Ep. 1296: Where we take our filters to the grave
Ep. 1296: Where we take our filters to the grave
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Ep. 1296: Where we take our filters to the grave

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-It's Tuesday, July 2nd. What's up everybody? Thanks for tuning in to the 404 Show. I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Richard Peterson. -What is that smell? -Is it turkey bacon or is it regular bacon? -We don't-- I wish you would stop talking about turkey bacon because you have been in the entire pre-show, yet you don't have any to produce right now. I had some-- -Yeah. I'm getting hungry-- -I had some this morning. -You had turkey bacon for breakfast? -I had turkey bacon inside and egg and cheese. -Delicious. -And I was a little upset because I didn't ask for egg whites only but that's what I got. -Even your voice sounds like you've eaten a lot. Right? -Yeah. -You sound like you're in like almost stuffed up to your throat. -I am full, but it's all-- I mean, man do I just love bacon. I'm trying it my buddy Russell has made his own bacon. He smoked his own bacon. Yeah. I'm gonna have a full report on that after 4th of July break. -Yeah. -And I'll let everyone know what it's like to have custom home-made smoked bacon. -Wow. -He's got 5 pounds worth-- you imagine 5 pounds of bacon. -Where did he get the meat from? -Okay. So, this guy-- you know, right? -Yeah. -Right? You know Russell. He missed this calling in life. He should have been a butcher. -Right. -He should have-- an Irish one of that. -Yeah. -Well, also here's the deal. So he doesn't do that for a living. He does something else for a living. -No-- -But he started taking butcher classes and let-- and two weekends ago, he chopped up a whole pig himself. -What? -He kept me sending photos like mid-chopping, which probably super sanitary. -Yeah. -And when he was all set and done, he had about 5 pounds of bacon left over. -Wow. -They has this in his freaking-like freezer fridge and he's like marinating it now. -Wow. -Or whatever-- however the process of baking like from pig to bacon is not just a one step process, there's many steps. -You know, cured and everything. -And he's like in the middle of it right now and I can't wait to just try it. I'm gonna just get nasty with that real-life bacon. -Where do you find butcher classes? -He does it in the city. I think something similar. Yeah. -Uh-huh. -They keep coming home and they keeps taking these photos and I'm like. "Bro, you missed your calling in life." Is it too late for a 31-year-old to stop what they're doing and become a butcher? -Yeah, you should do that. -Do you link it on sausage? -Wow. That's crazy. He's about to get gout though, right? I mean, if you eat too much of meat-- -He probably has it already. I mean, he just hides it real well. -He should save that pork butt too. I bet that'd be really good. -Well, so he says, none of the pig goes to waste and I'm sure we're really upsetting all of our Pita endorsing listeners right now. But none of the pig goes to waste. They use everything besides like portions of the head. -Yeah. -And it's just, you know, look their pigs are delicious whether if they're cute too, which I have-- I struggle with that internally, you know, emotionally. Yeah, baby pigs are cute. When they get older and more bacony, then it become less cute and more appetizing. Anyway-- -You shouldn't just fry up that pork skin. You can make pork rinds. -I would definitely get nasty on some fresh pork rinds. -Would you? -Yeah. -You get super nasty. -Yeah. -All right. Well, we're starving. -With that chicharon. -Nice. Man, I've noticed we-- that's how each show starting this week. -Yeah, what's going on with that? -Which is a little bit of food talk, a little bit of flavor. Start certain things off right. It's like, you know, something to like wet your palette just a little bit. You know, it's how we're easing you in, getting you a little hungry, hungry for food. -Yeah. -But perhaps, hungry for comedy and entertainment. -Yes. There was the Hi-Chews. -Hi-Chews was the sweet-- -Yeah, there was the Hi-Chews. -I still have those left. There's about 4 left now 'cause I've eaten them all and, yeah, we're gonna rock and roll. -Delicious. -What do you got for us Mr. Yu? -Let's talk more about Kickstarter 'cause this is actually the first time I've been hearing about this. -Sure. -But apparently, there's a new Kickstarter for a film about Back to the Future. It's a documentary, right? -That is true. And this comes in from one of our listeners. We appreciate that. They're calling it-- I think they're trying to call it Back in Time and it's a documentary that is looking to get kick-started to analyze and sort of display in profile the unbelievable culture impact that the Back of the Future franchise has had on