Ep. 1248: Where we take a staycation in the dead zone
-It's Friday, April 12th, 2013.
We're the 404 Show on CNET.
Thanks for tuning in, everybody.
I'm Jeff Bakalar.
-I'm Justin Yu.
-I'm Bridget Carey.
-I'm Ariel NuÃ±ez.
-Welcome to the program and thanks for coming back, Bridget Carey.
-Back to the 404.
-It's been a really long
time because you freaking hate us and told us that in the pre-show you're like you wanna know why I wasn't here last time 'cause I hate you.
-It's a mad, mad world.
-It's a mad shot-head world.
Actually, last time it was about Facebook madness that was going on.
-Oh, that's right.
And you mean nothing that no one gave a crap about.
-Came out, comes out today and--
-they also revealed that you don't need to download the entire Facebook Home experience.
You can have a Chat Head in your Android Facebook messaging app.
-That's what everyone should have just said at the end of Zuckerberg's presentation.
-Whoop de freaking dude.
-Which means nothing because--
-Hey, you know what's cool about the new Facebook is the threaded comments.
Have you guys noticed that yet?
It's not rolled out to everyone but--
-you can comment on someone's comment.
-It's only for like a giant page.
-Like now for you and me.
-I like that 'cause then it's kind of like Reddit AMAs--
-that people do when they ask the respondent with a survey question.
-So, likes vote them up?
-Yes, so you can like-- no, no, no, it's not a voting system.
You just comment on the thread.
So then they're not like
-No but you can ask a question and then that person can comment specifically for your question.
And they're not doing this on like a [unk].
-Not on personal pages, no, no, no, no.
-If you have like celebrity fans.
-Only if you're like a massive group, yeah.
-What's happening with them?
What do you think?
Are they slowly but surely drifting out of senility?
-Obviously they're trying hard to-- that you keep paying attention of them.
I think there are just so many cool things that we wanna like try out.
There's nothing wrong with trying out other apps and they get all nervous and they say to you
they just don't like it anymore.
-But it's true, they don't.
-I'm hooked still in terms of having to check it.
-I still have that what am I missing out on addiction but it doesn't meant that just because I got another app to do something and I mean, less inclined.
Although, I'm not sure either how much we go wanna spend time on these private chatting groups like Path,
-which only work if you get-- if you really lobby everyone in your family to get on something like that.
That's more personal than Facebook.
-Right now, how much time do we get?
We're gonna use Facebook.
-Twitter is madness--
-Is it-- but the Twitter is-- it's--
-But I like it but I mean, it's a constant like noise.
-You know what will be great about Twitter is if they had--
-But Facebook is becoming that.
-If they had like an algorithm like it somehow tell when people are tweeting about the same topic just without using hash tags and then they would group all those tweets into one category.
So, you wanna have multiple tweets with the same subject in your feed.
Does that make sense?
-Yeah, I understand that now.
-So, basically so, if you don't wanna feel left out on a conversation
you can just quickly see it without having to search for what was the hash tag.
-Or you don't have to keep re-reading people's comments and overviews of a topic you could just read different ones.
Or what would be great is a already read,
-so that that's what you wanna keep showing up in your feed.
Instagram needs to do that too so that you wouldn't have to keep scrolling back through your old photos--
-But then why they keep scrolling?
'Cause that's how they serve you more ads.
-So keep clicking, folks.
-Keep on clicking.
That's how you keep it free I guess, right?
-It's very annoying with the advertisements.
I don't think people are gonna for this Facebook Home in a
large scale but they don't care.
-No, they are not.
-They don't care.
This is our first step.
-Then the next step is to just integrate more and more and more.
-Yeah, but we're like-- does anyone else just not give a crap?
-I don't really care.
-Like I just don't care.
-About Facebook or about any social network?
-I mean, a Facebook is important.
I'm not gonna take out that away from that.
-They've obviously done unbelievable things.
They've changed the world.
-But this-- it just seems like too little too late for me.
-It could still spread apart now.
-But now that everyone has niche social networks like if I wanna see what my friends are doing,
I'd go to Instagram.
If I wanna know about news, then I go to Twitter.
-There's no reason to go to Facebook because all that stuff exists on other networks.
-I wouldn't mind a network that actually worked well for just spreading out what I wanted to say to all my networks at once.
-Like including Google, but they'll never really integrate together with other apps like that.
-I'm kinda with you.
I think because I cover Tech, I almost find Facebook acting embarrassing when--
-when they have a separate app just that copy snapshot or they have a separate that does this.
-I think the general public doesn't pay attention to that kind of stuff.
-They're becoming the, you know, the--
-Your uncle who's trying to fit in at the--
-his nephew, your uncle's party and niece's party.
-Yeah, he's like doing the Macarena and like yeah, yeah.
-He said, "Go, you guys play that new BioShock game."
-So, there's the hipness factor.
-And then-- and now there's emotion icons that are coming.
-Which is like LinkedIn.
Not LinkedIn, I meant to say Live Journals.
-Sorry, the L word was on my tongue.
-Like the animated little like, hey, hi.
I feel like I'm reading.
-They're like emoticons that are graphically-- that moved graphically, right?
-Or just represent more than just happy and sad but like--
-I'm in the mood for listening to music.
