Ep. 1289: Facebook's momentary lapse of evil
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Ep. 1289: Facebook's momentary lapse of evil

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As well as -- as. When he technologies now on here it's -- -- well welcome to buzz out loud is cnet's podcast and eternally episode 12109 today we have a special welcome -- there -- and is -- but -- Shannon -- -- Hak5. -- it basically we're being invaded by -- -- -- being -- please don't hurt us. The coast and your phone's airplane -- have to -- with the our number one story today. Such as it is FaceBook. Is doing -- -- solid or today FaceBook has come out against the cool and Verizon proposal. To -- wireless and cellular networks from the the rules of never neutrality of their they're talking about. FaceBook says basically that that FaceBook -- to -- principles of net neutrality for both. Landline and wireless networks preserving an open Internet that a successful -- innovators. Regardless of size and wealth and -- -- FaceBook talking keep mine yet will promote a vibrant and competitive marketplace that are that are etc. -- is FaceBook actually making up for all their privacy snubs -- That's up your stuff on Twitter it's nice. What's it. I hate you did this is so weird to wrap my head around because I -- had a good group -- double take is that FaceBook doing something good. Because in my world I I kind of had it all figured out where you know you've got. Google who's not evil. Particularly they -- they are until they are correct and then you've got Microsoft what people but now they're not cool enough visible from evil and then there's FaceBook whose you don't just blatant evil -- people. Yeah and now they're doing good and and then just to amber break -- but they do appoint him FaceBook -- -- -- FaceBook is 500 billion users. If FaceBook is not. Doesn't have the market heft of Google or Verizon and if they have to pay for access over wireless for example this is not in their interest -- and referenced two yesterday and all us which story about of Verizon and Google -- into the FCC hey you know we. You know these these principles of the open Internet where they just gonna leave out the whole wireless thing to be a wild west -- FaceBook it says in this article that they continue to support net neutrality and both landline and wireless networks and and if and I agree with FaceBook -- puberty and either. Well you know this in this and it's a great everybody's agreement FaceBook somebody's gotta that's just gonna scare into and out and -- well. An -- I mean. They'll though. Wireless and the the I'm -- here it's not that you thought that these -- the reason that the wireless should be treated any different in the wired it's not like that it's not like you -- errors in place because it's the same on -- that's exactly to the carriers are saying you are crying poverty is what they're doing -- saying we don't have enough -- Now let's keep in mind the the same as keys that -- -- to five gigabytes -- -- -- -- two gigabytes a month of the Internet now and one of the arguments. Going around about why wireless can be. Privatized and not. Open in the same -- -- wired is is because it's all private as opposed to the wired Internet which was built mostly off of public funds and then kept open -- -- -- also using private ISP right and the other point of course is that the spectrum is doled out. By the FCC so -- -- -- actually regulate what it is a public resource. And and so it and why does it get to be privatized and completely privatized in this way it's focusing it it shouldn't and we hope it does what I loved it case put your timing in. And and -- in this discussion. Or continue this discussion weighing in and I'm sure that in the weeks to come we will see more companies. You know go ahead and and put together their stance so it's it's nice to see FaceBook though. Going to -- for us although it's really just a matter of time before they do more evil. I thought oh come on let's get get a little -- on their own terms -- yep they're gonna get -- with our with our privacy one way or another and looks like the next -- -- going to be doing it is with our location data. Oh yeah exactly. Won't. FaceBook of course does not yet have -- check in app. Now Caroline McCarthy over at that social at CNET says that -- long rumored deal if -- -- -- feature FaceBook is coming out shortly within weeks. According to sources. FaceBook tried to buy according to her own story foursquare which is becoming the preeminent -- -- even you can technically you're not even that. But the FaceBook tried to -- -- -- 120 million dollars. Foursquare wanted to 150. And the deal fell part over thirty million bucks I mean what 39 dollars at the conference -- -- If you know I was gonna -- to launch later and -- just -- -- you might on the thirty million I'm totally obsolete if -- so anyway it with foursquare are not becoming part of FaceBook FaceBook really needs local chicken because that you know the mobile Internet mobile social networks are the future. FaceBook has great mobile apps but they don't yet have this I am here now feature the -- does it -- that concept belongs inside FaceBook clearly. Both very much the same way when you know Twitter came on the scene the same facility was within FaceBook to do your status or -- several other different kind of blogging -- that weren't this micro blogging phenomenon. It would. You know who what what -- be today if you know -- insular years they sold for 150 million. So I'm not