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Ep. 1414: Where a podcast is just a story we tell ourselves
-It's Monday, January 27, 2014.
This is The 404 Show from CNET.
I'm Jeff Bakalar.
-I'm Justin Yu.
-I'm Mark Licea.
-What is up ladies and gentlemen?
Welcome to what's probably gonna be the first week of real shows we do in a very long time.
-This is the first full work week for me of 2014.
-Is it the same for you?
-I'm gonna go ahead and say yes.
-We have the good-- We have the best jobs in the world.
-I think we're doing okay for ourselves,--
-You know that.
What's going on?
-How are you?
-Kind of struggling a little bit right now, but--
-Yeah, I'm not doing too bad.
We're just gonna ask you a bunch of questions.
-I'm just trying to make sure that the person that talks is being shown up on the screen.
-A look like this is--
-as long as I have that in my brain, it will be okay, right?
-What is this like the 80th, 81st time you've done this?
No, I did it, but the last time--
-This is the third time, I think.
-This is the first time I'm doing it in the new studio, so--
-Look, I'll tell you
It's your first time in the new studio?
-This is my first time doing 404 in this new studio.
-Well, you're doing a bang-up job.
-Oh, thank you.
-Thank you for filling in for Mr. Ariel Nunez who is a little under the weather this morning.
We hope he returns and gets better very soon.
What I wanna bring up?
I wanna say thank you for doing that.
I wanna say hello to everyone.
And yeah, you're right, first week, look at us.
It's almost February.
-It's gonna be February this weekend, but hey, what-- what can you say?
-This is what it's like when you just live
the dream day in, day out.
-So, you watched a movie over the weekend.
I watched Wolf of Wall Street, which we can't talk about because you idiots haven't seen it yet for some reasons.
You know, it's totally on my list.
The problem with Wolf of Wall Street is that it's a three-hour thing.
-Three-hour movies change your day.
-I saw Blue Jasmine.
-What is that?
-You don't know what Blue Jasmine is?
The Woody Allen film.
-Oh, no, I don't see Woody Allen films.
-I forgot you're too cultured for that.
-It feels-- Yeah, yeah.
-I kind of love Blue Jasmine.
-I thought Blue Jasmine was excellent.
-I thought Cate Blanchett was--
-I thought Blue Jasmine was--
-his best movie since Match Point--
-It was great.
-and it was excellent.
Cate Blanchett deserves the Oscar.
She was spectacular.
-Even Dice man was--
-Didn't you think Sally Hawk-- Like, when you found out Sally Hawkins was also given an Oscar nod, weren't you happy for her 'cause I thought she was awesome?
-She was so good.
-Good for her.
No, I don't know if she deserved a nomination, but when-- you know, she's sort of like that guilty by
association thing going on with Cate Blanchett.
Dude, Cate Blanchett was ridiculous.
She played the character so well.
I don't wanna ruin any of it, but Andrew Dice-Clay is in the film also and he's freaking great too.
-Oh, it's based in San Francisco.
-I have to watch this movie.
This would be the first Woody Allen movie that I watch, though.
-It's not a typical Woody Allen film, but I think for his like current status, the way-- the way-- the author that he is now--
-is-- this is like pinnacle,
you know, golden era right now for Woody Allen in his 70s, like this is what he does best, for sure.
It's a great film.
So, a little-- Like, it's about a bunch of New York transplants--
-in San Francisco.
-Sounds good to me.
-Either way you slice it, go watch it.
It's nice and easy.
It's like 90 minutes, right?
-Do you love it, Mark?
-I thought it was great.
-I thought it was excellent.
-I thought like-- I mean, Alec Baldwin kind of plays the same--
But his hair was so good.
-It seems in the last like three-- I don't know, maybe, not even three years, much more than that.
I mean, she was great.
-She was great.
Everyone was great.
There's like cameos in it that I'm not gonna spoil that you're really gonna like, go see it.
I saw her.
-I know you guys spent a whole episode on it.
-It definitely leads into this first story that we're gonna bring up.
-But, you know, like I-- you know, I may-- I said my piece on Twitter about it, you know.
-I'm feeling okay.
-You liked it, though.
-I did enjoy it.
-Actually, I think that you're gonna like it.
-I enjoyed it, yeah.
-So, that's cool.
-Yeah, I did enjoy it.
-I enjoyed like pretty much everything about it.
-And look, anytime, you can film an entire movie using an Instagram filter, I say, "Hey, kudos to you.
You've accomplished something that not many people can do."
-No, but I really did enjoy it.
I thought it was a good film.
-I feel like, in retrospect, like immediately after watching the movie, I thought it was a lot more prolific than it actually is and that might be because of those filters.
It's the same effect.
-when you-- when you see something like that, which is kind of like, you know, super pastel
and, you know, slow-moving shots with Karen O's soundtrack in the background.
