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Ep. 1285: You can't handle the techOn today's show, a rousing discussion on the future of Net neutrality, whether you can handle the truth that is the forthcoming technological revolution, and whether glass-bottomed buses are going to start an upskirting revolution in China. (Ok, actually,...
-- -- It's good. Washington I'm Jason -- I repeatedly I'm Donald bell I'm Molly Wood and welcome to buzz out loud in a podcast -- -- -- episode 12185. And the most. Hotly. Discussed issue on the Internet this morning. Is the report that came late last night that seem to suggest that Google and Verizon were basically going to to to to enlighten net neutrality -- -- yeah. Well welcome to deal it just slowly it's not a big it's a slow burn apparently because nobody's ninth they've been talking for -- -- -- Yeah in secret conversations. About how to make sure that everything is really delivered at the best possible quality for the use for you then the Internet consumer -- -- -- but the -- that -- time. And it let me read the times -- -- to read it sent me into like an incoherent babble -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Who could -- -- leading player model are nearing an agreement that could allow Verizon to speed some online content to Internet users more quickly. If the content creators are willing to pay for the privilege. The charges could be paid like by companies like to for example. -- -- right there to ensure that its content received priority as it made its way to consumers. The agreement could eventually. Meet the higher charges for Internet users now this would -- that. And this would really hurt entrepreneurship. And the consumer and -- this. And basically everybody this is this is what we've been fighting against. Four very many years at the very definition of the tiered Internet yeah right but. What's interesting is that after this store may be and actually before -- Schmidt and Google PR machine has been coming in saying this is not true him and Bush Administration it has not. Schmidt has has in the very interest and he's he's Parsons yet and he's smart thing because they're doing yeah hey he hasn't that he admitted that they've been talking to Verizon. But he also said at the tech mom economic economy conference yesterday people get confused that net neutrality is that. I want to make sure that everybody understands what we mean what we mean is that if you have one data tight. Might video you don't discriminate against one person's video in favor of another it's okay to discriminate across different types. There is general agreement with Verizon and Google on this issue the issue of wireless gets messy though so it's. Gonna. Yeah there there official statement was near time is wrong we have not had any combos at present about paying for the -- divert traffic we remain committed to an open Internet they said. The same thing to the guardian we have not had any conversations with -- -- prepared to -- Google traffic but. Eric -- I think clearly and in a larger kind of a slightly more philosophical discussion was saying. -- If you're talking about different kinds of data on different kinds of pipes -- -- we're gonna tear it. That he Eric Schmidt said I don't want to announce anything yet but we have been talking to Verizon for a long time but try to get an agreement on what the definition of net neutrality is yeah and -- you don't -- the New York Times coming out with a correction or an update to this story at all -- mean this is always the problem with anonymously sourced stories because he just like -- In new. Look also he indeed had Google has. All the different data ties right date there they've got voice who they've gotten video with YouTube they've gotten video -- Google night. Chat to -- and they've got you know any kind of just. -- like a web page dated you know one -- like any data you want coming over the Internet Google has some handy in the Mars. You know what but they want to have -- to get something else yet. Absolutely and Schmidt and Google sees all knows all about what's going on over the Internet what what data types are going over the Internet whose -- is going over the Internet and who can benefit from. Carefully controlling how much -- with all -- data types and data providers get. -- And Google by the way though if not Google that is part of the reason that Google has always been in favor of net neutrality because they are not just the delivery mechanism that their content provider especially with something you give me I mean. YouTube and video online was the reason the net neutrality started to come into question why and why carriers were saying. You don't telecoms are saying we wanna be able to charge -- the original definition of the tiered Internet Internet -- that they want to be able to charge you Gaspar faster and with connection at your house. But then they also wanted to charge YouTube extra for making sure that that video was delivered to your house and timely fashion so they wanted to get paid. Double involvement like you -- interconnectivity and -- For a better one and then YouTube already paid to deliver video but they had to pay more to deliver it markets and its its its. It'll totally charities it exactly yet exactly the way that the cable companies are doing it and and this New York Times -- clearly seems to say. That Google