The 404 Show 1,591: Sony keeps getting hacked, Black Mirror, will VR ever work? (podcast)
The 404 Show 1,591: Sony keeps getting hacked, Black Mirror, will VR ever work? (podcast)
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The 404 Show 1,591: Sony keeps getting hacked, Black Mirror, will VR ever work? (podcast)

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So it's Friday night, and I'm having dinner. And I just get up, you know, whenever I get the urge, I get up and I wash my hands before I start eating all the bread. [LAUGH] Which is what I do. So I get up, I'm at like a. So a real good bread, like a good local bread? It was a pretzel bread. Forget it, dude. Oh, we got like a bunch of that in our freezer. Yeah. Yeah, I'm, it's amazing. So, this very fancy steakhouse I'm at, I get up. I walk to the bathroom. And the gentleman sitting right before the hallway entrance to the bathroom, I catch a glimpse at him for a second. And I continue on my way. And as I enter the hallway to the bathroom, I'm like, that was Michael J Fox. And I like, froze. In the hallway, cuz I was like, oh my God. That's Michael J. Fox right there. Just right outside the bathroom? Right outside the bathroom. Just having dinner with his lovely wife and another couple. Wait. What, where was this? I don't know if I should like say the restaurant cuz it's a little. Okay. I don't want to be that guy to like. But in your neighborhood, where you? It was in Midtown Manhattan. Oh, in Midtown, okay. Yeah, yeah. That's safe. I just was curious if this was like. Far away or close by? Right, right, right. No, it was definitely close by. I walked over there for dinner. And it's funny, cuz Stacey had gone to the bathroom before me. So I go in, and I beat her outside. And I'm waiting there, because I want to tell her. [LAUGH] So, I'm like camped out the lady, outside the ladies room. She comes out. And I'm like, shh. And she's like, what? What's going on? I'm like, when we walk outside, you have to look. And I literally like drew a map on my palm of, of, the palm of my hand to like show her where he's sitting. [LAUGH] And not to look that obvious when she goes out and just sort of glances at him. So. So. So my. So, this worked? Yeah, so. The stealth plan worked? Yeah, it totally worked and I [UNKNOWN]. I think it would be so [UNKNOWN] you're sort of like turning, and making, [UNKNOWN] like you have a map you're holding in your hand? Basically. So I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, just, just, act normal. Get ready. I'm gonna act calm. And when you go outside, he's facing our table. And this, he's sitting right in the adjacent booth. Like, he's right next to us. Okay. It was crazy. So, [LAUGH] so I go. I go, go, I'll let you go like 30 seconds before. Just look casually. He's right, he's right here. And I had to whisper because I was scared he might even hear me. Yeah. So, she goes. WIth those head gestures. Yeah, she goes. And, I wait 30 seconds. I sit down, and I see her at the booth. And she's just like, a smile ear to ear like, I don't know. I've gotten to meet a lot of celebrities in my time. I've never, and I didn't meet him. I just saw him. I've never been so star struck. Like, that's Marty McFly, man. That's pretty cool. I've never met him before. I- I've never seen him. I didn't know what to, like and then, so we sat, and we had a party of six, so we're sitting down in a booth. Yeah. And there's these two booths that are adjacent to each other, they're both facing out towards the street. And, I'm like, I, I li, I basically like duck down in the booth to all the rest of the people that I'm sitting there with. I'm like, guys, guys, everyone sh. I'm like everyone shut up, shut up for a second. It was a loud restaurant, you couldn't really tell. I'm like, just shut up. Okay? Behind her head, one of the people we were with. I'm like, don't look right now, do not look right now, but Michael J. Fox is sitting there, just having dinner. Just enjoying himself. And he, he looked great, and he just, he's just. He's just seemed like such a good dude, and I was like, man, I just. That's awesome. I was like. I had to stop myself from like going over there and hugging him. Did this like set you up for the whole weekend? This was like, this is it. This was rocket launch, do it through the weekend. [LAUGH] There's a. [LAUGH] You're still on that high. I can see it. I am. Well, because I'm reliving it now. And the funniest thing was, the first thing I thought to do, I don't know why. Yeah. Was text my mom. Because I knew if there was one person that was gonna get a, a kick out of it. She would just loose her ****. Moms can be really good at that. Sometimes Mom doesn't really care. Right. And that's always like a, a downer. But, most of the time it's a good, good first attempt. Right. And she knows how I feel about Michael J. Fox. I know how she feels about, every. Who doesn't like Michael J. Fox? So, [LAUGH] I get there. And she freaks out, okay? And she goes, say hi to him. And I wrote, and that's why, and then, then all of a sudden I was like, man am I glad she's not here. Oh, yes. Because that would have been the worst. [CROSSTALK] We, I'm like, I've already got it. I can't ask that. [LAUGH] I was like. The family errand with the celebrity? That's a tough one. You'd, maybe. Ask him about this movie. Yeah. Ask him this one thing, for me. Exactly. Go over there. There's a certain unwritten law in Manhattan. You