The 404 1,476: Where we take a road trip to the future
The 404 1,476: Where we take a road trip to the future
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The 404 1,476: Where we take a road trip to the future

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It's Thursday May 1st, 2014, I'm Ariel Nunez, and from our CBS studios in New York City, welcome to the 404. It's Thursday May 1st, 2014, I'm Ariel Nunez, and from our CBS studios in New York City, welcome to the 404. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] Hey what's up, everyone. Hey what's up, everyone. Thank you for tuning into our fun little podcast program. Thank you for tuning into our fun little podcast program. This is the 404 show and I'm Jeff Bakalar. This is the 404 show and I'm Jeff Bakalar. And I'm Justin Yu. And I'm Justin Yu. How you doing Justin Yu? How you doing Justin Yu? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Yeah, doing better. Yeah, doing better. Although, still really jetlagged. Although, still really jetlagged. What did Dr. Bruce, our beloved sleep doctor say about getting rid of jetlag. What did Dr. Bruce, our beloved sleep doctor say about getting rid of jetlag. Is it even possible? Is it even possible? Something about heroine. Something about heroine. [LAUGH] Xanax [LAUGH] Xanax Yeah, [UNKNOWN] He say to do something. Yeah, [UNKNOWN] He say to do something. Meanwhile, you bring up Dr. Bruce. Meanwhile, you bring up Dr. Bruce. Stacy watches, this show, Stacy watches, this show, Our show? Our show? No. No. [LAUGH] What is she crazy? [LAUGH] What is she crazy? Definitely not that. Definitely not that. She watches, who's that house? She watches, who's that house? Oh, Bethany, she watches Bethany. Oh, Bethany, she watches Bethany. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You know who she is right? You know who she is right? [LAUGH] I guess so. [LAUGH] I guess so. What time does Stacy have to go to work? What time does Stacy have to go to work? Don't all those shows come on at noon? Don't all those shows come on at noon? Yeah. Yeah. She DVR's it. She DVR's it. Okay. Okay. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] That's the reality that we're dealing with. That's the reality that we're dealing with. She DVR's daytime talk shows. She DVR's daytime talk shows. Okay. Okay. This is why everyone should get married. This is why everyone should get married. Bleak. Bleak. And guess who shows up. And guess who shows up. Yeah? Yeah? Dr. Dr. Bruce. Bruce. He's on the Dr. He's on the Dr. Oz show all the time. Oz show all the time. All the time. All the time. He's such a media ****. He's such a media ****. And Huffington Post too. And Huffington Post too. I thought it was just us. I thought it was just us. Turns out he's on every show. Turns out he's on every show. Yeah, believe me, he's not selling pillows because of us. Yeah, believe me, he's not selling pillows because of us. OK? OK? He's selling because he's rocking on Huff Po. He's selling because he's rocking on Huff Po. You know, Dr. Oz. You know, Dr. Oz. And apparently Bethany, and I saw him and he was great. And apparently Bethany, and I saw him and he was great. Yeah, he has a good presence, well spoken. Yeah, he has a good presence, well spoken. And he was wearing like a white lab coat so he kind of looked like he knew what he was talking about. And he was wearing like a white lab coat so he kind of looked like he knew what he was talking about. Yeah. Yeah. He was pretty funny. He was pretty funny. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Anyway, I don't know what those rules are for jet lag. Anyway, I don't know what those rules are for jet lag. But just try and stay awake for the next half hour or so. But just try and stay awake for the next half hour or so. Yeah. Yeah. So Korea and China are actually 12 hours ahead. So Korea and China are actually 12 hours ahead. So it feels like it's 12:30 a.m. So it feels like it's 12:30 a.m. right now. right now. All right, so been up for like four, five days right now. All right, so been up for like four, five days right now. Yeah, I'm still hurting a little bit. Yeah, I'm still hurting a little bit. Not sure how much longer that excuse is gonna fly. Not sure how much longer that excuse is gonna fly. Yeah? Yeah? I thought, it seems like a week and it's worse when you come back from Asia, then when you go there. I thought, it seems like a week and it's worse when you come back from Asia, then when you go there. So that's [CROSSTALK]. So that's [CROSSTALK]. It's always worse when you go to Asia. It's always worse when you go to Asia. And it's always worse when you come back to work. And it's always worse when you come back to work. Right. Right. So I'm dealing with that right now. So I'm dealing with that right now. But regardless, doesn't stop us from doing this show and making it a good one, too. But regardless, doesn't stop us from doing this show and making it a good one, too. Absolutely. Absolutely. What do we have coming on, the rundown today? What do we have coming on, the rundown today? I wanted to talk about a story that came out last week in China about a new photo trend that is happening over there. I wanted to talk about a story that came out last week in China about a new photo trend that is happening over there. That is kind of dangerous stuff. That is kind of dangerous stuff. And then you put the story right down, I think it' really interesting. And then you put the story right down, I think it' really interesting. It's talking about how the latest version of the Tesla electric car is actually helping people go on road trips, which is something you couldn't do in the past. It's talking about how the latest version of the Tesla electric car is actually helping people go on road trips, which is something you couldn't do in the past. So where are we at. So where are we at. And then, we are going to talk about Robo Ethics. And then, we are going to talk about Robo Ethics. What do you think that means. What do you think that means. Business. Business. Ethics. Ethics. [LAUGH] Ethics, no Robo Ethics is basically just teaching robots to be more polite. [LAUGH] Ethics, no Robo Ethics is basically just teaching robots to be more polite. No one wants **** hole robots walking around. No one wants **** hole robots walking around. Oh, man I hate **** head robots. Oh, man I hate **** head robots. Then we're going to to talk about net neutrality. Then we're going to to talk about net neutrality. And first, I want to redefine net neutrality. And first, I want to redefine net neutrality. We need to come up with a more positive catch phrase. We need to come up with a more positive catch phrase. I think it's pretty self explanatory. I think it's pretty self explanatory. I don't know, I think where a lot of people hear net neutrality, they don't really know what that means. I don't know, I think where a lot of people hear net neutrality, they don't really know what that means. Oh, they're the dummies, there's a lot of people who live their lives. Oh, they're the dummies, there's a lot of people who live their lives. It should be open internet, verses closed internet. It should be open internet, verses closed internet. I don't think net neutrality sounds. I don't think net neutrality sounds. You think open internet perfectly describes what net neutrality is? You think open internet perfectly describes what net neutrality is? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. I don't think so. I don't think so. Or like, protected internet versus, I don't know, something that's a little more self-explanatory. Or like, protected internet versus, I don't know, something that's a little more self-explanatory. I think like maybe, fair internet. I think like maybe, fair internet. Yeah, I like open internet because it me, it like, sort of implies that it's not taken over by corporations. Yeah, I like open internet because it me, it like, sort of implies that it's not taken over by corporations. Okay. Okay. But, regardless, Google and Netflix, two corporations, are at least on our side. But, regardless, Google and Netflix, two corporations, are at least on our side. Fighting the good fight against, wait, for net neutrality. Fighting the good fight against, wait, for net neutrality. Yeah, for it. Yeah, for it. Net neutrality is what we want. Net neutrality is what we want. Yeah. Yeah. That's the good thing. That's the good thing. Neutral is good. Neutral is good. Neutral is good. Neutral is good. So we're going to talk about how those two companies are sorta leading the charge. So we're going to talk about how those two companies are sorta leading the charge. Hopefully. Hopefully. Let's talking about this kissing wall somersaulting meme that's taking off in China. Let's talking about this kissing wall somersaulting meme that's taking off in China. This story came out last week while I was there. This story came out last week while I was there. So, now that we're back, I wanted to talk about it, So, now that we're back, I wanted to talk about it, Did you? Did you? Did you see people doing this there? Did you see people doing this there? I did not. I did not. But there were a lot of reports in the local newspapers and on TV about it. But there were a lot of reports in the local newspapers and on TV about it. You remember like, planking, and hadukening. You remember like, planking, and hadukening. These types of like, viral photo, shots are going crazy in China right now. These types of like, viral photo, shots are going crazy in China right now. But the latest one to get really trendy is called the Somersault Kiss. But the latest one to get really trendy is called the Somersault Kiss. And we're looking at a repeating gif on screen here. And we're looking at a repeating gif on screen here. And that's how it's supposed to happen. And that's how it's supposed to happen. So, for those who aren't watching the video. So, for those who aren't watching the video. One person, usually the guy, holds the hand of the other person while they do a somersault basically into the guy's arms. One person, usually the guy, holds the hand of the other person while they do a somersault basically into the guy's arms. Tough to explain. Tough to explain. Yeah, who then gives the person flipping a kiss when they flip up into their arms. Yeah, who then gives the person flipping a kiss when they flip up into their arms. Does that make sense? Does that make sense? [CROSSTALK]. [CROSSTALK]. So this did originate in China? So this did originate in China? Yeah. Yeah. This would not originate here. This would not originate here. Why not? Why not? I just don't think that we are the culture to do that. I just don't think that we are the culture to do that. Fat people can't do that. Fat people can't do that. I'm just saying who's lifting us, each other, right? I'm just saying who's lifting us, each other, right? And who's just like ending at the pickets? And who's just like ending at the pickets? It's adorable. It's adorable. I mean done smoothly and properly, it's very cute. I mean done smoothly and properly, it's very cute. When it's done improperly, the person either gets kicked in the face or both of them fall on to the ground. When it's done improperly, the person either gets kicked in the face or both of them fall on to the ground. Often times, on to the person flipping the neck. Often times, on to the person flipping the neck. Which is always a fun maneuver. Which is always a fun maneuver. That's, that's the way I want it to happen. That's, that's the way I want it to happen. I like that way more I like that way more Yeah, so play this other video that's in the rundown. Yeah, so play this other video that's in the rundown. This is sort of a compilation video, that the Chinese government actually put out to warn people. This is sort of a compilation video, that the Chinese government actually put out to warn people. You really need to download flash, man You really need to download flash, man If there's something weird, I was complaining about this last night, flash is the worst thing that's ever happened to the internet. If there's something weird, I was complaining about this last night, flash is the worst thing that's ever happened to the internet. And I know it's going away and I know like, HTML 5's gonna get rid of it. And I know it's going away and I know like, HTML 5's gonna get rid of it. Why aren't you using chrome? Why aren't you using chrome? Cuz chrome doesn't play nice on this computer for whatever, I have an old computer here, I probably shouldn't be the one doing this. Cuz chrome doesn't play nice on this computer for whatever, I have an old computer here, I probably shouldn't be the one doing this. Okay, either way. Okay, either way. All right well, anyway, it's gotten so popular, and people have been messing it up so intensely that the Chinese government has actually posted, some warnings about it, which is what this video is. All right well, anyway, it's gotten so popular, and people have been messing it up so intensely that the Chinese government has actually posted, some warnings about it, which is what this video is. They issued a video on Ybo, which is basically the biggest social network in China. They issued a video on Ybo, which is basically the biggest social network in China. And on that page, they are basically sending out a message that says. And on that page, they are basically sending out a message that says. This requires you to have really strong wrists, really strong arms, and a really strong lower back. This requires you to have really strong wrists, really strong arms, and a really strong lower back. So you have to be really coordinated to do it, not everyone can. So you have to be really coordinated to do it, not everyone can. So just be careful, you know, like they're actually saying, don't try this at home rashly, and don't use your life to make a show of your love. So just be careful, you know, like they're actually saying, don't try this at home rashly, and don't use your life to make a show of your love. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. Because if the person breaks their neck and is in traction you're probably gonna break up anyway. Because if the person breaks their neck and is in traction you're probably gonna break up anyway. I just want, I wish we could hear what these guys were saying. I just want, I wish we could hear what these guys were saying. It looks pretty [UNKNOWN] [CROSSTALK]. It looks pretty [UNKNOWN] [CROSSTALK]. Oh my god that's-. Oh my god that's-. That's adorable. That's adorable. That's, just like, best friend kid things. That's, just like, best friend kid things. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine, yeah, the, in Korea it's really weird. It's fine, yeah, the, in Korea it's really weird. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] In Korea you'll see a lot of guys holding hands and linking arms. In Korea you'll see a lot of guys holding hands and linking arms. Just at night, like during their like bar crawls or whatever. Just at night, like during their like bar crawls or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And they are actually straight. And they are actually straight. It's very normal for Korean men to just hold hands when [CROSSTALK] It's very normal for Korean men to just hold hands when [CROSSTALK] I mean I kiss all my friends on the cheek. I mean I kiss all my friends on the cheek. I wish we could have that here. I wish we could have that here. So it looks awesome when it's done right. So it looks awesome when it's done right. Yeah. Yeah. You think you could do this? You think you could do this? I mean, I guess I'd have to lift you is what we're saying? I mean, I guess I'd have to lift you is what we're saying? I think we could do that, yeah. I think we could do that, yeah. Wow, a lot of dudes kissing Wow, a lot of dudes kissing Lot of Lot of Lot of dudes kissing Lot of dudes kissing Yeah. Yeah. A lot of girls kissing too, it's a good video to watch. A lot of girls kissing too, it's a good video to watch. For a country that seemed so censored, the definitely have an open stance on homosexuals, right? For a country that seemed so censored, the definitely have an open stance on homosexuals, right? They just don't, but yeah, I don't know. They just don't, but yeah, I don't know. So what, it's weird, how does a meme happen in China when like the internet is censored. So what, it's weird, how does a meme happen in China when like the internet is censored. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. It's weird. It's weird. I didn't actually test that there because, didn't want to look at anything that. I didn't actually test that there because, didn't want to look at anything that. Oh so you didn't use the internet when you were in China? Oh so you didn't use the internet when you were in China? I did but it was like Google Maps. I did but it was like Google Maps. It was all one, like everything went to one website. It was all one, like everything went to one website. Yeah, the Chinese government website. Yeah, the Chinese government website. Yeah. Yeah. Oh failed attempts right there. Oh failed attempts right there. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Korea has censorship, so these are these are the failed attempts. Korea has censorship, so these are these are the failed attempts. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Ooh These are much more fun. Ooh These are much more fun. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Crumbles on the ground. Crumbles on the ground. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Oh, I have a good idea let's try this on ice. Oh, I have a good idea let's try this on ice. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] So it could look pretty painful. So it could look pretty painful. It's hurting me now. It's hurting me now. [CROSSTALK] Right, everyone get's hurt. [CROSSTALK] Right, everyone get's hurt. At least with planking is stationary. At least with planking is stationary. This is a little more dangerous. This is a little more dangerous. Okay. Okay. Well, look, I guess it's true, people will try and emulate anything they see on the internet. Well, look, I guess it's true, people will try and emulate anything they see on the internet. [LAUGH] The hadoukening hitting trend was pretty cool. [LAUGH] The hadoukening hitting trend was pretty cool. It was alright. It was alright. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't really been impressed with any of them. I haven't really been impressed with any of them. No? No? No. No. I like it because it's like movement, and, I don't know, it just looks cool. I like it because it's like movement, and, I don't know, it just looks cool. I like it because it has movement? I like it because it has movement? Because it has movement in the photo. Because it has movement in the photo. It's rad. It's rad. All right. All right. So anyway, just be careful if you try that. So anyway, just be careful if you try that. There's tutorials online. There's tutorials online. I'm not promoting it, but if you do. I'm not promoting it, but if you do. Yeah, we can't promote it. Yeah, we can't promote it. We can't condone that. We can't condone that. Just be safe. Just be safe. Wear a helmet or something. Wear a helmet or something. Right? Right? Yeah. Yeah. Do it on a trampoline. Do it on a trampoline. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Right? All right, so tell us about how, how the Tesla car is gonna help us go on the road. All right, so tell us about how, how the Tesla car is gonna help us go on the road. So, everyone knows what tes, what Tesla is. So, everyone knows what tes, what Tesla is. It's a all electric car manufacturer. It's a all electric car manufacturer. They sell, the cheap, their cheapest car is about $75,000. They sell, the cheap, their cheapest car is about $75,000. Yeah. Yeah. And that has a range, a fully charged range, of about 247 miles, estimated. And that has a range, a fully charged range, of about 247 miles, estimated. That's pretty impressive. That's pretty impressive. That is way higher than any other fully electric car on the market. That is way higher than any other fully electric car on the market. The most, the closest one to that, I believe, is the Leaf. The most, the closest one to that, I believe, is the Leaf. Yeah, the Nissan Leaf, and that's 84 miles. Yeah, the Nissan Leaf, and that's 84 miles. Okay? Okay? That one's, 84, yeah. That one's, 84, yeah. That's nothing. That's nothing. The reason, the reason it's so much more is basically the entire bottom of the car is a battery and it's super expensive. The reason, the reason it's so much more is basically the entire bottom of the car is a battery and it's super expensive. It costs a lot of money. It costs a lot of money. The technology, every other facet of an electric car. The technology, every other facet of an electric car. Save for the battery, is where we need it to be. Save for the battery, is where we need it to be. The battery is really what's holding back the technology. The battery is really what's holding back the technology. If we could get a battery that would last twice that for half the price, half the cars on the road would be electric. If we could get a battery that would last twice that for half the price, half the cars on the road would be electric. We could either do a bigger battery and more charging stations. We could either do a bigger battery and more charging stations. But the battery, who knows what would cost more. But the battery, who knows what would cost more. Right, so. Right, so. Tesla's in a really weird. Tesla's in a really weird. Spot because right now they are a luxury product because of how expensive it is. Spot because right now they are a luxury product because of how expensive it is. Mm-hm Mm-hm This article is a, somewhat, this guy Nate Berg who rented a Tesla and wanted to do a road trip from California to Arizona and back. This article is a, somewhat, this guy Nate Berg who rented a Tesla and wanted to do a road trip from California to Arizona and back. What Tesla did, see it's weird, and I wanna preface the whole story with like, the first thing they had to do. What Tesla did, see it's weird, and I wanna preface the whole story with like, the first thing they had to do. Was, was take into consideration, who like, the, the, the, the use cases of a Tesla, right? Was, was take into consideration, who like, the, the, the, the use cases of a Tesla, right? So they were like. So they were like. Yeah. Yeah. All right, well would somebody feasibly wanna drive a coss, across the country. All right, well would somebody feasibly wanna drive a coss, across the country. Yeah. Yeah. So they put these superchargers. So they put these superchargers. Which are these charging stations that can charge the entire car in an hour. Which are these charging stations that can charge the entire car in an hour. Yeah, usually that's an eight hour charging in a standard plug. Yeah, usually that's an eight hour charging in a standard plug. Yeah, if you did it in your own you know, wall outlet. Yeah, if you did it in your own you know, wall outlet. Yeah. Yeah. So they, they, they basically positioned them across the country. So they, they, they basically positioned them across the country. And here's a map. And here's a map. Of what that looks like. Of what that looks like. So if you can zoom into this, basically each red dot is a supercharger, and the surrounding white, whited out radius is how far you could feasibly drive away from each one. So if you can zoom into this, basically each red dot is a supercharger, and the surrounding white, whited out radius is how far you could feasibly drive away from each one. Yeah. Yeah. So there is a trail. So there is a trail. It's like a mid, a northern Midwestern trail. It's like a mid, a northern Midwestern trail. That lets you go coast to coast. That lets you go coast to coast. Right. Right. If you're in Texas, you're just f-ed, I guess. If you're in Texas, you're just f-ed, I guess. Right. Right. Cuz you can't get out of Texas. Cuz you can't get out of Texas. You physically cannot get out of Texas unless you're using a, an outlet. You physically cannot get out of Texas unless you're using a, an outlet. So that you can go up and down the west and east coast too, no problem. So that you can go up and down the west and east coast too, no problem. Kind of. Kind of. And that's what the, that's what this author was supposing that he could do. And that's what the, that's what this author was supposing that he could do. So he started out his trip, and the estimated mileage that the customer was telling him was that he was going to get 200, about 230, 265 miles in this one trip. So he started out his trip, and the estimated mileage that the customer was telling him was that he was going to get 200, about 230, 265 miles in this one trip. Well guess what? Well guess what? The first leg of the trip, he ran out of, not gas, but juice. The first leg of the trip, he ran out of, not gas, but juice. Yeah. Yeah. He ran out of power. He ran out of power. Three miles away from the nearest charging station. Three miles away from the nearest charging station. Yeah see. Yeah see. That, this is the most interesting part of the story for me is that it's totally an estimation. That, this is the most interesting part of the story for me is that it's totally an estimation. That 265 mile range sounds really specific. That 265 mile range sounds really specific. Yeah, well so is. Yeah, well so is. But it depends on things like how many RPMs you hit. But it depends on things like how many RPMs you hit. Or, you know, if you are going in an elevation that's a little bit higher than your standard. Or, you know, if you are going in an elevation that's a little bit higher than your standard. Of course. Of course. Then it's going to take more juice to power it. Then it's going to take more juice to power it. I mean it. I mean it. I'm sure it's a similar sort of relationship as a, as a combustion engine has with gas. I'm sure it's a similar sort of relationship as a, as a combustion engine has with gas. Right. Right. Like the harder you hit the accelerator. Like the harder you hit the accelerator. Where, you know, you have the air condition on and you are going up. Where, you know, you have the air condition on and you are going up. Uphill and you're flooring it, the gas is not going to last as long as if you're going downhill with the windows open. Uphill and you're flooring it, the gas is not going to last as long as if you're going downhill with the windows open. Right. Right. You know, not hitting the gas that hard. You know, not hitting the gas that hard. The GPS on and all that. The GPS on and all that. Exactly. Exactly. So, well actually that, you know, when it comes an electric car, all that comes into play, because everything is draining the battery. So, well actually that, you know, when it comes an electric car, all that comes into play, because everything is draining the battery. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So this author had a problem. So this author had a problem. And they got. And they got. They ran out of juice three miles away from the charging station. They ran out of juice three miles away from the charging station. Yeah. Yeah. Now here's where things get a little interesting. Now here's where things get a little interesting. Their basically coasting on the quote, un quote, fumes. Their basically coasting on the quote, un quote, fumes. They have to pull over to the side. They have to pull over to the side. They have to call up a tow truck. They have to call up a tow truck. Now don't forget, they rented this test run. Now don't forget, they rented this test run. Yeah. Yeah. They call up a tow service, call up Trippe A. They call up a tow service, call up Trippe A. Nobody would take on the toe, because it's a hundred thousand dollar car that they're in, and there's too much of a liability for the car towing company to take on. Nobody would take on the toe, because it's a hundred thousand dollar car that they're in, and there's too much of a liability for the car towing company to take on. They don't want to be responsible for screwing up the Tesla, it's like a border line space ship you know. They don't want to be responsible for screwing up the Tesla, it's like a border line space ship you know. Yeah, and they couldn't take it. Yeah, and they couldn't take it. In to neutral, so that they could actually put it on the back of the tow truck. In to neutral, so that they could actually put it on the back of the tow truck. I thought that was, I couldn't even, like think about that. I thought that was, I couldn't even, like think about that. There's some, there's like a kill switch, that they have to engage, There's some, there's like a kill switch, that they have to engage, yeah, like when you put it in park, you have to, you can't just jump the engine really quick just to put it in neutral, you have to get a micro charge. yeah, like when you put it in park, you have to, you can't just jump the engine really quick just to put it in neutral, you have to get a micro charge. It's crazy, and look it's not a very elegant. It's crazy, and look it's not a very elegant. Solution. Solution. You know Tesla, I, I, me, I'm really into Tesla. You know Tesla, I, I, me, I'm really into Tesla. I think it's great for what it is. I think it's great for what it is. It's obviously not for you or me or really anyone. It's obviously not for you or me or really anyone. It's that 1% sort of you know, demographic that it's good for and yes, battery technology will improve, will get cheaper, but the rate of that increase is not coming in line with you know, how willing people are to purchase one of these things. It's that 1% sort of you know, demographic that it's good for and yes, battery technology will improve, will get cheaper, but the rate of that increase is not coming in line with you know, how willing people are to purchase one of these things. So anyway. So anyway. They, you know, basically summarize this like, you know, you have to take this into consideration. They, you know, basically summarize this like, you know, you have to take this into consideration. When you're on a road trip, you don't have this quote, unquote, range anxiety. When you're on a road trip, you don't have this quote, unquote, range anxiety. Right. Right. The way you have with a Tesla. The way you have with a Tesla. Man, I hope there's enough juice left in these batteries for [CROSSTALK] Man, I hope there's enough juice left in these batteries for [CROSSTALK] Yeah. Yeah. When you have a car with gas. When you have a car with gas. You know, obviously this has been the case for a hundred years in the country. You know, obviously this has been the case for a hundred years in the country. You're okay, you sort of can, you don't have to worry. You're okay, you sort of can, you don't have to worry. There's always gonna be a gas station, most of the time. There's always gonna be a gas station, most of the time. So there's this weird sort of paradox that Tesla finds itself in. So there's this weird sort of paradox that Tesla finds itself in. Because at one point, they wanna make all these superchargers across the country. Because at one point, they wanna make all these superchargers across the country. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But, ten, 15, 25 years down the road battery technology will improve where they wont need these super chargers. But, ten, 15, 25 years down the road battery technology will improve where they wont need these super chargers. So these super chargers that they've laid out across the country, and there's about 85 of them right now, they won't need to be there forever. So these super chargers that they've laid out across the country, and there's about 85 of them right now, they won't need to be there forever. They'll only need to be there for a limited amount of time. They'll only need to be there for a limited amount of time. So this is, like again, this is weird sort of grey area sort of phase that they're in right now, dealing with the amount of superchargers. So this is, like again, this is weird sort of grey area sort of phase that they're in right now, dealing with the amount of superchargers. Look, it costs a hundred grand to set up one of those things, and Tesla is paying for all of it. Look, it costs a hundred grand to set up one of those things, and Tesla is paying for all of it. They also talk about how, even when you reach a supercharger station, often times it's not connected to a supermarket or a fast food restaurant like a lot of the gas stations are on your road trips. They also talk about how, even when you reach a supercharger station, often times it's not connected to a supermarket or a fast food restaurant like a lot of the gas stations are on your road trips. So it would just be a supercharger station, that's in the middle of a desert, and even that, an hour is kinda a long time to just sit in your car and wait for this thing. So it would just be a supercharger station, that's in the middle of a desert, and even that, an hour is kinda a long time to just sit in your car and wait for this thing. Right, right, and that's, and that's not totally true. Right, right, and that's, and that's not totally true. Like, I guess the ones in the middle of nowhere suck and what are you gonna do. Like, I guess the ones in the middle of nowhere suck and what are you gonna do. But a lot of them they've signed a lot of deals with strip malls, you know const, contracting companies. But a lot of them they've signed a lot of deals with strip malls, you know const, contracting companies. So they'll make that hour worth of charging. So they'll make that hour worth of charging. A little more bearable, you go and you have a bite to eat. A little more bearable, you go and you have a bite to eat. The one he was at was in the restaurant, was in the parking lot of Chilis. The one he was at was in the restaurant, was in the parking lot of Chilis. Yeah. Yeah. So you go in and have yourself a quesadilla explosion, you come outside and, your Teslas all souped up. So you go in and have yourself a quesadilla explosion, you come outside and, your Teslas all souped up. So, it's really a strange sort of thing and the article really gets into talking about, wow, you know. So, it's really a strange sort of thing and the article really gets into talking about, wow, you know. This is temporarily disrupting the idea of taking a road trip with an electric car. This is temporarily disrupting the idea of taking a road trip with an electric car. And it's a very interesting piece, I highly recommend checking it out. And it's a very interesting piece, I highly recommend checking it out. For me, it's like, I, I really do think, you know, obviously this is the future. For me, it's like, I, I really do think, you know, obviously this is the future. They go on to sort of speculate what the future of, you know, non-gas cars will be, and every sort of, you know, theorist and person involved in the science behind the future of transportation seems to believe that. They go on to sort of speculate what the future of, you know, non-gas cars will be, and every sort of, you know, theorist and person involved in the science behind the future of transportation seems to believe that. In the future, cars won't necessarily be 100% electronic, but you'll see these better done hybrids. In the future, cars won't necessarily be 100% electronic, but you'll see these better done hybrids. We have hybrids now, but they're not as efficient as they could be. We have hybrids now, but they're not as efficient as they could be. You know, a hybrid of the future, will be mostly electronic, but still maybe be able to run on hydrogen or, or, or natural gas or something. You know, a hybrid of the future, will be mostly electronic, but still maybe be able to run on hydrogen or, or, or natural gas or something. Right, a back up. Right, a back up. Where it doesn't, where, where you're just not screwed if left out in the middle of the desert you know, having range anxiety. Where it doesn't, where, where you're just not screwed if left out in the middle of the desert you know, having range anxiety. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. So it's an interesting read. So it's an interesting read. Go check it out from The Atlantic. Go check it out from The Atlantic. When was the last road trip you guys have been on? When was the last road trip you guys have been on? I haven't gone on a road trip in so long. I haven't gone on a road trip in so long. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't know. Well, I don't have a car. Well, I don't have a car. So it's hard. So it's hard. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think the last road trip we went on. Well, I think the last road trip we went on. I've been on. I've been on. Was with you. Was with you. But that's not a road trip. But that's not a road trip. To Atlantic City was the longest I've driven. To Atlantic City was the longest I've driven. That's like an hour and half. That's like an hour and half. