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Car Tech Live 232: Frankfurt auto show previewThis week, our Frankfurt auto show preview. Volkswagen finds the only direction is up, Land Rover ends tea time to update a 25 year old model, and Yo-Auto redesigns the car door.
This -- -- Frankfurt Auto Show preview Volkswagen fines the only direction is up. Land Rover and T time to updated at 185 year old model and you'll auto redesigned the car door. This is cnet's car tech live -- Thursday the eighth of September 2011 I'm Wayne Cunningham in the studio and on good group Goodwin and -- staying on the board. Frankly is that traveling and what municipal -- Frankfurt. Next week. Because that that's where we'll be covering the -- record -- showed -- the 2011 Frankfurt outer shell. You lot missing a lot concepts and presented gotten a lot. Preview. Information and photos specs some teaser -- car companies. -- what they're gonna show there. And so devoted its entire show to announcements that -- announcements for that data showed -- will be able to see. Live next week on the show floor. Once we get actually you in the cars and around them we can get a better idea of what -- Of what their light because the press photos tell one story of -- vote getter. On a similar -- Antuan you. You -- that had a look at testament from our radio and. Slacker rate ray. It's it's interesting because this is -- because one of the first. If it's Wii's -- seen an app inside of an app. And basically they what radio which basically is that they have an Apple -- radiant. -- which basically reads your Twitter feed your FaceBook the allow it has it also read aloud a traffic. Updates and do you do some other sort of -- all sort of aimed at giving you content in your car. Verbally. -- -- you'll have to read a screen to even get a text message for example. They've actually just announced that slacker -- -- slacker personal radio it's an Internet radio application. And they're gonna be providing 150. DG security channels. Inside of the -- radio apps so. You -- to go to tweets right in being decorated you don't have to -- carelessness artists to that artist. In -- -- this. Play -- -- -- John sort of radio slacker has genre stations there's the premium tier where you can. Religion in and serve -- personalized and things and in you can also do on demand so if you wanna. Listen to. This particular album by this particular artist like a built when He won. You can you can go straight to that let's have a premium tier. For the for the free app and provide -- you know what would allow people I'll be using is just. I just wanna hear big and -- and there is a guy somewhere or -- gal. Who is picking out big and jazz and so you don't end up with a random things like. In. You know blues -- -- you know. Jazz standards or exactly that in there but how can you -- you while you're driving. Now he's continued working at its practice of sort of Apple's new Nvidia but on the the anti -- control. Well it's interesting here and this is sort of way at Toyota is doing with -- to noon and Buick student and telling is that. The many call -- an app but it's within an app it's really mean this is where apps -- Williams services. Right yeah that's the the interesting thing about slacker is a it is kind of a service. Outside of the app you can listen to these stations on the Internet on your smart and -- hiring you -- now within -- also in embedded. You can have the ability to embed it in. Other devices for example. The app works with the pioneer. -- next X 920 BT that it tested a couple months ago. And basically. You can control how radio from the touch screen the big touch screen that -- -- with -- Your iphone's. A small 3.5 inch screen -- -- they released this version of -- -- -- already. Will be announced that with this morning I haven't seen. I don't have an accident -- -- -- iPhone right now yet so I haven't seen it India iPhone. Excuse in the attitudes market. There is an injury version of a -- -- coming. I didn't knew that until I actually wrote the story. So the -- fewer injuries He will be able to get in on that. Anorexia are radio Amaya and I haven't updated it -- it doesn't show that -- -- evident that the latest version and I don't think -- and update available yet I don't -- has slacker just gonna got to actually -- my. IPhone -- all pollute the camera here and then. They get the interface there and what they do is equipped fairly large icons. With different services and this -- and -- FaceBook and that. The my media one goes through the -- An iPhone library. -- iPod library. What's interesting -- they never actually say it's our app. But idiots there's traffic or traffic -- -- -- -- -- and there are many other situations where you really want that computer voice. Reading my tweets. And it's also owned by -- pardon which are Harman international actually which. Has that the other car equipment manufacture technically. And now what exactly was set related to Frankfurt Auto Show and only are they they're seeing that they're gonna -- some more