and Verizon are are a week away from a deal that would do exactly that menu up Google on the one hand thing right now -- -- -- -- And Schmidt saying. We're totally and materially different kinds of data on different kinds networks is nobody is talking about net neutrality on mobile network now expected and that's where things get really interesting because the net neutrality arguments are completely different for wired and wireless -- But they they do get messy when you make the transition -- it's between the two. And you're right on. On wireless and mobile devices. Where. Man is seen as a scarce resource works not on wired as much. Things get really messy and it's not we're not gonna -- net neutrality probably on wireless and that's really -- yeah but. What we do think -- that's -- that's exactly the future that's coming into the lake that mentality pretty much over -- that's where everybody's pushing to wireless. -- thinking they can go further. -- You know. Gotten money when they go wireless and they can make a lot more money because they can charge. You know they can turn -- the content providers extra they can hurt the consumers more they can lock people in the contract like it and -- and wireless is is the gold mine. -- Also in other things that -- over today Google announced yesterday on the Google official Google like that it will no longer. Develop Google Wave -- as a standalone product Google Wave. Influence. -- it tapped immediately get tapped the thought that takes too. -- Yeah. I. -- -- -- Google it. Okay that's another that's don't know what you did. No no I did I would wanna use you now Google weigh -- on Google Wave. For those who don't remember was a really interest thing real time. Watch what the other person is writing as they write it kind of -- -- email chat document management thing. And a lot of the things that you can do -- now are already out there and like who lives and -- you can see what other people talking at the type it. Google -- was incredibly confusing to use unless you really delve into it. And it's -- if you do. Even if you didn't get -- -- -- -- -- would you want to use that over a tool that may -- just more of the dedicated one purpose. Well we've had a dedicated purpose it was basically to open your brain to somebody -- were actually to a whole group the people's brains and basically most of all together in -- Outside of the more than yeah yeah anxiety and I didn't need to be part of you know brain collective that its third and needed basis a real time Britain to enter it into your just clearly not ready for at -- -- -- -- Can't handle -- that -- is -- another thing. That Schmidt is saying at that technology that can and a discount and I know what to help take economy to thank you economy -- Economy and then I just wanna go attacks on me and I get all their word so -- Schmidt is also saying -- discovered that people aren't ready for a techno that technology revolution basically at those saying he sees all knows all about what's happening communities like. They're basically what -- thing. -- what he's -- -- -- -- basically what he's saying is that. They're so much cool technology coming out that you can't handle it we can't handle it we've gotta put the throttle on to make sure we don't get overwhelmed and like all wave down their heads -- Think he's right is right hit okay and LA he's gotten about all that data that that Google able to collect and that you did the web generates on the databases and how does look like. A handful of photos and -- the track you know a few different. Pieces of information about your location you can do things like predict where people are gonna go my -- dated eight basis he can he be so much of the information. That and and privacy is just. Kind of can be put by the wayside -- like inevitably and people aren't ready for -- Alex is like as a society be aren't ready for complete transparency and it. It seems that there's no way to fight. -- as -- getting. I mean I felt like you know it it's easy to kind of transpose these these stories and they like he -- -- people XT TT stupid for wave but he's definitely not a -- guys talking about. -- nothing you're doing things aren't yet. I think that in a way like you sort of dancing around the idea of the singularity -- -- thing -- look very of them major shift in. In global society and it is hurtling toward us and it affects the way that you live every. Moment of your life and it does have it does threatened to just Tipton. Throw open the doors on your life and make it -- you know make huge chunks of it available to -- -- in nobody's ready for that. And he's not necessarily thing like as individuals we're not ready for anything companies are ready to secure the things that you need the culture isn't right or -- the entire culture it's not ready for but but he says look. It's commonly -- steam train yeah when he opened -- -- actually sit down with there was five bits of bytes of information created between the dawn of civilization through 2003. But how much information now created every two days. And okay what's the perspective and if you and the value of it is you know divide by the -- -- that value that -- -- gonna continue and increase. It's pretty remarkable yeah he says in our lifetime you know it's an upside and I mean it's really it's pretty like. It's kind of W breakdown he's like an upside to this is that in our