>> I know. Welcome to the CNET UK Podcast. This is episode 169 for January sometime, but we don't know exactly when. Joining me today are Rich Trenholm.
>> And our biggest fan, Natali Del Conte.
>> I am your biggest fan.
>> Are you actually our biggest fan?
>> I really am.
>> You're not just making it up. You're not making me feel good.
>> No, I wouldn't do that. I'm slightly incapable of insincerity actually. I never give compliments that I don't mean, which means I almost never give compliments.
>> That's a good thing.
>> I'm a supremely rude American.
>> Brilliant. Okay, so what we're going to do today is we're going to talk about CES, and we're near the end. We're going to decide what we like, what we didn't like.
>> Right. Have you told our listeners that we are, in fact, at CES?
>> We are at CES.
>> And in front of a studio audience.
>> In front of a studio audience.
>> Hello, audience. Same reaction last time into the show here that there was no one here. When CNET UK Podcast came on, whenever went. They don't know who we are.
>> I wanted Ron Howard to come on and say, "CNET UK is filmed in front of a live studio audience," you know, Happy Days style. That would be great.
>> Well, you just did it.
>> Let's kick off then. So it's been a big year for 3D.
>> You know, 3D is the technology of now.
>> It is.
>> You know, every year has been talked about 3D. This is the first time we've actually seen some actual products and some actual headshots.
>> No one really gave release dates or prices. Did they?
>> I don't think so, but Panasonic's the closest I think. They've announced this on the CNET award winning, indeed. And they've announced this product that looks like the most well-rounded 3D TV I've seen.
>> Well, Panasonic have a whole range from end to end, because they've announced that a television network, they're going to have three 3D channels. They've announced a 3D camcorder; although, that's going to be made to order. It's going to be 21,000 dollars, so that's not exactly one that you're going to be getting from Best Buy or anything. But I think, yes, they've got the TV. So they've got a whole end to end 3D thing. So they really seemed to be committed to the whole production process.
>> Yeah, I know they've been involved. They were promoting Avatar, and so they've obviously got an interest in 3D. And everyone sort of feels like 3D is going to be a big thing this year. But apparently this is the best part. How do you feel about 3D generally? Are you a fan or not?
>> I like 3D. I'm slightly sick of hearing about it. I think it's just because we're at CES. I was saying recently that if I had a nickel for every time someone said 3D I would bet it all on black, and then maybe I'd be rich.
>> And then I wouldn't have to be covering things like this; although, I'm happy to. I'm not sure how much I'm coveting this. I think World Cup is going to be a really big determining factor. Once World Cup comes around, because we'll see Sony shooting in 3D. We'll see ESPN broadcasting in 3D to like five people at home. So, yeah, I think it remains to be seen. It's just one of those things where it's like yeah, we can. Do we want to?
>> Yeah, that's how I feel about it. Are you a fan, or do you--
>> Not really. Here is kind of the perfect conditions. They've got the food and they've got the glasses. They've set it all up, and it looks fantastic. But when you're actually having it in the home, I'm already wearing one pair of glasses. I don't want to have to wear two pairs of glasses just to watch tele, you know.
>> I propose the other day that they institute some 3D contact lenses. I don't know how you would do that. You would have to have cables coming out of your contact lens.
>> Oh, that would be painful I think.
>> I think so, but at least you wouldn't have to wear glasses if you are a glasses wearer.
>> If that short circuit it, it might just ruin your vision forever.
>> I think we would have prescription 3D glasses in due course.
>> Like next year.
>> You can wear them out in the street. I don't think it's ever really going to take off in human terms until they can do it without glasses.
>> I agree. There are a couple without glasses demos here, and none of them have been that impressive.
>> They're not great.
>> You feel like you're going to die of a brain tumor or something, because it's this really intense sensation.
>> We didn't feel this ambivalence when HD came along.
>> No, no.
>> We didn't at all. We're like, "Yes, we will have that."
>> HD is the best.
>> We knew that it was coming, and I found it surprising. About half way through last year, I remember reporting that the manufactures were scaling back on OLEDs.
>> I thought we would see a lot more of those coming to the consumers, because we can see the difference in that. We do feel like, "Okay, this is a step up from just regular high-definition TVs. Why would they abandon OLED-TVs? Because consumers don't want it. And go towards 3D when it's not even a proven market.
