Ep. 1294: Where we give you the evil eyeAfter a few snack-related distractions, we'll get to today's headline story about Grinders: a subculture of hackers that alter their bodies for digital enhancement, and one guy in particular that surgically implanted magnets in his ear to create invisible...
-All right. It's Friday, June 28th, 2013. This is the 404 Show on this beautiful Friday in New York City. I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Ariel NuÃ±ez. -Welcome to the program. Peace out June, I ain't gonna miss you. -I thought you're gonna say juice for a second. I was like, wait, what you-- is something happened here I don't know about? -Peace out juice. -All right juice. -Get a life juice. -Yeah, it is beautiful today. -Let me ask you a question. I'm gonna just bring this surprisingly 'cause I didn't discuss this in the pre-show. -There are no surprises bro. -Have you ever had a See's candies before? -Yes. The chocolates? -Yes. -S-E-E-- -S-E-E-'-S possessive. -Have. -Do you like them? -I mean it's freaking chocolate dude, what's not to like? -No. It's not freaking chocolate. -It is chocolate. -Have you had See's candies obviously, right? -Yeah, of course. -So I was hanging out with a friend yesterday and my mom sent me a care package earlier this week-- -By the way, Alice you only give Justin sugar. -Yeah. -Whenever there's a package that comes from out West addressed to Justin from Mama Yu-- -Right. -Sugar-- -It's like sugar and then it actually went to sweet factory and then went to the China Town groceries, where we can just bought stuff at those two locations. -She must think like, "My growing boy needs all the sugar he can get." -That's like black beans and fried fish in a can and then like, Snickers bars on the other side. -Nice. -She's just trying to-- -And See's candies. -kill your teeth. That's what she's trying to do. -Yeah. This is why I developed the sweet tooth. -Yeah. -That's why I only have one tooth now. -Again-- -And it's sweet. -But I brush it a lot. What the hell are we talking about? See's candies. -See's candies. I share them with a friend and it blew her mind 'cause she's from New York and has never tried See's candy before. I gave her one of the Bordeaux bars, which is basically just like pure sugar. -Yeah. -It was amazing. And I was wondering if you had ever eaten See's candies before. And if you had said no, would have brought them in. Since you've already eaten them-- -So why don't you have any on you right now, man? I mean, you're gonna bring it up. What if I said no, it would have been amazing if you just presented it right here. -Okay, right. Wait 'til Monday then and I'll bring you some See's candies. -Oh, man. I'm not gonna be here Monday. -That's Monday. Oh, yeah Ariel's gone all next week. -You're gonna have your own candy next week. You don't have to worry about it. -That's true. -I mean, it was a nice candy. -You know, what's really dumb and overrated? -What? -Cotton candy. -What? -Don't what me. -I love cotton candy. -Do you? -Yeah. -You love that sticky, disgusting crap that gets on your fingers. You have to rub it on the person's shirt in front of you. -Yeah. It makes me feel like I'm in a fair, 'cause you only ever get cotton candy in a fair. You know what's overrated is popcorn. -No. Popcorn-- I love that. I think it's-- -Unless it's Kettlecorn, then that's really good. But regular popcorn is supremely overrated. Who cares about that stuff? -Kettlecorn's great. You have Caramel corn. -Oh, yeah. -Give me some of that. What else we wanna eat? Let's say-- -Breadsticks? -Fudge? The straight up fudge. -Yeah, okay. -Took you to that Atlantic City Fudge place when we were there. Remember that? -Yeah. -Some Jersey Shore Fudge. -Churros. There's this place called Doughnut Plant in the City and they have Churros. But I do-- when I buy them at the store and I take them home and put in the microwave and deep them in Nutella. Oh, it's so good. -When is Nutella gonna be publicly traded? -So good. -Why are you not obese? -Yeah-- like you-- -Why don't I have a diabetes? -Yeah. You should have type-2 diabetes. -We don't know that. -I do [unk]. -You've never been tested. -No. -You really have it. -I have been tested, in fact. -And you're not. -I don't-- I do not have. -You're not even like flirting with it? -No. -The doctor wasn't even like, "sit down, son." -You have one toe in the pool of diabetes. -Right. I mean, you like take off your jacket and all these Tic Tac's falling. -Tic Tac-- -Like that was your go-to-- no all these Hi-Chews. -Yeah. Thank you. I'm more culture already. -I'm obsessed with Hi-Chews lately. -Yeah. -Hi-Chews are where it's at. If you never had Hi-Chews, go to your local-- I don't know. -Continental grocery store? -Well, it's not just that anymore. It's not like an-- -You can get them anywhere now. -Yeah, you can get them for like bodega's and stuff-- -They're super mainstream. They come from out there, right? -What? -They're made in China or they're made in Japan? -I think so. I'm not sure. I don't know-- maybe. -They definitely originate in that part of the world. -But they're basically just gummy candies, not unlike Starburst. -Right. -But their flavor is-- -Yeah. They're like fruit-- natural fruit-flavored Starburst. -No, I don't wanna use the word natural. -They're made to look like natural fruit-flavored candies. -Right. And they're all the same color. They're just like white. -Yeah. -They're not very appetizing the way a Starburst is. -But you know how when you eat Starburst, it's really annoying because