Tripping balls in deep dream VR with VFX artist Jonathan Sims (Tomorrow Daily 337)
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Tripping balls in deep dream VR with VFX artist Jonathan Sims (Tomorrow Daily 337)

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On today's show we deep dive into ultra realistic facial tracking and animation software, the trumpet that was 3D printed while it was in the mail and Fisher-Price's futuristic vision for toys. And special effects artist Jonathan Sims stops by to show us a very unique virtual reality project. High-five for the future? [NOISE] Tomorrow Daily. [MUSIC] Greeting citizens of the Internet! Welcome to Tomorrow Daily, the best geek talk show in the universe. I'm Ashley Esqueda And I'm Jeff Cannata. Hey, that was a cool little intro. Yeah, producer Logan did it with an app, an IOS app call Plotagon and you can check it out if you're [CROSSTALK] And we made animated [INAUDIBLE] We're animated and we didn't even need a visual flex artist. [LAUGH] But we're going to have a visual flex Effects artist. I'm sick, so I'm sorry. Easy for you to say. Actually, I can't say it, I can't say anything right now. Let's just get to the headlines. Let's do that. [MUSIC] We had a lot of people write in about this facial animation technology. Cuz it's terrifying! It is a little bit creepy. There's no truth! It's the end of truth Ashley. The truth has never been actually real. Look at this. I, I really love that somebody has made that. I find this so incredibly ambitious and so impressive. But also, yes it is a little bit creepy. I would have been impressed if some artist Have slaved for hours to make anybody on YouTube say what I want them to say. But the fact that I can just sit in front of a camera and it will do all the work for me, that's black magic. It is. That's wizardry. That is black magic. That's internet black magic at its finest. Yeah this is actually done like they say in the video using just regular old commodity webcam. And the software, they can take an image of a photo and they can take a video of a target actor, which they have here is of George W. Bush, Dubya. And then they have a fourth actor who actually also his facial expressions are tracked, and then Transposed onto the face of the input target. I mean, I've just been blown away by the app MSQRD. You've seen that right? Where you can can get a little lion face on yourself. Yeah, face swap it. Swap it up. Real time face swap. I'm blown away by that. This is a whole nother level. What are we gonna do when, who among us is going to be able to explain to Kim Jong Un That President Obama didn't say let's drop the nukes on them. Right. It was just a wacky misunderstanding based on some YouTube hijinks. Hilarious hijinks. Or, who's to say that, if we wanna use Kim Jong Un as an example. Who's to say that you can't make a video of him talking saying, well, okay, North Korea, we're part of South Korea now, yay. Yeah. there's no truth, it's the end of truth, Ashley. Well, the- Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria. Mass hysteria. You know we got, like I said, we got a lot of feedback about this. So Dustin actually wrote us an email. And he said, hey Ash and Jeff, I'm Producer Logan. This new face tracking technology is amazing and has potential to be really scary but I do not think it will change a whole lot negatively since we already have seen what Photoshop has done to bring photo editing to the masses. And now we question every video the way we analyze pictures, so we'll just have to adapt to the same thing for video. However While everybody will focus on the negatives, I would to propose a great positive. Alright, I'm ready. I need a positive right here. I do. Okay, so he says that this technology has the potential to make entertainers immortal. Example, you get an important actor that dies in the middle of production or a series, but the story must go on. All they have to do is use an archived image or video of them and then introduce the substitute actor and then presto! So, immortality. Okay, I don't wanna be the glass half empty guy. I like looking at the positive. We do always know you as the real pessimist of this show. [LAUGH] But the dark side of that proposition is you've got Marlon Brando for Tide detergent. Well, You've got the greatest people who ever lived. You've got Albert Einstein, ladies and gentleman, now pitching Huggies. Graphing calculators. Well, it's gotta be in his wheelhouse. I don't see Albert Einstein pitching Huggies, come on. Graphing calculators, maybe. Here's what I think about that. So, we've actually seen the ramifications of this with Robin Williams dying. But in his will, he actually said The digital rights to my image you may not use them for commercial purposes for 25 years at least. I think it's 25 years>>Smart>>And so this is now a saying that public figures, and celebrities and all kind of, probably in the future you watching at home are gonna to figure out like what do I want my digital legacy to be after I'm gone. Do I want to be able to continue in some form, maybe In the future, I can upload my consciousness and have my own face on there. Yeah. These are- I mean there's a lot of cool stuff and don't get me wrong- These are a lot of really cool ideas but it's an important thing to think about because in the future it's going to become important I think. It's already important now to again entertainers, celebrities, athletes. People who. Can have their image licensed and used for promotional value. It has value. Yes, exactly. But be honest Ashley, you're going to use this to make your dog say stuff. 