What's up everybody?
It's Monday, August 26th, 2013.
This is The 404 Show on CNET.
I'm Jeff Bakalar.
-And I'm Justin Yu.
-I'm Richard Peterson.
-Hey, I'm back.
You look a little bit darker.
I can see that-- actually you look more red.
Well, that's obviously the case--
-'cause I don't get dark.
-Are you burned or is this just like your normal body?
-You wanna see something gnarly?
Are you gonna take your shirt off?
-I would take my shirt off.
Just not-- I'm not that hideous without a shirt.
Look at that.
You see that?
-So why is it just a line?
-Jeff just pulled up his right shirt sleeve and you have a pretty bad sunburn and it's also peeling like crazy.
-I look like a-- like some sort of--
-Like a Salamander.
-What is wrong with you?
Let me see that again.
-How gnarly is that?
I don't understand.
Were you wearing like a wife beater or something?
-Why is there one line down here?
-So here's the deal.
Well, I obviously--
-He's just doing the play with sunscreen incorrectly.
-Just thinking about it now is like so depressing.
So I was in Aruba for 7 days, and the first day I get there, I-- you know.
If you ever been to Aruba, you know that the beach, where the ocean meets the shore is very tranquil.
There's no waves.
Only waves on one side of the island.
I was on the west side.
on the Northwest side of the island, I think.
Anyway, it's very tranquil.
It's very like a, you know, smooth.
-You could go out on the water just laying a raft and you're done.
There was like a little closed in area.
-So in my haze to get out there, I did a real banged-up job with the spray lotion thing and mind you, Aruba is like only a few miles away from the equator,
which is the hottest, which is where the sun hits the earth first.
-As you all know what the equator is.
And my frail pale little body was not equipped for that kind of sun exposure.
-And in my great haze to get into the water and join my friends, I just-- I guess I just did like a, you know, like a quick, you know, like an Axe body spray style over my bare chest.
-And I think what happened was-- 'cause I did do a decent
job of covering myself.
Number one, I didn't-- I should have rubbed it in more.
I didn't do that enough.
-And I think a lot of it collected like in my chest hair.
It doesn't that gross, okay?
Get into the water, guess what happens?
-It washes off.
-'Cause it's in my hair.
-So I basically had this upside down hue.
Belly to like-- nipple to nipple across my shoulders, it was bad man.
I couldn't lift my
arms for like 3 days.
-It was bad.
It didn't like bubble up and get on nasty.
-But it got like right to that point and then stopped.
-I feel like you should know by now that what the proper techniques as to apply sun tan lotion.
It's so much easier said than done.
-But nowhere else did I get burnt?
-You didn't get a burn on your back?
-Can someone rubbed in your back?
-No one, no I didn't get burned anywhere else.
I got some color on my face.
-I didn't get burned though.
It was bad.
And the crazy-- I haven't been sunburn like this in probably like 15 years.
-The craziest part is like I-- you forget all the terrible things that happen when you get sunburn like you feel cold for no reason.
-It's the stages.
-And in Aruba, you know, it's like 90 degrees outside and everywhere inside is 62 degrees.
So the second I was like walk in from being outside, I felt like I had a fever.
It was pretty wacked out.
It's pretty intense.
-I hate summer.
-So do I. I hate being as pale as I am.
I really do.
If there was like a pill I could
take every day to change the pigmentation in my skin, I'd freaking take it.
Nay, I would take 4 pills a day.
I would get surgery.
I would do whatever I had to do to stop this.
-So what are you doing to get rid of the sunburn?
A lot of people do like aloe--
So that's what it is.
So I brought some--
-Yogurt-- I heard-- actually I heard a Life Hack, and that was pretty good like yogurt works pretty well too or just put in baking soda all over your body.
-I don't know about the baking soda.
-I heard oatmeal too.
-Yeah, oatmeal bath.
-Well, none of these were accessible to me.
So I bought something called Aloe Ice.
It definitely worked.
I'm fine now, like doing this, rubbing my shoulder a week ago, I would have cried.
-And now you're itchy, right?
-I'm itchy like hell.
-Itching like crazy.
-But anyway, that I don't want to spend too much time on my idiot sunburn 'cause I am an idiot.
I should have done a better job of fixing that.
-Man, you know, you have so many "what ifs" when this happens, you were like-- what if I-- did that?
I'm not gonna get in to that.
-But it sounds like the vacation was made worth it
-And then you probably do a lot of fun stuff while you're getting burned at the same time.
-Well, I mean in Aruba, there's really not a lot going on there.
Have you-- you never been there?
-No, I never been.
-There's really-- I mean, it's a small-- it's a super small.
It's tropical, right?
Hang out at the beach.
-It's just-- yeah, I mean for whatever reason.
They have really great food.
-And I don't understand that because that place is not furdle at all, like you cactus cacti grove there.
-So there's no like free range chicken and meat and I guess obviously fish is
-But it's weird like, we were eating real well every night.