>> No, it isn't at all. Have you seen the OLED 3D demo?
>> I have.
>> That Sony did. That is pretty good actually.
>> It's quite lovely.
>> Because one of the things that 3D really needs is good color like strong color. Otherwise it looks washed out, and the OLED can actually do that in a way that does it justice. So it's definitely--that was probably the best 3D thing I've seen. I haven't seen the Panasonic yet.
>> It looks pretty good.
>> Well, one thing I think that 3D is kind of overshadowing the more interesting thing which is kind of real now, which is IPTV. There's been a lot of the deals announced. And it's kind of the thing like Skype that Samsung or Panasonic TVs, yes.
>> So you guys all got Netflix out here. We don't have that in the UK, but we have Love Film. So--
>> What's it called?
>> Love Film.
>> So we're going to get streaming video as well. It's like Netflix which is quite good. We are pretty excited about that.
>> Yeah, that's really cool, yeah.
>> Cool. Let's do another story. Let's talk about--you wanted to talk about with Polaroid announced they're going to bring back--they've got a concept instant camera again.
>> Yes, they have.
>> They made a dramatic exit from the market.
>> We're not making anymore Polaroid cameras, and then now they're back. It's only a concept. Is that right?
>> It is a concept, yeah. It's--I mean, it looks lovely. I think they've kind of gone down that route to try to remind people they're still alive by having a really cool looking concept.
>> Even if it doesn't necessarily work or actually makes it to charts.
>> Is it using that, their zero ink thing?
>> It's not, no. It's using their one instant film that's left. I believe it's Polaroid 1,000. They're still making that one particular film, and this is what supposedly is going to use it. But whether it'll actually hit the shelves or not, we don't know.
>> But it's not that chemically sort of took a long time in order to develop. Remember that where you had to, if you touched it, you could streak your finger across if you wanted to.
>> That's what it's supposedly going to do, yeah. But it's designed to look like one of the old fashion ones, so it's got this kind of wood effect finish. So it's, a lot of people been photographing it, really. I mean, it's generated more photographs for people taking pics of it then it ever will actually take real pictures.
>> You've got to love that around here. So you saw Beams.
>> Beams, yes.
>> Beams, did you see the demo? Was it Show Stoppers that it was out?
>> It was at Show Stoppers before the show started.
>> Yeah, they do these after show party things for big showcases. And we were at--
>> What is it?
>> It's kind of been around for a while. It was slighted by, I think, Gizmodo a couple of years ago. They're still going, and it's basically this kind of--it's almost like Guitar Hero, but instead of a guitar it's like a Theremin, you know. The thing where you wave your hands around.
>> It makes it sound like this [sound effects]. It's really weird.
>> I didn't know if I just didn't know what that was, or I can't understand your accent.
Beams and Guitar Hero, I'm sorry. I need it in kindergarten language.
>> Well, anyways, so this thing is kind of like that. It's a bit of a game where you wave your hands around and break certain beams that triggers off sounds.
>> It's kind of fun. And you can play along to their versions of real songs. So there was a lot of Lady Gaga, because Lady Gaga seems to be everywhere in those particular shows.
>> She is.
>> All you hear is Lady Gaga.
>> She is CES whore that Lady Gaga.
>> That Black Eyed Peas song is just everywhere.
>> We've been over in the CNET trailer.
>> I think Dr. Dre feels really upset about it. I'm sure he does.
>> And they've got a subwoofer demo, haven't they? And all you can hear is this rumbling bass constantly.
>> Every now and again the trailer just starts shaking, and your laptop vibrates off the table.
>> Well, I love how Lady Gaga, she's working with Polaroid and Monster. And they deliberately put those two stands next to each other, so you can just wheel her from one to the other.
>> She doesn't have to do any more walking.
>> She's a crazy chick.
>> Chick. Now this Beams thing sounds kind of like Natel. Is it?
>> It's not really. It's just you're too high concept there. You've taken it to a level that it isn't I think aimed at. It's quite basic.
>> It is, yeah. It's kind of a toy really. It's kind of like this trident shape unit, and you've got the beams going kind between there the force of the trident.
>> Oh, okay.
>> So you kind of break the beams with your hand, and it's got some prerecorded samples.
>> So, yeah, it's kind of fun.