stuff expert Palkot. Exactly how much market. Yeah I'm I'm actually gonna talk to them on Friday morning. But He had yet again that said not stuff they're gonna -- the -- until actually print -- a show coming up by next week. And also -- next week we'll see via Volkswagen's them up. This is there -- This is the -- they've actually been working on for a little while. And they've shown that previews in this actually really gives you an idea of car design and development. -- showed the concert version this that the 2007 Frankfurt Auto Show. Since then and in some subsequent shows -- showed new versions of it to them. Even given working on this really small small car and this this slots in smaller than the -- Which they need because other car companies already have cars that are smaller than there they -- compact. Just like. If small in the pull lowers are gonna replace the polo I think it comes in smaller than that AI -- -- -- trying to teach how big defeat Sar. I think this is more like this is like the Yaris -- -- Oh maybe a little bit smaller than the Honda Fit it's looking like yet to decide between -- passengers that are. -- space exactly out of the rear seats look like they're all the way back so yeah you you get either back -- seats or cargo space. That's like the -- IQ we looked at it recently. Although this puts a little bit bigger -- so you want Beulah park quite as easily. It doesn't always look like really describes version of the -- Looks very happy to the net then He did you meet at a point meet their cars and beat the happy face on it and if it -- -- We've actually got a full on slide -- and you know again we'll see this thing via. -- -- on the front views here -- I don't know why but it looks like Ronald McDonald from the angle at that. I don't know where that key element as the first thing to pop in in my hand. Well yeah it's it's that depth -- in said bumper and that's not really current VW styling -- that's what's gonna we're about it. Is that there really the current -- v.'s styling cues that are there we see in the -- and so and the -- -- we -- in that Olympic -- You accidentally leaking -- -- believe they got rid of that -- today a -- -- that that's gone. What they really got is -- in real between two -- yeah okay I you know. I'm thinking about someone I knew who drank the gulf. And oh yeah that's -- be an older right -- nobody -- exactly what the program yet. This one has has -- -- a thin line across between medium. Between the headlights and really know. Digg Reel to speak out as early -- this thing is powered by area one liter engine. That one -- three cylinder and they've got different versions of that one normally makes fifty horsepower will make seventy something horsepower live news you'll never see US store -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- and it and we're not really sure whether they'll bring this to be US are not yet either He did show version at the -- outer shell. So. I mean I think being I think need to be really need something here to slot in below the jet. Because right now the -- is sort of doing the service is being there. -- their lowest price car and 161000 is not a bad place to start. In -- really cheap now on how we yeah. It's it's the 161000 dollar Jetta is akin to the civic DX. -- gonna buy it -- radio. And air conditioning is optional appointment in mind that it's -- so they can start at this price in an identity and dealership they'll be like you really want the you know -- -- -- I think that the city DX directly sixteen. Sixteen may be high sixteen. Some just yet just the vacancy in the commercially can -- start -- sixteen. But then there be a little Estrich in -- me. In those pictured -- -- optional equipment and better. Like windows and doors and another. And when -- is that you -- general -- manually. Little -- and sixty. -- -- other territories like -- -- Ford and they've got their focus which is really jet asides to the meals on their fiesta which takes -- down a step further. Much solace -- you know the you can actually get -- a pretty welcome fiesta for. Around him prices. And I'm not equipped with -- idea. Agenda right now. Yeah its this will be units in -- to see here. How whether and whether I think it I hope that's gonna be US but if it does it'll probably I would imagine it would get a bigger engine. A lot of notebooks are gonna hands and you -- I mean if this is it too much. Bigger than the I -- if it's if it's only just a little bit bigger than the IQ. In -- -- -- -- -- little -- -- -- before. I feel like people could live with that but I don't think people could would walk into a dealership and -- -- sticker prior. They've also got -- three different trim levels for this obviously via a little while we don't know what the pricing it -- announced that it actually name -- -- you. -- -- How does that the move now it's the first to take the take up that's their base model the TP and and a -- Which is the comfort oriented model in the -- the hi yeah. The top of the blinders are religious -- luxury with leather