American life and this is something I can get behind. But you gotta do it tastefully. You gotta do it well. You cannot compromise the integrity of the trilogy by sort of, you know, treating it in a light that maybe the fans would not appreciate. -Yeah, like I don't want the DeLorean narrating the documentary. You know what I mean-- -Well, I don't see how the DeLorean good. -I put, you know, maybe you get like Tom Wilson who clearly hasn't done anything since Back to the Future. -Crispin Glover. -No, he was too reclusive. -That would be really cool. That'd be really are. -He's strange. I feel like he wouldn't work. But maybe you get like Lea Thompson. You get Tom Wilson. -Who's Tom Wilson? -Yeah, man. -Oh, right. Okay. -So you can get some of these guys-- I'm sure Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd would be maybe a part of it. It is time because it would almost-- it would make me feel better just in terms Of having closure on the franchise like we know inevitably some dickheads gonna make rebooted this-- -No. -Like it's, "oh, it's gonna-- -Yeah. It'll have. -Dude. If they re-did, you know, half the movies they've already done-- -Yeah. -Well, definitely-- this is definitely in the half. Almost-- -Starring Kanye West as Marty McFly. -Right. Exactly. -Right? -Yeah, I know you're right. That's [unk]. -Unfortunately, that's sort of-- totally be. -I thought-- remember there were rumors that Justin Bieber was gonna be Marty McFly? -Oh, yeah. -That's horrible rumor. -And then after the internet collectively vomited those resume put to a rest. Nevertheless, Back in Time is what it's gonna be called and, you can exactly-- Huey Lewis was rocking it. Yeah, I would love to check this out. I would love to see something happen appropriately. So if you want to fund such a thing, the Kickstarter campaign is going on right now. We'll link to that in the show notes today and you could support Back in Time. -The best part of Back to the Future is Lea Thompson's quote when I think it's Beth-- the young Beth who like grabs on to her and she's like-- -The second one or first one? -Yeah, she was like-- second one. She's like, "Get your meat hooks off of me." Remember that one? -Yeah. -The [unk]. -Yeah. That was nasty. -So what we're gonna do another tribute thing real quick? What did you have? -Oh, yeah. That's right. I had another trivia for you. I wanted to know what Lorraine's maiden name was? -What is Lorraine's maiden name? Because it's eventually McFly, right? -Right. Well, that's not her maiden name. -Lorraine being-- no, it's not her maiden name though. But she does say her maiden name at some point. -Yeah. Now I know. This is a great question. -I have the Back to the Future fan, you should know the answer to those-- -Is it like Baines or something? Lorraine-- -He's on the right track. -It sounds right. -Baine Croft of Baine Ford? -It's Baines. -Oh, that-- well you got it between the two of you guys. Yeah. -A round of applause right there. Good job Richard. Is that it? That's all you got? -That's all I got. I mean, we do this all the time, you know. I'll bring some more later. -Love it. -Speaking of movies though, do you guys ever go and see a movie in the summertime just to get out of the heat because you know that the air-condition is gonna be running at full blast? -Yeah. -I know a lot people they do the same. I feel like my movie watching that goes up a lot than ever one of us do in the summertime. That-- and also all the big summer blockbusters. But, can you guys guess what the standard temperature to keep a movie theater is at all year round? Well it changes obviously for summer and winter. -So you're saying-- okay. So the back story of this is a Hollywood reporter article. That sort of talks about how the air-conditioner evolve to keep movie theaters cool during the summertime. -And in that-- -They are freezing. -They're always freezing, right? -I love it. -It's like you're in a meat locker. -Well, can't-- okay. -And, so in this article they interview AMC's director of corporate communications and he admits that every single AMC theater no matter where you are in the summertime, you're in the United States and in an AMC theater, the temperature is regulated very specifically down to the degree. So what do you guys think it is for the summer and then what do you guys think it is during the winter? -So for the winter, I'm gonna say it's 72. For the summer, it's gotta be below 68. It's gotta be like 66. I mean it's freezing in there. -You know what's weird, is that in the winter month, it's actually cooler, which doesn't make sense. -What? -Yeah. According to this article, they say the standard temperature across the country is 74 degrees in the summer. -No way. -And 70 degrees in the winter months. -Seventy-four degrees? No way. -Yeah. -How was that possible? It's freezing in