Yeah, you know--
-But they also have the frowning face too, which means it's like the first step towards a dislike button for Facebook, right?
I mean, this is like the first negative thing they've put on.
-Let's not do dislike buttons.
-That's just mean and bad.
-Just do a frowning face.
-Though, how's that mean, though, internet is the most awful mean place in the world.
-I don't want anymore awfulness like, let's not promote it anymore.
I think certain things should be able to have a dislike button on them.
-You know, but you can't obviously like, oh, you know, my wife's pregnant, you know, and dislike.
Like what is that?
You know, it is--
Let me give you an example of things that I see as just ridiculous that people have no concept of social media etiquette.
Someone writes a touching post about how they're upset that their aunt has cancer or their mom.
-Sometimes that happens.
-People just wanna share
really sad news or someone died.
-I get that.
-I see likes.
-I see-- that's the problem.
-I see likes on that.
-No, but they're not liking the death.
You don't use a like button to acknowledge the existence of your comment.
-Just read it like--
-nothing or comment.
You know, don't put thumbs up on terrible, sad death news.
-What do you think about people who do that?
Because you talk about social media etiquette, I think that door swings both ways because if you're disclosing the intimate private details of something like that.
I mean, you're well within your right to do it,
but you also have to face the awkward consequences that will result from something like that.
-Well, yeah, but I think we all kind of like, oh, it hurts [unk] be assholes.
It's kinda like--
-Yeah, I know, I get it.
-do you open the door to like getting spit on when you walk out in the sidewalk?
I guess so.
You never know what can happen.
-But I think there's comment courtesy of the world like just it's the same thing as holding the door and [unk] slapping someone's face, you know.
-Just calm down and stop clicking so much that you click at thumbs up on something terrible.
-I don't know.
you could delete that, like you can delete a nasty comment.
You have control over that.
-You have no control over like--
-But you can't unlike something.
-of like taking a like away.
-Or at least maybe you're-- I think you should be given the ability to decide whether or not that post can be laments.
-There you go.
-How about that?
-If they want Facebook to be everything to us, give us more control like that.
-Bridget, you brought up death earlier.
Now, why don't you--
-This is kind of a morbid topic.
So, let's keeping talking about it.
-Google unveiled something kind of interesting about what
happens to your data after you die?
There's a new service that lets you designate who your information goes to.
-Who you bequeathed to.
And tell us a little bit more about that 'cause you reported on it yesterday.
-This is interesting just in the case that if you want to pass on your account or your information or what happens to those photos in your Google account, what happens to all that music when you die.
-Or just stop using Google, right.
Yeah, like that ever happens, according to them.
Then you said in an active timer,
-if it hits a certain amount of
time, you can send off your data to be passed on to your best friend or whomever.
-And what's interesting, though, is that you know, they'll check it on you to make sure you're not dead just yet with a couple of text messages and e-mails.
-Like just making sure you're still alive.
It's always good that Google knows if I'm alive or dead.
-They don't know enough about me but now they'll know if I'm alive or dead.
-Well, it's the first good application--
-of poke that I've ever heard of before.
-Just poked you, is he dead?
-You know what, it's a lot better than what Facebook is doing because I hear so many
terrible horror stories about--
-About how, you know, my mom passed away and I can't control her Facebook page yet.
-And I've requested to and these things kinda get lost with like administrative, you know, approvals.
-If you can set it yourself, why not?
I mean, it's-- obviously you could just give your password to someone but not everyone like it's just a more fancy way to do that.
-Yeah, I read this morning that even though Roger Ebert is not with us anymore, his Twitter account is still gonna be run by his wife.
So, that's kinda cool but I don't know, this is interesting 'cause you can either have someone delete.
You can have Google delete all your information or you could choose a list of friends that your information will get sent to.
Right, like you could then make your trusted circle.
-I don't trust my friends.
-And then you could choose which products and passwords under Google that will get sent to your friends.
Like for example, if you want like your Gmail password to go to someone, you can have it sent to them,
-versus like your Picassa, you can have that sent somewhere else.
So, it's kinda like
It's not all your information goes to one person.
I like that.
-That's a will right there.
-Yeah, that's a will.
It's your will.
-I give you all my music and I give you all my photos.
-So, Justin, I bequeath my fixie bike.
You know what I would like actually is, it'd be cool if I could choose like my own message to be sent off at intervals after I've died.
You know what I mean?
Like in 6 months or something.
I'll have like an e-mail automatically sent to like to you.
-That's from beyond.
-Just as boo!
You're next, Jeff.
-I'm coming for you, Jeff.
I'm coming for you.
Like sent from beyond the grave, down and beyond.
-That won't be a surprise, man.
-Well, they have that service for Twitter they're working on.
-Where like it learns the way you talk,
-and when you pass on, you can have it turned on and kinda use its algorithm to like speak on the kind of things you might talk about.
That is creepy.
-I think I'm not sure how I stand it.
I think it'd be kind of fun to haunt from beyond the social media account.
It is a really haunt.
-Who do you haunt, your enemies or your friends?
Are you kidding?
Maybe a little bit of
-All of a sudden.
Man, well someone's gonna really take a very serious look at this in some sort of like sci-fi dramatic sort of scenario.
