Car Tech Live 226: How carmakers should respond to new MPG regulations
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Car Tech Live 226: How carmakers should respond to new MPG regulations

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Lawmakers to get real close to a new MPG number we'll -- what you want most in the connected car. Also take a look at last -- up -- -- actually both sleeves and what an electric sports gonna sound. That more on cnet's car tech live hello everybody welcome to -- I'm Brian Cooley ably assisted by Wayne Cunningham. Antuan -- And Stephen Beecham is at the controls we are so 226 it's the July 28 edition let's get right into it. So generally been talking a lot about the new federal MPG numbers -- for the last year they've been raising the analytical cafe. Corporate average fuel economy and now apparently we hear that as soon as tomorrow there could be a White House and lawmaker compromise on setting the new MPG target. Edison the debate that's been going on behind the scenes that while there's the budget debate -- it that don't -- This is a different debate -- hostess they're spending any time on this right now that deal with the money. They get to the MPG next week or the week after. By its interest in witness that cafe standards you know we've had them for years yeah and auto makers have never been big fans of them because. Adding their stand their idea is what the market decide let people buy the cars. You know with the miles a gallon they want -- and they say that that will drive MPG demand up. Yeah -- it's a good argument but. I don't know. Yes but it doesn't work it's quite BS with Leo we see right even now we've been seeing how people are going back to larger cars already. Equally slight drop in fuel prices any slight improvement in the economy let me show you we have on screen you're you're watching -- video version here is the formula. For -- opera how they calculate cafe for a car company's fleet it's not just take all the fuel economy is an average of it's like real man that's quantum -- guessing that it happens -- I don't know that. Yet it math is that it's set up that militants -- disposal like it is a good I never ever saw that you know I get to algebra one I was done. So this complicated stuff isn't there are going about the new number that were expecting -- somewhere in the fifties. That's a big -- -- by 20/20 five by the way not overnight but they wanna raise the standard from 27 team in the current number expires. The next jump from mandatory 25 to get it to something around 56. That's a common number and number I've seen is that 54 point five that would talking now look at -- they've settled on that inserted via agreed upon number. You know the best thing about these numbers is pushing these higher standards is that it does cause auto makers to innovate and yeah -- -- new fuel saving technology right now we're about 27. So this is a double. Even at the number that we're hearing now the 54 in the next. We'll talk about -- -- five elevenths and fourteen years but that's not long by car and that's like three year for generations of the average car has to get to this dramatically new number. And they've been pushing out one thing that I'm not. That I think is is problematic and this is that you push they've been pushing this idea of having a certain. Increase every year via and the problem that is auto makers don't release new models every year right. And so so you know a single model may have a four year lifespan. -- -- -- and increase the -- miles per gallon in that one model of course we have a lot of models and degrees overall. Fleet average and that formula we saw is -- that's not complicated enough the new MPG -- you'll have something I think it's in -- now but they're really -- article footprint calculation. And so the cars I think it's the weight. Times its dimensions gives it a footprint and every car has to -- a different target within its class but all those classes together through that calculation. Has to come to the overall -- a number of 54 whatever. They have to haven't heard apartments who do this math at these -- front. Like one to calculate. What it looked like an eight mile city it's an old -- community and content but he's got a great little program in -- in 300 lines right he's doing it. The course Europe is also pushing pretty high standards as well -- and I much I don't think these are exactly in -- but it is. I think they're cohesive enough that data makers and say well yeah we gotta do this in Europe anyways so we're doing it in the US that's -- thing in the Europeans push emission controls harder than we do Andy's -- to -- apparently -- on that and you know a lot of times the improvements you make on one improve the other. Because the emissions come from burning more fuel. To put -- -- simply. So they kind of go the same direction I do remember over the years since cafe which -- -- dates back to the first fuel crisis for the second one in the seventies. The auto makers have repeatedly said this will kill the industry every time they raise new standards every time they say we can't do it or. We're gonna have to add apps 3040% to the price -- caller. Which has never been the case so they've got a little bit of a cry wolf heritage I -- DF in you also understand that you know every time we