saying that I think that's that foursquare is the next -- -- but I think that they've got a lot more legs. Think the foursquare has long legs as well -- there marathon play. On the other hand FaceBook versus foursquare is FaceBook could -- -- I like foursquare in the sense that it users. -- -- -- I think FaceBook -- like -- like -- -- in the sense that there -- that you underdog. In this race but yeah they won't get squashed but you know there -- also be fun casualties along the way of people that -- the same people that don't understand the privacy right now on enough FaceBook or. We're not going to understand any better when all the sudden every you know where that there. Checking in and stuff like that -- the -- Given that Kato April's over fund you know data -- and yet. Not only does FaceBook have a lot of users that it has a lot of users that are already used to using FaceBook wherever they are exactly things that it is easily -- they are absolutely learn any -- and -- India iron and I'm sure ambient Facebook's interest you make it very easy for them in there -- posed you know functionalities phone whenever. To you add that right there and make it very easy and make it -- and -- -- They've got to get there they're developer's back them -- the -- that the team or the person with behind the iPhone app. The FaceBook iPhone app which is quite good -- and it only now come around to coming out with an Android app which apparently good much better -- -- before. One of the -- things about this deal -- talking about. Is that they're going to do this by opening up location APIs not necessarily doing their own app. Now as if I were developer of -- like okay so FaceBook is now making it possible for me to create FaceBook app that allows location -- and cool but. How long until that gets killed by Facebook's own internal. And it's easier to put -- make I had had somebody else the -- -- -- or you. But you gotta -- you look at what's happening on Twitter right. Where all these cool apps come out and interest that we know we're gonna roll that right in -- and -- you've got to scramble for new business model product began realizing -- competing with. You know. The operation that gave you -- you -- like -- to begin with. Then -- like you know what we want a -- that you. Are right when we come back. Zynga on fewer platforms -- Farm bill apparently was on platforms other than FaceBook including Amazon games and I say wasn't I really yes they'll figure. And I say was advisedly because -- has removed farm bill from MS and games saying it -- and doing well enough. Which then why would they remove it doesn't cost them anything and -- -- Bamboozled by the story maybe just a -- people take to go too well with though that's right FaceBook the same people that they were like in our own. You don't cut us a good deal we might leaving your own thing -- don't need you baseball maybe its because they got such a good deal this is part of the back -- deal with FaceBook says are a good idea ill let you -- but you gotta kill him -- -- in the process the -- notice the -- some sort of a deal with Google potentially for who -- as well. Some like now that's right -- remember but I gotta say. The article suggests that it was cut because it just wasn't doing the numbers as a right yeah in fact what I read -- -- in games like. Who is that would zone is that still around people I know I know. So. I could I could see them do may be better on like Yahoo! games but. But yet that this Ide for it to me the way that every -- is that all right thank you can't roll your own you -- and you can you wonder if -- -- was being -- -- is -- -- -- about -- how many numbers that they actually -- for their -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- When it hits -- servers and -- I get this figured I mean. The thing is it doesn't cost months. If anything to deliver a game onto -- platform but you do need people to support and maintain it. And maybe find that on this particular platform I'm gonna name names here -- you know. Any platform that all the users they are really high maintenance -- -- State Department. Yeah I -- if you've got a complicated game on a network like -- well -- think argument. Then -- -- supportive they help people let's pull off cause there's not so maybe with that and -- -- calculation or maybe -- backroom deal. Who knows anyway. So it just go back to FaceBook where you know your privacy squashed you complete your farm bill forever -- you 500 million people. A super secret or not so secret lab over to Amazon -- 126. On his and hiring like mad and apparently. Building new devices other than the Kindle I can't wait to see if this is -- can't wait -- with a come up with but considering all the people -- hiring. It looks like Amazon wants to -- in the hardware business than a big way. And Amazon just released their own just a while ago -- -- kind of like hardware. What was Amazon essentials I think it was where. They've got -- USB cables and all of those other things that are like house branded now -- like -- -- exactly like best buy does so. You know I could see. Yeah I'm totally fine with Amazon being a a gadget maker that's really cool well within -- -- Morgan -- and oh yes. That'll get hacked into -- I mean one thing if they. Build. Tablets and other readers -- net access devices or medium movie device -- -- medical -- people if they're just doing cables and USB helplessly snorkel you know they could just -- those from you know whatever well I mean manufacturers in China they're developing