seats in all that may be at. Apprentice most of the delegate exclamation point and -- academic current it would be that -- -- -- cute. I think they had that with the concept. But they dropped it for this sort sponsor copy editors and alligators -- flies and yet we know -- -- -- -- -- OK moving on this another -- preview actually we see a lot -- concept cars at. These auto shows in -- is no exception -- -- concept cars there and one we're gonna be -- -- be -- that's really intriguing is the the Lander over defender concept. And this is you know you don't see many news land rovers. That -- while -- laboratory -- Yeah recently. And you know of birds did -- to see you vote in into the new at a third of -- coming -- new and it's like whoa Philly week up. That thing as over -- At the you know I didn't do in the big boxy vehicles and -- was gone through some. Some see changes you're some big changes in the past that couples like that and -- on -- for -- the board sold them the Tuesday India's Tata Motors -- right now there from an Indian company. They seem to be still doing what they do in and -- in the same -- and -- at. But while the defender mildly actually had been making that same model for about -- -- five years. It hadn't had a really a significant update they did a small update to the vendor in 2007 to make it comply with things like safety regulations because in -- summit sheet metal is no longer cut -- -- because I mean if you look at the defenders basically it's literally two box designs are public enemy sharp corners. It decreases when He ages. Yet and you had rendered -- Really -- organized -- the kind of thing that it's notable stories this is the top people to take on African safaris and this is the kind of thing -- could drive up. Straight up mountains in the -- like that so it's got a cool unique look and I know there's plenty of Lander rover defender of the -- and -- are -- Yet the old Catholic school -- -- and I knew it looks ahead of -- look happy to beat it looks like a plug. Yeah well it's -- notably the fat guy -- in the latest get the tear stained to Tennessee. Unlike a Bulldog for example it does that data as it looks like instead. Evil. With that a little front license plate -- -- -- like the tongue to scan and the canals that oh boy. Well this is only the first in a series. Concepts. Design content that they wanted you before they actually it's not gonna launch a new defender until 2015. So they've got a little time toward the -- thirty years old -- think. And death there they're being very careful about the design because obviously it's -- set such an iconic design with current defender. Don't wanna. Upset their base the -- where years from now the -- in -- -- look just like the -- under. That'll probably be -- yet. 250 and over and -- decided they don't. -- this one looks like after a cruiser a little bit. Today that. -- -- -- -- -- Modern -- styling. Now we would like that it's it's. -- -- -- much for me it looks to normal. Looks like what is it that Chrysler. -- died John. Dodge Nitro. Relatively untouched nature -- -- children living with the nature of content. And monitor. And you just totally killed most of and are now in this design it and -- -- even bothering about to the floor right now that you said that. They don't even need to bring on the floor Frankfort -- -- it's a -- I'm gonna click. Wheel Brian Cooley in -- advertisement for a speaker it's totally committed over its. -- Yet this community -- if you when you get around to 2015. Gain a defender yet we'll just keep. Very close. You don't go exactly as I live I -- until like a dating -- Mercedes QA. And it's kind of part of the allure of the G wagon is that it did you -- You don't wanna -- you want to mess -- that we get there and there's somebody who's who -- the new G wagon. And the B -- -- -- negated now thirteen years from now they still wanna have the apps apply every 9/11 look the same thing the -- is. You don't want someone to get stuck without -- -- and -- it's like yeah exactly. When news site is a funny about the do you -- into -- is that it says. Their price -- it's like a 100000 just that's it yet and I think about -- probable that if it doesn't -- -- you do it justice late. One in a bunch of zeros for -- there's no denying eyes -- a neutral place this thousand dollar red that means this is what the market will bear this is what people paperless thing boom that's it needs and we rebuild them for 101000 dollars bit. Marked yet. As another concept as the -- -- defender will see that -- next week no specs on engine or anything their -- far away from that they have to. Really get this thing out at you for years to get around to it if it. And I don't see the same -- as yet. The next currently adapted X concept we've got that we'll see next week is the this is this infinity -- What in the column excellence yet come up they have an import excellent. Analysts and mystery concept is -- the photo that in the article is and FX. Yeah how this is an ethics based thing they said they had F one driver Sebastian