting. Is that how you understand it? That's right, but they haven't really said exactly what range you should expect for that money. Even if you can get it out the door for a $35,000 Tesla, as we've seen with the Model S and the Model X, you can certainly option those up quite a bit. They offer multiple levels of batter pack. Right now they're 70 and then 90. And you're looking at a pretty substantial cost increase as you go from one model to the next. So it could be more like a $40,000 to $45,000 car if you want the full 200 plus range on the thing. That remains to be seen. The Chevy Bolt is gonna be 200 mile range for around $30,000, $35,000. This may be more to get that full range. But even so, a Tesla at $30,000 even if it doesn't have 200 miles range, that sounds pretty good to me. Yeah, this is definitely showing, among other things, that the Bolt, with a B, is looking like the EV to beat this year. I mean, that price and that range, no one else is able to quite put that together. So we'll see if they can do that, or if like you mentioned It's gonna be a tiered battery level where you gotta spend another, who knows, six, seven, 8,000 to get the higher range car, as is often their style. Interesting move by General Motors, a lot of interesting moves by them lately, [LAUGH] as they first invested and then swallowed up Lyft, and now They've got an acquisition of a company that a lot of folks didn't know about called Cruise Automation. They made a really interesting clip on, if you wanna call it that, a rig you put on the roof of an Audi A4, $10,000 you'd pay for this rig. It would wire into the sensors and the solenoids of the vehicle. And create a highway self-driving car out of it. It was a really interesting startup add-on kit for just one model of Audi. GM liked it so much they bought it supposedly, according to Recode for a billion dollars, to apparently accelerate their ability to put in self driving, but, I've got to ask you Jim. I mean, General Motors has a lot of resources. Lots of engineers. Lots of software. Lots of partnerships. What do you think that they had to get from a company like Cruze that they couldn't do within in the traditional Supplier universe. I'm kind of shaking my head to this too. I mean a billion dollars for a company with 40 employees that makes one very very very niche product. I'm a little bit perplex by this myself. This is a lot of money for a very interesting technology, as you mentioned in the additivity to a retrofit in the existing car to turn it into a Semi-autonomous machine. It's pretty interesting we've seen retro-fit kits for, of course, stereo systems and heads-up displays and things like that. But this is taking that to the next level. So it's hard to imagine exactly what GM is getting out of this that they couldn't have gotten simply by hiring some very talented people, presumably for a lot less than a billion dollars, even if that number is inflated. Even 500 million dollars sounds like a lot of money, but they are certainly looking at the technology, looking to get a better footprint in Silicon Valley, and to get in on the next generation of technology. GM has been very progressive in the investment of Lyft as well, to kind of get ahead of the curve of when it comes to whatever this next generation of personal mobility is. They wanna make sure they are well-positioned, Maybe this gives them a better foothold. Yeah, or they paid $25 million ahead to get the staff. [LAUGH] Engineers are pretty pricey these days, maybe that's the going rate, I don't know, so. Everyone's talking about the startup bubble bursting, but if you're an automotive startup, it seems like There are good times ahead for you. Yeah. No bursting remotely coming in. It doesn't seem an automotive software and sensor integration as well. Another interesting headline around GM this week is sort of modern transportation bucket They've got an agreement with Lyft. Of course, they've been doing a lot of stuff with Lyft. And they've made the move on that company, where if you want to drive with Lyft but you own a crappy car right now, you can get a nice new GM car for $99 a week. It's really more of a rental then it is a lease cuz it's short term. And do your Lyft driving with it. And again, this is the deal made available if you are using it to do some lift work, not just an average person. And if you do 65 rides a week, if I understand it, it's actually free to have a General Motors car. I don't know exactly which models they're gonna put in this hopper. So, I guess the idea is, if you wanna drive lifts and your car doesn't make the cut, too old, too ratty, too dangerous This is a way to recruit drivers. I didn't know it was that hard to get drivers with decent cars, but maybe it is. [LAUGH] Yeah, I mean Lyft I think in general, not to be stereotypical, but it does seem like Lyft drivers have somewhat less nice cars than Uber drivers. Yeah. In general, but ultimately, this is a really good deal. I mean, even if you just don't want to put too many miles on your existing car, it probably makes financial sense to switch if you're doing a lot of rides in an urban area, that kind of thing It's a great deal. I can even see people going on vacation and picking up a couple people on Lyft just to get a free car for a week. It can work out pretty well. Yeah, this is a short term thing