It's always gonna be a little bit emotional.
-Always like the yeah, yeah girl?
It's a little bit-- Yeah, it's a little heart wrenching.
But then, when you go back and think about some of the lines, it can become like cheesy.
-It's super cheesy.
-I think, at one point, a ukulele even had an appearance.
-There's-- I think there's multiple ukuleles.
-But I mean, I also think it's Spike Jonze doing commentary on, like, the current state of affairs with his wife.
-On his ex-wife.
And like I just think, you know, he is sort of like talking about, you know, our like obsessive culture with like--
-you know, stimulus obsession and even Instagram because it does look like an Instagram filter movie.
The whole thing has that look to it.
I don't wanna spend any more time when I know you guys really did a good bang-up job talking about it last week.
-Such a serious show.
-Did you guys see Spike Jonze's expect-- acceptance speech at the Golden Globes?
What did he say?
What did he say?
-So, he won for best director or best-- What did he win for?
-Oh, I think it was-- gees.
-And he accepted an award?
He was-- He was so, like-- like-- like just absolutely very nervous.
-Almost like couldn't really speak and he even gave a little disclaimer before he started talking and he was like, "I'm absolutely terrible at the speeches."
-You know, he was shaky.
He was kind of endearing.
-Oh, he won the Best Screenplay.
-That's pretty cool.
-All right, I think I know his films have won stuff before,
but I did not know that he won any major-- he-- I don't think he had won anything major up until this Golden Globe.
-I know Malkovich, I think, won for Best Screenplay, but that's a Charlie Kaufman thing.
-I think-- But anyway, you know, I really do like Mr. Spiegel.
That's his name, Adam Spiegel.
-And don't forget, like, he's behind like Jackass and Dickhouse, like that's his whole thing.
He used to do skateboarding videos, like--
-Yeah, that's right.
-all the girl videos.
he's also a pretty decent actor too.
He like-- He makes a lot of cameos--
-Yeah, for sure.
-in a bunch of recent movies.
-I don't really give anything away.
It sort of also leads us well into this first story which is what you mentioned earlier, Her, very relevant, I think that's why people connect with it so much is that we all sort of try to use Siri unproductively and it doesn't really work that well, but we're all looking forward to this in the near distant future where maybe it can help us organize our music folder or like our pictures folder.
Like, I mean,--
-I don't necessarily need it to
get jobs for me or--
-write a book for me.
-Or like make decisions without asking me.
-That's like my whole thing.
-To me, that's terrifying, and I mean, I'm sure we'll get to that point, but--
-I'm also sure like that will be something we can turn off.
-Or make commentary on what exists on the hard drive.
-Look at that.
-you have a bunch of like specific photos--
-a little upset.
-Let's not talk about that.
-Let's leave that to me.
But like, where Siri is at, what-- so, you know-- and we're talking about
Google acquiring DeepMind--
-which is an AI company based out of London.
-First, can you tell me like what DeepMind is responsible for, like what they work on, like why is Google buying them?
-DeepMind automatically sounds like Jerry Bruckheimer futurist company, doesn't it?
-That's just like the brand name of that company.
-It's like the-- It's like the company--
-Kind of creepy.
-I was gonna say it's like the company in like Charlie Kaufman movie--
-Yeah, yeah, like that.
-like Lacuna, was like the--
So, DeepMind, I had never heard of it before Google acquired it yesterday, but they bought it for $400 million.
It's a three-year-old company, super new.
There's really not a lot of details on what the company does.
CNET wrote about it today, about the acquisition.
They developed learning algorithms for things like games, lifestyle, applications, and e-commerce.
What that means?
I have no idea.
-So, super vague.
But what's really cool and it sort of goes along with the movie, with Her, is that Ray Kurzweil, the author of The Singularity,--
-and the whole-- you know, that whole concept actually works for this company as the director of engineering.
So, it's sort of his brainchild, I wanna say.
-Director of engineering, that's a little dubious of a title, I think.
-It's a-- I think-- I don't know.
It depends on the company, I guess.
Is he in the office everyday?
-I don't know.
-I don't know.
-Think-tanker, I guess.
-He's just sitting at home, rubbing his chin.
And he's just like, "Hey, you know, I came up with something.
-I'm gonna direct new engineers to this idea.
-Does this kind-- Does this kind of stuff scare you, though?
-I mean, that's kind of the headline here.
CNET doesn't really discuss it too much, but all across the internet, people are really, really worried just based on the fact that they-- Google has just been acquiring a bunch of different companies.
Late last year, they acquired a company called Boston Dynamics.
-We didn't get to talk about this too much 'cause we're on break and we're vacationing, but Boston Dynamics is a robotics
Company, a really big robotics company.
I think they make those like military running robots.
They make like--
-Those robots are--
-dogs that run.