don't do, you don't. Maybe on the street you say, hey, hi, and you keep walking. You keep walking. You don't even stop. You should. You should, but in a restaurant, when he's with a family. No. You do not. You can, you can get a little peak. Maybe a smile. That's it. But New Yorkers love to. Push in there. Actually, and we a couple of things. We had dinner a long time ago, and Paul Simon was at the restaurant. Yeah. It was a family theatre outing. My family just went right over and talked to him. Right. They were just like, Mr. Simon, we love your music. We want to talk, and he. Sure. Was he, was he upset? No, he was, he was happy. Yeah. It was, it was like the, you know, they paid reverence without being quite too much the elevator guy. It's a, there's a, I feel like there's a fine line. You don't want to be the Chris Farley elevator guy. There's a fine line. Yeah, oh, yes. [CROSSTALK] You know? My parents, my parents ran into Jon Stewart in Red Bank, in New Jersey. Yeah. And they were able to like successfully make it happen. There's, there's a fine line though, dude. I, we were in an elevator, my dad and I in Las Vegas once with Roger Ebert. Right. We got in. It was just us three. We were going up to some floor. I think to our hotel room. My dad loved Roger Ebert. Sure. The conversation did not go well. Oh, really? No, it was tough. My dad was very gushy about it and was really excited. Mm. And he, he was there for a convention. The backfire, the backfire on him. Well, he was just kind of. I'm here for a convention. Very, very cool. Yeah. And and, you know, it seemed okay. But just kind of seemed like he was busy. And then my dad was just mentioning stuff, and he wasn't as excited. He wasn't as excited to meet my dad, surprisingly. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] That's odd. You'd be, you'd be amazed. But there, recent, actually, I went to a wedding in California. Similar to yours. I walked past Arnold Schwarzenegger. What happened there? In Atherton, California. Hm-hm. I freaked out, because. I was with my mom and my sister, and we're just talking. And then coming just right, we're walking one way and down the other way is just Arnold Schwarzenegger talking to someone. Okay. And I'm just like looking at him as I walked past. And I didn't wanna tell my sister. I turned to her afterwards, eh. It was Arnold Schwarzenegger. Right. And she, why didn't you tell me? Right, right. And then, coming back from the cafe, we saw him again, walking. [LAUGH] man. He was just strolling up and down the street. But. yeah. [CROSSTALK] I was pretty, I was pretty stunned,. Didn't know what to do. Yeah. It, it's always such a weird situation, what to do. Ariel, you ever run into anyone like that? That's an amazing. That's, that's good. You still have the energy. yeah, I have. Yeah. I have. I mean, I've ran into a lot of celebrities and like musicians and stuff. Yeah. But I've never really gotten star struck. The one time I did. Was when I met Mohammed Ali.>> Oh man! Yeah, and I was in LA, and I was just walking down Rodeo or something like that, some rich area of LA and he was just right there. Just standing there. But I didn't say anything. I just kept going. Cuz. Just kept on going. Yeah because you know, he's an older guy, and there was a crowd forming so I was like alright, I could tell he doesn't want this. For sure. But that was awesome. That's amazing. Yeah. That was my excitement for for the weekend and it all it all happened on on Friday. That's awesome. That's that's fantastic. It's pretty good stuff. I'm excited for that [LAUGH], I'm excited for that for you. [LAUGH] Yeah, totally. It's Monday, December 8, 2014. Let's start the 404 Show. [MUSIC] Welcome to the program ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for tuning in to The 404 Show. I'm Jeff Bakalar joined by Scott Stein today. Thank you for being here. Hello. Yeah, and I'm glad to be here. Glad to share- Happy. In the enthusiasm. Happy week before Hanukkah or week and a half. Yeah. Or wait, is that what, Hanukkah's soon? It's la, oh actually I'm celebrating it early because I'm going away to. With my family. Right. But I think it's like the 17th? See. It's late this year. Last year was Thanks-ma-ka. Oh, right. When it landed. That was like. When, when that, when that cosmic theological eclipse happened. Turkey and latkes, and bad Jets football. [LAUGH] Actually, they weren't playing that year, but the year before, anyway. Ariel Nunez in the control room. Howdy. What's up, Ariel? How are you? Chilling. Good, good, good. man. I, so, Hanukkah's weird because Hanukkah's the one holiday that like jumps around a bunch. Well they all jump around for the most part. It's skittish. Make up your mind. It's a skittish holiday. Like make up your mind Hanukkah. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] Do you wanna be a Thanksgiving thing or do you wanna be a Christmas thing? Or do you just freak everyone out and just bleed into the New Year? It like kinda wants it all. It wants to be like. Don't do anything here. This is my month. Anywhere it could be anywhere, where it's now where it's like too late we're going away. I feel like we're not going to celebrate it properly. I. And for the record when does it start? Because I, I do not know. The 17th? Oh my god here's my 17th? here is where my grandparents roll over in their graves. I was typing in when does Hanukkah start. Well we always have to plan. With my kids and my cousin and my sister and my. Yeah. We had to plan all this stuff. So Chanukah begins the evening of December 16th. Okay. That's a week from tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, how about that? And ends on Christmas Eve. See, it's just like a fluid, this year it's just, Chanukah as the preview, not for the same religion, but you have this connection, we celebrate both. On both sides of the family. You know what I'm getting for Chanukah this year? No. Oral surgery. Oh. Awesome! Wait, on the first night? [LAUGH] Yeah, sounds awesome! What are you getting for the second night? No, that's the finale for me, the Chanukah for me. I'm actually giving and not taking, they're removing something from my face. They're also removing money from your from your account. Yes. Hopefully, that's well. I always, I always get nervous about like making sure I have enough to, to cover that at any time. [LAUGH] There, I never know what's gonna happen. It's like. You're right. It's always a crap shoot. It could be like, it could be free. It could be like, I mean, a million dollars. No, this is not, this is not free. [LAUGH] Yeah, I know. [LAUGH] The best. Man, I haven't had like serious dental work in a very long time, and I know. [CROSSTALK] I need to go. It's just crazy because they don't, they have, they really have no idea like what each company's gonna cover. They're like, this could be $300, or $5,000. Yeah. I was like, alright. Well as long as it's that small of a range of prices. Do you find, I hate when I go in. They tell me, I pay what I think is the amount that it's gonna cost. Yeah. And then, like a few weeks later, some other letter arrives, and they're like, this is the amount you owe. [LAUGH] You're like, this isn't gonna fake me. Yeah. [LAUGH] Whenever they [LAUGH] Spanish President. Total lie. Like what the hell is going on? Yeah, they don't wanna tell you that to your face. And, and then you have to arbitrate or whatever. You're so cryptic. It's like all of the, all, it's like all of America's, you know, Medicaid and, and medical insurance passes through the North Korean government. And then comes back here to be deciphered. My family are mostly doctors. I always ask questions about this type of stuff, and they never want to answer it. Yeah. Cuz it's a, it's a sore subject. Yeah. All right. I, I didn't think we were gonna have to bring this back and I briefed Scott before we got going today. Okay. I didn't think we were gonna have to revisit this awful topic but it's just, it's just kind of blowing up in the Discovery Channel's face so hard that I just wanna reopen that wound. We're talking about the **** from last night's Eaten Alive episode. Obviously if you listen to our show you know how we feel about this. So the guy who was supposed to get eaten alive by a 20 foot Anaconda. Okay? Author, Paul Rosolie is his name. If you're looking, went to, like inspiration for genius. To, to like, angry, angry memes. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Right. You want to put that in there. He was only briefly munched by a 20 foot anaconda before he got oh, a little scared. Dude, what did you expect? Yeah. One of nature's most fearsome sort of predators. And you were like, oh man wait, it's really eating me. That was a terrifying idea from the get go. It, it, it encapsulated many people's worst nightmares, so yeah, we thought he I thought he was gonna transcend that. I thought [INAUDIBLE] I thought he was gonna show us. Yeah it's like you know, you're gonna tell me the nightmare clown's not under my bed and he was like no, Im not gonna do it. It's a nightmare clown. You want. Getting eaten by an anaconda. Was he worried that the suit. I'm worried that the suit would leak. The anaconda acid proof suit. Well they said it was, yeah that it was preventative against digestive acid but how do you know if you're in there until like oh guys, guys, my arms, actually my arm is being eaten right now. There's a leak. digestive juices on my arm. How do you get out? You can't. The ben, the bent is the quote though. What [INAUDIBLE] Like, so you, so you, the whole thing you just laugh at cuz it's like, man what kind of jackasses are really running this network because let's be honest. This was the most **** idea I've ever heard for a television show. To get that far Come on. Discovery channel too. Like. Yeah. Let's never forget that. Let's never forget this is under the umbrella of, the Discovery channel. Well, it seems painfully invasive for the anaconda. Yeah. Right? It seems like that might. If look at it from that end. If you're the anaconda. Right. You're talking about anaconda protection or. It's amazing what they say. Conservation. They go, ultimately, after the snake constricted Paul for over an hour, and went for his head, the experiment. They're calling it an experiment Okay. And not just, like, [LAUGH] playing with fire. The experiment had to be called when it became very clear that Paul would be seriously injured [LAUGH] if he continued on. The safety of Paul, as well as the anaconda, was always our number one priority. ****. I'm sorry man, how, how can you say force feeding an anaconda a human in a weird suit is in any way in the safety interest of said anaconda. Like how? Not at all. Not at all. But I think you're right. Maybe what happened was I'm just thinking, if you went through the first experiment. Those have really strong muscles, right? They, they can like, crush