they would get stuck to your teeth and you have to like-- -Right. That's the beauty of Hi-Chew. -Hi-Chews do not get stuck to your teeth. -Why? -I don't know. They're coated in baking soda. -Really? -That what makes them so tasty. You know, I don't know if that's the case. -Okay. -But they come in really delicious flavors. -My favorite is cantaloupe. -I've never had the cantaloupe. I gotta try that. I'm addicted to the green apple. Give me like 15 packs of green apple for one day. -That was really-- -There's a lot of sugar in them though, okay? Gotta watch out for that. -And I want all of them. -I want like a variety pack, you know, and just like pop one every hour and see what happens to my brain. -Let me ask you a question. -You know in California, Ariel. You can go to any mall in California and go to a Bolt Candy Store like sweet factory-- -B-O-L-T? -or it's B-O-L-T for example. -Yeah. Gotcha. -Where in New York City can you get Bolt Candy? -What the hell is Bolt candy? -I don't think you can get it anywhere-- -It's like-- -Like where you serve yourself the candy. Were you have like these-- -Dylan Tongs, right? Oh, Dylan's Candy Shop. Is that like uptown right? Time Square? -It's in like the 50's or 60's. -Well, okay. -Interesting. -Yeah. 'Cause that's-- -'Cause we're looking for a spot. There's no sweet factories in the city. -Yeah, we used to have sweet factories-- on the East Coast they used to be more popular. There's definitely wanted another place like that. -Get your sour belts. -Oh, my God. Give me some of those sour peaches, the rings. -Yeah. -Give me some of them sour watermelons as well while we're at it. -Give me the Runts but only the banana flavor. -Runts? -Runts. The hard those-- -I remember the candies. -Yeah, those are good. -Feel like that's-- -But only the bananas. -That's no Runts. I associate with like just classlessness. -Well. -Like when you-- like Runts were the treat that you got at Halloween and like the person who had Runts like just took a pile out of a bowl and pour them into your pillow case. -Yeah. Right. -That's what they did. They're like-- here. Let me just top off a couple of Runts in your pillow case for you there, sir. -I love that. -You know-- -Wait, the [unk] is like the Necco wafers, anybody? -Necco wafer-- -The Necco wafers. -Oh, Necco wafers. -Yeah, those are nasty. -No, they're like sugar wafers. I love those dude. -No, I don't like those. -No? -That's like old lady candy. -Yeah. -No. It's good. You can taste them off balls. -No. -Yeah, that's good. -Oh, those are nasty. -That's good. Now you guys are ass holes. I'm good. -Yeah. Those were like-- -You're a-- what that-- I don't know why I'm-- -Necco wafers? -Yeah, they're good. -No. They're good. The best is-- you were like, did you do a lot of trick or treating growing up? -No, I never trick or treated in my life. -No, but like some people just don't, because they don't live in a place that facilitates that. -Yes, I have. -You too Ariel? -Yeah, I have. -The best is when you would like, go to some guy's house and he didn't eat-- you know, there just so many kids that didn't know any better. I remember there was this one guy who used to give out the king-sized of Reese's peanut butter cups. -Yes. -Oh, yeah. -Like those are four packs. Those are like on the Halloween market. Those are pretty high up there. -My mom would drove me into the rich area of Huntington Beach-- -Nice. -And she took me there and they-- it looks like they just went to [unk] and went crazy. -They've giving out hundred dollar bills and whatnot. -Yeah. -Wrap my ring. -Yeah, wrapped in like a gold bracelet. -Right. -And they're like, "here you go sir." -We won a Faberge egg? There you go. -So, anyway, this guy with a freaking king-sized cups, you'd be like, "Oh, my God. We gotta hit that guy up again." We got-- so I remember I was just like 6 dude one time, and we-- he was living in a Cul de Sac, right? So we all like traded masks. -Nice. -We hit them 4 times and were like an hour. Yeah, 'cause like I'm also-- I'm out. -Yeah. It's all because of you guys. -You clean me out. -He probably knew it was you. -He probably. -He's like, 'these kids are crazy but-- -One of my buddies was like, here you go. Put my finger up to my nose. I'm no mustache man. -Yeah. -You never seen me before. -Love it. -Yeah, that's awesome. -Oh, I missed it. -My mom used to give out haw flakes. -What? -Do you know what those are? -No. -She might as well pour-- -Haw flakes, the most disgusting candy ever made. -What is that? -They're made of fruit from the Chinese hawthorn trees. -Oh, my God. I gotta vomit. -Look-- check these out. This is what haw flakes are. If there's any Asian, I know what that is. -It looked like slices of salami. -Yeah. -Disgusting. -Those are disgusting. They-- I don't even know what-- they tastes like-- -See? This is how like stereotypes form though. -You get it, all right? -I think you understand, this is how stereotypes for. -Yeah. This is why white people think Asian people are weird. -No, but it's like-- -Which is a hundred percent. -If I'm a kid growing up and I'm like, oh, it's not how [unk] use. They gave out these weirdo salami slices. -Right. Yeah. -And they don't even wrap them individually. -Yeah, I know. They gave them one by one. And you have to open your mouth and they just put them right in your mouth as you go. -I'd rather go to the old lady who just gives me 4 pennies than have to deal with these slices. -They probably taste better than the haw flakes too, those pennies. -It was so gross. -You