Apple Byte Extra Crunchy
The Mac Mini has been waiting 3 long years for an update (Apple Byte Extra Crunchy, Ep.106)Tim Cook responds to a customer about the future of the Mac Mini, and the latest iPhone X updates.
[MUSIC] Hello, everybody on planet Earth. My name is Steven Beecham, producer of The Apple Byte Extra Crunchy podcast. With your host! Mr Brian Tom. What's up everybody, hey welcome to the show. We can't do the show without you, beach and tong, all night long. Beach and tong. All night long. What's everybody, welcome to the show, it is episode 106. This is apple bite, extra crunchy. Our complementary piece. To the Apple Bit video podcast. Which I think it should be dropping in a little bit quite honestly. But we like to add on additional stories that have happened, that are developing. It is always changing every day. We try to keep you current. And this is where we can talk about all of these things. But you ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls that are listening are always apart of the show. We had over 20 calls or something ridiculous this week, right, Beech? Yeah, it was heavy on the calls. And thank you, guys, it was awesome, a lot of good calls. So we did whittle them down. But if you guys wanna part of the show again, call us at 1-8 1-800-616-2638. That is how you can be a part of the show, with your name, where you're from. We really do like your opinions or commentary. Sometimes people ask me, What phone are you using? And then I that's like, I'm using an iPhone. [LAUGH] So, [LAUGH] just ask us something that like, you want, that could open up the discussion, because we like kind of breaking it open and talking about a lot of things as well. But yea, that's how you've got to [UNKNOWN] I did kind of like that question though, Brian. I'm curious what phone, what size, what color, you know. Well, if you must know, [LAUGH] This is like An iPhone seven right now. I did not get an eight. I am waiting for the ten because I got to review that thing. And so I am going to ten, ten, ten. And we ten, ten, ten. So let's just jump into the show. First of all, let's just start the show on a high note. And I wanted to really just Say Happy Birthday to the Mac Mini. Like could you believe it? Happy Birth, the Mac Mini is three years old since the last time they updated it. I was gonna say, three years old, that's really young. Since the last time they updated it, bro. That's crazy, man. Well, I feel like I'd say every other week someone asks me on Twitter or something like what's going on with the Mac committee. Everyone thought we've seen some sorta refresh. It's kind of a sad Apple. It's a sad Apple birthday for the Mac committee, which has not seen a single refresh. The Mac Mini was kind of like a breakthrough. It's just this small tiny device. It was like a full-on desktop to computer. [INAUDIBLE] and everything. I did have a lot of friends who owned them and used them and lived and died by them. And I'm surprised that they just have no updated it for three years, which is pretty unreal. So we get a lot of calls and sometimes do answer questions within the show because the topic comes up that you ask us, so our boy Faz, we think it's Faz, not Fad, but Faz from Toronto, asked specifically what's going on with the Mac Mini. Well lo and behold, a MacRumors user sent an email over to Tim Cook, and like Steve Jobs did in the past, sometimes we get lucky He responds and then these type of emails are put up on the net for us to see. The readers name was Crawr and he asked Tim Cook, straight up, I love the Mac Mini, but it's been over three years without an update. Are we going to see anything in the pipeline any time soon? Tim replied and said I'm glad you love Mac mini. We love it, too. Our customers have found so many creative and interesting uses for Mac mini. While it is not time to share any details, we do plan for Mac mini to be an important part of our product line going forward. Best, Tim. That's funny that he- So. Replied to it and so, PR, it was such PR speak, but it makes sense. I also like how he has adopted the official terminology where Apple has created their own language. Yes. [LAUGH] You noticed in that entire thing he never said the Mac Mini. Yeah. He just said. I'm glad you love Mac Mini. And remember this was awhile ago for people that don't remember I believe it was it was Phil Schiller who was asked specifically like how would you say the iPhone or multiple iPhones he responded that iPhone is just you dont say the iPhone you just say iPhone. If you're talking about singular iPhone it's an iPhone. And if it's multiple it's still iPhone. You can say I have 35 iPhone. Yeah. That's how we're supposed to say it according to Apple. It's singular and plural, right? Singular and plural somehow. My family owns five iPhone. [LAUGH] I've owned five iPhone in my life. Dude it's just making us dumber. We're just we're becoming dumber. I can't I can't get over that so anyways the letter Tim Cook says it's coming it also aligns most likely with their kind of plans for the Mac Pro which they clearly completely ignored dropped the ball didn't care about and only really responded if you recall After there was like a render of what a MacPro could look like and the community and people started talking about it and getting mad about the MacPro and then all of a sudden Apple's like, " yeah. People don't really like the trash can MacPro. We should probably create a modular customizable one- that professionals like. [LAUGH] So, we'll see when it comes out, but Mac Mini, look, obviously this clearly confirms, in my mind, that there's nothing that's gonna happen in 2017, and if anything we'll see