there. -Yup. That's what they say. -Yeah, 74 is too hot. -Seventy-four is too hot man. Room temperature is like 72, right? -Yeah. -I'm serious. -Maybe that's an AMC thing, I don't know. -Maybe they are using Celsius. -I don't think you're going somewhere else. I don't know. That's what they say here. -How is that possible? -Maybe it's a typing error, I'm not sure. -That's a pretty-- that's the wrong error right there. -Yes. -To have an article about the temperature. -Very strange, I know. -Seventy-four? -Seventy-- seems to be the standard for the summer, right? But now, it says right here. Our standard temperature in theater circuit wide across the country is 74 degrees in the summer months and 70 degrees in the winter month. There it is. -What? -Kinda strange too-- is that they also analyze pre-sale tickets and then monthly sales figures for the movies that have come out in the past month to sort of gauge how many people are going to see the movies because the temperature can also fluctuate based on how many people you have in a theater. That's kind of an interesting too but-- -Right. -It is way hotter than I thought it would be. I was surprised [unk] too. -So what-- what about it though, like what is it-- it's like how they keep cool, right? So there's like some interesting sort of technology here? -Yeah. I mean, it's called an air-conditioner. -No. I thought you meant that there is like revolutionary, you know, system to have in place. -No. I mean, it's just a giant air-conditioners sometimes they can weigh up to 40 tons and they usually put them on the roof of the building of the theaters and closed them. So-- -Yeah. I don't understand how-- I just don't understand how we can have such a mis- conception of temperature. -Yeah. -Haven't been in a theater in a while maybe-- -Seventy-four is pretty comfortable though, and it might be because you're sweating and when you sweat-- yeah, it'd be cool. Your sweat cools down and then might-- they can feel colder. -I'm always like, "man, it's freezing in here. This is great." -Yeah, I always bring like a sweater. -You would-- -I like sweater. -Yeah, I like my grandma. -Or blanket. So, yeah that's kind of interesting. -Yeah. -So there it is. What movies have you guys seen lately this summer? Anything? -I haven't seen anything. -Really? -Yeah, I haven't seen-- -You haven't seen Superman? -Nope. I heard it was trash. -No, it was good. -It was trash. -I haven't seen it either. -How come-- you liked it? -Yeah. -And I heard it was awful. -Did you to like article of Superman? -Yeah, I talked to Frushtick. He hated it. -Yeah. I mean-- I liked it but I'm not really a big Superman fan. -Yeah. -Maybe that's why-- -Is it true they don't say Superman the entire movie? -No, they say it. Oh, no-- yeah, they do say it. -More like, "That guy some sort of Superman." -Yeah. They don't call him Superman like proper name with a capital S. -Just like they never call-- what's her face Catwoman and Dark Night rises. -Oh, that's right. -Yeah. They never say, "Hey, it's Catwoman." -Yeah. -They're like-- "that woman moves around like a cat." They get around saying it. All right. What else? I haven't seen anything. Have you seen a movie lately? -I can't remember. No, I haven't seen one in a while. Life is so boring. -They're just not good anymore. Yeah. I wanna see World War Z and I wanted to see Star Trek. I never got around to do neither of those. -Yeah, I haven't seen Star Trek either. -You saw World War Z? -Nope. I didn't see that either. No-- will do though. -I heard good stuff about that. I'm excited to see it. Okay, moving on. Let's talk about something else. Let's talk about how every once in a while, the internet population needs to be reminded how to act online, all right? Some manners. And you guys are on Instagram, right? This is what we're talking about right now. Instagram etiquette. -Okay. -Instagram etiquette. -And really-- -And we talked about this all the time. -Is there really etiquette on Instagram? -Yeah, absolutely. I mean, those that one guy who asked for likes on his Instagram photo-- I can't do that. -Honestly, no. -Right? So that's like one of the more obvious things. But-- yeah, another obvious thing is to post instant photos because it's called Instagram and if you're gonna post one that you've already taken, then yes. You do have to add that hash tag Latergram, right? -Really? You can-- so if it's like in the past-- really? Latergram? You've never heard that before? -All right. No. -I never heard that. -What? -Okay, so you guys really need the one-on-one here. -Yeah, Latergram. If it's not instant and you didn't take it right then and you're not at the location where the picture implies, add that hash tag Latergram. -This is news to me. -Yeah. -News to me. -Yeah, because I wanna know exactly what you're doing right now not what you did a week ago. -Yeah, I