battle who one -- I think the past two BBA at least definite past oh of the last open championship you He -- one that any. Infinity worked with him and He helped them develop this concept is a car that He wanted to I was sort of the idea is yet his dream concert -- It the FX. That there must have steadily. Start with the -- activated -- go to an -- when preference they. Build your dream infinity. In DG -- -- The cataloged. Did you -- -- -- and something interest -- with that -- anything -- this is certainly an -- based concept so this is one of those things where they haven't really. Tried hard. -- they haven't done anything crazier wacky within its. It just looks like. A buddy came to you did it for menial aftermarket -- -- and entities in the in a you know. That the those ads in the back of car magazines -- asleep pagelet 45 body kits on it and yet in their electric quarter and -- The commitment squeezes many on the community and I expect to see this in -- amongst them. -- -- -- exactly like that has the look of what we only have this one picture here in the three quarter front. I was trying to figure out based on a picture of a current aspects of this house summit -- it almost looks like them back He used topical at the rear roof line. Comes down a little more aggressively. But it's hard to tell from this picture and there's certainly a spoiler on back there. Some as an extra -- -- -- all of drive. And its effects -- he's pretty fast it is it is it's -- faster vehicle be needs to be. Yeah yeah I would never -- Scotland that -- that it we have yet fixed it yet. I did some -- at. Lewis and it's -- question about what engine might be under the hood of this thing because they have that -- by point six -- now that they use in the MM 56. -- they they could be is and that which is a pretty high power. Fairly conventional engine by today's standards that pretty good power -- of that so today you know -- might be that I point six so slightly increased power. And one thing that this makes me think -- to -- -- those that infinity performance line. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- So this might even you know basically -- effects IPO. Yeah kind of thing. The entity it can get. In advance of -- you'd probably -- in yet to account -- -- What's here's one that's that is and it's -- the chemist you've been looking at immunity an actual confident in that. Saudis. Urban concept is actually two concepts. Of a small city caller. One of them is the -- topped coupe in the other when it sort of open top roadster and not a convertible note top. And it's just the tiny looked like one passenger vehicle. He passenger lax attitude passengers tend to Majid. No they're -- years it staggered seating. Yet it looks like the passenger -- half a seat. You can only like one cheek on that the if you look different on giant the first when in the -- access. I don't know if that's it is -- -- behind the driver's. But it's always -- of the cap of specially in the the -- -- in the topless version and it's it's very strangely set up an amateur wise this is an advantage but they've got. That the passenger seat seems like about. Out stagger like two feet back from the driver's seat they're still next to each other. Anti NAFTA but they're trying to do. Haven't so your hips or not to because those -- the -- your shoulders and -- an excellent and yet so I I think they're trying to -- make that so it's really your. You know you use the passengers -- thighs and needs to be up near that the drivers -- -- elusive slick -- street. It's it's an odd design and and I think it's not a very conversational does again late. Makes it adjusted to eliminate driver distractions. -- you can't talk to your passengers. In. It's it's rather because it's an open -- -- to you which is not something you'd see the -- -- Except for we -- things like it was that day Plymouth prowler -- from Plymouth prowler. Which -- on coming year. And undoubtedly really Nero wheels -- Like motorcycle wheels are buried in you know real yet motorcycle -- -- wield their wagon digital asset and I think -- -- you know again this is a small EV. It looks for -- but it's probably. Built loosely. For aerodynamics lightweight low rolling resistance than inducements -- -- Out of what's probably a very tiny battery. Yet. This is designed as a city car and well urban car they are saying so and one thing about that Audi said about the scars they really designed this to be. Lightweight in the design of on the ground that they've been based on any current models or anything like that they said okay let's start out with a blank slate and -- we can do to make and you. Urban car. It looks like a pro -- yeah. Yeah it's just like a pro and even like the real thing. The you know them -- in this lake saudis notably. Excited -- but it looks just like a -- well I think its money that they actually kept the through the grill on the car. For one thing they don't need it being an electric car. -- -- -- county and that's right you just have a Levy -- -- And that it is to put it