It was fun.
I really did enjoy myself.
I don't again, you know, we're on the beach every day and after-- it's so damn hot.
It's so-- and it's humid.
-Was it like in the hundreds?
-No, it was like 90 every day.
-Okay, that's not worst than New York.
The best thing-- no, I mean, it's way cooler here than it is down there.
-The coolest thing is the breeze.
There's-- the trade winds.
-There's always-- I'm not joking, like an
intense breeze 24/7, which is magical.
Why that whole island is empowered solely by windmills?
I had no idea.
-Like that place is prime.
You would never need any sort of power plant.
You just put one little wooden mill up.
I saw a few like turbines.
-But man that's a breezy freaking place.
It was cool, and they have-- what the hell do they call it when they turn salt water into natural drinking water?
Disilation, something like that?
They got the-- very good.
-Two claps for--
-You're smarter than a 5th grade.
-I'm pretty sure, yeah.
-They are like the best desalination country in the world--
-from what I hear or island or location-- whatever you wanna call it.
-They probably don't have a lot of natural water source.
Of course, 'cause it never rains.
-And it's freaking arid.
It's not arid.
It's actually really moist.
It's just super hot and it desert-like and there's no water so they turn all the ocean water into water.
-This is the future man.
Once that cheap ins and like we figure out how to do that everywhere, we will not free but just ready-access to fresh drinking water.
-Yeah, we gotta get on that.
-We gotta get on that.
-Before you left, you were talking about maybe going on a little skydiving adventure.
Your friends did 'cause I saw Stacie updated her cover photo and she posted all kinds of pictures of it-- you
were missing-- you were missing from all of those photos.
-That's the only reason they did that just so that they can get really cool Facebook photos.
-I didn't do it.
I didn't do it.
And one of my Dad's friend, one of my parents' friends who is 67 did it and I didn't do it.
-Don't smile Richard.
No I still, even now, seeing other like cool videos and whatever.
-I don't know man.
I just didn't want to do it.
-I guess if you really wanted to do, you would have.
But there's no reason to do it if you have no desire to it.
It's like putting your life in danger for no reason.
-I just-- well it's not.
I mean, it's--
-Are you that dangerous?
-It's not dangerous.
-It's not dangerous.
But if you get scared easily, there's no--
-point of doing it.
-My brother was talking to the guy running the show and he said, "Has anyone ever freaked out?"
-He said, "One guy." They'd been doing it for like 7 years.
One dude freaked out.
-So you clearly like when you want to do it, you do it.
And when you don't want to do it you either--
-You will say, "Hush."
-freak out on the plane or you just decided not to do it, and
that was me man.
I don't know.
I wish I wanted to.
I really did.
-I wish like I wanted to do it.
But I just-- I don't know.
I didn't have a big desire to do it.
-From an economical standpoint too, it could be a little longer, right?
Like you pay like 150 or 200 bucks.
-And you probably owning the air for maybe--
-I think you free fall for like 35 seconds.
And then you're up in the air for 10 more minutes and you're done.
-And we didn't know how high it was.
It's 10th-- it's like roughly 10,000 feet.
-Okay, right, right.
-It was just like 2 miles above there.
-So did everyone enjoy it-- everyone else that did it?
-Yeah, I mean they loved
it-- my brother's video.
I watched his video.
He was just like cursing the whole time.
-'Cause what else do you do when you're falling out of the plane?
-You just say M or F for 38 times in a row.
-And you fall and then the parachute opens and you sorta just glide.
You know what I wanna do?
-I wanna go hang gliding.
I wanna do that.
I don't wanna jump out of a plane, I wanna go hang gliding 'cause I wanna feel like Batman.
-Wow, look at those pictures of Stacie.
This is incredible, by the way.
-See each others?
It's a cool one.
-That's so cool.
And most of the shots I see if people is skydiving are really unflattering because their faces flapping in the wind.
-It looked like a toon character but-- it's pretty good here.
-Somehow looks photogenic falling out of a plane.
-The best is that you could see the plane right in the background.
-Yeah, that's pretty cool.
And then the sun is in the background of the plane too.
-So, apparently these guys had GoPro is attached to their wrist.
-But my buddy Seth was pretty critical over how their operation worked.
-'Cause they said they could have use some more updated stuff.
-Did you bring
your own GoPro, 'cause we have one for 404.
I brought a GoPro.
We do a lot of like underwater footage stuff, which is really cool.
-Did a little snorkeling, which another thing I'm not that into.
Just because-- have you gone snorkeling?
-I need a snorkel where I could breathe out of my nose.
There's something very restricting and I'm claustrophobic.
-I don't know what-- I can't just breathe in and out through my mouth, right?
-That's like, you know what I mean?
-I've never gone snorkeling before.
It's the most uncomfortable feeling ever.
-Yeah, it is.
-I've only been like 3 times.
-You have to get used to it.
