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Ep. 1431: Where we hide our philtrumNot all drones are bad! Today on the show we'll talk about drones and future of sports photography, the death of Moviefone and Seth Rogen's part in a film about the console wars of the 1990s.
-Hey, what's up, everyone? It's Monday, February 24th, 2014. This is The 404 Show coming to you from CNET. I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Ariel NuÃ±ez. -Hey, everyone. Hope you guys had a fantastic weekend. I traveled a lot. I had a good weekend. I trust you gentlemen did as well. -Yes. Yeah, I had a great one, very relaxing. What about you, Ariel? -Yeah, I was-- I have a friend in town, so it's always fun to have some folks over, you know. -Very good. -Super chill. -Yeah. -We're just gentlemen. -Yeah. -We're just gentlemen on a Monday, trying to do a podcast. -Uh-hmm. -Pretty much. -All right. Beautiful. Today on the show, what can we expect, man? -Oh, we got a pretty great show today. We're gonna talk about using drones, unmanned aerial aircrafts for sports photography. -Yes. -We're gonna also talk about the rise and fall of the Moviefone Hotline, -Okay. -which announced over the weekend it's getting shutdown. -That's said. -We're gonna talk about a facial recognition app that can tell if your mother drank alcohol while she was pregnant with you. -I don't need an app for that. -Let that simmer for a second. -I think the proof is in the putting. -And then we're gonna talk about Seth Rogen making a movie about Console Wars in the '80s, '90s? Nineties. -In the '90s. -The '90s. Sega and Super NES. -Right. -Those consoles. So, a movie is gonna be happening about that and Seth Rogen is involved. There it is. -There it is. First story of the day, the Olympics are over you guys. Sad. I'm upset about that. -Yeah, I'm super bummed too, man. -The U.S. men didn't medal in hockey. -Neither the women. It's a bad year for-- -No, the women got silver. -Oh, yeah, I guess, second place that's a medal. -That counts? -Yeah. -That-- come on, man. That's a medal? That's a second place medal. -No, that's great. -That's a first loser. -Who's third? Second loser. -I don't know. -Yeah. -I don't know who's third. -It's like no one really cares about that. -Well, it's always U.S. and Canada for girls and then -Yeah. -I don't know who the third. I think they gave everyone else a bronze medal, that even put lace top some skates. Nevertheless, the reason I bring up the Olympics is to talk about the rise of drone photography being used in action sports specifically things like skiing and snowboarding. I didn't know this was happening, -Yes. -but apparently, in Russia at the Sochi Olympics, there were numerous drones going for about $40,000 a piece. -Uh-hmm. -Hovering, taking aerial photography of these-- getting these amazing never before seen vantage points -Uh-hmm. -of these athletes. -Did you see those shots while you're watching the Olympics? -Seeing a few of them. -And you could tell obviously it wasn't a helicopter or anything like that. -Right. -Was the video footage good? -So, I didn't see that. I'm just talking about the ones that are here on the website. -Oh, I see. Okay, yeah, the clips. -But I didn't-- I don't know if they use them in production. I think they might have only used them during, for the web or you know, I don't know if there was much used in production of the actual Olympics. -Right. -But it's kind of crazy when you know, you think about it. Obviously drones have gotten a very-- they've been stigmatized with like, like delivering payloads -Military use. -and killing innocent people but it's not all bad. -Yeah, it's not all double taps. -You know, it's the right-- double taps? -Yeah. -What does that mean? -That-- well, that's the big controversy with using military drones. Is that a lot of times though, drop one in an area and then they'll drop a second one to get the people that were helping those-- -For good measure. -No, to actually bomb the people that came to help the initial victims. -So like first responders and stuff? -Yeah, which is even more F'd up. -All right. We're not talking about that. -I know. Sorry to be a downright. It is Monday after all. -Why? Now I have to visualize that. -It's the truth, real life. -All right. Good drones. There's good fire and bad fire, there's good drones and bad drones. -Right. -We're talking about the good drones. -Yeah. -Good drugs, bad drugs. Good drones. -So, I didn't realize this before reading this article but it talks about how prior to using drones. They actually had-- they did have aerial photography. -Hang gliders. -But they were on rails. -Right. -Which