lifetime. Will go from a small number of people having access to information to five billion people having all the world's knowledge in their native languages. Potentially available like in fact. This kind of the dilemma that -- -- out right now and I know we've talked about it in the past I think about it a lot which is that. We want so many things from the Internet from technology we want it to make things easier and we wanted to be complicated but easy to use and useful in so many different ways -- when you get fatter when you achieve that. You end up sacrificing a lot of other stuff -- And a one hand we want it on the other hand were really uncomfortable to accept it -- you know what I mean. -- because because we are brought up in a -- way to believe in certain things. And maybe there is a generation being brought up now that. Even that well once all of us either die off. I actually have for all hoped to -- -- -- no idea. I mean there. If there is that -- There's like this of the problem. We have all this information we're connected evermore weighs up to the meeting with everybody in allies and I care about but there's still the problem what do we do with that. Yet -- we're I think we're still in the state of we've got all these on new tools but we suddenly forget sat communal to arrange like lunch dates and like drinking -- well but you have really become a lot of cool things that -- -- -- -- -- his head -- blockbuster -- -- click eventually molecular -- with its you know -- Solve the BP oil spill in you know. The IE a danger it's not like that's my using a lot of woman cool new tools a couple of smart capture as we probably could WTO -- yeah the thing is people fundamentally don't change people want the same thing that wan connection that one you know to contribute now. Etc. food shelter math -- wired either they and we get so much information here it overwhelms that and we just forget will work out. Well and we have the and we just you know we've been talking about this for years I feel like that's just the ongoing question just because you can does that mean you show. And we're in I think we're increasingly -- that place in technology in all kinds of -- arena and that I think there is going to be kind of a natural break affect -- think Schmidt sees fit in very sort of ayalon asked terms which are just like. Steady march of technology. Logic dictates that this will happen but I think that there will in fact be many revolutions along the road that will kind of inevitably slow things down it might be frustrating from sort of a pure knowledge when you view. But it's like humanity need to take it like we need comfortable things are we need to put on the moral breaks are we just. In now -- maybe you can't just rush headlong into the singularity because you'll get robot that they can help logo that -- at them. The other piece of misunderstood this is an in his article two on the same information is just talking about his focus on how. We all the BS a culture need to get much more focused on using technology to solve problems. Or or -- solving problems -- in technology rather to store all the information that's at our fingertips. I think that EA as a as a society even though we're not ready for the things at the totally open privacy and all that. We we do have we have problems that need to solve the thing you know red ends quickly. And if with -- can use technology to get there -- -- transparency helps us get there I think that's a good thing but if a follow -- -- doing is helping us. Tweet about what we had for breakfast on -- -- basis. It's all right it's remarkable event that -- basically is this technology revolution for like entertainment. About we have is it for communication and I think that's really valuable -- when you look at the way that people abuse it but to organize protests in Iran and you know and to bring light into the darkness I mean I think that there are -- I think communication is underrated as a as a tool for you know global change positive change it it it brings. Brings us all together it does in force. The idea of equality and democracy and that's why it's so it's fought so. Vigorously by totalitarian regime yeah. If it's one tuna fish sandwich is one thing but don't go to the square or go to the square for the protest. All the communications avenues are blocked but this one is open now it's another thing. And that means basically you have to incredible forces fighting with each other. You know -- the -- old -- control and people want to be free and chair and that's where you get bloodshed but that's how the world changed. A quick update before got a break on the Google net neutrality -- it looks like -- Wall Street Journal has now published a story that is reporting. Something similar to what the times as saying that there is a tentative agreement in the works that can provide a framework for legislation that would codify some of the net neutrality. Principle that would allow phone and cable companies to offer faster priority delivery of Internet traffic for companies that picture this -- Verizon is also -- coming out and denying the New York Times person really yeah. -- little bit -- journalist and that's -- -- -- is upholding it it's definitely it is still ongoing and that is the latest as we go to break. That's the latest news when we come back. Apple's organ embankment PDF. Apple says that it already has