The last word before Apple's iPhone event (Apple Byte Extra Crunchy, Ep. 99)
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My name is Steven Beach, and you're walking the Apple Byte Extra Country Podcast, with your host, Mr. Brian Tom.
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Welcome to the show everybody it is episode 99 of the apple bite extra crunchy or, Audio podcasts where we just expand and just dig deep into the topics that are going on this week.
This is really the last word that we will have before the keynote that happens on September 12.
That is Tuesday.
That will be going down at 10 am Pacific Time but again if you guys follow us on CNET Live, we have like We kinda treat it like Super Bowl action, we do a pre-show, we take your calls.
We then have the keynote, and then we do a post-show.
So come and hang out with us, it's gonna be really hype.
But for this show here, well this is all about you all.
We have to apologize, because Beach.
Like our voice mails.
Sometimes it just get full, and we forget to empty it.
There's no notification that our voicemail is full.
And I just kind of figured it out when I noticed there's not many voice mails.
So I went and cleared them all out.
So we're good to go again.
So call us at 1-800.
Wait what's the number?
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You have been doing this 99 episodes and I've said every time except that time and you got it wrong.
I got it right, baby.
It took me, I stumbled in the beginning but I got it.
But yeah, your name, where you're from, get your comments written inside.
So I think because we're ramping up right before the keynote.
I think you guys and gals you just call us about what you thought about the keynote, again 1-800-616-2638.
I'll tease that on my Twitter so you guys can all get on that.
But let's just jump into the show and I think that the news cycle is always interesting to me.
We have been talking on the show At least for the past two to three months because right, you're the people that love technology and want to get all the latest scoops and rumors.
We've really talked about that whole rumored of $1,000 price point a month ago.
We've talked about how there were potential delays On the iPhone 8, because of a manufacturing issues, whether it's removing the home button, trying to get that fingerprint sensor in it, not being able to, then moving in a different direction.
We talked about that, I think like two or three months ago.
Well, with this news cycle, right, all of a sudden you have mainstream newspapers.
Kinda of like, putting out those stories a week or two before the keynote.
And I always find it interesting because, this is stuff that the insiders and the people that care have been talking about for literally over the past few months.
But all of the sudden last week there was a headline, the iPhone may cost $1.000.
And everyone That is, you know, my friends that follow this stuff casually.
When my mom starts freaking out, then yeah that's the general consumer.
But they're like, "Is the iPhone gonna cost a thousand bucks?" People were freaking out about it.
Yeah, Deafcon 4 man.
And we're like yo, you're already paying Pretty close to that right now.
It's not gonna be much.
So the hot button issue this week was the iPhone delays and multiple outlets reported about this.
Wall Street Journal got the ball rolling, basically saying, hey there's been a glitch in the summer production that is creating a potential shortage And then you have people coming to me like, wait are they really going to be low on Iphones do I really need to preorder them.
Am I going to get one or not?
I'm like my gosh.
We know they might not have as many on launch but guess what, quite honestly they always had shortages.
No matter what Apple will never be able to meet the demand When an iPhone launches, right?
Yeah, it's funny, because Bonnie, our executive producer was asking me about this, last night, yesterday at work.
And like a month ago, you and me did a show, and the headline was, everything is on track, they're gonna meet there goals, production is on track.
But now it seems like that it's all shifted and you're saying there's a big production glitch like what was the production glitch?
But this is a production glitch that was reported like back in June of out there were having issues with the HomeBuy and then the OLED panel.
And then all of the sudden, literally the same as extra story with no new details Gets published, a week before the Keynote on the Wall Street Journal, and everyone's ittin bricks.
Right they're hitting bricks [LAUGH] if you know what I mean.
It's two or three years in a row, we've had the same problem, with the rose gold phone was never available, people went and they settled for another color that they didn't want.
I'm sorry Beats, I know that's why you didn't upgrade your phone because you don't got a rose gold phone.
I needed a rose gold.
I need that.
I like gold.
That's like what Goldfinger did.
I like gold.
But yeah, so you would think Apple would get their stuff together, maybe they're too busy building their Apple campus, I guess, to worry about iPhones being on time.
So then how about this after the Wall Street Journal put that out it started getting people all flustered.
Because quite honestly when our executive starts freaking out I'm like dude chill out its not a big deal.
Then tech crunch threw out a report maybe a day after that.
saying that the high end iPhone is expected to ship after standard models.
This was also rumored back in June that this could potentially happen, then they said they would be on track, who knows, we don't guess what no one knows exactly what's going on, my hunch.
is that Apple should have some at launch I think it would look silly to be a month delayed, it won't be the end of the world., Because guess what people have already been waiting so long for this iPhone.