-So, I wanted to show this video for people that are unfamiliar with it.
But this video came out in 2008.
-And Boston Robotics-- I'm sorry, Boston Dynamics came out with this robot called the BigDog.
-Kind of looks like--
-So, eight-- Does it have eight legs or just four?
-Four legs, but it looks like--
-It could gallop.
-two human beings--
-in a horse costume.
-You know, like the one on the back is the ass and kind of like hunched over and it trots.
-And it can like trot.
It can trot, yeah, yeah.
-So, look-- look at this.
Check this out.
This is what we're talking about here.
-The cool thing with this video, though--
-Is it cool?
Is it terrifying?
-It's, first of all, like-- It looks like an AT-AT.
-I think this was five years ago that Boston Dynamics was doing this.
So, the most impressive thing here is that it's traversing uneven terrain.
-And it's dancing at the same time.
-It does have sort of like a little like cha-cha-cha thing going on.
-Right, sort of jerky.
-Yeah, it's a little jerky.
It looks like-- It looks like a centaur costume I
saw at last year's Renaissance Faire.
-It looks like two-- It looks like two people, one walking backwards, one walking forward, moving a couch that they like-- it's like saddling.
-That's the best part of the video.
So, we just saw the guy-- one of the guys--
-Yeah, that's really cool.
-he kicks it over and--
-it regains its balance.
-I bet if he kicked him in the woods, it would fall over.
-It stumbles a little bit, flicks him off and continues walking.
-It rubs his chin at him.
So, yeah, it's going through snow.
It's traversing really--
-It's funny but also terrifying at the same time.
So, I understand like the big conclusions people jump to when they see that Google acquired Boston Dynamics and then they acquired DeepMind and like one plus two equals robots to take over the world.
-You should throw in Nest as well.
They also acquired Nest which is--
-Robots to take over the world and tell you when your house is on fire.
-I think the biggest thing-- I-- And I get it.
I understand like the paranoia that people have with Google and mind control and like people are just, you know, instantly thinking like, "Oh,
you know, it's over.
-Like, this is AI, this is the Matrix."
-This is AI.
So, this is what-- this is the next version of the Boston Dynamics robot.
-This is the WildCat which is the 2013 update.
-And this thing has a jet pack?
-It has-- That's the fan, I believe, to cool it down.
-It has the motor, and it's running a lot faster too.
-Oh, it seems that's just been jogging in place.
-It looks like an excited dog right now,--
-but wait 'til you see it take off.
-What do you mean take off, like off earth, or run?
-It runs 16 miles per hour.
-Yeah, 16 miles per hour.
-That's pretty fast actually.
-That's not its top speed.
It will-- It will get up to a faster gallop later on in the video, but--
-You don't get paranoid when you see something like this?
Do you wanna know why?
-Because it doesn't have guns on it?
-It doesn't have guns on it.
Could it hurt me?
Yeah, if I stood in front of it, but--
-Look how fast that thing is going.
-I'm not sure if it's moving.
Look at him go.
-Look, it's not-- To me, it's just like-- I think we give technology way too much credit.
-I mean, I think dogs and other pets are the only ones that have to worry about a robot like this 'cause this thing--
-kind of strikes me as more adorable
-Oh, look, it just turned around.
-I'm not gonna go and like--
-go after this thing and pet it.
-That's 'cause it doesn't have its further exterior put on it yet.
-Once it's got that--
-Yeah, once it's got that [unk]
-[unk] with the, you know--
-The big eyes.
-The big milky eyes.
-And the tongue sticking out.
-Oh, you're gonna love it.
-What the hell do I need a real dog for?
Well, that's fantastic.
-Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
-Again, nobody is scared--
-about the robot takeover.
-Speaking of dogs,
I have a link that I wanted to show you 'cause I don't know when Marty's birthday is.
-Do you know that for sure?
-You know, we don't know anything about him for sure.
-We don't know anything about him for sure.
-Like some-- Like people-- when we got him, they're like, "Yeah, he's three.
He could be seven."
-I don't know.
I don't know--
-You have no idea.
-We can exactly like cut him in half and count his rings.
-You know what they mean, though.
-You know how the birth certificate or anything like that, right?
-But it's a dog.
-Do they even issue those things?
-I don't even know.
Do you-- Do you know if they do that?
-I think like for dogs that are born under
normal circumstances, they do.
-But like a street dog, like my dog,--
-who's like been in the trenches, I don't know if they exactly have proper documentation of his existence.
-Well, whenever Marty's birthday is, I think you should buy this for him.
Check this out.
Did you see this online?
It's the original Jurassic Park velociraptor cage--
-Oh, my God.
-from the movie available on eBay right now.
-This is so cool.
This is by way of a company called
Theme Park Connection and they sell a lot of props.
-From old movies?
-This was the actual prop used in the first scene of the opening-- the opening scene to Jurassic Park.