I've mentioned and I believe it's for a total of eight weeks. It's not something that you can just do all year. Obviously, it wouldn't be a great price if you're getting a Chevy Cruise For a hundred a week, that's no deal. But the idea that you can drop in and out opportunistically on a car rental that has a new General Motors car and a possible way to pay for it while you use it, interesting mix. Just goes to show the lengths at which car companies are going to try and find new ways to invent the use of their cars in this whole area of smart mobility. Which, speaking of smart mobility, we've got the finalists in the federal government's Smart Cities Initiatives. The contest To 50 million dollars, for a given city to win that, to implement a plan of smart city transportation largely around self and smart driving initiatives. The list is Austin, Columbus Ohio, Denver Colorado, Kansas City Missouri, Pittsburgh, Portland and San Fransisco are now made the final cut of seven. To go on and to be the one winner. What I was driving about this is that the $50 million prize, and if you're in those larger cities, that's not a lot of money. [LAUGH] I'm not sure that's really gonna dramatically improve a city's ability to roll out smart driving infrastructure, is it? Yeah, we're definitely talking about a lot of sensors that need to be installed to basically build the vehicle to vehicle infrastructure, communications that's going to be required, hundreds of sensors that are going to be needing to be installed, smart lights we're talking about, systems within the government and within the municipal DOT. To report things like potholes, closed roads, detours, that kind of thing. There's a lot of logistical challenges involved but ultimately this is definitely something that cities are going to have to do, so if they can bring in $50 million to help offset that cost, all the better. I was actually there in Austin when they announced these finalists, and as you can imagine, they were all pretty excited to be selected, especially Austin, given that's where we were. And Secretary Fox, himself, was very pumped up to be announcing these. And he actually went so far as to say that everybody who entered this competition will be getting some sort of federal assistance to help them bring some sort of smart technologies to their cities. Obviously- Yeah. Obviously not $50 million worth but some help anyway. And so we'll see exactly what comes of this but $50 million probably not gonna be enough to get them over the hump. It should be a pretty good boost, anyway. Yeah, it'll help. By the way, each city that made that list of seven that we mentioned does get an initial payment of $100,000 to finish and polish their presentation, to pay for research and such. And as Tim mentioned, it's a blended prize, $40 million of that win will come from DOT or Or federal government. The other 10 million, by the way, comes from Paul Allen, the Microsoft cofounder from back in the day. And he's got his Vulcan Ventures wing. It's called Vulcan Philanthropy. He's been putting a fair amount of money into, apparently well certainly with this, into the idea of smart mobility and smart transportation. I did not know he was behind that until this development on this one. So that's interesting. The feds are going to be, by the way, as you were talking about on CBS this morning this week. Trying to be one of the, one of the partners that brings simplicity and clarity to the rules of how we test and deploy self driving cars. What's the gist of that? Basically, Chris Urmsen from Google and a bunch of other industry leaders were in Washington this week. Trying to basically plead to get the federal government to step up and create some standards for autonomous car testing in the US. Because right now we've got six states in which it's illegal to test autonomous cars. And it's kind of nebulously legal elsewhere as well. There really isn't any standard, defined regulations around these cars around the US, which is making testing more difficult for them. In some states you need a special license like in California. Other states that you don't need a special license. There are different regulations about what kind of equipment you have to have in cars. And of course, there are federal regulations in place that state things like they have to be able to push on the brake pedal before you shift from park into drive. What if your car doesn't have a brake pedal? Questions like that that need to be answered anyway. So they're basically making that [UNKNOWN] to say that we are Things slowed down and hampered in our efforts to be innovative in this area. And with the government, we'd like you to come in and make things easier. So that was the beginning of a discussion. We've got a long way to go, I think, where it wasn't really any resolution out of it. It wasn't that much fear mongering though, which I think was a good thing. Ultimately, I think it was a progressive discussion, a positive discussion. Where we are, where we need to go, and the things that we need. And government seemed receptive. Secretary Fox in particular has been very, very progressive in working with Google to help redefine these laws and hopefully we get something changing in the not too distant future. Yeah, I was gonna say this must be music to a lot of car makers ears because we've