know. I guess I get it. -Right? -And the other [unk] thing that people do on Instagram-- I'm sure you guys know is when they take a photo with a DSLR camera and they'll upload it to their computer or their iPad. -I think-- -And then they'll import. I know what you're gonna say. And they'll import it back into Instagram to make it seem like they're doing that. You could tell because -- -You shouldn't be allowed to do that. -No. You can't do that. -You should not be allowed to use a gallery photo. -Yeah, right. -You should only like Instagram, you know, candid-- it should only exist in your Instagram camera roll. -Well, no because like what videos right now-- all you can do is take a video using the app. You can't import videos, which is annoying right? Like if you take a photo-- if you take several photos on your camera roll, you should be able to choose which one you wanna use. -Yes. -All right. -Yeah, that's what I was doing. I'll take by 5 or 6 and I'll choose which one for Instagram. -But I know what you mean though. That is very disingenuous. -It is. -You can tell because of-- there's letterboxing. -Sure. There's something is not-- or they just look so freaking good and I think we know-- I do think-- -And it's a good time. It's a good time for this to talk about it. -Yeah, 'cause he's not here. -I think Ariel is guilty of this. -Yeah. -I think-- he like-- some of the, he's a good photographer and some of the photos he takes. I don't know, maybe he's using that lens on the iPhone, you know what I mean like some of them just looked too good. -Yeah, that's possible. -Oh, that's right. He bought some accessories for his iPhone that fits lenses over a camera. -He's got like a wide angle lens for his iPhone. -Yeah. -But I don't know. Some of the photos he takes just look a little too good. -Yeah, I agree. -Right? -Yeah. -You're with me? -I'm gonna try to bring it up right here. -I'm just a little suspicious. -Yeah. -I mean-- I guess it's okay, but the fact that he denies it. Have you guys-- -And that's the report? -Yeah. We've confronted them. He's like, "no man, I don't do any of that." [unk] man. He's like, "no man. I don't do any of that." Oh, my God. I don't know if we could boot his cheating. Because now he's gotta live with the lie. -Right. -You know, he can't all of a sudden come out and be like, no I was kidding around. -Oh, and he can never do that. He'd have to wear like a scarlet eye on her shirt. -Right. And he's got a-- what the hell is that? -Or Instagram? -is that like some sort of-- just forget it man. -All right. Okay. Instead of really like, you know, carried alive until his death bed, that's what he has to do. -Yeah. -And only thing can he come out and be like-- -That'll be the last word. -They will lay in the grass. I know of somebody that-- -Ideas a lot about-- -Come closer. You know, all those Instagrams. -Yeah. -They were from SLR. -No. -That's exactly how thing happen. -Son of a bitch. -Damn you Ariel. -That's very good. The other bad thing that you shouldn't be doing is using photo filters on pictures that don't need that, right? -That's what I really don't like about Instagram. -There was one-- I feel like it was like a cover of Time Magazine or something like that and it was a very famous overhead photo shot that you brought to our attention. -About the storm? -Yeah, of hurricane Sandy. -No, it wasn't hurricane-- -Wasn't it? It was some big storm. -It was big-- it was very isolated rainstorm. -Right. That was like taken from an airplane. -An airplane. It looked like it was a tornado but it wasn't, which is like a very windy sort of centralized storm. -Right. -And some athlete took it, I think. -Right. -And there's beautiful photos such as great overhead shot. -But the person ruined the photo because-- -By putting Mayfair on it. -Right. They use a shitty Instagram filter that really lowered the detail and sharpness of the photo. -Right. -And, you're like, "man, I wish that was not like that because I would have rather seen the original. -Right. -Because it would have been much more powerful and not-- -Yeah. Not every photo needs a filter. -Right. -There is that normal one that's huge. -I'd say about half of my photos have filters on Instagram. -Right. So a lot of them don't need filters but here's the other thing that's starting to happen is-- have you seen the #nofilter? -Yes. -That's starting to become a thing-- -It's a little pretentious. -It's been there for a while but let's talk about it. -Very pretentious? -I think it's pretentious because you're basically saying that you're an expert photographer but you don't need these filters take a beautiful shot. -It's the equivalent of like getting fouled in basketball and you're like, "count it." -Yeah. -You know-- that's the same sort of thing and they're just like that's-- like we don't need you to show