do a story about fuel economy. We get like ten comments and fifteen emails from people saying like my 87 CRX. It's 56 miles per gallon and it looks like we're seeing a good one of those H apps yet so I mean is downhill -- of them -- -- of the the auto makers have actually been duped I guess technically you know and adding these data have a lot of different factors they want and and the safety of the vehicles as a vehicle -- -- creature comforts. In addition to fuel economy and -- -- yes I mean if you really think about it cars and gotten heavier. But they're really get particularly more efficient that's his story decades you know -- -- about time you know you really start pushing in that direction and. That's the key story cars have gotten so much faster you and so much heavier which is an amazing thing to do at the same time. Mean there is no car today we ever see it's below below 3000 pounds -- -- now. I don't like and even that noticeable or -- over 3000 yes I'm very you know -- little car what is to come away. Miata is probably around the high 2000 would you -- 700 -- -- that's that's the smallest -- cars out. So cars -- got really big used to be in the on the oldies He would set -- kids in when driver training you're driving a one ton piece so it's not of danger. I wish there are tons of danger now. 4000 pounds is pretty average I think and they really fast cars do zero to sixty and and we -- -- -- -- -- 69 we fall over dead and I think that drum -- you can't buy corridors into -- 120 miles per hour now right I mean that you can buy the Nissan Versa sixty current American and -- 220 He puts it and about the zero to sixty on that as well under ten. -- properly so there is what's amazing is over and how fast an SD cards have gotten but at the sacrifice if you look. That's what they didn't work you have to turn. One variable -- has to be -- to go down -- that someone has been down or flat while it may be economy bettering cars meetings are 1620 seconds and weighing 3000. But as as that is one of an example one of the technologies it's coming up to you improved fuel economy this is great stuff I'm really excited about some of the stuff is that. -- fuel shut off board is doing this and GM's hard and do this in the buicks Villa where if you or. I driver along in -- to put off the accelerator new custom item freeway or something like that. There's no fuel going to the cylinders at that point. To complete -- right candidates -- the heart from the engine to keep on spinning the engine so you don't have any problem re starting in -- still generating electricity so motor still moving. Opened the valves to get rid of that compression -- drag -- open the -- and and -- unite freewheeling. And he's in any fuel as opposed like -- unit you know 1000 and there's also -- so. Under the activation technologies that we've seen in -- some of the MOR engines. Imagery coming into India where you -- eight cylinders -- -- at 500 so much horse -- but you don't need that. And reacted driveway humid under sixty -- four -- too if I need it is really -- -- most cars a -- on a -- -- letting most of them will drop down to four -- is all I've -- -- goes down before I guess technically. -- shouldn't go Europeans in -- -- your weird yet. But the idea that we can -- just do these things in a combustion engine and get to these numbers is why this -- thing I think is doable. And I think I think on the came out today saying yeah we're rumble with a mid fifties justice ticket everyone -- -- important and yelling I'm surprised if we start because you know every year. Numbers have to get bigger. You know cars have to get bigger that you need more interior space you need more wheelbase you need more power users you know whatever advertises smaller than last year and I mean we've started to -- Our auto makers doing that with their displacement when they say instead of in the you got enough horsepower so we're gonna drop down from 12210. For the next generation of -- for -- Apple. Because. People are gonna stop caring about -- sixty -- people can tell you existing. And it's and it doesn't matter you're -- -- use all getting onto the freeway and then get on the freeway. That's what -- ever closer to sixty her music going 37 to 52 or something weird like that that's a real world thing -- meadows is an index but the thing about that is at some point. We see it already auto makers will stop pushing the numbers us again C makers to stop advertising horsepower numbers and yeah displacement they just say it does feel the support on yet we -- facilities at Omaha carts I gotta imagine Nissan has is laughing at -- whole argument though because. With the at least 99 miles per gallon equivalent. They -- -- probably are like huge -- of fifties. You guys like cancer at the fifty's party double that the -- and it is also the same company makes via ethics it yet it's at a gas supply and points to -- -- you know. And or -- dvd got to sell a lot of verses to cataract. But it can have their gas odd as long as they have their units assailant electric switch to raise their average in an organ stops filling those armada of either that or -- Also known as the big -- states is at the new armada the infinity armada is beat everything -- there's also be infinity Q what we all are also an -- when we all gas at the same time we -- and