know, they're nasty. They what is the consistency of them? They kinda taste like fruit roll-up? -Right. But-- -Yeah. -Not like a fruit roll-up. -Like dries-- like stomped on a bunch of time before you drive through the gutter. -It looks like fruit roll-up jerky is what they looks like. -Oh, they're so nasty. -Yeah, my mom was so mean. -Really man. -Uh-hmm. -It's amazing how well you turned out. -Yeah. -Well, she sent the good stuff for me. She gave the haw flakes [unk]. Yeah. They're like Asian Necco wafers. -Yeah, I don't know if I wanna say that. -Yeah, that's so funny. -Yeah. -All right. Well, we can have our sugar later. -How do we get into this topic? -How do we get-- I think we're talking about how cotton candy sucks-- something like that. -Oh, See's candies. -Oh, See's candies. -Right. Yeah. -There you go. Ten minutes later, here we are. -Yeah. I love candy. -All right. Speaking of-- oh, so do you like candy? -Yeah. -You like candy? -Yeah. -All right, we'll-- you know how like they're super rare candy that you can get, you know what I mean? -Yeah, adult candies. -Like super-- -No, like candy-- even like normal candy, but it's not made-- -But it's not metaphors here or like? -No, we're talking real candy but then also like adult candy. -Okay. -Anyway, all this is leading up to a thing called Atlantis. -Terrible translation. -Okay. -It does sell-- they do sell hard-to-find candy. They do. -Okay. -Would like me to talk about the story here? -Please do. -Okay. This is weird. This is the first ever hearing about it. There's a site now called Atlantis, which is basically a black market-- the Amazon of black market stuff. -Yeah. -Of naughty stuff. -It's like Silkroad. Remember that Silkroad market place, where you can only use like bitcoins to buy it but you have to install like a program in order to get to the website. -Right. So the way-- right. Exactly. -This is like that-- -So it would requires you to use Thor, which is that, sort of like anonymous proxy network thing. -Right. -Once you're hooked through there, you can log on to Atlantis and you can buy straight up hardcore narcotics. -Yeah. -And it's crazy because not only is it just a breeding ground for all the terrible things in the world that you or are legal and whatnot. But, they seemed to be like advertising now. And they seemed to be pretty proud of the fact that their site has become this gulch of the internet. And what I really think is crazy is that, when you go through like some of the listings, there's no-- like, you know, you're going [unk] to the state. You change your words or I use code. -Yeah. -There's no code with saying, blocked our heroin $800. -Right. -Right? That's how it works and you can bring up the site here on the screen. I mean scroll down to the bottom. There is a-- you can just buy cocaine, marijuana-- I mean, this is for nobody. -One ounce of pure MDMA crystals for $650. -So I'm just blown away and you can actually buy hard-to-find candies like a Kinder Bueno, which-- they're all illegal. -Great. -So it's like for a buck 30, you can get candy that's hard to find. -Right. -Maybe it's like under embargo or whatever. -Yeah, the weird thing is that, you can actually get things that aren't even physical goods like this guy is selling instructions on how to get free NetFlix for life in 3 simple steps. All you gotta do is to give this guy 20 bucks. -Obviously, this is all illegal and we're not encouraging anyone to check it out. We're just reporting the fact that there is this under belly of the internet that has really grown in popularity to kind of epic portion. -That being said, I did do some healthy research on the website. -Did you go there, really? -I did. Yeah, I went there. You know what's the coolest thing that I found on this website? People are selling hotel keys, right? -Oh, my God. -But not to break in-- -Why is this cool? -Not to break into hotels but because a lot of people are looking for free places to go swimming in the summertime, right? And in order to get into these pools in the hotels like the Gansevoort for example, or the Ace Hotel in New York. You have to have a room key but they don't check to see if your room key is legit. You just gotta flash it in front of their face. -Right. -Right? So people, you know, when you get to a hotel, you have a room. You can ask for another additional room key to get it duplicated for you. Well, these people do that. And then they keep one of them 'cause there are guest, they don't keep a record of how many copies they gave-- -Yeah, those are disposable. -Yeah, they just give you it 'cause they can deactivate it after you leave anyway, right? -This is weird. -And then they go online and sell them on Atlantis. That's pretty cool. Selling for 50 bucks, and that's a great way to just go swimming for free man. -No, man. That's not cool. You can't do that. -Why not? That's hacking the system, that's great. -Man, this summer heat? Any way to get into a pool, I do it. -Yeah. -Like Hudson River is lovely this time of the year. -Yeah. -I saw another hack that was really cool too. You wanna hear about it? -Sure. -People are selling press pass templates, right? So press pass templates, where you just drag your own photo onto the template and you can fill out whatever information. This is how I type, by the way. You just fill out whatever information you want like a Marionette. And then you printed out. Go to Kingco's and get it laminated and then you can get into places like museums for free that allow press to give in, no charge. It's pretty good, right? -If