gets really expensive and they use this in football. Do you see this a lot? -Right. -In football they use cable cams. -Right, right. -And they've gotten really good at setting those up because there's only 30 football stadiums in the country or however many teams are. -Yeah. -And they're pretty good at rigging those up, but imagine not having to draw all this cable, -Right. -and have like a ten-hour installation and instead just freaking have a drone takeoff. -Right. -Now, I mean, you know, people are wondering, is it safe? I mean, so far so good. -You gotta also ask the question who's driving the drone too. -Right. -You gotta think that it's somebody who's at least a little bit trained. -Of course. -An unmanned aerial-- -It's not like a kit with an antenna and a little remote just being like oh, check me-- -Although I'm sure a kid like that might be better than a grown adult to actually go through a flight simulator program for the first time. -That's gonna be cool. -A kid who's been playing like, you know, simulation games -Yeah. -all his life maybe better at it. -Is probably trained right. -Have you ever tried-- -Or majoring in drone flying? What are you majoring? -You could do that, yeah. -Why not? -It's definitely gonna be a career. -I think so. -How do you think people do with this kind of thing? Because have you ever driven one of those toy helicopters with the RC toy helicopters? -Yeah. Sure. -Those are really difficult to control. -They are. -I don't know if that's just because I'm sort of a chromogen and don't play video games. It sort of hard to balance the vertical movement with the-- -I think that's what it is. -Yeah. -You have no point of reference for like, you know, people who can't control first person shooters. -Right. -It's not that simple but they just can't control like tracks -You can't just trace and-- -at the same time. -Right, yeah. It's super difficult. -Right. -So, I hope these guys are a little bit better trained. -For sure. -But before that, they would use things like the Goodyear Blimp to film football games, right? Which I didn't realize how to camera inside. -They still do. They still do. -So, that's why it's there. I thought it was purely marketing purposes. It turns out there's a camera in there -Well, yeah. -that television stations used for the footage. -I mean, you've never seen a broadcast that says aerial footage provided by? -No. -You don't? -I've never seen the sports broadcast. Just stop there. -Man, you're too out of touch for the show I think sometimes. -Yeah, I guess so. This is like my philistine moment on The 404. -You've never seen, you've seen like The Conan Blimp, remember that whole thing? -Yeah, I've definitely seen that. -Right. The good-- you've heard of the Goodyear Blimp. -Oh, of course, the Goodyear Blimp is actually, it's in Carson, California. -Right. -Where-- close to where I'm from. So, I see it touchdown all the time but-- -Sure. -Yeah. -You just thought it was just a billboard. -I thought it was just a-- yeah, the best marketing ever. -I mean, half of the purpose, it is a billboard but it also has really good cameras on board and, you know, -Right, right. And one guy that's terrified. -and goes really slow. -Yeah. What's really cool is that, in doing research for this story, I read about a company called 3D Robotics, which actually develops personal drones that they're planning to use in sporting events, but the difference is that instead of having a guy independently control the drone, this is on a GPS-based system. -Yeah. -So, they actually will attach a GPS beacon to one of the players. -And it just sort of follows-- -And then it will follow them around using an app that's connected to the dongle. -See that? That's getting like really close to like video game tech sort of stuff. -Yeah. -Where it's like you have a-- you just have a drone that's like programmed to just like defend you and follow you wherever you go. -All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. -And that this one, I mean it's just taking photos of you and whatnot but it's still kind of cool. -Yeah. Also-- kind of distracting too if you're a player. I don't know at what altitude these things fly but-- -I think they're quiet. -I mean, not just-- -I think they're relatively quiet. -Like on a tour really but digitally too, -Yeah. -I mean, they have something flying above your heard. -Well, you just gotta be like, oh, he's looking up for it to be distracting. -Right, right. -Yeah. I'm cool with it, man. I think it's rad. -Yeah. Do you know if directors actually use drones for-- to capture video for movies? -Yeah, filmmakers using it? -Yeah. -I've never