-And then you breathe wrong and water comes down the tube and--
-You breathe-- and then not only that like, when a wave comes and you get a mouthful of water?
-Salt water filled with fish piss and--
-It's terrible man.
And again we have the Jeff and the ocean fear.
Even in the daylight, it's still pretty terrifying.
-And the first stop on the snorkel tour was a ship wreck, so it's like 60 feet down and you can see this boat that's just down there.
And to me that's terrifying because of all the demons that inhabit the boat.
-But with snorkeling though, you're not submerged under water like you would have excused [unk].
-No, you're [unk] along the surface.
-So you could still just lift your head above water.
-It's still terrifying.
-I'm just scared.
I don't know.
I can't explain it.
-Is it the dead members of that crew?
Or perhaps, is it them hunting the
underbelly of the ocean?
-Have you seen Pirates of the Caribbean too many times?
Maybe it's like the schools of fish that swim through your legs.
-Maybe it's the fact that we have still undiscovered 80 percent of the ocean, right?
Like we only know about 20 percent of the existing under water.
-That's pretty terrifying.
-Yeah, that's a terrifying statistic if that's accurate.
-I mean, I don't know.
I just-- it scared me.
I would do.
There's a Snuba, someone told me I should try Snuba,
which is like a snorkeling scuba hybrid, where you, you don't need to wear the proton pack but you do some sort of like nose-mouth apparatus, where it's not as intense.
So I don't know if they had that there, but next time I'm in a position to do so, I will try.
It's pretty cool though.
Stacie took some-- so she is like an expert snorkeler.
She's really good in the water.
So, you know,
she got some great footage on the GoPro.
-So you were just huddled in like the one piece of shade that was on the island.
-Where even outsider was at inside, like in a bar or something like that.
I was outside the whole time.
-You know, look-- I just-- like when I go, most people they go out and they look at the sun and it feels good to them.
When I go out and feel the sun on my face.
It feels like I'm burning.
It feels like I'm on fire.
-'Cause you are burning.
-'Cause I am burning.
-You know what I mean?
Like that's where I draw the line.
-I don't know.
I enjoyed it.
It was very relaxing.
There's a lot of like, you know, little things to do and very, you know, great food like I said.
-But after awhile, it's like, "How long can you look at the ocean water?" It's the same thing--
-I could probably look at that as in many, many years.
-for miles and miles and miles.
-I don't think you hear people in Aruba complaining about that.
-It's just like a repeating pattern.
You know what I mean?
-I don't know.
These things just don't excite me the way they excite other normal people I guess.
So you're glad
to be back in the city.
You'd rather see miles and miles of trash piled up on the street, vagrant sleeping on the sidewalks.
-I don't enjoy the-- I don't enjoy looking at trash if you had-- you know, I was under these Palapas of these like a--
-I kept calling them Chupacabras or something--
That's not right.
-Isn't that a snake?
That's a snake, a fictitious snake.
-That's a [unk].
-Whatever it is.
I'm still like-- I'm hanging out there and, you know, I'm under the shade and that was fine.
-If I had a choice between looking
at the garbage and looking at the beach, obviously, I'm gonna choose the beach.
If nothing else, it's probably really nice to just disconnect and like not use your phone, right?
-You were unable to like it.
-So I had, I mean, we had internet in the room a little bit so I was like chatting on Viber with a few people.
-But no-- I wasn't-- I didn't look--
-On when you're outside.
-I didn't look at work e-mail once.
I didn't do any other sort of thing and that kinda disconnect was nice.
-You know what I realized though?
I've realized the second I got there that, you know, we really do need our phones.
You don't need
it need it obviously to survive.
But it's a camera.
It was my camera out there and you just sort of have to have that, you know, connects you.
It's become more of like you're having internet and all that's become more of like a-- I guess it's like a first world-- but it's become more of like a, you know, a right like--
-Like if there's electricity, there should also be internet.
There's water [unk] internet.
But that's the kind of vibe I got.
-What I really like about traveling is not having your phone and then having to ask strangers or locals for directions and then you inevitably like get into a conversation with
somebody and then they like suggest things to you.
-It's nice to have that personal touch from locals in the area, right?
-But there are not.
-As opposed to just getting Yelp reviews?
-Well, I'm just saying like there-- first off, Aruba is pretty much Americanized, at least the resort part, like there's freaking Taco Bells and there's-- yeah.
It sort of silly.
The funniest thing was, they had a Sopranos-themed piano bar.
So that's like-- that's happens.
It's everyone from the East Coast.
-So, it's like all the Italians and Jews go to Aruba
and when you get to Aruba, they're like.
"Oh, well we realized all these Italians and Jews are coming here.
Let's fashion it--
-What are they like?
-We were like, "What are they like?" Well, they like, you know, really over the top food and they are like bind jewelry and like doing all these other stuff.
And they really like that Soprano show.
-And that's what-- and that to me was a little bit of a turn off 'cause it's not really like you're going away.