This is quite honestly the most hyped iPhone we have seen I think since maybe the iPhone, maybe the iPhone six when they changed the form factor.
Six, six s seven, yeah.
But this is the most drastic change that they've ever done across the line.
We all know the rumors.
All of you guys and gals are in the know, so who knows exactly if this is going to delayed.
Another report from Street Insider said it actually isn't the OLED screen that might be delaying it.
It actually might be the actual Metal frame and working that piece effectively in combination with the design of the new phone.
This is a corner street insider.
So now right, we haven't heard these stories for literally maybe two months.
It's a week before the keynote.
And everyone is going apeshit.
We've gotta put the story out, and we've gotta get the people talking.
And again, I just find entering the new cycle of this is the stuff that we have all been talking for so long, so we will see what happens.
I think the other big story that I really enjoyed, and it came from [UNKNOWN], and it gave us some perspective of what's going on with the iPhone.
The IPhone is roughly, entry level, gonna cost $1000.
That's the rumor, at least the entry level OLED IPhone.
We did ask just last week, we were making the joke about my gosh you would have to have like ramen for Black fish for lunch for dinner.
Like Beech you found that tweet I can't remember who sent that to us.
What does it say?
He says it will cost roughly 2,160 cup of noodles for the prices of the next iPhone.
That's a lot of dinner.
So breakfast lunch and dinner for two years.
2160 Cup of Noodles.
That's what it was equivalent to.
That's kind of crazy.
I think though, I've been talking to people, and you and I have talked about this a lot, Beach.
But I had to sit down with some coworkers, about four of five of us were getting lunch.
And people were complaining about the fact that the iPhone might be a thousand dollars.
And I said okay, would you pay ten more dollars per month to have the newest iPhone.
So first question is are you guys planning on getting the new iPhone.
Yes, and then they're like but I don't like that it's a thousand bucks.
I'm like okay, Would you pay ten more dollars a month ten to fifteen more dollars knowing that you want this phone would you pay that?
And what do you think the answer was across the board?
Yeah, they are all like yeah, totally and I talk on my homie Ryan Bay he always say I shout him out so I will shout him out and I'm like.
Due, just don't drink too drinks amount.
Just dial down to alcohol, beverages amount and you're totally good, and he said to me "that's what it gets me from tipsy to drunk" [LAUGH] I need those drinks And so I think if you want the iPhone your gonna get it.
I put up a poll.
I forgot to send you the link Beach.
But I put up a poll on my twitter just asking people right now, right, would you do it.
Where you at let me look it up real quick.
So I basically asked, the [UNKNOWN] iPhone 8 X Edition or Pro, whatever you call it, is gonna cost around $1000.
Would you pay that $10 to $15 per month on your bill to have it?
Right now, I just sent it out an hour ago or so.
651 votes 64% said yes no hesitation.
36% said, no way Jose.
No way Jose.
I just voted no way Jose.
I think you're a yes way.
I think you're a yes a bay.
We'll see, we'll see when it comes out.
It really depends.
It really depends on what the bells and whistles.
It really depends on the overall function and the form of the phone.
If it's really cool, probably gonna go for it.
I might wait a few months.
I'm not gonna go right away.
But it really depends on a lot.
They're gonna have to really sell me.
Tim Cook, you're gonna have to put on a show.
Okay now, ladies and gentleman as of the recording of this show, 11:16 AM with 11 seconds,
I'd like it to timestamp that Stephen [UNKNOWN].
We're gonna re-record that specific sound by you just had and play it next week and we will see if you're really if you're bad.
Because I know you gonna go bunkers
[LAUGH] I could have gone bunkers before.
Could happen I think this key note is gonna be bonkers, I really do.
And yes it's features we all know have been on other phones but it's all about right now we know Galaxy, Samsungs Notes, LGs, they have so many features but it's gonna be execution and quite honestly what also always funny about new iPhones and this is gonna become sad.
I think Android people got mad about this And there's a little jealousy between both sides for different reasons, but look when Apple puts out a phone with little to know Bizzle guess and no home screen?
Mainstream a consumer is going to think that's a coolest thing they've ever seen.
Like they're going to be on the title that you're gonna hear chatter.
When you're getting coffee or something and you're gonna probably hear two people say my gosh Apple released a phone that doesn't have any buttons on it.
And there's gonna be eye rolls from the Android people, there's gonna be eye rolls from the techie but This is what happened, this is the power that they have that can never be underestimated.