150% This technology, like Facebook, and they're gonna incorporate it into [UNKNOWN]. I just see them [CROSSTALK] Yeah. You're gonna be able to have YouTube videos of you having full conversations with your pet and they'll talk back. I don't trust the internet enough to use this technology for ultra nefarious means because we get distracted so easily by funny, entertaining, dumb things. Our lack of focus will be our salvation. And our undoing. [Laughter] So, let us have shipping and printing. So I thought this was very interesting' we had some very fascinating feedback on this Trumpet gets shipped. This is totally. Not even a trumpet, the, Nothing got shipped. [LAUGH] A 3d printer got shipped, and a trumpet showed up. The items the person shipped did not exist when they mailed the box. When they initially mailed the box. Hey don't worry, I'm gonna ship you nothing, but by the time it gets there, it'll be a trumpet. It'll be a trumpet, I promise. So PostNL made this totally promotional, 100% advertisement for their service. But what they did was they shipped an Ultimaker 2 in a box. See, there it is. Had a power source attached to it. They had said, okay get ready, go. And they set up a little tiny camera in there to timelapse It's printing made it's way to the number one trumpet player in Holland. Yeah. Which is my goodness, what a contest that was. As you do and I mean trumpet champ. Whoo. Holland's trumpet championship. Yeah that' guy who won, definitely deserves the right to toot your own one. I know Future high fives Actually, are we just gonna ignore the fact that way more expensive This is exactly what you were gonna talk about. But despite Tiger to actually toot your own horn junk that's one way to toot your own horn In team dad jokes. Nice. And then, which I loved, I thought it was great. Shayan wrote in and said, considering the variable scale of products instead of wrapping the printer in the box, why not have it in the delivery van. Which I think is interesting. and then Michael wrote in and said, how Expensive would it be to put a 3-D printer in each box, and would the 3-D printer be done printing by the time it get's to you. [LAUGH] So let's discuss. The truck has to keep driving around the block. Just keep going. Not done with the trumpet. Amazon Prime's like I'm sorry it will not be two days it will be 12 days because this is never ever gonna get finished. The cost Of this would be astronomical not only the cost of having a 3D printer inside this box. Which are in the neighborhood of what $1000 to $2000 but also. Ship something this big or ships something this big that weighs. Is way more. That then adds weight to the box as it's being shipped- Highly impractical. And on top of that, you know how expensive it is to ship a heavy object of UPS? It is so expensive. I shipped a clock for Christmas to return it, and it was like $70! Well, you didn't have to ship the clock. You could've just shipped a printer that printed the clock. That printed the clock for me! And that would've been $1000 because these printers are not lightweight. So I just thought this was really entertaining that. It's a cool idea, I suppose. Right. Just sort of on a conceptual basis, but the thing I brought up on Tuesday when we did this story is This isn't the dream, the dream is I have a printer in my house. Right. And I buy the trumpet and no one should say anything! No one should say anything. I just print it in my house. You print it right there in your house or you say, I really wanna buy this and you send it to a local 3D printer- Printing service. 3D printing service- Yeah, right. Then you go pick it up later that day. But I did find it fascinating that over all the shipping where I think it's funny they're like, yeah, through shipping. I'm like, as if the person shipping around that box was not literally handling it as if it were a raw egg. [LAUGH] Yeah. Really being careful with it. They're like I was able to print a playable trumpet. And I'm like yeah, because if you didn't tell the delivery guy what was in that box, then, then it would be impressive. Then it's an ashtray, you get an ashtray, is what you get. [LAUGH] Yeah exactly, you get- This thing, a mangled something. A beautiful, abstract plastic sculpture. That's what you get, you get a free plastic sculpture, okay. Yeah. So let's finally talk about Fisher Price and future toys because, first of all, if you haven't been hanging around Jeff [UNKNOWN] Instagram feed this week, you probably haven't seen that Jeff [UNKNOWN] and his lovely wife are having a baby. Yikes. Aah, it's exciting. He's finally gonna officially join team dad jokes and be a dad, which is the best ever. Yeah, this is happening. It's all happening. So now I'm Paying much more attention to toys and specifically future toys. You're not paying attention anyways. But Fischer Price makes toys for really small children and so they made this video of future toys and the idea of future toys this will be such an interesting conversation to have, because this- I found this on co.design. I have to give them credit, because they had a great interview with a guy, who- His name is- I believe his name is Zeller, hold on a second. Mark Zeller, who's the head of design at Fisher Price, and he talks to the co-design- Look at that. That's cool. That's what I want my alarm clock to be every day. Now that's super cool. And so he talks about what Fisher Price sees as toys of the future. He talks about how millennial parents are going to want to spend more money on less toys. They are going to want quality over quantity. And that these are the types of technologies that people are really gonna be interested in. These sort of- Whereas us baby boomers just buy garbage [LAUGH]. Just a bunch of garbage. But I love this, this idea of sort of having a mat and then putting a toy together, and then sending it to a 3D printer. Locally and then having it, you know, print out a toy for you. Yeah. I don't, this like knitted business is ridiculous and completely