Interview: Jackie Kashian brings jokes and comedy commentary to Tomorrow Daily
Welcome back to the show!
Our guest today is a stand-up comic.
You may have seen her on Conan.
You may have seen her on May have seen her on Lady Dynamite.
And you listen to her podcast, the dork forest and Jackie and Laurie, we have Jackie Cajun joining us.
Well thank you very much.
Thank you for being here.
Well you guys nailed all those weirdo assorted credit-
You do a lot of stuff.
Yeah I'm working it turns out and thanks, I'd like to knock on particle board.
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So yeah I do a bunch of that, I do stand-up and then I do a couple of podcasts.
The podcast with Jackie and Laurie is entirely about, it's on [UNKNOWN].
It's called the Jackie and Laurie show, and it is entirely about standup comedy.
Just, Laurie [UNKNOWN] is a writer at Conan and a standup comic, and a mom, and I am a standup comic.
And we talk about, and I do the road a lot.
So I go on the road a lot.>>Okay.>>And so, we talk about just what it's like.
Laurie Killmartin.>>War stories?>>The war stories and six months there's only 20 episodes.
You can get in on the ground floor of the show folks.
But the The crazy thing is, is that there's, Laura came to me and she said you know that, when you're a woman comic, every time you are interviewed someone says to you [LAUGH] what's it like being a woman comic.
Doing stand up comedy as a woman.
Cross out one of my questions.
Don't ask that.
Well you can but the answer is I wouldn't know any other
I am not transgender.
What's it like being a man comic?
I assumed its somewhat like that, but with more people wanting to touch your boobs.
[LAUGH] It seems to be the entirety of it.
But so, Lori said, do you want to have that conversation every week?
And I said, that's hilarious.>> [LAUGH] That's great.>> And it was hilarious, cuz she has to do all this research for Conan, so she's constantly coming up with people.
Who don't like women comics, who think women aren't funny.
Who, I have spent 30 years doing stand-up comedy avoiding all of those comments.
And whenever anyone's asked me I guess Jerry Lewis doesn't like woman comics.
Yeah I know.
That's like the one person I can think of where I'm like okay that's somebody who's very publicly said like women aren't funny.
Sounds like a very antiquated idea though.
I mean we have
And so many great women comics.
Right and it's even more beyond antiquated, because we've had so many great female comics even in the 50's 60's 70's, I mean-
He had to have known very funny women so-
I mean he's well, but somebody asked me about it, well how does it, that doesn't I don't have an answer to that because what does he book?
He doesn't book anything.
Is he booking hyenas?
I always wanted to get in at the hyenas chain.
So you guys talk about your personal experiences doing stand up and you talk about stand up sort of in the abstract as well.
Yeah we break down new bits that we're working on and stuff like that.
And it is fascinating, I think it's fascinating.
And people are on board.
They're very interested in it and
I didn't know.
I knew that there were comedy nerds.
I knew that there were people.>>Sure.>>This guy.>>Right here.
Double hands.>>Who do you guys like?
Who used to be your faves?
There's too many.
We're in a golden age.>>There's so many good.
Well, it's also because of access.
I mean we have so many ways to get comedy out there that
You can find a nobody in the middle of nowhere and really love that comedian.
And connect in a way that you're like, that person is exactly for me.
They get me, yes.
They've shift like 12 strongest fans in the world.
And there can be comedy for everyone now.
Yeah, I mean, I've discovered people, I'm a big Hannibal Burress fan.
I've discovered people
Because of the internet.
Like, I didn't see live first, I saw them on the internet first.
It's kinda cool.
Ron Sanchez, I love him, he's so funny.
I love seeing Sara Silverman anytime she does stand up over in Largo.
I love the smaller venues with her because she likes a lot of.
Fun with the crowd and everything.
I did a show with her.
There's a comic book store in Hollywood, Meltdown Comic, and they have a little Nerd Melt, Nerdist showcase back there.
And it's amazing, because
I did a show it was with her and Zach Galifianakis and I don't know who I was sitting next to.
But I was like why did they, what did they ask, did they need us.
[LAUGH] But you get to try new stuff at nerd melt.
My favorite part of seeing a show at nerd melt is
Is, everybody does five minutes on being in a comic book store.
Right, the first time you do that through, you're like yes.
And, I usually suggest that someone should pick something up, and then by name, just because I tend to read a lot.
A lot of comic books.>>Well,>>That's good you got a cred>>Dork Forest your other podcast.>>Yes.
The Dork Forest.
It can be traditional dorkdoms where it's video games and board games.
Board games My God, tabletop.
Yeah, I am working on a board game.
My husband's a game designer.
A video game designer.
We are the coolest aunt and uncle that you would ever want, you guys.
Little comedy, little gaming.