that's another hacking-the-system thing. -That's pretty sweet. -I'm not upset with that one. -I mean, that's not hard core drugs. But it's something that you probably wouldn't be able to get on eBay for example. -Well, there's stuff that we used to be able to do when we were kids we can't do anymore. -Like hack payphones-- -Yeah. -We did that. -Oh, yeah. -Oh, you ever do like the dollar bill with a bunch of clear tape? -Yeah. -That you could put into a vending machine and then pull back everything. -But didn't work on every vending machine. -No. Not all the time. -Let's see. I used my Palm pilot to grab like IR so that when people went into their like garages and stuff, you could like open it after you can capture their Infrared. -Wow, you're advanced. -That's not-- -IR. -Yeah, that's raid and that's RF. Yeah, whatever, RF or IR extension. -You just like-- you know, we just sit there and like mess with this dude's garage door for about an hour and 30 minutes. -A little point is that then you could go and win and steal everything from their garage. -Well, okay. I didn't realize there was the payoff was actually, you know-- -Yes. [unk]. -Okay. So anyway, back on to Atlantis and off of my criminal history. You can also pay someone's just hack into someone's Facebook if you wanna see their profiles. That's only 183 bucks, small price to pay. -What the hell kind of world that we're living in? -Pretty kickass one if you ask. -Yeah, awesome one. They also sell magnetic tag detachers for the sensors they put on stuff at retail stores. -Right, enabling you to shop lift. -Right, yeah. Pretty cool. -Nice. -It's like the Anarchist Cookbook has a website, has a marketplace and this is it. -Yes. Viagra. -Yeah, dude. You can buy-- I mean, like-- and we're again, we gotta stress that we're not endorsing anyone going here. We really-- don't roll your eyes. -I'm not. -We really have to stress that. But I'm not gonna lie man, I kinda want a freaking Canadian passport. -Yeah? -That some fireworks. -I kinda just swag that in some fireworks. You think that will be okay. -Can you add everything to your cart and then check out and like a coupon codes and frequent flyer miles and stuff like that. -Yeah, you get a free coin buyer card-- -Punch cards-- -You get the 10th one free. -That's a scary. -You buy guns. -You could buy guns out there. -I don't know. Now we don't like it. Now, we don't like it. -Yeah. -I had no problem buying social security card and 15 European Visa numbers-- -Yeah. -But the second you start selling guns on this place-- -You know what's also really scare is that people are selling identities. -Yeah. -On Atlantis. -Not cool. -So you could buy someone's entire identity, a social security card, their credit card account, bank accounts, all that stuff. -If-- there is a fine line, isn't not? -Yeah. -There is a fine line. -What I don't get, isn't there a way to track these items and like-- -Well, it's all anonymous so they only allow you to log in to the site through tor, which is like a-- just like a-- think of it as like VPN-ending through like an anonymous place. -Yeah. -Right. -And then you use Bitcoin, which is also anonymous 'cause you buy those on a separate website. -There's no names, man. No names. -Yeah, no names. -But where do they get this stuff ship to though? -Yeah, you gotta send it to your house, right? -No. -Do they do carting? Remember carting back in the day when you copied down someone's car and then you'd send whatever stole in items you purchased online to an open house and then you go and pick it up at a later date. -Yup. -I didn't do that my friend. -I didn't do that either. I bet you were the guy who like ordered pizza to places that didn't ordered pizza. -Maybe. -Man, you're an amateur. -Is that what they're doing here to get stuff sent to them? -No. -'Cause they'd be fooled if they go through all this in anonymous stuff and they get it sent to your apartment. -So, what's really kinda cool-- well, that wasn't cool but a way to do it and this is just educational, again. If you live in any kind of-- you know, urban-ish city, you can-- a lot of places, a lot of restaurants will allow you to have stuff shipped to them. -Uh-hmm. -And, you know, you give them your "name" and you, you know, have it shipped over there under your real name or the name that you choose to use. -Right. -And then you come in there and you have bring some sort identifying card if this is-- if you're that person and you pick up your package. -There's things you could do at like, you know, like-- I think 7 Eleven have-- -Oh, like lock box? -Locker boxes. -Right. -And stuff like that. We're going to jail man. -Yeah. -Freaking go to jail dude. -I think so. I didn't do anything wrong. -We didn't do anything. We're just reporting the news on Buzzfeed. -Yeah. Just reading. -Come on. Everyone trusts Buzzfeed. -Yeah, that's crazy. -Yeah. -What do you guys wanna buy? I mean, you don't have to go online to buy fireworks. You just go to New Hampshire, right? -Pennsylvania. -Yeah, in Pennsylvania. Closer. So what do you guys wanna buy? -I don't know. -Do you wanna buy anything crazy? -Not really trying to do anything bad. -Yeah. -Yeah. I know-- -I'm trying to get a rest-- -Like I'm not trying to buy like 400 credit card numbers-- -Yeah. -I really don't know what I would do with that. -Yeah. -Kinda too old for all of this. Too old to go to jail. -Yeah. -Right? I mean like, what would you-- you know what's really crazy is how much more infinitely accessible this stuff was when we were