It happens all the time, you know what I mean?
There's so many Android phones I'll see and I'll be like, that looks pretty cool.
And I have no idea what it is, cuz there's just so many of them and they're just kinda fly under the radar.
But an Apple phone, It's gonna big difference you know, it's in front of everyone's face.
So, you know I'm not there is a lot of the, I'll just call them the general consumer that is easily going to freak out about this phone.
I'm freaking out because I'm excited, I'm not a general consumer for the record.
So, let me just jump into the story that I taught was really cool talking about why.
The iPhone 8 might actually be $1000 or roughly in that ball pack.
KGI security analyst Much Chigwell always has a lot of different scoops.
You sign out the OLED iPhone supply, guess who's producing the OLED panels for Apple?
But in addition to that, OLED panels overall There is not a lot of companies that can mass produce them at the quality level that Apple wants for their phones.
And so what ends up happening basically, [UNKNOWN] said it, the process of the OLED panels that Apple is getting is pretty much wholly controlled by Samsung and When you only have one source that you're going to and one carrier and one distributor that is giving you the apart.
They're not going to give you a break or a deal on that pricing.
He reports that the OLED panel for the Apple's new iPhone 8 is roughly.
$120 to $130 per panel purely for the part.
That's before Apple gets their 30, 40% margin, whatever they do on their phones.
But if you compare that to the 5.5 inch iPhone 7s, the LCD module or the screen was $45 to $55.
So right there,
You're talking about basically a $75 difference before Apple gets their profit margins up.
Easily pushing that screen up around.
Let's say roughly 100, $110 to add on to the cost of the phone.
Then if we talk about this new 3D scanning facial recognition.
Camera sensor, infra red, again we don't know exactly what is how many components are part of this.
But they're clearly putting in a new 3D sensing scanner into the phone on the front place as well.
If you just add those two components together by themselves, that's probably easy right there at least $150 bump Before, you just talked about the fact that this is all new design, X Y and Z stuff.
The fact that the phone is roughly around $1,000.
$800 is roughly what an entry level 32 gig iPhone 7 seven plus, after taxes around seven seventy to eight hundred dollars, So if you just add these new components, the screen and new three d scanning sensor, that's about a three hundred dollar boost, it makes sense why this phone is going to be around a thousand bucks.
So are you thinking like the larger capacity phones like the 256 are gonna be $1000.
We're talking about the entry level iPhone, OLED [INAUDIBLE].
Ouch they're gonna really have to sell me on the screen.
And be like, I can already hear Tim Cook.
This is the greatest Apple screen we've ever made.
It is absolutely stunning.
[LAUGH] Look at it.
Look at it, it's beautiful and guess what.
I'm gonna be like damn, that is beautiful.
That is beautiful.
All right, Barclay's actually proposed kind of this cool idea of maybe how you could subsidize this phone.
I don't think it makes
Makes things better but maybe psychologically better.
They suggested even with the rumors of this starting price point at $999 for an iPhone 8. What Apple could do to Maybe appease the fans is bundle a one year service of Apple music.
I'm so for that.
You would be down with that.
I know you'd be down with that.
I totally for that.
And the iCloud bundle they also mentioned.
If they give us a terabyte, or even 500 gigs of an iCloud bundle, I'm in.
That's what I'm saying dude.
You know what I'm saying.
And here's the other thing though when I think about this, do they even really need to do that?
Well it would immediately bring a ton of new users to Apple Music and their iCloud.
So it'd bring in a new crowd That would get into that ecosystem and be into it and be using it and then maybe get hooked on it.
So it makes sense.
I like the idea of bundling services with a hardware product.
I think that's super cool.
T-Mobile is kinda doing a similar thing with their phone service including Netflix and stuff like that.
That's very Like a year right.
That looks very appealing you know what I mean?
I just, I think it's a great idea.
Quite honestly I'm not gonna lie I just would love a chance to see every episode of Planet of the Apps.
Carpool karaoke that is what I've been waiting for
The opportunity to do such a thing.
Yes, and get every like, big album that's coming out, a week after it comes out, that's gonna be awesome.
[LAUGH] We're hating, we're hating, we're just having fun.
All right, as we continue to roll on, this is.
I found this to be interesting timing, because Wire just put out a really in depth article that I enjoyed about Siri and how it's evolved.
What's interesting about this is that Greg Jozwiak, one of I guess you could say Apple's core management team is that accurate enough to say, he's kind of part of the A team when it comes to Apple but he was made available for this article.