>> Sounds kind of fun.
>> Yes, kind of fun. But not a lot of fun. So Palm have announced they've got a new Palm Pre and a new Palm Pixi. How is the Palm Pre doing in this country? Is it selling well?
>> It's not selling super well. I remember last year, you know, was our best of CES. And the problem is that they have like two apps.
>> For it. There's no applications for the Palm Pre. They had a great phone. We were all super excited about it. And apparently there was some developers that were saying it's a pain in the backside to develop for it which is why developers juts don't do it. It's not a friendly application platform.
>> Well, everyone loves the--definitely the iPhone, because it's actually a proven way to make money.
>> The developers for the iPhone actually get paid, and apparently that's one of the criticisms that's been about the Google offering is that it's actually much harder to end up making money out of that.
>> So everything you get on Google is--there are lots of free apps, which are all very good. But if you want to make money, buy cheese. That's the only way to do it. So have they fixed the razor sharp Edge, do we know? Because it was the sharpest phone I've ever used, the Palm Pre. It's like you can cut someone's head off with it.
>> Really? I haven't noticed.
>> Yeah, if you run your finger along it, you can draw blood. Ouch.
>> So maybe you can shave with it in the morning.
>> Well, maybe not shave with it obviously.
>> Yeah, we're rocking the unshaven the British look. I don't know why that is.
>> It works for you both though. And I remember last year when it was announced that--who was it that their speaker, the CEO? He said sort out of the side of his mouth that it will tether. And then it never did. And so now they're releasing it to Verizon, and saying that it will become a hot spot essentially tethering. So--
>> Which I think is the coolest feature, because I can--when I hear or whatever, and when I need to use my laptop, and I'm not near a Wifi spot or anything, that's exactly what I need.
>> But no one really does it. There is an app for the Nokia phones that does that. But it's a pain. It doesn't work brilliantly, so it's actually quite exciting to see support for that in a phone.
>> Well, I think one of the problems with that is that tethering is a great idea, but a lot of the networks are not keen on it. I mean, the iPhone for example can tether, but it costs you a fortune in the UK with that O2. They make you buy a separate package, and it costs an absolute fortune. If the networks can get the idea, it's a really good feature.
>> Do you have to pay extra for tethering, or do you have tethering here on the iPhone as well?
>> You don't.
>> We can't do it.
>> That is a shame. That is a terrible shame. You can do it with a hack if you jailbreak your phone in certain applications. But, no, you can't really do that. AT and T is really--as pitiful as it is, this is particularly in New York, so I would hate to see what would happen if we pulled computer data down off of that network.
>> Well, it's stressful in London. We have no problems with them.
>> But then the iPhone has finally opened up now. It's no longer exclusive in the UK. It's finally in orange.
>> That's not fair.
>> Which is good, because obviously here it's still only in AT and T.
>> And test goes. You can get it through TestGO at TestGO Mobil, which is their equivalent. They're owned by Wal-Mart, aren't they?
>> No. Good try, but no.
>> Okay. It's the equivalent.
>> Yeah, it's--
>> It's a sick market.
>> They've got they're own global court. Do they actually have a US variation really? I can't remember what it's called. It's like TestGO but different.
>> Is it an MVNO?
>> I don't know. I think it is.
>> It is going nowhere.
>> Yeah, it is. It runs off the O2 infrastructure, but they just sale it under the TestGO Mobil name.
>> It's not T-Mobile is it?
>> That's not an MVNO, you know.
>> Right. So have you been to the Intel stand?
>> I passed it but not through it.
>> Did you see their Cube of Orson as I termed it?
>> No, I haven't. And I was intrigued by the way that you put this.
>> It is awesome.
>> I've seen it. It's fantastic.
>> It's basic It's not really a cube. It's sort of like half cube, but it looks like a cube which is why I call it the Cube of Orson. And it's got this real-time sort of RSS reading thing, puts up stories. It's these rotating blocks, and you can attach top, and up comes this story. It's absolutely amazing.
>> Out of thin air?
>> Well, it's like a projection screen, but it's very high resolution. And it's just absolutely amazing to use. And everything is like [sound effects]. The demo is just outstanding. It's definitely worth going and checking it out.
>> That is very cool.