a -- already. More than a for the browser security flaw discovered earlier this week on -- -- powered devices and you may remember from yesterday show that that is the security lock. That allowed. The latest. Web based jailbreak. Software -- until. Until yesterday this wasn't seen by many iPhone users and actual flaw maybe even though it does and -- a new law teacher and -- does use a flaw a security flaw and in the way the IO pilots renders PDF files. To get into the phone and allowed to jailbreak itself then. Apple says basically it's a security problem and we're so sorry and we're fixing it in the -- will be available soon. And screw you Joe Brittany that's gonna work and I mean if we don't -- -- the jailbreak but just not overlap yeah. When it actually probably I'm like they should fix this I mean that is not shouldn't daddy's -- totally I like that security flaws. Why is very bad and -- it's about apparently that the German government. Issued an official warning to its citizens. About the plot Wednesday because the you know potentially into the kind of thing that allows them and take complete control of your device just by viewing media file despite -- -- and it. -- Threw it at three point one point 23 -- three -- outlined an -- I devices so no PDFs for you until it until Apple fixes that. The law and it -- probably worth the Mac it's jailbreak the old fashioned way with us not with iPhone dev team software not the web one. The old fashioned jailbreak and -- I think all that's. Of course is up in the bars and pull out and -- gather and -- -- -- yeah. You know like. Eleven and begins of Smartphones Lebanon is becoming the latest country to expressed concern over -- Apple Blackberry option or data storing encryption thing. Yes other countries now -- governor getting on board saying we don't want anybody in our in our borders using this technology which we can't hack into -- and that's the problem again with the the Research in Motion Blackberry is that nobody can get yet. Can get into the enterprise data stores and -- -- people are saying and people don't like of that. And the latest and yesterday it was Saudi Arabia had set its deadline for turning off blackberries in that country and it with today. -- -- -- -- -- -- We. Me now and Rem is like yeah. Are you hearing yeah everybody you're bringing governor is the Blackberry and you cannot -- enough right furthermore. Michael as our readers I'm sorry I'm -- -- named co CEO Research in Motion is basically saying. Look it's not us it's the Internet the Internet is secure it is encrypted this is not he says the Blackberry only -- if they can't -- the Internet they should shut off. And then move to China does a great idea yeah yeah so that the that line. Okay has appointed to think now I totally I mean you're happy net they're never gonna be able to say it like them unless they're going straight look at -- with everything that they use of that country -- never -- be able to secure. Data and buy secure they -- monitor data and spy and citizens and clicking on mama. And -- -- open government -- tiny bit of attended if you can we can disagree they say local voice I'm gonna give it to you again. That whatever problems ram is currently having can almost certainly be attributed to the fact that they have -- CEO with. The I was wondering about that myself that -- merely say oh yeah I know are noted he got out one bot traffic. That does not gonna work but a lot for a while Steve -- with the -- -- -- -- you have every -- -- that he was no one -- to -- them with the other one. Is -- but who heads or something that the other -- And they're the ones with the Mac daddy in the understand. Like red flags central -- out there totally code all the -- yeah yeah. Other problems for Blackberry the European Commission has apparently opted for iPhone and HTC handsets. Over the Blackberry to roll out to all its employees. They were -- searching for a new Smartphone since 2008 and Maine they did not and this is just surprising because of the corporate. Prevalent the Blackberry. Bending over and it it is extremely surprising to see -- a corporate -- -- -- in this case government make -- -- Choose something other than a Blackberry that that's not good for rim in general. Especially since that's where learning it's -- secure. So said the going to Apple -- And -- -- the it would take a three Android devices. The -- attractive and it won't be all the employees it will affect rents are and misspoke there it will affect 2500 of the organization's 32000 and -- probably end up -- But it doesn't it -- kind of interesting because it. It makes you wonder if they have similar concerns but they're just not being is upfront about it. I mean maybe they do you really wanna do data monitoring -- like government employees. This this whole thing that we recovering after three days about the Blackberry is just mind boggling because -- -- is getting into trouble right now just put it. -- tiled on it because there to secure. Yeah but it's come down to and that's. And that seems to be the case it worked for them for ten years all the sudden -- to a secure nobody wants some actual desire. In May be dead and maybe it different than operational definition of secure -- And -- -- only to carry around like a super Blackberry though that like this there mega encryption on direct area right. An update and that what's happening in France