You know what I mean?
-What do you mean?
-Like have, you know, a movie that takes place or whatever it is that kinda takes place, you know, 50 years from now,
-our generation is on its way out.
-And just like, you know, be that sort of one of that generation that grew up with the internet and just--
-what it's doing with everyone, you know like--
-Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
-It's sort of morbid but--
-Like someone would be like, oh I was like reading Jeff's tweets the other day.
He's like really funny.
Jeff's been dead for 20 years.
-No, that's not what I mean.
No, that's not exactly--
-That kind of thing.
-Been dead for 20 years.
-How does he tweet?
-Something like that.
-But like a serious look, not--
-you know, I don't wanna trivialize it like you just did.
-I think as we make the mistakes now, as we're going to get a hold of it, I think it's gonna be just normal to pass on your password.
-Right, of course, yeah.
-And people might even keep it up.
-But I just think like
there's a lot of interesting story lines that one could weave through the, you know, the possibilities down the road.
I don't know.
-This is what keeps me up at night.
This is why I get three hours of sleep every night 'cause I'm thinking about stuff like this.
All right, there you go.
Digital Will for all your Google accounts.
-Let's move along.
Justin, I know what you're smiling about, over here grinning like an idiot.
And wouldn't know this is not a grin.
-I'm just scared of laughing.
-All right, please, tell us.
-Bridget, which topic do you wanna know?
We can talk--
-Well, if you want to.
-So, big news today coming on the independent.
A new study says that porn websites, the streaming versions, you know that look streaming videos and stuff like that, are actually hosting malware through the advertisings that they post on their websites.
-This is not news, dude.
You didn't-- I think it's news.
-No, it's not.
It's not news because everyone of my friends who wants me to fix their computer,
-are freaking pervert.
-They're all like clicking on the--
I'm like, dude,
-and stuff like that, yeah.
-what's sites do you go to, friend?
-Well, I'll tell you which sites they're going to, because these are the two that are the biggest fenders.
It's xHamster and PornHub.
Those are two of the biggest websites on the internet actually.
-Don't ask me why I'm just--
-xHamster is 46th most popular on the internet.
-And PornHub is number one.
-PornHub was number one.
-Oh, what's number one now?
-Now, it's Xvideos.
-Didn't know why I need to know that so bad but anyway--
-Because I-- I don't know, don't ask me why I knew that.
I just knew.
-Well, of course.
Those are the
-That's really-- that's upsetting because I feel like some of these brands, look, they provide us service, they make money, they do what they gotta do.
Separate yourself in the fact that they host pornographic videos.
-They just understand that they are a service kind of like what YouTube is.
-And it just--
-A shady dirty service.
-It's not shady.
-And a lot of people go to them too.
They're not shady because so many people go to it.
-They're not illegal, nothing's illegal.
-You know, it's like if they're frequented by a lot of people, that means it's the biggest group of--
-I wish we have the traffic PornHub, okay?
-So, you know, I think it's with their-- there's a certain responsibility
that comes to that.
-And I think PornHub has done something with their branding, where they're like they come off just as like safe one to go to.
-In terms of malware and you know, undesirable crap infecting your computer.
-So, what's going on?
-Well, it's the types of ads apparently.
And yeah, so the ads are more nefarious as you'd expect, right?
-So, you have like the regular porn video but then you get like pop-ups, right?
And I'm sure 2 out of the 3 people in this room know what I'm talking about.
I know what a pop-up is.
-So you get like pop-ups in the corner and you'll be like--
-And peep downs, pop on ads.
-Exactly [unk] water.
-Be like watching a video and then of a sudden you'll get like a chat window that pops that looks like a live webcam,
-with a girl that's like talking to you as if you're chatting with her.
-And there's even like a chat window,
-where that looks like you can type into it but when you click on it that then installs malware in your computer.
We have to describe in great details what these things are like but anyway--
-And the other ones are the cartoon sex ones.
You know what I'm talking about?
Where it's like family guy characters doing it for some reason in the corner of the screen.
-Why do we have to get so descriptive here?
Ron Jeremy ones.
Do you know that thing?
-Can you research?
-There's a girl-- there's a woman in the studio.
We don't have to get so graphic.
-She knows we have a woman.
-Does installing, you know, protection software not do anything?
-No, it does.
-But not for your browser.
-Sure it does.
-Those are for things like a download in computer.
-No, there's spyware and malware protectors.
-But there's extensions that run behind the layer of your browser that can still infect it.
-Well, if you-- if you're pretty up to date on your Spybot and stuff like that, you're gonna be sailing safe.
-Just don't click on
any of those pop-ups.
-Practice safe surfing, boys.
-Locals sluts don't wanna hook up.
-No, they never do.
-Locals sluts never wanna hook up.
-God, who were the people that fall for that stuff?
-That's what I want.
-It's the first time on the internet, it can't be--
-Girls I think, girls.
-I don't know.
-So, just don't go to those two websites, right?
Like just don't go to xHamster and PornHub.
-How can you say that?
Because every other-- every site that hosts this sort of crap is gonna start to do it.
-Yeah, but those are the two worst ones.