-When they're bringing in that velociraptor.
-Yeah, where they're like-- I think, it's Muldoon who ends up going like, "Kill her!
-No, he'd go, "Shoot her!"
-So, it's funny 'cause I was-- it's up to 99-- it's almost $10,000 basically.
-Oh, it's $100,000.
When I looked at this over the weekend, it was at $10,500.
-So, it's gone up considerably.
-Someone really wants this,--
-either that or-- I think it's half that and half like way too many people are rich.
Like who--if that should--
-Or it's just all-fake bid.
Like, is that still a thing on eBay?
-Look, it comes with the actual prop velociraptor, too.
Well, they needed like some sort of blocking for that scene--
-before they brought in the real raptor.
-So cool, which was actually a human in a costume, right?
-I'll take your word for it.
-I'm pretty sure, yeah.
-I mean it was what, 1993?
I'm pretty sure that was a human in a costume.
-There was a considerable amount of CG in Jurassic Park,--
-you know, when given the time, but--
-a lot of puppets too.
The T-Rex actually had 30 men inside of it, all-- all in like cheerleader formation,--
-perched on top of each other's shoulders, I think.
-But this velociraptor thing is really cool.
You can buy this or the same company is also selling The Lost World mobile
-Oh, do you mean the film that everyone hated and no one gave a crap about?
-I mean, so--
-This one's only going for 8 grand.
But I think it's pretty fine.
It shows how much people hate that movie.
-Not as cool.
Not as cool.
But it does look pretty cool, though.
I mean, it kind of strikes me as the perfect place to go for Zombie Apocalypse.
-To bring this all back, so you're proposing I put my 35-pound dog in a velociraptor cage?
I think it's a beast, man.
-No, that's not traumatizing.
Like, he hasn't been through enough.
-Yeah, put him in a rusty--
-Put him in a
-cage with the velociraptor inside of it.
Just brimming with disease and stink.
You're a true-- true humanitarian.
-That doesn't look scary.
That look more-- It looks more like a 6-foot turkey.
-You heard that in the-- That was-- the best part of that first movie--
-is that obnoxious little kid--
-who claims that this thing isn't that scary.
-Shoot the gun in his head would afflict that lawyer--
-or his belly slashed open.
-Little kid, that's nice.
Anyway, going bit on that, I thought it was pretty cool 'cause, you know, how much we all love Jurassic Park.
-Spare no expense, man.
-What else do you want?
Do you wanna talk about movies while we're already on the subject?
-So, is it true-- I've heard this dirty little rumor about you that I kind of wanna bring up on the show.
-Where did you hear this?
-In a little place called dontworryaboutit.com.
I heard that you are not really a big fan of Netflix, not just that you use it but begrudgingly--
-you don't use
-Well, so, I guarantee you-- how much is Netflix a month just for web?
-It's like $5.
So, that's 60 bucks a year.
I'm paying $60 a year to watch like a season of Arrested Development a year.
That's the only good thing that's on Netflix.
-[unk] I'm just saying like that's all I watch, like I don't-- Netflix is nowhere near my go-to media consumption portal.
-That would be BitTorrent.com.
I'm just saying, like I watch-- TV is my primary and DVR is my
primary source of content.
-Okay, right, you still have [unk]
-And then after that, it's like HBO GO and then-- and then Amazon and then maybe Netflix--
-is like top 10.
-Do you know what Netflix is?
It's different from regular TV.
-Oh, I'm very much aware of what Netflix is.
-You don't have to be there at a certain time to watch something on Netflix.
-I'm totally aware.
Most of my TV watching is DVR, so I'm aware of play shifting.
I was looking at it, yeah.
-Well, Netflix is pretty cool.
There's a lot of movies on there.
Mark, I'm assuming you really love Netflix as much as everybody else in this world.
-I occasionally dabble, but I feel like they have the same stuff.
You know, every time I go on to the menu, it's the exact same stuff.
-It doesn't seem like they refresh it all that often.
I mean, I'm completely in--
-But that's kind of the same with Hulu and-- I mean, I guess HBO GO has a lot more turnover, but--
-Netflix not so much.
-All I hear is stories that Netflix is losing something else.
-Losing something else?
-I think like they're always losing more content and people are pissed off of that.
-Well, they refresh the content and then they remove stuff at the same time too.
-They add and remove.
-I mean, I agree with you, though, Mark.
I complain about the same kind of thing.
I feel like, around this time of the year, when it gets really cold outside, I just stay indoors and just watch everything on Netflix and I just complain about nothing ever gets updated.
That is frustrating.
-So, you think you've like reached the end of Netflix?
I think I've like finished--
-You hit the wall?
-I, like, reached the Truman show of Netflix.
You're like, "Huh?
This isn't sky?
The end of the world." But recently, I found out through Business Insider that there's a hack.
