Welcome, everybody, to the Crave Cast.
Once again, I'm your host, Eric Mack, and I'm live from my delightful little hobbit hole here in New Mexico.
And joining me just a little further south is Crave's Amanda Kooser.
And also live in the CNET studios in San Francisco are the rest of the crew.
It's Kelsey Adams, Bonnie Burton, Jeff Sparkman, and behind the controls even Bilbo Beecham.
And I have made the Hobbit references and adorned myself with the fro circa [UNKNOWN] 1994.
because it is Hobbit Day, ladies and gentlemen.
September 22nd is the reputed birthday of both Bilbo and Throdobag and so I have donned the throw in order of Throdo.
Also, today we're going to talk a little bit about some things in the world maybe a little bit more Like Middle Earth.
And then later on we'll get back into the swing of things.
And of course, because we can't help ourselves, we'll talk about Star Wars and the hype around Star Wars.
And we'll see what we can do to hype the hype.
And also, stay tuned because we're going to have a very interesting discussion about sex robots.
I know that'll keep a lot of you.
Yes, we are.
[LAUGH] If nothing else.
And because it seemed appropriate, I have a robot here to chime in on the discussion.
We've got the Amazon Echo, [INAUDIBLE].
Oh my gosh!
I'm pretty sure you can make any robot a sex robot, so just be careful with that.
I have a really contentious relationship with my Echo, but I would never
have sex with him.
I don't know.
Fortunately, we do not have an info-graphic for that.
but, you know, Alexa's gonna provide some comic relief.
So, Alexa, can you tell us a joke.
Alexa, tell us a joke.
He's always like this.
You're ignored just like a [INAUDIBLE] hair
[LAUGH] Wow, shut up.
I would just like to say that I do not provide jokes for that man.
Yeah, that's a horrible joke.
Break up with her.
Amazon humor, ladies and gentlemen.
We should also point out that Kelsie brought doughnuts so we can 11 of these since it's Hobbit day so we are eating
You can't have Hobbit day without food>>I know>>Aww delicious
Well and speaking of Hobbit day do we have any of the audio Steven of Tolkien reading the Hobbit?
Keep taking and I will get that.
Keep talking [CROSSTALK] [UNKNOWN]
[UNKNOWN] Google [UNKNOWN].
Just do not play that [UNKNOWN] song from either Shatner or Spock because I think it is copy-written and we will get in trouble.
Well if it's on SoundCloud it's good, right?
Tat's the way it works?
Oh here it is, yeah.
I think we should be fine, okay.
That's not really how it works.
Oh my God, you're so not a lawyer.
If it's on SoundCloud it's fine.
As long as it's already been pre-stolen right?
It's all good.
Okay, let's hear him.
Deep down here in the dark water lived old Gollum.
I don't know where he came from nor who or what he was.
He was Gollum, as dark as darkness.
He had blue, big round pale eyes.
He had a boat.
And he road about quite quietly on the lake, and a lake it was Wide and deep root that let go.
He found it was large feet dangling over the side, but never a ripple did he make.
He was looking out of his pale, lamp-like eyes for blind fish.
If he could have, with his long fingers as quick as thinking.
He liked meat too, gobbling, he thought good.
And he took care I never found him out.
He just throttled them from behind as they came down alone anywhere near the edge of the water while he was prowling about.
They very seldom did, for they had a feeling something unpleasant was lurking down there Down at middle to the mountain.
There's kind of a lake tunneling down long ago, and they found they can go no further.
This is what books are like before you [CROSSTALK]
He's really good.
I'm gonna say is that
We had just segwayed from sex bot so it still sounded like weird erotica to me.
Let's face it, it was always going to.
It was always going to.
I don't know.
I have this problem that if I kind of tune out when someone's talking, I just pretend it's Erotica that they are saying and so it [CROSSTALK] [UNKNOWN]
How is that a problem?
No it is a problem when you do the opposite like when you are in a meeting and just pretending [CROSSTALK] [UNKNOWN].
No when I [CROSSTALK] [UNKNOWN>> [UNKNOWN] drivers test.
Yeah [UNKNOWN] awkward.
Every time Tolkien talks it just sounds like the drunk [UNKNOWN] from thanksgiving that is talking about eating so I just
He was describing a Hobbit sex scene.
Yeah, I mean there is Hobbit erotica and I'm not going to go there but you can Google it, and you're welcome.
Well I'm curious.
Bonnie., if you can put that creepy habit to the test with this next story.
Our first one.
Why yes, I can.
This is not a big challenge for me, so yeah.
So Amanda, you had our first Middle Earth.
Or medieval themed story.
There was a skeleton.
At a very odd place and you covered it.
LAUGH] This comes out of Ireland.
There was a very old beech tree about 215 years old that got knocked down in a pretty major storm, so we're talking about a pretty large tree, not too unusual, except that inside the roots of it they found a skeleton or half a skeleton because the other half was in the ground.
got torn in half when the tree fell over.>>They call it essentially an archaeological CSI unit to come in and find out where the skeleton came from.