unrealistic, but. ANd also like the thing where this baby's hallucinating a whole bunch of butterflies over his carrier because that's also like, that's not a thing. You can't have Not now. But 2025. Midair things projections without some type of screen scrim, I don't know. Like, this I believe in, smart glass. yeah, we saw that at CES. YEah, we've seen that at CES a bunch of times, totally believe that. I think this is a thing that could happen, I mean you have like little projections and things like that. But yeah, this is really interesting. They said toys are gonna cost more. because they're going to be interactive. But that's not going to matter because millennial parents, people who are going to start having kids, or are having kids right now, are going to want these types of toys, as opposed to basic toys. Which is in contrast to, what was it, Hasbro or Mattel, that said at the toy fair, they're like, we're making Toys that are analog. Right. Really making analog toys. So it's been really interesting to see this sort of. I think its Hasbro and this is owned by Mattel so they're like, we're really into interactivity, future toys all that stuff. I love this stuff, we'll have to tune back in, you know in 2025 when we're still doing this show. And see if any of the predictions were correct. I suspect, you know these things that seem so far fetched, it's amazing how quickly we catch up to what people imagine. Yeah. I suspect that the majority of what we see in that video will happen in that short time. If you had to pick one thing you would want to exist from that video for your future upcoming baby What would it be? Touchable holograms. Touchable holograms? Smartglass is pretty awesome. I mean having seen that in person at CES, it really blew me away the fact you can be looking at at CES they had like this cabinet that had books in it and then all of the sudden it's also now displaying the weather for the day. And it's opaque and you can't see the books behind it and then its translucent again and you can just open it up That's pretty wild stuff. I love the kitchen window thing where you're making a recipe and you can see outside and then all of a sudden you tap the corner and then the recipe comes up right in front of you. And then it goes opaque, like you said, and then you do your thing. And then you just tap it again and then all of a sudden there's sunlight again. Amazing! [UNKNOWN] hologram thing at the very beginning where she touches the- Taps the alarm. Awesome. Pretty amazing. I'm ready for all that stuff. Pretty amazing! For me though, not for my baby. And me. So true. [LAUGH] See, and that's the other thing people don't realize. The millennials, they're not buying those things for their kids, they're buying it for them. We want quality over quantity cuz we're gonna be using it. [LAUGH] Yeah. That's exactly right. I just want to show you this really quick, it's a Hey TV that has nothing to do with any of our stories, but I thought it was adorable. Santiago wrote into us and said, just a visitor that came by and wanted to watch the show with me. As a [UNKNOWN] That's adorable. Look at [UNKNOWN] it's so fluffy. I have to say, we are huge in the arachnid community. Arachnid community, yeah. We are major celebrities. That is why so many spiders live in my house. [LAUGH] All so excited to live there. They just wanna get closer. I thought that picture was great. And also if Cale is watching this show, and he might be He probably ran out of his room Is he a big, not a fan. He's very, he does not like spiders, no. So Santiago, you just probably terrified Cale if he's watching. On that note, let's take a quick break. Let's come back with Johnathan Simms. Yes. Man, you guys. You're gonna want to check this out, it's cool. This is gonna be such a great interview. [SOUND] Don't miss it, and don't click away, it's Tomorrow Daily. [MUSIC] Welcome back to the show. Our guest today is a director,an editor, and a visual effects artist. He's also a deep dreamer. We're so excited to have Jonathon sit here with us. Jonathon, welcome to the show. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, you have. You have a lot going on. A lot going on. And we want to try to get through all of it, so let's start with the stuff That I think is most familiar. Sure. A lot of films that I think everybody watching has heard of and knows. You've worked on, you're individual effects. Some indie films such as The Hunger Games. [LAUGH] Yeah. Very small. Yeah. It's I think maybe a That might take off I dunno. One hopes that people will have heard about it by now. You know, there's a real great idea in there, it could end up being a thing, I dunno. So how did you get into special effects. I went to film school and I. Realized that, I think there is a huge market for it and I wanted to be making money right out of film school. So I just started doing visual effects and on my first student films, I didn't even take any visual effects classes, I just started doing visual effects on their student films. And then by the end of it, I had a reel and I was getting work, just like that. So you're self taught. Pretty much. On your. What software were you using at that time? I learn on, of course, After Effects, but then Shake. Shake was where it's at, at that point, which was ten years ago, so. What do you use now, what's your main? Nuke. Nuke? Main go to, Nuke. Nuke's the bomb. Nice. It's the best. It's the future of visual effects. And virtual reality, actually. They're pioneering, like right now, I kind of wish I could sit in on the meetings at the foundry, with all the tools that they're developing for virtual reality production and visualization. It's really, really cool stuff. Well, so, speaking of virtual reality- Yeah. -you may actually get a chance to do that, because of some