something in 2018. Three years without a refresh is Is forever in the tech world, especially with computers. That's a long time to go without a single refresh. Yeah. Big time. Big time. So, there's your update faz and everyone else that was asking about. We're going to jump over to kinda keep you all updated with the latest iPhone news. There's a few stories that have been popping around. The latest is we have talked constantly about how the iPhone is expected to be in high demand and the product and supply won't be able to meet that. We talked about a few stories where the inital estimation was somewhere around 50 million units then it dropped to 45 and 40. And then, I think last week we said Estimations had been pegged at 35 million units at least to get out there, I believe by the end of 2017. Well a new report according to DigiTimes and other sources have now said that Apple 10 Suppliers are reportedly going to be on schedule to meet at least the 2017 production demand. You have to remember that production demand is different than consumer demand. Production demand is really more of a number based on how many they'd be able to produce. They would set that benchmark, whereas consumer demand is gonna be a lot higher than that and it's still going to be a hard phone to get. So at least it's not- I think it would be worse if they said they aren't going to be able to meet their production goals. That would be even a bigger problem. But according to a few reports from Digitize and others. That is not the case. The other report that we have going out here is that we know that a lot of people are just waiting for the iPhone eight and eight plus. According to Reuters, citing China's Economic Daily News, the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus production will reportedly drop nearly 50% once iPhone 10 launches. Wow. Which is a big drop, right? There's already been reports that the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus, Apple hasn't talked or they have not been bragging about its numbers. And clearly this is because most people are waiting for the 10. Although there are plenty of people getting the 8. It's not like the 8 is doing bonkers. There were even early reports that the iPhone 7 is currently outselling the iPhone 8, but Apple would not confirm that. They also didn't deny it either. Yeah. So when the iPhone X ships they are going to cut production of the iPhone 8 50% is what that said right? Exactly. And that would make sense if clearly the numbers on the preorders tell them where all of the demand is going right? I mean they know, okay fine. Maybe we have to tweak our numbers. That's the beauty of preorders, at least for a manufacturer, they can kind of then shift and adjust how they have plotted out, or planned for the phone to come out, and what inventory levels they allocate. So, there you go, Iphone 8, 8 Plus, I don't know if it's a shocker, per se, but that story just came out. In addition with the other iPhone news, we know our friend [UNKNOWN] from KGI Securities, who drops all types of knowledge and rumors and bombs on us. According to him, all iPhone models in 2018 will likely abandon fingerprint recognition. No. Again [LAUGH] All the phone models in 2018 were likely to get rid of touch ID from apple. Now according to quo, apple is going to completely embrace face ID. It looks at it as a competitive advantage over Android smartphones, we talked about how Android manufacturers. Have been trying to figure out, and sourcing and looking for requests. From similar face ID/true depth, 3D scanning sensors for security purposes for future phones from Android. I think the report was the requests were up to two to three fold. Three times what they normally are. Apple looks at this as a competitive advantage. Again, we'll have to wait to see how much faster it is. I think. If they can make it almost as fast as [UNKNOWN] not this year but let's say in another year or so, I think it'll be great. But we will see. We don't have a phone in our hands right now. We don't use it every day, so we can't really say that for sure. But it's, but you know Touch, Touch ID is still, I use Touch ID all the time on my phone still. Yeah, yeah, sure. Last week there was just a big question, and a lot of stories came out, just last week about that. So no, we're not gonna expect anything under the screen, that's done. Not gonna think about that anymore, right? All indications point to that is not part of Apple's plan. All right man. So everyone's gonna have to completely change the behavior and your phone is gonna know what you look like and it's kind of a whole new world. [LAUGH] And they'll totally do it. Because they won't buy another phone. You're in the ecosystem baby. You're trapped! We're all trapped in this thing! We're trapped. I do remember a story last week too, I forget some analyst group predicted that Apple was like what two years in front of everyone else in terms of that technology. The face scanning tech they were two or three years, was it, right? Yep that is correct sir. So Ming Chi Kuo was the one that actually put out that article that it would take around two or three years for Android to catch up at least with the technology. Again The technology is more advance from a standpoint of [UNKNOWN] more secure but it hasn't proven to be faster yet. That's where it has to evolve. So like I put my fingerprint of the back of the Pixel and it's super fast. I put my fingerprint on the front of an iPhone and it's super fast. Will [UNKNOWN] be that fast All indications say not really, but it's not slow either, right? Yeah, it's also the first iteration of face ID that we've seen, so it'll only