devices that allow you to buy. From their store easily so let's think about I mean -- baton. -- found. -- -- I think they -- where I went with that and I don't know of the I don't think the amateur it. Yeah I don't think the Android Android. If this was the Amazon. Actually does the bar code scanning with C and militants in their immediately but but is that there's I don't like them -- you -- bar code scan on it for an Android app it's like. Okay I'm in the store yeah and I see something that I want sidebar -- like Amazon that you get here for less -- somebody else when you go to red laser. And you can finally get a lot of places of an Amazon so that that's kind of yeah but here's the thing that Amazon has that one click shopping and I was just you know when it when it's not just my first impressed with dude total speculation wouldn't be cynical thinking that would put a device. Where you could like. You go into store do the thing and it just look book here's the cheapest price on Emma is just a button to the body -- and -- understand and apply button but it. But then it would be the cute. Not necessarily at that we -- -- a little bit from them. That you point out that that in chat room. Andrew eloquent that the Android of the Amazon app does have bar code scanner. So you can basically go to your best buy or you know whatever -- you want see something like scan it and buy it on Amazon better start charging admission if you bring year year. Smartphone into best buys like a -- and used as a catalogue. And not -- from -- fine you can come route that -- soleil the right. Speaking of other devices plastic logic remember those guys are making a high priced and very cool. Name your book sexy thing it's he has very different the it's you and Q and as you say who was pretty channel the Q otherwise it's difficult -- -- -- -- It's gone it's over the Canadian version. -- if you ordered it you're not gonna get it. Plastic logic at the sides realize that the took on too long to get this thing out the door it was -- -- but it drop in -- thing. CEO Richard. -- should let us says the -- dramatically changed and with the delays we have experience that no longer makes sense for us to move forward their first generation electronic read. Still first generation still -- -- went for generations of e-book reader yes John. It was too expensive. Well evil creators come -- that was CES 2010 we got -- when he unethical about the tablet and the tablets are -- creators hidden and but just like the idea. Just like that -- can when it died I want this now. Not now that you have a soft spot for you know I have a solid and open hardware yes I get up. You know give give it a couple years I'll have a shelf just like yours now yeah you rate has palm pilots on yourself I haven't -- -- little dial. Via and I still no graffiti. -- that we're fortunes have investors who were confident committed to our company's long term success in commercializing plastic electronics. So maybe plastic logic future is not in direct devices but providing technology to other companies. You know perhaps Amazon's lab with when he -- -- malevolent 27 and just by these guys know bring that technology is it's actually that good -- -- and but he said he's seen it I played with it is it is Italy and are notably better than the -- now knows. Screen is primarily in late it you know it's still black and -- and it reads things just the same as other and -- It was focused more towards your business buyers. -- that's and that's that's -- worked for its overpriced he is definitely look at what it's like if Apple were to do when you reader it was that that I mean this is super and yet it was really and it was lightweight in his -- Compact and -- Chinese. -- All -- -- under a premium for trying you know what else is shining. Adults drink you really love this device I love it now this is between your device it's too big to be a phone is too small to be tablet but everybody who sees this device which news by the -- that. -- it's going on sale August 13. On what network. AT&T -- how come on really I know I really feel more anyway 300 bucks on contract by fifty off but apparently people who use it love it. I yeah I've I've played with in fact. I -- the rev three offices of -- playing with and I walk up and and though. Dude is that one of those Archos. That runs enjoyed that is so cool and then -- picked up and I'm like. Wouldn't be so cool this was a phone and I'm hoping it's my thought might merely as a joke -- the think it's huge -- and play games and -- and -- bigger and -- -- It is -- -- And I'm -- Because you think about it lately I need a call on this thing last week and and maybe one more the week before yeah they. I'm on on your on what you're idea right and I really think -- nearly he's my phone as a phone right and this is it's almost as if Dell's engineers went around measuring people's pockets or something because its -- The idea -- glad I don't have that up. They have this discussion like a year ago about -- cellphones are a little bit Houston on would be that there just vigorously deal all of your browsing Lan and again and I don't think your little four inch -- egos and and destroyed. Axes or. We're quite there I mean if you can go big you know three point seven -- -- Detroit four point three for the the acts let's just open up -- how. I'd be the standard -- as big as you can get without it being unwieldy. You can actually potentially type on the screen at that point is these are big enough and don't know -- just. Go gracefully in