What happens is when I see that, when I instantly see Apple execs making themselves available for a story There's a motive behind it.
Like they are doing that on purpose because they want people to think about them in a certain way.
So Greg Joswiak, you see him on stage a lot when he's talking about products.
He's the Apple VP of Marketing.
He was made available for this article.
Now they wanted to talk about how [INAUDIBLE] has evolved, how it's more human like sounding.
And I will give them credit.
I'm running the IOS 11 developer beta on my iPad Pro.
You know how I always drop that in here at every show?
I always have to say iPad Pro.
So, it does have a more not that it makes a difference to me as much, but it definitely sounds more natural compared to the much more robotic Siri.
But there's a couple nuggets in this article that I found interesting.
One of them, is they were talking about okay how Siri has evolved, A great [INAUDIBLE] outright slammed the original Siri but not why you think.
Okay so I'm gonna just read an excerpt directly from this Wired story about Siri.
The title of the article is How Apple Finally Made Siri Sound More Human.
Here this is in the article.
Apple says it's not its fault.
This when people are complaining about how Siri has fallen behind from Amazon and Google.
When Siri first launched, another company provided the backend for voice recognition.
All signs point to Nuance as that company.
Though neither Apple nor Nuance ever confirmed a partnership.
Now Nuance is known for their Dragon dictation software back in the day.
Whoever it was, Apple blames them for Siri's early issues.
This is quote from Joswiak.
It was like running a race and you know somebody else was holding us back.
[UNKNOWN] said they had big plans for Siri.
This idea of an assistant you can talk to on your phone and have it do these things for you in a more easy way, but the tech just wasn't good enough.
You know, garbage in, garbage out.
That's pretty heavy man.
And you know what, I think that��s petty.
I think that is total bs, to slam a company that you partnered with to be the first with a voice assistant on your phone.
Your gonna blame them for it not evolving?
You chose them.
Yeah, when you��re reading that, and I��m hearing that
I just kept thinking about Apples culture, like their business culture is way different than a lot of other companies, they are hard core they are emailing each other at like midnight on Saturday, and stuff like that, and maybe this company wasn't into that.
24/7 work environment.
So it's hard to say who's to blame.
But I just feel like may Apple's culture was not in tune with this company.
What was the company called?
And there were also other rumors.
The company that See, the stories bounce around a little bit.
Because the company that also was rumored to be the godfather of Siri was the company that now has completely evolved to the Viv voice assistant, right?
What is Viv on?
Viv was demoed at tech [UNKNOWN] a couple years ago.
Viv was actually acquired by Samsung, and used in Bixie.
And unfortunately, it's not Being used to full potential but when Viv was demoed at tech crunch people can look up the video on YouTube.
It was ridiculous you can do things like order a pizza on the fly, add the ingredients you want, change them in a conversational tone.
It was literally like talking to someone about ordering a pizza.
And it understood the syntax, the subtleties of, take this, take that away.
And they showed how it worked in multiple different ways.
It basically is able to handle multiple queries in a single sentence.
That was actually rumored to be one of the godfathers of the story but you can't, you're Apple don't tell me you are so petty and you are.
It is pathetic to blame their fault and for them falling behind with Amazon and Google because they decided to partner with Nuance.
Now in the article Wozniak says okay a few years ago They decided to kind of start building it from the ground up, use more machine learning, bring in people from multiple languages and dialects, so that Siri could be smarter.
Siri now, according to them, recognizes roughly 95% of the language translation that comes in, There are some funny videos about Siri not being able to pick up accents.
But I think it's just wrong, six or seven years later, to crap on someone, when really, it was your mistake.
To not own up to it and just say we didn't do it good enough and we're also behind.
They're kind of...
They're kind of passing the buck a little bit.
But also, Like they marketed Siri.
Siri's like the most famous personal assistant out there.
Siri's like a household name pretty much, so it's funny that they're poopooing it now, but they've spent all this time and effort building it up and making it a household name.
It's just interesting.
That looks bad, you know?
I'm sure other companies will be excited to jump onboard and work with Apple, but at the same time, they're gonna be a little concerned that Apple might talk some S about them later, [CHUCKLES]
Yeah, so I thought that was an interesting point in the article.
The focus on the article was how Siri has become more human.
But here's another kinda fun excerpt I think this is probably the most entertaining one from the whole story.
Here's what it says, from the begging Wozniak says Apple wanted Siri to be a get **** done machine.
It drives him crazy that people compare virtual systems by asking trivia questions which always make Siri look bad.
He said, Joswiak said we didn't engineer this thing to be trivial pursuit.