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] You don't drive when you live on the East Coast. [LAUGH] You don't drive when you live on the East Coast. Yeah, road trip is going from like, you know, driving all day. Yeah, road trip is going from like, you know, driving all day. Going to hotels. Going to hotels. Driving all day. Driving all day. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I've ever done that then. I don't think I've ever done that then. Yeah. Yeah. What about you, Oreo? What about you, Oreo? You ever do like San Francisco to Portland? You ever do like San Francisco to Portland? no. no. I did San Francisco to LA. I did San Francisco to LA. Yeah. Yeah. And I've done San Francisco to Vegas. And I've done San Francisco to Vegas. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And that was painful. And that was painful. How far is San Francisco to Vegas? How far is San Francisco to Vegas? It's like a ten-hour drive. It's like a ten-hour drive. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, it sucks. [SOUND] That's a road trip, for sure. [SOUND] That's a road trip, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I,ve, I do a lot of six-hour trips sometimes, if I'm going to, You know, Vermont, or from going down to, like, Virginia, sometimes that could take six hours. I mean, I,ve, I do a lot of six-hour trips sometimes, if I'm going to, You know, Vermont, or from going down to, like, Virginia, sometimes that could take six hours. We were talking about this in the pre-show, but maybe we should take a road trip up to Montreal. We were talking about this in the pre-show, but maybe we should take a road trip up to Montreal. Sure. Sure. I'm game. I'm game. Get nasty up there. Get nasty up there. Sign me up. Sign me up. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to rent a Tesla though. I would love to rent a Tesla though. Wouldn't you want to try one of those out? Wouldn't you want to try one of those out? I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind. Right? Right? Sponsorship opportunity? Sponsorship opportunity? You'd think, like, there's, I don't think Tesla advertises. You'd think, like, there's, I don't think Tesla advertises. They don't have to. They don't have to. They don't have to. They don't have to. They're sort of like this brand. They're sort of like this brand. Although, you sorta seek, like, Maserati advertising. Although, you sorta seek, like, Maserati advertising. Mm hm. Mm hm. Like, are people not aware of Maseratis? Like, are people not aware of Maseratis? They're, just, like, wait a second. They're, just, like, wait a second. I, I have money to burn. I, I have money to burn. Where can I burn it? Where can I burn it? Oh, Maserati. Oh, Maserati. Maserati, where have you seen Maser-, like, commercials? Maserati, where have you seen Maser-, like, commercials? During the Super Bowl, there was a Maserati ad. During the Super Bowl, there was a Maserati ad. Oh really? Oh really? Just in case you forgot about it. Just in case you forgot about it. Just in case you forgot about this. Just in case you forgot about this. There is a quarter of a million dollar car that exists. There is a quarter of a million dollar car that exists. It's like Aston Martin advertising. It's like Aston Martin advertising. It's strange. It's strange. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I find this super, interesting so check out the, the piece about Tesla. Anyway, I find this super, interesting so check out the, the piece about Tesla. All right, cool. All right, cool. What, are you into, do you think that's cool? What, are you into, do you think that's cool? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's because I just bought a car, I'm, I'm like Maybe it's because I just bought a car, I'm, I'm like No, I think it's really cool. No, I think it's really cool. I mean, a friend of mine bought a Prius. I mean, a friend of mine bought a Prius. Not the coolest looking car, but it's amazing how quiet those things are. Not the coolest looking car, but it's amazing how quiet those things are. Yeah. Yeah. See, I don't know if the quiet thing is good. See, I don't know if the quiet thing is good. It could be dangerous for cyclists. It could be dangerous for cyclists. Urban, like, when I'm walking Marty at night, and one of, a lot of the cabs in Hoboken are hybrids. Urban, like, when I'm walking Marty at night, and one of, a lot of the cabs in Hoboken are hybrids. Yeah. Yeah. And they, they sound, they don't even make as much noise as a golf cart. And they, they sound, they don't even make as much noise as a golf cart. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty freaky. It's pretty freaky. And you're like, all of a sudden they just sneak up on you, and you're like, what the. And you're like, all of a sudden they just sneak up on you, and you're like, what the. What the hell? What the hell? Have you seen those zero emissions FedEx delivery trucks that have been going around? Have you seen those zero emissions FedEx delivery trucks that have been going around? No. No. They're super narrow. They're super narrow. If you spend a lot of time in the city you'll see them everywhere. If you spend a lot of time in the city you'll see them everywhere. They're just narrow enough to fit inside of a bike lane. They're just narrow enough to fit inside of a bike lane. That's how small they are. That's how small they are. So, they're a little bit longer than your average FedEx truck So, they're a little bit longer than your average FedEx truck Okay. Okay. But really, really skinny, like on a car. But really, really skinny, like on a car. And you'll see them everywhere. And you'll see them everywhere. It's so cool. It's so cool. They look like little spaceships driving They look like little spaceships driving Interesting. Interesting. around the city. around the city. I like seeing that kind of thing. I like seeing that kind of thing. It makes me feel like I'm in the future. It makes me feel like I'm in the future. Yeah, speaking of in the future. Yeah, speaking of in the future. I want to talk about robot really quick. I want to talk about robot really quick. These things are everywhere. These things are everywhere. I think Bridget went to a Asimo, the Honda Asimo robot press conference last month. I think Bridget went to a Asimo, the Honda Asimo robot press conference last month. Just go back to that video, it looked really cool. Just go back to that video, it looked really cool. But we got robots doing everything for us now. But we got robots doing everything for us now. But there are some researches that are begging the question, do robots have to command us to do stuff? But there are some researches that are begging the question, do robots have to command us to do stuff? Can they just ask or be a little more polite, say please, thank you, how's your mother, ask questions. Can they just ask or be a little more polite, say please, thank you, how's your mother, ask questions. That was a good That was a good Yeah, this kind of thing. Yeah, this kind of thing. Well, teaching manners to a robot is really hard apparently. Well, teaching manners to a robot is really hard apparently. But one researcher, one group of researchers. But one researcher, one group of researchers. At the Open Roboethics Initiative, the O.R.I., they're trying to basically lubricate interactions between robots and humans on an everyday basis. At the Open Roboethics Initiative, the O.R.I., they're trying to basically lubricate interactions between robots and humans on an everyday basis. Finally. Finally. Right? Right? So, the idea is that as we're starting to see robot helping us out in sort of a consumer retail space. So, the idea is that as we're starting to see robot helping us out in sort of a consumer retail space. Like robot baristas, for example. Like robot baristas, for example. Okay. Okay. The need for them to be polite, answer questions and do things like, you know, open a door for you or get out of your way when you're trying to walk to the bathroom or something. The need for them to be polite, answer questions and do things like, you know, open a door for you or get out of your way when you're trying to walk to the bathroom or something. Well, that's nice. Well, that's nice. So, it's become bigger necessities. So, it's become bigger necessities. Like, can I hold your coat? Like, can I hold your coat? While you go to the bathroom. While you go to the bathroom. Yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah exactly. I would appreciate that. I would appreciate that. so, you know with robots serving the consumer space they're starting to do more research on this kind of thing. so, you know with robots serving the consumer space they're starting to do more research on this kind of thing. And this is kind of interesting, so in this video on motherboard, they basically profile an experiment with a mail delivering robot. And this is kind of interesting, so in this video on motherboard, they basically profile an experiment with a mail delivering robot. That the open robo ethics initial is basically testing right now. That the open robo ethics initial is basically testing right now. So the experiment is this, they programmed a robot to deliver mail upstairs from their office. So the experiment is this, they programmed a robot to deliver mail upstairs from their office. And to get upstairs they programmed it to use the elevator. And to get upstairs they programmed it to use the elevator. And when they get into the elevator when they're about to exit as they reach the floor as the elevator doors open the robot is presented with three scenarios. And when they get into the elevator when they're about to exit as they reach the floor as the elevator doors open the robot is presented with three scenarios. When the door opens it's always either a person carrying nothing, just a regular person, a person carrying a heavy box. When the door opens it's always either a person carrying nothing, just a regular person, a person carrying a heavy box. Okay. Okay. And then the third scenario the robot is presented with is a person in a wheelchair. And then the third scenario the robot is presented with is a person in a wheelchair. Not holding- Not holding- Okay. Okay. Not, holding nothing. Not, holding nothing. Okay. Okay. So it was then up to the robot to decide what to do based on artificial intelligence. So it was then up to the robot to decide what to do based on artificial intelligence. Hm. Hm. And what they had pre-programmed it, for manners, right? And what they had pre-programmed it, for manners, right? That's kinda cool. That's kinda cool. So within this video, it's kind of interesting. So within this video, it's kind of interesting. So they say- So they say- [LAUGH] [LAUGH] If the robot has urgent mail. If the robot has urgent mail. Why's this robot look like a prop from an 80s movie? Why's this robot look like a prop from an 80s movie? [LAUGH] [LAUGH] It looks like Johnny 5. It looks like Johnny 5. It. It. Makes Johnny 5 look like, you know, a Maserati Makes Johnny 5 look like, you know, a Maserati Yeah. Yeah. It looks like Johnny 5 mated with your office copy machine. It looks like Johnny 5 mated with your office copy machine. It's really inelegant, but It's really inelegant, but Well thank you I'll get the next one Well thank you I'll get the next one They have an urgent mail to deliver and there's a person in the elevator. They have an urgent mail to deliver and there's a person in the elevator. They ask the person if they're in a hurry. They ask the person if they're in a hurry. And if the person says yes, then the robot sort of extends its arm and says, [CROSSTALK]. And if the person says yes, then the robot sort of extends its arm and says, [CROSSTALK]. It's like manner logic. It's like manner logic. It's kinda smart right? It's kinda smart right? It's like, you go first. It's like, you go first. If the person is not in a rush. If the person is not in a rush. It's gonna offend this guy. It's gonna offend this guy. Yeah, then the guy like, gets pushed out of the way. Yeah, then the guy like, gets pushed out of the way. If it's a wheelchair, a guy in a wheelchair. If it's a wheelchair, a guy in a wheelchair. And the robot tried to mate with the guy [LAUGH] And the robot tried to mate with the guy [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] We are alike. [CROSSTALK] We are alike. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. What is this thing. What is this thing. [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] That's not right. That's not right. Just not right. Just not right. It's money though. It's money though. Looking good. Looking good. [LAUGH] Damn, girl. [LAUGH] Damn, girl. Oh God. Oh God. [LAUGH] So if the person in the wheelchair, the wheelchair. [LAUGH] So if the person in the wheelchair, the wheelchair. You mean the guy in the wheelchair moving his legs with no problem? You mean the guy in the wheelchair moving his legs with no problem? Always gets the right of way. Always gets the right of way. Yeah. Yeah. No matter if the person, the robot is in a rush or not. No matter if the person, the robot is in a rush or not. So if, so okay, so all kidding aside, it, it's able to discern. So if, so okay, so all kidding aside, it, it's able to discern. Yeah. Yeah. What different, so, but how, but how many like scenarios can you program into it? What different, so, but how, but how many like scenarios can you program into it? Well. Well. Oh, so the, the idea is that the robots are programs are programmed with a cloud-based memory system. Oh, so the, the idea is that the robots are programs are programmed with a cloud-based memory system. So this is pretty cool. So this is pretty cool. Across the country, different researchers are working together to upload, basically, manners algorithms into a cloud. Across the country, different researchers are working together to upload, basically, manners algorithms into a cloud. And. And. So it could always learn [CROSSTALK] So it could always learn [CROSSTALK] Yeah. Yeah. So for robots that aren't specifically trained with the database in mind. So for robots that aren't specifically trained with the database in mind. They can access the cloud and pull down a response to whatever they, they get into. They can access the cloud and pull down a response to whatever they, they get into. And what happens when the robot is impolite? And what happens when the robot is impolite? Then it's up to the person to teach the robot a lesson. Then it's up to the person to teach the robot a lesson. Please don't pull my parts. Please don't pull my parts. Yeah, yeah, he just gets his arm ripped off. Yeah, yeah, he just gets his arm ripped off. By the way, that's the only funny way to do a robot voice. By the way, that's the only funny way to do a robot voice. Right. Right. Any other way is just fruitless. Any other way is just fruitless. Right. Right. And you gotta do the arms, too. And you gotta do the arms, too. God, this robot is so frickin' old looking'. God, this robot is so frickin' old looking'. It doesn't look nice at all. It doesn't look nice at all. It doesn't look nice. It doesn't look nice. I feel like you see that Honda robot who can, like, run and I feel like you see that Honda robot who can, like, run and Yeah. Yeah. It can do, like, hula hoops and stuff like that. It can do, like, hula hoops and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff like, rock the baby to sleep. Stuff like, rock the baby to sleep. Yeah. Yeah. This one is like, Clunky McClunkerson. This one is like, Clunky McClunkerson. Right. Right. You know, the **** backwards robot. You know, the **** backwards robot. Oh, it's super creepy to see it rolling around the corner. Oh, it's super creepy to see it rolling around the corner. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He looks crazy. He looks crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's just holding a nail in its head It's just holding a nail in its head It looks like a gigantic vacuum. It looks like a gigantic vacuum. Yeah. Yeah. He has got a martini shaker in his mouth. He has got a martini shaker in his mouth. When the robot. When the robot. I feel like whenever a robot is standing in front of an elevator, it should always get out of the way, out of the way. I feel like whenever a robot is standing in front of an elevator, it should always get out of the way, out of the way. No matter who is the person inside of it. No matter who is the person inside of it. Yeah, yeah it will never have the priority. Yeah, yeah it will never have the priority. It shouldn't have to be like, yes, I'm in a rush. It shouldn't have to be like, yes, I'm in a rush. Get the f out of the way dude. Get the f out of the way dude. Like it actually blocks the exit to the elevator. Like it actually blocks the exit to the elevator. Look the guy in the wheel chair is like what the hell, I was trying to get in there. Look the guy in the wheel chair is like what the hell, I was trying to get in there. Yeah so this is a case where it was an urgency, like they had to deliver the mail quickly and it was like, can't wait for you. Yeah so this is a case where it was an urgency, like they had to deliver the mail quickly and it was like, can't wait for you. Lieutenant Dan. Lieutenant Dan. [LAUGH] There's a lot of things [LAUGH] There's a lot of things It's Thursday May 1st, 2014, I'm Ariel Nunez, and from our CBS studios in New York City, welcome to the 404. It's Thursday May 1st, 2014, I'm Ariel Nunez, and from our CBS studios in New York City, welcome to the 404. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] Hey what's up, everyone. Hey what's up, everyone. Thank you for tuning into our fun little podcast program. Thank you for tuning into our fun little podcast program. This is the 404 show and I'm Jeff Bakalar. This is the 404 show and I'm Jeff Bakalar. And I'm Justin Yu. And I'm Justin Yu. How you doing Justin Yu? How you doing Justin Yu? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Yeah, doing better. Yeah, doing better. Although, still really jetlagged. Although, still really jetlagged. What did Dr. Bruce, our beloved sleep doctor say about getting rid of jetlag. What did Dr. Bruce, our beloved sleep doctor say about getting rid of jetlag. Is it even possible? Is it even possible? Something about heroine. Something about heroine. [LAUGH] Xanax [LAUGH] Xanax Yeah, [UNKNOWN] He say to do something. Yeah, [UNKNOWN] He say to do something. Meanwhile, you bring up Dr. Bruce. Meanwhile, you bring up Dr. Bruce. Stacy watches, this show, Stacy watches, this show, Our show? Our show? No. No. [LAUGH] What is she crazy? [LAUGH] What is she crazy? Definitely not that. Definitely not that. She watches, who's that house? She watches, who's that house? Oh, Bethany, she watches Bethany. Oh, Bethany, she watches Bethany. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You know who she is right? You know who she is right? [LAUGH] I guess so. [LAUGH] I guess so. What time does Stacy have to go to work? What time does Stacy have to go to work? Don't all those shows come on at noon? Don't all those shows come on at noon? Yeah. Yeah. She DVR's it. She DVR's it. Okay. Okay. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] That's the reality that we're dealing with. That's the reality that we're dealing with. She DVR's daytime talk shows. She DVR's daytime talk shows. Okay. Okay. This is why everyone should get married. This is why everyone should get married. Bleak. Bleak. And guess who shows up. And guess who shows up. Yeah? Yeah? Dr. Dr. Bruce. Bruce. He's on the Dr. He's on the Dr. Oz show all the time. Oz show all the time. All the time. All the time. He's such a media ****. He's such a media ****. And Huffington Post too. And Huffington Post too. I thought it was just us. I thought it was just us. Turns out he's on every show. Turns out he's on every show. Yeah, believe me, he's not selling pillows because of us. Yeah, believe me, he's not selling pillows because of us. OK? OK? He's selling because he's rocking on Huff Po. He's selling because he's rocking on Huff Po. You know, Dr. Oz. You know, Dr. Oz. And apparently Bethany, and I saw him and he was great. And apparently Bethany, and I saw him and he was great. Yeah, he has a good presence, well spoken. Yeah, he has a good presence, well spoken. And he was wearing like a white lab coat so he kind of looked like he knew what he was talking about. And he was wearing like a white lab coat so he kind of looked like he knew what he was talking about. Yeah. Yeah. He was pretty funny. He was pretty funny. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Anyway, I don't know what those rules are for jet lag. Anyway, I don't know what those rules are for jet lag. But just try and stay awake for the next half hour or so. But just try and stay awake for the next half hour or so. Yeah. Yeah. So Korea and China are actually 12 hours ahead. So Korea and China are actually 12 hours ahead. So it feels like it's 12:30 a.m. So it feels like it's 12:30 a.m. right now. right now. All right, so been up for like four, five days right now. All right, so been up for like four, five days right now. Yeah, I'm still hurting a little bit. Yeah, I'm still hurting a little bit. Not sure how much longer that excuse is gonna fly. Not sure how much longer that excuse is gonna fly. Yeah? Yeah? I thought, it seems like a week and it's worse when you come back from Asia, then when you go there. I thought, it seems like a week and it's worse when you come back from Asia, then when you go there. So that's [CROSSTALK]. So that's [CROSSTALK]. It's always worse when you go to Asia. It's always worse when you go to Asia. And it's always worse when you come back to work. And it's always worse when you come back to work. Right. Right. So I'm dealing with that right now. So I'm dealing with that right now. But regardless, doesn't stop us from doing this show and making it a good one, too. But regardless, doesn't stop us from doing this show and making it a good one, too. Absolutely. Absolutely. What do we have coming on, the rundown today? What do we have coming on, the rundown today? I wanted to talk about a story that came out last week in China about a new photo trend that is happening over there. I wanted to talk about a story that came out last week in China about a new photo trend that is happening over there. That is kind of dangerous stuff. That is kind of dangerous stuff. And then you put the story right down, I think it' really interesting. And then you put the story right down, I think it' really interesting. It's talking about how the latest version of the Tesla electric car is actually helping people go on road trips, which is something you couldn't do in the past. It's talking about how the latest version of the Tesla electric car is actually helping people go on road trips, which is something you couldn't do in the past. So where are we at. So where are we at. And then, we are going to talk about Robo Ethics. And then, we are going to talk about Robo Ethics. What do you think that means. What do you think that means. Business. Business. Ethics. Ethics. [LAUGH] Ethics, no Robo Ethics is basically just teaching robots to be more polite. [LAUGH] Ethics, no Robo Ethics is basically just teaching robots to be more polite. No one wants **** hole robots walking around. No one wants **** hole robots walking around. Oh, man I hate **** head robots. Oh, man I hate **** head robots. Then we're going to to talk about net neutrality. Then we're going to to talk about net neutrality. And first, I want to redefine net neutrality. And first, I want to redefine net neutrality. We need to come up with a more positive catch phrase. We need to come up with a more positive catch phrase. I think it's pretty self explanatory. I think it's pretty self explanatory. I don't know, I think where a lot of people hear net neutrality, they don't really know what that means. I don't know, I think where a lot of people hear net neutrality, they don't really know what that means. Oh, they're the dummies, there's a lot of people who live their lives. Oh, they're the dummies, there's a lot of people who live their lives. It should be open internet, verses closed internet. It should be open internet, verses closed internet. I don't think net neutrality sounds. I don't think net neutrality sounds. You think open internet perfectly describes what net neutrality is? You think open internet perfectly describes what net neutrality is? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. I don't think so. I don't think so. Or like, protected internet versus, I don't know, something that's a little more self-explanatory. Or like, protected internet versus, I don't know, something that's a little more self-explanatory. I think like maybe, fair internet. I think like maybe, fair internet. Yeah, I like open internet because it me, it like, sort of implies that it's not taken over by corporations. Yeah, I like open internet because it me, it like, sort of implies that it's not taken over by corporations. Okay. Okay. But, regardless, Google and Netflix, two corporations, are at least on our side. But, regardless, Google and Netflix, two corporations, are at least on our side. Fighting the good fight against, wait, for net neutrality. Fighting the good fight against, wait, for net neutrality. Yeah, for it. Yeah, for it. Net neutrality is what we want. Net neutrality is what we want. Yeah. Yeah. That's the good thing. That's the good thing. Neutral is good. Neutral is good. Neutral is good. Neutral is good. So we're going to talk about how those two companies are sorta leading the charge. So we're going to talk about how those two companies are sorta leading the charge. Hopefully. Hopefully. Let's talking about this kissing wall somersaulting meme that's taking off in China. Let's talking about this kissing wall somersaulting meme that's taking off in China. This story came out last week while I was there. This story came out last week while I was there. So, now that we're back, I wanted to talk about it, So, now that we're back, I wanted to talk about it, Did you? Did you? Did you see people doing this there? Did you see people doing this there? I did not. I did not. But there were a lot of reports in the local newspapers and on TV about it. But there were a lot of reports in the local newspapers and on TV about it. You remember like, planking, and hadukening. You remember like, planking, and hadukening. These types of like, viral photo, shots are going crazy in China right now. These types of like, viral photo, shots are going crazy in China right now. But the latest one to get really trendy is called the Somersault Kiss. But the latest one to get really trendy is called the Somersault Kiss. And we're looking at a repeating gif on screen here. And we're looking at a repeating gif on screen here. And that's how it's supposed to happen. And that's how it's supposed to happen. So, for those who aren't watching the video. So, for those who aren't watching the video. One person, usually the guy, holds the hand of the other person while they do a somersault basically into the guy's arms. One person, usually the guy, holds the hand of the other person while they do a somersault basically into the guy's arms. Tough to explain. Tough to explain. Yeah, who then gives the person flipping a kiss when they flip up into their arms. Yeah, who then gives the person flipping a kiss when they flip up into their arms. Does that make sense? Does that make sense? [CROSSTALK]. [CROSSTALK]. So this did originate in China? So this did originate in China? Yeah. Yeah. This would not originate here. This would not originate here. Why not? Why not? I just don't think that we are the culture to do that. I just don't think that we are the culture to do that. Fat people can't do that. Fat people can't do that. I'm just saying who's lifting us, each other, right? I'm just saying who's lifting us, each other, right? And who's just like ending at the pickets? And who's just like ending at the pickets? It's adorable. It's adorable. I mean done smoothly and properly, it's very cute. I mean done smoothly and properly, it's very cute. When it's done improperly, the person either gets kicked in the face or both of them fall on to the ground. When it's done improperly, the person either gets kicked in the face or both of them fall on to the ground. Often times, on to the person flipping the neck. Often times, on to the person flipping the neck. Which is always a fun maneuver. Which is always a fun maneuver. That's, that's the way I want it to happen. That's, that's the way I want it to happen. I like that way more I like that way more Yeah, so play this other video that's in the rundown. Yeah, so play this other video that's in the rundown. This is sort of a compilation video, that the Chinese government actually put out to warn people. This is sort of a compilation video, that the Chinese government actually put out to warn people. You really need to download flash, man You really need to download flash, man If there's something weird, I was complaining about this last night, flash is the worst thing that's ever happened to the internet. If there's something weird, I was complaining about this last night, flash is the worst thing that's ever happened to the internet. And I know it's going away and I know like, HTML 5's gonna get rid of it. And I know it's going away and I know like, HTML 5's gonna get rid of it. Why aren't you using chrome? Why aren't you using chrome? Cuz chrome doesn't play nice on this computer for whatever, I have an old computer here, I probably shouldn't be the one doing this. Cuz chrome doesn't play nice on this computer for whatever, I have an old computer here, I probably shouldn't be the one doing this. Okay, either way. Okay, either way. All right well, anyway, it's gotten so popular, and people have been messing it up so intensely that the Chinese government has actually posted, some warnings about it, which is what this video is. All right well, anyway, it's gotten so popular, and people have been messing it up so intensely that the Chinese government has actually posted, some warnings about it, which is what this video is. They issued a video on Ybo, which is basically the biggest social network in China. They issued a video on Ybo, which is basically the biggest social network in China. And on that page, they are basically sending out a message that says. And on that page, they are basically sending out a message that says. This requires you to have really strong wrists, really strong arms, and a really strong lower back. This requires you to have really strong wrists, really strong arms, and a really strong lower back. So you have to be really coordinated to do it, not everyone can. So you have to be really coordinated to do it, not everyone can. So just be careful, you know, like they're actually saying, don't try this at home rashly, and don't use your life to make a show of your love. So just be careful, you know, like they're actually saying, don't try this at home rashly, and don't use your life to make a show of your love. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. Because if the person breaks their neck and is in traction you're probably gonna break up anyway. Because if the person breaks their neck and is in traction you're probably gonna break up anyway. I just want, I wish we could hear what these guys were saying. I just want, I wish we could hear what these guys were saying. It looks pretty [UNKNOWN] [CROSSTALK]. It looks pretty [UNKNOWN] [CROSSTALK]. Oh my god that's-. Oh my god that's-. That's adorable. That's adorable. That's, just like, best friend kid things. That's, just like, best friend kid things. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine, yeah, the, in Korea it's really weird. It's fine, yeah, the, in Korea it's really weird. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] In Korea you'll see a lot of guys holding hands and linking arms. In Korea you'll see a lot of guys holding hands and linking arms. Just at night, like during their like bar crawls or whatever. Just at night, like during their like bar crawls or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And they are actually straight. And they are actually straight. It's very normal for Korean men to just hold hands when [CROSSTALK] It's very normal for Korean men to just hold hands when [CROSSTALK] I mean I kiss all my friends on the cheek. I mean I kiss all my friends on the cheek. I wish we could have that here. I wish we could have that here. So it looks awesome when it's done right. So it looks awesome when it's done right. Yeah. Yeah. You think you could do this? You think you could do this? I mean, I guess I'd have to lift you is what we're saying? I mean, I guess I'd have to lift you is what we're saying? I think we could do that, yeah. I think we could do that, yeah. Wow, a lot of dudes kissing Wow, a lot of dudes kissing Lot of Lot of Lot of dudes kissing Lot of dudes kissing Yeah. Yeah. A lot of girls kissing too, it's a good video to watch. A lot of girls kissing too, it's a good video to watch. For a country that seemed so censored, the definitely have an open stance on homosexuals, right? For a country that seemed so censored, the definitely have an open stance on homosexuals, right? They just don't, but yeah, I don't know. They just don't, but yeah, I don't know. So what, it's weird, how does a meme happen in China when like the internet is censored. So what, it's weird, how does a meme happen in China when like the internet is censored. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. It's weird. It's weird. I didn't actually test that there because, didn't want to look at anything that. I didn't actually test that there because, didn't want to look at anything that. Oh so you didn't use the internet when you were in China? Oh so you didn't use the internet when you were in China? I did but it was like Google Maps. I did but it was like Google Maps. It was all one, like everything went to one website. It was all one, like everything went to one website. Yeah, the Chinese government website. Yeah, the Chinese government website. Yeah. Yeah. Oh failed attempts right there. Oh failed attempts right there. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Korea has censorship, so these are these are the failed attempts. Korea has censorship, so these are these are the failed attempts. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Ooh These are much more fun. Ooh These are much more fun. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Crumbles on the ground. Crumbles on the ground. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Oh, I have a good idea let's try this on ice. Oh, I have a good idea let's try this on ice. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] So it could look pretty painful. So it could look pretty painful. It's hurting me now. It's hurting me now. [CROSSTALK] Right, everyone get's hurt. [CROSSTALK] Right, everyone get's hurt. At least with planking is stationary. At least with planking is stationary. This is a little more dangerous. This is a little more dangerous. Okay. Okay. Well, look, I guess it's true, people will try and emulate anything they see on the internet. Well, look, I guess it's true, people will try and emulate anything they see on the internet. [LAUGH] The hadoukening hitting trend was pretty cool. [LAUGH] The hadoukening hitting trend was pretty cool. It was alright. It was alright. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't really been impressed with any of them. I haven't really been impressed with any of them. No? No? No. No. I like it because it's like movement, and, I don't know, it just looks cool. I like it because it's like movement, and, I don't know, it just looks cool. I like it because it has movement? I like it because it has movement? Because it has movement in the photo. Because it has movement in the photo. It's rad. It's rad. All right. All right. So anyway, just be careful if you try that. So anyway, just be careful if you try that. There's tutorials online. There's tutorials online. I'm not promoting it, but if you do. I'm not promoting it, but if you do. Yeah, we can't promote it. Yeah, we can't promote it. We can't condone that. We can't condone that. Just be safe. Just be safe. Wear a helmet or something. Wear a helmet or something. Right? Right? Yeah. Yeah. Do it on a trampoline. Do it on a trampoline. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Right? All right, so tell us about how, how the Tesla car is gonna help us go on the road. All right, so tell us about how, how the Tesla car is gonna help us go on the road. So, everyone knows what tes, what Tesla is. So, everyone knows what tes, what Tesla is. It's a all electric car manufacturer. It's a all electric car manufacturer. They sell, the cheap, their cheapest car is about $75,000. They sell, the cheap, their cheapest car is about $75,000. Yeah. Yeah. And that has a range, a fully charged range, of about 247 miles, estimated. And that has a range, a fully charged range, of about 247 miles, estimated. That's pretty impressive. That's pretty impressive. That is way higher than any other fully electric car on the market. That is way higher than any other fully electric car on the market. The most, the closest one to that, I believe, is the Leaf. The most, the closest one to that, I believe, is the Leaf. Yeah, the Nissan Leaf, and that's 84 miles. Yeah, the Nissan Leaf, and that's 84 miles. Okay? Okay? That one's, 84, yeah. That one's, 84, yeah. That's nothing. That's nothing. The reason, the reason it's so much more is basically the entire bottom of the car is a battery and it's super expensive. The reason, the reason it's so much more is basically the entire bottom of the car is a battery and it's super expensive. It costs a lot of money. It costs a lot of money. The technology, every other facet of an electric car. The technology, every other facet of an electric car. Save for the battery, is where we need it to be. Save for the battery, is where we need it to be. The battery is really what's holding back the technology. The battery is really what's holding back the technology. If we could get a battery that would last twice that for half the price, half the cars on the road would be electric. If we could get a battery that would last twice that for half the price, half the cars on the road would be electric. We could either do a bigger battery and more charging stations. We could either do a bigger battery and more charging stations. But the battery, who knows what would cost more. But the battery, who knows what would cost more. Right, so. Right, so. Tesla's in a really weird. Tesla's in a really weird. Spot because right now they are a luxury product because of how expensive it is. Spot because right now they are a luxury product because of how expensive it is. Mm-hm Mm-hm This article is a, somewhat, this guy Nate Berg who rented a Tesla and wanted to do a road trip from California to Arizona and back. This article is a, somewhat, this guy Nate Berg who rented a Tesla and wanted to do a road trip from California to Arizona and back. What Tesla did, see it's weird, and I wanna preface the whole story with like, the first thing they had to do. What Tesla did, see it's weird, and I wanna preface the whole story with like, the first thing they had to do. Was, was take into consideration, who like, the, the, the, the use cases of a Tesla, right? Was, was take into consideration, who like, the, the, the, the use cases of a Tesla, right? So they were like. So they were like. Yeah. Yeah. All right, well would somebody feasibly wanna drive a coss, across the country. All right, well would somebody feasibly wanna drive a coss, across the country. Yeah. Yeah. So they put these superchargers. So they put these superchargers. Which are these charging stations that can charge the entire car in an hour. Which are these charging stations that can charge the entire car in an hour. Yeah, usually that's an eight hour charging in a standard plug. Yeah, usually that's an eight hour charging in a standard plug. Yeah, if you did it in your own you know, wall outlet. Yeah, if you did it in your own you know, wall outlet. Yeah. Yeah. So they, they, they basically positioned them across the country. So they, they, they basically positioned them across the country. And here's a map. And here's a map. Of what that looks like. Of what that looks like. So if you can zoom into this, basically each red dot is a supercharger, and the surrounding white, whited out radius is how far you could feasibly drive away from each one. So if you can zoom into this, basically each red dot is a supercharger, and the surrounding white, whited out radius is how far you could feasibly drive away from each one. Yeah. Yeah. So there is a trail. So there is a trail. It's like a mid, a northern Midwestern trail. It's like a mid, a northern Midwestern trail. That lets you go coast to coast. That lets you go coast to coast. Right. Right. If you're in Texas, you're just f-ed, I guess. If you're in Texas, you're just f-ed, I guess. Right. Right. Cuz you can't get out of Texas. Cuz you can't get out of Texas. You physically cannot get out of Texas unless you're using a, an outlet. You physically cannot get out of Texas unless you're using a, an outlet. So that you can go up and down the west and east coast too, no problem. So that you can go up and down the west and east coast too, no problem. Kind of. Kind of. And that's what the, that's what this author was supposing that he could do. And that's what the, that's what this author was supposing that he could do. So he started out his trip, and the estimated mileage that the customer was telling him was that he was going to get 200, about 230, 265 miles in this one trip. So he started out his trip, and the estimated mileage that the customer was telling him was that he was going to get 200, about 230, 265 miles in this one trip. Well guess what? Well guess what? The first leg of the trip, he ran out of, not gas, but juice. The first leg of the trip, he ran out of, not gas, but juice. Yeah. Yeah. He ran out of power. He ran out of power. Three miles away from the nearest charging station. Three miles away from the nearest charging station. Yeah see. Yeah see. That, this is the most interesting part of the story for me is that it's totally an estimation. That, this is the most interesting part of the story for me is that it's totally an estimation. That 265 mile range sounds really specific. That 265 mile range sounds really specific. Yeah, well so is. Yeah, well so is. But it depends on things like how many RPMs you hit. But it depends on things like how many RPMs you hit. Or, you know, if you are going in an elevation that's a little bit higher than your standard. Or, you know, if you are going in an elevation that's a little bit higher than your standard. Of course. Of course. Then it's going to take more juice to power it. Then it's going to take more juice to power it. I mean it. I mean it. I'm sure it's a similar sort of relationship as a, as a combustion engine has with gas. I'm sure it's a similar sort of relationship as a, as a combustion engine has with gas. Right. Right. Like the harder you hit the accelerator. Like the harder you hit the accelerator. Where, you know, you have the air condition on and you are going up. Where, you know, you have the air condition on and you are going up. Uphill and you're flooring it, the gas is not going to last as long as if you're going downhill with the windows open. Uphill and you're flooring it, the gas is not going to last as long as if you're going downhill with the windows open. Right. Right. You know, not hitting the gas that hard. You know, not hitting the gas that hard. The GPS on and all that. The GPS on and all that. Exactly. Exactly. So, well actually that, you know, when it comes an electric car, all that comes into play, because everything is draining the battery. So, well actually that, you know, when it comes an electric car, all that comes into play, because everything is draining the battery. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So this author had a problem. So this author had a problem. And they got. And they got. They ran out of juice three miles away from the charging station. They ran out of juice three miles away from the charging station. Yeah. Yeah. Now here's where things get a little interesting. Now here's where things get a little interesting. Their basically coasting on the quote, un quote, fumes. Their basically coasting on the quote, un quote, fumes. They have to pull over to the side. They have to pull over to the side. They have to call up a tow truck. They have to call up a tow truck. Now don't forget, they rented this test run. Now don't forget, they rented this test run. Yeah. Yeah. They call up a tow service, call up Trippe A. They call up a tow service, call up Trippe A. Nobody would take on the toe, because it's a hundred thousand dollar car that they're in, and there's too much of a liability for the car towing company to take on. Nobody would take on the toe, because it's a hundred thousand dollar car that they're in, and there's too much of a liability for the car towing company to take on. They don't want to be responsible for screwing up the Tesla, it's like a border line space ship you know. They don't want to be responsible for screwing up the Tesla, it's like a border line space ship you know. Yeah, and they couldn't take it. Yeah, and they couldn't take it. In to neutral, so that they could actually put it on the back of the tow truck. In to neutral, so that they could actually put it on the back of the tow truck. I thought that was, I couldn't even, like think about that. I thought that was, I couldn't even, like think about that. There's some, there's like a kill switch, that they have to engage, There's some, there's like a kill switch, that they have to engage, yeah, like when you put it in park, you have to, you can't just jump the engine really quick just to put it in neutral, you have to get a micro charge. yeah, like when you put it in park, you have to, you can't just jump the engine really quick just to put it in neutral, you have to get a micro charge. It's crazy, and look it's not a very elegant. It's crazy, and look it's not a very elegant. Solution. Solution. You know Tesla, I, I, me, I'm really into Tesla. You know Tesla, I, I, me, I'm really into Tesla. I think it's great for what it is. I think it's great for what it is. It's obviously not for you or me or really anyone. It's obviously not for you or me or really anyone. It's that 1% sort of you know, demographic that it's good for and yes, battery technology will improve, will get cheaper, but the rate of that increase is not coming in line with you know, how willing people are to purchase one of these things. It's that 1% sort of you know, demographic that it's good for and yes, battery technology will improve, will get cheaper, but the rate of that increase is not coming in line with you know, how willing people are to purchase one of these things. So anyway. So anyway. They, you know, basically summarize this like, you know, you have to take this into consideration. They, you know, basically summarize this like, you know, you have to take this into consideration. When you're on a road trip, you don't have this quote, unquote, range anxiety. When you're on a road trip, you don't have this quote, unquote, range anxiety. Right. Right. The way you have with a Tesla. The way you have with a Tesla. Man, I hope there's enough juice left in these batteries for [CROSSTALK] Man, I hope there's enough juice left in these batteries for [CROSSTALK] Yeah. Yeah. When you have a car with gas. When you have a car with gas. You know, obviously this has been the case for a hundred years in the country. You know, obviously this has been the case for a hundred years in the country. You're okay, you sort of can, you don't have to worry. You're okay, you sort of can, you don't have to worry. There's always gonna be a gas station, most of the time. There's always gonna be a gas station, most of the time. So there's this weird sort of paradox that Tesla finds itself in. So there's this weird sort of paradox that Tesla finds itself in. Because at one point, they wanna make all these superchargers across the country. Because at one point, they wanna make all these superchargers across the country. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But, ten, 15, 25 years down the road battery technology will improve where they wont need these super chargers. But, ten, 15, 25 years down the road battery technology will improve where they wont need these super chargers. So these super chargers that they've laid out across the country, and there's about 85 of them right now, they won't need to be there forever. So these super chargers that they've laid out across the country, and there's about 85 of them right now, they won't need to be there forever. They'll only need to be there for a limited amount of time. They'll only need to be there for a limited amount of time. So this is, like again, this is weird sort of grey area sort of phase that they're in right now, dealing with the amount of superchargers. So this is, like again, this is weird sort of grey area sort of phase that they're in right now, dealing with the amount of superchargers. Look, it costs a hundred grand to set up one of those things, and Tesla is paying for all of it. Look, it costs a hundred grand to set up one of those things, and Tesla is paying for all of it. They also talk about how, even when you reach a supercharger station, often times it's not connected to a supermarket or a fast food restaurant like a lot of the gas stations are on your road trips. They also talk about how, even when you reach a supercharger station, often times it's not connected to a supermarket or a fast food restaurant like a lot of the gas stations are on your road trips. So it would just be a supercharger station, that's in the middle of a desert, and even that, an hour is kinda a long time to just sit in your car and wait for this thing. So it would just be a supercharger station, that's in the middle of a desert, and even that, an hour is kinda a long time to just sit in your car and wait for this thing. Right, right, and that's, and that's not totally true. Right, right, and that's, and that's not totally true. Like, I guess the ones in the middle of nowhere suck and what are you gonna do. Like, I guess the ones in the middle of nowhere suck and what are you gonna do. But a lot of them they've signed a lot of deals with strip malls, you know const, contracting companies. But a lot of them they've signed a lot of deals with strip malls, you know const, contracting companies. So they'll make that hour worth of charging. So they'll make that hour worth of charging. A little more bearable, you go and you have a bite to eat. A little more bearable, you go and you have a bite to eat. The one he was at was in the restaurant, was in the parking lot of Chilis. The one he was at was in the restaurant, was in the parking lot of Chilis. Yeah. Yeah. So you go in and have yourself a quesadilla explosion, you come outside and, your Teslas all souped up. So you go in and have yourself a quesadilla explosion, you come outside and, your Teslas all souped up. So, it's really a strange sort of thing and the article really gets into talking about, wow, you know. So, it's really a strange sort of thing and the article really gets into talking about, wow, you know. This is temporarily disrupting the idea of taking a road trip with an electric car. This is temporarily disrupting the idea of taking a road trip with an electric car. And it's a very interesting piece, I highly recommend checking it out. And it's a very interesting piece, I highly recommend checking it out. For me, it's like, I, I really do think, you know, obviously this is the future. For me, it's like, I, I really do think, you know, obviously this is the future. They go on to sort of speculate what the future of, you know, non-gas cars will be, and every sort of, you know, theorist and person involved in the science behind the future of transportation seems to believe that. They go on to sort of speculate what the future of, you know, non-gas cars will be, and every sort of, you know, theorist and person involved in the science behind the future of transportation seems to believe that. In the future, cars won't necessarily be 100% electronic, but you'll see these better done hybrids. In the future, cars won't necessarily be 100% electronic, but you'll see these better done hybrids. We have hybrids now, but they're not as efficient as they could be. We have hybrids now, but they're not as efficient as they could be. You know, a hybrid of the future, will be mostly electronic, but still maybe be able to run on hydrogen or, or, or natural gas or something. You know, a hybrid of the future, will be mostly electronic, but still maybe be able to run on hydrogen or, or, or natural gas or something. Right, a back up. Right, a back up. Where it doesn't, where, where you're just not screwed if left out in the middle of the desert you know, having range anxiety. Where it doesn't, where, where you're just not screwed if left out in the middle of the desert you know, having range anxiety. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. So it's an interesting read. So it's an interesting read. Go check it out from The Atlantic. Go check it out from The Atlantic. When was the last road trip you guys have been on? When was the last road trip you guys have been on? I haven't gone on a road trip in so long. I haven't gone on a road trip in so long. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't know. Well, I don't have a car. Well, I don't have a car. So it's hard. So it's hard. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think the last road trip we went on. Well, I think the last road trip we went on. I've been on. I've been on. Was with you. Was with you. But that's not a road trip. But that's not a road trip. To Atlantic City was the longest I've driven. To Atlantic City was the longest I've driven. That's like an hour and half. That's like an hour and half. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] You don't drive when you live on the East Coast. [LAUGH] You don't drive when you live on the East Coast. Yeah, road trip is going from like, you know, driving all day. Yeah, road trip is going from like, you know, driving all day. Going to hotels. Going to hotels. Driving all day. Driving all day. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I've ever done that then. I don't think I've ever done that then. Yeah. Yeah. What about you, Oreo? What about you, Oreo? You ever do like San Francisco to Portland? You ever do like San Francisco to Portland? no. no. I did San Francisco to LA. I did San Francisco to LA. Yeah. Yeah. And I've done San Francisco to Vegas. And I've done San Francisco to Vegas. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And that was painful. And that was painful. How far is San Francisco to Vegas? How far is San Francisco to Vegas? It's like a ten-hour drive. It's like a ten-hour drive. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, it sucks. [SOUND] That's a road trip, for sure. [SOUND] That's a road trip, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I,ve, I do a lot of six-hour trips sometimes, if I'm going to, You know, Vermont, or from going down to, like, Virginia, sometimes that could take six hours. I mean, I,ve, I do a lot of six-hour trips sometimes, if I'm going to, You know, Vermont, or from going down to, like, Virginia, sometimes that could take six hours. We were talking about this in the pre-show, but maybe we should take a road trip up to Montreal. We were talking about this in the pre-show, but maybe we should take a road trip up to Montreal. Sure. Sure. I'm game. I'm game. Get nasty up there. Get nasty up there. Sign me up. Sign me up. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to rent a Tesla though. I would love to rent a Tesla though. Wouldn't you want to try one of those out? Wouldn't you want to try one of those out? I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind. Right? Right? Sponsorship opportunity? Sponsorship opportunity? You'd think, like, there's, I don't think Tesla advertises. You'd think, like, there's, I don't think Tesla advertises. They don't have to. They don't have to. They don't have to. They don't have to. They're sort of like this brand. They're sort of like this brand. Although, you sorta seek, like, Maserati advertising. Although, you sorta seek, like, Maserati advertising. Mm hm. Mm hm. Like, are people not aware of Maseratis? Like, are people not aware of Maseratis? They're, just, like, wait a second. They're, just, like, wait a second. I, I have money to burn. I, I have money to burn. Where can I burn it? Where can I burn it? Oh, Maserati. Oh, Maserati. Maserati, where have you seen Maser-, like, commercials? Maserati, where have you seen Maser-, like, commercials? During the Super Bowl, there was a Maserati ad. During the Super Bowl, there was a Maserati ad. Oh really? Oh really? Just in case you forgot about it. Just in case you forgot about it. Just in case you forgot about this. Just in case you forgot about this. There is a quarter of a million dollar car that exists. There is a quarter of a million dollar car that exists. It's like Aston Martin advertising. It's like Aston Martin advertising. It's strange. It's strange. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I find this super, interesting so check out the, the piece about Tesla. Anyway, I find this super, interesting so check out the, the piece about Tesla. All right, cool. All right, cool. What, are you into, do you think that's cool? What, are you into, do you think that's cool? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's because I just bought a car, I'm, I'm like Maybe it's because I just bought a car, I'm, I'm like No, I think it's really cool. No, I think it's really cool. I mean, a friend of mine bought a Prius. I mean, a friend of mine bought a Prius. Not the coolest looking car, but it's amazing how quiet those things are. Not the coolest looking car, but it's amazing how quiet those things are. Yeah. Yeah. See, I don't know if the quiet thing is good. See, I don't know if the quiet thing is good. It could be dangerous for cyclists. It could be dangerous for cyclists. Urban, like, when I'm walking Marty at night, and one of, a lot of the cabs in Hoboken are hybrids. Urban, like, when I'm walking Marty at night, and one of, a lot of the cabs in Hoboken are hybrids. Yeah. Yeah. And they, they sound, they don't even make as much noise as a golf cart. And they, they sound, they don't even make as much noise as a golf cart. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty freaky. It's pretty freaky. And you're like, all of a sudden they just sneak up on you, and you're like, what the. And you're like, all of a sudden they just sneak up on you, and you're like, what the. What the hell? What the hell? Have you seen those zero emissions FedEx delivery trucks that have been going around? Have you seen those zero emissions FedEx delivery trucks that have been going around? No. No. They're super narrow. They're super narrow. If you spend a lot of time in the city you'll see them everywhere. If you spend a lot of time in the city you'll see them everywhere. They're just narrow enough to fit inside of a bike lane. They're just narrow enough to fit inside of a bike lane. That's how small they are. That's how small they are. So, they're a little bit longer than your average FedEx truck So, they're a little bit longer than your average FedEx truck Okay. Okay. But really, really skinny, like on a car. But really, really skinny, like on a car. And you'll see them everywhere. And you'll see them everywhere. It's so cool. It's so cool. They look like little spaceships driving They look like little spaceships driving Interesting. Interesting. around the city. around the city. I like seeing that kind of thing. I like seeing that kind of thing. It makes me feel like I'm in the future. It makes me feel like I'm in the future. Yeah, speaking of in the future. Yeah, speaking of in the future. I want to talk about robot really quick. I want to talk about robot really quick. These things are everywhere. These things are everywhere. I think Bridget went to a Asimo, the Honda Asimo robot press conference last month. I think Bridget went to a Asimo, the Honda Asimo robot press conference last month. Just go back to that video, it looked really cool. Just go back to that video, it looked really cool. But we got robots doing everything for us now. But we got robots doing everything for us now. But there are some researches that are begging the question, do robots have to command us to do stuff? But there are some researches that are begging the question, do robots have to command us to do stuff? Can they just ask or be a little more polite, say please, thank you, how's your mother, ask questions. Can they just ask or be a little more polite, say please, thank you, how's your mother, ask questions. That was a good That was a good Yeah, this kind of thing. Yeah, this kind of thing. Well, teaching manners to a robot is really hard apparently. Well, teaching manners to a robot is really hard apparently. But one researcher, one group of researchers. But one researcher, one group of researchers. At the Open Roboethics Initiative, the O.R.I., they're trying to basically lubricate interactions between robots and humans on an everyday basis. At the Open Roboethics Initiative, the O.R.I., they're trying to basically lubricate interactions between robots and humans on an everyday basis. Finally. Finally. Right? Right? So, the idea is that as we're starting to see robot helping us out in sort of a consumer retail space. So, the idea is that as we're starting to see robot helping us out in sort of a consumer retail space. Like robot baristas, for example. Like robot baristas, for example. Okay. Okay. The need for them to be polite, answer questions and do things like, you know, open a door for you or get out of your way when you're trying to walk to the bathroom or something. The need for them to be polite, answer questions and do things like, you know, open a door for you or get out of your way when you're trying to walk to the bathroom or something. Well, that's nice. Well, that's nice. So, it's become bigger necessities. So, it's become bigger necessities. Like, can I hold your coat? Like, can I hold your coat? While you go to the bathroom. While you go to the bathroom. Yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah exactly. I would appreciate that. I would appreciate that. so, you know with robots serving the consumer space they're starting to do more research on this kind of thing. so, you know with robots serving the consumer space they're starting to do more research on this kind of thing. And this is kind of interesting, so in this video on motherboard, they basically profile an experiment with a mail delivering robot. And this is kind of interesting, so in this video on motherboard, they basically profile an experiment with a mail delivering robot. That the open robo ethics initial is basically testing right now. That the open robo ethics initial is basically testing right now. So the experiment is this, they programmed a robot to deliver mail upstairs from their office. So the experiment is this, they programmed a robot to deliver mail upstairs from their office. And to get upstairs they programmed it to use the elevator. And to get upstairs they programmed it to use the elevator. And when they get into the elevator when they're about to exit as they reach the floor as the elevator doors open the robot is presented with three scenarios. And when they get into the elevator when they're about to exit as they reach the floor as the elevator doors open the robot is presented with three scenarios. When the door opens it's always either a person carrying nothing, just a regular person, a person carrying a heavy box. When the door opens it's always either a person carrying nothing, just a regular person, a person carrying a heavy box. Okay. Okay. And then the third scenario the robot is presented with is a person in a wheelchair. And then the third scenario the robot is presented with is a person in a wheelchair. Not holding- Not holding- Okay. Okay. Not, holding nothing. Not, holding nothing. Okay. Okay. So it was then up to the robot to decide what to do based on artificial intelligence. So it was then up to the robot to decide what to do based on artificial intelligence. Hm. Hm. And what they had pre-programmed it, for manners, right? And what they had pre-programmed it, for manners, right? That's kinda cool. That's kinda cool. So within this video, it's kind of interesting. So within this video, it's kind of interesting. So they say- So they say- [LAUGH] [LAUGH] If the robot has urgent mail. If the robot has urgent mail. Why's this robot look like a prop from an 80s movie? Why's this robot look like a prop from an 80s movie? [LAUGH] [LAUGH] It looks like Johnny 5. It looks like Johnny 5. It. It. Makes Johnny 5 look like, you know, a Maserati Makes Johnny 5 look like, you know, a Maserati Yeah. Yeah. It looks like Johnny 5 mated with your office copy machine. It looks like Johnny 5 mated with your office copy machine. It's really inelegant, but It's really inelegant, but Well thank you I'll get the next one Well thank you I'll get the next one They have an urgent mail to deliver and there's a person in the elevator. They have an urgent mail to deliver and there's a person in the elevator. They ask the person if they're in a hurry. They ask the person if they're in a hurry. And if the person says yes, then the robot sort of extends its arm and says, [CROSSTALK]. And if the person says yes, then the robot sort of extends its arm and says, [CROSSTALK]. It's like manner logic. It's like manner logic. It's kinda smart right? It's kinda smart right? It's like, you go first. It's like, you go first. If the person is not in a rush. If the person is not in a rush. It's gonna offend this guy. It's gonna offend this guy. Yeah, then the guy like, gets pushed out of the way. Yeah, then the guy like, gets pushed out of the way. If it's a wheelchair, a guy in a wheelchair. If it's a wheelchair, a guy in a wheelchair. And the robot tried to mate with the guy [LAUGH] And the robot tried to mate with the guy [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] We are alike. [CROSSTALK] We are alike. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. What is this thing. What is this thing. [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] That's not right. That's not right. Just not right. Just not right. It's money though. It's money though. Looking good. Looking good. [LAUGH] Damn, girl. [LAUGH] Damn, girl. Oh God. Oh God. [LAUGH] So if the person in the wheelchair, the wheelchair. [LAUGH] So if the person in the wheelchair, the wheelchair. You mean the guy in the wheelchair moving his legs with no problem? You mean the guy in the wheelchair moving his legs with no problem? Always gets the right of way. Always gets the right of way. Yeah. Yeah. No matter if the person, the robot is in a rush or not. No matter if the person, the robot is in a rush or not. So if, so okay, so all kidding aside, it, it's able to discern. So if, so okay, so all kidding aside, it, it's able to discern. Yeah. Yeah. What different, so, but how, but how many like scenarios can you program into it? What different, so, but how, but how many like scenarios can you program into it? Well. Well. Oh, so the, the idea is that the robots are programs are programmed with a cloud-based memory system. Oh, so the, the idea is that the robots are programs are programmed with a cloud-based memory system. So this is pretty cool. So this is pretty cool. Across the country, different researchers are working together to upload, basically, manners algorithms into a cloud. Across the country, different researchers are working together to upload, basically, manners algorithms into a cloud. And. And. So it could always learn [CROSSTALK] So it could always learn [CROSSTALK] Yeah. Yeah. So for robots that aren't specifically trained with the database in mind. So for robots that aren't specifically trained with the database in mind. They can access the cloud and pull down a response to whatever they, they get into. They can access the cloud and pull down a response to whatever they, they get into. And what happens when the robot is impolite? And what happens when the robot is impolite? Then it's up to the person to teach the robot a lesson. Then it's up to the person to teach the robot a lesson. Please don't pull my parts. Please don't pull my parts. Yeah, yeah, he just gets his arm ripped off. Yeah, yeah, he just gets his arm ripped off. By the way, that's the only funny way to do a robot voice. By the way, that's the only funny way to do a robot voice. Right. Right. Any other way is just fruitless. Any other way is just fruitless. Right. Right. And you gotta do the arms, too. And you gotta do the arms, too. God, this robot is so frickin' old looking'. God, this robot is so frickin' old looking'. It doesn't look nice at all. It doesn't look nice at all. It doesn't look nice. It doesn't look nice. I feel like you see that Honda robot who can, like, run and I feel like you see that Honda robot who can, like, run and Yeah. Yeah. It can do, like, hula hoops and stuff like that. It can do, like, hula hoops and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff like, rock the baby to sleep. Stuff like, rock the baby to sleep. Yeah. Yeah. This one is like, Clunky McClunkerson. This one is like, Clunky McClunkerson. Right. Right. You know, the **** backwards robot. You know, the **** backwards robot. Oh, it's super creepy to see it rolling around the corner. Oh, it's super creepy to see it rolling around the corner. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He looks crazy. He looks crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's just holding a nail in its head It's just holding a nail in its head It looks like a gigantic vacuum. It looks like a gigantic vacuum. Yeah. Yeah. He has got a martini shaker in his mouth. He has got a martini shaker in his mouth. When the robot. When the robot. I feel like whenever a robot is standing in front of an elevator, it should always get out of the way, out of the way. I feel like whenever a robot is standing in front of an elevator, it should always get out of the way, out of the way. No matter who is the person inside of it. No matter who is the person inside of it. Yeah, yeah it will never have the priority. Yeah, yeah it will never have the priority. It shouldn't have to be like, yes, I'm in a rush. It shouldn't have to be like, yes, I'm in a rush. Get the f out of the way dude. Get the f out of the way dude. Like it actually blocks the exit to the elevator. Like it actually blocks the exit to the elevator. Look the guy in the wheel chair is like what the hell, I was trying to get in there. Look the guy in the wheel chair is like what the hell, I was trying to get in there. Yeah so this is a case where it was an urgency, like they had to deliver the mail quickly and it was like, can't wait for you. Yeah so this is a case where it was an urgency, like they had to deliver the mail quickly and it was like, can't wait for you. Lieutenant Dan. Lieutenant Dan. [LAUGH] There's a lot of things [LAUGH] There's a lot of things that we are not where we need to be. that we are not where we need to be. Battery technology in cars, and mother effin robots. Battery technology in cars, and mother effin robots. Terrifying. Terrifying. They're just not where we want them to be at. They're just not where we want them to be at. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. Thanks Science, you talk a big game. Thanks Science, you talk a big game. Yeah. Yeah. Piss me off. Piss me off. Last thing of the day, net neutrality, what's going on with Google and Netflix. Last thing of the day, net neutrality, what's going on with Google and Netflix. See yesterday, I was, I was a little concerned, I kind of felt. See yesterday, I was, I was a little concerned, I kind of felt. I felt, I felt helpless. I felt, I felt helpless. I was like, man, you know, no one's really gonna fight this fight for us, right. I was like, man, you know, no one's really gonna fight this fight for us, right. The people we elect into, you know, authoritative positions aren't really carrying the flame for us. The people we elect into, you know, authoritative positions aren't really carrying the flame for us. So, why not leave it to two companies that know more about us. So, why not leave it to two companies that know more about us. Than any other corporations on earth, Google and Netflix. Than any other corporations on earth, Google and Netflix. They are considering, I don't know how you should take that, but they're considering an all out PR blitz against the current FCC net neutrality proposal. They are considering, I don't know how you should take that, but they're considering an all out PR blitz against the current FCC net neutrality proposal. You might recall a similar, all out war on the soapa situation that happened a few years ago. You might recall a similar, all out war on the soapa situation that happened a few years ago. Apparently, big tech firms like Google, like Netflix, like Yahoo have kind of remained silent. Apparently, big tech firms like Google, like Netflix, like Yahoo have kind of remained silent. Little radio silent up until recently about what. Little radio silent up until recently about what. Proposals like FCC's Chairman Tom Wheeler have recently conveyed. Proposals like FCC's Chairman Tom Wheeler have recently conveyed. so, you know, look it's not, there's no real hard evidence that this is gonna happen. so, you know, look it's not, there's no real hard evidence that this is gonna happen. There's a lot of you know sorta murmuring go on that, that, that proposes that this is what's going to happen. There's a lot of you know sorta murmuring go on that, that, that proposes that this is what's going to happen. But look, there's a few people in Congress who get it. But look, there's a few people in Congress who get it. Mm. Mm. Who understand that the Internet should be the same for everyone in the same capac, in the same capacity as like, you know. Who understand that the Internet should be the same for everyone in the same capac, in the same capacity as like, you know. Not allowing other companies to get quicker access or deliver their content quicker than other companies. Not allowing other companies to get quicker access or deliver their content quicker than other companies. Tiered. Tiered. No tiered sort of thing. No tiered sort of thing. This is the Internet. This is the Internet. Is the wealth of human knowledge. Is the wealth of human knowledge. Whether some of it is somersault kissing and whether some of it is, you know, how to build a bomb. Whether some of it is somersault kissing and whether some of it is, you know, how to build a bomb. It's still the collective intelligence of the entire planet and none of that should be throttled or held back. It's still the collective intelligence of the entire planet and none of that should be throttled or held back. To every single person on earth, except the robots. To every single person on earth, except the robots. Right. Right. And Internet providers. And Internet providers. Right, but look. Right, but look. Cuz they're already doing it. Cuz they're already doing it. Well the, they, they, they're not though. Well the, they, they, they're not though. I mean, right now. I mean, right now. There's really not, some cases of throttling have, have come up but right now it seems like the pipe is, is wide open. There's really not, some cases of throttling have, have come up but right now it seems like the pipe is, is wide open. What is Time Warner's speed boost? What is Time Warner's speed boost? You know, when they advertise oh, you can pay $10 more and get supposedly faster internet. You know, when they advertise oh, you can pay $10 more and get supposedly faster internet. Does that mean that Time Warner is throttling everybody else that comes into it? Does that mean that Time Warner is throttling everybody else that comes into it? Well, they're capping, they're capping it. Well, they're capping, they're capping it. That is messed up. That is messed up. But they've always done that. But they've always done that. Yeah. Yeah. But that's always been the case. But that's always been the case. So I guess we're only happy with. So I guess we're only happy with. Well it's like. Well it's like. Them doing it. Them doing it. We want more cooks in the kitchen? We want more cooks in the kitchen? Well, the. Well, the. It's not about that. It's not about that. I'm not cool with that either. I'm not cool with that either. But that's, that's a, to me that's a. But that's, that's a, to me that's a. Just a different. Just a different. That's like you buy. That's like you buy. A $30,000 car, or you buy a $70,000 car. A $30,000 car, or you buy a $70,000 car. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. You're still allowed to go on the road, you're just gonna go way faster in that Corvette than you are the Prius. You're still allowed to go on the road, you're just gonna go way faster in that Corvette than you are the Prius. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Do you know what I mean? Do you know what I mean? I guess so. I guess so. It just, yeah. It just, yeah. I guess it just feels like shades of grey to me. I guess it just feels like shades of grey to me. But yes, I am, I am. But yes, I am, I am. You're not totally wrong. You're not totally wrong. I'm on the right side of that neutrality. I'm on the right side of that neutrality. Right, of course, so it, it'll be interesting to see what they do if they do do anything. Right, of course, so it, it'll be interesting to see what they do if they do do anything. It's in their best interest. It's in their best interest. I mean, it's a little, it's a little hypocritical for Netflix to sort of be involved in that neutrality since they've been having to work out these sort of shiesty deals with Comcast and with, you know, what's going to happen with Time Warner and Verizon about. I mean, it's a little, it's a little hypocritical for Netflix to sort of be involved in that neutrality since they've been having to work out these sort of shiesty deals with Comcast and with, you know, what's going to happen with Time Warner and Verizon about. You know having them pay more to, to have their services, go through uncompromised. You know having them pay more to, to have their services, go through uncompromised. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see how this plays out. We'll see how this plays out. But, it's good to know. But, it's good to know. And yesterday I felt terrible after like admitting that we're just weren't completely helpless with this whole thing. And yesterday I felt terrible after like admitting that we're just weren't completely helpless with this whole thing. But, there are a few people in congress that get it. But, there are a few people in congress that get it. And want to protect it. And want to protect it. But you know, maybe it will take something like Google. But you know, maybe it will take something like Google. I mean look, it took like between two furnace to get like ObomaCare over the ,over the hill, right? I mean look, it took like between two furnace to get like ObomaCare over the ,over the hill, right? Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Or it will help for them at least. Or it will help for them at least. So maybe this will be following the same sort of route. So maybe this will be following the same sort of route. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can definitely write your congressman, right? Yeah, you can definitely write your congressman, right? Get him on the right side. Get him on the right side. You can. You can. I don't know if that's actually worked for every. I don't know if that's actually worked for every. Yeah. Yeah. Like anybody would be, oh ****, that's all I had to do, was write him a letter. Like anybody would be, oh ****, that's all I had to do, was write him a letter. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I got my I got my new police station. And you know, I got my I got my new police station. More work for the interns. More work for the interns. I don't know. I don't know. There is something you can do. There is something you can do. What it is, we don't know yet. What it is, we don't know yet. Before we say goodbye for the day. Before we say goodbye for the day. I kind of like what's happening here, a little trend happening with some of our viewers. I kind of like what's happening here, a little trend happening with some of our viewers. They're like, writing in quick and dirty movie reviews. They're like, writing in quick and dirty movie reviews. Spoiler-free movie reviews. Spoiler-free movie reviews. The latest one we got. The latest one we got. Was from Andre, his quick and dirty review of Spiderman two. Was from Andre, his quick and dirty review of Spiderman two. Hey guys. Hey guys. I saw an advance screening of Spiderman two yesterday and I just wanted to give you some thoughts on it and also if you guys are planning on seeing it or not. I saw an advance screening of Spiderman two yesterday and I just wanted to give you some thoughts on it and also if you guys are planning on seeing it or not. I actually was gonna go to a screening last week, but I couldn't go. I actually was gonna go to a screening last week, but I couldn't go. I had to take care of some personal stuff. I had to take care of some personal stuff. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. But, Mark. But, Mark. Quin, and he liked it. Quin, and he liked it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. And we are not spoiling anything here don't worry. And we are not spoiling anything here don't worry. Although, can you really spoil a Spider-Man movie? Although, can you really spoil a Spider-Man movie? I mean, he's going to shoot stuff out of his arm. I mean, he's going to shoot stuff out of his arm. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. He's going to be like, standing cameo. He's going to be like, standing cameo. Right. Right. Right? Right? You're not worried about him dying. You're not worried about him dying. Exactly. Exactly. I thought the movie was horrible. I thought the movie was horrible. This movie basically retells the story of the first Spiderman with Tobey Maguire and Green Goblin but with Electro added in. This movie basically retells the story of the first Spiderman with Tobey Maguire and Green Goblin but with Electro added in. Like Jeff was saying about how Anchorman 2 made him mad and upset, this movie did that for me. Like Jeff was saying about how Anchorman 2 made him mad and upset, this movie did that for me. The villains reason for want to kill Spiderman was totally absurd. The villains reason for want to kill Spiderman was totally absurd. I mean, do they ever really have a good reason why they want to kill Spiderman? I mean, do they ever really have a good reason why they want to kill Spiderman? Is it ever really like,. Is it ever really like,. Found it and some truths. Found it and some truths. No, it's always, I want to take over the world, but you're in my way. No, it's always, I want to take over the world, but you're in my way. Right. Right. It's like that. It's like that. Or, I mean, every now and then, you got a villain who has a legitimate grudge against the protagonist. Or, I mean, every now and then, you got a villain who has a legitimate grudge against the protagonist. Where it's like, you're dad killed my dad. Where it's like, you're dad killed my dad. Or something like. Or something like. Yeah, Green Goblin I guess will do that. Yeah, Green Goblin I guess will do that. Yeah, I guess, but it's, like, yeah. Yeah, I guess, but it's, like, yeah. I guess that makes more sense than apparently what's happening in Spider-Man 2. He said also the love story is overplayed and stupid. I guess that makes more sense than apparently what's happening in Spider-Man 2. He said also the love story is overplayed and stupid. Aw. Aw. I have a feeling you'd be happier not seeing this movie, re-watching the first one. I have a feeling you'd be happier not seeing this movie, re-watching the first one. I don't know, man. I don't know, man. I kind of don't love those first Spider-Man movies. I kind of don't love those first Spider-Man movies. I kind of don't love Tobey Maguire's. I kind of don't love Tobey Maguire's. Spiderman at all. Spiderman at all. With any kind of Superhero movie, I will watch it. With any kind of Superhero movie, I will watch it. Like, I don't care what the reviews, I don't discount Andre's quick review. Like, I don't care what the reviews, I don't discount Andre's quick review. I believe that he didn't like it, but I feel like with Superhero movies, everyone's going to watch this, regardless of what the critics say. I believe that he didn't like it, but I feel like with Superhero movies, everyone's going to watch this, regardless of what the critics say. I think it will do okay, I think it will do okay, Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like the, the legacy of the story goes back long enough with the fans to, you know, even if they're gonna hate on it afterwards, they'll watch it. I mean, like the, the legacy of the story goes back long enough with the fans to, you know, even if they're gonna hate on it afterwards, they'll watch it. It's still too much too often. It's still too much too often. Too many [INAUDIBLE] movies? Too many [INAUDIBLE] movies? Too many spidermans. Too many spidermans. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. You gotta, you gotta let that dust settle before you crack open the vault again. You gotta, you gotta let that dust settle before you crack open the vault again. Yeah, too many, too many directors, too many actors playing the same character. Yeah, too many, too many directors, too many actors playing the same character. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] There's so many villains, why do they have to go back to Green Goblin? There's so many villains, why do they have to go back to Green Goblin? Exactly. Exactly. Who else is Spiderman, feud with? Who else is Spiderman, feud with? I was hoping that they would play more on like, the Venom movie. I was hoping that they would play more on like, the Venom movie. I don't know if that's still coming out as a side movie, a spinoff. I don't know if that's still coming out as a side movie, a spinoff. Oh, Venom, like as the star? Oh, Venom, like as the star? Maybe not with Toby. Maybe not with Toby. Yeah, not with, what's his name. Yeah, not with, what's his name. Topher Grace. Topher Grace. Topher Grace, I did not like him. Topher Grace, I did not like him. Not who I imagined in that role. Not who I imagined in that role. And Eddy Brock. And Eddy Brock. Yeah, Eddie Brock's supposed to be like a tough guy, Topher Grace the opposite. Yeah, Eddie Brock's supposed to be like a tough guy, Topher Grace the opposite. I accidentally saw the end of, he's in Spiderman 3 right? I accidentally saw the end of, he's in Spiderman 3 right? Yeah Yeah Saw the end of that, and like what it looked like Saw the end of that, and like what it looked like Yeah Yeah It's terrible It's terrible It doesn't hold up now does it, the CGI? It doesn't hold up now does it, the CGI? Terrible. Terrible. I don't know if I'm just bitter, I don't know if I'm just bitter, Yeah Yeah Or movies just look better now. Or movies just look better now. It's only been a few years. It's only been a few years. Man they do not age well. Man they do not age well. They are not like fine wine. They are not like fine wine. I gotta say though, superhero movies are a great way to connect with kids. I gotta say though, superhero movies are a great way to connect with kids. If you ever have to like, impress a kid, I'm always really thankful that superhero movies are still around. If you ever have to like, impress a kid, I'm always really thankful that superhero movies are still around. Cuz it sort of creates this like, common interest between you. Cuz it sort of creates this like, common interest between you. Sure. Sure. It's great, I loved it. It's great, I loved it. Like when we were in Singapore, we visited my, visited P&E's cousin's kids 2 and 5 years old Like when we were in Singapore, we visited my, visited P&E's cousin's kids 2 and 5 years old Yeah Yeah It's all they want to talk about It's all they want to talk about [UNKNOWN] avengers [UNKNOWN] avengers and they have no idea of what they're talking about but because on the total nerd-ing grew up with that stuff you're gonna have a conversation with a kid and they have no idea of what they're talking about but because on the total nerd-ing grew up with that stuff you're gonna have a conversation with a kid Yeah Yeah [LAUGH] it's great, so I'm sure a lot of fathers and anyone who's around kids a lot is really appreciative of those movies [LAUGH] it's great, so I'm sure a lot of fathers and anyone who's around kids a lot is really appreciative of those movies Right On Right On You have a little nephew right? You have a little nephew right? That. That. No, I have no nephews. No, I have no nephews. I have nieces. I have nieces. Oh, you have a niece. Oh, you have a niece. I can't relate to them with like Frozen and stuff like that. I can't relate to them with like Frozen and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Does it feel, I don't know. Does it feel, I don't know. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] [INAUDIBLE] movies and stuff. [INAUDIBLE] movies and stuff. I feel like little girls don't really like that. I feel like little girls don't really like that. Yeah. Yeah. They just want to talk to me about like. They just want to talk to me about like. You know Cinderella and Rapunzel and Sing a Frozen Song. You know Cinderella and Rapunzel and Sing a Frozen Song. The children can watch the same thing over and over and over. The children can watch the same thing over and over and over. Blows my mind. Blows my mind. Anyway feel free to send your quick and dirty spoiler free review the four oh four at cnet. Anyway feel free to send your quick and dirty spoiler free review the four oh four at cnet. Dot com. Dot com. You can also tweet us at the404. You can also tweet us at the404. Follow us on Reddit, Instagram, and Facebook as well. Follow us on Reddit, Instagram, and Facebook as well. We're back here tomorrow, we will finish up the week the right way. We're back here tomorrow, we will finish up the week the right way. Hope you're having a great day. Hope you're having a great day. Thanks for tuning in, we'll see you guys tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in, we'll see you guys tomorrow. I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Justin Yu. I'm Justin Yu. I'm Mario Nunez. I'm Mario Nunez. This has been The 404 Show, high tech, low brow. This has been The 404 Show, high tech, low brow. See you guys tomorrow. See you guys tomorrow. Peace out. Peace out. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] Battery technology in cars, and mother effin robots. Battery technology in cars, and mother effin robots. Terrifying. Terrifying. They're just not where we want them to be at. They're just not where we want them to be at. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. Thanks Science, you talk a big game. Thanks Science, you talk a big game. Yeah. Yeah. Piss me off. Piss me off. Last thing of the day, net neutrality, what's going on with Google and Netflix. Last thing of the day, net neutrality, what's going on with Google and Netflix. See yesterday, I was, I was a little concerned, I kind of felt. See yesterday, I was, I was a little concerned, I kind of felt. I felt, I felt helpless. I felt, I felt helpless. I was like, man, you know, no one's really gonna fight this fight for us, right. I was like, man, you know, no one's really gonna fight this fight for us, right. The people we elect into, you know, authoritative positions aren't really carrying the flame for us. The people we elect into, you know, authoritative positions aren't really carrying the flame for us. So, why not leave it to two companies that know more about us. So, why not leave it to two companies that know more about us. Than any other corporations on earth, Google and Netflix. Than any other corporations on earth, Google and Netflix. They are considering, I don't know how you should take that, but they're considering an all out PR blitz against the current FCC net neutrality proposal. They are considering, I don't know how you should take that, but they're considering an all out PR blitz against the current FCC net neutrality proposal. You might recall a similar, all out war on the soapa situation that happened a few years ago. You might recall a similar, all out war on the soapa situation that happened a few years ago. Apparently, big tech firms like Google, like Netflix, like Yahoo have kind of remained silent. Apparently, big tech firms like Google, like Netflix, like Yahoo have kind of remained silent. Little radio silent up until recently about what. Little radio silent up until recently about what. Proposals like FCC's Chairman Tom Wheeler have recently conveyed. Proposals like FCC's Chairman Tom Wheeler have recently conveyed. so, you know, look it's not, there's no real hard evidence that this is gonna happen. so, you know, look it's not, there's no real hard evidence that this is gonna happen. There's a lot of you know sorta murmuring go on that, that, that proposes that this is what's going to happen. There's a lot of you know sorta murmuring go on that, that, that proposes that this is what's going to happen. But look, there's a few people in Congress who get it. But look, there's a few people in Congress who get it. Mm. Mm. Who understand that the Internet should be the same for everyone in the same capac, in the same capacity as like, you know. Who understand that the Internet should be the same for everyone in the same capac, in the same capacity as like, you know. Not allowing other companies to get quicker access or deliver their content quicker than other companies. Not allowing other companies to get quicker access or deliver their content quicker than other companies. Tiered. Tiered. No tiered sort of thing. No tiered sort of thing. This is the Internet. This is the Internet. Is the wealth of human knowledge. Is the wealth of human knowledge. Whether some of it is somersault kissing and whether some of it is, you know, how to build a bomb. Whether some of it is somersault kissing and whether some of it is, you know, how to build a bomb. It's still the collective intelligence of the entire planet and none of that should be throttled or held back. It's still the collective intelligence of the entire planet and none of that should be throttled or held back. To every single person on earth, except the robots. To every single person on earth, except the robots. Right. Right. And Internet providers. And Internet providers. Right, but look. Right, but look. Cuz they're already doing it. Cuz they're already doing it. Well the, they, they, they're not though. Well the, they, they, they're not though. I mean, right now. I mean, right now. There's really not, some cases of throttling have, have come up but right now it seems like the pipe is, is wide open. There's really not, some cases of throttling have, have come up but right now it seems like the pipe is, is wide open. What is Time Warner's speed boost? What is Time Warner's speed boost? You know, when they advertise oh, you can pay $10 more and get supposedly faster internet. You know, when they advertise oh, you can pay $10 more and get supposedly faster internet. Does that mean that Time Warner is throttling everybody else that comes into it? Does that mean that Time Warner is throttling everybody else that comes into it? Well, they're capping, they're capping it. Well, they're capping, they're capping it. That is messed up. That is messed up. But they've always done that. But they've always done that. Yeah. Yeah. But that's always been the case. But that's always been the case. So I guess we're only happy with. So I guess we're only happy with. Well it's like. Well it's like. Them doing it. Them doing it. We want more cooks in the kitchen? We want more cooks in the kitchen? Well, the. Well, the. It's not about that. It's not about that. I'm not cool with that either. I'm not cool with that either. But that's, that's a, to me that's a. But that's, that's a, to me that's a. Just a different. Just a different. That's like you buy. That's like you buy. A $30,000 car, or you buy a $70,000 car. A $30,000 car, or you buy a $70,000 car. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. You're still allowed to go on the road, you're just gonna go way faster in that Corvette than you are the Prius. You're still allowed to go on the road, you're just gonna go way faster in that Corvette than you are the Prius. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Do you know what I mean? Do you know what I mean? I guess so. I guess so. It just, yeah. It just, yeah. I guess it just feels like shades of grey to me. I guess it just feels like shades of grey to me. But yes, I am, I am. But yes, I am, I am. You're not totally wrong. You're not totally wrong. I'm on the right side of that neutrality. I'm on the right side of that neutrality. Right, of course, so it, it'll be interesting to see what they do if they do do anything. Right, of course, so it, it'll be interesting to see what they do if they do do anything. It's in their best interest. It's in their best interest. I mean, it's a little, it's a little hypocritical for Netflix to sort of be involved in that neutrality since they've been having to work out these sort of shiesty deals with Comcast and with, you know, what's going to happen with Time Warner and Verizon about. I mean, it's a little, it's a little hypocritical for Netflix to sort of be involved in that neutrality since they've been having to work out these sort of shiesty deals with Comcast and with, you know, what's going to happen with Time Warner and Verizon about. You know having them pay more to, to have their services, go through uncompromised. You know having them pay more to, to have their services, go through uncompromised. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see how this plays out. We'll see how this plays out. But, it's good to know. But, it's good to know. And yesterday I felt terrible after like admitting that we're just weren't completely helpless with this whole thing. And yesterday I felt terrible after like admitting that we're just weren't completely helpless with this whole thing. But, there are a few people in congress that get it. But, there are a few people in congress that get it. And want to protect it. And want to protect it. But you know, maybe it will take something like Google. But you know, maybe it will take something like Google. I mean look, it took like between two furnace to get like ObomaCare over the ,over the hill, right? I mean look, it took like between two furnace to get like ObomaCare over the ,over the hill, right? Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Or it will help for them at least. Or it will help for them at least. So maybe this will be following the same sort of route. So maybe this will be following the same sort of route. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can definitely write your congressman, right? Yeah, you can definitely write your congressman, right? Get him on the right side. Get him on the right side. You can. You can. I don't know if that's actually worked for every. I don't know if that's actually worked for every. Yeah. Yeah. Like anybody would be, oh ****, that's all I had to do, was write him a letter. Like anybody would be, oh ****, that's all I had to do, was write him a letter. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I got my I got my new police station. And you know, I got my I got my new police station. More work for the interns. More work for the interns. I don't know. I don't know. There is something you can do. There is something you can do. What it is, we don't know yet. What it is, we don't know yet. Before we say goodbye for the day. Before we say goodbye for the day. I kind of like what's happening here, a little trend happening with some of our viewers. I kind of like what's happening here, a little trend happening with some of our viewers. They're like, writing in quick and dirty movie reviews. They're like, writing in quick and dirty movie reviews. Spoiler-free movie reviews. Spoiler-free movie reviews. The latest one we got. The latest one we got. Was from Andre, his quick and dirty review of Spiderman two. Was from Andre, his quick and dirty review of Spiderman two. Hey guys. Hey guys. I saw an advance screening of Spiderman two yesterday and I just wanted to give you some thoughts on it and also if you guys are planning on seeing it or not. I saw an advance screening of Spiderman two yesterday and I just wanted to give you some thoughts on it and also if you guys are planning on seeing it or not. I actually was gonna go to a screening last week, but I couldn't go. I actually was gonna go to a screening last week, but I couldn't go. I had to take care of some personal stuff. I had to take care of some personal stuff. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. But, Mark. But, Mark. Quin, and he liked it. Quin, and he liked it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. And we are not spoiling anything here don't worry. And we are not spoiling anything here don't worry. Although, can you really spoil a Spider-Man movie? Although, can you really spoil a Spider-Man movie? I mean, he's going to shoot stuff out of his arm. I mean, he's going to shoot stuff out of his arm. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. He's going to be like, standing cameo. He's going to be like, standing cameo. Right. Right. Right? Right? You're not worried about him dying. You're not worried about him dying. Exactly. Exactly. I thought the movie was horrible. I thought the movie was horrible. This movie basically retells the story of the first Spiderman with Tobey Maguire and Green Goblin but with Electro added in. This movie basically retells the story of the first Spiderman with Tobey Maguire and Green Goblin but with Electro added in. Like Jeff was saying about how Anchorman 2 made him mad and upset, this movie did that for me. Like Jeff was saying about how Anchorman 2 made him mad and upset, this movie did that for me. The villains reason for want to kill Spiderman was totally absurd. The villains reason for want to kill Spiderman was totally absurd. I mean, do they ever really have a good reason why they want to kill Spiderman? I mean, do they ever really have a good reason why they want to kill Spiderman? Is it ever really like,. Is it ever really like,. Found it and some truths. Found it and some truths. No, it's always, I want to take over the world, but you're in my way. No, it's always, I want to take over the world, but you're in my way. Right. Right. It's like that. It's like that. Or, I mean, every now and then, you got a villain who has a legitimate grudge against the protagonist. Or, I mean, every now and then, you got a villain who has a legitimate grudge against the protagonist. Where it's like, you're dad killed my dad. Where it's like, you're dad killed my dad. Or something like. Or something like. Yeah, Green Goblin I guess will do that. Yeah, Green Goblin I guess will do that. Yeah, I guess, but it's, like, yeah. Yeah, I guess, but it's, like, yeah. I guess that makes more sense than apparently what's happening in Spider-Man 2. He said also the love story is overplayed and stupid. I guess that makes more sense than apparently what's happening in Spider-Man 2. He said also the love story is overplayed and stupid. Aw. Aw. I have a feeling you'd be happier not seeing this movie, re-watching the first one. I have a feeling you'd be happier not seeing this movie, re-watching the first one. I don't know, man. I don't know, man. I kind of don't love those first Spider-Man movies. I kind of don't love those first Spider-Man movies. I kind of don't love Tobey Maguire's. I kind of don't love Tobey Maguire's. Spiderman at all. Spiderman at all. With any kind of Superhero movie, I will watch it. With any kind of Superhero movie, I will watch it. Like, I don't care what the reviews, I don't discount Andre's quick review. Like, I don't care what the reviews, I don't discount Andre's quick review. I believe that he didn't like it, but I feel like with Superhero movies, everyone's going to watch this, regardless of what the critics say. I believe that he didn't like it, but I feel like with Superhero movies, everyone's going to watch this, regardless of what the critics say. I think it will do okay, I think it will do okay, Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like the, the legacy of the story goes back long enough with the fans to, you know, even if they're gonna hate on it afterwards, they'll watch it. I mean, like the, the legacy of the story goes back long enough with the fans to, you know, even if they're gonna hate on it afterwards, they'll watch it. It's still too much too often. It's still too much too often. Too many [INAUDIBLE] movies? Too many [INAUDIBLE] movies? Too many spidermans. Too many spidermans. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. You gotta, you gotta let that dust settle before you crack open the vault again. You gotta, you gotta let that dust settle before you crack open the vault again. Yeah, too many, too many directors, too many actors playing the same character. Yeah, too many, too many directors, too many actors playing the same character. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] There's so many villains, why do they have to go back to Green Goblin? There's so many villains, why do they have to go back to Green Goblin? Exactly. Exactly. Who else is Spiderman, feud with? Who else is Spiderman, feud with? I was hoping that they would play more on like, the Venom movie. I was hoping that they would play more on like, the Venom movie. I don't know if that's still coming out as a side movie, a spinoff. I don't know if that's still coming out as a side movie, a spinoff. Oh, Venom, like as the star? Oh, Venom, like as the star? Maybe not with Toby. Maybe not with Toby. Yeah, not with, what's his name. Yeah, not with, what's his name. Topher Grace. Topher Grace. Topher Grace, I did not like him. Topher Grace, I did not like him. Not who I imagined in that role. Not who I imagined in that role. And Eddy Brock. And Eddy Brock. Yeah, Eddie Brock's supposed to be like a tough guy, Topher Grace the opposite. Yeah, Eddie Brock's supposed to be like a tough guy, Topher Grace the opposite. I accidentally saw the end of, he's in Spiderman 3 right? I accidentally saw the end of, he's in Spiderman 3 right? Yeah Yeah Saw the end of that, and like what it looked like Saw the end of that, and like what it looked like Yeah Yeah It's terrible It's terrible It doesn't hold up now does it, the CGI? It doesn't hold up now does it, the CGI? Terrible. Terrible. I don't know if I'm just bitter, I don't know if I'm just bitter, Yeah Yeah Or movies just look better now. Or movies just look better now. It's only been a few years. It's only been a few years. Man they do not age well. Man they do not age well. They are not like fine wine. They are not like fine wine. I gotta say though, superhero movies are a great way to connect with kids. I gotta say though, superhero movies are a great way to connect with kids. If you ever have to like, impress a kid, I'm always really thankful that superhero movies are still around. If you ever have to like, impress a kid, I'm always really thankful that superhero movies are still around. Cuz it sort of creates this like, common interest between you. Cuz it sort of creates this like, common interest between you. Sure. Sure. It's great, I loved it. It's great, I loved it. Like when we were in Singapore, we visited my, visited P&E's cousin's kids 2 and 5 years old Like when we were in Singapore, we visited my, visited P&E's cousin's kids 2 and 5 years old Yeah Yeah It's all they want to talk about It's all they want to talk about [UNKNOWN] avengers [UNKNOWN] avengers and they have no idea of what they're talking about but because on the total nerd-ing grew up with that stuff you're gonna have a conversation with a kid and they have no idea of what they're talking about but because on the total nerd-ing grew up with that stuff you're gonna have a conversation with a kid Yeah Yeah [LAUGH] it's great, so I'm sure a lot of fathers and anyone who's around kids a lot is really appreciative of those movies [LAUGH] it's great, so I'm sure a lot of fathers and anyone who's around kids a lot is really appreciative of those movies Right On Right On You have a little nephew right? You have a little nephew right? That. That. No, I have no nephews. No, I have no nephews. I have nieces. I have nieces. Oh, you have a niece. Oh, you have a niece. I can't relate to them with like Frozen and stuff like that. I can't relate to them with like Frozen and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Does it feel, I don't know. Does it feel, I don't know. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] [INAUDIBLE] movies and stuff. [INAUDIBLE] movies and stuff. I feel like little girls don't really like that. I feel like little girls don't really like that. Yeah. Yeah. They just want to talk to me about like. They just want to talk to me about like. You know Cinderella and Rapunzel and Sing a Frozen Song. You know Cinderella and Rapunzel and Sing a Frozen Song. The children can watch the same thing over and over and over. The children can watch the same thing over and over and over. Blows my mind. Blows my mind. Anyway feel free to send your quick and dirty spoiler free review the four oh four at cnet. Anyway feel free to send your quick and dirty spoiler free review the four oh four at cnet. Dot com. Dot com. You can also tweet us at the404. You can also tweet us at the404. Follow us on Reddit, Instagram, and Facebook as well. Follow us on Reddit, Instagram, and Facebook as well. We're back here tomorrow, we will finish up the week the right way. We're back here tomorrow, we will finish up the week the right way. Hope you're having a great day. Hope you're having a great day. Thanks for tuning in, we'll see you guys tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in, we'll see you guys tomorrow. I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Justin Yu. I'm Justin Yu. I'm Mario Nunez. I'm Mario Nunez. This has been The 404 Show, high tech, low brow. This has been The 404 Show, high tech, low brow. See you guys tomorrow. See you guys tomorrow. Peace out. Peace out. [MUSIC] [MUSIC]

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