and they actually have included this big -- over the entire front of the car non functional oh yeah I mean it's rollicking and -- With the -- emblems like on the front of it. It's it's an interesting little design and dad again these are I think he's actually of these actually put as a renderings here these look like renderings I've seen. Of photos of it riding around in that sort of concept car -- -- -- tiny. It's a tiny tiny little thing right may actually have there's a video that we at an earlier post where. This is like kind of spy video they show -- -- car. -- brought it to some plaza in that Germany in and unloaded -- written code around a little bit and people got some photos of it served in a video of it announced and his -- data because. Even that secretly dislike when when indeed -- the spy photos via an accident last year. And before ideally -- It'll Clear Lake in actions. Would exceed -- it hold back enough so you can see the front bumper and like them. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Mr. -- -- this video out -- -- that. This is. Interest in sort of spy video they showed being unloaded from this. The current got the camouflage paint on it so it's a studio like this is super secret -- doing so the fact that their remote unit in some easiest -- -- world. And segment useful -- area. Yet -- -- -- plots in Berlin. It is -- ever will -- it's not like the stars in Leo unnoticed here in and -- -- -- to -- the carpet evil but. The it's that would have they even have their own video out of here to make it look like it's all we discussed -- the only way too -- -- this. -- picturesque with the -- news in the -- -- the building than a minute -- -- zoom here that's a pretty good -- for a -- consistently -- the region. -- like. The state can irony here -- But you know the fact that this is booted and the section this -- looks a little bit different from the one and that the -- CNET for one the wheels completely side. Yet doesn't have better candidates and have that -- either. And -- again and then also it looks like in the concept the looks like the by flares out at the bottom penitent. You know I don't know almost out to touch the the of the open rear wheels that when -- still has applicable. On him and what's it estimate this to you as they also have. This is -- about the same time that. -- -- gonna be showing up there there ones heater concept. In a senate panel in a Volkswagen and owns a Volkswagen group. -- Audi and Volkswagen brand so. Is like Edmonds a friendly rivalry there yet it probably were -- -- is -- cross pollination between these designs are designed to keep that. -- group said. We need cleaning it super small urban sesame and it is to be funny to conflict partial shall once you hit it. A surprise you get the two and the Bentley -- -- is expected that at at that. -- -- 8000 -- definitely admitted -- VC. 8000 pounds of violence that's six with six liter twelve and address of offers in the -- -- -- -- -- -- one. It's a sit on some and speaking of porch speaking of course they're -- -- be -- -- -- 9/11. Out here at and an auto show next week and -- Doesn't look like the old and eleven yes it -- You know but there are differences in you know coming from somebody who. Basically says every -- -- -- ever built -- the same I'm starting to see the difference between them I can definitely. See. How of the unit you really -- -- the tail -- Al Bakr a lot smaller because these nearly the tail light food and a the big. Button class mean to be I guess they could beat Italy's plastic unity plastic lens only in -- they can have a smaller -- aperture there. It's a good looking car. What's interesting about this. Is the new gearbox yes -- seven speed. Manual or. PDT portion double open it up and -- -- to pronouncement yet on notice that Apple got a going to freak -- -- I'm gonna knew how to figure and in the -- coupled. You can walk around and Doug is that a couple that Apple -- You know this that new model does -- a little bit stretched. It looks much more stretch than the current model He. Outside -- to gain any link there may be named the wheels in or something and. That it perfection you just tweaked it. What was interesting about this is that it has seven gears. But basically that the -- that it's set up is the first six years you're driving performance years in your driving around have needed time. You go and went through six. The deal when you pop on the highway that seventh gears sort of an overdrive or your -- over drives you really told geared to maximize fuel economy. It's an interest in -- had -- wondered about that and now that's going to be pretty widely used. And -- it may mean I would expect fortunate to be able that. They're pretty smart. Battery pretty smart engineers over there are so they gotta make this a pretty usable -- And data or just judging from the past -- Matalin and we had in here you think it was pretty easy to -- through -- and just just see one extra leg yet. Put an extreme -- amounts. Or open them from reverse to wearers reverse on the -- is