of the stuff you're doing in VR. And that was one the things that we were the most interested in talking to you about. You've seen pretty rad things going on with deep dreaming and virtual reality, and very high definition. Yeah. Yeah, so my project is called Dreamtime, It's a deep dream VR experience. It was the first high resolution cinematic experience. It incorporates Deep dream objects into a virtual reality context. Can we talk about what deep dream is for people who might not be familiar with that term. Yeah, I'll do my best. It's the elevator pitch of deep dream. The [UNKNOWN] of deep dream is, there's a bunch of artificial neural networks that are taught to look for image patterns. So somebody asked the question, what would happen if we fed it random noise? And then asked it what it saw. And then it kept asking those questions. And so you get these incredibly detailed psychadellic-looking artifacts from a learned neural network. So people like Dreamscope, who I partnered with for this project Or have huge networks of computers that just are talking to these neural networks of artificial intelligence, basically getting them to hallucinate. So the idea here I think-, Putting computers on drugs. Right. That's exactly what's happening. Fascinating stuff. I urge you to Google some of the images. Because the images themselves, I think, will tell the story really well. Yeah. So weird, but also really kind of I would say in some ways inspiring. Yeah it's really a visceral image.>> They're strange and wonderful, just like normal hallucinations, which I find to be so interesting. [UNKNOWN] you're looking at search engines for example, we'll be able to recognize, or can now recognize patterns. So if it looks like a picture of a dog, that's a dog. If you show it a different picture of a dog, yeah, that's a dog too. Things like that, but if you actually ask the computer, the neural network to recognize a pattern when there isn't one, it will start to find patterns and sort of construct these things the way we do as humans. Which you can argue is exactly what we do with everything. [LAUGH] Sure, sure. People love order, people love patterns. They like to kind of find the order in everything, and this is sort of a similar concept but With a very different outcome. We'll see. it was developed for you know search engines. And this is just, this whole dream featuring phenomenon is like a side effect of research that was done for this commercial process. So I'm interested in asking the question, what happens if we We train neural networks specifically for art, and specifically for it to get effects, and that the thing that I like to work with. I'm not a programmer. I just have ideas. [LAUGH] Yeah. You're an artist. The thing is, if you're doing something in virtual reality, you're gonna need Programming, coding. You're gonna need those things. But also there is an element of art to what you are doing. So I think this is pretty interesting stuff, this merging of technology and art and also just hard coding. You're basically We've seen computers used as a paint brush. Yeah. Sure But this is actually AI, used as a paint brush, right? Yeah, it's weird. It's kind of weird to think about in a metaphysical terms, you're basically using Asking this machine to do something for you. And then at what point are we now in a science fiction movie? [LAUGH] Yeah, that's still [UNKNOWN], right? I mean my project is called Dream Time, and it's kind of a recurring dream that I had and now it's also a dream that a computer had, and now it's one that I can share with With viewers. Now it's a shared dream, you're gonna give your dream to everybody, including computers, which is really cool. [CROSSTALK] Yeah. Yeah. To me that's really exciting, the fact that you can invite somebody into your world you're creating as a director so completely And I just want to start the dream, because that's I think where a lot of creativity starts, with dreams. And you're bringing it into virtual reality which I think is the same step to kind of have it be all around you. Right, it's an immersive, really visceral experience as if we tried on the gear VR and And took a look before we did this interview and And we're different people now. let me tell you [LAUGH] I feel changed, I will tell you I do feel changed after seeing a giant eyeball coming at me in the street with a lot of psychedelic imagery around it. It was completely immersive and An incredibly, just, evocative. It's so evocative when you try it. You just feel, you feel when you see it. > I want, I want people to be inspired, and I wanna share, imagination with people. And that's kind of [UNKNOWN]. Was to inspire imagination, The unknown and maybe a little bit of fear. Maybe, I think Just a smidge of fear.>> I know, of course. I think that is important. I think it is good to be unsettled, just a little bit. Sure, I think it is important that really good art makes you a little unsettled. I love that. I think that is so fascinating that that is part of your goal. Yes. Is that, does the element of being unsettled come from the fact that The computer is sort of coming into a more human level of. I think that's part of it. I mean, I think that's part of it. I think it's part of it. I think it's interesting how closely the objects resemble, you know, things. That we see when we hallucinate or when we dream, that's fascinating to me. The unsettling part for me is that you are in essence giving a computer a big bag of shrooms and now you're like, make some Stuff. Yeah. Make stuff make sense. That's it in a nutshell. And one of the problems we've had to deal with is the instinct is to just treat this like a Photoshop folder or like an After Effects folder, and it's really not. It's something entirely different, endlessly complicated. I can I can't speak