improve over time. But I still just, the creep factor of your phone, just seeing you all the time Time and knowing that you, it's just creepy to me but It is creepy. We'll get used to it, I'm sure. It's kind, it's kind of creepy Yeah, it is. All right, here's some, I don't know if this is a shocking news. We talked about the foldable flexible phone Last week. This comes out from the Korea Herald, via the Investor, Apple has reportedly mulling the idea of launching a stylus compatible with the iPhone, believed to be a new iteration of the Apple Pencil. Now An iPhone with pencil support could potentially launch as early as 2019. The sources say that this iPhone is going to likely adopt a super capacitor stylus type for pricey benefits. Different from than the Galaxy Note's pen which is an electromagnetic resonance technology. It needs additional components to be installed underneath that [UNKNOWN] display. The super [UNKNOWN] type is actually cheaper to make. We don't- I don't know how much more accurate it is. Or if the accuracy is the same then it won't matter. If we don't feel it, then it just won't matter. We do know that [UNKNOWN] in December of 2015 [UNKNOWN] Had surfaced from [UNKNOWN] Apple. Revealing that Apple is working within an Apple pencil that functions on an iPhone as well as a wider range of applications from Apple. It was basically supported the use on some sort of stylus on all devices. We know Apples exploring this, we know Apples exploring foldable, flexible phones. We know that the bezel less phone age is here to stay as well. So this is just it what's interesting to me is that we had can you pull up you know what I always love this it is dated And times have changed, but did you see that link I put up for the Steve Jobs video clip speech? Yeah, yeah. Pulling it up right now. Okay, let's just, this is again from Mac World I believe 2007 and this is how Steve Jobs at that moment in time felt about a stylus. How are we gonna communicate this? We don't want to carry around a mouse right? So what are we gonna do? A stylus, right? We're gonna use a stylus. No. [LAUGH] No. [LAUGH] Who wants a stylus? [LAUGH] You have to get them and put them away, lose them. Yuck. Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus. We're gonna use the best pointing device in the world. We're gonna use a pointed device that we're all born with, we're born with ten of them. We're gonna use our fingers. We are going to touch this with our fingers. And we have invented a new technology called multi-touch. All right. This is a funny sound bite. So so funny. That was hilarious. The Note is an amazing product. And again, this was back in the time. Like the Note It can do so many things that our phone, and again, it is not for anyone. It is if you want that experience and you want to be able to use your phone that way. Apple has talked so much crap about not having a stylus historically even after SJ and when SJ dropped out, keynote. They have always been anti-stylus, and it just interesting. how we see this happening and most likely we'll see one in the next let's say two three years or so, but I just wonder how their story will change, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm curious what it's gonna be. I'm curious if it's gonna like connect to the phone or something. How they're gonna market it. You know., that's gonna be the big thing that we're gonna, that's gonna be interesting is how they're gonna market it to everyone cuz It's very clear. Steve Jobs did not want a stylus, and now they're doing it so they have to explain why. And the patent not only covers things like an iPhone but also included a Macbook as well. So when I talk about this stylus functionality it's across their entire product line. It's something that, obviously, Apple is working on and they've always been working on it. So we will see. All right. Should we take a little breather and show some love to our lovely sponsor? Let's do it. Let's do it. All right, check this out. Apple device management can be time consuming work, especially if IT is not your daily job. Thankfully, jamf NOW helps you manage your Apple devices from anywhere. 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You don't have to be. My kids are on the iPad, I'm at work, I'm gonna lock down their iPad. Get off the iPad! Locked up. Just lock him up. Lock him down. I'm locked up. All right, so just a little Akon for all of you Akon lovers. All right, let's also kind of keep you updated, this is related to Apple. We know that you heard about that whole crack Wi-Fi vulnerability over the past week that everybody is freaking out about. Basically, it was a vulnerability in the WPA2 Wi-Fi standard that protects pretty much almost, I would say like 90% of people use WPA2. This is like that password that you come up to protect your own home networks. Well, there was a vulnerability that was discovered and exploits that would potentially leave any Device connected to a WiFi network that is based off of WPA2 protection and allow someone to access things like the traffic on there, access directly files from youre computer, in and out data, literally everything, emails, passwords. Whatever you can think of. Everyone was freaking out because of this. Now companies like Google and I think Microsoft- And Apple are addressing this and talking about how there are updates available so what Apple has done is they have come out and said they told iMore's Rene Ritchie that iOS, TVOS, WatchOS and MacOS beta's that are currently available have addressed this WiFi vulnerability. And they will be rolling out the official versions of this to customers soon. But it at least has been