There's still like Spankwire, there's still Tube 8, eCorner,
-Well, it might be the worst
because it has more stuff to see.
All of those.
-More chances to get hit.
-Are you going through your bookmarks?
-I just read my bookmark.
-You can go to big.com, you can go to PornerBros, Stop Do, or whatever you want.
I don't know.
I'm just reading.
-You are not a nice guy.
-The weirdest ads are like those-- like 3D monster porn ads.
Like who's clicking on those, right?
The ones that like are in some interest species,
like that's so weird.
-Yeah, why is it-- the spectrum--
-It's like a monster cartoon and it had like more--
-I get it.
I get it.
-Sense of cool hub.
Who is like--
-The spectrum of homosexuality, don't question it.
-I like lesbian porn.
Maybe I should click on this monster sex too, like--
-Don't question it, man.
-That's a big jump.
-Whatever you wanna do on the privacy of your own home as long as you're not hurting yourself or anyone else.
-Rock and roll.
-Those should be more targeted ads, right?
-I guess, dude.
-You're not-- I'm not really gonna agree with you in any of this anymore.
-[unk] have always--
-I wanna talk about
I wanna talk about a little bit about Xbox.
We haven't-- we didn't cover the story.
We touched on it briefly on Wednesday when Mark was here but now that I have another fellow gamer in the studio today, I wanna bring this up with Bridget.
-There's a lot of-- nice, I like that.
There's a lot of controversies surrounding this Adam Orth dude.
-This source is a getting a little old now but Adam Orth was a creative executive or director at Microsoft Studios.
And he tweeted
out, this is going back a week already, he says, "Sorry, I don't get the drama about having an 'always on' console and playing a console that has to be connected to the internet all the time."
-"Every device is now always on.
That's the world we live in.
Deal with hash tag, deal with it."
-I like the vacuum one that he did.
-Because he then went on to like explain other scenarios where maybe you wouldn't buy stuff because electricity was out.
-He's like, oh the electricity goes out sometimes, guess I'm never buying a vacuum anymore.
Which is a great point, you know.
-It's not a great point.
connected all the time.
-No, it's a terrible point.
-It is terrible.
-I like that.
-You cannot compare the same thing.
He is-- you know what?
He's gotta deal with the fact that if you're gonna tweet about a secret product and being asshole about it, you're gonna get fired.
-Well, I know-- look, I don't know if I think the reason he got to let go is because he probably broke a little of an NDA there.
-Well, not only that but he wasn't be-- like you are--
-He's being mean too.
-You are not representing the company properly.
-Like someone goes, well, you know, internet connection might be great where you are
but not in this rural town.
-And he's like, why the hell would I wanna live there?
-He was being a total dick.
-Like absolute dick.
-Yeah, but you're allowed to be dick on Twitter.
That's half the reason why people joined Twitter in the first place.
-What upsets me about the story is that--
-You represent yourself in your bio as a Microsoft person.
But what upsets me about the story is that there is no such thing as a personal Twitter account anymore.
-Sure there is.
-no, you're not,
-because you're directly connected to your company no matter what you say.
But you understand--
-And the fact that he got fired for just saying his opinion on something even as an employee of Microsoft,
-If you go to a public place and start
talking about your company.
-it shouldn't be this way.
It's the same thing as that dongle joke that's been made, that we were talking about.
-Why don't-- no, I disagree empirically with you.
The-- when you tweet something, you are on the record.
-Like this is not-- there's no-- you're not supposed to have-- Twitter is not about privacy.
So, there's no, you know, scenario where he could get away.
Now, don't get me wrong.
He could say stuff about things he's not employed.
-I mean, yes, he broke the NDA thing but
everything else was just an opinion.
Why should he get fired for that?
-Because by doing that by--
-And it's still not out doing there or not, he was fired or he left himself.
-So, we don't-- I don't wanna spread rumors.
-He clearly God freaking pushed out.
-One-- any logical person would conclude that odds are he got pushed probably.
-You kinda wanna hang around for your big product release.
-Exactly, like the new Xboxes coming out.
Now is a good time for me to quit.
-Like no way but if he hadn't--
-He got pushed out.
-if he hadn't broken that NDA just by acknowledging the existence of the next Xbox, he shouldn't have gotten fired, because you're allowed to express
opinions no matter where you were.
-Due, no, you're not.
-Yeah, like if you came out--
-If walk around and say you--
-I really do.
-Like I can come up with a really foul example but let's just keep it PG.
If you went out and said that you like, you know, knocking seals on that-- baby seals.
You're a baby seal killer and you love it and you stand outside of a big public area and you say, you know, you're representing still, I don't know, maybe going badly.
-But that's illegal.
That's illegal, that's different.
-No, that you could get away with.
-And try to think of-- Okay, may-- yeah.
-Like that you could get away but what I'm saying is, here, look at-- here is this hypothetical
Let's say CNET introduced something brand new.
Like something brand new that they roll out this new feature.
Whatever feature X we call it, right?
Whatever the hell this feature is, and you went on Twitter and you're like, man, you know what really sucks, this new CNET feature X and it blows and I hate it.
Which is-- I'm not saying that's equivalent to what Orth said,
-but it's in the vain, right?
-Or anyone who doesn't like our website also blows and doesn't get--
-Just stuff like that.