[LAUGH] That's funny.
That's like the always the first thing people ask, is like stupid [INAUDIBLE] questions, yeah.
Guess what though, that's not why people don't like Siri.
They don't look at Siri as the best because it's not nearly as capable as Google or Amazon.
Like they don't have the developer support that Amazon does and they don't have the brains that Google does.
It is better from what it used to be.
I think the first four years of Siri I refuse to use it for voice dictation [INAUDIBLE] text messages because it was straight up doo doo.
It's a lot better now.
And so I do use it.
Yeah you're always gonna get an error here and there but it's significant better today than it was before, so I will give them credit for that.
So check out that article.
I think it's a fun one.
A friend of Siri.
The AirPods, [INAUDIBLE] will let you all know.
According to Apple store, the shipping time for AirPods is now around one to two weeks.>> Nice.>> No longer six, no longer four.
Even if you look right now, I think the order dates says, they'll deliver somewhere between September 22nd and September 29 AirPods, getting close to being in stock, like boom.
I need to let the people know, because everyone freaks out about that.
[LAUGH] Six weeks is a long time to wait man, it's a bummer, so-
It's not one and two, and again, I have to defend myself, for the record, people that say, he talks so much crap about the AirPods.
Everyone admits that they look goofy but I've told you they're a really, really, really good product.
I don't think they're great but they're really good.
They're really dang good so let's just squash that right now.
If I hear someone say that one more time, I'm gonna do the same thing I just did in every episode.
It's all good to hate something and then love it later.
It's all good.
We could take hot takes.
We could take hot takes.
What's the point?
What's wrong about taking a hot take?>> People's mind change [LAUGH] .>> They do.
Also if you want to type how people's mind change in the Apple, right, they have completely evolve into trying to find a Original content.
They continue to hire more Hollywood execs to try and somehow catchup or be on the same level as Netflix.
And you know, Amazon does have a little jump, but let's be honest, the defacto is right, Netflix, HBO.
That's where probably some of the best premium content is that you'll find.
According to an article in the Hollywood Reporter.
Apple is now joining the race for the rights to the James Bond franchise.
Which is really interesting.
So, here's kinda how it breaks down.
Warner Bros right now is the front contender.
What it is is, MGM is technically the owner of the rights.
But Sony for awhile, had the distribution rights, so what does that mean?
MGM owns like the characters the likeness in the story.
Sony can distribute movies with James Bond on it, Spector was the last one.
I don't know I though Spector was kind of like one of the weak, it wasn't my, I don't know, I think it would have been my least favorite of them all.
I don't know.
Did you see it?
I haven't seen Spector but the last few that they came out with are pretty awesome.
Daniel Craig rules.
I like Daniel Craig, but you can't top Sean Connery.
I'm more of a [CROSSTALK]
Roger, no Roger
Sorry, Moore, Moore.
Yeah I'm more of a Roger Moore dude.
Okay I'm just gonna-- I'm just gonna shut up cuz everyone that's listening is just like
Dude clearly ain't a Bond fan, if he's saying Sean Connery is the best one.
So they're just going for the rights to distribute.
They're not trying to own the franchise.
And we're not gonna see James Bond with an iPhone and ear pods and stuff in the next movie, right?
Well what it is is that, if they get this deal they could, much like Sony, put the movie in theaters.
They could be the company that puts
The next James Bond movie in theaters but also what this means and what they're looking to angle in towards because Amazon is also in the mix is getting the right to stream James Bond films on their service exclusively.>> Yeah.>> Also, to be able to be the first ones to stream the new movies that come out in the future.
So this is all about Right, content is key.
Getting the best stuff.
I don't know if people heard, it just like a quick footnote but remember how Disney is pulling out of Netflix to work on their own video service in I think 2019.
They did announce that they will also be pulling when their content is up with Netflix, all Star Wars and Marvel stuff as well.
That's a huge deal man.
That is big.
That's a lot of big contact.
I think what's interesting though is also, I've been saying that a lot because I think this week is really interesting and I should stop saying that, is that it didn't really affect Netflix because they have so much great original programming.
Yeah I mean not that I'm like a stock watcher it's was just that it was in the article but they said that the stock didn't even like drop three cents that day so it wasn't that Netflix on that announcement that also Marvel and Disney stuff would be pulled out.
It didn't really hurt them so I thought that's good for them.
But it also shows, everyone wants to do their own service, everyone wants to get their own content.
I think bond is a great thing.
The point for me is that, Apple was rumored to be working on original content and investing $1 billion in original content which is about one fifth or one sixth of what Netflix is doing.