>> I don't know what the actual practical applications of it are. I mean, we're all going to have a cube in the corner of our lounge to keep us updated on Twitter feeds?
>> Could you just sort of send it into the vapor and then play with it that way?
>> It was a bit minority report actually. We're all waiting for hoverboards, aren't we? We were definitely promised hoverboards by 2010. It's 2010, no hoverboards.
>> I know tried to hover on that iPhone Craft remote control helicopter, and it would not lift me.
>> That's the Drone.
>> The Drone, Parrot Drone.
>> Excellent. That's quite cool actually.
>> It does look quite cool, but the thing is they're demonstrating it outside in their own special bit. They're not demoing it here. They weren't demoing the actual iPhone bit at any of the after show preview things we went to. That makes me wonder if it really works in, you know, really rare situations.
>> Really control. They don't even have a price or a release date for it; although, we used it one the CES Early show on one of my live hits on Wednesday morning or Thursday morning. And I tired. They were going to let me do it myself on the iPhone application, and it was really hard to do. And they're like, "You won't be able to talk and do it at the same time." And I tried, and I was like, "Yeah, I don't kneed to be worried about this on live TV." So I said no, and then we just had them fly it into our shot. So it's got a learning curve. It's a concept at this point. That's one of those like do we need it? I don't know, but we want it.
>> And it is cool, because it's basically a game, isn't it? It's like a video game but with the real world element so you can actually play and shoot at stuff. It's firing up on the screen.
>> Yeah. Well, people like remote controlled, you know, gadgets and cars and that kind of thing. So why not use the iPhone for that?
>> Absolutely. On a similar sort of thing, I saw earlier on it was called the Digitronix Star Striker, and it's an X-wing fighter. But it's not quite. It's just different enough that they didn't have to pay Lucas Film. And its just got a remote control similar kind of quadrocopter toy thing. And it looks exactly like an X-wing fighter. And they bring out versions of the Enterprise and spaceships. But all kind of contractually just the right side of copyright infringement, so that was pretty cool.
>> It's like we see those Lucas stars, the R2D2 webcam where you look into it, and it projects you in the Millennium Falcon or something like that. It's 300 dollars more than it needs to be because of the licensing fee that they pay to Lucas. So we don't really care about that.
>> The R3E2 or something like that.
>> And get away with it maybe.
>> Make it blue.
>> No one else needs to make money like Lucas. I mean, that guy is milking films that he made 20 years ago or more than 20 years ago now.
>> Exactly. We'll have to figure out how to do that with this podcast 20 years later.
>> Yeah. Do you think we can do that to get money? Actual pay or something. That would be amazing. So FlowTV. You have Flow TV in the US. It's a QUALCOMM thing.
>> I've been seeing it. Apparently it's coming to the UK sometime in the next two years, which is a good thing. It's exciting. Have you used it at all?
>> I haven't. I'm not a big fan of these technologies that bring regular broadcast TV to the mobile devices. I know Sling does this well. I don't have a lot of need for that, because I watch most of my programming in small chunks in either podcasts or what have you. So this kind of thing like do I want to watch cable news, and then half of that is commercial breaks on a mobile device where it's pulling down my battery? I think it's a cool thing. I'm not sold on that.
>> They've got exactly the product for you then. They may develop with the motion.
>> The Mophie yeah.
>> This thing that has an extra battery pack in and has all the hardware necessary to receive the signals and decode and everything. It looked quite good, but it does add an extra bulk to your iPhone. So it depends on how you feel.
>> Well, I have a Mophie on my phone right now. I don't care about that.
>> It probably would work quite well. Would that tempt you? Would that push you that direction?
>> It's not so much the battery life. I just don't care that much about live TV. And i pull down the pieces of TV that I want. And that's kind of the beauty of the iTunes marketplace is that I take it in bits and pieces. So maybe I'm just not the right audience. Maybe if I were the big sports fan and I needed to get sports programming on the go. I don't know. What do you want it for?
>> Well, I don't know. How do you feel about this portable TV thing?
>> I think it's a terrible idea.
>> Universal disdain. Excellent.
>> I'm just not that keen own watching shows on my phone anyway. I don't like watching films or watching TV on my phone. Certainly not live TV because of all the breaks and everything. And I'm really bad at committing to watching shows at well unless I can watch it all in one big chunk in like a box set or something. Live TV is so last century.