much about it beyond what I've already said. So like just art directing that, trouble shooting that is, there's no map for it. You can't just say well make this bigger because well we can't because the objects were trained on dimensions this size and we have to train a whole lot of things. It's like okay well how do we How can we work with this? How can we get elements that we can use in a cinematic way, to a certain end. I think I found some answers on this project and I can't wait to do something else and see where it Goes. Sure. And hopefully trip people out, and make them think about that. So what's that process like? What are the next steps? Where's your ambition leading you? So this project is really simple. It's simple in specific ways. We wanted to keep it technically very simple, because we knew we were going to be dealing with high resolution [UNKNOWN] objects. Which no one has really done before which was a wise choice on my part because even though it's a very simple project, it became very complicated because of the deep dream pipeline and you know all the curve balls that threw us. I wanna get involved in, I mean I'm curious to see how else we can, if we can train another neural network to see different things. I didn't even get into, I wanted to kind of use them to drive displacement maps, to drive other visual effects that are kind of more Scripted and not as organic. This is basically just the starting point. Yeah. It's a proof of concept. Yeah it's a concept of what is possible. Yeah. In fact, and it was. This was just a thing that I literally dreamed up on Nuke in six hours one night. And it was really cool. I went on YouTube and found a deep dream by a guy named Johann Nordberg, who his thing started this whole thing, and I had this really low resolution 1920 by 1080 VR thing. It was really simple, and this was around the holidays, so I was bringing it around to like a vacuum cleaner salesman. Would you like to see my dream? Dreams for sale. I was bringing around my You gave your dreams away for Christmas as gifts. Yeah. I guess. [LAUGH] People are like, what are you doing? And people really responded to it, really positively, so I'm like, you know what, I gotta release something, I gotta release something. So, I'm just gonna polish this up, Put it out there, but to do that I needed high resolution debris images. Lots of processing power. Which, so I'm like I can do this, I'm [UNKNOWN], I know some Python, I can use Nuke. I'll just [SOUND]. No, there's no way. There's no way. The famous last words of, it'll be fine I'm sure. No, there's no way. You have to be a hardcore programmer to do this, and I was kind of like, I can't do it, it sucks, I'm just not gonna be able to finish it. So at one point I just posted it on, there's a subreddit on Reddit and I posted it just saying hey guys this is a proof of concept I made. I'd like to make it high resolution I need your help cuz I can't do this. If you want to be a part of it then dreamscope instantly responded with like, we'll do it, just give us credit we have like a whole. we're into it, that's great. And from there They've just been so collaborative and enthusiastic. It's really has been a fun collaboration. Its difficult because they are in San Francisco and I'm in Los Angeles. I'm doing lame things. They're doing lame things. So, it's been fun. I don;t even know these people. No idea, who they are. You don;t know what they look like, if you passed them in the street you would be like I don't know you. No. But because of that collaboration, people are gonna actually be able to experience this right? Yeah. You're gonna go put this out. Yeah, that's gonna be out soon. Yeah. Yeah, soon I hope. Hopefully by the time, developer, it's like developer soon or is it like soon. So it's a standard developer boiler plate response. People want to experience this, how should they keep up, make sure, what do they need hardware wise Okay, so we're gonna be releasing onto because that's the way we want to I'm curious to see if there is a space in the market for a viral virtual video. Sure. I haven't seen it yet because right now I'm so fractured with Oculus and Facebook and YouTube. So, our whole angle is YouTube and Facebook. If you don't have a VR Vizor, you can watch it on your phone. It's a 360 video. You can experience it that way. Okay, Google Cardboard 25 bucks. Yeah. Yeah, is it 29, I thought it was like 3. Well you know what? They give them away so much now that you could probably, I think you can make one out of a Happy Meal in some countries at this point. [LAUGH] So I think yeah, I think you can get them for pretty inexpensive. So with giving it on YouTube, and also on my website, which is wjsims.com, and And you can view it on YouTube we'll find a way to get it on Samsung Oculus at some point. But I think we're going to launch it on YouTube and just see what happens [INAUDIBLE] Awesome. I mean we have a thing we just want to see how you get it out there. That's like the basic question that no one asks about media its like we'll just you know. Where is the platform, yeah. The thing to me that's so exciting about your story is. this is completely undiscovered country. You are really starting a new course, in a place we don't know anything about. Right. Yeah, I"m just really excited. To me, the future is Strange and exciting. I hope people watch this. I hope they find it. I think if it's on YouTube I think that'll get. Because of blogs. It can be posted on blogs. I think people will find it. Sure. Of course. And our show. Our audience is gonna check it out. Threes of people are going to enjoy it from this show. [LAUGH] It's gonna be great. No, we're We'd love to help you get the word out. You guys should really check it. Again, the name of the website. wjaysims.com. wjaysims.com And really