available and is addressed with the Betas at the moment. So, this is a vulnerability that was revealed, and it's not like anyone is using it right now, at least that I know of, so don't get all freaked out and just be like, I'm never using Wi-Fi again. You're just going to be really be diligent in updating your router software and your devices as this rolls out. My assumption is that this fix, to kind of protect yourself from the krack. It's spelled k r a c k if you want to look it up. It's pretty gnarly. I'm sure that these updates are going to come in the next week or two. I just want to be Too worried about it but if you get hacked because I said that then don't blame it on me. Yeah I think cnet has some how tos to like enhance your router. Like fix any router problems you might have, but I've been needing to update my router too, and just if you change the password I think on your router would help things a little bit. But, I'm not 100% sure on that. But yeah, that's not good news. But thanks Apple for fixing it. Yeah, ultimately this hack. Anyone can access any device on any wi-fi network. It's pretty gnarly. That is gnarly. Yeah, it's kinda dangerous. So just be aware of what's going on around us with that. Let's also jump over to this story. We talked kinda about, It must have been like a month ago about how the FCC was asking or requesting that Apple turn on the FM radio Yeah. on their phones. Remember that? So, a new request is now coming out from the national association of broadcasters who, along with the FCC, is urging Apple to add FM radios to iPhones. Now here's the trick, according to Apple they say the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 do not currently have FM radio chips or antennas that support FM signals. And it's not really clear how simple it would be to add those. We talked about how the actual headphone jack cable that physically connected to things like the iPad nano Ended up being the antenna, which allowed you to listen to FM radio on a device like that. That was like the little square clip-on iPod nano. Yeah, it's genius too, it's a genius idea. Loved, it and we joked about like, yeah it's because you got rid, there is no headphone jack, there's a light There's a freaking **** report now it's like come on guys. The thing about it is in tear downs of the iPhone eight, it does indicate that they use a broad com chip and that chip is integrated with an FM radio and so they're just basically asking Apple, "flip this switch." But again,- I don't know if, whether by, instead of directly going into the port, from previous old school iPhones, and iPods even, if that is one of the reasons it can't support FM. Cuz there's no actual legitimate wide reaching antenna. We know how tricky putting antennas in phones can be. The placement of it. And then if you're talking about an FM radio antenna That they don't want it to take up more space in their gadgets. They'd rather have the slimmest device with the least battery possible. Than a thicker one that supports FM radio, a headphone jack, and a longer battery life. Yeah, could they make an FM antenna dongle or something, and sell it for $2? I think that could be a way to FM maybe. The fact that we have to ask that question makes me sick. [LAUGH] It would to have a little dongle hanging off and you pull out the antenna. It would be awesome. [LAUGH] You make it! You make it! I will, I will. We will make a mock-up of it.>> All right, I put this story in the show because I liked it. There is this new app. Called Nude. It's available on IOS and Android, but the app is called Nude. And it's called Nude the sexiest app ever, or something like that. If you look it up in the app store. But why is this important? Okay, so check this out. This app was created by two people And really, what it does is it uses machine learning. It uses Apple's API, which is called core ml. It helps them assist this and what it does is it scans through your entire library of photos. It then, using machine learning and being able to identify which ones are nudes and which ones are not It actually wraps them securely into, think of it as like a protected vault- [LAUGH] On your phone. Yeah. That no one else can look at, it allows you to delete them from both your Camera Roll and the iCloud if you want to. What this all thanks to this app. It's called- So are the people at nude able to see all of your nude photos? I guess. This is a great question. Very good Mr [UNKNOWN] So what is interesting is because the nude app itself, images are never sent to their servers or anything. And it's possible because of Apple's core ML, API, the machine learning framework, so what does it do, right? So this core ML, the way that machine learning works, for everyone that may not be familiar, and they always hear this term. Is right, the brains are in the software, but what does the software need to actually learn, they need examples. So For example, if someone wants- if the machine learning needs to figure out how many what is a nude and what's not, it needs to look at millions of pictures of b=nues and non-nudes. A nd the company said that the way that they did this to teach it and to get it smarter is they basically have it scrape naughty sites and porn sites to then learn what are nudes compared to what are not nudes. Wow. So they're, like, showing it porn to teach it. That's funny. Yes. So then that information is plugged into their app which is using the core ML, the machine learning. And then it's using that information to look through your photo collection, protect it, but it never gets sent to their servers. But then they could also potentially have analytics and, like, Percentage