Dialed In #148: The $30 Android smartphone

And though -- Wednesday October 27 2010 you're listening to you dialed in in itself and podcast I'm your host I think it'll court. In studio today -- Kent German. I can't I and ethically and and all it. And as always we are assisted by technical producer in -- unions. And on HI is out on assignments that an excellent in the -- I'm very -- actually. It is very tests on the secret things we'll tell you more about that later on -- we can -- in the meantime a lot of him -- right thing announcement today. Carriers and manufacturers are definitely starting to prep for the holiday sales and if Apple leopard itself and madness have. An extra again. -- -- Has a secret events -- sometimes you in New York on November 8. They are going to reveal a new Android. We don't know much about it but it we will be covering that it will be at 3 PM Pacific time. On November the -- if there watching movies Monday. They say -- it is coupled with the format -- really excited a lot of stuff that's happening and also he's I have Ernesto yeah. -- -- for me the year. What is your actual bring him at eleven. And -- -- a -- Avenue -- and -- -- -- -- eleven well next field mile next year maybe 111111. Now. Having a party planning could -- -- yeah. -- -- That speaking about my favorite month and and -- is releasing a black variable. You know I think it's ignoble -- until little bit about well. Check this is the black -- 9780. Is it -- be the third Blackberry to have the last six the first with the -- the -- -- -- -- sorry. The second was the style and this is -- -- one. It's available for a one -- -- nine -- nine from T-Mobile. And I think this is he Mobil's first and only six. -- and so I yet know just the usual bold foreign factor -- standard. Very yeah nothing right -- -- flip you know Larry let that stuff that's slated. A very nice -- they got keyboard pretty run of the mill Blackberry acting gigabyte Andy. And it's with the if you use this is by because the camera -- I know the usual. Half a gigabyte of onboard memory is pretty to use it and he has why five you must support it means you can meet calls. The LY which is adamant he mobile unique being in it. So yeah it's available November 70. -- -- -- And on the HTC its -- Seven is also coming out on November -- Apple before about 200 dollars. Any surprise Samsung hesitant on the same day yeah. Its own code into the evening this is a windows phone seven the vice Bonnie covered -- a little bit back with a little while ago would be. Launch of there. Windows phone seven phone. As -- phones and and through windows just getting back to that. So again we're expecting -- problem on November -- for about 200 dollars with a two year contract after a fifty dollar meal and -- Four point three inch touch screen that is right Hebrew word in. Pretty nice and New Zealand processors and actually and I -- usually mean those. And -- -- radio. It definitely slacker actually really like -- Netflix app and you. Yeah there as substitutes. 90. We'll keep our eyes out -- -- definitely. And -- you have the more pricing information -- -- -- Motorola defy. Yeah. Can -- before that the defied the -- -- one of them Motorola's rugged phones its its its Android. And it's finally getting pricing it's available for 99 dollars 99 cents -- -- -- which is to think next Monday at the Wednesday -- And so they get is issued to Android two point clients Motorola's new -- -- -- phase. We've mentioned before finding that the -- -- Yemeni support. I'm so overall kind of a decent looking -- acting to have one. In theory use mean so. With him about it -- -- this pairing with that's pretty yes I asked him I think. -- -- Acting four inches from the I advocate and and it's crystal talk I think adding crystal -- -- works I've yeah and I'm actually quite impressed by it. Cynical and makes the phone ragged. And they did they say it's as -- the site bumpers in the back of it is. It's rubberized was this the one -- at the Motorola. Motorola press conference they show the video violent cancers the idea of -- and I tell you I'm so -- there are commercials where it's a bunch of -- Cool people having finally got some party Munich was so interesting let's take photographs of ourselves let's email -- to each other and think seriously people did not interest. By -- it defies supposedly they -- getting wet again alien and in the next and the supposedly the next morning the phone's ringing and it's by the into the cool and -- still Latin. It is just -- phone -- the bottom of the pool this is the phone a Motorola debut and Oprah. -- it that everybody in the audience and economic acting I think maybe didn't mention. And actually -- particular crystal talk -- Motorola's features that. You can it puts it. Makes for clear call quality going to what -- -- -- -- of -- ninth so what they've done news I tested this at CES when -- And the -- and -- sound well -- soundproof Booth it was a sound Booth. So he went inside his phone -- type thing and -- -- -- I