It's basically like you're going to a Mediterranean, or-- I'm sorry.
Not Mediterranean, a Caribbean
like island in the US.
-That's what it feels like.
And everyone I, you know, I talked to some of the-- I guess the people that worked there like they have casinos and stuff.
So, I went over to one of the pit bosses and I was like, "Hey, can you open up one of those tables?
No one is playing there.
Me and my friend would like to play some Blackjack." She said, no.
Some of my dealers are out.
Some of my dealers were sick and some of them were on vacation.
-And I-- I'm like, where does someone from Aruba go on vacation?
-Like aren't you consoling on vacation?
And she goes, "We go to Florida." I go, "What?"
-You go to Florida for vacation?
She's like, "Yeah, we love Walmart and all that stuff." And I just laughed right in her face.
I was like, "Really?
-They're on vacation to shop at Walmart.
-It was like the most depressing answer I'd ever heard of anyone ever.
I just sat there and I like, I was like, "You're kidding, right?
You don't wanna go to the US to visit Walmart."
-And she's like, "No.
We love Walmart and Marshalls." What the hell is Marshalls?
-And all these other--
-It's probably not to buy
or browse the apps.
It was probably just to look at people shopping at Walmart for the same reason that we love to go.
-It's like an amusement park.
-They wanna go and buy 88--
-It's like going to Ripley's Believe It or Not or the Wax Museum.
-They wanna buy like, you know, bulk-sized toilet paper.
Well, they should go to Costco for that then.
You could have directed her vacation.
-And they'll be won by the time we go back next year on Aruba, I'm sure.
-But overall, it was super relaxing and we had a really great crew with us.
-It was like a totally--
-And your parents were there.
-My parents were there, which was, you know, they were there.
And it was great.
-You know, and they really showed us good time, so it's nice.
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Do you agree, Richard?
I mean, Richard was in here every day.
They were really good.
You don't normally, when you're gone, we have like a rotating cast of guests coming in.
But this week or last week, Bridget came in every single day.
And it was an awesome week of shows.
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But I really wanted to wait for you to come back to talk about this 'cause I knew that you'd have something good to say about it.
-Last week it was announced-- well, we knew this before but there's gonna be a sequel to the Man of Steel movie that's Zack Snyder directed.
Remember that was with Henry Cavill, that new guy.
-People didn't like it, right?
-People didn't like it.
I actually liked it, aside from the fact that I'm not a big superhero fans so I'm probably don't have a lot of critiques for it.
But anyway, he announced Comic Con that there's gonna be a sequel to Man of Steel
produced by Chris Nolan, of course, like the Dark Night series.
And last week they announced that Batman is gonna be in the movie fighting Superman.
-Are they gonna be fighting?
-They're gonna be fighting.
It's gonna be sort of like a contentious relationship.
-Kinda like Dark Night Returns.
-Right, sort of like that.
-'Cause they have a very interesting relationship in that.
-In that comment.
-In that comment.
But they also announced the actor that will play Batman last week and that actor is Ben Affleck.
You've heard-- I mean, you didn't-- you weren't on the internet all last week so you're probably didn't hear.
-I did hear that.
I did hear--
oh, I heard that he's gonna play.
-People are pissed about that.
I'm actually not that pissed but what do you-- how do you feel about it?
-I'm not pissed.
I thought you'd be really angry.
-Well no, 'cause number one, I mean, I'm a Ben Affleck fan.
-I do like him.
Now, here's the problem I have.
-He has made his mistakes, right?
-Everyone's made mistakes.
-and it was decade ago.
-Gigli was bad.
-Everyone's made mistakes.
-Jersey girl-- yeah.
-You can't knock them for making mistakes.
-But then on the other side of this, he also directed Argo, right, which won in the Academy
-And then the-- what was that one, where he was like a Boston gangster?
-The Town was great too.
Here's the problem I have with it.
And it's not that I don't think he can do a good job.
I do think he can do a good job.
-I mean, there are plenty of other people that could have been casted as batman that I would had a serious problem with.
Ben Affleck is not a guy I have a problem with.
-The problem I have is that, he's freaking Mr.
He is one of the most
recognizable people in entertainment.
-Why does he get to be batman also?
-You want someone-- like an unknown to common.
-I don't-- or this Henry guy.
-Like Henry, yeah.
-I didn't know the hell who he was?
Is it Harry or Henry?
-That's my problem.
Like why does he get to do it?
Does he not have enough cool stuff going on for him?
-Let's-- let him be the best superhero ever.
Well, I think the fact that he's directed someone a great movies and acted a bunch-- you got a great
portfolio so that would at least make him a good actor for the role.
-That is the problem.
Again, he's no unqualified.
-And I'm sure he'll be a great Bruce Wayne too.
-Not a lot of actors can pull off Bruce and Batman.
That's the thing.
-Michael Keaton did it.