of Americans or who ever is using iPhones who have nude photos on their phones, so they could have some personal information about you, you know. I guess the most they could do is like positives versus negatives right? I mean they don't actually have the files themselves but yeah, they could say, based on our app we know that the average American has blank nudes, but the funny thing is that, Someone tested it and if you have man-boobs it does count that as a nude. No. [LAUGH] Man-boobies count as nudies. No. They gotta fix that. They gotta tweak Tweak that algorithm. Yeah, if you have a beard and man boobs, it's not a nude. Well, I mean, you could- Well, actually, I mean there's the beard. [LAUGH] I've been a little sarcastic a few times. I've seen a lot. Anything is possible on this Earth. [LAUGH] It's San Francisco. We see that everyday. Ha, yes, we do. [BLANK_AUDIO] [CROSSTALK] They should just run that app in San Francisco. They will get all types of data that they never even knew existed. [LAUGH] Totally. The other funny note about this is that they promoting the app at the recent TechCrunch Disrupt conference. And they said that a lot of people said hey, I don't have nudes but can you tell me more about this app? [LAUGH] Share it dude. Share it. That's funny. So anyways It's interesting. It's funny. It's a little salacious, but there's actually interesting technology involved with Apple's Core ML that is working to help this app out. And it's interesting. I feel like I'm hearing the term machine learning almost every day with like- You are, man. New technology apps and everything. It's happening all the time now. So Computers are learning everything that we do, all of our bad habits, all of our good habits. [LAUGH] So, just be ready man. It's just the first part to Skynet, that's all we're trying to get to. Yeah, we're just teaching them, we're just educating them to get up to speed with us, right? We as a society can't help ourselves But see what's in a movie and then wanna make it happen in real life. We've seen it so much. It's just a fact. If someone came up with it in a movie, someone's gonna try to make it in real life now. Flying cars, tablets, literally, tablets, like computer tablets, that's Star Trek stuff, man. Yeah, I think the first time any tablet was seen was in 2001 A Space Odyssey? Nice. There you go, yeah. That's the first time that we ever saw prior art to an iPad. And there's a guy sitting on a ship looking at an iPad thing. So it's interesting. I can confirm to you that if I use a nude app there would be no positives. [LAUGH] Yeah I'm not taking nude pictures of myself either, man. Maybe my wife might, no I'm just kidding, no. [LAUGH] What! [LAUGH] Taking pictures of me, I'm saying. [LAUGH] I actually have some really funny stories. Not associated with me but, I shouldn't get into it. People are gonna start wondering, okay. [LAUGH] I don't know why I even said anything, now people are like what? What if they identify screenshots. No I'm just kidding. [LAUGH] But if, now people are gonna be like, wait what were you just referring to. Maybe I'll talk about it another show. But not today. All right, here's the, this is kind of a fun one. It was a quote from [UNKNOWN]. I know we're kind of jumping around all over the place, we're kind of winding down before we get to our voicemails. But I clearly had poor organization on this how cuz I should of put this earlier, but [UNKNOWN] was recently interviewed by an Indian publication called Live Mint. And he was asked specifically, this is the question he was asked by them. Apple historically has a track record of coming out with industry defining products, whether it's the Mac or iPhone or iPod, but over the past decade there's been a perception that the pace of innovation and the pace at which Apple has come out with game changing breakthrough products has slowed somewhat. What do you have to say about that? Here's Eddie [UNKNOWN] had to say, no way. First of all, the iPhone is ten years old, that is the last decade the iPad came after that and the Watch came after that. So I disagree. But [UNKNOWN] with that and I think we've been incredibly innovative. That doesn't even take into the account the work that has been done on the MAC, IOS and MAC OS. From that stand point where I think we've led the market. When you think of the products that we've built overtime, you own a lot of them and you just assume that every year was a new product. But it wasn't. You can't do revolutionary new products every two months or six months or whatever. They take time. Yeah, he's right. He's right, but he's also saying that the iPhone is ten years old. The iPad came after that and the Watch came after that. Look, when he brings up those as kind of the big three, the iPhone was under SJ, the iPad was under SJ. The Apple Watch is really Tim Cook's baby now. I will tell you for the record, I do love the Apple Watch now as a Series 3 LTE version, only because if it fits my lifestyle, specific used case of being able to work out and still be connected. If I didn't do that I still think the Apple Watch would be nice-ish, good, but not a great revolutionary break through product. It just isn't. And so, that's what the question was. I think what's really telling is that Eddie Q was instantly defensive about it, which tells you that They do have a complex. And they are hearing this buzz over the past let's say maybe, Yeah. It's couple of years. Couple of years that they aren't innovative. People are saying that they don't want it to become a reality. And the way that Eddy Cue reacted was clearly like the knee jerk like no way. We're not. But if you look at the examples