a car. My first thought would be, so you'd be protected in the suit. It would break your spine or do something. You would get so contorted. Yeah. In there. That's probably what he began to realize. It was like, oh wow, my head's being. He, the. Bent backwards. Yeah. So that I shall die. Yeah. Because I'm going into an Anaconda, what, I don't know maybe that's it. It, it's insane. I just, I had. It's impossible. It's crazy. We'll never get to the point where we're able to be swallowed in an anaconda. Thankfully [LAUGH]. That moment, we have hit our limit. God it pisses me of so much. I just Right? don't understand and that's the only reason I'm bringing it up because the guy after all this, after all the weeks and weeks leading up to this, and the protests and everything. He got cold feet and he pussed out. I think first of all you could, if you were smaller you'd thing you'd want like a smaller adventurer. To, to wear the suit. [LAUGH] right. [LAUGH] To. Someone, a good contortionist? Wait, let's hear if this, this. Or someone who's just like, can fit like, like acrobats who can fit into a tiny box. He, I don't think he was that tight. I think he was just like a guy. I want to. Just felt like could do this. I want to see if this offends you, which it probably will. If it probably, yeah. It was an offensive thing we were talking about. Okay. But we. We got crazy, we went totally off the deep end with other ideas they could do. And we were- And back out of. Well not back out of Things that I think would be interesting. We were thinking that maybe a very large person could house a very small person [LAUGH] if that doesn't- A turducken style [INAUDIBLE] From ninja turtles if you will. Swallowing within swallowing. [LAUGH] Yeah. With all the, with cameras. Yeah. Oh, totally. Like, level three, two, one. Like inner space, but to the max. I think like a three or four level, like camera two. Right That's that stomach. Camera three, let's go up to one. And then vomit them all. That'd be, actually that doesn't offend me. That's interesting. [LAUGH] I think it's more, That's a movie pitch. it's more like Human Centipede stuff. Yeah, I feel like that's gonna get made. That movie is gonna get made now, probably next year. Right. Oh, I think for sure. Inspired by the anaconda story. Like a man. Nested swallowing. It's, it's it's unbelievable. I'd ki, I'd watch a few minutes of that. Maybe, I dunno. [LAUGH] I'm, I'm so glad I didn't give that thing last night the time of day. We're gonna keep things a little light today. Yeah. I wanted to bring up this. I'm not a huge fan of Grumpy Cat. You know about Grumpy Cat? I know that it's out there. I've seen Grumpy Cat. I did watch the movie. So there was a movie. Okay, so tell me about this movie. Before you tell me about it. Yeah. Does anyone else feel like Grumpy Cat is like the equivalent of seeing the face of Jesus in a, in a piece of wood? [LAUGH] Right. I think that Well. Jesus in a piece of wood is more profound. [LAUGH] Yeah, for sure. [LAUGH] That, that seems, that actually seems like a more, that seems like it's doing it too much justice. Right like this cat's face is just like stuck like this and this is just what it looks like Mm-hm. [LAUGH] and we perceive like it being grumpy when clearly. A cat, like the cat's not bummed out. But I, it's like I never. It just looks bummed. It just, its face looks grumpy. I've just never seen happy cat. So it's like Right. to me it's not like I'm looking at lots of smiling cats all the time who are just so cheery and this one is, yeah that's, that's the weird part. [INAUDIBLE] You're never gonna guess how much money Grumpy Cat has actually made its owner. Tabatha Bundesen, the 29 year old, year old owner of grumpy cat has revealed that she's made around $100 million What what? Off of this furball. I was thinking it would be 100,000 maybe I thought maybe like a free dinner at Red Lobster. 2 million. One. $35 in valuable coupons. That's it. 100 million bucks. Hundred. Off a cat whose face is stuck like that. Real dollars? Like 100 million real dollars? Real dollars. Is that from. From what part? From ads or. It's, it's just from, Is it licensing deals? Yeah, licensing. Grumpy Cat tee shirts and key chains? Celebrity appearances, and I'm sure there's some licensing that's happened. Okay. If you'll recall, The mov, the Lifetime movie deal? Right. [CROSSTALK] Which, which is real. [CROSSTALK] Tell me about, tell me about this Lifetime. Okay, well I just heard about this on Twitter one night. And I thought, okay, I'm always good for just randomly tuning in. My wife was not on board with this. I don't even remember the name of it. It was like, Happy Holidays with Grumpy Cat or something, Grumpy Cat's Christmas? Grumpy Cat's Worse Christmas Ever. Yeah. Because Grumpy Cat's always bummed out. Right. So you have. What's her name? Aubrey Plaza? Yeah. Is in this as the voice of Grumpy cat. So, I'm already feeling like among all Lifetime movies I'm much closer to watching this now then any one before, but I, I actually had bad timing. I caught the end of the movie before the beginning started again. Right. It was like on endless screening loop. So I watched the last 5 minutes. And it wasn't very good. And then I watched the first ten minutes and then I decided, never mind, that was the, the wifely like you know, she was like get off the TV. There's other things we should be doing now with our night like we should watch other