>> Absolutely. Well, no one is really cool about that then. Interesting. Fair enough. Have you seen the BOXEE Box?
>> I have seen the BOXEE Box.
>> The BOXEE Box is a fingerprint magnet, but it is beautiful. It's a wonderful, little cube of joy. I loved it. I've got an obsession with cubes it seems.
>> I think you do.
>> The BOXEE Box.
>> But it's not all symmetrical. It's hardly a cube. It's like a melting cube.
>> It is like a melted cube. It's pretty good. It's not going to fit very well in any home cinema systems.
>> No, and you're not going to be able to stack your DVD player or whatever, your Xbox on top of it.
>> Well, you could. But it might end in tears. I don't suggest it. It's sort of this bouncing thing that sits underneath your TV.
>> It's very tiny. When they announced it at the event in Brooklyn about a month ago, I was there. They said it's the size of a coke can, and it is. It's small.
>> Yeah, I was expecting it to be the size of a human head, but it's actually the size of a baby's head.
>> It is. It is. I think the shape of a human head would be nicer than that box actually.
>> Really. That wouldn't freak you out?
>> I don't like the shape of it.
>> You get a human head with built-in electronics under your TV.
>> Why not?
>> You can't stack DVDs on top of a human head as well.
>> Well, you can balance them especially if you have a head like mine. It's deceiving for things like DVDs.
>> Actually you could store your 3D glasses on the human head. You could stack them up.
>> There you go. Multi faceted BOXEE Box.
>> These are the products we want to see next year.
>> I am a fan of BOXEE, and I really like their new Alpha or Beta; the new BOXEE Beta. I've been using that for a while. It's great.
>>Agreed. Although you can get really small desktop like, you know, the sample ACER or something that you could use as a home media center. Plug that in with a HDMI cord into your TV, and then you have more than just BOXEE. You've got a whole Windows experience on top of that. So that also might be compelling.
>> Yeah, I'd like to see more of that kind of thing. And Windows Media Center is amazing if you get it working properly. But it's actually quite an uphill struggle to make it do everything you want. It's quite--you have to be kind of really into it. That's good. You know, are you fan of this kind of thing? You say you don't watch a lot of live TV. Is that the solution?
>> It could be perfect for me.
>> I was watching--the other day I was watching a lot of Revision 3 stuff on my TV, and it was like this is broadcast quality.
>> It is.
>> They totally changed how it works. It's just really very impressive. I mean, I am sold on it. It's very cool. So they recognize it's going to come out in the second half. But only in the US. And UK will be later.
>> I'll ship you one.
>> You know, We're playing second fiddle to you guys again.
>> It's outrageous. So the Sony Dash.
>> Sony Dash, well, the Sony Dash--there's been a few things like this. It's kind of similar to the O2 Joggler which you had for a while in the UK. It's kind of defies classification. It's almost like a tablet. It's almost like a digital photo frame. It's almost like an RSS reader. It's basically this kind of Wifi enabled digital pictures frame, alarm clock type thing. And you can--you know, you can use it to check calendars and widgets, that kind of thing. It has an app as well. It turns through the Chumby system, which I don't know if we have in the UK either which. We have apps and widgets and that sort of thing. And you can also look at Facebook updates and that kind of thing. It's pretty cool. You can have it in any room of the house. It's not like a computer that has to be sort of fixed. You can have it in your living room or in your kitchen even. So it's kind of cool. It's about 200 dollars. That's about 125 quid in the UK for the thing.
>> That's not too bad actually. I was sort of expecting it to be more than that. Does this sort of thing that excites you Natali?
>> Well, I did like the Chumby. I don't think anyone really needs it. It's one of those things where it's kind of a glorified alarm clock slash digital photo frame. And Chumby, have you seen the Chumby, the original?
>> I have not, no.
>> So it looks like the Sony Dash but surround in a pillow basically. It's very squidgy. It's a kind of weird way to describe it, but it's a weird looking device. A couple months ago, I want to say about six or seven months ago, they had announced that they're going to try and get that platform into home appliances. Like think of putting the Sony Dash in your refrigerator. So you go over and get the milk, and you see your traffic and news; what not. You go into the, I don't know, washing machine or near the shower or something like that. That's compelling to have that information sort of staked around your house. But I don't know. I think this device just in and of itself is a little expensive for something you don't really need that much. And I think it's interesting that they've abandoned the term widgets, because they originally said, "It's an internet machine. And we're going to put a bunch of widgets on it." Now they just call it apps. So apps are widgets. Widgets are apps. We just don't really say that anymore.