younger. -Right. Yeah. -Like there-- like if you want-- when I was 13, I could get you any-- I could get you credit card. I can get your credit card number. I never did it. -Yeah. -'Cause even at the tender age of 13, you know like, Oh, my God. This is bad news. I don't want anything to do with this. -Well, anyone that you give your credit card to a waiter at a restaurant could possibly copy down your credit card, right? -Oh, for sure. -For sure that happened. But-- -No, but I mean like, you could get-- yeah you're right. -It gonna be really easy. -Yeah. -Scary. You know, we should order and this is legal. We should order those Miracle Berries and try them on air. -What is that? -What the freak are you talking about? -You never heard of Miracle berries before? -No, weirdo guy. What are you talking about? -They're not drugs. You can order them on ThinkGeek actually, I believe. -Oh, all right. So what is it? -And so, people have these Miracle berry parties, right? And they're basically, these things you buy online and they're like tablets where if you put them on your mouth, if you ingest them. They basically make anything you eat tastes super sweet. -Oh, that's not-- -I don't the sciences behind it or whatever. But a lot of people would just buy a bunch of these and then they have parties where they just like eat these tablets and then eat lemons for the rest of the day and the lemons tastes like the most sweetest fruit you ever tasted. -Or like celery or something? -Yeah, like a pound of butter and it'll like taste delicious. -That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why would they wanna do that? -You never heard about that? Here they are. -Gonna make salads tastes way better. -Miracle Berry fruit tablets. -Yeah. -Oh, they're direct from the Orient too. See all that Asian writing on it? -Yeah. Why am I doing this? Why do I wanna do this at all like why-- -Just because it's a crazy thing that you could like, I don't know, just like put a spoonful of salt in your mouth and it'll probably taste delicious. -But that's not-- that's not cool. -It's the miracle of the science bro. -Are you with me Ariel? Seem sort of stupid. -I kinda wanna try. -Yeah, you can. Of course you wanna try it because-- -How long does it last? -I don't know. It doesn't say here. -Did I ever tell you about the weirdo eye drops I had, that one time? I never told you about this? -No. What is that? -I'm going to jail. -So, there-- I was, when I used to tour like back in a day going towards the bands and stuff like that. There was a road manager, tour manager, this guy Ron. And he was like kind of older. He's probably in his like late 40's and whatnot. And every time we went out like he was the guy who knew a guy in Cleveland and he knew a guy and like, you know, boys here. We're all over the country. We knew everyone there 'cause he'd been doing this for so many years. So one day we're in. I wanna say it's like Ohio or something and he comes back on the Boston and he goes, hey, I got these crazy eye drops you gotta try now. And I was like, all right. What-- like am I gonna trip? Like what's the deal? Like I don't do drugs so don't make me do drugs right now. He said, no. They're not drugs. They just feel like they kinda sting a little bit but they're really clear your eyes out a bunch. And he was just like throwing them in his eyes constantly. And there in this really-- can you look up like, they're in a pyramid shape container, they're like a triangle like a pyramid triangle and you twist off the top which is really pointy and you drop them in your eye and when you drop-- and so I took one, right? I put it on my eyes and I'm freaking-- oh maybe these are them, maybe Sbarro, the FX Neo eye drops. So I put them in my eyes and I'd never seen anything like this before. You put them in your eyes and they for like 12 seconds, stinging like you wouldn't believe. -Yeah, I've had. Okay, yeah. -And then all of a sudden, it's like you can see-- you believe that you see really clearly. -Yeah. -And I didn't believe it until I tried it and I was like, all right. Well, let me just, I mean, you know, he's like, dude promise, totally harmless. I'm like, all right. I trust you weirdo tour manager guy, you know. And I did it and it was really weird. They stung for a really long time but then when the stop stinging, you feel like, it feels like I've seen through walls and stuff. It was crazy. -Like you could see an HD physically, right? -I mean we see a lot better than a sting. -No, but like things-- have you seen there was like advertisements on TV? -The glasses? -Yeah, those like commercials were like-- -Like HD sunglasses. -See? Everything in HD like super clarity. -For sure. -So this is probably them. These are the FX Neo eye drops. -Yeah, sort of like that. -But I've seen these like Asian-ish eye drops before. This supposed to clear your red eyes too at the same time? -It cleared a lot. -Yeah. -It changed my whole perspective on crap. -Yeah. -It did man, it was wacky. I don't know if I would do it again 'cause I was scared it like burn a layer off my retina. -Yeah. Well, let's get these. Let's get the Miracle Berry eye drops so we can do them on the air. -Let's just do as many weirdo drugs that aren't illegal. -Illegal drugs. Yeah. -Let's try to-- -Yeah. -Nice. -We'll get like synthetic weed, we'll get like-- -Sure. -Like a bunch of toads. -Sure. -What other like weird drugs that these kids doing these days? -I don't know. -Man, this is a naughty episode. -Yeah. -Like I'm just-- -I was just thinking about her right now