off. -Yeah. -You big show off. -Hundred percent. -So, unfortunately though, this is crazy. Not everyone that uses that #nofilter is actually filter-free. -Oh my God. They are lying. -Fraud. -No filter-- -They are Insta-frauds that many of them are in fact using a filter. -How can you think for a second you could get away? -And saying no filter. -How do you think you could get away with that? -Isn't that terrible? -Awful. -So in order to expose these frauds, there's actually a Tumblr called filterfakers.com made of a super group I guess of a super group I guess of photographers and editors that can spot this type of thing down to exactly which filter was used. I don't know how they're doing it, if there's an algorithm or any processing involve. We'll look. Check it out. This is filterfakers. So they put up the photo, right-- of the violin photo-- -That's-- the color's too rich there. -A link to the person's page, yeah-- and then actually a filter that they use with their original caption that included no filter. Look at this one, look how saturated this photo. There's no way this was naturally occurring. -You big phony. -You idiot. -You're freaking lying ass Instagram. Look at this turkey definitely has a photo filter on. -That's not the natural color of a turkey. -Yeah. That was Sierra that was used. -Nonsense idiot. -And what about the enhanced button. Does that count as a filter? -Oh, that's crazy enhanced button. I used that a lot, yeah. You know what, that counts. -I think it counts. -That definitely counts 'cause it adds a lot more richness. -Yeah. Any sort of enhancement, any sort of artificial enhancement. The integrity and pureness of the original photograph is there for compromise. -You can use this. You can add the enhancement and then on the filter on that enhancement. -Oh, enhance that filter. -And then you can take a screen shot and add another filters to it afterward if you wanted to-- -That's crazy. -As long as you just don't say no filter. -And then jump up the freaking window. -Yeah. -Okay? That's what you do in that order. -His skin isn't that tanned. -No way. -Well, there have been yet around the side. -Yeah. That's what kids don't understand and you could definitely tell these-- -Or I couldn't tell the turkey. The turkey was pretty real. -Owen. -Unclear. -Yeah. -Yeah. Oh, my God. The natural, you know-- -It has a shadow-- -Shadow of the lake-- -On half the lake? -Nonsense. HDR photos are equally as annoying with that, right? -Yeah. -Some people can take really great HDR photos like our buddy Henry. -Right. -But all the other ones, they're just posers. -And these are the worst ones too, right? The Selfies that people claim to not have filters on them and to snow how clear their skin is. -Oh, so naturally beautiful. -And how beautiful their teeth are when in fact they just use Amaro. -Pisses me off. -Pisses me right off. -Kill yourselves, right? Just kidding. Just to go away too far. -Just do it, jump off the-- -Some organizers gonna [unk] everyone of these [unk] screw them like us sort of that.-- -All right. Let's move on here. -That's the kind of show we're running today Richard. -Yeah. -You people end up attacking them like going on to their photos and post them in comment-- -They should. I know you did this one. You son of a bitch, you liar-- -You idiot. -We're talking about Kanye West before, why I don't know I can't stand him. -Yeah. -I really can't. I'm sorry. I feel-- I'm sorry if you like his music. -Well there's-- -But I just can't stand him. -Yeah, and that's a good point on which would make more is that there are 2 Kanye Wests. There's the Kanye West the musician, who I really enjoy and there's Kanye West, the personality that everyone is [unk]. -He's so annoying. His stick sucks. -What do you mean his stick? -His whole like, you know, gimmick. -Yeah. -You know-- -Like his God complex and everything like that. -Yeah. Just lame. First off, there's already a rapper with a God complex. -Right. -That's Jay-Z. -And he is gone. -And he happens to be-- -Until he dies. -Jehovah. -Yeah, [unk]. -Okay. Who died to made you God Kanye. -Well, Kanye lately has been describing himself less as God and more like Steve Jobs. -Oh, right, because-- -He's making comparison to Steve Jobs. -Who else on earth would have made that association? -And I'd like to read you-- -Right? Would you ever be like-- if there's someone who is the most like Steve Jobs, Kanye West is like number 40 million on that, right? -Yeah, he has invented Jack Schick. -He hasn't done anything. -Right? So he's been comparing himself to Steve Jobs a lot lately especially in this New York Times article that got posted last week and I'd like to renew a quote 'cause that's gonna piss you off. -Nice. Please-- -And I'd like seeing you pissed off. -Piss me right sir. -He says, in his own words by the way and referring to