>> Apps is the buzz word now, isn't it?
>> I read somewhat that one of the people here has got a microwave with Android in it.
>> A microwave with Android.
>> That's cool.
>> I don't know what the point of that would be.
>> Maybe it's so you can read RSS feeds while you cook your baked potato.
>> While you wait for you ready meal to cook.
>> You can Twitter what you're warming up for dinner.
>> You could download a recipe and see how long you wanted it to cook for, something like that.
>> Well, actually, that is a good point. I want a good recipe for macaroni and cheese, and it does that for you. It would be quite good.
>> The Dash, they did say one of the selling points was get recipes on there. That's one of the reasons I'm a fan of like the HP Touch Smart, the net tops that sit in the kitchen or whatever and you page across. So I guess that's a good idea.
>> I think that's what this is really. It's kind of a blurring of the lines between the Tablet, the netbook and all theses things kind of becoming this one, does everything device; and the e-book reader as well. I've seen a lot of e-books readers here, but a lot of them have Wifi and do other things as well. [Inaudible] readers as well that does the Entourage Edge, which is basically like a netbook with two screens. One's an e-book screen eight inch screen, and the other one is a kind of netbook screen.
>> Have you seen the Novo U1?
>> That is cool. That is really cool. That's the sort of thing I can feel myself wanting quite badly. But I just love the idea of having something that you can use or the train or whatever. You know, I get stressed on public transport.
>> Yes, you are my favorite Twitter because of that. Because he regularly tweets a lot of frustration on the tube.
>> But not in a way that's friendly.
>> Not sensible for delicate sensitivities.
>> Yeah. There have been a number of meetings about that. But it's quite like the object of something small and light. And you can just have it out and look at WebPages or whatever. And it's just--it just struck me as a really good idea. Whether it will sell; it's a little bit too expensive maybe. Because it's like twice the price of a netbook, which is kind of annoying.
>> But it's not a netbook.
>> It's a fun featured PC. It's a very clever way. And I think [inaudible] is pushing that kind of thing, because they've got the LaPhone [assumed spelling]. I don't know why they call it the LaPhone. It's only available in China.
>> I know.
>> So it doesn't make a lot of sense, but it does have a dock you can do with a keyboard and stuff. They're obviously--they're all about the sliding and docking thing at the moment.
>> I guess sliding and docking.
>> I like it.
>>And this Nova thing, apparently they put a lot of thought into the syncing between the two bits, so you can be browsing by Firefox or Internet Explorer on the one bit, and then you take the tablet off. And it syncs your bookmarks and your history straight away; so you can then go away and use Firefox.
>> That is really cool. And I think they said they would eventually do that without other documents, not just web browsing in the future. I got to say, I think that's the only thing that I really did say, "Ooh" to at the show. Everything else, I'm like, "Cool 3D. Okay, Dash, yeah.
>> There's nothing like that.
>> But that one I said, "Ooh." That's a new thing. I like it.
>> There's a lot more evolution rather than revolution with that thing especially with camera, those kind of new versions of camera systems that were introduced a year ago or something like that. So, you know, the only camera system is the Samsung NX10 system which is kind of been superseded by Panasonic last year anyway. So yeah, there's a lot of kind of evolutionary technology rather than brand new ones.
>> Cool. We're coming not the end. But I just want to ask how you feel about the new Google phone? Are you hyped or not?
>> I'm not super hyped about it. I think that there's a lot of things about it that are cool. I like the speech to text in every field is very cool.
>> And you know what? If you laugh, it writes LOL.
>> It does. Because we were at the booth, and they were like--
>> Get out.
>> She did this thing. She dictated, and we all laughed at the end. I don't know why. It went LOL. I was like that is amazing.
>> Wow. OMG.
>> I don't know if it decides if you're roaming nor laughing.
>> It was cool.
>> What if you flatulate?
>> I have no idea.
>> You should try that.
>> It should go on the review I should think.
>> We should start over and try that in that case.