shows. [LAUGH] [INAUDIBLE] Let's move on with our entertainment. [INAUDIBLE] Exactly. Get on to other shows that are better than this. So that was it. And I thought the Arbor Plaza casting decision was a really bad one. [LAUGH] She seemed, she seemed totally uninterested, but it wasn't even in like a good viral way. Yeah. It was like, she has like that great, acid style that's, that's awesome. But it somehow didn't even work for this. How did, how did it not fit even this, I don't understand. Did you ever see that Netflix movie about the talking cat? Do you know what I'm talking about? No, no. It's like a cult movie about like, it's, it's a terrible The Room style movie about like, a talking cat. Never saw it. Terribly voiced over. Yeah. It sort of felt like that. Okay. But not as good. It's worth noting though. That $100 million mark is being contested. Like it's worth noting, like, a lot of people Yeah. don't believe it. I don't believe it. I ca, I have a tough time swallowing that as well. The owner, Yeah. The Tabitha woman, says she will gladly divulge and disclose how much money she has made off of Grumpy Cat, if the price is right. Right? For an interview. [LAUGH] For $100 million. [LAUGH] Right. [LAUGH] I'll reveal. It is a self fulfilling prophecy. [LAUGH] Totally. That is how you will discover. It's funny though that, that, th, that, that's the number that's sort of floating around is $100 million. Obviously anyone with, who's maybe thought about it for a little bit, done a little bit of research realizes, wow that seems like a crazy amount of money. But. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I have a tough time believing it too, I guess. Has the, has the price now been set for for exotic viral animals? Yeah. This is the new bar, cool 10 million. Yeah. Cool, cool 10 million. You want me to get like angry snake Yeah. For sure. Or whatever into that show. I wanna, [LAUGH] angry snake. Make that, or make that one. I wanna talk a little bit about two things before we leave. The first thing, well maybe three if we have time. The first thing is VR stuff. Oh yeah. Okay, so. As we approach CES. As we approach CES. And I guess this'll be like some of the tech stuff that we talk today. Mm. It's light, it's a Monday. what. So, you've been seeing a lot of this stuff lately. I have. And we were talking before the show started. Like, there's, there's like inherent, technological hurdles that VR has. A bunch. What's like, what's the best VR you've seen. What did you just see? And, and what was that cool number you threw out? Oh yeah, so. The big announcement today, or big if you've been following VR stuff you know, Samsung's Gear VR, which is a phone-based accessory that goes onto the Samsung Galaxy Note 4. Right. Is like an extra VR headset. This is a partnership with Oculus. That is now available to order. So you can buy a, a, a, a VR headset to work with your. Samsung phone. With just your Note 4. Just the Note 4. Just the Note 4. What does it do? Why do I want it? Well, we have had it a couple years now. First of all, you're like, what am I gonna do with this thing? Yeah, besides look ridiculous. Right, you've got this, you know, you've got this like, you know, ski mask goggley thing. You're gonna put on, stick your phone in it. Yeah. Oh, your phone goes in it? If I'm presented. Actually, [CROSSTALK] Cool, cool. Keep selling that, because I'm, I'm almost there. [LAUGH] You're getting there. You're getting there, just wait. There's more. It costs $200. $250, you get the version that also comes with the game pad. They have a bluetooth gamepad. [LAUGH] Great. Great. [LAUGH] Love it,. In all fairness. Because the easy thing is to say what. Yeah. Why am I gonna, come on. No, I'm not gonna get this. Man, VR all ready has an awful PR ditch to dig itself out of. There are a ton of problems. It makes smart watches look like like an easy run. Right. Than when you look at VR. You do have this massive thing on your face. But year after year, you know, Oc, so the big other competitors, competitors, but the companies that are getting into this right now. Oculus Rift, obviously, Still doesn't have a product. Still doesn't have a product and year after year For years. we see what's really impressive looking, immersive VR. But no product yet. And no clear sign of one's going to come out. Right. Once again, there'll be a CS and. [CROSSTALK] Yeah. A CS and nothing will happen. Like, the next iteration towards something. Right. And then we've seen Project Morpheus, which is the Playstation four one,. Works with different accessories, like move accessories. Yeah. And again, when is that gonna come out? Right. Is it gonna come out? What. You know, so the like, year after year, E3 after E3, you're seeing these things getting trodden out. Sure. They're playing them again. Some people are saying, when's this gonna happen? Well this is the first one I can think of that you say well, this is the. Commercially available. Commercially available. Yeah. But it's called Innovator Edition. It's clearly, they're labelling this alpha experimental. You know, just for enthusiasts. Right. They're not planning on selling them to make money. They're just sort of getting it out. They're just putting it out there. And part of that is probably the partnership with Oculus, and how that's gonna go on. Right. So, so what was like, the interesting thing that the, you said that a lot of these VR headsets are falling short because