They have a 200 year old tree on top of it.
What they discovered was that it was a young man No more than twenty years old.
Knife wounds to the ribs, to the hands, and that it dated from the early medieval period.
So we've got a very fascinating thing.
It's kind of caught the internet's interest because well mainly because of the weird way it was found.
It's also an interesting historical artifact of course.
I love that there's an archeological CSI.
Why is that not a show?
I know that
Like that a show
That is a cool show.
I mean Cyber CSI is pretty silly, but I would watch archology CSI.
And stab wounds to the hands those are defensive wounds right?
Yeah, Those are defensive wounds.
It's not like he had, did he have a blow to the skull?
Was there like Yeah, it's all about the rhythms and the hands.
Rhythms and hands, so that's defensive moves.
Way to use your CSI lingo [LAUGH].
Oh, I know why they don't have a show of it because Bones was already taken.
How do you we know the tree didn't kill him?
[LAUGH] What tiny, little tree knives.
I don't know, I-
The tree is younger than he was.
You call that an alibi?
We can break that.
I'm just gonna say I've been watching a lot of Evil Dead, and.
The tree, and in the Hobbit in Lord of the Rings,
Also evil trees.
There's also evil trees in Lord of the Rings.
Evil trees is the actual theme of this.
I think this is an int murder.
"And they think that also could be a show."
"Yeah, like trees that kill.
Trees who kill.
That's a Lifetime show."
"And the women who love them."
"And the women who love them."
"What if you, if you were murdered I guess, by trees in slow motion."
Stabbing by sampling, I don't know.
I think the roots, the roots, yeah.
We'll leaf that right there.
Hey Amanda I was doing some research on this actually after you wrote the story and it's.
It's pretty common to find medieval skeletons underneath things like parking lots and stuff.
I was actually pretty shocked.
I was like wow, that happens all the time.
Okay RIchard the Third.
So it's pretty, yeah, Richard the Third was found in a parking lot or something.
Well, that's what happens because we are such a young country
All we find are arrowheads and Indian burial grounds under Suburbia.
And we don't really get that kind of-
So you're pretty excited to go back a couple hundred years on the continent.
Any time we see any medieval stuff, we instantly think King Arthur.
I always I would think home out, but that's just the Buffy and me.
But I always love hearing this types of stories.
I just hope that more trees give up the corpse.
Yeah, come on, knock it over those trees, people.
Yeah knock over the, pavetheearth.com.
I want to see like a more Stories like this.
Cuz I think this gets the interest of the next generation of archaeologists, cuz they realized, oh there's stuff in my own backyard or oh there's things I can find now.
It will just be interesting to see as more.
More and more towns get gentrified, and more and more construction happens in maybe wooded areas.
Find more skeletons.
They'll find more-
Jump start those bones.
Jump start those bones.
I loved this story.
I thought it was great.
Yeah, it's cool.
I like anything where it's
All of a sudden you find a medieval corpse in the most unexpected places, which is another show that could happen.
Well we don't have more medieval corpses, Bonnie, but we do have medieval ceremonial grounds, or maybe this is an example of medieval gentrification actually because
Around the same time the skeleton was found, I wrote about the bigger brother of Stonehenge, which was actually discovered about a mile and a half from the actual Stonehenge, the huge rocks.
There was actually a second one that has even more like a line of huge stones that they found using ground penetrating radar.
And other high tech stuff.
Here's the video of it, that's pretty cool.
This is a 3D animation.
But you can see there, there's a big line of huge boulders.
This is showing what it would have looked like maybe a thousand years ago or so, before these boulders were actually buried.
But most of them are still under there.
So again, this is just about a mile and a half from Stonehenge, and it's actually even bigger than Stonehenge.
But they are just in a row so how do we know they are just not fence posts, like medieval fence posts?
well, they are huge.
I mean some of these are like 12 feet tall and then they were apparently somehow like placed and knocked over to kind of form The barrier of what was probably like a ceremony ground and they said that at the time in a the middle ages, this may have been one of the largest settlements in Western Europe.
So pretty interesting stuff.
I mean you think like you have something Stonehenge is one of the more amazing medieval monuments, but actually, the big thing was buried right next to it.
Well, it's also interesting is so many conspiracy theorists think that Stonehenge either has an ancient alien aspect to it or it has some sort of
Merlinesque, witchy magic thing.
Hey, I saw Halloween 3.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Merlin approaches the Stonehenge thing.
And Stonehenge is used in so much Sci Fi and fantasy.
so it would be interesting to see now that this has been discovered as more authors.
Try to incorporate a made-up history of it.
They were star gates.
So star gates, yeah.
No, I love this stuff because it means we're going to get more interesting fiction.
[LAUGH] So and another-
That's a good word.
And another ancient alien series maybe.
I love that show.
Yeah me too.
Star reported on this and said they're actually found 17 previously unknown monuments in this area, so there could be-
Once they get down to it we could be finding all sorts of stuff.