was very loud there's always background noise and then you made a call -- and they -- a call to you and and you heard a recording the colonists actually pretty good on the drowned out a lot of the backwardness and I could hear them very hear me. And they can hear me I think it's critical feature. So much like you know. The beauty pageants with which in the soundproof Booth but that's the sound sound the. I don't know anything that allowed -- allowed to -- them yeah yet it's so that the fighting since it's water resistant and best. And sort of like in between -- in. You're Catholic and like I found -- yes sonim XP one back in since it's pretty camera over with a car yeah now the you can track our story within -- -- wrote this actually a pretty decently priced phone an Android phone for about a hundred dollars. But how about an Android phone for about thirty dollars -- that's -- -- It around I think this may be added to keep the -- I can remember. And -- Which would which one of those terms is LG optimists yeah it is -- is -- most expensive ridiculous thing -- already. And in under somebody's I had usually he needed the I think that 49 but -- -- just 29 dollars and ninety cents. Available from key moment -- -- if you missed. Yeah it's given the entry level one which is why I guess it's so. Inexpensive but it's. Decent specs view and end at 2.2. Two point seven inch HT TE treaty display Wi-Fi keep my pretty sizable display that is not that really -- -- -- -- -- as the mobile Wi-Fi support -- -- as a -- like -- hot -- for up to -- devices. Still it's -- good Smartphone even even quoted human as clinically and you know all I think that having it running hundred -- means you automatically on the right and -- to automatically makes it. Victim -- the most modern and operating system and I think it's great it's -- and obtaining sensitive album and -- there. And you know. I haven't I think it's -- you'll. For the -- that could steal I think have a good Leo no doubt that have stocking stuffer mailbox when -- -- -- every one for the question and -- T-Mobile subsidizing it at its price. Are they gonna -- kept I have -- volume -- Yeah guests and and share and I have to felt free time yeah I'm Santa's gonna get -- -- -- -- -- -- -- percent of whatever -- you know -- it's still a pretty. You'll turn -- compare about 200 dollars or more for a and yet there a lot of people out there I think -- just kind of readying her trance listening from. Midrange feature are high in future and data -- the smaller -- -- That's his eyes as you know it's not have a key -- -- actual physical keyboard so maybe he would appeal to those customers that security camera solution and the camera is still think it's. In Munich in the back and that. The I feel like 3.2 would be pretty standard in front of the eleventh and for that kind of the yen doesn't have a lot of hello and 800 -- Or an entry level Android phones are featuring -- to -- -- pixel cameras and not yet I don't know make it yet as a thing megapixel camera back yeah. Does not doesn't LEE -- that's something against the eat them like that. You know overall. If you I'm going to get more than what you pay for. So. A little bit more of the same Verizon is introducing. A new phone as well. Yeah so this elegy -- -- is into style. And the messaging phones if you -- remember about the that. Foreign factor. And then they'll keep him on the front there the this is just like -- -- of the knowledge messaging phone for Verizon that's hat I have like. It's the 2.2 megapixel camera html -- browser access to the usual. Verizon's V cast music and all of those features. And it thing is to be just kind of interesting is this is more expensive than Android phone this is 99 dollar and nine cents after the user could you don't -- -- and and you use it disagreement. It's -- really funny to see that the pricing structure of these phones some of up to me because -- this is this is not an a smart -- But it's as a regular messaging. But it's an isolated and more that's probably has it has. This that folding design that stability designs and beautifully designed and keyboard -- You know some -- really do you need it and has all of those other excellent we're moving parts and money subject yeah. But yes if it's an RSS speakers and a bordering the screen. There's other design that's I think that didn't have speakers as speakers and ordering the internal. So. Is to displays on the -- and one of the inside. People intimate with the Connecticut said. Yeah. So he -- -- it current and yes it PP small flown but it -- -- four -- so yeah which is a nice thing. -- the greatest keys are working gray. But it directional thing yeah I think I've been hidden cargo on the side too yeah I think those different -- okay thinks there could be true. Eight I think it's coming out that tomorrow. And and maintenance. And it's very soon. Call. And then in the meantime we have been more almost -- their food is emerged from deep space station found that we heard about -- can have more