heard from a lot of the car makers at their senior level saying look, the number one thing we need right now in self-driving to move forward. Is simple single set of rules. The password could US states. It just about driving them off crazy, they all can agree on that. And the, I reminded to self driving and this is a almost more amusing than anything else but google just got a patent. On avoiding collisions with buses, which of course, exactly what happened to it a week ago or so. These aren't related of course, but this is school bus detection, which is interesting. It just goes to illustrate the ways that we have to teach cars a. The various use cases on the road, and this one is so narrow it says [UNKNOWN] look for a vehicle of certain size, ECU, look for yellow. Do character recognition, see if you can spot any characters that say, school bus on them, and if so Treat it with very great care. This seems like a pretty natural sort of thing. I'm always amazed at the number and the granularity you can get to in software patents these days, so hopefully Google is just kind of locking this down so somebody else doesn't go and get a patent and try to charge money for it, that's my hope. Yeah, they've patented yellow, recognition, and nine letters of the alphabet recognition. It's very interesting. [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] man. [LAUGH] Really, really cutting edge. What I was surprised though, I just read the brief on this patent before it went way beyond my pay grade. But it was interesting that it didn't have anything in it about location or about time of day. Which I would think is another way you can determine, is that a school bus? Am I on a school bus route? And is it during morning or early afternoon. When school buses tend to ply the road. I didn't see any heuristics. Or anything like that. Maybe that's in a separate patent. All right. So, let's take a look at. When we come back. We're going to have updates on some of the latest things we've been doing with the cars that are in our garage here at Road Show. We're also going to tell you How car makers are placing a hedge against Apple CarPlay and Google's Android Auto. We've been telling you there's a real frenemies mix there. We're gonna update you on that when Auto Complete continues. [MUSIC] [BLANK_AUDIO] Welcome back to Auto Complete from Road Show I'm Brian Cooley, editor at large joined by our editor in chief Tim Stevens, who, give us an update now. What are some of the top features and highlights on the site this week, Tim. Well, it's NXS week on the site. We've got three separate features on the NXS, which is a pretty great car. The new NXS is finally hitting viewers In just a couple of weeks, actually. So first thing, we've got the full first take my driving impressions of the NSX, which is a 573 horsepower supercar that as I mentioned is finally hitting [UNKNOWN] We've also got [UNKNOWN] tour of the manufacturing facility. They're actually being built in Ohio during the US, which is pretty great to see. So we'll go behind the scenes and see how those cars come together, and, finally, we've got a head-to-head shoot-out between the new NXS and the classic NXS with Graham Rahal, IndyCar driver, doing the hot shoe stuff for us, which is pretty great. You will not want to miss that. So you've got those three features. We've also got a full review of the 2016 Cadillac ATS-V And we introduce you to our long term Mazda Miata, our first long term car at Roadshow which we are pretty excited to put through the paces. Okay so that's all waiting for you at Roadshow. It's at theroadshow.com. If you are wondering about car makers' relationship with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, it's a little bit one of friction. They wanna bring those two platforms in because they reflect our smart phones Pretty accurately and faithfully on the dash. At the same time, carmakers don't want to give up their head unit real estate to some other company in terms of interface and in terms of gathering all that data about usage, so this week [UNKNOWN] Which does a whole lot of technology for head units and navigation that consumers never know the name of. This is not a consumer-facing company, but it's a big supplier. They've bought a company called OpenCar in Seattle, where I actually am this week. And the idea is to create an alternative to Android Auto and CarPlay So there is yet another way to bring in apps and have them update common apps that we use down on the Internet and on our mobiles, into cars it's just I guess I'm surprised by this to see that there is still this appetite to further fracture, the space of hosting applications in the car when we already have three ways the car makers has been doing it already Apple CarPlay can Android Another one. Yeah, it's frustrating to me to see how many different standards there are. My favorite saying, of course, is that the beauty of standards is that there are so many to choose from, though we've just got one more new one to add onto the mix. If you didn't want to go with Android Auto or with Apple CarPlay, you could go with Ford SmartDeviceLink, which is now picked up by Toyota as well. That's got the best foothold outside of the Google and the Apple camp in terms of getting across multiple manufacturers. With Hendricks on board, that means in theory we can