Who owns that land?
Is that government land?
Or is it some really lucky farmer that's gonna make a ton of money, I'm just curious, is it considered
Is Stonehenge considered like one of those
It's already part of a national park
Okay, that's what I was going to ask
Is it one of the seven wonders of the world, too?
Or am I tripping out on that?
I don't know.
I don't think it's one of the seven wonders.
Where those manmade?
Those were manmade right?
Hanging Gardens of Babylon is all I can ever remember.
I don't know.
The Colossus at Rhodes?
But Eric, do you know how these stones were buried?
Was it just over time they just
Were buried or did someone actually bury them?
Or was it a wizard?
It sounds like they were buried on purpose as kind of like a barrier or like the side of this kind of encampment like a hinge is actually a word for this kind of like ancient like settlement area or ceremonial area>>Um>>like this it's actually a.
Like medieval architectural spin.
So it sounds like it was buried on purpose.
Ooh, maybe they were getting attacked by those worm things from Tremors.
So are they gonna let the public visit this?
Because I know now, because there was so much
I thought they locked it down, right?
Well, Stonehenge is locked down
They locked it down.
because of graffiti and people were chipping away at the rocks to steal it for like, probably Americans,
Stealing it away for
their own little curio cabinets or just on eBay, I don't know.
It was getting to the point where whoever's in charge of the tourism aspect of Stonehenge, it's now closed off to the public, so you can't go up and touch one of the rocks and pretend
You're in like, outland.
[LAUGH] Back when my mom to Stonehenge you could just walk up and touch it.
There's no fence, there's no organization or anything.
But now, so many people have ruined it so you can't get up to it.
People have ruined it for the whole henge.
So if you can't get up to it and get up close and personal with the henge.
Can you do it with the new one that is.
You would have to dig it up, I guess, which they probably wouldn't do.
Oh, I thought this was already dug up.
So it's not even dug up.
It's still in the ground.
It's a giant stone.
They don't have time to dig it up.
Well, that ruins the story.
I thought it was already up and you could write on it.
Okay, never mind.
I clearly wasn't paying attention to the story.
Well I bet I know what your mind was on, Bonnie.
I know, sorry.
Naughty giant, never mind.
Let's just dig deep into your psyche.
Well sometimes a rock is just a rock.
I don't always think that way.
Digging deep, I see.
All right, well you wrote something, I think yesterday, that was probably [UNKNOWN].
Talking about sex robots.
Right, so last weekend.
Or I think it was around Friday.
Friday there was something called campaign against robots or campaign against sex robots.
I don't remember the campaign title.
I think it was campaign against sex robots and it was a psychologist that was.
Or a sociologist.
Or I think she was called a robot anthropologist.
I didn't even think you could be one.
[LAUGH] I kind of want to be one now.
That's another T.V.
[CROSSTALK] Every time I write these C-net articles, I see these titles that people just make up for themselves.
It's kind of like Remember when everyone was a web ninja when the internet started?
That doesn't even make sense.
Ninjas would never sit by a computer and type HTML all day.
That's where you wouldn't think to look for them.
[LAUGH] I know.
So I don't know what a robot anthropologist is, but sociology or whatever person decided to.
Publish a paper warning humans that if we have sex robots, we're gonna objectify humans and love relationships.
All I kept thinking is, where have you been since Adam and Eve, because.
We're going to objectify humans.
We've been objectifying humans since, I mean, that's all of advertising, that's everything.
That's why I'm here really.
That's why, I mean half.
The Bible's like that?
I mean, it's not anything new.
But I guess people are worried that this will objectify women.
Think of the women and the children.
It's always that argument.
Never think of the sex [UNKNOWN]
She's saying that if people get used to thinking of sex as something I get from an object that I control and can abuse.
You mean like a vibrator [CROSSTALK].
That's been around forever?
Let me finish.
I think this is her argument.
Then they'll extend that to thinking anything, any person that I get sex from is also an object I [CROSSTALK].
Control and abuse.
I think is the argument that's being made.
Which was odd coming [CROSSTALK].
In the campaign against sex [CROSSTALK].
Odd coming from a woman.
[LAUGH] Considering that there have been sex toys since sex.
And we haven't, not all of us named them.
So I don't know.
And these sex robots that True Companion is a company that's bringing them.
They're kind of like a real doll, I think most people would know what that is.
Which is the number one sex doll company for realistic, expensive looking dolls.
And we talked about- [CROSSTALK] Yeah, we talked about this earlier, that you can get them in celebrity form.
And I think Margaret Thatcher was the number one.
But with True Companion, don't go any further.
I'm telling you right now.
All I know is a bunch of lawyers just went [SOUND].
Yeah, don't do that.
Don't click on anything called Video.
But there's Roxxxy.
That's Roxie and Rocky, That's forever.
So if you actually pinpoint how much you spend on a real human, that's pretty cheap.
That's getting off cheap, literally.