details on. You we still don't know I've asked Sony Ericsson knowledge it is their corporate line that we -- can comment on rumors and speculation. Most of the product. This is a -- that we heard about for awhile engadget has had some photos that they ran and it looks. It's an entry found -- -- we can see it's GSM. And the design is pretty say hello -- if -- -- it and I think of a pretty standard it's a big candy bar just a big candy bar Smartphone. With the media about four in screaming be a little larger. Running and trade. I gingerbread and -- not really clever that to a three or three -- over what exactly -- -- disposed of under underground. And instantly an agent -- -- that the Google's campus recently certain. -- Anyway on the date the citizen obviously -- It is made by Sony Ericsson so. -- was courses that Sony's. Partnership with Ericsson for making phones and incidents gaming controls -- very much like a Sony PlayStation controller. I don't I'm -- and get enough gamers know exactly we call these keys which you the directional keys on one -- in the near the circle in the square and -- England. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And then there's -- -- button so I should have gigahertz processor 512 -- of megabytes ram one gigabyte rom my -- card. Gonna no more memory stack which is nice and as you said it has to -- this would be a significant a couple ways. Yeah they're a lot of Android apps after -- -- -- by and we Andrus Syverson and the gaming does that. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Sony Ericsson's Android -- apartment impressive that the XXP -- -- is fine but wasn't Thackeray and expects ten -- -- and many pro. Just don't think it quite a compare with the -- to see some of the Samsung -- options out there so we see this found. The of the critical -- and Sony Ericsson and knowing kind of features actually this is the base station for -- -- price seen anything like that. Yeah. Only skeptical for the -- -- version -- doesn't look. It just looks like a -- yes it does. -- you have to do that at an it just seems an odd thing that I I I I think of making me very separately against and I think of the phone as a casual gaming device management -- and good. According to my credit on maybe this is for those in it did this is gonna had a lot of weight from about flight out. Space that's not a keyboard that's not gonna be function earlier out about on the -- it will only be functional when -- in front -- -- -- Or PlayStation and a -- And in -- I'm sorry. Most think I'm. And they haven't -- it's an -- yeah they haven't -- that anything confirming this yet but. Scott Stein ran his eleven must have features for PSP phones he continued as well. -- Just quickly I think I eat the wrong link in I have their but. This is an imagined the Atlantic cruise is also writing for -- Verizon Wireless this is another. Featured phone for Verizon and in addition to the energy up in it -- announced the contact with the -- site cracks. And that -- it is it -- you know any phone with -- to -- display -- external media control keys. You know it's it's pretty. Being added that the you to -- -- -- asking features immigrant he's part -- up to 32 gigabytes. I'm a -- -- -- learned announced that mobile capable to suggesting. And it to him -- it's available for 49 dollar retaining sense that tomorrow as well we ought to -- and when it means. More -- more Verizon's. Isn't that stepping away from phone's a little thing we had a little bit of -- in tablet land. Donald got in his Alex feed tab at that pimping -- -- tab here at the sprint version he checked it out there are. Going to be a lot of hands on tests and pictures that we've got a -- now and check back and -- that and and then this morning actually T-Mobile and Kim -- together released the news. It is having its galaxy to have come out on November tent. Yeah well yeah okay yeah that's where it is a Wednesday and that actually going to be and they're saying the first. Carrier of the major port to release the -- attempt I'm going on all four carriers the -- -- about the same pricing as the sprint version. About 400 dollars the T-Mobile version. Is a -- any nine after a fifty dollar mail in rebate of course with your two year contract in your monthly rate plan. Think about that and the initial press release got it wrong with advertising each as he -- -- -- it is not going habits mean. The interest thing not -- thing on over there. But it will come preloaded with -- media had -- the quick video chat app that will take advantage of the front facing camera yes. And again the tab will have Kindle for in bright and accurate -- streaming music. -- -- Eighteenth he hasn't released -- pricing yet. But -- used to sprint and T-Mobile are considerably cheaper and then went right in the filing -- or. On my birthday. Right for 600 dollar this is lift the contract -- to mentions. That's -- I am this business is with a contract and I the president want -- and -- -- contract so I think that's that's the