-And you're insulting
-You're insulting the customers.
-It's just something where you tethered to it through your employment.
-And you are-- when you tweet something out, you are on the freaking record.
-So much though that there's a freaking documented instance of what you said forever.
-Even when-- you know, I was having this conversation with-- I went out to dinner with Peter Hall last night.
-And we were out with a PR friend of ours, right?
And we were talking about, you know, off the record, on the record sort of
I mean, even when you're doing verbal stuff like that, you're safer than you are on Twitter.
-So, you know, Twitter is the worst and that's something like I, you know, you just have to like understand.
-I'm not saying he didn't do anything wrong.
-No, I know.
-It was a sort of gone head move to make jokes like that and he did it all sarcastically too,
-which is kind of a veil for, you know, something wrong in the first place.
But I don't think you should have gone fired for it.
I really don't.
-Now, I'm not saying I kinda agree with you there.
I don't think this was
really grounded up but this is what happens.
This is his consequence.
-Especially because he's not supposed to be-- his job isn't to liaise between Microsoft fans.
-No, it's not.
-And if you put yourself on Twitter as a main voice for Microsoft,
-then I guess you are just taking up on yourself to be liaising.
-What if he didn't have Microsoft's-- like if he didn't mention Microsoft in his title on Twitter?
Would that had made it okay?
-I think this first tweet is maybe would have been okay.
-And then after he really started trolling with the--
-If he just didn't have it in the bio,
it would have been fine?
I don't know.
It might have been.
I think even if he did have it in the bio.
It may be would have been fine but when he started trolling people,
-that's when the [unk].
-Probably because he was spending work time doing that instead of actual working.
-Whatever the reasons are, you know, we don't know, but whatever the reasons are, you know, he kinda got to fight with people and it got ugly.
-And he came off and he's like big dick and I'm sure Microsoft is like, ugh, that first tweet all right, maybe we would let it go but then he wouldn't stop.
-Yeah, if you
cause bad publicity for your company, you're in trouble.
And you know that couple with the fact that being an Always On console is sort of in the news lately with the whole SimCity debacle and that's being, you know, casted in a very negative like.
Then, you know, all the starts line up, guess what?
You're bombing quarters at the bus stop.
-Not-- I'm sure he's-- I'm sure he got a great [unk] but whatever it is, you know, it sucks.
-But that's the dice you roll when you
say crap on Twitter.
-It's like stupid criminals.
It's like criminals who like get like, you know, they like rent the car in their real name that they use as the getaway car, you know, criminals that just like leave a ridiculous paper trail.
-And just make it easy to get caught.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's crazy.
-So, more or less, if you wanna vent, make a fake account.
Yeah, I agree.
-You know, that's really like the thing to do.
-And judge it from there.
that is the thing to do.
Look like that CES Trailer one, the one your run.
Just kind of load that up on this.
Do you guys have fake accounts?
-I have like 58.
-Yeah, I know you do.
I know you do.
Can you tell us a few of them?
-No, I don't have any.
-I know for a fact that you have a few.
-I don't, man.
-Are you challenging me right now?
I'll say it right over to you.
-Don't name names.
-He's begging me.
Get down on your knees.
-Honestly, there's so many now that I just don't even know anymore.
-Yeah, I know.
It's funny when you forget them
and all of a sudden you get a new e-mail.
-They're all abandoned.
No, I-- they're all, yeah, they're all gone like they're out of my control.
-They're just the funk, though.
-You put up some choice for this.
-eviljustinyu.com was my first one.
-Oh, is that you?
-There's a lot of those and they're only about you.
-Yeah, they're all, I don't know, there's a lot of weird fake accounts.
-People-- I don't know, they really like you.
-Or the old me, just trying to make myself feel better.
-I guess so.
However you gotta do with it.
I'm not gonna judge.
-So [unk] by Twitter followers, others--
Give their real account compliments.
-It's like sending yourself flowers.
-All of it should, oh for sure.
-I just have one account just to retweet all of the stuff that I post, solely.
-It's funny 'cause I really don't-- I couldn't even name any off the top of my head.
I would prefer--
-Of yours or of mine?
-Yeah, but we'll do that later off the record.
We'll do that.
How about that?
Let's finish up with this wacky story about a real life The Village.
-So you know that M.
Night Shyamalan movie The Village, right?
-Yes, that abomination.
That our opinions on that movie aside.
-Slight opposed to this really awesome article today and it's about this group of 36 people that suffered from something called Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity.
You've heard of this term before.
I think Molly Wood claims to have this electromagnet field around her.
That does the same thing.
-I've never heard of that.
-So, EMH or I'm sorry, EHS, Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity is
when you believe and I should say believe because it's not an affliction recognized by the medical community.
So, it's sort of up in the air about whether or not.
-It's when you believe that radiation from things like microwaves, coffee makers, cellphone towers, anything.
The internet, WiFi, that can cause headaches and cause you to feel weak, some people get nauseous and a lot of people eve report their heart rates getting lowered when they're around a lot of radiation.
-So, what you're saying is that
it kind of messes with your internal balance.
-Because I know I have electric powers but I constantly shock every five seconds and like shocks and then I think I just drag my feet.