like this is naughty. I feel bad. -Yeah. -I feel bad for the sponsors. -We haven't suggested anyone do anything illegal. -Yeah. -You can buy something geek. -Yeah, I know. This is totally fun. All right, hurry let's get out here. -Yeah. Okay, let's move on to something a little bit more terrifying. Let's talk about ants. -Yes, this is great. -Yeah, let's talk about bugs in the summertime because everyone knows that bugs-- more bugs come out like crazy in the summertime especially New York, man. I don't know anybody-- and I took an information poll a few weeks ago because I started noticing a few water bugs in my apartment. -Right. -Water bugs being the nice name for cockroaches. -Really? -Yeah. -Those are like slang? -Basically. They're basically the same thing. -Right. -So I started noticing them for a while. I never had any in my apartment before. -Water bugs are the real big-- -Yeah. Like the really fat ones. -They are the ones you can like hear coughing. -Yeah. -You know what I mean? They're like-- what was that in the middle of the night? You just hear like a really loud cough and the bugs out of my bed. -Yeah. They're sorry to wake you up. -Sorry brother. -Yeah. Like a couple of weeks ago, I was like lying in bed and I went over to reach for my power adapter for my laptop-- -No. -And I like rolled over my bed, I was kinda tired. I rolled over and I almost brushed its back like it had a back. Like it-- it like looked at me-- do you know how most insects when you like motion towards them-- -They scatter. -They scatter. This one just went-- this one was like-- -All right. Maybe we're having a fight here. -And then it just like-- I like almost brushed its back and it went like-- -What is that? -And it was like running towards me. -Like a-- they're aggressive man. -Yeah, like moved its wings and started running towards me. Those things are nasty. -Yeah. They're disgusting. -I mean, you know-- -But you know what? They came here first. -They were here first? -Yeah. They're stuck their flag on the ground, first. -Look, people ask, what do you hate most about the summer? Obviously number one, the oppressive heat in the sun. Number two, bugs. -Yeah, there's a lot like mosquitoes running around everywhere. -Freaking worst thing ever happened to me. Hate them. -Well, there's another bug that's gonna really, really upset you. -Ants are bad enough. I can deal with ants, actually. -Right. -I can deal with ants. -Yes-- ants. -Yeah. -The red ones I'm not psyched about but, yeah-- -Bring them on though, right? I'll shop 200 ants at once. -Yeah. -Bring it. -But exterminators actually gonna have to work overtime this summer because there's a new type of ant that's coming out. -Oh, good. -Yeah. A new strain of ants that are smaller. They're an 8th of the size of the average ant. -Oh, cool. Yeah. -Right? -Keep delivering the good news. -Their size makes them smaller to detect, obviously. -Sure. -And it also makes them easier to swarm into larger areas in larger numbers. -Now here's the bad news. -Yeah, that's all the great parts. They're invading the country and they're not only invading our homes. They're invading our electronics because they are attracted to small spaces and heat. -Well now they've gone too far. -And they're called crazy ants. -No. -Yes. Their real name is called Nylanderia Fulva. -Right. -The species that comes from Northern Argentina. -Just flows right off the top. -Right? -Sure. -And that's a little difficult to say scienti-- -Crazy ants. -Colloquial scientist. Have you named them? -The American scientist-- -Crazy ants. Yeah. -Wow, so now this is an ant you would not recognize. -No. -Will you-- you don't even spot them because they're so tiny? -I don't know. Look-- I'm looking at this photo here, this gentleman's-- is very brave gentleman's hand covered in crazy ants. You could see those. -Yeah, I guess you could see them if there's 4,000 on your hand. -See if you can make them out. -Yeah. -So this is what makes them really crazy though, right? -Yeah, why are they called crazy? -So they like to nest in walls and small spaces. -Crazy. -But people have been-- -That's crazy. -It seems like a [unk] bite. -Great, but it's crazy. -But since they really like warm spaces, people have been finding them in their electronics, in their cellphones. So a lot of IT Managers and people that fixed computers are finding them-- -Where? -In-- -But like where in the country? -In motherboards. -No, I know. But where in the country is this a problem. -In Hoboken, New Jersey. -Shut up. -But get this though. They climb into the small areas, right? And since they're in places that have active electronics, they-- when they die, they get electrocuted and then they-- -That's just funny to me-- once they're dead, they're like electrocuted-- crazy ants. -Yeah, they get electrocuted. But then-- -I told you they're crazy. -Their bodies short out the electronics. -What? -Right? Obviously, that's not just crazy. -That's obvious? -Yeah. -I guess if they're-- yeah, this is not-- -But this is the scary part. Is that when they died they excrete a pheromone in their body. -Oh, again. The good news continues. -Yeah. And that pheromone basically sends out a danger signal to their brethren to tell them that they're being attacked, which attracts more ants-- -Really? -To the system. -Why is it attraction and not deterring? Why are they like dangers over there? Stay away. -It's-- I think it's like a fight mechanism, where they're saying, "Hey, Ken. Like-- come and help me out. I'm in danger." -And I travel in