they just are too pixellated, right? Yeah. So, when you put these on though, one thing that is cool, and then there's a part that isn't cool,. Is that they really, I think they actually feel. You've used Project Morpheus, haven't you? Yeah. They feel pretty immersive. Yes. You say, like, well the 3D part of it, and how you move your head around. Works well. Feels better than you'd think it would, where you go, oh come on. Right. I don't think that's gonna work on me. You, your brain has an easy time buying it. Yeah. You're sort of, like, stare, go into the landscape. Right. And you absorb it. You're there. Gear VR, which is the impressive part, actually for that immersiveness, feels really similar to Occulus Rift and Project Morpheus more than you'd think for just putting a phone in. Right. Like the general immersive goggle thing, very similar. Good enough, yeah. Graphically, you're more limited but the pixelation, this is the thing, so you're dealing with. A really high res screen on the Note 4. Quad HD which is like, what is it 25. I mean I should know this right. It's well above 20 adp. Twenty-five by, by sixteen, something like that. Yeah. yeah. It's really, it's really high end. It's you know, it's approaching like it's like a 4K type experience in a- Right. In a mobile type thing. Sure. So, that's more pixels than you'd ever need on a phone but. When you were using this to do 3D, first of all you're splitting that image. Right. In two. And then you're magnify projecting it onto you eyeballs. Then you're looking at it through a big magnifying lens. Right. So imagine you're looking at a screen through that and you'd see the pixels. Well you see the pixels, you can see through the pixels which is the weird thing. That's weird. Because, you know like when you, you, you get the idea of like, it's like Atari but pixellated blocky. But through that screen almost, the 3D comes through. Right But if you're looking at photos and videos, there's a chance you'd look at it and think, this immersiveness looks really cool. Yeah But it's not gonna look as crisp and amazing as on my phone or on my TV. So where do we have to be in order for our brains to not be able to tell the difference between VR and real life? Right. We're staring at it and going: I'm looking across the room, the 3D effect is cool. Now, I'm looking at that camera. Or this table and man the detail is perfect. Right. I member, I remember speaking with, with some folks at Oculus and the number that was thrown out there when I looked at one of the prototypes namely Crystal Cove. Was it, was it that one? I'm, I'm getting- It's okay you see a lot of VR things. You see a lot of VR things. You've gone VR crazy. 8k was the number that was thrown out. So, okay. That that would be a moment when VR would become. Sort of really hit that moment where it feels fully immersive. So, so what, so what retina did for printed paper and text. It could be the AK. It, it could do for VR and true to life photo-realism. That is a thought. Yeah, and see, you say like, what am I ever gonna use AK displays for. Well, VR is something that could actually use it, or maybe they find some other way around it. Right. Right now, it's, it's, it's okay, but it's, it, that pixelatedness. for, for lack of a better word. Because it doesn't feel pixellated so much as that you can see the actual. It's not that the graphics are pixellated. It's that the actual display, you can actually see the display's pixel arrangements. Right. So you're seeing through that. And you go, so if you're playing like in a, on a Morpheus or Oculus, I still feel like I can see a little bit of the screen coming. Sure, sure. That's a problem, plus processor power. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] Yeah. I mean, if you're pushing that. I mean, we have a hard enough time the idea of pushing even four K for anything interesting like games, is gonna take a really long time. [CROSSTALK] It's weird. I feel, I don't know how all this VR stuff is gonna shake out, because in my opinion, you just have like too many different technologies on different levels of like chronological tech, you know, advancement. Yeah. And nothing's really lining up. Well there, there's a, there were temps to this. The interesting thing is the, so your VR you're running off the snapdragon 805 and you're dealing with it's a mobile android Yeah. system so there are games and some of them look pretty cool. Right. But they're like mobile games. Right. Better than you might think. Sure. They don't really feel that slowed down, but they will feel less graphically rich. Gotcha. But they're in 3D. But then they claim that some of the picture and video stuff. Yeah. Should be able to go up into other levels of VR so on a PC side, maybe you start creating these experiences for. I mean, they're shooting videos now using spherical cameras. Right. And the idea is to create these kind if IMAX. They can look around and. Look around. That's theoretically great, but getting the set up with that camera. [CROSSTALK] a smaller sort of unit. Right, yeah. Yeah, and getting enough of that content made is gonna become tough to, to justify that. I like the idea of experimenting with this. Sure. But I agree, for the average person. It's just not, it's just not there yet. It, and nobody eh, even on the side of people making this, nobody feels it is. They still feels like there's an idea that this is two or three years away. From even hitting