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Are reboots killing movies?Is Hollywood's reboot-mania eroding creativity in the movie biz? Or should we welcome the return of yesteryear's big franchises? CNET's Luke Westaway and Rich Trenholm fight it out.
And if you look at something like, for example, the reboot of Robocop. Yeah. Which was kinda much maligned and it wasn't perfect by any means, but I think the most interesting. It was terrible. Well, it wasn't perfect. It was terrible. It wasn't. Go on. It was terrible. It wasn't. It was, no, no, we can agree it wasn't perfect. It was, okay, okay. Cuz it was terrible. Because it was terrible. It was a very long way from perfect. [LAUGH] The TV and movie industry is filled with reboots at the moment, but are reboots great, or are they tearing apart everything we love? I'm Luke Westaway, and with me is Rich Trenholm, who doesn't like reboots. Rich, what's the problem with them? Well, let's call it spade to spade, right, let's be upfront about this. A reboot is just a fancy name for a remake, right? It's a complete [UNKNOWN] of creativity and that's the problem with Hollywood. What, i, i, i totally disagree but well done [UNKNOWN] [LAUGH] Ok but what i would say this [UNKNOWN], i like reboots Hm. Because they are in a way, the oldest and purest form of story telling Like the bards of old, we pass down familiar tales from generation to generation. Don't you think it's, there's something quite nice about the fact that, like, kids today are, are really into, like, Transformers. And it's the same stuff that, that, we were into. Like we, we passed on these familiar stories and characters. I think there's something quite nice about it. Yeah to a point, but then you know, if you wanna talk about the old tradition that's because that was, that was the only way you could tell stories. Now we live in a world where if you want your kids to enjoy Transformers, you can show them that the Transformers maybe, that you enjoyed it again. You can show them the same movie, you can actually enjoy it as a kid. You know? I mean, I, I, I, I kind of see where you're coming from, if you look at like, the Dr. Who reboot for example. Right. That was that went away for years, and years, and years. I remember watching it when I was a little kid, and it went away, and I thought that was the end of it. I thought, you know, no other kids would ever get to enjoy it the same way that we would. And then it came back, and and my nephew really liked it. And so, I was quite, you know, I was quite happy that that I was watching the show again. It was back on television, and my nephew got to enjoy it. But that was a slight, that was a slight difference because that was continuation. What I kind of have an objection to is the idea of instead of coming up with a new way of taking a particular story forward, whether it's coming up with new stories of Doctor Who. I, I kind of object of dismantling the whole thing and going right back to the start and trying to retell the same story again, like for example the the Star Trek reboot which is literally telling the same stories again. Well, but most reboots do try and take a different tack, so like, look for example at the upcoming Terminator movie. They, you know, they're going in a very sort of different direction. I mean, I don't think it looks very good, but but. I kinda do, but ok. Well, well, there, there you go then! At least they are sort of taking, they are trying to, like, take the same sort of Themes and characters and ideas, but sort of muddled them up a bit. Kind of put them in a blender and produced something a bit new. I think it's the sort of hard reboots for me, is the thing where they just start You start from scratch and go back from scratch. And I think Bond is more of an evolution, the same with Doctor Who and the same with plenty of other of series like that. The thing about Bond is that it kind of, it updates the contemporary concerns and I think there is a reason to do that. So Bond would kind of echo action movie trends and the, and you'll see that it kind of leads the way sometimes, in effect sometimes it's trailing behind other types of movies. For a little while there it was very Bourne like. Right. I hope that it's gonna be a bit more fun from here on out. But some You know, you can see why it updates contemporary concerns. We can have, Bond's always been about gadgets, for example. And in the early films that meant he have a phone concealed in a briefcase, and that was revolutionary. And now he's got all kinds of other, you know, little tiny devices, and technology plays it that. If you look at something, like for example the reboot of RoboCop, which Was kinda much maligned and it wasn't perfect by any means but I think the most interesting thing- It was terrible. Well it wasn't perfect. It was terrible, go on. It was