like gangs and stuff. -So which attracts more but they're not smart enough to realize that the signals maybe a dangerous one like you're saying. And so they just get hoards and hoards of ants coming and that also get shorted out and die, which is why you get swarmed by ants in your apartment. -I'm not scared of crazy ants. I'm not scared of them. To me, crazy ants are like a million ants going in different directions 'cause they're just crazy and they just don't care if-- they don't live in like, you know, ant hills. -Yeah. -They're just crazy. They live in computers. -And to me, I think just seeing this swarm advance just triggers my like Trypophobia. You guys like have that? It's like where you have like a fear of like repetitive patterns. It's like that. -You have a fear of repetitive patterns? -Yeah. I mean like, it's like a-- Look, check this out. It's like one people have like naturally occurring plants and stuff or one of these things is called like bugs. -Sponges? -Yeah, like sponges for example. -That freaks you out? -Yeah. It's like a legitimate phobia. -You wear pattern clothing. I don't understand. -No. But repeating patterns on clothing is different like, what-- you don't wanna see this kind of stuff? -It's just gross. -Like a lampreys for example. -I don't know what the hell is that? -Lampreys are like insects that have a bunch of like small teeth. -Oh, my God. Why you-- why? -Like sunflowers, where they have like natural patterns. -Oh, and that freaks you out? -I just kinda-- it doesn't freak me out. It just grosses me out, you know, or ticks for example. Have you ever seen ticks collecting on dogs? -Oh, my God that's terrible. -Yeah, those are horrible. -Marty have like a dozen ticks on him last year. We freaked out. -Stuff like that triggers my Trypophobia. -Okay. -But anyway, yeah crazy ants. -Crazy ants-- -Swarming New York this season. -That's it. I can't wait. I really can't wait. Oh, God. How they get here? From what country? -Argentina. -Argentina? -And North Brazil. Southern Argentina and Northern Brazil. -Typical. I don't know what that mean. -But they don't sting though. That's the best part of the stories. And they don't sting and their bite doesn't hurt that much. It's not even as bad as the red ant. So, they're just kinda gross to look at. -Okay. -But don't worry about it. -But you can't get rid of them 'cause you just-- -'Cause they're crazy. -Yeah, they're crazy. -Unless you have masking tape, right? Or duct tape. Those are the best ways to get rid of ants. -Just get them all on little spot. -Uh-hmm. -All right. We're doing one more. -Good. -All right. Let's do one more and then we'll say goodbye. -Okay. -Yes. Have you ever heard of grinders before? -What kind of grinders? -Like a hero? -What? -Oh, like a hoagie? No. -Not like a-- -No. Not a sandwich. -I mean, you should-- like I know here, subs are heroes. -Right. -In other parts of the country they are grinders or hoagies. -Right. -Hoagies and grinders-- they're-- dude. -Navy beans, navy beans. Oh, no grinders are people that dabble in body modifications. -Oh, my God. -Just sort of advance the race of humans through technology. -Like the bagel heads? -Yeah, exactly. It's like people in Japan. -You ever seen them? -No. -It's not like Jews. It's like-- they're like these-- -They're Japanese people. -Japanese Jews. -That injects silicon into their heads. -Right. -To make their-- -Oh, my God. It's so-- -Foreheads protrude to look like-- -Freaking gnarly. -donuts. -Yeah. It's so absurd. It's just-- some cults-- I embrace like every culture abnormality. This is one that I just simply cannot wrap my bagel head around. -Yes. -Sounds crazy. -Like here, check. This is a big one. -Show us the big one. -This is a woman getting injected in her forehead. -And now she's a bagel head. -Yeah. And there they are. -They're like-- "Cool. What are you doing tomorrow? I'm just gonna get like silicon injected into my face and look like a butt hole on my forehead." -Doesn't look cute. Yeah. -It just stays there forever? -No. It goes away after a couple of days, I think. -I think it looks pretty cool. -You're a fool of it, really? -No, the bagel head party. -You're ridiculous. -Yeah. -Anyway, back to this-- -But grinders are a little bit different than a regular body modification, people that are into that kind of thing. Because grinders are more like technological, you know, these are the people like inserting cellphones into their arm and things like that. But there's one man named Rich Lee, a self-professed grinder. He saw page on the internet on instructables.com, you guys know what that is, right? -Yeah. -He saw a page on Instructables on how to make a pair of invisible headphones just by putting a magnet inside your ear canal, totally safe. -Just by putting a magnet in your ear canal. -Right, totally normal. -Yeah, sure. -Putting a small magnet in your ear, putting a coil around your neck that's connected by a wire to an amplifier and the amplifier is connected to your MP3 player, you basically have invisible-- -Small wireless speaker. -Small wireless speaker in your ear, right? -Yeah. -He saw that and just went crazy on them, like it took way too far and decided to have magnets implanted into his eardrum. -And who do you find to do that? -Himself. Him and two other friends and his pictures here that I don't even wanna show to you guys, it's really disgusting. -Thank you. -But he made incisions into a part of his ear called the tragus that's this part right here. -Gotcha-- that weird little flappy thing that