I was Detroit a year ago when it came out at the last from both -- -- -- -- like it's fudging the whale. It's Galilee faced a big fat button on it yet that may be that the QX which negatives is -- -- -- -- plus 200 pounds. -- -- bumpers and it'll leather and sound deadening and. Subwoofer and blogging. Our folks when you hear about connected car a communal lot of things we told you about lot of connected cars -- -- and saudis and BMW's lately that have the Internet built in. In their own Internet wireless as well being able to -- to your phone like most cars but what you want that connected me to do is the connected technologies only of interest in itself. And you -- tech savvy people most carmakers -- gets great what does it do. Survey came out this week from ABI research they -- to 15100 folks in the US UK France Germany Japan and China when all around the -- that what do you want in connected -- if you. -- this concept we described you briefly. -- -- a surprising majority said they want connected now. Over streaming radio and over social media updates except in China. Where the majority want concierge service. Just because -- -- cars. Most will bear by their first car you have never had a car before -- it's all new to them but the majority are saying how are connected now. Which -- surprise considering that to me streaming radio is more. Get -- by most. I'm not surprised at all -- an -- no there it is awesome and but I mean it's kind of new the new technology people -- just starting to understand. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Boy if I spent the weekend or spend a lot of time playing around with -- connected GPS devices that have. Live traffic that gives you the idea -- on on surface roads and stuff like that and and to have. That because people think about a car they think about oil want to get in -- go from point to point B they don't necessarily think about what they're gonna be doing along the road. But that sort of being able to Google search places that aren't necessarily in the data that's cool places that pop up you know -- the new burger place that just popped up last week is -- gonna -- and infinity. I'm driving through -- hit the traffic. And it's it has always had -- -- traffic from you but then -- -- it's -- turn around him pollen -- willow was it was constantly looking for her like a new. Route and that's our president and the -- -- -- -- -- that -- hey you know if you pop off and on surface roads. You could probably get around most of this and I think. It's it's that I could think thirty minutes I don't think actually in defeating any of that Fidel is moving -- really made me feel better. But. You felt like -- -- -- got -- -- yeah we have live traffic now delivered differently you know kind of broadcast traffic through. FM transmitters and through satellite -- -- connected but it'll add that no one is seen before is like you say search. And navigate you which is really cool that's what we do realize we search for stuff and and click on them and get whatever we want to download a stream -- and we read. It's got him following through that behavior and sing at the same behavior use ever else you searched. You moved examine results and you click to act works in your car -- in a whole new way and navigation by. I love the than -- the Google search and a -- nab or in Toyota les in the being searched with a -- and -- system yeah. IB -- has three different systems of that I've used it in the Audi a seven and that Toyota and tune system and they have the mini connected system. It's great I mean this is summing that we should have for a walk for a long time in the fact that it's coming now -- the -- -- -- -- -- come on fast I think everybody's got -- start adding this and has its. It's it's perfect and people understand both components already understand GPS -- and understand search putting -- together requires little explanation to consumers they'll get in the showroom really quick. To me search has been broken until now to attempt to bring a sticky note to your -- -- -- -- search something on your phone and then manually type in the address which you've got in there is just broken. And the POI interfaces are all. Very different to you and some of them hand like one him was an Allah be the old idea you lyzard she -- couldn't do -- specific keyword search actually had to just find. Every restaurant nearby -- -- -- -- in Britain and they ended way to don't make sense yeah I mean -- for technically actually you know. Nanny in the restaurant I go to art when American restaurant yet. What does it think they are will mean it -- that there I don't know what it thinks are sometimes you know it -- in your images -- -- -- run so Chinese specialty why -- -- place. Exactly there was one -- -- the -- trying to find restaurants could not find them kept going level -- level it was under. It was under com -- At that and then under that it was under. Isn't this -- -- under restaurant's owner everything would technically a business in the PO line -- in -- commerce it was later that they just buried it. So you -- -- but all this we've seen it we we seem connected nav in the cars -- driven if you haven't. -- got a taste of this. Check out we have pending coverage of the mini like -- talks about with a mini connected -- but already you can check out our