difference. That's that's been added that the different yet it's gonna be something to think about yeah yeah. If you know you're gonna hold onto any music for two years and -- reasonable gamble. That we don't have all of the thing yet you know we will be -- later with the past value. -- And then. Rim also. Announced. -- just a little -- 10-Q and its playback announcement. So they're still not really anything yet Eileen -- CEOs Mike Latin rite of with actually using -- playback and not just holding it during -- Adobe max conference earlier this week. I'm not just a prop not well and that look like yeah. From the weird thing that it might even wind that working copy that they have yeah it -- The Danielle and I didn't work out well -- home. So based on a little bit of we have to go for any relief at an early 2011. And -- it -- -- did do was. Create current release then became for Adobe air. That is a cross platform. Development. Platform -- environments so that developers. But who are used to creating web apps. Can easily use that thing at their apps on air and are on the -- Looks pretty decent -- a lot of tablets coming out that's -- that even the acting is the new windows phone maybe. Now that -- -- -- decorative elements we were exposed to see that for awhile dad and thus we heard it in that's that's the windows not for. -- photos of a problem. Yet that it. On tablet maybe. Apple ads it would use the tablet -- them in it -- its tablet it's early the yet. -- figuring things. Exciting. Well it would not be dialed and if we didn't talk about -- -- and I've been rumored and Kent but the but that. I don't know -- A little local resident I'd don't drives and I -- easy. And you didn't get it. -- centers for Verizon were -- Yeah this is. So thanks to. A tipster I was going around I went through a bunch of for a job center are. Job listings -- me. That are forward to companies that contract for Verizon and one has contract with Apple in the past. Either can't -- performance hands. Are bright -- -- They are hiring a lot of people at their facilities around the country's Rambus had had earning 17100 compositions so. A lot of these say that you will work with -- major -- to do general inquiries about billing rates -- features and services and one. And I can get in on the -- -- about -- -- -- -- -- one person wanted to call -- spokesperson. Basically company. So how are you tell EM I'm does -- -- and Verizon would not comment on rumors and speculation. That they you one person to also tell performance spokesperson told a newspaper Georgia. That they would be -- in -- a new line of business for a major wireless company. And when job listings the you for technical support for personal computers portable and portable devices that combine MP3 players and smart and yeah and nothing conclusive yet banks know we driver went right possibly by it's just enter stain and the -- and the source that I got this from its its its its pretty. It seems to be. More pronounced the politics are going on behind the scenes. Is -- suggesting its own thing. Is there a lot of joblessness out there -- -- confidence that it doesn't precedent setting -- for January so. Me and it is that it might be said he could be anything that he could be for any number of reasons but that's definitely one of the the most hotly rumored season things that make you go -- and. Yes. Yeah they don't. Counseling and monitor for living to be honest with you -- this but young learning how the best job honor a lot of people are hearing room. People -- you know. So we'll see we'll save its own thing with a good thing. And then -- and has spent about three weeks with her windows phone. And she created a little -- Summing up the top five things that she loves about it much and they understand will -- -- filed -- some things but she doesn't like about it that much. Yeah it's and so. I mean like it simplicity organization and accessibility of the UI's -- like the like tiles which are bold and -- catching. They are because you can color and beat out main blog bright colors on -- yeah. It's really like a hub experience and -- -- that panoramic view where ethernet. Open up a tile in the new kind of instead of swiping verdict we used by -- horizontally to scroll through it -- -- get to -- menu options and when -- on a different screen you can actually scroll vertically within that screen. Yeah. She really liked -- in using -- in -- -- you can stream unlimited mean that the killer feature -- -- actually. It presumed to be in -- -- instances -- uses them because when the Zune HD first debuted at all all. Area that's them Zune phone is not only does not mean just -- phone and it here is what happened and -- street guys notices that isn't yes. Basically if Microsoft was looking around. We need -- new UI we need a new game here what we do what rarity hat we have to do what they had to spin this kind of you know argue and it hailed as -- yet there are so many people that talked about -- its -- -- -- -- You know and this is definitely. Guess -- puts them together yeah together it uses the same design mentality. Yes and strung out on all the different I think the thing that's very you know any we've had with the the fortune and everything. Like like you said in this article Zune pass lets you stream unlimited music and -- ten songs per month. In no and that's that's great and ethnic very affordable ethnic music pricing you buy in its its. Ten songs per month but what he could include included with this should be -- Audio the light something that I really like that everybody would like I think which is wirelessly thinking -- content from your PC here. That -- -- the next. -- I -- she's -- -- going on about sort of I don't mind yet really do get it and called in addition to -- chorus it has also compatibility with Xbox group actually. You know -- and she said that she panicky way to being submitted and for the most part the keeps -- detecting may allow. So again it's gonna be -- interesting comparison between this and the aforementioned. PSP than. And you've added that these well with them -- me. And kind of interesting they're all the big features about a found other sort of make it a break -- another a little tiny features. That -- that big either way under your skin or hope you overlook. What maybe you should -- hey everywhere. And a -- one of those is being ably being in the cameras taking a picture and being able to swipe to the left in the viewfinder. The -- -- and I agree for me that would be one of that's a nice touch did you just tickets yeah it cuts that I think goes a long way to take a photo. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- That's -- fun. And it's it's as easy as one swipe and I think that that simplicity is definitely one of the windows -- and a -- and a -- light in -- -- and exactly. Maybe I did -- I didn't and and I others you have to touch you know a little like the little image icon yeah I -- album I can't a lot of -- -- -- an I think it's I think it's in really gritty -- -- this. Apartment and the -- that has an auto correct feature that's more useful than some competitors and -- virtual keyboard you know I I I had actually I really dislike the iphones are currently Suharto. Can mean getting worse than -- I think we're gonna play right under its -- I'm I think so I mean is this one the -- features typically -- -- That's a good thing I'd like to see more -- video that if they would like the more -- by -- -- the library. The -- right -- of the matches are if I miss type. This has been happening lately with some there's a man from food on the -- -- probably an important to Iraq and a swap back and forth but especially noticed the fun I where I don't remember what the word was. But I typed in something and I got a completely different word with a completely different meaning that started with the latter well -- and it really. -- -- I'm gonna Andreas. Over iPhone is that it offers you a number of choices when you're spelling a word rather than just one. So you can go down and you can say. Any starts telling you you're you know the contraction and you get. You're you know and I just in -- you are not a planet you're and you get all of these by would -- is just one. Yeah there's some in times of hype and we'll try that he -- as in we will -- contraction and -- -- well. Anyway pretty -- but while we take our little break. And we are back with reviews. Says speaking of windows -- -- reviewed it. That these Samsung focus for eighteen he and the HT -- around for eat in team and should like them both. And however she like the focus a little bit Maya -- -- to -- it -- -- the focus and most most viewed most rigorously looked at the same thing. -- and the screen probably really listen to that. Yeah and it looks -- ready -- right Spanish I think. -- -- with a focus on the -- Jessica. Yeah yeah we've gotta focus here and office not incidentally. I -- it really need it the screen of -- of all. Erica Spore and super Amylin which is now it's very yeah everything goes well with those I set and good call quality. Excellent phones -- And he freshman right. -- friendly user interface greatly to -- they -- great multimedia. Right and and I think -- Kenny Perry and get. I do I do yup that's the point the battery humans -- some nice looking phone -- -- photos and -- and -- -- And -- And in this rounds. It compared it to the HD he surrounds just the other making -- Windows phone seven. Device here and it pretty similar specs of was -- Moses and -- -- is written in some respects but. This one doesn't seem to be as polished as that's the design with a -- And especially with the built in speakers through and -- -- things the really good idea edit like how well our having bees still -- mobile. Really great quality speakers and they're gonna be an -- gonna make everything better and it's gonna make music -- a lot better and on bodies pretty much came to the conclusion that all it really did was add. A lot of weight and Hoffman do you. Blast music from your phone -- use hit cents