-I-- see that the thing is like when people talk about Ben Affleck not being able to do the role of Bruce Wayne, I would definitely say that, "You know, Michael Keaton wasn't necessarily a good choice when it first came out either."
-No he was--
-And people were complaining about that too because before that he did Mr.
-And he did a bunch of comical like Beetle Juice.
And so I don't think a lot of people thought
he was gonna be great but he was.
-But he was awesome.
And he's still-- I think he's still the best Batman.
-Yeah, also I would argue that.
I'd argue that Bruce Wayne shouldn't have a receding hairline either but he ended up being a pretty good bachelor for that role.
-Dude-- well, you're telling Michael Keaton?
-That's what I'm saying.
-In the late 80's he was balding.
And Bruce Wayne should have a very thick type of hair.
No one-- Bruce Wayne is not perfect.
But they never showed them balding in the comic book.
Do you wanna know why?
-Because it was real life.
In real life--
-And he's got a lot of stress.
life people go bald.
-When you're a CEO of a huge company like that.
-And super successful people and superheroes go bald.
-Michael Keaton was a great Bruce Wayne and a great Batman.
We're gonna skip to Christian Bale 'cause none of those guys--
-I thought Val Kilmer was a good Batman but he was placed in a bad Batman movie.
-He might have been good had he been in the cast.
-Wrong place, wrong time.
-For me, Christian Bale was a good Bruce Wayne--
But not a good Batman.
-but not as great as Batman.
-Yeah, he wasn't the jokey
sort of Playboy.
-So, I mean, I'm okay with it.
Again, my problem is he has everything.
He is the guy.
He is right--
-One of the biggest names in Hollywood.
-Why does he get to have all the fun?
Why does he get to be Batman too?
-That's not cool.
That's my problem with that.
I think he'll do a fine job.
I also don't-- for the record, don't give a crap about this movie.
I don't care.
I just wish that they would start branching off into other
There are so many different superheroes.
Why do we have to keep retelling this Batman and Superman and Spiderman stories over and over again?
-Well, it's the first kind of-- right.
I'm with you on that too.
-And it hasn't been more than a decade since the last movie came out.
So why are we still doing this?
-I'm with you.
-That's 3 different Superman now.
Why are they so many?
You know, I was thinking over the weekend.
I was talking to a few friends about this.
It would be awesome if they came out with a rebooted Spawn movie.
Do you wanna reboot the superhero?
Redo Spawn and put Darren Aronofsky at the helm.
That would be amazing.
-Spawn was so wacky.
Or make Frank Miller
the producer or even the director and make it in the style of Sin City.
That would be an amazing Spawn movie, right?
'Cause I feel like that 90's version with John Leguizamo was sort of before it's time, right?
And C. Jai wasn't good enough for that movie yet.
-Let's revisit that.
-Spawn is a very-- Spawn is a super dark and very complex.
I love that character, right?
And also, you don't have a lot of black superheroes in the media right now.
Let's get that going.
-In the media?
There's-- I like how you said that.
-Let's do that.
How many black superhero movies are there?
-Oh, it's not the point of the black
It's just funny how you said like, in the media.
-In the media.
-Damn new media.
-Look, I don't know what to tell you.
-I'm just saying.
There so many others we can do.
Lobo, let's do a Lobo movie.
I mean, there's plenty of other characters but you can't take anything away from the fact that Batman is the biggest draw in terms of the box office.
-Yeah, I guess so.
-And there hasn't been a good Superman movie in a very long time, apparently.
I didn't see Man of Steel so I don't know.
-But the reception
of Man of Steel has me very uninterested in the Batman-Superman movie.
-I just don't care.
Like I-- well, I was away I also watched the Dark Night Returns cartoon.
-Which is like, literally a frame by frame adaptation of the comic book.
-This is the Frank Miller comic books.
Let's keep it there in the future.
And this is where like, you know, it's in the future and Bruce Wayne is like, he comes back as Batman and the President gets Superman 'til like stop Batman being all, you know,
vigilante and whatnot.
-And their dynamic is amazing and that works really well.
But I don't-- maybe they'll borrow some of that for this.
I feel like-- my other critique is that Batman versus Superman is like a 5-year-old's argument, right?
-Like we keep arguing about who would win in Batman versus Superman for a decades now.
-And I don't really-- I mean it's not worth there to know.
-So why are we-- it's such an under-handed throw in terms of a plot point.
I'm looking forward to them doing it and I'll watch, of course.
-I'll check it out.
-But I don't know.
I'm pretty sure I won't
-To me, it's just sort of just like this non-issue because it's not a stand-alone Batman movie.
It was a stand-along Batman movie and they-- and if I just heard like, "Oh, they're doing, you know, another Batman movie by--
-And that was Ben Affleck, I probably be more upset.
-Because this doesn't count.
-This is in a bad name movie, come on.
-He did such a really bad job as Daredevil though.
It's kind of hard to forget that.