that -- total after the right. -- I remember offhand the album. But the you know it's on the far right then and down the dollars but 7UP. Next the -- -- Biden and -- -- -- them. And a are again. And media so basically the way it works as -- reverse is up into the left. And then now one street back and -- you -- -- has that for the the -- through to sixty time. And then seven is up into the right okay so -- over again so. Yeah all might be a wide -- stealthy you'll ever make it over descendant and in the you know you'll -- we do windows it's just the standard. Six speed -- a pattern that. Portion of -- guys have been driving with all -- salary. Ends when they get on the highway they'll just shift it will more time. Yet -- when you're not. Trying to fashion after anything like -- just throw on all the way over there or you just keep that indicate that idea is that. To really yet to really performs -- you'll ever be able to. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- When -- -- regularly at the attend here. I can't always get people and in cars that have -- -- not a port shipment. In a lot of cars. For example the -- the -- of got a pretty long through. And if someone -- in the past museum like punching the millions if you know -- an idle stop trying not to do it. Can they used to do this thing grow just like Steve and and get into gear here. But then I -- realize that here's in the passenger seat spread out like an ad supported heavily in them and you need to get you to access from the interrupting -- -- certainly an important job exactly we -- -- -- -- -- rate. I tell it like from the -- to decide organism and -- here there -- stood up pretty much the same engines elections here 2.4 liter but the boxer six. And which is a brilliant engine and -- I'm amazed what they do with that engine how much power they get out of that it another way over the -- -- hundred leaders -- the yeah a hundred hours are prone leader you. Point so did staff -- on imported -- and more like imported riding on those looking at a Porsche not as interest in -- time. -- -- To make it a wallpaper you you found strange yet concept that it will seek an -- from a -- company had never heard yes it's it's new. New Russian and maker and have your original -- humans constrict a lot. And -- -- guys cracking them and put them over and through in the mechanical. But this new company called -- Otto. They are bringing it. Looks like a series of hybrid concepts and that they actually plan on building in making this concept. There were by the talk about right now. I was just it doesn't have a name for the details to some sort of what the -- -- concept. Is extremely -- in this pattern aspects and with with the engine but we do have an animation of what's going on with the doors if you look at the photo it's. The doors -- kind of sun can in the community there. Angled in a weird way -- it there if it does not really obvious how they opened -- you see them moving. In what happens is when you radio in the door the windows slide down the doors -- -- shift in and fly back through the body of the vehicle. In outs. Over the rear backlight sort of like eagle wings. The unit -- this really huge open through. Really know how to discredit -- besides a. And iron yeah it's very cool it is chemical is extremely impractical. Well it's practical in the sense that not banging your doors against other cars next -- -- you know -- wing doors don't actually. They -- the true last. The swing out doors of their hinged in the middle. You write in they got -- pulled a straight up again out a little bit but not as much now. Now these these are you know like -- sliding doors -- Edit and an -- with anything all though they -- -- out the back of it and pass into target on the rise in new. Closer than six inches or twelve it's -- to the -- however far out of state. They will -- flowing back and hit the door and He hit the wall. Our -- park and apparel spots a major behind in all mean it's high enough that it -- Google over the news of most cars. -- put out to me as yet when -- I have to be -- like when it is economics and that -- -- -- mica only go. Fuji heavy industries and there's something that's what -- -- -- -- up as vehicles to use it's kind of a -- profile in -- everything -- the freeze -- It's just like anonymous beams -- It is designed purely to cut through the air yet this is aerodynamics 101 right here. It'll never be made it does that mean when expect to see this driving around anyway -- not even as in -- -- and -- in the interior dentist. A symmetrical. Lake orange highlighted in its -- concerts in stuff like that. Never gonna get me but they're there it's there -- there. They're there hybrid content through a little more conventionally regular horse yet what -- commoners when an anonymous to you look at the blinds that. When you look edits. Yet you're never gonna -- at the back and this is obvious it's going to be a concert of course it'll have cameras and yet -- so -- -- -- wide angle. Were cameras relayed a 180 degree viewing angle so