rainy. How they usually get our honor -- quality right Hoffman use I mean not have an all I know that senator wants nor have imagined being about. He imaginative yet again -- -- -- so I didn't I -- -- -- Two but again is it's not -- and a very common use it if it. I guess if you want it and -- it is but I do -- this focus seems to me seems to be the phones again. Yes there -- also the -- from -- -- on the surrounds and then. But two constant that's right about goes within the phones to share -- a featured in the -- same bad things she found him with -- know companies yet. The limit its -- for -- -- slow games on the Xbox and no direct -- for -- exchange outlook account so. Those are -- on both -- spend. But could end up in and change to copy paste of coming up on its way -- so that may not be exactly a deterrent if you are interest -- there'd be found and are a lot more coming out. -- -- -- Though I am more icicle like at -- at Samsung -- -- for virgin mobile. And this is actually Virgin's first Android phone. It's pretty good when we've seen it before on sprint and it really shares. Almost all the same characteristics pricing -- different and of course the related apps are different and call quality. In -- buried a little bit as well. But overall you know this is a good phone and it's usually one of past ones in virgin mobile lineup and it's a great addition. -- You don't -- -- PP's it's not the yeah I just -- -- collection on prepaid -- him and it's part of its ramping up a little bit. Not nineties to kind of just being. A lot of the same Larry Craig. 800. Yeah that's you know it's still -- and you know and I'm gonna go -- and -- -- Right thirty like -- so I think via. Afternoon C mark mark January -- look at before a look at the -- send this week announcement of prepaid yeah exactly and governor Arnold fifty dollars without a contract outlook. Yeah and then they have that really cheap unlimited plan which is only fifteen dollars month. -- were still text talk confinement. Text Harkin asked that. Depression fine and that may I was trying to say big brightly Bakley backlit buttons on -- yeah. That was not a good idea it was a big brain volume that is good news -- network. That's in the next phone we have here for review and that we -- -- be -- at the LG neon TU. This this do you -- Atlanta in the non quick messaging phone from eighteen PS and -- for a but he he -- -- music they GPS. Quad band GSM -- SPD's apart. Mixes and mitigated through the -- It's a very affordable at only thirty dollars to thing -- -- agreement and that this might problem with the -- -- you is that. First of all the first -- on had a very simple tip for up and down fiscal -- This one has a can really -- -- it around and enticed the mouse. Sort of toggle which admittedly like so much -- because he didn't even feel as comfortable to use and another thing -- that. The do you -- technology it has a touch screen it's only afford to phone dialer key wide so. You -- -- it. You have to use the weird joystick toggle that stick out yeah forum for every breath -- -- But for the phone -- you presses the phone -- button and you of the to keep the NASA -- and they and they -- -- -- our melodies that did it with this site that the screen. It's only the test is it's only for the phone means. I don't even on it's you know and gave it a -- -- rating the these because at but the key what was it. People aren't for texting was it -- so if you don't wanna use the that weird text teen comedy you can use to keep it -- with the but -- -- -- the rules says missiles and radar. Since an Oscar arrangement yes and I can mention in my in my bottom and it highlights the features like the improvement over the original but. It -- -- rich who can hit. Above all the other messaging -- sneaking. Ruling noted. That's an important point yes. -- just done. Wonder why healtheon and things it was Sony amicus as -- as well as -- the -- -- -- -- number and now would I would go out there. Out of that the development and public attacking the scheme does pilot. Instincts. And not having any other half -- that -- the working world -- Wiki all -- it has ordered. Yeah again and across during the -- against the wall yeah. Yeah it's not one of the rugged -- Yeah I know it's really keeps thirty bucks so but then. I -- it. They have their -- phones are not much more but this -- the phone perhaps if you're going to eighteen Kearney customary and you want the cheapest thing that's check out around that. Will what you facts. -- an email and though -- even cheaper licking and then we've got -- and you bear out and it took a look at that. I did just a basic phone for making calls but essentially in a couple minutes he would it's design is. I wouldn't say it's an attractive actually kind of liked it but it's pretty basic it looks like -- it looks a lot like a Samsung company some years ago -- thing when you're doing is too long you. Start recognize all these phones and look what they what they remind you and this was very much like an