-But I like to think that I'm in X-Men.
-It's like she has the power of little [unk].
-If I'm really pissed at you I'll go shake your hand.
-[unk] for a second.
-You're not even.
-So, anyway, this is a real affliction.
so that there's a group of 36 people that are moving to a cellphone free town, especially for this purpose 'cause they are sick of the symptoms.
They're moving to a 13,000 square mile area where electromagnetic radiation is banned, and it's banned because this place in Green Bank in West Virginia, it's close to the National Radio Astronomy Observatory.
-And in that Observatory they have a big telescope that uses radio waves.
-So, it's sensitive.
So, it's very sensitive, that's why.
-I wanna go on
Can I come in?
-And have a stuff right here.
-Am I gonna mess up their balance?
-You could do it but a lot of people in the community are getting pissed and that's what this article is about, the response to the new influx of citizens.
-They're like, this is our freaky deaky no radiation zone land.
-We don't take kindly that you people coming in here.
-Well, they're irritated by it because when people move in, there's always these special circumstances like one of the residents that moved in previously sued a neighbor for her WiFi signals, claiming that it gave
her all the symptoms like headaches and stress, nausea, etc.
-This is still not yet recognized then by any doctor anywhere, right?
-You know what gives me headaches?
Staring at a screen, that's something.
-Yeah, how about that?
-You know, looking at vine and get a little nauseated.
-It's a very--
-But actually the vibes, I don't know.
I don't know.
-Or if there's no scientific evidence,
-and not one person with any sort of credibility can belch for it,
-Well, hey, what if you take it to the next level of saying
if you have your cellphone in your pocket too much, we're gonna be discovering if that causes cancer.
There will be evidence.
-But that might validate it if--
-the time comes I hate that we get to learn that in time but--
I don't think so because if there's--
-I put it by my bed side all the time.
-There is-- yeah, but I think for this people, there's some weird like freakinomics things going on here.
-Yeah, for sure.
-And I feel like a lot of the symptoms are stress related.
Like you could also attribute that to just high levels of stress that you get--
-in place that have a lot of radio signals which tend to be big cities, right?
-Like if you're in New York, you're always
under dress like you're just fighting for space all the time.
It makes sense that maybe you would get headaches or your back would be bad and then maybe you'd get a pinched nerve that would cause those headaches but being in front on the computer all the time.
-You can-- as adults we probably lost the stability but when you're younger, you can hear a TV being on even if it's just like on a black screen.
I could always do that.
-I'm less sensitive now to something.
So, maybe people could just be sensitive to like hearing the buzz and hum of electronics that now we're less sensitive [unk].
That's totally fine.
-That's not a medical condition.
-And you know, if--
-You can make it in your head what you want but--
I feel like people--
-as a culture, we underestimate the power that our brain has without knowing.
-Yeah, it's the power of expectation.
There's a lot of things.
-So, when you're around stuff and you expect something to happen your brain has a funny way of just making it so.
-Yeah, like you can, you know, I'm not-- no one has super natural powers.
But you have amazing--
-Right, we sit beside shocker Bridget over here.
You have amazing, you know, sensor.
-You have amazing,
you know, like we can do incredible things that all exist within the, you know, physical world--
-but they're not you know, inter-dimensional and stuff like that.
I also think that maybe a lack of sleep from these people is causing this stuff too, right?
I mean the symptoms are so generic.
They come from anywhere.
-A lot of psychosomatic, dude.
-Do you not believe in people just being sensitive to ESP and things like that 'cause this is something so--
-you know, like just--
-You mean, like clairvoyance?
-That's not a real thing.
-Okay but that's where I wanted to gauge.
-Because if you believe that like you can maybe have a feeling about someone or like worry that like the person you're really connected to is somewhere like-- or I get a sense that they're coming,
-and I know they come, some people have that, this is probably on the same level, just being sensitive to a different, you know, a different frequency.
-I think the story is the reason why WebMD shouldn't be on the internet.
Like this is the reason why people shouldn't just be able to look up their symptoms and then it'll tell them, oh, you're too close to a computer right now that's why you're getting these headaches.
-It's not right.
-If you believe in some
psychic things, then maybe they're just computer psychics.
-If you think that staring at your wallet will give you a headache,
-after a long enough time, it will--
-And that's where--
-that's really where it ends.
-I also think a lot of people have these-- like Luddite moments that I want-- I'm gonna call it that because whenever you're on the computer and you're constantly checking things, you see that Google Reader ticker go up, there's all these unread news items in your Twitter feed, everyone has that Luddite moment where you just wanna move.
-You wanna move to a place where technology doesn't exist anymore
and if you find somewhere you're gonna do that, like a couple of months ago,
-I watched No Reservations, you know, that Anthony Bourdain show.
-There was a No Reservations Hawaii episode.
-Oh, my God.
-And after I watched that, I seriously considered moving to Hawaii for a 2-week span.
-Because I was watching this guy and he was on the beach and he was like eating delicious food and--
-Hawaii will do that to you.
-it's basically Utopia for Asian people, whether the majority and [unk] with the minority, I wanted that.
But regardless of the reason why, you know, like--
I'm just saying that no one was using technology in this episode and it made me wanna move there.