your pocket you know yeah offered girl with smaller company. NASA has my review when I they're gonna strap -- and you know where. Oh crap yeah that rapidly into -- Eileen -- from hackers -- something happens and -- kind you'll hear the -- yes. If it's definitely you know or -- or your -- -- fireplace -- Now let my coat is a little brown but. Let me just say that the curriculum this thing though is not only is only shipping with Android one point six yeah but it's gonna be -- critical. It's okay our area later this year error okay now I'm sure will be but it when you get it you want it to be awesome and it's yeah like how -- yet and the other thing is. It's kind of a mishmash. Like old attack -- new attack like the camera well it's nice isn't like as good as it could be and the screen is the thing that kills me sure I think that's great. But it's the same resolution as -- three point seven don't know really if I suspect it's a phone for up blockers like me is that data -- yeah yeah okay I really tiny screen that's where they missed the boat so -- no well I mean I would never -- carrier for another device if it were on Verizon I would totally think about it but that does the rest of them for me so. The question I have on this device now when their iPhone when we first -- hearing about the iPad I was like -- negative on that's like come on you know -- doesn't do anything we can't do -- applies to expense above about Obama make I played with one I -- -- and I got -- and I love it. Is this a device that -- -- that works in practice but doesn't make sense in theory -- like the iPad does. Well but it's it's definitely slicing between devices because it's too small to be -- cavalier but it's too big to be a cell phone. -- -- you know if Apple showed us anything that's what they do I mean they're like maybe that's how magical device he didn't know that you needed that it's somewhere in between what you already have and you already have. -- while -- it's interesting to see that were now finally finding that in between your devices can work I thought that would never happen. We'll see good luck -- we'll see -- look at -- -- -- it works I think that the. And the problem is this -- HP has told its employees and meaning that their web OS tablet is coming -- Q1 2011. Come on what's taken so long I guess have been a palm OS the level -- tablet. Which is cool I mean we're all waiting to see this device and oh I'm kind of excited about it has personally I really liked the web -- interface when I played with them upon. -- I -- -- with the tablet looks like how much it costs I want to see developers pick it up as if they don't it's not gonna last very long. And another tablet coming out Samsung. It's coming out of there and mailing it in early in shortly this is an Android tablet of course and -- -- And -- accused the Android tablet grade eighth -- -- the death it's been called the S pad. That's bad that's -- you know at least it's got a -- gamers something yes I love this thing. So more tablets coming in 2011 will be an interest thing the year -- tablets as a well speaking of hand held devices. And all you people think you know my hand held -- -- and all that stuff there is a new Trojan in the wild for Android phones this is this is actually. A coming of age story for Android. Yeah there -- is saying that this is that no this is actually that this means -- -- it has made it because there is now a Trojan -- actually making -- -- a Trojan in the wild for Android phones and it's not so good it's only in Russia right now. But it's out there it's spreading and and now Norton and semantic and all those guys like -- market. Yeah I'm -- this is good to me this is a slowing -- a -- This integrated Trojan is just an application that you have to install outside of the market place of -- so it doesn't just show in the marketplace you have to download a PK file right and then you also have to go into your settings menu and -- click it developer of things so that you're even allowed to do -- -- there's so many steps involved into getting this Trojan. Well Android however however any time the use and install any. It's let's go back in there and remove it so I could I could very easily see some you know because departing underneath those right is that you can get most respected market but you can also get step outside of the -- itself. It -- someone activating it something else in downloading what they became not have been activated. But you're right it's -- -- and that's. And and what it actually ends up doing it only really affects people in Russia right now because it and -- sending text messages to a premium number right there and you'll have made the Trojan and that -- -- -- But people -- the thing -- -- thing about this is that despite all these conflicts that have to go through people are actually installing and all it is is that the little media player application that's what it looks like the Trojan nature optical media player app. And people to -- early steps to install and then it starts texting and running at the -- right but it never tells going to put that up and even though it's what it's like an -- aren't being open for everybody yeah that's what they signed up for when they got the app though now they signed up for immediate where Apple -- no that's what it looked like -- -- -- to install up. It says you know something like okay so this one says I I don't know I just click the first -- in the thing a car. In the when you hate. -- -- Once -- my location in my storage and telecommunications