all Samsung as this as speech -- 150 -- pointless it's very flat. With rounded corners so you look like you could skip across the pond or something but I'm. I just have a couple things that might actually -- itself to make -- appealing to in usage of visual impairments because that's of the text on them but they and external display especially was really pay. You could see the time very clearly and inside the buttons while they're pretty flat day of Texas numbers at least are pretty large and then the letters letters were large swells so. -- closest peer friendly phone. I'm you know it's it the phone itself. Might be a little small. When the overall size of it but I think that if if that's our problem with you than I certainly would would take a look at it it was easy to use with Sanyo phones tend to -- They tend to be released pretty straightforward. Many -- menu system basic features one point three megapixel camera. It's not very terrible. But -- -- -- sturdy enough does have 2.5 millimeter headset Jack which -- it was like. And I -- was -- little started at the highest levels and but I think. It if you can get paid you can if the -- qualities fine if you don't really test a person think it's a decent -- -- for communication if you if you like that. If you like the design site. I'm I'm immigrants is about it's on -- cities -- doesn't have a very good job -- and make it found it easy to use so I think they definitely do that here. So it's any of -- it is. Just it's. -- 999 with a two year service agreement afternoon reading but at full price it's 20. Yeah and. And kind of going up a -- and we can't technically if there yet Clinton leaves the Sudanese -- Unfortunately innocent faces deep authentically. Pending claims it is -- honestly you're mean and means moon -- -- light -- Note that dissident group the -- But yet this is the thinnest slider messaging and that eight and that claims it's the in this planet messaging phone ever and -- don't have isn't -- -- -- Yeah isn't enough for others and -- -- a slider messaging phone Madonna Wednesday -- advanced changed ever. But it -- skinny beach is really did because most messaging phones tend to be a little bit bulky and I think it's it's definitely a good. That being made -- those and I have. Him -- -- It's the same size -- -- -- -- says that -- that is very then it's less than zero point four inch reef -- -- month yes so. -- you know you would expect a very thin phone I just haven't made that. Right because it's so -- It very flat but asking not bad it's pretty -- me the keys are. No breathe a little bit of that the statements. It was it was actually quite easy to to tax. I feel I and has many good features on union -- it -- opera based browser. You know yes the messaging features yes -- Lot of features on year of a -- safety -- can see. So. It. Looks like it's -- pretty easy to navigate with those big icon yes and this is actually a -- Not a big touch screen -- the other -- It's a visit -- real like three point one inch -- -- Edith went to sack that was me. You're looking as well. And it's only 99 dollars and cents. Isn't it. Well a -- an islet that is not a touch screen at all not anywhere near it but it Samsung free form Q. Said this is an update Q the first -- this is -- MetroPCS. And it's about fifty dollar phone with an instant fifty dollar rebate. About the good price again their contract actually really good price and it looks a lot more polished than its predecessor. At the keyboard kind of has that regions -- and that reminds me so much of the Blackberry able. Active yeah card and an I was really added to use than and I actually didn't like the feel of it and ultimately the field -- -- worth. And there's another Samsung phone that has a keyboard that's really similar but I kind of inspecting them holding them side by side and like measuring up the keys -- differently shaped that now. That I like other -- -- so and the -- my imagination I just in kind of act comfortable life on the keys at least on our review unit to be a little bit that. And but I think that over all that sort of something meant one could overlook. And because there other features that -- really get the prices really can't call quality was the ninth. It's got a fifteen and gigabyte external memory 3.5 millimeter hit headset Jack which we don't see we have conceded 2.5 millimeter. And so that's if they're in mount there's multimedia support and it looks pretty polished it comes -- -- color black bag it in it's sort of like you know if you wanna fake somebody out have a phone with a little bit fancier than it actually has. I think it's just -- messaging. Not a -- It. So we have reviews coming up. These are a lot of them I lot of them at that. So yeah I'm gonna be reviewing the Blackberry -- That's the -- -- flip Blackberry made -- who could and also the -- optimist heated very affordable. Thirty I just eat -- -- an entirely oh that's ridiculous that. Another Android -- just a convenient I am looking at the violence and we talked