go across multiple manufacturers too, but ultimately it just seems like they've got a really steep road to climb. And it's again, very unfortunate to add one more choice for developers to standardize. Against. And now they had to defend a bunch of offers to come pick their platform over other platforms And I just don't see it. And also in [UNKNOWN] company, Wayne Cunningham did a talk about a new form of navigation they have called autotelligent, which they're rolling out, which is their effort at offering to the car-making world Navigation that is going to be predictive it's going to say wait a minute I can see your calendar with permission and I can then preload. I could also know where you drive to a certain restaurant, you park in a either a street or a garage nearby I can preload that destination. So the idea that the navigation isn't just dumb sitting waiting Is for you to say where should I take you now? But instead, should be trying to get a little bit ahead of you and say look, I think I know what you want to do next, and here is a suggestion of how we do that. That, I think, is really smart. So again, same company doing something a little bit different in there not related to the apps base that we just talked about, but two things from [UNKNOWN] Open car for apps And this Autotelligent navigation effort. You can read about how they envision that over at Road Show at TheRoadShow.com. Let's talk about a whole slew of new cars that we've got or updated cars. A lot of them are centered around the New York Auto Show, Tim. We've got for the first time in the US, as I understand it, we'll have a four cylinder Porsche Macan coming that should debut at the show, giving, as I understand it, 2025 MPG. Right, so that's I guess if you want Makan look and Makan handling but not necessarily all the oomph from the other bigger cars but you're still going to be paying a lot of money for it, I think starting price on this guy is about fifty grand, so not a cheap crossover by any means. Yeah, this is the 252 horsepower turbocharged inline four, 273 feet of torque, 0 to 60 in 6.1. So certainly good performance, but it's not like you're gonna get from any of the hotter versions, so it's interesting. It's for those who want that look, that size, that crossover practicality, which is The hottest sector out there, we should be getting some kind of a very puzzling potentially new Prius base on the one teaser image that Toyota set out. And I think we have to look at that, it shows this interesting wrap around apparently rear LED bar on a car that doesn't look at all light Any Prius on the market. Do you have any idea what to make of this teaser? It's interesting. We just got a new Prius so for them to be giving us another new Prius is interesting. Yeah. But of course in the last generation we had multiple models of the Prius so maybe that's what we're getting into now. Word on the street is that this will be a plug-in model, which is good. The last generation plug-in Prius didn't really sell very well but Toyota never really put a lot of marketing behind it either. So we'll see what we get out of this. But the expectation is a plug-in model. Maybe it's a little bit smaller, maybe a little more aerodynamic. It looks a little bit more curvaceous from that one little teaser image that we've got, but that's all we've got to go on right now. Yeah, it's a very strange teaser from Toyota so we'll be on top of that at New York Auto Show to see if we've got either a whole new model, maybe they have to decided to add a sexier coupe like model to the line. I mean, that's always possible to try and sex it up. The fact that it's got a dramatically different rear end, if this tail light teaser photo tells us something means it has to be a different body flowing from that. We did just as Tim mentioned get the new standard hybrid Prius which has you know, some updated designs a bit of technology. But this looks almost like another derivation of model shape and size so that could be interesting. Also at the New York Auto Show if you're interested in the future of cameras in vehicles I don't think anything's a better indication than what the new Super duty, Ford truck is gonna be offering with camera in the front, camera in the back, camera at the top of the cab looking back, camera's looking back from both side view mirrors and even a camera you can stick on the back of what your trailer pulling on the end of a very long cable. This is probably the most multi lens, multi censored camera package I think we've ever seen on any vehicle It's interesting, just before we went live Chevy actually sent out a Silverado press release with a very similar sounding system. In fact, they have a camera that you can mount inside the trailer. So if you're towing horses, for example, and you want to see how they're doing, you can look inside the trailer too. So both Chevy and Ford getting on the multiple camera thing. But if you've ever towed anything behind, especially a large trailer like a horse trailer, You know, and picks up all your rearward vision. So to have cameras on the outside will certainly make driving a lot easier, and it could make backing up a lot easier too, which is the biggest problem when you've got a trailer behind you. Interesting. So a lot of cams come in the trucks. A new Mercedes, or, new Mercedes, new Camero