-I didn't see Daredevil.
-You didn't see it?
-Oh, it's bad.
Did you watch it Richard?
-Yeah, it wasn't very good.
-Who was behind that movie?
-I don't know.
I'm not sure.
-Is Zack Snyder.
-I'm like, I mean--
-I mean, you gotta give Zack Snyder some credit too, right?
I mean, if you ever gonna given the benefit of the doubt before it comes out, Zack Snyder an Chris Nolan should deserve it to the 10th degree, right?
-Like they've proved themselves enough.
-have, I mean--
-He wouldn't cast someone random for this role.
It's directed by Mark Johnson, Daredevil.
Who the hell is that?
-When you look at the movies Zack Snyder's directed, none of them
are ones that I would consider a favorite movie of mind.
Like I-- I mean, he made Dawn of the Dead--
-which is his most critically successful film, it looks like.
-Watchmen was amazing.
-I never watched Watchmen.
-300 was good too.
-300 was okay.
-He made that Owl movie?
-Yeah, Legend of the Guardians.
-Sucker Punch was depressing on numerous levels.
-Man of Steel, you know, people didn't love it.
-They don't love it.
He's making a 300 sequel
called 301-- I don't know about that.
-And then the Batman-Superman.
I don't-- you know.
People just seemed to get rehired for stuff.
-That's the problem.
They just doesn't seem to be in a new ideas here.
It's just like it dipped back into the pool and cast all new people.
-But that's how it goes man.
-Anyway, so that's Ben Affleck as Batman.
There's a petition online that thousands have already signed.
If you don't like him, you could send this petition and it won't do any good 'cause it's already been signed.
-Yeah, that's freaking life man.
-Just get a life.
-All in petitions have never done anything.
-How about this, you that upset with Ben Affleck being Batman, get some real ass-freaking problems.
-Just get a real problem.
-Speaking of the ends justifies the means, let's talk about Grand Theft Auto 5.
-Because it's kinda up pretty soon, right?
-It's-- you know what man?
This is the first time in a really long time, probably since BioShock, which was only in March.
But I'm very excited to start playing this game.
-Well, it's funny
that you brought up BioShock, because when that game came out-- I remember you played it for a week or something.
It was right before the game debut.
And you actually beat it, right?
As everyone were starting to play it and so I was able to watch the ending scene to that.
I knew everything that happened and there was kind of a interesting story at the end, right?
And I wanted to spoil it for people but I couldn't because I knew that millions of gamers will be on my ass.
But, once again, Grand Theft Auto 5 has been spoiled as well.
-Oh, my God.
I didn't know about this.
-Did you hear about this?
-This is really crazy.
-Again, I was unplugged.
This is kind of tragic.
But Grand Theft Auto 5 comes out September 17th.
And there's a gaming forum no Reddit.
And over the weekend, someone actually was able to decrypt the PSN pre-load file.
I had no idea what that was.
Apparently it's a copy of the game that you can download ahead of time.
-And apparently that file had all of the audio clips of every single spoken word in the game.
It's the whole
-The entire game's audio file.
-'Cause these guys, they decrypted it--
-A couple of people that just had no way too much time in their hands, apparently.
-Oh, my God.
-Listen to the game, a lot like how Bridget listened to the entire Home Alone Movie on the trip as a child.
They just listened to the audio files with the whole game and that gave up the ending.
So you can actually read the spoiler and they posted those audio clips to YouTube right now, and I listened to them.
-What the freak?
You know what's going on.
-I know exactly what happens.
-Anyone can look it up.
-It's pretty good.
-Please, I probably get it in a week.
So this is something you don't even have.
You know-- well, we always get it a little early but, please.
I would do anything.
Don't spoil this game for me.
-Oh, it's a good one.
-Is it really?
Even the fact that you said it's a good ending, is a spoiler for me.
-So just shut up.
-I don't even know what's happening with the plot or anything, but I read some background on it and--
Already too much.
-people's other-- people's opinion.
There's a lot going on,
definitely worth the game in my opinion and my really unfounded opinion.
Well, that's-- yeah I mean, it just sucks.
-So what is Rocks do-- like what a Rockstar say?
-So Rockstar hasn't come out and said anything yet.
PlayStation actually apologizes 'cause it was their fault for leaving that vulnerability open.
-And they said that they-- since pulled down those pre-order files from the PlayStation store.
And that's-- yeah that's irrelevant because you could still go on YouTube or that Reddit thread.
So go to gaming.reddit.com.
It's the first thread by far
in that forum.
-If you want to spoil this amazing--potentially amazing game.
-This one of the most anticipating games in a decade.
-So just-- why would you want it?
Why would you want to spoil it?
-Just be careful.
-That's what I don't understand.
-I don't understand the people who want-- who are into spoiling stuff for themselves.
It's like reading the end of the book before you started.
-Why do that?
-Not a good idea.
-Why would you do that?