But then after two weeks he snapped out of it like everybody else.
-These people are insane and I can't do that.
-Zorbo and the chairman goes, yeah, Justin, it's called a vacation.
Go into a place.
-He will let me do that.
-That's what these people should be doing.
-Go to a place where you can't use your cellphone.
-Cruises, best example.
It cost like $20 a second to even connect.
-No one's connected.
They're taking photos to upload later.
-And there's poop in the hallways but whatever,
-like that's fine.
You just kick that aside.
-No, you know where you go.
-It really let you get away.
-You know where you go, it might cost you more.
When I was on my honeymoon in Hawaii, we were at a place that banned all that.
You weren't even allowed to have a TV in your hotel room.
-And it was remarkably relaxing and I felt great and it's almost the sort of therapeutic, you know, detachment from the digital world.
-That I think everyone should really,
-just-- no, I'm not saying do it once a week.
I'm not even saying do it once a month.
Do it twice a year.
-And you will enjoy to the point where you wanna do it more frequently.
I think if I have Twitter on too long, I'd become chemically imbalanced a little bit.
I'm a little more ADD and I'm a little more, you know, twitchy and-- because there's just constant stream of--
-I gotta check, I gotta check, I gotta check.
You know, like Ariel, did you ever feel like that, man?
-I honestly-- I put my phone away everyday when I get home--
-in like for a few hours.
Just put it away.
-Oh, that's why you won't get back to me.
Or it takes a really long time for me to get back to you.
-I like that.
-What did you instead?
Do you have any screen on like a television?
-I'm usually on my computer like working on music or something.
-You know, like it's easy to just not-- I mean, easier to get no interruption when you just put your phone.
-Like-- 'cause any time the light turns on, you have to look at it you know.
-Of course, yeah.
-So, I just throw it away.
-And then you can look at the other side in the spectrum.
If you're married to somebody who just forgets that they own a phone and just doesn't even look at it when you absolutely must get in touch with them and they're just like, oh, it's in my purse in my office.
Like, oh, okay.
That's like my mom.
-Oh, I'm sorry.
I hate that.
-My mom-- and she only checks her e-mail once a day.
You know what I mean?
And that's kind of irritating but kinda nice.
I'm also a little jealous of her.
I also check my mailbox once a day as well.
-I think my dad, Lou, is the worst.
-This is the guy who only turns his phone on when he leaves the house.
-Yeah, there's people like that, yeah.
-My mom does that.
Yeah, she turns off the phone when she goes to bed, which is really irritating--
-Well, my mom--
-because in emergencies, if you wanna be able to contact someone,
-that's why cellphones are always on.
-See, that's the
one caveat that I'm still on board with.
-You still turn on your phone--
-I don't turn it, I just leave it in another room.
-Why do yo do that?
-Because you know what, that's like, you know, sleepy time and if it's an emergency, I'm sure it's terrible,
-but I'll find but--
-But when you left it on where your friends calling you at 3 in the morning anyway, I mean it doesn't matter.
-You know what, I've been doing it now for like 6 years and it's never once--
-And how many of your friends have died because you didn't pick up?
-A lot of them.
-It's never really been an issue and you know, it makes me think like what did people do in 19, you know, 04 when
you know, whenever before the first telephone created.
-Oh no, there were still you know, phones but you know, what did people do when that's it, you know, I don't know.
Dr. Bruce would side with me on that.
-It's really fun, yeah.
-Turn off that phone, turn it off.
-That's the only thing--
-So that's what these people should do.
Don't move to West Virginia.
Who the hell-- no, I'm not even-- look, I'm hating on the entire East Coast.
-Yeah, don't do that.
-Parts of the West Coast.
-I'm just saying, don't move to that part of West Coast.
-West Virginia there's nice places in there but yeah, don't-- yeah, this is like Amish country over here.
But Amish country probably does have cellphone towers.
-But it does sound like a nice vacation, you know, if that place in West Virginia were smart, they would open up like city as a tourist attraction.
-Yeah, I'll bring--
Like you-- even if you wanted to, you wouldn't be able to use a computer here.
-We don't have them.
We take great pride in that.
-There's none electrical outlet from mall.
-And you could take home a pie.
-This place is so bad that they can't even have refrigerators in the city and so they have to make ice themselves.
-Like pairing on.
-They are-- that is Amish, that is Amish.
-That's just a better dressed
-Well, I think like stuff like geothermal cooling and heating is very smart.
-I think more you know, houses, modern houses should do that.
-But there comes a point where you gotta draw that line and be like, okay, I need a freaking refrigerator, okay.
-We've had these now for 70 years or whatever the hell it is.
I need this.
-Keep it in the basement.
-I need a vacation too.
-Yeah you do.
-Do you guys all wanna go on vacation?
-I would love to, man.
-You're going on vacation next week.
Take me with you.
-That's not really a vacation.
-Oh, it's a--
-I will be working on a wedding.
-Yeah, that's actually
the exact opposite.
-That's actually another job.
That's an opposite.
-I'm going to roam in Aruba.
I think Aruba in August.
-Apparently that's a place you go to.
Have you been there?
I'll be back with full report in August.
-Why are you gonna go to Aruba though?
There's beaches, you can go to Long Beach.