So he has like, an RPG, he For money he makes video games.
And then last summer, he had a slow summer.
He's a contractor.
So he's like I think I'm finally gonna make my superhero tabletop RPG game, called the Hero Instant.
That sounds cool.
And the Hero Instant you guys, yeah.
How can we find out more about it?
Well it turns out you can go to the Hero Instant.
.com which he didn't know spelled heroin.
But, I love him.
I need that game!
I need that game!
It's so fun.
I made Fire Bike Mike.
Which is he has fire powers and he rides a motorcycle and he's also a detective, you guys.
So he's super smart.
You can any powers, any super powers.
But he's also working on a couple of board games, and he helps do this thing called the Siblings Trouble, which was a story-telling game, that you can play with little kids, well not little, like eight or nine?
And everybody has to tell a story.
So Siblings Trouble is super fun.
Stoke your imagination.
So, anyway, you said it could be about traditional geek.
Right, yeah, it could be board games and video games, and science fiction, and stuff like that.
But, it can also be, like I just booked this woman.
she's going to come Come talk about roller derby.
I don't know anything about roller derby.
I understand people are on roller skates.
Have you ever been to a derby game?
I have not.
They have the Derby Dolls, L.A.
Derby, it's here.
So and apparently-
Yeah, people love it.
You can go, they have a whole Season where they have other teams come-
It's a sport.
It's a thing.
Is it real?
I thought it was kinda like professional wrestling where it was kind of.
They are skating.
No, they really skate.
And knocking into each other, and they-
I don't know what the scoring is.
Throw each other around.
I'm hoping you find out.
It's really fascinating.
I love roller derby.
I just find the whole concept of it really interesting.
And if I actually had any coordination whatsoever, I might try it.
But I don't, so I just avoid that.
I don't think it's a good idea.
Yes it is.
You might have missed your window.
Yeah I think I missed my time.
I think I passed my expiration date on Roller Derby.
Roller Derby's a young woman's game.
Yeah, it is, it really is.
But you have to also I think be really tall.
Even though they look tall maybe cuz they're on roller skates.
You are tall.
I'm tall so I'm terrifying in skates.
Because that adds an extra four inches.
[LAUGH] Which I think is intimidating and might help you get some work.
That would be good.
Yeah so it could be.
It has been about bees and flowers.
And there was a comic out of and then there's famousy people.
Like, I know a lot of comics.
So I've had, Moon Zappa was just on and she was talking about linens
She really liked sheep.
Anything you're super into right?
Yeah, anything you're super into, I had her sister Diva Zappa on and she talked about knitting and then I had Greg Proops has one of the greatest episodes about the history of baseball and I don't know anything about sports, nothing, nothing.
And it was fascinating.
He did the history of baseball
From the Civil War up to 1938.
And it was personality driven.
Yeah, it was crazy.
Yeah, it's just, it's, it's, it's, and it's a safe space, right?
You can come to me with whatever you're into, and if I'm not into it, I, like, I don't know anything about chess.
[CROSSTALK] I think you learned a lot, though
I did learn a lot.
And I ask the questions that people who don't know anything.
Cuz I am more than willing.
You're the audience.
You're the audience's eyes.
I am the audience.
When it's about music There's a little drinking game that rangers of the dork force like to play which is how many of these bands, does Jackie think that's a band, does she think it's a member of the band?
So we were talking about The Who the other day and I was like
That is a band, And she looked at me goes like yea that's a band.
[LAUGH] Yea, one of the biggest in the world.
But there was a stampede.
And she said that's not what they're known for.
And I was like well they had a lot of albums.
She's like stop talking we're done.
And I was like you could talk to me about The Who.
On the dork forest and I would know more.
Nobody came and talked about Pink Floyd.
I don't know anything about Pink Floyd.
[CROSSTALK] Now I know a little bit more.
Pretty good stuff.
So you have a stand up do you have a special coming out?
My special it dropped a little over a year and a half ago.
I'm working on a new album actually.
That's the Whorecraft one right?
Yeah the Whorecraft one.
This Who will make an excellent [UNKNOWN] is the name of my last album and also a DVD special.
For all those Harry Potter fans out there.
Harry Potter, it's cuz my soul is in you guys.
[LAUGH] Spoiler's for Harry Potter I guess [LAUGH].
So you've not read those books.
Watch the movies.
So sad, too bad.
You know what it's a little late.
It's 15 years ago.
Rosebud is a sweat.
We can safely say [CROSSTALK]
She started writing in the mid 90s
Yeah time has certainly flown.
So what about, lets talk a little bit about, I'm really curious about, you mentioned Lady Dynamite.
And I know that you do, not with, but-
I've worked the road.
You worked with Maria.
Yeah, Maria Bamford is the star of Lady Dynamite on Netflix.
It's crazy fun.