-Do Grand Theft Auto games usually
have really good endings too or is this like an omelet.
-Yeah, you know, they have a-- they have, you know, pretty dramatic narratives
-You know, the endings are usually intense.
-Like Grand Theft Auto 4, which really intense.
-But, you know, they are not really known for I guess having-- it's not really about the ending with those games.
-It's more about the crazy, you know, game play during the regular campaign.
-But still, who the hell wants to find out what happened at the end of this game?
like a 30-hour game too.
-That's what I'm saying.
It's way more messed up than spoiling a movie for someone 'cause that's for 2-hour [unk] versus, you said 30-hour usually?
-I mean, I have no idea how long it's gonna be but it's probably gonna be even the potential for--
-I don't know.
-You can ruin someone's day here.
-That's crazy to me.
That's just butt crap crazy.
-I can't believe that.
You know what that's-- Rockstar's gotta be really, really upset with someone.
-Like this is not something you just, you know, go
-This is a huge major sort of disappointment.
You can do some damage with this thing too.
Be careful who you follow on Twitter and stuff 'cause a lot of people just posting it out there.
So, if you look at your Twitter feed, they just read the ending and then you can't unread.
So just be careful.
-How-- you can't.
-Be careful out there.
It's a mindful.
-And what are you gonna tell to people?
Close your eyes for 3 weeks.
You gotta do like a--
-Yeah, that sucks.
So, you know, not everyone can escape to Aruba
when they got problems in their life, Jeff.
-I really was running from problems.
-I don't know what these problems were but they're surely waiting for you when you get back.
Think about that.
-They were huge--
And I'm still here.
Some people really have to find an alternative means escaping from everyday life, right?
And there's a new website that makes that possible.
Unfortunately, social networks and log-in accounts or various websites online are the source of these big problems.
You know, maybe you like-- had a Wordpress page dedicated to something you
just wanna go away.
If you have a video from work that's on Vimeo and that's embarrassing, it shows you dancing to, I don't know, what-- like Robin Thicke song or something.
-Yeah, I love that Robin Thicke song.
There's a new website called justdelete.me that's getting really popular.
It's kinda cool.
So you ever wonder how easy or difficult it is to remove yourself from websites.
Well, justdelete.me allows you to do that.
So check this out Richard.
You can put this up on the screen, please.
It's basically just a page of bugs that linked out to various account removable processes.
And then it even ranks them by difficulty too, which is I think is pretty cool.
Most of them are really easy like Arabian Bee.
It's just a matter of unregistering your login account.
You can also, you know, they have everything from delicious to Digg to FedEx, to eBay and Facebook.
But what's interesting about this story is that a lot of the websites that are more difficult to remove yourself from are a little unexpected.
This is crazy.
I mean, they get colors based on the difficulty.
So something like, About.me, relatively easy to get rid of yourself.
-But then on the other hand, you get these black bars over things that are difficulty rating impossible like, for example, Craigslist.
Apparently, once you signed up for Craigslist account, you know, that's like repost stuff or whatever.
There's no way to delete it.
That just stays in the servers forever.
-So that's crazy.
So-- but I'm sure when you sign up
for the service it says, "Hey, you know, we're gonna--
-One time only.
This is it.
Once you go-- once you come in here, there's no going back.
Perhaps I don't know.
Actually, you know what I wanna do a search right now for OkCupid, which isn't on here.
But it should be because, you know, this is really crazy.
So you signed up for an OkCupid account.
And then you deactivate it.
If you want to reactivate it after that, they actually show you a warning that says, "If you want to reactivate your account, you won't be able to deactivate it for
So once you come back--
-you're in for a year?
-Yeah, which is really crazy.
So, I don't know, if you get back to relationship and then break up again.
You wanna go back on OkCupid, be careful 'cause you won't be able to get into another one for a year.
-But again, you know, but that-- see, no one reads any of the terms and services when they sign up.
No one does.
-It's less than 1 percent of people.
-They're too long.
-They're too long that will take you years to read.
-So what I don't understand is why is it not illegal
to have-- to make it necessary to have basically what I want, what I would like.
Those vital points of information would-- really the only bits and pieces that you need to see before you sign up for any sort of account.
-So why can't we have some rule in place that make summarizing those very necessary bullet points mandatory?
Like when I sign up for XYZ.com I wanna know exactly what I'm getting
-So that's what I am requesting from the internet.
-Yeah, I wish, right cause that would have been really useful with NetFlix for example.
That's another one that's kinda surprisingly impossible to delete.
They say, if you contact customer service, they won't even delete your account if you beg them to under the premise that you might wanna rejoin and keep your history and recommendations.
So I think a lot of what these services do is they put your account on like a back file.
-You go dormant.
-Yeah, you are dormant for a while and deactivate because they have all these search
preferences and things like that, that you may want if you wanna ever reactivated a future date.
So that sorta make sense but, man, if you really wanna delete yourself, it's like canceling Time Warner AOL like impossibly difficult.