himself in third person. -Son of a bitch, I already hate him. Go. -I think what Kanye West is going to mean in the future-- -This is-- son of an asshole. -This is Kanye West saying-- -He's such asshole. -I think what Kanye West is gonna mean is something similar to what Steve Jobs means. "I am undoubtedly, you know, Steve of internet downtown fashion and culture." -Let's use real sentences. What does that mean? -Yeah. Doesn't make sense. -Preacher Steve Jobs is the Steve Jobs of the internet. That's what he did, you know, like maybe Kanye West is the Steve Jobs' in downtown fashion culture. -No. It's not even that the internet. But, go on. He's already misinformed. -He says by long jump. "I honestly feel that because Steve has past, you know, it's like when biggie past-- and Jay-Z was allowed to become Jay-Z. I've been connected to the most culturally important albums of the past 4 years, the most influential artist of the past 10 years. You have like Steve Jobs, Walt Disney, Henry Ford, Howard Hughes, Anna Wintour and David Stern. I think that's the responsibility that I have to push possibilities to show people this is the level that things could be at. So when you get something that has the name Kanye West on it, it supposed to be pushing [unk] as possibilities. I will be a leader of a company that ends up being worth billions of dollars because I got the answers. I understand culture. I am the nucleus." -How could someone be so far up their own ass? How is this possible? How is he not like just like a waddling body with a head up his own ass? -I like that. -Right? -I like that. -Oh, my God. -He's the man. -Oh, yeah sure. -He's the nucleus. -He's the kind of person that everyone should aspire to be just a self-indulging son of a bitch. -Yeah, that's what he is. And you know what? We love to watch people that are like that. That's why he's still making headlines. -Well, we'd like to-- -And we're talking about him right now. -But we've-- -So it's working. -But I think our culture would prefer those-- they like watching those people crumbled. -Right. Yeah. -They love watching that, you know, that rubber-- we love rubbernecking. -Right. -We love seeing these big, you know, statues crumble. -Yeah. We love seeing a fat Kim Kardashian. That was my favorite thing about them. -We love seeing Britney Spears shave her head. Right? -Love it. -And we're just gonna love Kanye West spiral deeper, deeper into insanity. -Until North West takes over and becomes the new God. -Yeah. -So he is a proud new father, right-- of North West. Yesterday he posted a picture of what Kim got him to celebrate his first ever Father's Day, right? So this was last week but he just posted a picture yesterday. -Yeah, and he missed Father's Day? -That's what we call Latergram my friend. -It's a later day. -He posted a picture of what Kim got him for the first Father's Day and it's a really weird gift but here it is popping up on the screen. It's a pair of original Apple Mice signed by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. -Oh this-- I mean, if this doesn't validate him being Steve Jobs, I don't know what does. -Right. It's pretty cool. You could tell because Steve always sign his signature with lower case letters and then Woz is just-- he's [unk] or he'll sign anything. So-- -He'll sign anything. -He'll sign anything. So that's it. It's kind of a weird story-- that's not a lot here but this is the picture of the gift. But, what's really funny is that, Woz has signed so many objects. There's now a website dedicated to appraising the things that Steve Wozniak has signed. -Will there are all devalued the more and more he signs tough. -Hundred percent. And here it is. It's signedbywoz.com. And if you scroll down, you could see that a mouse, which is even more rare than the one that Kanye got-- now selling for $35 plus shipping. -Unfortunately, that gift ain't worth a lot-- it's more about sentimental value. -Yeah. Well, you know what Kanye can do with his two new mice? -What? -He could put them somewhere though. Put them somewhere where no one will ever find it. -Well, I have-- -Well that's actually is where his headset. Gems with the assist right there. -Once again. Loving it. Look at all these photos of Steve Wozniak's signing red [unk]. -Is that sneakers-- -Signed by Air Jordan. -He did signed my laptop. -Signing an Apple gift card. These things ain't worth a crap. -That's funny. -Cool. All right, let's do the Xbox story, can we? 