sits in front of your ear. -Right. In front of that hole-- ear hole. -It's more connected to your head. -Right. Yeah. -So he put two small slits into there, right? Put a small magnet into it and sort of backup. -I hate him. -Yeah. -Okay. -Really disgusting. -I hate him. So here's a thing. He's legally blind, which is what made him interested in grinding in the first place. -I don't hate him now. He's-- -You think he's asshole or a dick? -You've started off being blind-- -Waiting for you to criticize and then I'll drop that bomb. Oh, you're such an asshole. -But anyway, he's legally blind. Yes. -Okay. I don't-- oh, he's legally blind like Guttenberg legally blind? -Well, I don't know how blind he is. I didn't ask him myself but he's legally blind. -Yeah. -So he implanted this magnet into his ear. This is really crazy. This is what he hopes to do with it. Obviously listen to music so-- obviously is one of the cool thing. -I would imagine. -Great. That's the most obvious thing. But, one step further, he's hoping to hook it up to a directional mic that's hidden inside of his pocket in order to spy on people's conversations both across the room and through walls. -How the hell he knows where to point the microphone? -I guess he's not fully blind. -Okay. There we go. Now I hate him again. -They say-- Isn't that crazy though? -Yeah. -He wants to listen on other people's conversations. He may even privately record those conversations using a microphone embedded in his shirt. -Why would he admit that's what he's trying to do? -That's crazy. -Keep that detail to yourself sir. -Yeah. Or he's thinking about attaching it to a voice stress analyzer app on his phone, which will then get piped through his ears-- through the headphone to let him know when people he's talking to are lying to him. Right? 'Cause it'll detect fluctuations in their voice that probably indicate that the person is telling a lie. -That's a pretty good reason that implant magnet into your ear. -Truly a pioneer. But a weirdo. I'm sorry. This is strange. -Yeah. -I mean, I will admit. I do think we will run into a world not in our lifetimes perhaps but, when Bionic implants are a thing, right? And all that junk-- -Right. But to do it yourself in this really sort of the IOY-- well it looks infected. Yeah. Well, here's the guy-- no, it's not the ear. It's just the guy. So this is what it looks like with the coil exposed, right? This thing around his neck, the coil that vibrates to get sound into his ears, normally gonna be hid it underneath his jacket or something like that. -But this is the guy would totally trust normally anyway. He looks like a completely average guy. -Why do these people have to look so freaking evil? -Yeah. -He's not blind. He's looking straight at you. -Yeah, he's looking right at the camera. He's not afraid of the camera, freaking liar. -And he's got a newspaper behind too that he was reading. -And he was able to like, you know, annotate the freaking photo. -He's looking right at the camera. -He's looking right at the camera. He's like, "hi." -You jerk, he could probably feel where the lens is on his camera, right? -Feel where the lens is? -Yeah. Look, if I was blind, I could probably be like, "Oh, there's a camera right here. I supposedly didn't look right into it." -Great. Why are you-- -You could just feel where the camera is. -You're not supposed to do like blind eye, you did that. -I know. -You did that. You saw that when he opened his eyes, you made them all crossed-eyed and weird? You can't do that. -Dude, I know. -You did. -I didn't do that. -You're not supposed to do that. -That's funny. -That's how-- my eyes normally. -You're only supposed to do that if you're like trying to win an Oscar or something. -Do what I did. -I'm not doing that. -What did I do? -Just look at the bridge of your nose and that's what you did. We gotta get outta here guys. Pull the plug. Pull the plug on the program, okay? -He was just like and-- -866-404-CNET. -Robert Downey Jr. could do it. -He didn't do it. When did he do that? -Oh, who played Rain Man? -He wasn't blind. He was autistic. Dustin Hoffman. -He can't play an autistic person. He's not really autistic in real life. -I understand but you can't-- we're not gonna-- -[unk] did it. He put in a mental-- -I am Sam. Yeah. You're right. -But Justin, you can do it too. I guess. -Yeah, 'cause you're the next person in that list of people. [unk]. -Justin Yu. -Justin. -And everyone was like "Who?" -Is that most evil show ever been. -It's freaking evil. 866-404-CNET, the firstname.lastname@example.org Follow us on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and check out our Google Plus community. All right? Do that for us. -Sorry blind listeners. -We do have a couple of blind listeners. -I think we do. Yeah. -They laugh though 'cause remember, we have that controversy way back. We made nice-- -What do we do? What did you do? -It was something-- that was Wilson. -You're playing man. -We're back on Monday, so check it out only Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday shows for next week. We're off for 4th of July. -And 5th of July. -Yeah. That's when we're off for. So we're back Monday. Ariel, we'll see you on July 8th. -Yes, I will be back. -All right. Awesome. Have a great weekend guys, trying to keep cool out there. We'll see you on Monday. I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Ariel NuÃ±ez. -This has been the 404 Show, high tech, low brow and we're sorry. We're just gonna apologize preemptively. -Yeah. -And we'll see on Monday.