Did you know that it-- You know, did you know that, according to where you are in this world, Netflix will actually show you a different set of movies--
-Well, because of the library.
-which I think is really cool.
It's location specific.
-depending on where you are.
-Is that because the library is different?
-It's because of copyright issues--
-and licensing issues and things like that.
-But they got it in Canada, but not the Netherlands or something.
So, I learn this today, little Life Hack.
If you download an app called Hola, H-O-L-A, it's just--
-Hola-- it's a
free browser extension that basically lets your computer act as a VPN, so it sort of spoofs Netflix into thinking--
-that you're living somewhere else, which then opens up a huge library of movies and television shows that you can watch.
-How long until doing this is illegal?
-I don't think it's illegal right now.
-Well, so, Business Insider is openly linking to it--
-which, as far as I'm concerned, is an indirect endorsement.
-It's not illegal when you took--
-Like you're not going to jail for it.
-Put it this way, when we click on Hola
in CBS, once you click on it and show what the screen pops up.
-Okay, hold on one second.
-So, you were behind the CBS--
-firewall right now.
-Yeah, here it is.
-firewall right now.
And there you go, whole Big Nothing.
-Well, CBS is a little bit-- yeah.
They're a little a bit trigger happy.
-Changing the subject.
Yes, CBS is little--
-Changing the subject.
-trigger happy when it comes to--
-Changing the subject.
-what they borrow from us.
But-- I mean, clearly, like there's been some dispute over--
-the last couple of years.
-And it definitely violates the terms of service.
-that means anything to you,
then maybe don't do it,--
-I think you can put the--
-the puzzle pieces together and formulate what you could get out of using something.
-Right, it is.
-I think the problem is that, depending on where you are, it's completely different.
-So, you have to kind of experiment with--
-going to different places in this world and see what they offer.
-Does Hola allow you to, you know, declare what region you're coming from.
-I think so.
Yeah, you can like drop a pin and say, "I'm here now."
-I wanna be in Denmark.
-Which is kind of cool.
-I respect that.
-And through researching the story, I also
found out that you can get cheaper plane tickets, sometimes even Amazon items online just by changing your IP address or turning off your like cookies or using something like this just to make it seem like you're somewhere else because of something called dynamic pricing.
-I get it.
-Kind of crazy, right?
-I didn't realize that retailers changed the price based on location.
-It's a wacky world we live in.
-I don't know.
You know, if the minimum wage is a little bit higher, maybe, they'll charge more.
-It's kind of messed up.
-It's messed up and awesome, I think.
-There's also a rumor going around that Orbitz does this and charges you more if they see that you're using a Mac to browse their website because they assume that if you can afford--
-That was an old story.
-if you can afford Apple products, maybe you can pay a little more for a plane ticket.
-Or you're not-- you're willing to be like less shocked when you see the price or something, you sort of--
I mean, I believe that.
-But like it's super slimy, but--
-it's-- it's-- you know, it's capitalism at its finest, right?
-You could probably do the same thing for smartphones, right?
If you're browsing on a mobile site, maybe, they know
you can afford a smartphone that can do mobile browsing.
-To those who can afford.
-If you're overpaying for your mobile device which, if you live in America, you most-- almost certainly are,--
-It's all conspiracy, man.
-It is, man.
Too many Keanu Reeves role moments we're having right now.
Do you guys watch anything cool lately on Netflix or Hulu or anything like that?
-Like, I said, yeah, I'm not.
Like I said, I just don't.
-You just don't.
-What about you, Mark?
What are you binging on now?
-Let's see, the last-- When I watched the Golden Globes,
I know Elisabeth Moss, she won for Best Actress for Top of the Lake and I remember seeing that on Netflix.
-I was like, "Oh, I'm not in the mood to watch it."
-Top of the Lake?
-Top of the Lake.
It was a BBC movie that came out.
-And so, after that, I was like, "Oh, maybe, I'll check it out." And so, I watched that maybe two weeks ago, but before that, it had been-- Well, obviously, it was the holidays, so Christmas stuff going on, right?
I mean, before that, maybe like three months, four months before I dabbled with Netflix and I think it was Skyfall before that 'cause I didn't-- I didn't see Skyfall until it was on Netflix.
-Oh, Bond movie.
So, I know everyone won't shut up about Orange is the New Black--
-and then I think House of Cards is coming back.
-Downtown Abbey is back now.
But that's not a Netflix--
-No, no, no.
Not a Netflix specific.
-So, okay, yeah.
I mean, I'll watch Orange is the New Black event.
I think I will.
To me, like-- and it sucks because I want Netflix and I know they win like Emmy's.
They won stuff already, right?
-House of Cards.
-it's just like I just don't-- I put it in
the same category, but the accessibility is still like a little bit of a hurdle.
-It-- It should-- It's not.