terrible. It was pretty terrible. No no we can agree it wasn't perfect. Okay, okay. Because it was terrible, very long way from perfect. But the most interesting thing about that was the fact that it did actually apply the kind the themes of that film to modern concerns. It was about Drones. It was about government surveillance that kind of thing. And I think that's kind of interesting when there's a reason to do that. But who needs a new Godzilla movie? Who needs a new version of Stephen King's It? Who needs a new Poltergeist? Who needs new versions of all these is different films. We know that reboots are favored by Hollywood, because, essentially they're safe, you know what you're getting, the audience knows what they're getting, and you sort of already know that you like it, so when you bring out a new Spiderman with Garfield, not the cat, the actor. [LAUGH] That won't be a bold they are looking for a new one. They are looking for a new Spiderman. He'd be like web slinging lasagna. Yeah but he doesn't do any crime fighting on Mondays. [LAUGH] Yeah. So what, they were, they were a safe bet for Hollywood and I think actually if you look at some of the most exciting directors who are making movies that kind of appeal to, to geek culture. Mm-hm. Actually, reboots are a fantastic opportunity for them. Because Christopher Nolan, you know, Inception I believe something that he wanted to do for a long time, but he, it was such a big budget idea. Mm-hm. It was until his. Successfully reboosted Batman, that he was sort of trusted with the, with the cast to do that. Or if you look at J. J. Abrams who reboosted Star Trek and then he made like Super 8 which is a, a sweet film. The I don't rate J. J. Abrams personally but there ya go. But I mean, that's, that's a debate for another day. Hm, hm. All I, all I like I mean I know that Aveneger's isn't, isn't Strictly a reboot, but kind of along that theme, you get like a, you get like a safe Hollywood option. And now Joss Whedon's leaving them, he's gonna go do his own thing. So why- Joss Whedon hasn't done anything for years because he's tied up in a franchise. It's like Peter Jackson hasn't- has barely done anything for 20 years now because he's been doing hobbit movies. Yeah, but, but I think he really likes it. I mean, no one, no one- Well, I bet someone does [LAUGH] I think the perfect example for me of the difference between an original film and, original IP, as they call it, and a Intellectual property? Intellectual property. And a reboot, is, the, the, the kind of, the closeness of Godzilla and Pacific Rim. Like I'm sure someone would have said to Guillermo del Toro Would you go and make a Godzilla movie. And he said. He went and made a movie that was like Godzilla, but just way more crazy and out there. And the Godzilla. And not that good. It's so much better than Godzilla. The Godzilla movie is just a Godzilla movie. It's like, you know exactly what's gonna happen in that movie but the effects are a bit more advanced. I'm sure I'm right about this Godzilla [UNKNOWN] [CROSSTALK] They're not even better Studio effects in the new Godzilla movie than the old ones. There's just more CGI. They don't look better. They don't feel scary. I'm, I, I, I'm much more fond of the effects of the old original movies, much more compelling than I do the, the kind of the glossy, CGI sheen. They fight for a bit, and then the camera cuts away to Aaron Taylor-Johnson hitchhiking. They fight for, they fight for exactly the right amount of time. I disagree. If they were fighting for any longer, it, all the fighting would Cease to be impactful and amazing, which it was. We, well, again, stop, like, if, if, if you have, if you are a director and you want to sort of, like, take on, take on a project like that, and if you want to try and breath new life into something. Or like experiment with your own ideas. 'Cause all of these reboots like They do have like a little bit like almost some of them are rubbish. They all they all are different. All of them. [LAUGH] They're you know they usually have like a little creative stamp. Or like they go in a different direction to the to the sort of original And sometimes, like with Transformers, that turns out to be just horrible. Yes. But, you know, like it is a creative direction. And I think, what's wrong with getting more eyeballs on the thing that you're trying to make by tying it to something that people You know, love and warmly remember. Because I think it's, I think it's, I think it's lazy, it's it's conservative, and it's it's, it's kind of, it, it's just sort of, it's, it's not giving the benefit of the doubt to the audience, I think. Alright. Well, we want to know what you guys think about reboots, are you okay with them? Or do you think that they are doing harm? Let us know. I'm Luke Westaway, he is Rich Trenholm. Thanks for watching.