they have implemented that the the three strikes law as you know even though the European Union struck it down. France went with the three strikes which is which means that if you are accused of copyright violations three times and by the way that does not have to come from like. The police. They can just come from some company and -- and attribute to your IP address so in case you're wondering three strikes is bad. And it's and now there's that there's one company had dopey. That in charge of developing the software that will do the monitoring that will allow for the wild accusations that have no basis -- due process and and this back. Has leaked apparently for this tool and it basically is. They say it's it's fairly every day snooping software you know the panel monitor all Internet traffic including searching for about a new computer and -- in a -- configuration. Then it also have -- It'll like look at everything that -- running with an alert system that will notice whether you using a file sharing program. And say your bout Dem modified using PP about houses or else you wanna continue Tennessee both offered in a new computer -- -- -- now presumably. Probably three IP because the ISPs are -- are required to comply with respect -- which is another reason that they're so hideously awful. And then it also looks like people are pointing out that the the software spec itself appears to violate EU law which prohibits -- general obligation to monitor. -- -- also -- I don't know it's just like hack this of that all like French officials are suddenly red flagged by the software have for having violated the PT peeled off. Radio baseline -- like album maybe this isn't such a good idea after her problem. You know is it's is -- good thing that he expects out there for people. The really dig through it yet and move the hell out of France I guess I guess genetic and struck down in court. Admit that's the crazy thing that has been it in the U I -- the EU has had multiple cases in which they've -- absolutely not this goes too far. It you know -- -- disrespect due process that's -- On people on the Internet and and Francis -- -- like yeah all we're doing now and -- -- Tore tore tore plus. Linux because I don't think that's. Right -- you know this is -- windows offer MacBook advocates and your system and the genuine. Distant legacy is a computer -- that's spyware advocates of Linux this -- repeat he. Well exactly -- -- -- with a lot of people do that means is that downloading method for distributing in analytic and that -- like one would hope that there would be a button. That display yes dammit I'm downloading Linux -- if you get a warning about the PP protocol I downloaded the African protocol not a lot braking maneuver idealists -- craft to last night. And it came over PP a lot of it in I it was. United -- -- special down -- and I click on the details and it's like like ninety other computers or downloading to mean I'm uploading them yeah and the deputy like we're not naive -- we know that a lot of times and it leading Lime Wire at the pirate music and movies. But Peta. Is a protocol and it is an efficient data delivery protocol that is basically just -- be destroy it because it unusable. If lovely but continued. -- Under the headlines shall we let's I'll Google is now offering the Nexus One as an unlocked Android developer phone. You saying buy it four -- 529 dollars. And you don't have these disparate elements it can be used on contract -- like an in the this goes to the point that. They. They were never really serious about making about selling a hundred million of these things they just want it to get the phone out there and this is the standard one without all the crap where that the development the carriers but yeah. -- -- Vonage now has an app on its like -- irrelevant. That brings free VoIP calls to your FaceBook friends. Yes it's an app that runs on both. The iPhone and Android so you can go from you know it is so if we both have the app then we can call each other without using a minute's over Wi-Fi or I think data over three G as well and what's the -- but immigration -- -- -- use -- FaceBook FaceBook contacts. Now and we. Right of them so when I go to the app then if you have yet as well then you we connect via -- and it's neat thing I mean there's nothing stop -- -- any other VoIP app from happenings -- impeachment next week now right but it is Vonage and you know they need to it and keep on keep. Relevant -- and how you go a little on edge but the little engine that could. Also FaceBook has rolled out privacy controls. For mobile phones which I personally was pretty excited about is if I'm on the road and they like roll out when an -- -- at any time you got him hello now. Oh my god they have opted me into you would not believe photo sharing or whatever you. -- need to get -- -- -- -- you don't have to go to real browser they have a mobile version of their settings page that for them finally. And Friendster still kick in not really into that but FaceBook I -- you flood of money now and -- right. Is good job that Friendster apparently forum patenting a whole lot of the stuff that they did they -- just -- Printers patent portfolio. For forty million -- -- a little -- The -- different -- ASEAN now we know -- the network so slow they're working on a patent applications. It's what -- and patented deal that included advertising partnership