heard of it but-- -Why not, right? -you gotta think it's inevitable. -Yeah. -Think about it. Like you have a drone and then it's yours. You buy the drone and you never have to rent-- -It's like $5,000 super cheap. -Yeah, you never have to rent-- oh, no, it's more expensive than that but you never have to rent all these expensive equipment. -Yeah. -I mean, you could probably rent the drone also. -Right. -The only thing is that I don't know how good the stabilizing, imagine stabilizing technology is on them, because to me it's like, all right, well, if you're drone you gotta deal with like turbulent weather conditions and -Uh-hmm. -you know, shake, camera shake and stuff like that. -Uh-hmm. -But I'm sure they figure that out. -Yeah. It's pretty cool. -It's sick. -Just make sure nobody shoots them out of the sky, right? -Well, yeah. I mean, I don't think that's a worry. -No, that was a problem. I read a story last year about how in 2013 there is like this group of hunters in Colorado. -And then they're shooting drones. -That were-- that actually were issuing $25 permits to local hunters to shoot down drones because they were again-- -It's private property. -The surveillance society. Well, it's-- the air is manned by what? The FAA right? -Like, yeah, I guess. -All public air space is manned by FAA. -Yeah. -They don't really care about that. These are hillbillies. They don't-- like aircraft bought any of those rules. -We're taking it alone to our own hangs. -Yeah, they are shooting drones down with rifles. -Yeah. -Just terrifying. Ain't that cool? -That's pretty sick. It's pretty sick actually. -Yeah. I like to do that. -Just shooting down drones. -Yeah. -We're going drone hunting. -You ever drive one of those or fly one of those Parrot AR Drones? -No. -They have them at CES every year without fail. You'll always walk into the convention center and see a giant netted room. -Right. -Instead of the walls, they have net so you could see inside. -Sure. -And then there's one lucky guy that works for Parrot, driving one of those AR Drones. -It's pretty sick, man. -Fun as hell. We had one in the office. -Yeah. -Remember that? -It wasn't a good one though. -Yeah, it didn't fly very well. -They're getting way better though. Every year, they get exponentially better. -Well, the one we had in the office was kind of complicated and hard to fly because you use your finger on an iPhone screen to control where it went. -Right, right, right. And then there was one that you basically held your iPhone parallel to the ground and you control the drone just by titling the iPhone. -Oh, that's kind of -Which is pretty neat. -hard to do but-- -No. It's easy. -Really? -Because you're-- if you just pretend the iPhone-- -It's so sensitive. -is the drone. -Yeah. -It's easy. -Let's try it. -Okay. -Yeah, let's buy that. How much is that? -It's 40 grand. -Forty grand? -There's one-- -They can't be all forty grand. -There is one-- one of the drones they use in Sochi went for $40,000. -What? -It's kickass, man, and it only has a GoPro attached to it. -See? You could-- I mean, yeah, okay. It's just the flight stability that you're paying for it. -I think it's the stability. I think it's you know, early technology. Soon, everyone will be able to afford their own drone. -Yeah. Huh, cool. But that's drones in sports photography. We'll see it in the future. -There you have it. -Now for a little bit more depressing news. When the hell was it last time you actually called 777-FILM? -Never. Even when it was prevalent, I never. -They still have advertisements for Moviefone when you go and actually watch a movie in the theater. Have you seen that before? -No. -Yeah. -I've never-- -I've seen commercials for it before. -Yeah. -Like recently. -You go-- where are you going? -My home. -I was just gonna say like where are you going that they're still like, call up for movie time. -To the village. Yeah, village theater on 2nd Avenue. -Yeah? Was it the early bird viewing? -It was like the 5 o'clock all men viewing. Yeah. -Nice. -Somebody wanna explain what Moviefone is for people that have no-- for young people that are listening to the show? -I mean, it was a movie time hotline. -Yeah. -That you would call up using a phone. -Yeah. -And you would enter the name of the film with your touchtone phone. -Well, yeah. Specifically though, they would basically announce every movie-- -Or they would just go through. -Ever, yeah. And sometimes if you're unlucky enough to get the last, you know, for about October was the last movie -Yeah. -in the light of 30. -Right. -Then you'd be on the phone for 20 minutes. -Well, I just have these terrible memories of calling