coverage of the BMW hybrid seven. And the Audi a seven those are two recent cars we've had him. That have connected Google powered nav with in car wireless and those -- over cars dot cnet.com. A village that -- gonna make electric cars sound like something that's the law now -- have to make a noise so that folks know that they're coming they creep up on you. The question is what should it sound like. Ford is apparently testing for. Sales. And they're doing kind of a little. Focus group like -- and FaceBook which I can consider it has technically constitutes until it's not that that's exactly. I don't think we have -- way to played these do it Steve podium where pull up -- audio from a clip. It's a clip there in the in the run down their. On the row -- DOS or a row thirteen -- of pupils some of these up we can listen to their poor -- one. And it that's there's that the person -- that tests sound eighty there's like ABCs and PD. Okay okay -- let's listen to being. The to a Ford thinks electric cars might sound like going forward lots of different samples but -- the so accomplishes Sargent -- it's definitely something -- -- that -- asking you for. -- -- That's -- that's. Violent surround them -- -- -- -- But to get yeah yeah that's okay I don't want the -- to change excellence and sport mode uses a different one that would that in normal. Or uses a Ferrari F one track yeah they things that makes a lot of sense to focus like that. Are we eating birds -- -- yet it -- -- cigarette lighter adapter. And you can only hear it in your card to your speakers and -- -- but if I could follows the rpm it yeah I don't know how it definitely -- Adobe DX. Now of the wanna cellblock strategic sense regardless -- those -- you know for like nineteen -- on the street corner yet but it's one of we have the virtual motor from Germany though I never install is -- to you if you wanna do it in the avail itself when it goes -- OBD into your stereo -- rpm and -- position. Followed that -- right that yeah but it's a huge it's this big is the size of a computer case 2000 dollar -- it was -- -- German companies make a German company makes -- not wanting to really goofy but they -- you -- -- hundred -- never returned and I'm sure they're going to be like you know -- and on the -- to get it back -- a random video. C -- -- put in the avail and it makes your car sound like one of twelve different -- you turn the knob and as far as gonna sell like one of -- -- -- cars. Plus the -- And here McLaren F one engine on top of the avail but moderate ones grinding coffee and the other -- -- on the track. Those are the four port. Announced that one thing about these sounds -- it actually when -- in the car my experience has been that you really don't hear them because they're. The for the outside -- the cars are pretty well -- and in the the president seekers are pointing outwards away from the card so. You know people are light and hasn't -- a lot of common thought it pulls about these things but -- you really get them inside the -- you don't get to enjoy most of the -- down -- -- -- -- does that anymore. -- think it's I mean maybe its just me say it seems. A little -- Well the -- space age sounding sound weird to me because if I'm walking along -- either. I don't of the cars coming up or I'm mile -- sensor really disabled -- is the for the most proper term and I don't know that a cars is sneaking up army. That's tell -- a car is composed -- -- -- with a boombox in -- Star Wars soundtrack is walking up behind you is only thanks contracts. At best yes it's simply that -- better -- -- a little easier development target and changing every parent needs a police siren. At eight. This on the celebrate yet when it you can read -- when you sneak up on the and -- just on the button. The cattle has got some new cars coming let's check up -- -- a Cadillac -- TS you've never seen this one before. This would beat -- -- -- -- TS -- in the -- Series eight classic cards bigger -- -- That C segment looks like yet I think an analyst or get updates and it's a BMW three competitor these needed a letter that was Lucy. And don't wanna name -- you -- TF played toss off that you have a BLS in Europe. The idea this is nothing new alpha platform which I think is what and I think -- -- is just a temporary name -- -- -- -- the -- aren't so here it is is looking very much like a I know we describe -- are folks that aren't much in the video Sebring. Outlook and the -- and leaned into the Mike to say. It's the branding as -- I I and I noticed called 200 now yeah that's right. 