and phone calls but this is why almost always authorizations is that people look at these things they -- really want it because it does X. And I'll just click yes on these things because you know it doesn't do those things though. Whatever people don't think about these things and if -- and they think if I denied this and I don't check this thing in my app won't work and they do anyway. That's the whole thing that computer uses learned a long time ago it's like. If the security warning pops up -- think -- People have to re learn a -- and then campers he -- thing that they're going to have an Android mobile security suite and 111 and I don't like that idea because really. You were forewarned when you install the application -- think Android needs. A I think it's built well enough with the permissions that has that it doesn't actually need this and if anything it just kind of hurts the image. To make people think that -- enjoyed it more like a PC where you have to have an antivirus yeah yeah well I'm not on. And there's no reason why this couldn't be remotely wiped you know -- -- -- requested you know or -- through going to mean eating at him. -- Epson where our cars won't let me this is the best story in the lineup -- one. Cars and there buried the lead. Yeah I know to put this on at the -- I love the story researchers that directors university in University of South Carolina have discovered that wireless. Tire pressure sensors which term mandatory in all -- 2008. Can be used as an avenue to hack a car's electronics. Not just sending it -- tire pressure reading information but getting deeper into the cars electronics this is. The scariest and coolest story I read in -- -- -- we're here makes me. How you know -- use -- could give them the ability hackers to the ability to both the noise. And -- like wipers honked horns and even disable the brakes but that's not over the tire. -- What we yeah that was an if you hack OK okay so you're not gonna reprogram the ECU over the -- Wireless thing but good. Now so but the thing is that this is just you would think that tire pressure data -- just telemetry many cans and control -- through there. But you can't get in there and telling a car that it has like no pressure in -- Or all tires can really mess up -- driving experience and it could arguably. If a car reads one tires being very low could recalibrate the -- the news that the -- system. To. To compensate for that and it could call the safety issue DOS is an art but Logan. Surprise -- dated notice this when they were making. Making automobiles. I hope you think you know if you putting a wireless link into a car's computer you would put some security on top of you know you did well. Figure my favorite part of this article where it says that the researcher used equipment costing 15100 dollars including a radio sensor and special hardware to eavesdrop on an interfere with. The -- tire pressure sensor monitoring systems essentially what they've done is a man in the middle attack using -- hardware. The US are peep from added this is the -- piece of hardware that refused to do the GSM hacked it was all last week at Defcon so what -- really -- -- from this is going to be well. Thankfully the Q what are we gonna have to get Norton -- reversed in our -- now know what we need to do is start treating all. Data especially wireless data with the same kind of security that we treat you know our our network data and I'm not saying that it's great but you know. I wouldn't be surprised if there was no check -- or the weakest like -- -- them or something stupid. Involved in to authenticate adding that these -- the tires that you're looking for. And this device the US -- opens up so many wonderful. Avenues of hacking because essentially before it was just because people didn't how. The means to write certain pieces of -- more inject. Inject stuff into arbitrary -- radio spectrum and now. With something like that you could potentially have fun with lots of systems that I'm sure have -- executed you've been into a was called -- an era. And you whip up an -- Brad yeah. Right and you get the little -- You get your order you get the pocket and pop hybrid myself oh yeah right there's a start there's a place them the American -- where those little console spectators but I guarantee you that -- no security on this thing in fact. Fifteen -- your dollars you could sit here at the back and find one -- because -- -- that code and then just to a replay attack. A -- go while you're gonna get me in trouble because I know market here arrest currently take a couple of good since trip to figure out how to make a small hotel occupancy tax. -- -- -- -- -- Remember that movie where you know all the phones -- once. -- There anyway. Although both are all needed new paradigm then as far as going forward right is that the more. Wireless we build in every single nook and cranny of the more -- -- security standard or something has to be built into those things as well because. Whereas before it may once again -- the type of thing even consider it now it's got a harsh reality that people like you guys -- out there. And our. We don't think putting all I'm saying is you can't count on security through obscurity just to -- -- who's gonna have the hardware to well now we deal right absolutely. So it's gonna be fun to see how this -- up because this is not the last we have seen a -- like that now. And they're doing the research they're actually presenting their research later this week in -- the only one who's really