a, a moment of wow, this is something you'd really wanna buy. Right. But it's finally becoming, and, and you, you can't interact with it. So, you know, you wanna reach out and grab something. Right, you feel paralyzed. You have to look around like this. There's a touchpad. Yeah. And you click the touchpad. And we use a game controller. So you're kinda doing this, you're kinda doing. Right. Like Google Glass. Sure. You're kinda doing like, a little. You just, you just look crazy. Yeah, you see people playing games on Glass. Yeah, right. If you've ever seen that, you know, it's like that. You're sorta doing a, a, a thing where you're tapping. So. Isn't technology great? Right, this is where we're are. We're at the bleeding edge. Right. Of, of side head tapping. But it is out there for people who wanna make that stuff and dive in. I think that's the idea, that this is a cheapish kit that you could if you're interested in development. There will be more on this absolutely next month of CES. If you can believe it, in one month, we'll, we'll all ready be out there in Las Vegas for CES 2015. In a month, we'll almost be done. I know, it's. Don't remind me, okay. We'll be in our, our tired victory lap. What I would I rather, you asked me what would I rather have, oral surgery or go to CES? The answer might surprise you, okay. Swallowed by an anaconda? Yeah, c, swallowed by an anaconda. So last night, just real quick, the Sony Playstation network was hacked again. It seemed just like a take down hack, but for a couple hours last night it was not working. And a group called Lizard Squad. I'm sorry, hacking groups, you gotta get some better names that sound scary. The Lizard Squad? Being hacked is pretty scary. I don't know, I find the idea of being hacked terrifying, but yeah, yeah, that, you know. Yeah, but like, these guys with their, their hacking and they're doing all this nefarious garbage. And then they're like, got ya, Lizard Squad. It's just like, how are you so good at hacking, but so **** at naming your, your organization? Come up with incredibly awesome names. Come up with cool things, man. Outsource it to James Cameron or Michael Bay and have them create the name for you. There's like, a million good names in all the William Gibson novels. Yeah. You just write, write, get a short one. What's one cool name off the top of your head? Can you think of one? Well, Winter Mute was awesome. Winter Mute. Done. Yep. Yeah. Coolest hacking group ever. You're all ready cooler than anonymous. Yeah. Winter, Winter Mute is a terrifying name. And Lizard Squad and Lulsec and these guys. Yeah. Just get a better name. That's not a lot to ask, is it? Do some research. Among all things, yeah. Name it after a Neal Stephenson novel, or something. You could name them after like Billy Joel albums. Yea, even, fine. You know? Turn styles. You know? Done. Even call yourselves like, the Midnight Society, yeah. That's cooler than Lizard Squad. And maybe have a, it has to have a personal meaning or something. It might has a, some, you know. I don't know. Who knows? Maybe they're all from like Arizona, and they like breed. I will admit, I am, I am. You're more scared. Terrified of criticizing the name of a hacking group. If there name was Crimson Jihad, like in True Lies, I'd be way scare, more scared, right? I'm sorry. That's all I gotta say. That's all I gotta say. That's true. finally. And it's not my favorite, it's not my favorite name. Name. It's not. No. You could say it's terrible. Like, I don't think they're gonna target you. You could be like, oh, Lizard Squad, you guys are pretty scary, but your name sucks. I think it's the squad part. Exactly. Yeah. I just think it's that part. I like the idea of like a, like a, a name like a web. Right. Or a net. Yeah, like an all-seeing, you know, sorta eye. Yeah. Like if that were a logo of a company. That blows my mind. finally, finally I wanna talk about more scary sci-fi stuff. A techno-paranoia themed show that you've recently gotten into and I want myself to get into. You need to watch. It's called The Black Mirror. Yeah, called Black Mirror. Black Mirror, what's it about? It's on Netflix now, why should people check it out? Yeah. This was not available to watch in an easy way for for a long time. I mean, there was no way to buy it, there was no way to rent it. But two seasons, right? Two seasons. Okay With a third Christmas Special on the way. Cuz of course [LAUGH] I know. I really love UK television. Yeah Because there's a Christmas Special for everything. All right. So tell me- It's like The Wire Christmas Special. [LAUGH] Right. The single. You know, yeah. No, they would totally do that. Give me the quick like, elevator pitch about, with Black Mirror so people can, why they should check it out. It's Twilight Zone for a paranoia driven technological bleeding edge future. It's like Max Headroom. But with the episode length of Sherlock or close to it [INAUDIBLE] For 45 minutes, not an hour and a half. Okay I could handle that. You know you have your classic British TV season of like three episodes. So each, each series is only three episodes, only six episodes total. But they tackle leading edge weird questions of identity and culture. And, horrible situations. Hm. Really wonderfully made. And these were made in 2011. Charlie Brooker was like, a Guardian columnist, Right. Two, you know, just they dove into writing these. Really critically acclaimed pieces. I've only