briefly, I just want to say, I think that there really might be some value in, and something you should look into is remember how they used to treat PTSD and depression with LSD this would be some alternate. Interesting story about that actually, well, ok With VR. So I had my Samsung developer's kid, and it was Christmas. I went home for the holidays, and my 95 year old grandmother, who's not doing too bad for 95- Sure. But sometimes doesn't know what's going on- I have a 93 year old great-grandmother. I hear you. Yeah, yeah. So I had made a We had, sorry, I had my Google/Samsung gear, and I cued up a goPro video of the ocean, of a beach in Tahiti, and I was like, "Grandma, Grandma, just put it, and she was like 'what', and I said just put it, 'what is it,' just put it." Try it on, yeah. She just like, Me! [LAUGH] Look at that. Just totally. Yeah. Instantly fascinated. Yeah. Her entire demeanor changed. She was completely transported. I think it, once. Slow down, I have less stuff going on. I think a cool charity would be going around to old folks homes with VR masks and like-- Giving them experiences. Giving them experiences. Having like the 80-year-old guy go skydiving. Yeah. You know, or like, you know taking an old lady-- Without all the danger, the experiences without the danger, or the money. Taking an old lady to the beach, or the rain forest, or something. I love it. Or just see Paris again, or whatever you know. Exactly, exactly, so you're definitely on to something. I think there is definitely a therapeutic. Place for VR. Especially for deep dream stuff. And I'm really excited to see what you do in the future. WJsims.com. Yep. Everybody get over there. Thank you. We really appreciate it. That was fantastic. We look forward to dream time. I'm super stoked to really sit down and try it out, and you guys make sure that you check it out. When it drops, you can check our Twitter account. We'll be Tweeting it out. You can always check out WJson.com We will be right back. Yeah, stick around. [MUSIC] Welcome back to the show. That was Crazy and fast. It may not be out by the time you're seeing this. Maybe a few days, but definitely follow us on social media. We'll be tweeting out when you can actually see Jonathan's creation yourself. Because it really is The kind of thing that you have to see than understand. Yeah. You have to really experience it. Yup. And it is truly inexperienced- Yeah. We will say that. Would you like to talk about some crowd finding that is maybe questionable? [LAUGH] Would I? All right. So we're back it or hack it. [MUSIC] Guys, we got to talk about OLO. [LAUGH] I feel like you have some concerns, some consternation. It almost makes me want to start a podcast called we have concerns. [LAUGH] But, I feel like it's already taken. It's a good one though. Wehaveconcerns.com, is that what you said? It's a really good name [UNKNOWN]. Yeah, exactly. If you had a podcast like that, it would be @wehaveconcerns.com and you would have two really good co-hosts. It would, it would be fantastic. [LAUGH] Okay, so OLO. OLO! OLO. It's a smartphone 3D printer. That sounds cool. What's not to like? It does sound really cool. I wanna 3D print stuff from my smartphone. This This is, it's a 100 bucks. So it's not, That sounds inexpensive. not terribly expensive. So far you've got me sold, what do I put my credit card in? They want deliver this year in September. This is the product right here. And it works using your cellphone, okay. I'm ready let's do it. So it uses the light from the screen of your cellphone to work with printing out a model A 3D model, okay. Okay. You can use modeling apps to take pictures of a person or an item [CROSSTALK] I can make a 3D model of myself or my friends and it'll just print it out right from my phone? Yes. You can make a tiny model of your baby when it's born. You can make a little tiny 3D model of your baby, it'll be adorable. I'll let the baby play with the baby. Sometimes you could. You could make your own toys. [LAUGH] So this is, okay, you stick your phone in this thing, and then you put in the materials that you want to use to print, and then you close it up. And then time goes by. And then a lot of time goes by. So you're seeing hours and hours go by. It got dark. And your phone is sitting in there on. So here's my question. One, My phone is not going to keep the screen on for hours, and hours, and hours without running out of battery. That's number one. Well, you plug it, I'm guessing? I guess, so I guess you plug in your phone, too, how many people want to just leave their cellphone on a desk, while they print out a little tiny car? Stop it, no, I get so irritated at this. What? What's she got there.>>Oh, she's making a stamp.>>Oh, okay.>>She's making a custom stamp. But, they talk about in this part of the deal they're talking about how they can make flexible material. They have different sorts of resins that can be used for different applications. It all seems too->>Why does my phone need to be stuck inside? What is happening?