for payments for virtual goods and actually the valued and. Yeah and -- on here that's great network of one of the patent applications which shows diagram from Friendster. Covering user compatibility scoring in a social networks though when FaceBook. Tells you who you should be for ending it might be -- -- technology behind it. Interesting also at forty million dollars apparently that patent acquisition is one of Facebook's largest on par with the -- deal Oracle now. And Acer is the. Italian consulate -- a cigarette left. No no -- I I think this story is hilarious. I think this is Acer is showing off a new dual boot windows XP Android netbook. That's called the Acer Aspire One a OD two by five it's being sold at some. The that the computer applications show in Taipei right now the computer on Friday that 30350. Bucks. And it's a cool little netbook that will boot into XP if you want or -- Android if you're in a hurry. And it's -- with during the story in their cause I think these products are hilarious -- people are going to buy products. The hard enough to wear his heart and authorities computer as it is when it's got one operating system on it. -- that limit -- use Skype Android or Skype in XP. And I just think it's cute -- -- I think the -- little more since they did night. The Chrome lives like just like to commit this committed nine and how that the prettiest it's like instant web browser you know -- it as a dual boot but. And now I is that -- which overlap I I really like this technology as -- geek I mean you know when I build a computer I want one have when those motherboard that will boot into. The low end clinics and sleek and just get into music respect relief at the entrance off. But really that's just -- computers that -- fast enough and not worry about that. And -- and they never really. They never really work at -- those you know -- -- instant -- things are always too low power to you know -- -- -- -- an. Lenovo is trying to do this would think with -- you want and what are skylight which one of those all that same thing -- that -- the U one was gonna have to undock on the screen into computers and one that -- computers and -- And now let's super awesome like but I mean but rather ridiculous favorite yeah we get total -- anyway I agree with the speed of novelty is. -- here is -- home company inside in an effort to go green and relieve congestion without writing widening roads. Mission engine flashy feature parking equipment company. Is developing. Now. Act three indeed but that that can go -- -- car. You're driving along. Minding your -- business and all the sudden the tunnel over. Yeah you. Don't. And -- -- hmm. What could possibly. Go wrong well I need to turn right here boom shifts over that is six. I love that. It some they are actually doing it the first 115 miles of -- -- -- for construction in Beijing meant to do district certainly no Michael this is a joke now. -- -- -- I wouldn't elevated now another thing it'll take a year because they don't wanna to widen roads to build I don't wanna do I mean think if -- -- ready to reconfigure your roads to make room for an elevated so why not just do this which is in fact elevated. Over -- if this thing was on is this on rails or is it. It's like a random outside really I thought maybe this is a leg actually thinks that the bus in name only it's actually kind of a weirdo train exuberant trained thing really trained -- It is very clever if you think about it is -- -- Chinese guy is gonna need to drive would diapers on when this thing comes up behind. Runs over their car headlines they company if -- company by the way for the will only take a year and 500 million -- yen which is. 73 million -- Well we should think about it I mean considering like what people like what we're talking about in California investing in a light rail system. 73 million dollars to -- have a bus that goes over top apparently this innovative. How disorienting is it for the driver when suddenly your wall comes from behind human pass as you went and we're gonna do you like. I'd be happy that it what you're used -- a half after going when you look out the window and you're going pretty miles an hour and of scenery is going thirty rounds and -- yeah. My advice is best -- you notably cool both if you singles and a glass bottom he could see like all the cars -- correction than anything I'd be pretty. And understand that you're getting up -- glass bottom -- asked -- -- Be the exercise and so if you -- look at this time. I'm sorry I can't get a good point I think that's not to burst your bubble up all night to that and others of a feature or. Alright and -- play all zones slow your I have today. You point to China. It it. This is a smart traffic can you could get -- -- there's -- -- with -- at a standstill and you seem to be the only moving thing on the freeway lets people can get used -- anything like this imagine when he gets the point where viewers -- and -- and and -- Our friend I think it's I'd like that -- route take out a whole new -- there. Maybe it'll be like. With you know -- thing doesn't work comin' up on it in a -- handle it or at least the idea diapers and -- love -- Our friends at Tom's hardware have figured out that it is actually possible to mine the gold from all year old technology -- you know that. Technology your circuit boards contain all sorts of rare and precious medals now and