he gave There's, where's the latest quote unquote innovative products? They should have asked a followup, what about the Amazon Echo and the Google Home? Why weren't you guys in that space, that's one of the new platforms that is innovative. Apple wasn't in that game at all, they have the Home Pod now, but again that's a great example that they should have followed up with, well you missed that boat. Yeah, It's still really early in the Apple Watch, so I mean, it still does have the potential to be an extremely innovative product later down the road. Like, I know they're getting into the health care business and all that stuff. So it does have the potential. We might not see it now, but we could see it in the future. And you're right, like the whole Amazon Echo home pod thing. They are behind, but Apple was also the first one that I ever talked to a robot on my phone, like with Siri. So, you know, I agree and I disagree with him, but they definitely have made things that I use a lot, and it's changed my behavior, I'm talking to robots now regularly. I don't have an Apple Watch, but he doesn't have a good argument there Well i think the other thing when I see this argument, I agree with you but I also would say the iPhone was a hit right out of the gates. People were like, "Holy crap." The iPad was actually kind of poo-pooed until people saw it. After Apple's keynote- I had so many people that told me, whatever the iPod is a big, the iPad, sorry, the iPad is a big iPod touch and guess what, once people first picked up an iPad for the first time, they were like holy crap right, they were able to get hits out of the gate Even the iPod. I owned the very first iPod that was only made for Apple users that was a fire wire based iPod and my windows friend at the time couldn't use it at all but when I showed it to them they were all like, "Holy crap this is awesome." But they weren't gonna buy it right? Yeah, yeah. So, that to me- To me I don't know when or if. Maybe it'll be the Apple glasses whenever they come out, but I haven't seen a product right out of the gate that people said holy crap. Yeah, totally. This is awesome. And that's hard. This is so hard. The people behind this are so much smarter than I will ever be. And so I will never claim to be smarter, or ever claim to be able to make a product like this, but it starts with a visionary at the top, and the fact of the matter is the Apple Watch was Tim Cook's baby, and it wasn't a visionary, it wasn't one of those amazing visionary products when it dropped. When it came out people were like, [SOUND] Okay, right? It's like a child of the iPhone, ya know? The iPhone came out, it was so huge. It was like a big wave, and it's still crashing now. They're still riding that wave and all these other products are like little offshoots of the iPhone really, like the Apple Watch looks like a tiny iPhone. Yeah and I think there's room over the course of a product. For it to evolve and get a lot better, like example, iPad Pro. That's still probably my favorite device over the past year. One of my favorite devices, that, I guess, well the Echo was earlier than a year, but the iPad Pro is a great example of a product that finally when they decided to look at the software and create some new software innovations. That made it at least a special, unique product. Not that it does what a Surface does, but that makes the iPad something of its own, it became exciting again. So you can have a product evolve over its lifespan. But I'm talking about even whether it evolves or not over its life span, that initial gut check reaction when you see something and you play with it, like my gosh this is amazing. We haven't really seen that Since this SJ days. Yeah, yeah. We are kind of doing that with VR now. We are sort of getting that with VR you know? And they still have a lot of work to do with VR. because people are not adopting it. But we are getting close. I think VR right now is in an inflection point where a lot of manufactory made stuff for it. Like [UNKNOWN] but not enough software is there to support it. People have their resources spread all over the place. You don't have as many of the top companies like the top game developers are still developing primarily for Playstation and Xbox. And then some on Nintendo Switch. But it's not like every major developer is developing for VR. And that is it's biggest obstical. Like I have a PSVR And I'm not using it because there's not enough stuff for it. If there's nothing, that says that you've got to use this. That's more of a software issue, it's always software and hardware together, but again, right out of the gates, the software and the hardware for the iPhone was money. The software and hardware for the iPad, they were like, dude this is awesome. Those are the experiences that we haven't been able to get from Apple for a while so. .And that's okay. They're a different company. We wanna kinda counterbalance why Eddy Cue is so defensive, because it's true. It's true, it's damn true! As Kurt would say. It's true. It's true, it's damn true. All right, you know what? I'm gonna skip this last story cuz we're rolling. Let's just go to the phone calls. BJ, are you cool with that? Let's do it, baby. Let's do it. Thank you all for calling, there was a lot of good calls. We actually had a ton of calls, and I had to really- Did anyone ask, tell them it's their birthday? What's that? [INAUDIBLE] you remember when last week we had someone call and say it's my birthday and we said happy birthday and we were worried that people would call saying, Hey it's my birthday too. Why don't you wish me a happy birthday? We didn't actually, no. I didn't have any