>>good to be true. so->>Can't we just download the data into the box and let it That would be super nice. But no, it uses the light from your smartphone screen to print 3D objects. Why does it need the light from my smartphone screen? So the way they talk about this on the website is you pour in the resin, all that stuff. Pour it onto your phone. Yeah there is- Squirt your phone with resin. So here is a time-lapse of it working. So they're like okay. And then you'll see how it works. From the inside. Well, it has an actual timer. Yeah, so we're at 20 minutes now, 30. Maybe it's hours, who knows? [LAUGH] [LAUGH] I can't say for sure. I don't know. It does seem like an hour of not using my phone. But maybe at night? Maybe I wanna print stuff overnight? I guess. While I'm charging my phone? Yeah, that would be a thing. Again- Loud. You get to play a trumpet while you ship. Yeah. Yeah, you print out your trumpet. Can that also be playing music while it's doing that? See, that's what I'm saying. I have a feeling you are not going to have access to your phone this entire time. We're up to three hours. At all, you're at three hours at this point, and what is that? Like what, is it a, I don't know, a ring pop. I don't know what it is. It's a ring pop. Boy. Four hours Four hours for that. To make that. To make that. I just, I don't know. It does seem like if they could, I don't understand why it needs the light of my cellphone. I can understand using the processor of my cellphone. I think it's the materials they use. The resins they use actually are. Photo is reactive or something like that. Yeah. There's a whole, apparently, listen. I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They have been developing it for years. They did show it off. The technology at a couple of Toy fairs and got a lot of really good feedback including from our own site, CNET, but I am still just so skeptical about it. I can't. When is it supposed to, are they have an estimate. September. Really? Yeah, which is fast. It seems like this is gonna get delayed at least till holidays. I'm gonna say that. I wanna try it. I think we should get one. I think we should get one for the show and we should try it. I'm gonna back it. just to I think we should. I'm gonna back it. It's only $100 bucks. I'm gonna back it for you guys, and we're gonna try it on the show. We should print something while we have the show going. You mean while we have 27 of our shows going. We should get an item that only takes like 40 minutes to print. So Nothing. [LAUGH] So like a dot. A coin, a copy of a penny. That's basically what we're. A dot. But yeah, I think that would be really cool and just to see if it's practical. I have two thoughts as to how this could actually work. One is maybe you have an old iPhone or old Android device that it could be your printer. Old phone find, okay. Two is, if you're doing it as, like a toy for kids, it's a combination. Print something cool, and also get off your phone for a second, kids. Get them off your, yeah. [CROSSTALK] And it's like, you wanted to do it- While you do your homework, we'll print you out a toy. Exactly. It's a reward. And you'll get it when you're done with your homework. Smart. See, smart. Carrot in front of child. Yeah. Gotta keep them motivated. And all you have to do is Five hours of homework, and it'll be done. [LAUGH] 500 hours. You'll be dead by the time it's done. Yeah. I don't know, I think I might back it just for the sake of backing it. [CROSSTALK] We should go and try it out if we can. Cuz it seems really fascinating. But FYI, it's 99 bucks. It It has surpassed well-beyond what they wanted, they have over 500, they have over half a million dollars at this point- I think they asked for 80,000. Wow. So they're definitely- this is going to happen. I think. Lo. Over and above the phone part of it, inexpensive 3D printers are Great going to change the world. If you can have a 400 dollar device that prints out anything That is even remotely useful, awesome. I don't know how useful this stuff's gonna be. I'm gonna 3D model a key for my house and see if I can 3D print it out and then see if I can use it. There you go. And then I'm gonna be scared for the rest of my life. On that note, let's talk about things we like. All right. Into it. [MUSIC] I've been trying to cord cut. Yeah? You're making that leap? Yeah, my cable bill, listen guys, I have Verizon and prices are outrageous to have cable [UNKNOWN] no matter who your carrier is. Right. I have Fios, which is fantastic, don't get me wrong. Love the speeds. 75/75 quantum files. Really in to that. I have Time Warner, and I get 350 down. 12 up, which isn't great, but Pretty darn good. But see I got a have upload speed. I decided to try out Playstation View. I'm on the free trial right now. Yeah For the elite package which just got a price cut. It's like $55 bucks a month for over, I think it's around a hundred channels. That's pretty much everything that I used to watched TV with, with the exception of BBC America, which I think will get its own stand alone streaming service because they've pulled all of their content off of all of like Hulu and stuff, Doctor Who and everything. So I think at some point BBC America has already announced they're gonna do a stand alone streaming service, so I'm not worried about that So this is live tv only right? No, interestingly enough I discovered I just started using it two days ago. So you get a seven day free trial and your able to find shows that you like. So Walking Dead for example. You press R1 on your PlayStation cause I use it through PlayStation. You can use it with a Fire TV, theres like a few Chromecast. Theres a few different things you can use PlayStation view with. But I use mine with my Playstation 4. And if you hit R1 when you see a show you like, it adds it to my shows you're seeing right now. And it automatically cloud DVRs like the last couple. I think for up to 28 days. I love the idea of cloud DVR. Me too. So it doesn't matter how big your hard drive is locally. Yes. That's great. So it doesn't save it to your Playstation, it's just in the cloud and you can watch stuff. And the channel guide is weird because it's backwards from normal cable guides. It has all the times vertically and the channels this way. And so it starts with your favorite channels. LIke you tag your favorite channels, and it says okay here's whats on your favorite channels live TV right now. And then you keep going and it's like the full channel list. So, I'm enjoying it. I'm still on a fence on about whether or not wanna go with it because I'm trying to talk to