right you'll be able to see everything behind and besides -- -- -- -- -- anyway -- your head up display here. -- point that's -- it's a drive itself. Today that is the Apple key is are we should Seattle model lets you found your cars it papers there's -- be a variety. That's just a rundown preview of sum this -- -- -- in -- -- to dissent coming now -- So we'll start to -- publishing non on Tuesday next week. So you'll see all that them although we -- but -- cars dot cnet.com -- lot of good content there. It's little preview what we'll see next week and but now let's go out on the road. And one and I take out another roots deep funny and -- The -- Nissan Murano heart cross Chevrolet. You'd certainly knows -- crossover. Convertible. I -- this is based on the any -- -- platform which is obviously a -- based platform. We have a lot of the same mag engine tech and staff the dead he's on his head around for awhile so we've got a 3.5 liter V6. Engine in the against 266. Horsepower not not a whole lot nothing astounding in there. We do have a continuously variable transmissions do which is basically the first signal this car really isn't any kind of sports -- Something and -- me. -- crossover form factors that have been the first signaled that -- not a sports car but He edited it basically for sort of like. Cruising through wine country in nicely. -- afternoon it's it's the comfort cursor animated. It's -- -- -- -- vehicles. Who -- and I'm looking vehicle. Yeah there's them. The interesting things going well and the design of this story in almost. In my mind -- looked like somebody started a -- And then just decided to not finished it -- that let it be Miller is becoming come up to an -- words. It did stop its -- even tried to -- -- into the body and vehicle just done. Sharp cutoff right there weren't normal people Steve Miller would -- I just deployed added as far as the other standard electronic equipment here we have in the best of the full -- system from -- sun hard drive based. And there's a Bose audio system was with -- -- which -- think sounds really good. Right He also still have the same sort of like. Navigation system that we've seen in other news on vehicle that's really cool. Dial based interface that's the way dvd using also handled everything that -- -- Florida and and what we've seen before. Yeah it's when calculating routes and things like bad it's dead there's no longer odds that I would expect -- maybe have just become. Used to newer systems which are faster. Maybe some flash drive based systems. And we're really quickly and its pilots have significant positive wallets and looked for locations to the streets while it's calculated -- that's -- surprise. I'm thinking maybe maybe that's built into the -- every LA probably lower than the standard so that all around there isn't much need here and net and he's since then it's a slow music Darwin Sloan -- electronic. Nissan Murano cross -- relay which is a mouthful right yeah man let's. You know I used to say that -- BM WX six -- was the most useless car ever me. It's -- memorandum -- -- -- is the most useless car ever made. And an eight week. Do you do it would do well you know. It's just unique in the fact that so I'm not really. Well I don't wanna be defending this -- -- duplicates here but I did enjoy when I was driving around through wine country. Drive around and an open topped with the and you know it with a high seating position of a and SUV. Which is a unique things we just don't get that unless you ranked -- the top -- you know we're Brock or something. That this is this is sort of unique sitting position and driving position so it is. It was kind of interest in -- be cruising through a country road in getting the whole scenery and Alex one day out of the month. They aren't gonna be. Vaguely interesting the convertible is always kind of nice yeah but regular the other 29 days. You've got a crossover. With new trunk space. With its front personable and Internet sports -- Weird to get in and out with like two doors with the war there anybody with a -- -- in it to you that we climb up and over the seats. At the same time. And an infant but it's also just I mean it's comparable -- the and his Lal all the time. Even with the top -- -- that that's true and also the reason why don't want input and -- and depends -- I think it is so ugly you that is easily. Only one -- it will -- it's a little back -- -- -- currently in the yesterday that it's -- if they actually forget it in -- -- that cleared yesterday. It is the new -- we can forget about the -- now it's been around long about -- we made fun of a prolonged amounts this is the new. The new ugly this -- the point of the new world are they taking. I don't like these have been trying to it and it's been -- -- it's been defying that's not like -- -- what they've been doing it became all the cute and it just looked weird. And people still bought it in their military -- Here's the -- deliberately or you integral. And fun -- likes it like. And in and then there elect people still don't