'Cause I don't know anything about this and I want you to explain it to me. -Yeah. This is interesting. So, did you know that Xbox consoles aren't really that popular in Japan? -I do know that. -What is it that about the Xbox that makes people hate it so much? -I don't know if they hate it. They just don't give it a time of a day. I mean, it is Japan. -Is this it the brand [unk]-- -Sony is the home team. -Sony, [unk] and Nintendo. Yeah. -I don't know, you know, I don't know if thing gets like an insensitive sort of thing. It's just like-- it's just the way it is. -You're right. It's a cultural thing. -I mean-- -Which is weird though, because Japan is not shy about adopting other parts of American culture. -Correct. But for the most part when it comes to video games, the Japanese culture do not take very easily to American games which are very shooter. So maybe that has something to do with it? -Right. -That makes sense 'cause it's more violent. -But anyway-- -Okay. Well, anyway-- yes, Xbox consoles not very popular in Japan, so much so, in fact, that Japan has created their own nicknames, their own disparaging nicknames for people that play those consoles. -Okay. -And play games on the Xbox. -So what's the nickname? -Well, this is interesting. So the name itself is Chikan, right, which translates to gropers. And have you guys ever been to Japan before? -No. I wanna go. -I haven't either. -Yeah. -I really wanna go. We should go sometimes. Do you wanna go right now? -Oh, let's leave. -Okay. -Bye. -I haven't been but I have studied a lot of the weird things that happened in Japan. -Cultural-- -There is a lot of strange sexual deviancy in Japan and I have seen it all online. And there's apparently a problem with old men groping young girls' butts in public transportation like in subways and buses-- -Okay. -For example, right? Big problem with it. Just a point where this actually fantasy places where you can go and they like to setup a fake subway car full of people for you to just grope butts-- -All right. -And to indulge your grope-butting thing-- -Fantasies? Okay, fair enough. -Yeah, your fetish. -Sure. -So anyway, the name for people that grope butts on the subway are called Chikans because that basically translates to gropers, right? -So why are they gropers Xbox? -So-- -Man, this is weird. -I'll explain this to you. The "groper" name originated in 2002, right-- when the original Xbox came out. And when that happened, a lot of people waited in line for it, right? And there's this one news outlet that waited in line in the store in Akihabara, which is like the electronics district in Japan, right? And they were interviewing people inside the line. Unfortunately, adjacent to the Xbox purchasing line was another line for a really nasty adult computer game. And I don't wanna say the name of it 'cause it's pretty gross. -Okay, don't. -And there are a bunch of customers waiting in line for that adult computer game. But, in fact, there was crossover, okay? There were a lot of people that said that as soon as they were done buying that nasty computer game, they're gonna jump right into the next line for the Xbox, which then-- -Got you. -Got the Xbox associated with creeps, perverts, tranks, lobos and probably [unk] too. -Nice. More back to the future. That's crazy. -Yes, people were like. Oh, look. There's people standing in line for nasty stuff. They're gonna buy an Xbox to clearly people that buy Xbox. -That's so funny how that came to be. -Yeah. -Gropers, Chikans, bunch of Chikans. -It also means molester. -Right. -All right. There you have it. -I think it also translates over to like how people looks Xbox's are like so fanatic that they're like coveting their control. -Is that what it is? Covering them [unk]. -You could call Apple fan boys Chikans too. -Oh, there's total Chikans. -Yeah. -Oh, my God, totally. You know who else is a Chikan? Kanye West-- no, I'm kidding. He's just the loser. -He molest himself. -He does molest himself. He gropes himself. All right. That's a cool story. Thanks man. -Yeah. -We got 1-- time for 1 more story. Can we-- this just popping. Can we do this? -Yeah. -So everyone knows Pebble, right? We used to have like a-- we had a big Pebble conversation. -Yeah. -That died pretty quick because the Pebble people just stopped giving us the time of the day. I don't know why. It's probably our fault. Anyway, I know a lot of people pre-ordered Pebble watches-- myself included. -You didn't get it? -By the way, Salmon Watch in the chat room just coining the term Chi-Kanye-- -That's amazing. -Everyone pre-ordered Pebble Watches. I have maybe 6 friends who pre-ordered. I have one of those friends got it. Coming later today, we'll probably be in announcement that Best Buy will start selling the Pebble Smart Watch. -Wait a minute-- -Wait a freakin' minute is right. -So you actually put your $150-- -I didn't. When you pre-order they-- you get in a virtual queue and then you get notified later on-- -And send to payout. -Right. Okay? I haven't even gotten that e-mail yet. But now I'm here in Best Buy, all these thousands of stores across the country are gonna have Pebble Watches and here I am like an asshole with my thumb up my ass trying to wait for Pebble to send