seen, I've seen two of the episodes so far. Both were extremely upsetting. Really, upsetting? Yeah. There really was I mean- [CROSSTALK] There, are they just like, are they like just hoping like sort of techno like we're done, there's no, there's no going back. That's pretty much it. Yeah. The classic sort of we're done- There's no going back, yeah. It's very much of the like. More about Twitter, Facebook community horrible aspects. Like, Internet. It actually feels more appropriate now for all the stuff that we've been dealing with in 2014, on all fronts. Right. Yeah, that usually happens. Yeah, it kinda feels like it's, it's a perfect time to hit Netflix up. Yeah, yeah. Because when we hit 2011, maybe people were thinking about the possibilities. We've been in a lot of this stuff now. I kinda feel like. There are many things in 2014 that could have been Black Mirror episodes. Yeah. That are Black Mirror episodes, for real. That's pretty cool. So, yeah. You should watch it, everyone should watch it. You sold me, man. Yeah, I want to check it out. But it's, you know, I don't want to over hype it, but I, I, I found that it's still was, was really great. And there should be more things like that. It actually reminds me that we're in such changing times that I wanted a Twilight Zone. For our age, for a long time. Yes. This gets really close to it. Man, it's so funny you bring that up because New Year's, [INAUDIBLE] New Year's Eve is coming fast approaching and like, I wa, I, every year I just binge on that Sci-Fi Twilight Zone marathon. Oh yeah. Because those episodes are still. So relevent. Yeah. And they're, they're timeless, and they're really amazing stuff. Well, it's weird, there were a lot of times with the Outer Limits, and other shows. Yeah. That people experimented with this. And I don't know why, I think we're gonna get back to it. But I actually think things like black mirror are gonna drive us to more detail [CROSSTALK]. I hope so. Even like, X if with like X-files two. Yeah. It definitely bleeds into that whole genre, for sure. [CROSSTALK] We're really, we're really into like binge connected plotlines. Yeah. But I, I want to get back to the anthology. All right, go check out Black Mirror on Netflix now, Scott Stein recommendation. Appreciate you being here today, buddy. Yeah, glad to be here, right? You went a little silent. I know, I was about to let a burp out. I was about to give out a Monday burp, I was like and then a little explorer was gonna come out of mouth. With a GoPro. My experiment's over. Tada. [LAUGH] Yeah, secret's out now. [LAUGH] I think, I just think about all the stuff we're gearing up for, for CS. Yeah That's a separate discussion. But, it's gonna be the crazy mess. And in particular everything's like wearables and VR. And where everybody is gonna want more than ever to be involved or to it's gonna be a scavenger hunt. All right. Yeah. Fair enough. We'll we'll definitely check out your stuff at CS 2015. And follow Scott on Twitter @jetscott. That will do it for us today. Ayaz is back tomorrow and we'll catch you then. Until next time, I'm Jeff Backalar. I'm Scott Stein. I'm Ariel Nunez. Thanks for tuning into the 404 show high tech, low brow. We will see you tomorrow, I'm so, I totally forgot to announce this, but I, I have, we have a contest I wanna talk about really quick. I know, I feel like such a schmuck, I should have done it at the top, but everyone will hear about it. Like an easter egg, if you wanna listen. I know, you'll find out tomorrow also. We, we're giving away Omaha steaks. That's awesome. [LAUGH] You wanted to laugh. No, I'm like. You did. There was, not. Well, I was expecting something electronic. Yeah. But I was like, steak was not what I thought you were gonna say. I know. Who would turn down steaks? They're the type of thing you. [CROSSTALK] I know, and here's what it is. Here's what it is. It's called the Tasteful Gift. I. I feel bad because Yeah. I should have done this at the top but it's fine. The tasteful gift is the prize pack. It comes with, get this because you, I know you're like me you love steak. Get a load of this steak. Get a load of, two five ounce filets. Okay Okay, then you get two five ounce top sirloins. Four, four ounce burgers. Four, five oh wait, four, [LAUGH] four, 5.75 ounce stuffed baked potatoes. Oh yeah. How freaking starving are you right now? I'm like, I want all of this. And then to top it off you get four chocolate molten lava cakes, you shouldn't eat all that at once though. [LAUGH] Something else? That'll last you like- [CROSSTALK] One evening. At least two months. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, that's us, that's us correctly. That sounds great, right? So we're giving out two of those. All you gotta do is go to cnet.com/the 404 or cnet.co/404stakes cnet.co/404steaks. It's the meatsweeps. How do you like that? Meatsweeps. [LAUGH] Yeah. Holiday Meatsweeps. I feel terrible, I forgot to announce that at the top, but it, it starts right now. You can go to the website and enter to win. It's a caption contest. There's a funny photo of us, and just have to caption it. And that's it. You comment in the, in the blog post. And bam, you're entered to win. That is it. Okay. Okay, now we're good to go? That's good. All right. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit. And we'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in. [MUSIC]

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