birthday calls today. Well, people are honest. Thanks for being honest, everybody. Okay, here we go. I got music playing. Okay, here we go. And I'm move this guy down. Okay, here we go. Yo, what's up Brian? What's up Beach? This is K-Star from Illinois. K-Star! Listen, I got a question about the Apple watch. The 3rd generation one, the LTE. As far as, in your fine friends feature. How would that work with the watch? So, Of course, you have to give access to someone to see where your location's at. So say, if I'm at for a run with the watch, and my phone's at home, and someone wants to see where I am, would it show where I am with the Watch or would it show where I am at home? So anyway, I look forward in seeing what you guys got to say. And yo, Brian, were you ever in a boy band [LAUGH] back in the day and stuff? I know you're always singing and stuff. I mean, you got some nice falsettos there or whatever. [LAUGH] Anyway, thanks for the show, man. And I look forward to hearing what you guys are gotta say. Peace. Kstar hip hop. I'm sure everyone was like. [MUSIC] So the funny thing about the whole find my phone iPhone whether it defaults to your watch or your phone. I actually, I honestly don't know that specifically. I guess I should try it out. The only thing is that I don't actually use find my friends cause I just don't. I think if you have a family a lot more people use it but for me Right now, because I don't use it at all. I don't like people knowing where I am, they don't have to know exactly where I am at all the time. That's kind of creepy Beach. Isn't it? Yeah, it's a little creepy. I don't use it either. Little creepy. I'm not faulting anyone that does it, because I completely understand, but I'll try it out and see what it says. I'll try it out. And see what it defaults to but then actually that's hard because I'll be wearing my watch while I have my phone so I'm gonna have to have someone else do it. So someone else have to track you where you are from their phone to see if it works? Yes, yes exactly that's the tricky part, so. to be determined. Also, no boy band, but I did do a lot of choir and singing stuff in high school. Nice. I was in choir, too. I was one of those guys. Quick little story. We had a tryout group that would then perform and stuff, for senior citizen homes and festivals and stuff. Nice. We were called The Variations. But one of my friends liked to call us affectionately, "The Irritations." [LAUGH] That's a good one. The Irritations. What a jerk! [LAUGH] Alright. Alright, next call. Cool. Next call, here we go. Hey, this is Matthew, calling from Boston, Massachusetts. Love the show guys, there's been ten iPhones now. Rank them one through ten. What do you think? And Brian, where do you get your shirts? Those t-shirts, I love them. They're fire. Give me the website, later. [LAUGH] I guess I gotta show a plug and do some love. Okay so I get my shirts from a lot of places, but the main spot that I've gone to for years, my friends At designed by humans, just three words all together designed by humans. Check them out. They have all the crazy stuff, a lot and they're also supporting a lot of independent artists like some really amazing stuff. And then I just get other clothes from other places but that's My T-shirt spot. That's one of them. And then I also go on to red bubble. Sometimes I'm just weird. I'll just search for something on Google. And then if I see a shirt that I like then I just go that's the one I like. I'll do Bruce Lee shirts. And then I look at them and I'll be like that's the one I want. And so I use this tool that you might not be familiar with called Google. [LAUGH] I hear that's very helpful in finding stuff. Okay wait, well this other question was about, what's the Rank iPhones, the ten iPhones that are out. But we talked about this before and there's too many to rank and we didn't own all of them. So I think Brian- I actually, I owned all of them except one. Okay, cool. So do you wanna do yours first or you want me to do mine? I want you to do yours but I think what's fun about this segment. I want to encourage people that are listing, guys and gals, we're not gonna rank we're gonna try and remember what we can but I think it's more profound to rank your top five iPhones, okay? Cause that'll narrow it down and I think there's some clear reasons why. What we want you to do is if you guys and gals call us, or you can tweet me at Brian Tong, we want to hear your top five iPhones of all time, okay? It's @briantong, or you can voice call in at 1- What was the number? [LAUGH] It's on the screen. [LAUGH] 1-800 616-2638, okay? Cool So let's gets yours. Did you have five beats or I've own five, yeah. Okay, perfect so this is great. So let's start with you. Let's call your top five, your fab five. We're gonna call the fab five My Fab Five iPhone list. Number one, or wait. Should I start from my least favorite, right? Yeah, yeah, start from the bottom. Yeah my least favorite is my current phone, the iPhone 6s because there's nothing really great about it. It's too big, it's too uncomfortable for me to use. I still am Contemplating going to the SE and selling my 6S on Ebay. But I just haven't had time to do that. But that is my least favorite. Which is currently half. My second least favorite was the iPhone one. Because I mean, it didn't have video. There was a lot of things it did have but it was also extremely exciting when I first got it right. So, that's number four. Agree to disagree on that one. Okay. Okay, Gotcha. Number three, my third favorite iPhone because I loved how it looked. It was kind of in between 3GS and 5- So, I chose the four. I liked how it looked. I