I think that The bidding here for James Bond.
They said the property could be worth somewhere between 2 billion and 5 billion.
So this would be separate from the original content.
But Apple is sitting on 261 billion dollars of pure cash.
They really wanna give this thing a go and they really wanna make Make themselves a place to be the watch content.
They've got to drop more.
They've got to drop more than 1 billion on original content.
For sure, Netflix is doing 7 billion.
I think a year, 5% it's insane.
And it's working, it's working.
Yeah, you know all the best producers are going to Netflix like yeah I got an idea [LAUGH]
So,all right do you wanna hear my favorite story of the week?
Yes, I'd love the story.
All right, I'm just gonna read the headline, everyone, people might may or may not have heard of these.
This is, I don't know, I just loved this, from the New York Time.
Times the Boston Red Sox used Apple watches to steal signs from the Yankees.
[LAUGHTER] This is one of the games actually where this was happening.
It was in August.
I will say this officially, finally we found something
That the Apple Watch can do.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Don't, right we finally found some of the Apple Watch is useful for.
So this is, I'm gonna, New York Times did a really great in depth article.
It's kind of the bureau clip beat, so maybe you can follow along with me.
But it was a break down of how the Red Sox Used the Apple watch specifically to steal signs from the Yankees.
So you have to kind of also, it's another article, Beach.
Okay, I'll find it.
Yeah, so this is really cool and really amazing.
And you do have to understand baseball to a certain degree, but I'll explain the best way I can, okay, so.
First of all, communication between the pitcher and the catcher.
Step one, the catcher gives signs to the pitcher.
You normally see them waggling his fingers, one, two, three, pointing out to the side or what not.
Okay, the way that this works is that whenever you watch baseball, there is a center field camera.
And you can actually see the catcher doing the signals to the pitcher.
So what happen is Boston in a video room, let's say in the dug out or underground, is ends up being able to decode the signs.
How they do that?
They basically study the signs that the catcher gives.
The look to see what pitch Was used when a runner's on second base.
A lot of teams will code their signs and mix them up.
But what they end up doing is, in overtime, they can kinda figure out, Okay Which is the first ball, which is the current ball, which is the slider.
This helps timing for baseball, this is all about timing and seeing the ball.
It's a strike.
Then the third part is after they decode this and figure out what the signs mean, the video room Sends the cracked code to the dugout, the Apple watch.
So to a member of the training staff, this is what happened when the Yankees said they saw one of the members of the Red Sox in the dugout looking at his Apple watch.
So you could basically say something like okay.
This is a fastball, this is a slider, this is a curveball.
The video room has decoded this, they send it to the dugout.
Now what happens is that person in the dugout then disseminates that information to the players, and the whys [CROSSTALK]
He gets it to one of the base coaches, right?
Not even base coaches.
One of the players.
One of the players.
Yeah, so this is why this is important.
And this is why this is only effective when a runner's on second.
When a runner is on second base, not only can they see the sign, so they now are given this knowledge base of what pitches are what, the runner on second can also see the batter.
So the batter is then told by the runner who has learned the code.
The batter will then maybe give him a little nudge, maybe they stick out on like fastball coming.
The batter knows this and is looking fastballs.
So it's really intricate.
You need to have a second base runner to be able to decode this.
Once he's learned that and then tell the actual batter who is batting.
That's how they were able to do it.
Isn't that crazy though?
That is crazy.
That whole process so.
Look there was a guy on second there and he probably told him fastball's coming.
Bam out of the park.
[UNKNOWN] the green monster.
There was a guy on second for that hit too.
These are highlights from one of the games.
Was there a guy?
No there was no guy in second for that one, but that is amazing.
I thought it was like, I literally thought, when the batter was in the thing, he had like a camera or something.
I didn't know how it was going, but that's pretty intricate how they figured that out.
So people in the chat were like, I thought you can't have jewelry on the fields?
Guess what, the base runner doesn't have to be the one With the Apple watch it's the dugout, the person who was communicating with the video team in the dugout, gets the messages, gets the code, tells that to the players so the players then all, it's not like there's ten codes to learn.
It's literally like their one is a fast ball, their two is a curve ball, their three is a slider.
Once they figure out where in the Cadence they're giving the signals off that's how they figure it out, you don't need to do that.
And then what was funny is recently right after the story broke the Red Sox and I think the Blue Jays went into a game that lasted 19 innings, so clearly the watch was not part of their [LAUGH] of that game.
They're like no We're shutting you down, we're shutting you down.