The Arrested Development and the South Park lady, they're the, it's the guy who produced.
Arrested Development, and the woman who produced South Park have come together with Maria Bamford's psyche.
An unholy union of Maria Bamford's mental illnesses and a cacophony of just pills.
Somehow it works.
It totally works.
[CROSSTALK] Much like Arrested Development works, and much like [INAUDIBLE] Works I think that's how much [INAUDIBLE] works cuz it's so crazy and awesome and it's so layered.
But I've known, well I started stand up before Maria but she started in 19
92 in Minneapolis.
We're both Minneapolis comics.
So I've known her since 1992, and now that she's kind of a big deal, I was like, can I ride your coattail as far as you'll let me.
You can drop me off anywhere in the middle.
By a shuttle.
So I get to open for her on the road sometimes, so that's really fun, because her audiences are usually Just the nicest people because of the mental illness.
And trying to be supportive of people with mental illness.
They are super understanding.
But they're also hilariously.
They are there to have a good time.
Willing to hear what weirdo joke you are working on.
They are like yes.
Go there because they're Maria's fans.
And then, oddly enough, because I also work just regular clubs just headlining and stuff like that, but I get the fancy opening for Maria Bamford, and I get the fancy open sometimes for Brian Regan.
And he probably doesn't want to be described as this but I think of him as the Captain America of standup comedy.
Cuz he goes across America constantly?
Cuz goes across America?
Yeah let's tell him that [CROSSTALK].
Cuz he's such a good guy.
His standup is super silly but very smart.
He's one of my favorites too.
He's so great.
It's a master class of standup comedy, just getting to open for either of them, cuz I get to watch their standup comedy.
And to watch four hour long sets of either of them is insane.
So if anyone's out there thinking I want to get into stand up comedy, because it's quite a bit different now than it was even 10 years ago.
I mean it's so so different with digital media and being able to publish...your self publish and stuff.
What is your recommendation on obviously, you know here in Los Angeles there;s lots of places.>> Sure.>> To do stand-up.
You an find an open mic night, but what about for the people that grow up in places where there are not opportunities to go do open mic?>> Right, if you're in New Albany, Mississippi and you want to start doing stand-up comedy.
You probably have to start your own open mic.
I mean that's what, I've met a bunch of guys and women who have done that in Alabama.
There's a southern network of just, cuz there aren't enough clubs down there.
There's There's some one nighter stuff and some weekend rooms that are just four-walling.
But if you live near an open mic obviously go do an open mic.
And don't freak out about it because they're only going to give you four minutes you guys.
Three four minutes tops so pick like three four topics to talk about.
That you think are funny.
Say them out loud and then get off stage.
And run as fast as you can.
And run for your life.
I've got to say from experience that three to five minutes is a really long time.
It's a long time the first time.
Actually it feels like
Especially all eyes are on you and you're just like god.>>That's not helping.>> [LAUGH]
That's the point you'll get through it and you'll feel better about it and then you'll be more.
You've gotta get through it.>>I will say this about that though.
You were correct in the fact that you will know immediately after doing your first open mic whether you wanna continue to do open mic.
Or you wanna do stand up at all.
Because the first time I did it, I'm sure I ate it.
I'm sure it was terrible, but I remember going, I think I got like one or two laughs.
That was super fun.
And it was like the heroin instant.
It was like heroin.
I was in.
I was on board.
You had super powers.
And then I, I had the super powers of getting to talk about what I wanted to talk about, and try to make people laugh, and it's.
It's genuinely the most fun in my life
well, it's so awesome to have you here.
Thank you so much
thank you for having me
shameless self-promotion for me and Jackie, will be on the same episode of tabletop, season four, that's going to be coming up.
We can't tell you anything about it other than we were there
we had a really good time, and we kept playing the game after they stop shooting.
Because we had finished the game, there's still a couple of things I felt it [INAUDIBLE] it was so fun.
You make sure you watch table talk season four.
And then of course just go to Jackie [UNKNOWN] .com.
Sure or familypetancestory.com, I bought familypetancestory.com.
Cuz it made me laugh.
If you'd like to find out where your pets came from?
It turns out mine came over on the Mayflower.
There you go.
My dog's a member of the DAR.
The dogs of the American Revolution.
Come on [LAUGH].
So make sure you check out everything Jackie's got going on.
Because it is a lot.
The Dark Forest.
Jackie and Laurie on the Nerdist network and then of course all the other.
Just watch your website for all the appearance and stuff.
Because you're working.
You're all over the place.>>Thank you so much for having me.>>Thank you.>>Thank you.>>We will be right back with Update on a Kickstarter, not necessarily starting over, but it's also about standup that we're really excited to update you on, and then we will of course, give you our into its and check out our phone topic for the day, so don't click away.
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