Like, it's just-- For me, it's like consisting of like hitting one more button, but--
-you know, it-- but that's a hurdle and it sounds crazy.
And it is crazy.
But, for me, it's just like I'm using my cable remote.
-I want Netflix to be like a channel on my cable box.
-But they do have like 30 different boxes connected to your TV--
-that can all access--
-Oh, yeah, they all concatenate.
-Netflix, like Xbox--
like every console I have.
You know, it's like--
-That one is easier.
-built into my TV too.
-I don't feel bad for you.
-No, I'm not gonna blame you.
-I'm pretty sure it's voice activated too.
You could save and watch Netflix.
-It probably is.
Look, you know, I don't know.
I just-- I just-- Maybe--
-Maybe, it's not that.
Maybe, it's just like I just don't have time to hit everything up.
-There's some good stuff on there.
That's what I hear, man.
-I think you're just-- you're just never really in the mood--
-to watch anything.
-You know, like, you see all these movies that aren't necessarily blockbuster movies--
-and then the blockbuster ones you've already seen and so you're like,
"I'm not in the mood to watch this random BBC masterpiece sort of stuff.
You're not wrong.
It has a lot--
-Those BBC documentaries are really good, though.
I watch Inside Chipotle the other day.
-Very good stuff.
-You still wanna eat Chipotle after?
-You know what, surprisingly, spoiler alert, I didn't wanna give this up too early, but--
-Chipotle not owned by McDonald's anymore.
-Not anymore, yeah.
I didn't realize that.
I think every time you bring up Chipotle, everyone kind of cringes and they're like, "Oh, no.
It's owned by McDonald's."
-Well, they cringe 'cause it's trash.
-No, it's not trash.
-It's just-- It's just that I don't think it's good food.
-I think a lot of people would disagree with you.
-No, they would.
-They have fresh ingredients.
-Yeah, I don't like it.
You don't like it.
-I don't like the cilantro.
-What's wrong with the cilantro?
-Your voice, man.
I'm like an anti-cilantro guy.
-It's also white rice too, which is a little bit weird, but I like the corn salsa, regardless, I didn't realize it's not as disgusting as everyone makes it out to be.
-Oh, I don't think it's disgusting.
-McDonald's is definitely disgusting.
But I don't think it's disgusting.
I just don't think it's like--
-It's not authentic Mexican food.
-I'm trying to have like Mexican food, you know.
-Anyway, all right.
So, good advice.
Go check out some BBC documentaries.
Go watch Orange is the New Black.
-And all Mark could bring to the table was Skyfall.
-And Top of the Lake.
-Top of the Lake.
-Top of the Lake.
-Top of the Lake.
-Top of the Lake.
-How could you be at the top of the lake?
Does this make sense?
-I watched this documentary called Somm the other day on Netflix.
-It's about sommeliers which are basically just wine experts.
-Oh, I thought it was people from Somalia.
I think it would be that.
-Easy mistake, one M and it sort of looks like an R.
-No, it's like--
-Is it just like a fancy way of saying Somalians?
-Yeah, they're from like the rich part of Somalia.
-Sure, that's not the first time someone's made that mistake.
-Somm, it's really good, though.
So, do you remember that scene in Napoleon Dynamite where he goes to that competition, the milk drinking
-Yeah, of course.
-that he has to sort of predict.
-This would taste like the cow got into an onion patch.
This is base-- That's basically making fun of this Master Somm test--
-and the documentary follows four
wine aficionados as they try to become master sommeliers and they have to do the same thing.
-What a miserable existence that these people live.
-Well, they have to-- Yeah, it's crazy.
They have to memorize thousands of different vineyard locations--
-and they have to do a taste test where they-- you know, they basically need to pinpoint where on a map of the globe this wine came from.
-I know you drink wine.
-I don't drink wine which is why this documentary is so good.
It, like, actually brought me in despite the fact I don't care about the subject.
-I put wine in the same category as diamonds--
-where it's like
inflated value, artificial value.
-Yeah, it's like people that obsess over coffee.
It's just like, "Okay.
I don't really care." Like, once it gets past 7/11 quality coffee, I'm happy, you know.
-So, why would you watch-- why would you watch a documentary on something that you already don't have an interest in?
-Was it-- Was it--
-It sounds crazy.
-And not [unk]
-Oh, yes, who could have done that.
-Yeah, which I'm way more interested.
-Well, because it's not really about the wine.
It's more about these four guys--
-who have to study and they become really good friends as a result.
-And I think
part of watching a documentary is learning about stuff too,--
Obviously so, not knowing dick about wine.
-Now, I know.
-Now, you know, like a little--
-Slightly more than [unk]
-So, it wasn't necessary that you like heard something about it--
-and-- Okay, so you heard something about it.
Wasn't that you were just flipping through and then finally settled with.