-Most of them are really easy though.
And I admit, when I first heard about the story, I thought it was just a-- I thought it was an automatic service and that would be really cool.
As if you just wanted to delete your-- you want to purge your presence from the internet entirely, that would be great if you could just log in to one service and then it would just wipe your file.
-You can watch it go.
-It's like a
clean slate from the Batman movie.
-So this website, it just tells you how to do it or you click on it and it does it.
-You click on it.
It takes you directly to the website-- part of the website that lets you removed yourself.
-The exposition of that in the movie is kinda funny.
-They never explained it.
What the funniest thing is like-- who's that guy that hires Bane?
I forgot his name.
He like runs the company and wants to absorb Wayne Enterprises.
-And like Catwoman's got him like pin down to the ground
and she's like, "Where is the clean slate?" You mean-- he's like, "You mean clean slate?
The thing that gets rid of you on the internet?"
-It's so funny.
He's like, "Every database in the world and you're gone?"
-"You mean that?" and she's like, "Yeah.
I mean, that's what we're fighting for."
-And then later on, when Bruce Wayne gives juries like, "Hey.
Here's a reward.
A USB thumb drive with clean slate.exe on it."
He's like, "Don't forget.
It's the thing we're talking about earlier."
-[unk] in the world.
-You have Windows 8 mate.
That's very-- it is a good sort of eject button.
-But we'll have to do a lot of work if you go to justdelete.me because, again, these are only links out to various, you know, termination, you know, account sites and whatnot.
-It's not that big of a deal though like why do you need your NetFlix account deleted?
-Like even the fact that you can't delete it fully.
gonna, you know, be a thorn in yourself forever.
-It won't come back to haunt you.
-It might if you've been watching a lot of crazy movies.
But like-- you know, that's what's gonna happen man.
-Some freaking politicians, some guys gonna be running for office and it' gonna be like 2043 and then maybe like, "Dude, look at your NetFlix dude on 2012."
-What the hell was going on?
-Why are you watching Human Centipede so many times?
Why are you watching that
so many times?
-And why could you not, you know, stop-- and that's will come back and people like, "Why did you not vote for Mr.
Yu?" "Well, we couldn't stop watching Human Centipede."
-I don't want a guy like that leading my country.
-And I'm pretty sure NetFlix can tell when you've paused and rewind to re-watch certain scenes, right?
So they'll be like Justin, you rewound Saw like 15 times and re-watched that part where he kinda cut off his foot like-- they can track that sort of situation.
-What's up with that?
Yeah and be like, "What's up with that?"
-That will be brought up at the debate.
so wild things.
You've seen that movie for 450 times.
-What's up with that?
-Why have you screamed Cruel Intentions 38 times in one week?
-It's a great movie.
And judging by the camera we had facing you through Xbox, it was you alone.
-NetFlix come back.
I think that's it, right?
-Yeah, I do wanna read this one e-mail though.
-'Cause last week, our buddy-- what was his name?
Gustavo from South Paulo in Brazil left us a really nice voicemail, where he was saying, "Hey, guys.
You do have international listeners and I'm actually learning English using your great podcast."
-Where he is--
-And his English is great too, which you wouldn't expect from listening to our dumbass' talk all day.
-So he was learning our language by listening to the show?
You know how a lot of people practiced their English by watching soap operas or day time television.
He uses the 404 Show.
-So that's really cool.
-Is what we'll say.
-We'll try harder.
-So that was Gustavo
and we're wondering where else people listen to the show that might be kind of under the radar.
And Suman, I hope that's how he pronounces his name, e-mailed us and says, "Hey, guys.
I listen to the show via podcast in YouTube in Durban, South Africa.
Hey says, "I think it's brilliant.
So keep it up.
-Well, thanks man.
-Do you have any other South African listeners?
-I don't think so.
I think that's the first for us.
-So I have to Google that bud.
It is indeed in South Africa.
-Oh, look at that.
-Yeah, there it is.
I hope he has friends that listen to the 404 too.
It's pretty lonely if he is the only South African listener.
Well, thanks for writing in and calling in and all that stuff.
That is the number to call.
You can e-mail us to firstname.lastname@example.org.
Tomorrow we will be joined by good, good man, a friend of mine named Harold Goldberg.
We have a lot to talk
to him about-- he has a book that we could talk about.
He's very-- he's a veteran game industry journalist, knows his way around-- the whole show.
So we'll have a lot of fun with that.
And then, later in the show-- later in the week we also will have an interview with 2 of the guys from Reno 911 and they have a movie out called Hillbaby.
We're talking to them.
So that will be fun as well.
There's a lot to look forward to this week.
So make sure you tune in tomorrow.
That's gonna do it for us.
I'm Jeff Bakalar.
-I'm Richard Peterson.
-This is the 404 Show, high-tech, low brow.
Have a great Monday.
We're back here tomorrow.
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