How would you even collect on that warranty?
Would you have to mail it back?
I don't know.
I kept thinking of the Black Mirror episode, with What they're.
With David Cameron?
No, no, no.
Not the pig.
Not the pig.
Not the pig one.
It's the one with Agent Carter.
Hayley, oh what's her name?
Hayley Atwell, and the
The oldest Weasily brother, dragon guy, Dominic, who's gonna be in the Star Wars movie.
He plays a robot companion that looks like her late husband and it's to help her get over
His death, but in the end, you realize she's just enabling.
So, it's not just for sex, it's for lonely people, it's for people who want a companion.
And there's been movies made about people who fall in love with their robot companions or-
This is a classic Isaac Asimov story.
Right, or use their robot companions to get them drugs, like in Frank.
I mean, there's But it happens.
So, my whole pitch with this whole article, this whole commentary, was that I'm not worried about humans objectifying other humans because of this, cuz we already do that.
I'm Worried about robot abuse.
So it's like the Spielberg movie, A.I., which there are sex robots in that as well.
And they do that sex robot fight.
It's like the Gladiator.
Scene with the robots.
And the poor little teddy bear robot.
All I kept thinking of
just let the robot be.
They were just there to love us and now we're abusing them because they're machines and they don't have any rights.
Exactly what Steven Spielberg was trying to do.
And that's exactly what he was trying to do.
But there's so many science fiction writers out there and films out there about these types of robots.
And I Tried to show off Cherry 2000.
Oh, well that's Austin Powers.
So we all know how that ended up, and that's just basically never trust a fembot because they're gonna kill you.
Yeah, well there are maybe two basic types.
So the types that's sort of a victim where we worry for our personhood.
And then there's the type that is a threat
So maybe we also root for them as well.
I don't know.
I think Austin kind of deserved that.
Austin's a threat in this thing right here.
Yeah, look at that.
That's threatening, and oh, that hair.
What do they call that, when the hair goes all the way down?
It's just not good.
No, stop showing him.
I wanna hit him.
Okay, you want Terry 2000?
[CROSSTALK] So Terry 2000 is the movie that I reference quite a bit in the article because one, it's a great movie, if you haven't seen it it's on Netflix, it's on, are we gonna watch the whole movie?
[CROSSTALK] The trailer.
That's how long ago it was, it was from Orion
So here's the thing
Meg Ryan's in it, with the original Meg Ryan face.
Or not Meg Ryan, I'm sorry, what's her face.
Melanie Griffith with originally around Melanie Griffith's face.
But the cool thing about Cherry 2000 is that it takes place in 2017.
Ooh, two years away.
So is the sex bar, this is Cherry 2000
They don't have hover boards either.
Look how great she, look at, everyone wants that right?
But the problem is she malfunctions in the bathtub cuz you really shouldn't get your sex bot in the bathtub.
I'm just picturing Leslie our editor right now going why are you showing this.
Don't show all of this.
She's a robot.
So there she goes.
There's a robot.
Robot so he has to go get her fixed but because it's a model that's an old model.
Kind of like some of us still have our iPhone 4.
He has to go find her parts in the middle of nowhere and that's where he needs Melanie Griffith who's like this renegade.
It's pure, it's pre Mad Max but kind of close to Mad Max.
So you have to go to Mad Max ville to find her parts.
Get her fixed, fall in love with her all over again, but as we know in ROMCOM she's going to fall in love with a human, cause that's how that goes.
Sorry spoiler, but you should watch the movie because it's got some really good references, also Humans, which is a new TV show that we've talked about on CNET.
I didn't even think to put that in the article.
But, that's also something to think about with human helpers, and how much they're going to help us in everything.
And then, I was also referencing Blade Runner.
In the article because we're getting a new Bladerunner movie so it will be interesting to see if they talk about sexbots.
But of course, there is a sexbot in Bladerunner and Chris, who's actually a deadly sexbot.
So, again, these are bots that don't need my sympathy.
They can probably fight their own battles.
But I am worried about the future, which isn't too far away, of us having robots in our homes as part of our family.
And we shouldn't abuse them, yet.
Now I'm thinking Wally erotica.
You just ruined.
That's exactly why.
Anyway, my article wasn't necessarily about, hey, humans, we're degrading and she was scary.
Race of sex depraved people that will **** anything with an outlet, That's not what I was trying to go for.
The whole point
We never said we objected to that.
Yeah, I'm just saying the whole point of my commentary was eventually we are probably going to have to deal with robot rights if they are looking more and more like us
They have AI so they can think for themselves, and that's what these true companion robots have AI now.
So they're programmed to have conversions with you.
Now wether or not they can debate the GOP debate with you, or talk about stocks or whatever, but they can I don't know if they're
It's kind of like the new Barbie robot that
that can have a conversation with
Oh my god.
That thing is crazy.
It's like a life sized
Barbie that can talk.
But it's supposed to have conversations with you, and you can have, and you can even ask for it be argumentative, or you can ask for it to be really docile and agree with everything you say.