up the theater hotline. It was never-- we never called 77-FILM. -Yeah. -We always called the number of the individual theater -Yes. -and then just like let it play through and then you finally heard, you know, -Yeah. -you know, whatever the hell it was and you have to wait and you'll be like, oh, hey, I think I miss that. -Yeah. -And you have to wait for the whole thing to loop through again. -The crazy thing and speaking of the loop is when you recall the movie theater, when you hung up, it didn't reset the recording for the next person that calls. -Which is always on a loop. -Yes. So, sometimes you would call up and it would be halfway through -Right. -the recording already and you have to wait for it to loop all the way back around. It's crazy. So, that was Moviefone way back in the day, not even that long ago. I'd say it was still fairly popular even ten years ago maybe. -Sure. -So anyway, if you called 77-FILM which is the Moviefone hotline over the weekend, you would have heard someone announcing a message not the guy, not the welcome to Moviefone guy but another voice telling you that the service is gonna be shutdown. At least the phone service is gonna be and that's after 25 years of paying that phone bill every month. -I don't understand who still calls that up. -Apparently they still get thousands of calls. -When? A year or-- -Every ten years like a thousand calls. -I just-- you know, I just don't understand. -Yeah. Even buying a newspaper would be almost quicker. -I don't know. -Which is what we used to do. We would actually go to a local Spires Restaurant. -And see like the printout. -Yeah and you like buy it or whatever. -Right. Man, we-- things have really changed huh. -Yeah. Ironically enough, Moviefone owned by AOL. -Yeah. -Another pretty dated company, at least in terms of the AOL service they still own a bunch of small companies. -Sure, sure. -Like Huffington Post. But anyway, you can still download the Moviefone app, which is basically the same thing but much, much quicker. -Right and you don't have to talk into it. -Right. -Just does it. -But not nearly as popular as Fandango app though, which is essentially which I've done. -How do the Moviefone people not see the writing on the wall? -They did. That's the thing. -So, and they have a ticket buying service? -They did. Yeah. They still do right now but no one uses it because Fandago is so much more popular app. -But how did Fandango-- I mean, they were literally-- -The Puppets. The Puppets, man. -The Paperbag Puppets. -Yeah. -They were literally advertising under their nose. -It's crazy. -And Moviefone just like, I wonder what these Fandango people are up to. -Yeah. The thing is they both debuted the same service around the same time. -Around the same time. -Yeah, like the late '90s where-- -So, it's freaky Puppets then. -to buy movie tickets online but it really was-- I think it might have been in the marketing. It's like one advertising campaign, pretty much, you know, made Moviefone, Friendster and made Fandango Facebook. -It's unbelievable. -Yeah, it's crazy. -I mean, like this piece in the-- in the New York Times says, Moviefone even had like a Seinfeld episode dedicated to-- -Yeah, you remember that though. -Of course. -Yeah. -Poor went out for Moviefone. -And that guy. What's his name again? His name is inside this-- Russ Leatherman is the guy who-- -Welcome to Moviefone. -Yeah. -Yeah, like a-- -You would have like a nasal drip. -Yeah, he had no nostrils. -Yeah. -Poor guy. And now he's out of a job. -I'm sure he'll find another voiceover work. -Hopefully, yeah. -You think he just records the same thing everyday? -He just has his own hotline now that he serves out of his house. -Yeah. Bummer. So, that's Moviefone. RIP. No one really give a shit anyway before we even talked about the story. -We just reminded people about it. -Yeah. So, let's talk about an app that's a little bit disturbing but could potentially maybe save your life. So, you know, facial recognition. It's sort of one of those technologies similar to a voice recognition that's not quite where we want it to be yet in terms of features and accuracy, right? I mean, voice recognition is cool but it doesn't always work, same with facial recognition. You can tag it sometimes but other times, you know, like wasn't there a-- there was some ad I think for Nikon and it was advertising that it can sense when you blinked. -Yeah. -And there was a photo that was going around of like a group of Asian people. -Yes. -And it was like, did somebody blink? And so, stuff like that, it proves that the technology isn't really there yet. -It's getting there though. It's just a