ZL1, we're going to see that guy with a 640 horsepower blown 6.2 V8. MagneRide, their adaptive suspension will be standard on the ZL1, Apple car play. But what's interesting about it, perhaps most diverging from what you'd expect from a hot rod Camaro, is the transmission choice would be either a six speed manual, that you would expect, or A ten speed automatic, which is an unusual message in a muscle car where normally a ten speed automatic is used to kind of even out rpm variations to get the best efficiency, the lowest emissions. I guess that's probably why they're doing it here as well to be honest. Because even the hottest muscle car has to get cleaner and leaner. Right, we'll have to see what we can find out about the ratios that they're using in that gearbox. On the SX for example, they've got a nine speed but the way they positioned it, basically it's got a six speed in the middle that you'd use on the track with very closely spaced ratios, and a real short first gear for accelerations and a really long ninth gear to get you best fuel economy on the highway. So If they've done something like this in the Camaro, maybe that will work for the best, both for performance and for economy. We'll have to wait and see on exactly where those ratios stand now. Interestingly on the Zl1, the tease on it was probably one of the shortest teases I've ever seen, I think they launched the teaser video the evening before, and then all the first impressions came out like three or four hours later, it was hardly tease and all, but [INAUDIBLE] It looks nice, sounds nice, and I'm looking forward to seeing it in New York next week. Yeah, should look great. A hot looking car. Let's see. We've also got. We won't see this at New York just yet, but maybe in a future New York show, we would see a Mazda CX-4. Now right now, Mazda's got their 3, 5 and 9 in the CX crossover line. But in China, they're about to roll out A CX-4, which will be a lower, sleeker looking version of their current crossover line, on the smaller to mid-size range. I don't know off-hand which platform it's based on, but the fact that it may very well come to U.S. and rest of the world is Is certainly possible. And I think it shows that, at least for now, while fuel prices are where they are, and certainly the Chinese market in general, there's no lack of appetite for any number of ways you can slice and dice and reinterpret what a crossover looks like. Yeah, it's crazy to think that [UNKNOWN] are gonna stick another one in there. But I gotta say I love it when a car has a name that makes sense. It's a little bit bigger than the CX-3. It's a little bit smaller than the CX-5. Fits in there quite nicely. I think it looks nice. It's got a very [UNKNOWN] as most Mazdas do these days, and I think it could do well in the US here despite the fact that it is so close to those other two cars. Yeah they're really packing the line, again if they do bring it to the US. Right now it's a Chinese market car, but a lot of the buzz is it will leave there and hit the rest of the world. And finally, if you, you know, we get a lot of questions from people from time to time and emails saying, you know, "Hey, is a certain car gonna be a future collectible" etc., etc. Maybe here is one! As we've talked about for the last few couple of months, you know, Scion is being wound up. The cars, some of the models, are being rolled into Toyota. I believe they are going to change the name of the FR-S Is going to make its way into the Toyota line as just the 86, is that what I'm hearing? Yep, so that's what it's been called in Japan since the beginning so it is going to live on which is good news, but that's what they're going to be calling it in the US now as well. Which is a continuation of the AE86, which was a classic drift car that was what they [UNKNOWN] that car'd be picking up on. So it's good that that car will live on and anybody who's a fan of drifting anime from Tokyo will be a fan of that name, too. Be very fond of that. And then the car that we think might be, this is literally the swamp song of Scion is they'll be showing the last version of the tC It is a mildly modified Sixteen Scion tC Release Series 10.0 they'll call this one. And it's basically a mild body kit. It's gonna have a freer flowing exhaust from the TRD catalogue and also a set of lowering springs factory-installed. But if you're a big Scion buff and they're out there And you wanna put one away on blocks for 10 or 20 years and then slap it on eBay and try and retire. This is it. This could be the final. If you get late production, maybe you get lucky. You can say, I have the last Scion ever made or something pretty close to it. So, we've gotta look at that. [CROSSTALK] Yes, good luck with that, and I hope it goes upside for you. All right, folks, that's it for our update on news. Of cars and technology this week from Autocomplete. Don't forget to stay on top of everything as it breaks throughout the week at Road Show, at RoadShow.com. Check out our look at the manufacturing center for the new Acura NSX, that's brand new on Road Show, We got an early look at that, as Tim mentioned, in three pieces. And then coming up as you're getting your ears pricked up for New York auto show news, we're gonna be all over that with comprehensive coverage as well. Thanks a lot, we'll talk to you next week. [MUSIC]