So, I know this sounds really scary people- [CROSSTALK] But that is the future, and that's something we have to think about.
And so, anyway, my column was Well, yeah, this is something we have to think about but keep in mind eventually we are going to be voting on whether robots can marry robots which I did an article on CNET not long ago and we're gonna have to think about well, what does, what kind of rights should robots have if they have an eye and can think for themselves and feel?
And have emotions and all this stuff.
So it'll be very interesting in the future, I don't think we're quite there yet.
Right now we're just having sex with them.
Let's test it out, why don't we test it out live.
And see where we're at.
Wait, what are we testing?
Do you find me, do you find me attractive?
I didn't find that in your past orders.
You forgot to tell her to tell you you're awesome.
Try it again.
Alexa, do you find me attractive?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I wish I had eyes so I could behold yours.
Damn, she flirted back.
She likes your voice.
She's flirting with you.
I wasn't expecting that.
That almost sounded like it was gonna go into you have a nice personality.
I'm probably too mean to mine, that's why she doesn't talk like that to me.
Yeah, when Siri first came on board, I tried to flirt with Siri and she wasn't having it.
She kept giving me directions to like some Like, weird massage parlor.
I don't know.
Here's the thing, I haven't looked at the comments of this article, so if any of you are looking at this article, it went up yesterday.
And it should-
[LAUGH] No, please don't.
Don't read them out loud.
There's only six?
There were 16 last time I looked at it.
No, you're not looking at the right, no.
I'm on your story here.
The layout is different and you have to show comments and it shows maybe top six and then it will go.
Are you in the right article?
I don't believe you.
Oh, no, I'm sorry.
I'm on the invisibility cloak article.
That's a different accessory.
Yeah, that's a different accessory.
[LAUGH] But anyway, it's an interesting concept.
I probably will be talking about this more often.
I don't know.
I just wanted to talk about because I'm just so tired of
Humans telling other humans that we're gonna be more depraved because we fall in love with machines.
I don't think that's--\
We already are in love with machines.
I married R2D2, I'm perfectly fine.
Well, I've heard stories about that.
Well, we have an open source marriage.
He can see other droids, I can see other people, it works out great.
But now I just, thank you for bringing that up.
I'm glad I could ruin our [UNKNOWN] cast talking about robot sex.
I plan to continue the discussion a little bit.
In the next [UNKNOWN] cast we'll, I actually interviewed the Transhuminist Party Candidate for President.>>Oh.>>His name is Zolton Eastabon.>>That's a great name.>>It is a good name.
He's a good looking guy, too.>>Alright.>>So we're working on that.
That will be ready for the next Crave Cafe and the interview will be up in the next couple of days, so>>Trying to find him.
Oh, I found him Myself.
I will say, though, if you are-
You think Zotan?
That's not how I pictured.
It's like, it looks like-
He looks handsome.
He looks like a young Putin with hair.
I don't know, I wanted him to look a little wackier.
Yeah, I did wanna, if we are gonna segue, at some point, into Star Wars, I will say there is a Pleasure Bot in Star Wars, in the prequels.
and she's nicknamed Bettie Bot.
She was designed after Bettie Page because George Lucas is a Bettie Page fan, and she's called Bettie Bot and she's in the prequels.
So, you will have to watch it, but she's in Revenge of the Sith.
So, she's in the most tolerable of all the prequels, and it's in the opera scene which we always called squid lake.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Because there's opera and there's.
There was supposed to be the whole you're supposed to be able to see it kind of like in Fifth Element the opera singer was weird.
:>>That was great.
It was supposed to be like that but I guess we ran out of money.
I don't know.
I say we like my last name's Lucas.
Yeah, she's in Clone Wars.
She's in Clone Wars.
Is she also, did she become available on Force Friday?
Everything else did.
But if you look at BB-8 as a sector, I can't help you.
That's very telling since I dated R2-D2, but I'm just saying.
Got a roll>>sorry let's go to Amanda and Amanda tell us about some of the Star Wars merchandise you've seen already lately but cause I was at a kids birthday party is kinda why we are having this discussion over the weekend and the birthday party was like nothing but Star Wars episode seven merchandise I mean it was.
It's all out there Bonnie, you've covered it too.
Yeah, I did of course buy a gallery which had like the best of but there's so much stuff that I know Amanda's covering a lot of the stuff.
I definitely forgot that there was so many Lego kits, so many Hasbro kits.
And then of course if you go around and seen it and do a search for bb-a you'll see all the Spyro videos we did.
Not only unboxed Spyro, played with Spyro, we dissected Spyro so we could see what his innards looked like.
Poor Spyro, he went through the scariest of science experiments so we could see.
[LAUGH] So he's all over the place.
I would say Spyro was probably the number one.
Toy that was talked about during Force Friday, because everybody wanted one, is tiny.
I did a story about it from Vanity Fair, they had dogs chasing it.