Verizon about lowering my bill cause it's insane, but yeah, it's really, it's good. Like it's really comprehensive, it feels comprehensive so if you've been thinking about it there is a free trial and that is what I am trying right now. And then, also the thing I really liked is, they have a couple of deals if you want Showtime or FX, and I think maybe one or two other types of channels, maybe a sports channel or something like that. You actually get a discount if you're a PlayStation Plus member, for those extra fees, it's like, instead of ten bucks a month, it's like eight dollars a month. That's great. You get like a little percentage off of whatever they have going on for the premium channels, which, I hope they'll do HBO at some point but it's pretty neat. I'm enjoying it and I might, I'm finally feeling like I might be ready to jump ship. So you're not a full thumbs up but not a tentative thumbs up. Yes. So far Thumbs up. So far so good, I won't say, like my god, it was so amazing. There have been some little Yeah. Bump here and there, overall it's been really impressive, like I really was skeptical about it at first and now I just don't feel like it's going to be that cable tv experience and it sure did. That's great to hear. Yeah. More and more options is better. Yes, for every Everybody, so what are you into? Well I wish I could say that I was into Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice. I did see that film, but I did not like the film. It broke my heart a little bit so I thought what I would do instead since this is Into It, I want to talk about what I'm Into To, not what I'm disappointed by. I thought I'd use this opportunity to share one of my favorite Superman stories. This is a comic book story, you could go to your local comic bookstore and find. It's called, Superman's Secret Identity, it's written by Kurt Buseck, illustrated by one of my favorite artists, Stuart Eminen, it's fantastic. It's not recent, I think it came out in the early 2000's at some point, I can't remember the year exactly. But the idea behind this one is that in this comic universe. Comics exist, Superman exists, Batman exists, as comic books. They're comic book characters and the characters in this comic book read comic book and know about them. Are aware of comic books okay. And then one day this kid from Kansas, who happens to be named Clark, starts developing the superpowers that Superman has. So he knows about Superman as this fictional character. And start sort of deciding to be him. And it is so ->>What's that?>>well written. It is a wonderful story. It's one of my favorite superman stories ever and it's takes place in this kinda of weird, it's all world really. It's really a grounded [CROSSTALK] I like it>>By one of the greatest writers of comic It's well worth tracking down you can find it in the collected trade paper back volume probably at most comic stores and on Amazon. So yeah, lots of ways to find it. Nice. So, do that instead of going to see what is I think is a sad, sad money. Spend your money on the comic books instead. Yeah Alright, that's what we're into. Let's talk about your fancy photos from our phonetographers of the day. [music] Thomas, you are the best, you sent in this picture. Look at how gorgeous that is. Where is this taken though, I can't really- My God, I don't recognize that building at all. Thomas writes and says, hi I'm Thomas. And I'm 13 years of age. I took this photo when I was in Paris. I wish I had gone to Paris when I was 13. I love your show and I watch it whenever I can. I took this photo on my iPhone 5C. If this photo is good I'm happy for you to use it on your show. If not, I would be delighted to hear how I can improve this Listen, Thomas, you're a really good photographer for a 13 year old so I'm just gonna say, you keep on trucking and just take more pictures. I know how he could improve the photo, he could have invited us to Paris and we could be in it with him. We should be standing in front of the camera, really. That one's a little bit better for me. We should be waving from the top, like hey guys, we're at the top. [LAUGH] No this is great, I love it. Gorgeous. It's a beautiful, beautiful shot, and- Got the Sun in there, got a little tiny bit of that sort of Lens flare going on. It's just a gorgeous shot of the Eiffel Tower, really, really great. Hey, if you wanna be our phonetographer like Thomas, all you gotta do is send us your photo. It's right here tomorrow@cnet.com. Yeah, and give us permission to use it. Make sure you attach it. That's important. Tell us what device you took it on, and also tell us a little story about it because we like your stories. We do like your stories. Also, you can also find us on social media. We're all over the place. We love hearing stories, not just about your photos, but all kinds of stuff. Yeah. I'll give it to you back on the show, and maybe ways that Thomas can improve his photography if you want, I don't know. No, I don't think he can improve. I think they're pretty great. I think he just keeps taking photos. That's how he's going to improve. That's a good point. Good point. Keep taking pictures, Thomas. You do it. You live the dream. [LAUGH] I'm gonna get Shia LaBeouf in here to be like don't let your dreams be dreams. Do it! Just do it. Thank you again to Jonathan Sims for stopping by and showing us that amazing dream time. It was And I can't wait for you guys to check that out. We'll let you guys know when that goes live. Make sure you follow us. We'll be back next week with a brand new docket of science fact meets science fiction like a delicious science sandwich for you. Who doesn't love Science-wich. Who doesn't love science sandwiches. Hey, until then- [Make it human?]. See you guys next time. Bye. Bye.

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