>> How do you feel about the Google phone? I hate to say this. I've got an iPhone now as well. But you guys are the iPhone fans. I'm really not. I don't like it as much as the Android. I really miss having the Hero. I just--
>> I just think the iPhone is a real sort of second place. I'm going to get shot. Someone is going to come and assassinate me on the CNET Stage, because--
>> Well, Apple's not even here. We should be able to say whatever we want.
>> We should, but--
>> They know. They know.
>> I like Android a lot, and I really wanted to see some formidable Android products in 2009. We saw some okay ones, and I think this is just another step in that direction with Android getting closer an closer to elegance; although, I will say I saw the HTC HD2, the new Windows phone.
>> It's very good.
>> It's lovely. And I normally don't get excited about Windows phones.
>> No, but that is--you're absolutely right. It's a fantastic phone. But the problem with Windows Mobile is you're never more than about two steps away from object failure. You do this. You do this, and then suddenly you're in Windows, and it just sucks.
>> And then suddenly you're back at the home screen.
>> It's good. It's a good operating system.
>> Or you have to press 600 buttons to do what Android and iPhone can do in one swipe.
>> I can say all the bad things in the world about the iPhone, but you've got say it's the simplest device out there, you know, for what people mostly want to do with them.
>> Well, we have here at the show as well as a couple of other phones that have a new interface, physical interface technology. There's the Motorola Backflip with the extra touchpad on the back. So you turn it inside out, and it's got this extra. I was using it earlier. It's really responsive. You can swipe through all the different home screens. And you're not blocking the real estate of the actually screen itself.
>> Well, Motorola getting any more special award for being the biggest jerks at the show by not letting me take photographs of any of the products on their stand.
>> Samsung as well.
>> What's the deal with this? If it's a secret don't bring it to a trade show.
>> I know, right?
>> One hundred thousand people. Why are you stopping me from photographing this? Do you want publicity or not? So, yeah, they get my big thumbs down. Alright. Well, we're pretty much done. We'll finish the show as is traditional with our sort of quirky end news points. Apparently we're not going home. So Natali, if it's okay we're going to come stay with you, because Britain is snowed in.
>> It is apparently snowed in. They're up to their necks.
>> And how are the British responding to this?
>> Well, according to--according to CNET blog posts, the snow in Britain is in sighting more infidelity, because people stay home, get on their social networks, and philander. And find ways to get in trouble. So you dirty Britain.
>> We're awful.
>> So our other halves are back there. God knows what they're getting up to.
>> See the thing is we've moved house. So there's not internet access at home. So I'm safe. My wife is loyal and without internet access.
>> She's snowed in with nothing not do.
>> She moved the house. Well, not the house physically. But she moved. You know, articulated truck thing look all the stuff. It can't be that bad or they'd be sliding around. My TV would have got cracked, which would have made me cry.
>> Oh, no while you're away. You can't leave for a second.
>> Did you see the picture of the satellite picture the UK?
>> It was white from top to bottom, totally covered in snow. It's--I've got it on my phone. I'll show you later. Absolutely amazing.
>> Well, then you must be glad to be here for a few days.
>> My face is going to come off. I'm so dry. My lips hurts. I've got no moisture. I'm a prune.
>> I see people running with chap stick just doing this perpetually.
>> Have you got refreshers out here? Like it's a fizzy sort of sweet kind of chalky thing.
>> Yeah, I don't know what that is.
>> You lost me completely.
>> I've got a chap stick that tastes like refreshers.
>> It means something to the UK but not to you guys I'm afraid. Alright. So Natali Del Conte, thank you very much.
>> Thank you for having me.
>> Let's not leave it another year. We'll do it again.
>> I will Skype in or just come to the UK.
>> Absolutely come to the UK. You're always welcome.
>> When it's open again obviously.
>> When it's slightly thawed out. Our good buddy Roy Reed has had his flight delayed by some 12 hours or something ridiculous, so he's now sort of cooling his jets trying to work out what to do for the next couple hours.
>> Where is he?
>> He's going to see family, but he's been stranded a bit. So nine o'clock tonight he's going back. Rich Trenholm, Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you very much everybody.
>> That's a wrap.
>> That's it. You're very kind.
>> I don't know when the oil needs to be changed. All you do is you press a little button. It automatically runs a vehicle health report, and it sends it directly either to my phone or my emails.
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