really interested in various states of kindness they don't answer faithful where that it real death. It's at the. -- next security conference yes wall there don't take an airplane don't pick dark plastic thing -- I don't know electronics you know we always say that jokingly but I gotta be honest hackers of the nicest people you'll ever meet and -- -- an argument that floating around right now -- the only reason that the United States and the world's Internet. It's still functioning is because of the ethical framework the most actors. Use which is like we are in this that -- does on find a flaw we tell right 86 it's in Washington DC -- and we're gonna have to send you an assignment. Have -- I think that. It's a during that dates it's starting right now. Sorry that's not -- Anyway let's. Not knowing actors we managed to keeping -- like okay yeah right so quickly is Twitter is announcing this interesting new feature that is allowing you to follow. Twitter accounts even if you don't have a Twitter count yourself which is new this is on on phones you can follow via SMS. So this is kind of cool because it say there is a natural disaster and there's a Twitter accounts keep everybody updated. You could just follow those people on basically any phone I think that's great yes I have a lot of friends friends of friends from college and high school. Who I still keep in contact with you don't wanna -- player because they don't know who to follow. Or they don't know who's gonna follow them and they're just like -- it's boring for me but this would be great aren't they wanna have to sign up -- they would still be able to followed you know their local. Businesses are emergencies. Broadcast programs or whenever they need to -- as identified as an easy Gateway. The Twitter system you just have what one friend but it certainly was and could instead of you're -- up to legislate -- if she if you're the only one of interest on Twitter right to her. But as for the emergency services are concerned. I don't buy that whatsoever you know -- there was an earthquake with an athletes with. With information for you agree now I'm sorry there's an earthquake while you're gonna get it nine and I mean I I. Fail whale no I have to dispute -- It during the LA fires there was a very useful Twitter account that told people what roads were open and close where the shelters were. And all and that is that it wasn't you very valuable I read that it's useful in that sense but hopefully if if emergency services are seriously thinking considering using. Twitter as an official means of disseminating important information that are already in and we get that on the separate Twitter like it doesn't fail -- Twitter -- well but there is that. In other Twitter news Twitter is official rising to make an official version of the tweaked button there -- the retreat button. And once again undermining another Twitter business though right we mean in this case now the eating their young again -- yet again our. Rate of -- that awesome service there are thousands and hundreds of millions of people using this it's so great. And we've got the opening PI so you can develop some Austin's code for you know I think you know -- you're gonna you're gonna kill it. Well I don't trust -- and I want you to write some amazing innovative stuff that -- -- -- tell -- what haven't already amazing innovative stuff and then you by my company. Well hopefully that's what's happened here because we don't know one -- -- another yet on whether or not this is like official relationship with. We mean we mean being out of folks that put together the the little briefly buttons that you -- -- of the web which are good stuff but I think a look at the code on on the new official one. And an effect the light in it's easy it's easy to -- and -- -- any website yeah you could just put in your blog post rating each you know right and it's just like the little line of html. And you can say what you are only one to go to you what you want the text would be if you wanted to have a ideally -- somebody else that stuff. -- speaking of stuff that we all need that Motorola -- to what you hear about forever. It's coming out an event or 2.2 swipe keyboard which is cooled to a development conference end. Hold your horses there'll be an. Is it thirty seem like an RCDs you can. I would be -- value -- none -- I think it's gonna have a little picture of our two on the back and make little beeping noises well. But -- -- with math on this should this should put the -- -- the whole Lucas you know week patented the word Android when. With some deal there so get it now. Art we found that data version the one I can't take the one that can't -- can't. I think that one cannot -- can't yes but now. I don't know if the boy genius report is right about the toward -- might be able to wait till November of this for gingerbread you know three point election you don't want you don't -- new version. I don't know what he did not -- -- there it -- start yeah I don't know I just gonna have to turn off my targeting computer it's. So the last story here for -- voice -- since it's that are yesterday there was a big of Internet explosion about this gal who quit her job via a 33 photo. Photo -- say. Think basically that her boss was a sexist jerk and spent all his time reading -- -- -- -- farm bill. Very very funny stuff kind of -- -- on the Internet and then it's revealed that is actually. Just the hoax yeah. Anyway though with a little thing I don't know who put it on. They've done this kind of thing