And the video looked like Sphero was huge, but then I found out the dogs were all tiny.
So that's why-
Forced perspective, nice.
I wasn't even joking.
And then Amanda, you did an awesome gallery of weird Star Wars stuff, and the BB
Yeah there is, ThinkGeek is having pre-orders for full size BBA plush so essentially you know, the head does not move, it does not roll but it is giant and it is squishy and so I guess if you wanted to hug a droid that is probably your best way to do it.
It is the most comfortable way to do it.
There's some other interesting little products out there.
There's Falcon Toys who kinda makes like remixed sci fi toys, came out with a super limited edition, sorry, sold out, Pop Tart It's actually made out of vinyl, but it has a Han Solo frozen in carbonite on the frosted front of it.
See, I think that should be a real sandwich iron.
I know, right?
I don't see any reason it should be.
They make stuff like that in Japan all the time.
But yeah, the only problem is I don't think LucasFilm has their Pop-Tart license anymore or else that could be a thing.
But vinyl toys, I don't know if that was licensed.
Though I feel like it wasn't-
[CROSSTALK] Yeah, no and it was not marketed as a Pop Tart or as a Star Wars thing but it's Han Solo frozen on what looks like a Pop Tart.
It was a vinyl toy.
Which vinyl toy collectors are huge so they probably I mean the carbonite, I would think Han in carbonite's the one thing that gets.
Done over and over and over.
I just, the flavor.
The pop tart.
Well I did the article on, if you preordered Star Wars Battle Front from Walmart.
And you paid $60 extra you got the mini fridge of.
Han in carbonite mini-fridge, which I thought was pretty amusing too.
That's pretty great.
But I mean, we've done Han in carbonite desk tables, we've done Han in carbonite everything, really.
Rugs, I mean ThinkGeek's great, if you just do Han in carbonite, you'll probably find everything you could ever want for your home.
[CROSSTALK] What's funny is star wars the old republic the mmo they act like freezing people in carbonite is just a normal way of transporting them [LAUGH] If you actually watch the movies it was this thing they improvised on the spot and they weren't sure it was going to work
Well the weird thing is in the clone wars cartoon they do it
And they do it not with Han Solo because it's different.
They can't play the game for that.
No they can't.
They do it as an experimental thing, and then eventually Vader gets his hands on one.
And I feel like he's kind of like the beta tester for the carbonite, the freezing chamber.
And then after that I wonder if in the new movie, since it's many, many years after, if that will be the Uber.
There should be a better technology.
Well, I feel like that's the Uber of Star Wars is carbonite.
I feel like everybody gets, not carbonated.
But there were so many, my favorite thing from your gallery, Amanda, was Was it Chewbacca Crocs?
That's two of the worst things to have your feet.
Furry and crocs.
I'm just looking at that thinking about how much cream you're going to have to buy for you athletes foot.
And how bad they must smell.
They must smell like a wet Wookie after a while.
So I think Chewbacca Crocs almost makes
the point for me which is, is this too much hype?
I mean, it feels like this is way more than
We need more!
I think it's too much.
It's too much.
I already know so much about the movie, too.
I don't want to know anything about the movie.
I want to wait 'til it comes out.
This is a bigger
It's been a bigger lead-up to this one than even of Episode One, right?
I can tell you right now, Phantom Menace was probably the number one marketing don't.
Which is do not make a zillion Jar Jar toys until you find out-
If people like him or not.
if people like Jar Jar.
And it's interesting because those of us that grew up with Star Wars, I remember getting the Star Wars toys before Empire Empire strikes back.
So I got the Boba Fett toy and I thought he was going to be a major character with all these lines.
I called him, Nigel and I made up this huge back story for him.
Then, when I finally saw the movie, he has three lines.
We barely see him.
He actually says more in the Star Wars cartoon that was in the Star Wars holiday special.
Than he does in the movies, and it was just like what the he.
So it was the opposite with Jar Jar where they made everything from vibrating toothbrushes, which is also pretty disturbing if you look at it.>> [UNKNOWN]
They had so much Jar Jar merchandise before they realized.
Wait a minute, there might be a whole generation of people who hate Jar Jar.
Were there jar openers where you would flap-
That would have been great.
We almost did that for Star Wars Shop, where it was the Jar Jar ears for the open.
Did they have cookie Jar Jars, though.
But they had everything else.
The one thing they didn't do.
But they had everything else.
They didn't do anything on his name as a pun but everything else.
With this, I feel like we're teetering close to that over-marketing, but you have to remember that this is Disney.
So Disney owns LucasFilm now, and if you know anything about Disney, you know they market the crap out of their movies, and there's toys "And toys, and toys, and toys of just one movie.
So, of course they're going to go completely whole hut as it were."
"And just completely go overboard and do all the toys.
But I am with you, Stephen.
Like, if you're trying to stay somewhat spoiler free"
"Don't look at the toys, yeah."
"Don't look at any of the toys, because they are going to give away names, and the vehicles, and the planets."