me my pre-order e-mail. Well, that's going on Pebble. You guys freakin' sold out. -That is very upsetting. How much are they gonna charge for that on that one? -A buck 50, same thing. -Oh, okay. -It's not that it's cheaper or anything but the availability is something that's really a slap in the face to anyone who pre-ordered a Pebble Watch through Kickstarter or through, you know, or soon thereafter like I did. -Yeah. -It pissed me off. -Well, you know, I think you should probably be thankful because a lot of people that got their Pebbles don't like them if you like they wasted $150 on it. -No. I don't think they hate them. I mean, I've heard-- here's what I've heard. I've heard the scream-- scratches way too easily, which does. I've seen evidence of it. You would think that that would be like the number one thing you did not wanted to do. And I've also heard that like a lot of-- there's really not a lot of support aside from the faces-- from the watch faces. -Just look at these photos of the Pebble Watch. You know what I mean like, as a tech person, somebody's been covering it up with-- -Screen though looks cool in person. -Who have gotten excited-- I've got excited about a lot of things in my day, you know what I mean? But looking at this watch doesn't inspire any kind of buying motivations, right? Like, it's just a grayscale screen and a couple of buttons. What can this thing do that supposed to blow me away and make me drop 150 bucks? -If you think for a second there, we're going down that rag hole again, you've got another thing coming. -I just don't get it. And have it-- maybe it requires a fool that would walk into a Best Buy and just drop down money for something like this. -Have you heard of Kreyos? All right, just through a link up and it's the Indigogo link below the Pebble Store there. -Is this like the Pebble killer? -So-- well. There's already a Pebble killer. I don't know much about the Kreyos. All I know is that they claimed to be the best smart watch ever and I am interested in where this is gonna go because apparently it's only $99 and it's like a gesture-based as well. The Kreyos people are watching. Tell us more about your product and why it's better than Pebble if you think it is. -This one is different 'cause you can use voice and gesture controls, which we have found to be so useful on a regular phones we'd like to bring into our watch as well. -I wanna check it out. I wanna check them both then. I wanna have them side by side. I wanna be able to make a rational unbiased judgment on these two smart watches and I guess I'm gonna have to go to Best Buy now to get my Pebble Watch 'cause it sounds like they're gonna have them in stock before I will get mine. -Yeah. -So it's kind of a slap in the-- do you understand where I'm coming from? -Yeah. -Do you see this is-- -Yeah, it is a slap in the face. -They should fulfill the pre-orders first before [unk]. -Of course they should. And now they're gonna-- so clearly, there's like-- there's gotta be tens of thousands of Pebble watches sitting in the factory somewhere with Best Buy shipping labels on it-- -Right. -ready to go and here I am waiting for this freaking thing to come out. -Yeah. -And what am I gonna do? -I just think this is the problem with Kickstarter that there are no things set in place for marketing advice, right? Like if there was someone there that could say, "Hey, before we do this. It would be more important for brand loyalty to control the pre-order. -Do you think that's the case or do you think it was just them being like, "Best Buy is paying us this." -Yeah. That's what I'm saying. But they have no advisement on their board, you know what I mean? -I don't know. -Let us know what you think internet? 866-404-CNET. You can e-mail us to 404@cnet.com, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, Google Plus Community and Reddit. We're so close to a thousand subscribers. I wanna hit a thousand before we go to comic con or like a 980 something. Let's go up and pass 1,000 subscribers. That would be awesome. -Yeah. -I mistweeted this morning about our guest on Wednesday, July 10th, the host of the comedy Bang Bang Podcast and show on IFC Scott Aukerman will be here in the studio and we're gonna have a kickass time with him. So that would be a lot of fun. That's-- again that's a week from tomorrow and not tomorrow. That's July 10th, is when Scott will join us in studio. That's gonna do it for us, last show of the week tomorrow. We're off Thursday and Friday-- and that's that. We'll finish up the short week tomorrow. Until then, I'm Jeff Bakalar. -I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Richard Peterson. -This has been the 404 Show, high tech, low brow. Get in touch with the show. We'd love to hear from you. We'll see you soon-- later.

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