201. Yet units illustrates some of the good argument that look and I don't know your rights adamantly I am not a big -- look here He deleted it doesn't look some would stimulate -- there's a -- section in the middle. This illustrates the reach out and now comes in illustrator a look at and to -- the middle if you put your hand over the front and it looks like every other car on the every -- -- -- -- accord but the busses and -- it's really -- in the -- their -- -- but this -- too much -- look at that even -- this is to -- cadillacs. Its new small -- below deceit yes actually which is right now -- A small scar. It's CTS is kind of like in between the three series in a five series to me when I see it in person at least -- kind of this size wise it's closer to -- by a little bigger right there are so that's gonna be that -- -- is also an XTS -- wagon which you don't have a prime source -- and -- -- have a picture -- this wouldn't it be cool. This is gonna be replacing something is that right it's replacing the DTS and the yet ST is ETS is the one that was the last traditional candy right yeah well and they ST a student at the two big ones right now and dazzling to get rid of both of those and by summit next yes well. Which is -- use this. Hybrid. A warm okay that's a system which they are of course -- they're leaning on hybrids and Buick lately they're giving the hybrid Jones. And this will be a rear wheel drive potential platform going forward to take on S class than seven series is another option I'd guess would be another separate product line. Which they've yet to approve. So there -- yet to hit the really high end and say we're gonna go after seven series and -- class. That's the place for Cadillac is is still vacant emotional for that flight effort and one -- suggests that really. I mean every every luxury -- should have a flagship vehicle and really for Cadillac -- kind of in the escalated. Yeah that's their big overwrought. Yet this is our best that we do and as an SUV but it's -- -- all you know. And I think it's interesting how old lake large vehicles like that you don't we'll see a lot of those in the -- -- Yeah I think when I lived in Georgia I saw a lot more escalates. And now I don't see any of them. So much so that when I do see them like well if they'll still make that -- simply everything and -- not. It's not a -- car on the West Coast I don't see many in LAS. I think a couple of in LA and and in -- lawyer and a silverlight limo services which you see all over now I -- a couple of network you know. Color shift key when. I -- a place yeah and LA's LA LA is one big styling boutique for cars. Others will be something far less ostentatious a new concept of the the constant it's the real new CR CRV right. This is gonna be the Orange County auto show that giant paragon of Automotive News and are a lot of calling it a concept why I don't think they are right -- they are they are you know the Honda is based off concepts that are -- their -- Two into the -- These vary from and I'd say we're gonna and smoke and -- right exactly what happened silicon that means it would anytime -- have door handles and -- and not a right and it's got production mirrors door handles lug nuts instead of senator locks. And it's got a regular ride -- yet it's not gonna look much different than this when it comes out as it's like that when He called originally it can be black got to meet face on its gonna -- look at -- but for all cars are doing now that that bad ass look. So this'll be the new CRB crossovers that is gonna show of the orient Orange County Durham and Orange County LA audience to do to see this first there also updating the ridgeline in the pilot with similar grille. Other analysts originally to me is the -- you techniques to you -- -- it didn't really. Yeah but they pulled the plug on it I mean we'll have long as they make the pilot they're gonna keep me in the riesling at the same -- -- now with such different sheep -- This a serious -- and I gotta come in Lebanon and this seems it's -- -- -- steeply on front on the front. -- now -- into it looks like can you cut it this -- bit of plastic dead silver in it yet I gonna do any real protection and also looks a bulky and looks like they're really on -- -- obviously they could be a seven passenger. It looks bigger than the outgoing one right. Yeah I mean the -- -- was printed small and also. Built small -- temple and again this here via always felt like I was just an acidic and -- -- a couple of inches yet. So a little bit more headroom little more storage space to help differentiate the two models but yeah -- your music -- has been getting bigger and bigger too like the for -- -- -- or tiny. -- really any deal thing a little with a little rear axles about the size and -- listening -- behind one. Haseltine -- and I swear they're about the size of my finger on another strong -- but it's like wow. But it'll immediately Bolivia independent rear suspension so that's actually a -- -- There's nothing to connect and the wheels but the -- -- -- that's all those just hang it on that now has all the progress they don't need too -- you're back to that given all wheel drive and I don't think. You can get CRV -- yeah it's those rear Shas that are so fine it's like are you kidding I went on demand I had RC cars that have stronger up which -- -- -- I don't think you can get more than twenty therapy to send power to the back axle out of -- 130 horsepower -- a -- you. As -- -- arriving 90% of riding mower bag it's out there and active -- Let's take a look at this is the one of those stories where you know yes. -- sewer line yes. Franco was still dead think is still coming out of bankruptcy. Once again I -- this happened twice already on -- And has given that -- move on most of electric -- -- an equivalent of its investors Russian businessman and is coming out of bankruptcy again Russian investor rights is it just went on -- -- -- -- -- Right that is like well I didn't even write a check the equipment -- just let it David Card. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- There's only like 3000 of them so think which makes the goofy is cars in the world in the electric class is still trying to become something it's still based in Norway and the Russian -- bonnet and it and leave it -- that. Let's see we've -- diesel from -- on the way. This this is confirmed now yeah should be actually confirm this. And yes of the current. A lot of people are fans of diesel here when they hear about the mileage and all Latin course work -- had them forever you know and day episode -- said they confirm that day in 2013 they'll bring -- -- -- on the -- here cats that could be a 2014 depending on -- doubt it exactly and that's it's got a long time out may need to do some work on -- -- -- the M. At the European. Diesel. -- has yet to returns to leader. So that's that's a pretty big engine that's a pretty substantial and -- -- -- yet -- a -- to a two liter Turbo diesel sold -- a lock on on the yeah because they actually -- us all the -- that they one point four liter Turbo gas engine here. Now. Now looking at the ship the UK site just to see -- weakened its exact same looking cars don't change it really at all it's a slightly bigger license -- day I guess. To try and see how many of their cars may offer -- I would imagine it's so it's a number of models because they're so common there aren't. The -- Tivo that's unique name for them currently and it wouldn't normally go to narrow that I've seen netted audition before and yet I'm not here yet and -- might be coming here. So we have the first shabby. Car with a diesel in this -- is that correct. Yeah Agassi don't -- the trucks yet that the trucks out this'll just be their first car so we don't know anything about his engine that we haven't experienced it. Anything else that they sell in this country. Now I'm gonna be a truck -- it's far too small net and that I would certainly expect them they're gonna have to do some work on the emissions to get the -- here. Because our regulations don't know allow the same amount of soot and particulate matter in related news yes it Europeans while they -- all the latest three stage robbery in the exhaust may be urea injection. Yes you know with that small and onion they should be able to get away without doing the whole -- -- cleaning system. You know -- managed to do it says -- register that the TI's now. And that's TV in Audi Volkswagen lot of cars -- are -- -- that's coming on that a couple years away and finally into the new cars. The first -- -- karma has been delivered but there's an asterisk on and it's kind of -- -- kind of idea for one of their backers says they're not on the market yet. It's the -- -- karma. Electric vehicle this is a range extender isn't. Or is it just -- up its cinema series. And so electric motors that run the rear wheels at least to some last -- looked at the architecture of this -- And the net range extender they have a gas engine generating electricity for that to and for the motors that run the wheels so the -- -- -- motor ready to the rear wheels and this is -- basically like -- -- -- Yet -- of the single architecture is a volt but of course looks a little. -- -- on a charge it does look at as the gonna stash your -- it's like yeah it's like a barber that you -- back in the old days. This. The sudden. Interesting design choice there what -- -- millions of music -- -- -- with it looks like if you ever heard of a car called the I think -- the a -- routine now. Look if -- -- AKA everything okay any MO RE okay cool I'd seen that that in order TO. Our future yeah that's a Japanese. -- have -- that actually in an auto -- before. And -- its its some Japanese maker of the disease specialty vehicles it's a quarter include super car looks a lot like the karma list powerful and an effects you can. It's it's that's one problem that the state than gain with it equipment become a book handling your things going on aren't yet this that He is diamond shaped in let's switcher very odd for -- -- break cooling Reid put break cooling. -- -- Panel like the -- wasn't such a must see looking should it include its cool -- -- those kind of black almost like billet. Panels and -- it's a nice you know overly tough look the president a -- -- Roddy with -- collective. -- -- -- -- -- -- con artist of the folks haven't -- like -- miles are ready GT with a lot more you know details in the -- -- a completely different power train but this rhetoric -- or the dude who comes from BMW right. I -- other other companies that would mean in Southern California and added to work on this project yeah that's he's got serious cred in the business a lot of folks in the auto industry who are tend to be a jaded bunch -- the big carmakers -- -- -- -- -- all the startups even Tesla. The stake is those are car folks behind that company for the most part but they look at this one and have always had a certain I detected a certain respects surfaced that most thought yeah. Yeah -- to scar there will see little laugh at it as much as they do was all the other little companies that are coming out these days so what they've had an an ad campaign -- -- today. -- for the coming out some of their -- banners and stuff that we're a little. Sleazy says they -- action -- and they have this woman -- -- -- through the paths through the driver's side window so her. -- Perrier is sort of you know up in the air and the problems. At