the guys -- -- figured out that they wanted to actually get that money back where their old here. So they went through a basically an eighteen -- chemistry process. Involving. Very dangerous acids and gases. And chlorine gas and hydrogen sulphide -- the north up and a bunch of old computers and they came up with. After basically few negating their entire city. Portal for old. -- he -- autistic. He can't be done this is this is brought to you straight from the department of all you have to do is. Right -- I have to do is build a meth lab -- how. I just thought this is really it's just agreement -- -- days ago that was really is also this is the post apocalyptic mad max the man and a little -- to know how to do this the yes tonight marriage and your precious gold that we use to barter with and at some point it won't even -- -- gold red it'll be about all of the other. 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Expletives Verizon of the show and -- tickets and a similar email and actually sent us the picture. What you get once you have done this thing and then try to get on the web and Verizon says yes I've -- you -- -- In and he -- him hint I have the I have. I -- have been directed to that page and and -- a little a lot thanks for the breach of the okay and that probably explains it no -- verses mean anything problems. -- -- The broke in turn right sentences atlas Nabil elevate him like you to work nothing better than starting my day to and and a motor accident analysts believe you have to moderate -- -- -- -- prepared to. And today -- I'm pulling at work and it is some police -- behind me imagine my surprise when I am handed a 114 dollar ticket. For wearing headphones that's right listening to be able -- they've really put it into my pocket no warning just a straight a ticket officer jokingly told me hoped. When I was listening to -- And that was. Oh word of warning to Florida drivers one -- while driving is okay but tool cost you. Yeah then you don't are everywhere you're not allowed to or had an even higher cap. That buttons -- -- sorry as anchor bay and that I I hope they weren't that. I think all the episodes you -- -- if that it was. If you look after your lifetime subscription TV annually if you listen to -- whole year below that the fifty cents an episode. These are now at. -- about value. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Well I've got a well actually for you turns out that the FBI had at least some reason to be concerned with the simple image posted on Wikipedia it's an -- BG. Meaning it can be reproduced in printed at any size without degradation -- quality as compared to a restaurant image -- -- PNG thing. Most companies hold those files very closely as forgeries are very easy to create with them it's not as bad as -- the monthly fees for -- hundred dollar bill but the FBI might think it's pretty close Wikipedia should probably pulled SPD not maintain a -- -- -- -- -- -- -- program that it's -- vector graphic that really makes them as a completely reasonable suggestion but I have to add. What's the big deal about an SB GON. A local -- of the government -- the sea -- we can't blow it up on the side of your car and by pretending to drive and -- mobile -- gonna -- -- -- -- I don't think it seems a little ridiculous that I mean you know I guess we have all seen the movie where somebody make that big FBI -- or whatever and you can use the -- on their but it sort of like. That doesn't actually have to be that high quality right if you're just making -- -- -- classes that I just feel like the and generally parliament department -- 154000. Image results for FBI field of various quality than -- -- right and it just it it's. If somebody is determined to make a forgery they're gonna make the portrait can imagine that the Wikipedia encyclopedia entry is really gonna link. Enable the terrorist event it I walked -- -- -- -- -- I'm with the FBI and amateur recently looked like that I feel how old you know other thing we get does not have to be a high read them you know no difference you'll supposed to look like in the first place I could make it up and what. They should ban is the Jack gets. -- that's still. Edit edit yeah I'm -- and a -- MEI on the back in -- wallet that emulate give us you know it. Odd that. This ridiculous wanna make. All this stuff now. On -- FBI birthday cakes yeah. If the athlete I thought in the lobby top -- and that's -- and he has this great thing about urban camouflaged in which is basically get a white van and you make up some official sounding thing in you've put like a work best over the news this seat. And all access pass in the stickers in the windows and it's the drive and that's -- -- -- do you -- a -- to -- -- -- good to -- -- what we can do that Idaho outlawed and he's saying. It's so Blackberry for today I'm wondering yeah -- in in this Google Wave in -- so. Why would use Google Wave -- the again it's much call. Let us -- Our pin number on Blackberry messenger is 24523. C 65 and we will read the results from last week's worth of questions on -- show. Yeah at pathogen and actually we did once upon a time I remember getting a really good email -- up the one -- you. The one -- in order to believe that I don't what I use Google way for that was really cool. Writing a story with Stephen -- -- about Google it. It was really. 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