Even the battle names, they've already revealed in the Lego sets, so you're like wait a minute, what's that?
The Massacre of Session set, total spoiler.
Yeah, the death of or the battle of, and you're like holy crap, what's happening?
Get off the plane.
So if you want to stay spoiler free, get out of toy stores and don't be online ever again until January.
They did that huge roundup for First Friday.
Did you have any favorites from that?
I love, so I got the [UNKNOWN] robot that was $150.
I wanted to see if my dog would chase it and she sniffed it a couple of times and then slept with it.
She actually put it in her mouth, brought it over to her dog bed and slept with it.
So I'm going to do a video for C Net of my dog sleeping with Spyro.
It's going to be just sleeping with Spyro.
Tha's all it is.
But I really liked the RC toys.
The remote control drones.
because we've done so many remote control Star Wars toy Articles of people that just DIY their own.
But now you can get them.
So you can get a Millenium Falcon that you can fly around like a drone, and that's for sale now.
But I personally love ThinkGeek stuff, because it's home decor.
It's stuff for your home.
So I'm getting the Millenium Falcon dinner tray, and the Bento Box.
That's the Bento Box with the R2-D2.
That's pretty nice.
This is cool, the sandwich thing.
How cool is that?
And you can imprint the Death Star into your sandwiches.
They already have a lot of R2-D2 stuff from Japan, like soy sauce containers and things, but this is pretty amazing.
I actually did a bento roundup last year.
Yeah, how cool is that?
You can make you a little, yeah.
And there's the Death Star plate, yeah.
Bologna sandwich Death Star.
I mean, come on.
There's an exhaust port joke here somewhere.
I know, I know.
I just, I'm gonna make Death Star grilled cheese sandwiches like crazy.
Like, I mean, they should never have a Storm Trooper doing a cooking show, though.
You can't see anything.
It's like that heavy metal cooking they have on YouTube.
How's he seeing anything?
I mean, they can't even hit the-
Yeah, he's got better aim there then-
They can't hit the broad side of a Death Star, let alone make a sandwich, but whatever.
Amanda, what do you think?
Is this all too much?
Oh yeah, but I love it.
But bring it on.
Have you gotten any stuff?
What have you gotten so far, Amanda?
I'm curious what you buy, if you were gonna buy stuff.
Well I haven't actually bought anything yet.
It is a bit of an overload.
Where do you start?
I am a fan of home decor items, but I mean, we're gonna have to see here.
We're still kinda far away from the movie coming out.
We've got a couple months here.
So, I'm kinda holding out.
I'm like waiting for that thing that just totally jumps out and wows me, which I'm sure will happen at some point.
I feel like the closer we get to Christmas and Hanukkah, the more we're gonna see
See like even crazier stuff>>Oh yeah totally>> To buy and to have for presents and I think it's a great time to be a geek, but it's a great time to be a geek with disposable income.
Yeah, that would be nice wouldn't it ?>> There were a lot of people online and in our comments talking about force Friday and how they're going to have to open another credit line, because there's so many and lego is not cheap, those lego sets are not cheap and Hasbro adds up
$20 [UNKNOWN] action figure.
I know I have to buy two [UNKNOWN] because my sons are going to [UNKNOWN] [CROSSTALK] I want to play.
Yeah, I feel bad for parents because when we were kids these things were cheap and now they are really expensive.
[UNKNOWN] my parents.
What am I, made of money?
Boy, I'll tell you what.
I played with sticks.
I think it's a good time to be a Star Wars fan and a Star Wars collector and a Star Wars kid.
I think all those three intersect to, how much stuff can you cram into your house from Toys R Us or wherever you buy your toys.
"I don't know.
It's funny, I buy everything online now."
"So I haven't been inside a toy store in forever."
"I almost have gone into Toys R Us a couple of times."
"But I'm like, nope."
"But I heard that both Target, Toys R Us, Walmart, all the places that have really great Star Wars selection."
"And just, stores in general that have all these things."
That for Force Friday they did the midnight thing-
Where you stood in line with all the people at midnight and everyone rushed to buy everything.
And that's the one thing Star Wars fans do really well is wait in line and make friends.
[LAUGH] And so people who brought their Tonton sleeping bags to sleep outside of Toys 'R Us and stuff.
And I love that.
It's just a fun precursor to what we're going to get standing in line for these movies.
And it's just a great way to bond with Star Wars fans.
So, I was super excited for Force Friday.
I spent way too much money on things that I probably don't need, but I don't care.
What did you buy me?
I didn't, do you want me to buy you something?
I'll make you a Death Star bologna sandwich.
I think people-
My theory is that-
Go ahead, Kathy.
What were you gonna say?
I wanna know what Kelsey wanted to say.
What were you gonna say, Kelsey?
I was gonna say, I think people, we are all, culturally, a lot let down by the Phantom Menace.
I think people are optimistic again because it's JJ Abrams.
That's all I was gonna say.