liked the size of it. It had video, all that stuff. My second favorite iPhone was the 3GS because that was the first iPhone that came out with video. Right? So when I got video, I went crazy shooting video all the time. I think that was like 2009 or 2010. Second favorite iPhone just because it was the first to have video. And my favorite phone of all time was the iPhone five. Because it was fast, it was that new sleek kind of look to. And it- The lightening cord. It was very light. Yeah, lightening port. It was very light in my hand. iPhone five was my favorite of the top 5. How bout you BT? Let's go back, so just really quickly, say the list of your five again because we had comments. My top one, my favorite number one iPhone 5, number two 3GS, number three iPhone four, Number four, iPhone 1, number five iPhone 6. All right, here we go. First of all, I'd like to start off with the worst iPhone that was ever made. It was an insult to Apple's identity, the iPhone 5c. It was the plastic iPhone, it got me mad, people got mad at me for ripping on it. It was completely out of character for Apple To release the iPhone 5C I had to get that out. [LAUGH] Cool. All right this is my top five. I have four and then I have a question mark. But I know that in my top five will be the iPhone X. Somewhere in the top five, the iPhone X will land. So right now I'm starting it off as the bottom of the five. Next up. The iPhone 7+, only because it was the first phone with the dual- iPhone, sorry. First iPhone with a dual lens camera, and it had that sexy portrait mode. And it was kind of like the highest evolution of that whole iPhones 6S, that design, the iPhone 7 plus, from six to 7 plus, that would be number four. Number 3, the iPhone 5S specifically because it was the first phone with touch ID and I. I love touch ID. It finally brought that functionality of using your phone like a wall that has been in Japan since I checked it out in 2002. Think about how long ago that was. 2002. Wow. They already had fingerprint phones. We didn't even have them here untill then. Number two, the iPhone 4. Arguably the best iPhone design we have ever seen From a visual perspective of the glass on both sides and the metal rim. It did antenna gate but I love it from a design standpoint, and my number one, iPhone of all time. Is the original iPhone. Yeah. One that started it all, the game changer. It's still works to this day. It was an amazing phone. I have to say the number one iPhone was the original. It changed, it rocked my world. I'm shocked that your iPhone 1 still works man. That's pretty incredible. So my order, top five from one to five. Original iPhone, iPhone 4, iPhone 5S, iPhone 7, and somewhere the iPhone 10. So when you let us know, we don't want the calls to be super long. Let us know your top five, just go down the line like that. And then maybe talk about one that sticks out for you. Cool. Right, cuz that's fair or tweet them out. The other one that I do want to say though, I think that should follow along the lines of a classic phone. I think the iPhone SE to me is kinda like a classic phone. You think so? Yeah. Because the size, the design, they've modernized it a little bit but, It's not on my top five but I think the iPhone SE over the course of the life of the entire iPhone family will end up being one of those iconicity type phones because it's basically like the iPhone 5 model. Yeah it's like the "every man's" phone right that Apple just put that one out there for anyone to use. It's not super high end, it's not- Low-end. It's like the every man, every woman phone. Yeah, I'm curious what people on the Twitter and [UNKNOWN] scope are thinking or saying, but yeah. Give us your top five iPhones, that's awesome. That's super fun. I like that. Right on, that's it man. We're done. Wait, you forgot one call. Do we have one more call? Yes, this is the most important call actually. I'm very sorry but let's listen to this real quick. Here we go. Hey, Brian. Hey, Steven. This is Mike. I like your show, I appreciate that you guys do the work and I just want to talk about the [INAUDIBLE] Actually, Apple didn't say anything about the base LS at their event. Then why is there so much buzz around for base LS, base LS? I didn't get that, thank you. [LAUGH] Base LS, base LS. Okay, that That's gonna be the new like meme here for the show, man, Bezel-less bezel-less bezel-less. [LAUGH] I'm gonna cut that out of this- Dude, please cut it out! Cut it out! Use it. Bezel-less bezel-less bezel-less. Okay thank you for calling, that is so awesome. Look, the whole bezel-less thing is just a buzzword across the industry. A screen with no edges to give you a bigger screen. That's the direction everyone's going. That's why people are pooping on the Google Pixel Two because it's not really a truly [INAUDIBLE] screen. I think that's bunk because the phone is awesome. Like, it's not gonna stop me from getting that as my second, kinda my work phone. My Google phone. So sacrilegious, guess what yeah. I do use a pixel for my work phone. But my daily driver is without a doubt, an iPhone. Come on, I'm in the ecosystem. I'm locked in like that. So that's why people care about bezel-less, bezel-less, bezel-less. Bezel-less, bezel-less. We've gotta make a remix man. Bezel-less, bezel-less, bezel-less.>>Cool so that is it, that is all of calls, all of our stories. Thank you guys, everybody. Yes. Say good bye. That is awesome. All right, we'll see you guys next time. Remember call us 1-800-616-2638 that's gonna deal for this week, stay safe. Have a great week, weekend, enjoy. Thanks for listening. We'll catch you all next week. Be safe. Peace. Peace out. [MUSIC] [MUSIC]