think. Well here's the run across Caprio I defy you elected -- We should we should have decided to like this car so they would push them even for -- even further into rentals come up with something that's a symmetrical and yet. It's a sharp edges jagged edges sticking out everywhere their noses in -- they'll -- -- -- -- I think the next step would be something -- Images defied the laws of nature just. The summit the punches you in the face whenever I'm private repeatedly. -- like -- Nissan GT Ireland Italy three -- this. -- and some of my thinking is that while all the the Nissan engineers were busy on the Nissan leaf in the GTR and putting all these amazing tires. They added that the -- team yeah whatever we gotta menus being. And I -- we -- the top opera about Murano. I do look like a loft -- -- -- Vietnamese and Japanese auto makers like in golf -- -- in implementing content differently. The -- the -- -- CEO. Of Nissan lost in. You the president say it like now you have to make. Crossover SUV. If -- Justice and then -- it's on another opinion on this minutes. Mitch what do you think -- the around constantly would you -- drive around -- life and did in the swollen. Yeah that's. In fact we're shooting -- -- -- drive -- -- actually -- the top -- -- smack you in the top of the head. The other thing it's got its motorized -- and it it would have to be added to soft top but there's no way to -- and -- -- -- and but it is Canada's the whole lake acrobatics of coming holding back -- -- the trunk and basically taking up all of your space but then when you bring it back up. He gets about. Fifteen degree angle overhead and into slammed the home. And -- disk in it if your first couple times you know put the top up you will do that you will jump. If you're tall guy and I'm I'm waiting to hear a story from -- Of getting smacked in the top it. I can imagine -- -- -- -- left her hand up over the the windowsill. As its going down undertaken fingers out because opting to slams on the force yet and there it sits just seems like it's broken yet it's surprising that they actually looked at in the production but they didn't at that point six inches -- before -- hits the top ten global. Slowdown and easily come down a bit slanted and the operating that He has it gone here's. He did do it. -- And -- of -- all about we get that and video for them. Well that's Italy it only take down here in this little these doors close is on the brink of getting -- -- pirate Warner with a peg leg and I'm Eric. If you've got your hand here -- there when you're closing the top check this out. -- today it's it's brutal yeah. And yet it's wonder why they let that go through I imagine they'll have to tweak that bit you can imagine that it. The fact it's a surprise that we're would have stopped us from getting to. -- -- -- fact that -- the convertible top in the first -- elective little detail didn't. As I imagine -- -- The people who actually do you buy this car and put their kids and BBC the back in this community traumatized by the convertible will never -- ice -- usually can't sleep -- -- -- -- little by convertible will be just too traumatized by convertibles in general and go like oh my god convertibles though. They -- -- threat. It's like -- -- -- indicated loosely. Be quiet experiment and and interpret but for something. I had no idea of having a positive thing to say -- The CBT. Utilities on the ticket seat yet it's it's a data really -- the CBT they use it here and -- -- well there's no no sporting intentions it's just simply. -- drive and this has really made for somebody doesn't really well doesn't really -- a different. -- the convertible and can live without an SUV that's what's gonna I don't I still don't understand news. Who's -- this thing I mean I remember when they launch it in within a year and lost -- with the dead tree. Zelaya who intimately but -- let me launch date. And in and -- the -- -- literally fit late this is our car for anti Napster's. Hinges and -- efforts to block an applicant. I think if -- units of which still -- in -- five -- -- empty -- And stated -- act but it is gonna be like it had nothing in my life but if it's weird crossover -- And -- to -- kids -- back anymore or Kerry you know kids and luggage to grandma's house. And yet it's it's crazy -- Yeah but you know so that was the year 2011 Nissan Murano -- Chevrolet which is also are late mystery latest reviews will be up. That review is not up to the video review is up the -- the the review the written review will be up tomorrow. We also have you just have the Honda Civic hybrid in it. So that review that -- like that interview is lives. You'd be surprised -- Good stuff on -- outside Nestle's -- cars in right now so next week we'll I have respect for another show we'll be doing a special. Show from there from my -- on the show floor. With -- Brian Cooley. Standout coming up in a couple weeks a little further down we'll have the outboard pas 150 ego boost the big -- that's gotta be sentenced. 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