about the planet in 150 dollar and for cricket. And -- all. I will not -- up later this week. Now have the literally without. Which is one of the country's six how which is a square found it -- a swivel assignments very close to the nucleus and sensor twist. It is square. -- -- -- Yeah so far can sale of the keyboard. It's quite patients actually considering the -- size button. It's a small and display on display in that are that I its own small rain he mentions and its wing at the Alamo this isn't -- And -- touch screen in response to do video -- -- -- look at browser and it's it's way too smart I think of human interface you actually have to hold on a couple inches from yeah yeah. It was a messaging found enough that that was his that was that was its you know claim to fame and were messaging centric -- I'd say it's it's gonna -- that this about the citizens are right here it's not great is not immediate from the greatest messaging out of my impressions of Iran and square. Predicts and that's really what you can -- around it. -- -- -- -- Alright we got -- it -- this week mayor Osman says that. I am looking to get either that -- -- or even for G island and agree forgy areas as wondering what we went. But about it and you -- the price by it but it's still undecided when we think about the team in which one is better. I can't give price planet remember this I think the evil four G1 enough prize fights just because at the big screen. -- -- -- Audio quality but it really depends on what you want the phone for exactly epic party has a -- people -- if -- -- keyboard. But you must have a keyboard. And ethnic parties deafening -- in that sense. But even -- better probably for a movie watching would be you wanted to bigger screen to the -- down of that it's kinda cool and convenience these. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- It's is that the score keeper of some nice physical keyboard to yeah -- -- -- votes -- its patients to use. And it's a very good found its its got a nice display -- -- Just having the -- those spineless and -- -- My have to go -- Okay and recount. And you take her -- -- And yes. There's. With a modifications that Verizon has had to be planning to its humane org allows simultaneously data -- usage from listening device. Mean the kind of building now available to all of its current neither mean that would be built arts currency mean devices producers have to get a new devised take advantage of the plan he's. Well for an hour for you're familiar day. One of the -- -- seeming is that you cannot talk on the phone and used it at the same time so and this is one of the things it's actually. One of the little. Quirks about a possible price and I found that the thing for what time is that will we wouldn't be able to do what you see in the commercial and your on the phone and you wanna got a barbecue and you type in W and you find it and you know -- you just to do everything right and there. Com and is currently not available on human -- despite this the human development group which strategy is developing this -- technology for release next years ago. We don't -- -- next year and exactly what specifications of the changes would be. But it is coming next year which course those adjustments some announcement but to happen one by -- as far as upgrading you know. My gut tells I would I don't know my gut tells me that. That now he would not have to -- I think this is gonna they're gonna brought -- out of the technology just a technological upgrade to see you. Specs were to make an appointment and in the -- -- yes this is another thing about LT two in -- comes out he will also enable that. But CMA. Will be able to and it forgy does this but that's right now -- -- 33 G seeming to point -- -- -- -- -- did not. Hopefully as I understand -- we might be able to get on everything just capture. In. But well I you know this. There are this announcement about the new technology it's always been mentioned sort of and passing. You know we that we had been announced CDT hasn't held a press conference and -- release and said this is what's gonna happen in this little -- to and so there are no quite the specifics -- We do it does look pretty clear that that's going to that's. A good thing. I have one additional questionnaire. From Simon and he just wants to know whether the OSX up it will be available for the curve 8580. And my understanding is is that it will not because the 8530s the older generation parent -- -- because of the keys. The 9314. Maloney T 1990 -- -- -- For Verizon Hispanics those -- We'll get -- -- six and I don't think the eighty I think this it's in order -- -- that's it for me. And that's kind of it for all of us are -- -- week so you can email us your questions or comments you dialed in and cnet.com. Can leave us voice mail and whiny eight thick thick. -- -- -- -- -- -- 638. And you can always check out what we're doing on our blog piled into cnet.com. Thanks for joining us. 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