-Yeah, it was-- it was a recommendation.
[unk] but it was good.
You guys should go watch it.
-if you're bored.
-No, my-- Look, my wife loves wine.
The second I tell her about it, she'll be all over it.
Let's watch this.
This is a video
about-- of a-- of a reaction of an eSports competitor.
-Explain what eSports is to people that have lives.
-So-- I mean, I feel like our demographic knows what this is.
eSports is competitive video gaming in a nutshell, and obviously, with the recent video of Mr. Sherman on-- at the Niners game--
-Which I watched after that episode.
-People-- There was a whole uproar over this guy, his reaction which
was blown way out of proportion.
-And you know, everyone was like, "Oh, these athletes are so heated," and you'd look at-- you know, historically, I feel like gamers or competitive gamers may have gotten the reputation that they're just like nerds in your mom's basement who don't get heated over anything.
I think this YouTube video would explain the opposite of that.
So, let's watch this real quick and then maybe talk about what we just witnessed.
So, Justin, if you-- if you please, just a little bit of nasty language in the beginning.
-Maybe turn your volume down--
-Yeah, maybe, if he's gonna scream and sound like a small defenseless animal, but let's-- let's play it nonetheless.
-[unk] Let's go!
It's gonna be [unk]
-Oh, my God.
I feel bad.
-Gonna get [unk].
-Get off, get off.
I said get off!
I said get off!
-Let's go, baby.
-You can't beat me nuts.
You'll never beat me ever, never beat me.
-All right, all right.
-Okay, so that was--
-Some serious neck vein going on there.
-Some neck veins.
Some heated words were exchanged.
Oh, not really.
It's a one-way street, I think.
-So, for me,
the first thing I think of when I-- when I-- after I watched this video is that I think, maybe, that kind of trash-talk should be reserved for like contact sports.
-I mean, I hadn't even-- I couldn't even hear what he was saying.
Do we know what game that he was playing?
It looked like a first-person shooter.
-Man, he freaked out.
-So, like, here's the thing.
He's screaming and yelling at the people he's beating, right?
You wanna get heated?
I'm not taking anything away from the fact that this guy is probably a talented gamer.
Even if he isn't, it doesn't matter.
He's just heated.
He's in the moment.
He should be allowed to do that, but don't freakin' stand there and yell at someone and not expect that eventually-- eventually, someone is not gonna be happy and just take it and maybe climb over the table and just kick you in the face.
-Because if it was me getting that, like I would not allow someone to scream at me like that.
I would just not allow it.
-I don't you would get
violent with him because you're not that type of person.
-I would-- I would--
-You would probably laugh at him just like everybody else was.
-Yeah, but like if it went on and like if I started yelling back and he was like just not giving [unk]
-He'd probably be equally frustrated to you 'cause he lost.
-I would-- Like, in hockey, like I would get up and I would just be like, "Look, you won.
If you continue to do this, we're gonna have like real-life problems instead of video game problems."
-See, it's people like you that make things into reality.
-Time out, like don't-- like someone back me up here.
How long can you take--
-You think you'd beat
this guy up?
-I didn't say I would beat him up, but I might smack him in the face.
Like, think about it--
-That's-- That's not cool.
I mean, it like turns from like a joke into like--
-Well, I think--
-like weird [unk] reaction.
-But think about it dude, if someone's screaming in your face--
-Yeah, he-- It wasn't in their face.
-are you supposed to just sit there and be like--
-That's not what I got out of this video.
-and just be like--
-I feel like it was funny.
-What do you think, Mark?
-Well, I guess--
-if that was ongoing and if he was a little bit more on my face, I mean, I guess they were across the table, but I might like, at the most, maybe,
take a water bottle and sort of like spray him in the face--
-There you go.
-Why don't you cool down?
-Why don't you cool down?
-Yeah, cool off, cool off.
-I mean, you could-- even at one point, like, you could tell like the judge behind him, I don't know what he says to him,--
-but he might--
-But he puts a hand on his shoulder.
-It almost looks like he says like, "Relax there, Gerald."
-Like, you know, "Come on.
Let's just remain classy and professional here."
-As much as you could like a pro eSports.
-Like, okay-- Like any other sport if we're just clumping sports in the same category, like you know what would happen--
It doesn't matter.
Like you just can't-- Like, you can't do that to people.
You can't scream in someone's face for what seemed like an entire match and not expect any freakin' retribution, man,--
-like, it just wouldn't happen.
And this poor kid who he's yelling at is just sort of like sitting there, being like, "Oh, my God, I'm not very good at this game." I don't-- You know, I don't know.
And I'm not a violent person by nature, but like, come on, he is the aggress-- he's the aggressor, is he not?
Yeah, I don't know.
Like, we should kill him.
-Oh, we shouldn't kill him--
-[unk] Yeah, I don't know.
-[unk] his arms maybe.