We see this kinda stuff in football, too.
The Patriots were filming the other team during their practice and stuff.
So there's a lot of technology involved in all these sports, [LAUGH] and cheating and stuff.
And then here's another throwback that makes the story even better.
There's photo evidence here.
Tim Cook actually visited Fenway Park.
And there's pictures from the Red Sox Twitter account with Tim Cook hanging with the manager and the mascots on the field.
I thought it was so good.
I was like, This picture did not age very well, they need to caption that picture with Cook.
Dude, when I first saw this, I thought it was a meme, that someone made.
As a joke for the Red Sox story, this is hilarious, man.
Gonna give you guys all Apple Watches, you'll be champions again.
[LAUGH] So good.
All right, just a couple stories before we get to Actually, you know what?
I think let's just get the calls.
Let's just get to the calls.
All right, we had a lot of good calls.
And I apologize for our voice mail being full, but we emptied it.
And actually people did call us this morning even.
We still got a few in, we still got a few in.
Okay, here we go, caller number one.
Hi Brian, hi Beecham, it's Adam from Buffalo.
Beecham was talking about not wanting his phone to unlock too soon.
Well Apple will take care of you with face gestures.
Just imagine a smile, a wink or even a duck face to unlock your phone.
Duck face could match the selfie camera.
Take care, guys.
Happy approaching 100.
Take care, bye.
[UNKNOWN] coming up.
And yeah, I think it's because you want duck face to be the selfie.
That's a personal request, if I'm reading between the lines.
Yeah, that's wishful thinking for sure.
But yeah, that gesture, face gestures, phones do recognize those now.
[UNKNOWN] [CROSSTALK] AI recognize that really quickly now.
So it's possible.
But I also this video of a dude was unlocking Samsung phones that had face detect with just like someone's picture from Facebook.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You saw that?
Don't do that.
Don't do that Apple.
Yeah, please Apple.
Make sure that doesn't work for everybody.
Because that is a security breach.
The breach comes out.
Okay here we go, next call.
Do we know if this year, if the iPhone is gonna have the same chips across all devices?
I know that with 7 they used two different chips and so there were some differences between the phones that were on AT&T and those phones that were on Verizon.
Verizon had the popcorn chips, I think it was and the other version had the Intelligent.
So is there gonna be a difference this year?
Do we expect Apple to stick to using one chip or using two different ones again?
Thanks for the call.
This is in response to the modem chip that was used in the iPhone 7. There were two different ones, and the Qualcomm was the better performing one.
But then, There are reports that Apple basically throttled it down a little bit so that it would match the Intel chip that didn't perform as well.
And there is actually a lawsuit and legal battles going on between Apple and Qualcomm.
For other reasons, but also one of those aspects.
Qualcomm is like, dude you guys made our chip lower performing and look worse because you wanted to satisfy your overall customer base.
the latest reports for this new iPhone series, whether it's the upgrades, to the seven and the seven S, and the new Oled phone is that according to reports is that that they will all be using Intel based modems.
We will find out once the actual supply comes out.
I think that's a bummer, because we know that Qualcomm purely from their experience in the business, they have had better performing modems.
If it's an intel one we won't and only until we won't have anything to compare to inside an iPhone.
but I think that Will most people really care?
Are you not going to buy an iPhone because they only use the Intel chips?
No but it would be a bummer.
All reports though point to that.
It will only be an Intel model chip in the new phone.
So we'll just have to wait and see and find out.
That's the Intel jingle, right?
Okay, cool, we're going Intel, baby.
All right, next call.
Whether you like it or not.
Hey Brian, this is Jack.
Jack, what's up?
Hey Brian, hey Steven, this is Jack.
Just wanted to get your thoughts on if you think that Apple will Switch from using a regular USB and to a USB C N on the iPhone 8 and all feature like being charged with cables so it's, will provide a fast charge.
So this is an interesting call because it's also related to similar things I've experienced with the iPad Pro.
I pad pro.
So with the i Pad Pro right, it came with a USB cable.
Lightning to USB cable but not, but you had the option to buy a USBC for faster charging.
Apple could surprise me, but I'm assuming that Apple is gonna to do the same exact thing.
They're going to just have it bundled with a standard USB cable that goes into a charger.
The reason why is they can make more money by having people buy a lighting USBC cable, and then buy a USBC charger, Hold on, let me say it one more time, then.
Tell me when you're ready so we can cue this up.
Okay, hang on, it's gonna play.
Go ahead, say it right now.
Why yes, yes, my Nostradamus prediction is that Apple will not [INAUDIBLE].