little racist. -It's slow. Yeah. We all have those moments, right? -Of course. I'm the same way, man. People always think my eyes are closed. They're not. -Yeah. Oh, I thought you were gonna say you racist and I was like, yeah, you are-- -No, no, no, no. No one every confuses me with that like it confuse me with someone who's eyes are closed. -Yeah. Yeah, you do have small eyes. -It's just the way the good Lord made me. -Right. So, facial recognition sort of the same thing. But next month, an author and geneticist named Sharon Moalem, he's about to F stuff, man. He's about to change the whole game with an announcement of the smart phone app that basically uses facial recognition to identify pre-dispositions for certain diseases based on facial structure. So, the idea is that this app will take a picture of your face and there's actually a photo of how it's gonna look in this story. Here it is. You take a photo of your face, basically a selfie, right? And then it will, you know, identify all these key points on your face. A lot of them, two dozens, and it will show things like you know, if you have certain diseases based on facial structure. -You-- so what diseases can you tell just from the shape of your face? -Well, I'm not geneticist but I did a little looking into this because I wondering about that myself. -Yeah. -It turns out you can, you can detect things like something called Gorlin syndrome. -It's nice. -I wonder if our physicist friends could help up. -Gorlin? -Gorlin, G-O-R-L-I-N syndrome. -And you didn't look up what it is. -I did. -Oh. -Which is, it's basically a form of skin cancer and that causes like facial swelling. -Okay. -And a tooth displacement. -Oh, my God. -That's like pretty much ending with a fat face and a bad teeth, that's Gorlin syndrome. -Okay. Right, right. -It's like general, right? -So, what else? That's not scary enough. -So, the hook for this headline is basically that you'll be able to tell if your mother drank while she was pregnant with you. And that's something that Sharon Moalem, the MD behind this app is sort of advertising. Did you know that if your mother drank while she was pregnant with you, you can contract something called fetal alcohol syndrome, which creates physical deformities later on in life, and it's basically characterized by three things and you could tell just by looking at someone. -Okay. -And it's very specific but I'll tell them to you now. -Okay. -One is a smooth philtrum. You know what part of the body the philtrum is? -I thought that was just like a sexual act. -Yeah, smooth as philtrum, girl. -Like, oh, man, he philtrum. -Yeah. A smooth philtrum is the crevasse between your nose and your upper lip. So, this part right here. -Smooth? -Yes. So, most people have that cleft, right? That's normal to have a little dip in there. -Oh, right. -Right below your nose or your mustache. -Right, right, but if there's no philtrum. -But if there's no philtrum and it's smooth, -Like yours. -your mom was on that drink. -Really? -Yeah. -Mine is not smooth. -No, yours is smooth, man. -No, it's not. Feel it. -I'm not touching your face but yours-- -Feel my philtrum, man. -Dude, touch my philtrum, it won't bite. -No, yeah. It's not smooth. Neither is yours. -Right. No, you have a dipped philtrum. -Yeah. -Yeah. There's a dip in that philtrum. -It doesn't go the opposite way though. -To show where there's a dip in that philtrum. -Yeah, the dippier the philtrum like the smarter you are. Just about the same correlation. -Sure, sure, sure. -So, that's one. If you have a smooth philtrum, your mom drank. -You actually have a beautiful philtrum. -Stop looking at my philtrum. -I just-- I wanna kiss it. -I can't see yours. It's covered by all that orange hair. -Right, yeah. I'm covering up my philtrum. -Another sign of female-- I'm sorry, fetal alcohol syndrome. -Uh-hmm. -Female alcohol syndrome is completely different. -Yeah. -Fetal alcohol syndrome is a thin upper lip. -Yes. -Okay. -Now, I'm looking at your upper lip. -You mean this one? -When you talk like that you look like one of those cutouts that Conan O'Brien uses on his show. -Nice. Thin upper lips freak me out. -Thin upper lip. -Those freak me out. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Thin upper lip is a sign of that your mom drank. -Okay. So, we're all good, the three of us. -And then the third one is narrow eye width. -Oh. -So that's not what you or I have where our whole eyes are like sort of narrow. -Yeah. -That's slitty. -Right. -We're talking about narrow width. -I kind of do have that. -Which means the space between the-- like the right and left sides of your eyes are-- -Oh, oh, oh, width length. -narrow. -Is that-- so, you're saying you and I have width or length? -You and I have girthy eyes. -Girthy eyes. -Yeah, yeah. -Right, right. Girthy eyes. -No. -Stop looking at me, girthy eyes. -You and I have slitty eyes. -Slitty eyes. -Yeah. That's a bad word, that's not like a medical term. -I didn't tell like one. -We're talking about the distance between your eye. -Oh. So, when it's narrow, I've seen those people. -Yeah. It's just weird. I mean, do you know anyone that has that? -Yeah. They look they're like banana-faced. -Like circular eyes. Yes, it's so weird. -Weird. -But apparently, if you see that then you know there's some physical deformity there. -It's possible. See, I thought this story was gonna say I could take a photo of my mom when she was pregnant with me and then by the photo I can tell if she was drunk, which should be a way cooler story. -Yeah. Here she's lying in a gutter with a hospital band on. -She's just like bent-- a hunched over throwing up into a dumpster. -Yeah. -Odds are. -Holding a flask in the birthing center. -Holding an empty battle of Jack. -Yeah. -She's probably an alcoholic while you're-- -Yeah. -while she was pregnant with you. -Well, this app can definitely tell for different things like herpes simplex virus. -Right. -You know, if you have a giant boil on your lip then chances are you've contracted an STD. -Pretty sure I don't need facial recognition technology to figure out. -Yeah. -I got the biggest herp on my face. -Yeah that herp derp on your face, my man. -You got that, you got that herp derp on your face. -So, that's one thing. Other things are, have you heard of meth face? You know how people that have done a lot of methamphetamines, their jaws tend to get shrunken in, they have a cleft underneath their nose. Do you know what I'm talking about? -No. -Like faces of meth. -Yeah, I know what that is. -Should I do a little Google search for that? -Nope. Unnecessary. -Well, if you wanted to know what I'm talking about, look up meth face and you know, again, I don't think there's a lot of meth heads out there that are like, what's wrong with my face? They know. -Yeah. -It's the bugs underneath your skin. -And hopefully they're not listening to our show either. -You know never know. -Well, they're on the hunt for more, man. -We can multitask. -I guess. Not really. -So, that's this app. It's kind of cool but who knows? I mean, I'm not a doctor again, big surprise there. -That's clear. -But you know, I'm sure there's a lot of other diseases you could tell just by looking at someone's face. -All right. Well, thanks for that strange story. -All right. -Let's end things today on a much more entertaining note. Guess what, Seth Rogen and his partner in crime, Evan-- -Meth Rogen, please. -Meth Rogen. And his partner in crime Evan Goldberg are making a film based on the book Console Wars. Sega and Nintendo and the battle that defined the generation, which is basically about the mid '90s Console Wars between Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo. -I don't understand why they have to base it on a book that's non-fiction. Can't they just say they're embracing it on-- -It just happened. -on history? -I think their-- I think the narrative that the book told was very entertaining. -Oh, so they're gonna-- -And they're sort of crafting that narrative into a film. -Okay. -Adapting it. -That's fair. -So, they're doing it. I don't-- I mean, I guess they're allowed to do whatever they want. Are they game experts? I don't know. -It will be good for gaming which sort of has a bad PR, I guess, but-- -I don't know. It's an interesting story because this was the first massive video game Console War that got mainstream attention. And that whole sort of, you know, it's like the cola wars with Coke and Pepsi. -Yeah. -This is what defined with trusted video games into the mainstream. -Uh-hmm. -In terms of like press coverage and media sort of analytic-- -Right. -you know, having that analytical, you know, ear to the ground. -You know, I wasn't really paying attention to commercials and advertisements when I was younger but did the Console Wars sort of parallel commercials to-- you know how Microsoft and Apple in like the late '80s. -No. -They had that like Big Brother type of commercial war. Was it like that? -I think-- I don't think there was there like mudslinging like that. -They were never like-- -I remember the were something-- -Advertisements. -There were something-- one of the companies they had a campaign that was like we do what Nintendon't. -Oh, interesting. -But that's not part-- I don't think that's-- or maybe it's part of this but either