I don't know.
-Yeah, that's why I think, you know, that's-- anyway, that's how I feel.
I thought it was funny.
-A little water in the face wouldn't hurt anyone, right?
It might electrocute him.
-At the most violent, maybe a little water in the face, just like a little squirt on.
That would be awesome.
-You know, like when a puppy misbehaves, you squirt her face.
-You brought your squirt.
I don't understand.
-Well, maybe, like the next round, like the guy
who's watching this that knows he's gonna come up against him, maybe, just, you know, get a super [unk] or just like maybe like pull out his mouse or something.
You know, like, pull out the wire that would be--
-Something like that would be [unk]
-would probably a little more awesome.
-Someone's chest is beating here.
-Yes, there's a lot of that.
There's a lot of that.
It's kind of-- It's wacky.
It's a little wacky to do.
But hey, who says eSports competitions are not heated?
-No one now.
Are you kidding me?
But yeah, I'm sorry, like I deserve it.
It's like a bob on the head, maybe a little bit.
Is that it?
Are we done?
-I think so.
866-404-CNET, that's our phone number.
Again, not too many voicemails getting played these days because we gotta fix a few technical limitations we have in the studio.
Best way to-- to get in touch with us is e-mail.
And you know what?
Let me read an e-mail real quick.
Can we do that?
Can you put, throw the music back off for a second?
I wanna read a few e-mails.
-We just got this one before the show started.
I feel bad.
We're telling everyone to e-mail us, no one's-- and we're not reading any.
People who are e-mailing are not reading us.
Anyway, I wanna talk about Nevada-- Nevada.
-This is from-- I lost the name.
Nevertheless, it's from a Nevadian-- Nevadian.
How would you call that?
You're from Nevada, what was it?
-I don't know.
Whoever-- Whoever wrote in to complain is probably gonna say that I'm wrong anyway.
-So, Mark is a native of the great state of Nevada.
-I moved there when I was eight, and I grew up in Vegas from age eight to 18.
So, I [unk]
-How do you say the name of your state?
It's from Eric H., by the way.
How do you say the name of your state?
-I say Nevada.
-You say Nevada?
-That's what he is preaching too.
He says-- This is direct from Eric, he says, "Jeff, I noticed you mispronounced Nev--," What is it?
-You said Nevada.
-Yeah, I say Nevada.
-I don't think it's the
end of the world, potatoes, potato.
-"I noticed you mispronounced Nevada-- Nevada.
Every time you say it, just a heads up, it's Nevada, not Nevada.
By the way, you should give Reno another chance.
I lived here all my life and we're not as sad as you make us out to be.
The city is usually packed most holiday weekends.
I mean, that's something.
I guess, you just got lucky." I'm sorry I talked crap on your-- on your town, but I will, from here on out, say the correct
I can't do it.
-You say-- You say Oregon weird too.
I think that's an east coast thing.
-I fixed that to Oregon.
-But east coasters all say it Oregon.
-It's like water.
-You know, water, chocolate, schedule-- We say schedule here.
-I say drawer.
-Like, open that drawer and give me my socks.
-I like that, though.
-You do like that?
It's Oregon, right?
Kylie writes in.
We're talking about this last week, people who preface sentences with "to be honest" or "I'm not gonna lie"--
-or "no offense." Kylie writes, "I hate it when someone makes a huge broad insult like, 'everyone at the school is an idiot,' and they think saying something like, 'It's okay because I go to the school makes it okay,' or broad generalizations like that."
-Look, that's just the way it works, right?
That's just the way
-That's not going anywhere.
-I don't like generalizations either.
I'm with you, Kylie.
Like I love to say like, "Most people are inherently stupid, right?" I guess it's like a--
-Did you say [unk]?
-That's a gross generalization.
-Probably true, right?
-I don't know.
-Shrugging your shoulders ain't gonna get you out of this one.
-Yeah, it's not good radio.
No, I don't know, whatever.
Yeah, sure, everyone's stupid.
-You know, who's not stupid?
You guys 'cause you're tuning into The 404.
Thanks for doing that.
Keep the e-mails coming, firstname.lastname@example.org.
A big thank you to Mr. Mark Licea--
-filling in for Ariel.
If Ariel is feeling a little better tomorrow, he'll be back.
If not, maybe, Mark again if we're so lucky.
That's gonna do it for us.
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Subscribe to the Subreddit and get involved with the conversation online, tell us what you think about the show, what you love, what you hate, and we write back, we'll let you know, we stay up on that.
-That's gonna do it for us.
We might have some information about some guests coming up tomorrow, so make sure you tune in then.
Until then, I'm Jeff Bakalar.
-I'm Justin Yu.
-I'm Mark Licea.
-This has been The 404 Show, high tech, low brow.
Have a fantastic Monday.
We'll see you right here tomorrow, later.