the palazzo is awful but they're really -- approach way to budget brought that up. And if you wanna join us in our outrage pleased that -- emails a week and you know gather those together it's on the movement of Cisco all come down -- -- their ad agency personally. Just like to make sure I'm gonna be you are right there at the admission initial creative of that ad campaign. Of ethnic. Anyways this is your head that they've they've given a fully running copy to Ray -- who's one of their big VC backers of former number to -- -- the same railing and I'm thinking. So anyway missile tech site no but he's got one soldier Bay Area Silicon Valley person you might seem tooling around -- it don't tell your friends are for sale but. -- got one. And this is part of that announcement they're getting very close to production. Disc -- by the way did they ousted the Aston DB nine and Z eight -- beamed up right not many 5000 dollars to you for the Oscar once it comes. Well -- -- same prices the was adequate to we just had the GTR in for 95 felt faster -- GTS downstairs is over the -- handwritten. On it. Way -- Went on a 100000 cars and embarrassment of riches. Senate where you that's a yeah I. Yet as I saw an editor might well -- brands they drive out of here in my 2500 dollar country -- now. Which is across from the guy who's gonna revenues and -- right now -- and that's. Appropriate content so we're -- -- folks those there are stories this week. We're taking a quick brief hiatus -- on the road segments that were gearing up for two of them. Next week -- a doubleheader for you of the Porsche Carrera GTS. Which is kind of the hottest of the non turn those that doesn't cost a quarter million dollars. Investment qualified. You can get a faster non -- but you -- -- -- GT is it is ED three. Is a non -- GT three is the the faster -- yet the four leaders like six or. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- It is he's doing a -- are. And there were also the BMW one series -- we're gonna have that for you next week as well that is eight -- is that music group okay which is only in the one comes in the streets of it is okay so we have a one M -- coming in are in right now have four in the OTR double -- next week -- -- -- -- -- And that in his -- that one in his. That butterscotch candy and -- orange. Apartment -- It doesn't grow on me but evidently the -- that they'd be debuted the -- and I think. I think if they want -- to believe the only colors so there. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- That's those -- of their best. Let's do quick rundown of what's in the CNET car -- -- of the events and we have a fresh review up on the -- GTS. And the one -- them is gonna be coming soon -- were also getting in a Mini Cooper club -- John Cooper works. We -- the full tech -- that's why we were talking about the the mini connected -- Which if you following on Twitter which you should you've got some interesting tweets from him. Couple days ago that sounded very stiff and robotic -- -- it plays seven degrees Fahrenheit and I'm in the mini it's six degrees Fahrenheit and I'm in the committee I will arrive at this location and seventeen minutes in the many. I'm doing 89 miles an hour on skyline in the -- does have a filter that kept you from saying that but you posted you were -- like eighty miles -- what's wrong with that app. So we've got back coming up as well lot of cool card and then after we get the Mercedes-Benz CLS 550. And we finally come off our high horse gets stuck with a must. It's a book -- for one I'm really excited about you always are. -- likely -- you have devised a cool I like it it was a cool little people I do like it as the I would take that and I would work that car over need to really cool ride might actually has -- -- should -- are illustrative real life Internet there'll of this data embassy. He car version of the month to five with them suspension wheels and a really nice paint job they tried on an old Carson's. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- that would be cool eighties you probably -- -- -- -- and -- the thing is that moderate Republicans and moderate and -- -- -- -- and that's our lineup coming up that's car tech live for this week you know how to reach us first of all the site for all the show notes and -- back shows and if you -- -- you know get the feeds and all that stuff it's a car tech. Dot cnet.com. Our main sites -- Arctic is cars dot cnet.com -- -- by the way we -- check out our coverage of the BMW seven the Audi a seven we talked about with connected now we have -- talk about that today email us your comments -- questions a car tech at cnet.com we can voicemail plus 866401. CNET 8664012638. -- -- -- with enough already you can follow us on Twitter I'm Brian -- -- -- NC double -- Wayne is Wayne -- underscore SF. There is. And and what does it do any anti GOO still recovering from comic con about as old Twitter and -- and doing NT -- -- -- -- -- still recovering from. On quality and interest in. Account -- -- -- outlook not good it's very right that wouldn't do it how long that Twitter handle between. And under for -- picture so I thought -- probably at its heart but that's it for Arctic life thanks a -- simulator and don't forget to catch roadside assistance.

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