You can go to Atlantic City.
You can go to Rockaway.
-Because the islands, the islands are different.
-Are you comparing Atlantic City to Aruba?
-Oh my God.
-I'm just saying there are beaches close by, you don't have to pay $1000.
-Have you ever been to the
General Bahama area?
-I'm gonna pass--
-Aruba is much more south.
-It's like it's off the northern coast of Venezuela.
-But I'm saying like clearly you have no idea of like the escape and the magic--
Don't like to travel.
-If you never like the DR or anything like that.
-Don't like to travel.
-I don't have my passport.
We gotta get out of here.
I-- sometimes, my brain just can't even keep up with what goes on in your life.
-It's a whole different country.
-One day we're gonna get the difference and bottom of this.
-No, my thing is that we're in New York right now.
This is a vacation.
People come to this city to vacation.
-Right but there's different types of vacation.
-You shouldn't have to leave this city to go on vacation somewhere else.
-To go to a beach you have to.
-That's why every advertisements about leaving to go to Miami.
I'm on vacay, I'm paying a lot of money to just live in my apartment.
Why would I leave and pay more money to go somewhere else and pay for apartment in the city.
It doesn't make sense.
-To see the world, man.
-I've been on vacation for the past 6 years, man.
-I've got skeptical fry going so hard right now.
-Yeah, you do.
-I like-- can you tell if you're serious or he just doesn't wanna go anywhere.
I don't get it.
So, you're saying, I understand New York is the greatest city in the world.
-You don't want to leave to go to a tropical?
-Yeah, that's what exactly what I'm saying.
If I'm gonna go on vacation I wanna go see my friends at California.
I wanna go see my family in Southern California.
-You don't wanna sit on the beach?
-I'm not going to a beach where I can go to a beach in Coney Island 45 minutes away.
-That's not a beach.
-That's not a beach.
-I love New York a lot and that's not a beach.
-I could bring you a bucket of sand right now and you might feel like it's beach.
-It's not like a Corona commercial beach.
-There's [unk] and sure they're
a lot better for beaches but still,
-if you want like blue see-through water, you gotta go to the--
-Yeah but what do you do in the water though?
-You freaking enjoy it.
I mean, look, I'm like-- I can't believe I'm defending tropical vacations right now.
No, it's weird.
-It's like so insane right now.
-Do not understand and feel the beach.
I'm kinda with you but the envi-- just go to Hawaii.
You got Hawaii, your life changes.
-It's gonna be so hot in New York in 3 months that you're gonna wish that you are going to the Arctic circle--
-Well, that's fine.
-So why would you pay money, no, to go to a place just like that.
-No, it's different, dude.
Everyone says Aruba is like very-- it's like Hawaii.
I was there for a long, I was there in Hawaii for half a month basically.
-Hawaii, the weather is perfect everyday and it's breezy.
-It's not like New York city where it's 183 degrees,
-And then 4,000 in the subway.
-You know what I'm saying?
I understand that.
-It's much more tolerable tropic--
-And there's attitude changes and--
-Oh, I don't mind that.
-Oh, you don't wanna tell me the benefits--
-I don't mind that.
If I go to Hawaii, I'm buying one way ticket and I'm moving there and then vacationing in New York
then and go back.
-You trolling son of a bitch.
Like you are on some--
-You fell for that for like 15 minutes too.
I was like, I think that's a record for my show.
-I'm sure you were kidding.
-No, I'm serious.
We gotta say goodbye before I just rip your head right off.
Bridget Carey, always a pleasure.
Thank you so much for being here, the lovely and talented.
-Bridget Carey, follow her on Twitter @BridgetCarey and then watch CNET Update every single freaking day at cnet.com/update.
And we'll be back here
We're working on, we're gonna guest from The Ben Show on Comedy Central, Ben Hoffman.
We're working on getting him suited up and over the Skype phone thing.
-Is he the guy that did the fake tig?
-That's the show after him.
-Okay but they're-- I guess they're buddies and they have a great programming block on Comedy Central Thursday nights.
So, make sure you check that out and that's gonna do it for us.
We'll see you guys on Monday with the winners of the Bioshock Intimate contest.
We've got plenty of submissions that will show all of them including the winners on Monday.
Until then, I'm Jeff Bakalar.
-I'm Justin Yu.
-I'm Bridget Carey.
-I'm Ariel NuÃ±ez.
-The 404 Show.
High Tech, low brow, have a great weekend.
I just don't like you right now, Justin.
We'll see you on Monday, guys, later.
The 404 Show: This is the end
The 404 Show 1,596: It's the end of an era with Steve Guttenberg...
The 404 Show 1,595: Spotify's best music of 2014 with Shanon...
The 404 Show 1,594: You're getting a selfie stick this holiday,...
The 404 Show 1,593: Even more revealing Sony leaks, US gets fatter,...
The 404 Show 1,592: Using Tinder to hitchhike, foiling bike thieves...
The 404 Show 1,591: Sony keeps getting hacked, Black Mirror,...
The 404 Show 1,590: The flip phone returns, Street Fighter 5,...
The 404 Show 1,589: Records were meant to be broken (podcast)
The 404 Show 1,588: 20 years of PlayStation, Google improves...