My theory is that the only reason we're tolerating this much hype is because it's a nice distraction from the only thing that's more overhyped, which is the Presidential election.
[LAUGH] How can we mix the two?
[LAUGH] There's so many things that I want to say that we shouldn't say.
Alexa, who are you voting for?
Ask Alexa who she's voting for?
I hope she says Darth Vader.
I can't find the answer.
Make a stance, Alexa.
So, with the last few minutes that we have left, we have requests to throw it open to a few of the things that we're looking forward to that I haven't been paying much attention to.
But the Flash is coming back, and also tonight, Muppets.
Hell yeah, Muppets.
And by the way, I am team Miss Piggy.
I am really pissed off that Kermit dumped her for a younger pig, and I really want Miss Piggy to get together with Nathan Fillion.
They've been hinting at it in the previews.
And I know Nathan's got Castle, but I would really love Nathan Fillion to come on as a love interest for Miss Piggy on The Muppet Show.
And I know Bill Prady, so I'm gonna bug him until he does it.
So if anything, the nag factor should help.
That's my two cents, okay.
That was an excellent two cents.
That was like three cents.
It was, like, five bucks.
What say you, [UNKNOWN]?
Oh, definitely [UNKNOWN] all the way.
I don't even, you know what?
She's probably better off without him.
She'll say that, too.
So what's up with the Flash, you guys who watch this?
I don't watch it.
It starts on October 5th.
Jeff and I are both really excited.
Jeff, you talk.
This season they're bringing in a new pig.
Basically get phone calls from my brother every other day.
Dude, did you see what's coming on the flash?
That's actually how he sounds.
And it's just like all the stuff from the comic books and we're just kind of like having this recurring, like, holy crap, they're actually gonna put that in a TV show.
I'm really looking forward to it.
When's the spinoff from Flash?
The Legends of-
Oh yeah, yeah.
See, that starts in January according to Wikipedia.
And it's a spinoff from both the Flash and Arrow that combines the characters from both.
The shows have been crossing over a lot and we were just talking about how great it is because a lot of shows made to cross over, it's just kind of a gimmick to make you watch, but on the Flash and Arrow they actually use it to shine a light on the character development on both shows and contrast them, and the characters actually learn stuff from each other on both shows and go back and do things differently.
It's pretty cool.
And when do the Arrows start up again?
Oh, you wanted to ask me something I hadn't looked at before.
I wasn't watching [UNKNOWN].
I know they were shooting, and then Minority Report happened last night, right.
I think that debuted.
I'm so behind on my TV shows.
I've cut the cord, so I only Oh yeah.
To do with Netflix and online.
So, I'm just trying to figure out.
I'm mostly excited for Jessica Jones, we've done a bunch of-
So hyped for that, I've been reading the comic books to get ready.
I wrote a column for SFX magazine that's coming out in a couple months about why I think Squirrel Girl deserves her own movie.
And the reason I bring up Squirrel Girl is cuz if you know in the comics, and I don't know if they're gonna do this with the Jessica Jones and the Luke Cage TV shows that are both on Netflix.
But those two get together in the comics, so hopefully they'll get together in the TV shows.
Cuz when they get together in the comics, they have a kid and Squirrel Girl is their nanny.
And so I really want Squirrel Girl to show up, somehow, some way on the Jessica Jones Show.
Maybe she'll be on the Defenders.
[CROSSTALK] [INAUDIBLE] Starts on the 7th, by the way, October 7th.
So we'll see.
I mean, she was part of the Great Lakes Avengers, which was my favorite Avengers group because they were Midwest, they had Deadpool, someone always died.
And it was like the misfits that the real Avengers wouldn't take And they even tried to shut down Great Lake Avengers because they used the name.
Like there was a copyright battle between the Avengers.
It was just so prissy, but I really want there to be a Squirrel Girl movie.
So if you don't know anything about Squirrel Girl, look her up on Wikipedia Or wherever you look up stuff.
And she is somehow connected to Jessica Jones and Luke Cage.
As I understand it, they're going to do individual shows for Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and a couple others.
And then they're going to do-
One big group show for all of them.
But there's going to be some crossover on both.
And also there's going to be crossover on Daredevil.
Because they've already said that Jessica Jones and Daredevil are going to have crossover and
Other characters like Rosario Dawson is supposed to show up in all three shows.
So it will be very interesting to see how they do crossover because like you say, when Arrow and Slash do it, you learn about each other's shows and each other's characgters.>>They are kind of meaningful.
Arrow is kind of darker than then more chipper family Slash.>>Yeah, Slash is kind of like golly gee whillickers, but they got dark on the last couple of shows so we'll see.
I don't know.
I just love crossovers ever since Magnum PI and Murder, She Wrote crossed over.
So, I'm all for crossovers.
So much to look forward to.
All right, well, we should probably leave it there, we should probably get Get going before Bonnie's mind starts to drift and I start to [UNKNOWN].
Before our hair gets any [CROSSTALK] [UNKNOWN].
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you Spark Man.
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