way, -Uh-hmm. -it's kind of crazy. These guys are getting involved and they are putting together the film which will document the infamous video game battle. -I'll watch that. I'm a big fan of Seth Rogen. I think he's funny as hell. -Yup. -You don't think so? -No. I like him. -Why? You're hitting on him because you look like him? -I don't think I look like him. -Can we bring that photo back up there? -Yeah. -I don't think we look alike. -I don't know. If you got glasses like that-- can you smile sort of goofy like that? That's pretty good. Give me a Seth Rogen laugh too. -He has a terrible laugh. -You guys definitely share one thing. -No. Someone-- I remember back in the day, I think I'm bitter because Caroline McCarthy one time, you know what I'm talking about? -She said that you look like Seth Rogen? -No. She like sent my photo in somewhere, yeah, she sent my photo somewhere and said, I forget what it was. It was some sort of like rate this tech journalist. -Oh, I remember that. -Did they do it for you? -No, but did you? -Did it for me and whoever wrote it up was like, oh, here's a shitty Seth Rogen or something like that. -Yeah, it's like the poor man Seth Rogen. -I don't think they-- no, maybe it was the better looking Seth Rogen. -But the thing is, this was-- I think this article was published pre-Green Hornet, so Seth Rogen was pretty overweight at that time. I mean, he looks great now, not so much back then. -Not talking about the weight. I don't care about the weight. -So to make that comparison was a kind of messed up even more. -There's worse people I could be compared to but I kind of want him to do his thing and I'll do my thing. -Yeah. -Way more people are paying attention to his thing though. -Yeah. -But now he's like invading my turf, so it's sort of like back off. -Yeah, maybe you can be a stunt double for him. -Yeah, I'm sure that film is gonna have a lot of stunts. -Did you see the trailer for Mike Judge's new TV show on HBO? -Yes, Silicon -Silicon Valley. -Valley, yeah. -Yeah. It looks kind of interesting. -Yeah, I'm into it. I'll watch it. -It has Martin Starr in it, -Yeah, for sure. -who's one of my favorite characters. He was Bill Haverchuck from Freaks and Geeks. -Yes. -So, he's really good. Total shoeing for that role, that casting. -Yeah. -Yeah, it's just about a couple of kids at Silicon Valley that are trying to get their project funded. -Yeah, yeah. -So, they're meeting with VCs and things like that. It looks pretty funny. -I'm into it. -I'll definitely watch that. -Mike Judge does a great job at telling those kinds of stories. -Yeah. There's a lot of this kind of, it's not a surprise really but there's a lot of this kind of television show. I think started it with Big Bang Theory but they also have -Yeah. -like The IT-- -The IT Crowd? -IT Crowd, yeah. -Well, don't forget it's like-- -it's like Betas on Amazon. -It's like our generation is growing up. -Yeah. -So, it makes sense to have, you know, the sort of entertainment gear towards us. -Still though, I have no desire to watching anything like that. I mean, maybe I'll watch this Mike Judge show. -Yeah. -But Betas, I don't-- -And this movies you said you watch. -Yeah, yeah. I don't really care about Betas or-- -Right and you hate Big Bang. -IT Crowd, I hate Big Bang. I don't think it's funny. -Right. -I don't know. Maybe it's like too real because we're so inside the industry. -I don't know. Maybe we'll have to get someone on here to get to the bottom of your like, you know, the reason why you feel the way you do. -You know who's in this Mike Judge show? -Uh-hmm. -Is our guy from what's it called? Eastbound & Down. -Oh. -The teacher from Eastbound & Down. -Oh, really? -Yeah. -Andy Daly. -Andy Daly. -Really? -We should try to get him on the show. -Okay. Done. -That's happening. -Yes, it is on March 5th he'll be here. Yeah. -So, that's cool. -I'm sure that's sort of why they reached out to us to bring him on the show. -Well, no. He's got a-- -Sort of the same-- -Well, he's got a show in Comedy Central that he's a-- -Oh, really? -that he's doing. -Cool. That takes-- that means two things we have to talk about -There you go. -with him. -Very cool. -Yeah. -All right. That's it for us today. Give us an e-mail email@example.com. We will have a lot of stuff to talk about later this week. So, make sure you're tuning in everyday. Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and all that good stuff. That will do it for us. Have a fantastic Monday. We're back here tomorrow. Until then, I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Ariel NuÃ±ez. -This has been The 404 Show. High tech, lowbrow. We'll see you tomorrow, later.