[LAUGH] Premature, premature, sorry.
Come on, man.
This is like production on the fly.
It's not easy.
I don't think they will.
They make more money by not doing that.
There we go.
The moment passed.
I found all the buzz out loud sound effects everyday.
So don't be surprised if you're gonna hear a few of those.
Ok so we have one last phone call.
So, let's hear what they have to say.
What up guys?
This is Jmac from Brooklyn.
Love the show.
Just finished watching episode 98.
All I got to say is beach you're gonna be spending a lot of money for your new phone cause i'm doing the same thing.
If you recall I asked you guys help us purchase the new iPhone.
I'm definitely gonna get it unlocked.
And I just wanted to know Brian When should I start you know getting it right away to guarantee at least a shipment.
I figure it's gonna be shipping out in February regardless but I'd like to hear what you have to say.
Love this show guys, keep it easy and again sorry [UNKNOWN] but you're gonna spend a lot of money.
Catch you guys later, peace.
Im saving my bucks man.
I'm confused because he said February.
I was like what.
Well if you want in, I think this new iPhone, in general, I think people are gonna feel a lot of pain like they did with the freaking Super NES Classic cuz they're not grown ups, it's like some of these things are hard to get online
And you're not always gonna get them.
And I think we might, if I had to guess, I think we might, there's gonna be some people that are disappointed about not being able to get the new OLED iPhone on launch.
I think they're gonna have some available on launch.
We'll see how much inventory they actually get out, but the When people are complaining about the fact that their cart crashed verse a super NES classic and making an eight minute video about it, or people complaining about, I'm serious, too.
Or people complaining about not being able to get an iPhone, or honestly [UNKNOWN], we deal with this all the time.
Okay I'm just gonna put it out there.
Houston, Florida and all the other disaster.
Puerto Rico, and all the other disasters that are happening internationally.
Was it, is it.
I don't want to say it incorrectly, I don't want to say Bangladesh.
But I know out there.
Mexico, there was an earthquake last night.
I don't care if you can't get it online because the system busted.
We are so lucky to be able to have this stuff.
Don't make a video about that!
Just have some perspective and just suck it up!
Suck it up sometimes.
You're referring to a Nintendo video.
Which I have highly agreed with.
Wait, wait, wait, you agreed with the video or me?
No, with the, what's his name?
I can't remember anything.
I mean you know, it is personal problems but Nintendo's got to fix their problem with.
Not putting their stuff out first again.
Bro, I've been a sneaker head for years.
This whole thing of like that sites literally getting hammered with millions of people to try and get a pair of shoes.
Has happened for like, the last five or six years.
Like that's just the way it is.
I don't know, I don't know about the shoe thing, but the Nintendo thing is definitely a pain in the ****.
Well, welcome to my world bro, welcome to my world.
[LAUGH] I gave up after the Nintendo classic.
I'm like, no way am I gonna try to get this thing again.
NES, the new super NES classic came out, I'm like [NOISE]
And let me ask everyone, how many of you are playing with your NES Classic?
When was the last time you opened up that bad body?
Probably not for a month.
I rest my case.
I actually got on my old NES, the origi, and I was playing games with my kids and it was fun.
We had a blast.
So I don��t need the classic.
That��s it Brian we��re done buddy, it��s Friday.
My gosh it��s Friday, that��s awesome.
Okay, so everyone remember our phone lines, our voicemail is back up and running.
I expect at least 20 calls for next week.
I��m not even kidding-
Cuz it��s gonna be a beast.
The phone number to call us out 1-800-616 2638, 1-800-616-2638 save it in your phone, call us, we'd love to hear from you, I'm excited beach, I'm genuinely excited for this Gino.
Yeah yeah, so Tuesday morning, nine AM Pacific time, we're gonna do a live show, play by play.
Of the Apple event we have people inside, we have a shot outside the building.
So make sure you come to CNet.com to watch that.
It's our legit in depth coverage, man.
You can't top it.
You can't top it on this.
Will we have Bingo?
Will we have Apple Bingo?
We're gonna have Apple Bingo.
And I'm just gonna let you know, you know how Samsung and Apple copy each other?
There's a lot of people that copied our live format now.
Taking live calls.
Doing a live, real time thing with the enote.
Show me who those people are.
I want to call into their show.
We should call in from our show to their show, and be like hey, what are you [LAUGH].
Why waste our time!
Why waste our time!
People are like wondering, hey, are you going to end this show?
Yeah we're going to end it.
Take care, everyone.
Have a great weekend.