before and it is not real. Random. Anyway I'm -- this mean will be with us for quite -- -- I like that I jumped on the jetBlue thing airplane. At the that was real yes that's definitely -- story with. Are we got a quick email from like about the would -- a keyboard voicemail. I don't know what your problem is with the idea that keyboard on the back to the device I mean I haven't iPad looking forward owning a Dell streak -- I really can't wait to see the mock up for -- Microsoft creature and. You know that happy ending. Short and somewhat -- That's the way to do it -- -- -- rather call Richard I love that that's that's the voicemails we need edge sent us an email saying I've listened to your discussions about net neutrality over the last few days. I fear you're looking at the wrong end of the tubes. To paraphrase -- praised the late senator Stevens. Sorry about that but went. Anyway why would Google pay Verizon or any. One else to prioritize traffic on YouTube isn't -- more likely that Google -- Verizon for the privilege of carrying Google products. In isn't. This the most obvious way to monetize FaceBook regional -- after all this is what developed in the cable satellite business which has its own version of Google called -- the end. Whether you watch any of the channels are not if you have cable or satellite service you are paying about twenty dollars a month for ESP -- -- -- must have. And ESPN three is an Internet channel -- is only -- those eyes is the pay for. What's to prevent Google or anyone else that front on that on the net from doing the same thing would be technically easy. I could do it the must have would include Google FaceBook use and -- -- Structurally the Internet look -- cable TV which if anything is more capacity constrained the most eyes -- content is king. A faster connection is useless without content download. This is an interesting point there's another interest in email here a lot of we got -- several very interesting and thoughtful -- -- -- -- net neutrality debate there and got another one. Exactly here from -- he wrote in to say that he could not help but laugh them has Morris Molly. Who's -- -- as. -- argued for a free and open Internet unencumbered by any traffic or priorities -- based in traffic type. And then her Skype call fell apart on the air. Of course if the Internet could prioritize voice calls over web pages loads or ftp connections -- -- Skype wouldn't it be experiencing the dropouts. He goes on to say that I do not believe that there will ever be enough bandwidth. For the Internet traffic and let someone invents -- and what. Because. Because of this it makes sense to treat traffic. That is sensitive to latency and packet drops differ from other traffic to maintain an open Internet ISPs should not prioritize one webpage traffic over another. But in many cases prioritizing types of traffic will enable a better overall user experience. And how to keep people from -- would be pretty Turkey he also goes on to say PS. I didn't -- never write in but since I worked on the ice teas they handle traffic inside of -- base stations just out of comment. Oh and we allow vendors to configure several levels of traffic priority of course this is what's known as Q -- lesser quality of service right now what this is what you're talking about on CNET live little later today but yeah. But this is what Schmidt was. What -- was talking about these things we we don't want to. Filter or prioritize by -- content provider but we might want to -- content -- The question is this how to prevent people of course it does. The question is how to prevent people from spoofing it so that you know my eight. You know funny video it somehow tagged as high priority medical data and it gets through better it's gonna be interest. Yeah well everything to go over port eighty JK LOL. And we had in another email. With reference to episode 1280 mentioned that Apple already has some patents for touch controls on the back of devices while how cool would it be -- to be able to zoom and -- your browser as a -- with your fingertips that are are -- on the back here iPhone iPad when you. When you normally are viewing it. Plus there'd be much less fingerprints on the front screen iPhone for -- has a -- back how car how hard can it be -- from England on the show from. My question about this is what about my -- her. Oh you mean then you bumper would be useless yeah -- in the -- is will be useless. And you -- you're really -- smudges on the front I don't have to worry about sledges because now I'm not gonna look at the back of iPhone -- that we're. -- touch screens that are gonna be able to such a device that knowing it you're touching yes oh yeah. All right so -- let's see here today for Blackberry. Users we have this question for you we talked earlier about Amazon developing new devices. What do you think those might be -- throughout a few ideas but let us know what you think. So this -- via Blackberry messenger -- pin is 24523. C 65 what else is Amazon going to built in their secret labs of do room. Let us know who -- thanks for joining us think you Aaron always pleasure. It very much you can find awesome Hak5 -- over H a K the number five dot org where you we've got great -- on coverage and more network goodies coming up this week. Coolness it's it's. All right and you know I'll that -- -- that cnet.com for all the information about the show you know exposes cnet.com or this was now 8061626. We -- things -- yes we all of our.

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