Samsung Gear VR makes virtual reality a reality in CNET UK podcast 414

[MUSIC] Hello and welcome. You are listening to Cnet UK Podcast and this is episode 414 for Friday the 12th of December 2014. We're stepping into virtual reality. The first major VR product hits the market. Stepping into the past by extracting DNA from ancient manuscripts. And into space as we check out a Superman show without Superman. I'm Rich Trenholm and joining me are. In the studio this week is, Andy Goyle. << Hello, you came to me first. I did come to you first. That means I get to say Hi before Luke. Yeah, well you blotched it to be honest. [LAUGH] Luke, Luke [UNKNOWN] see if you can do any better than that. Well the good thing about you going to Andy first is that it gives me more time to think about what I'm, something funny to say. And instead of something funny this time I've come up with that searing insight. [LAUGH] So you're welcome. Stay tuned for more of this kind of more of this kind of podcast gold. Yep. Why don't we kick off the [UNKNOWN] [MUSIC] Hooray for VR, virtual reality tech fans. Yep. Or acronym fans. [LAUGH] Yeah, there's, I mean there's so many people who are going to be excited about this. So it's Samsung's VR, gear VR. Yeah. It's virtual reality headset, that has finally gone on sale, but. I see you're already getting very excited. Yeah. Your blank staring lifeless faces and those dead shock eyes. My face is not lifeless. Actually no. It's pallid. [LAUGH] But, it's not actually dead. So, Andy, you tried the Gear VR. So, we'll I have tried it, but the thing to not, the reason not to be excited yet, is cause it's only going on sale in the US. Boo. Oh. So far. And it's only being launched through AT&T's website and some of Samsung's own retailers I believe. So it's only on quite limited release. But you're right. Which And you have to have a Samsung Galaxy Note 4 as well. That is the other problem with [CROSSTALK] Yeah, so actually, addressing this news to a UK central. Podcast is kind of like an insult to the listeners. [LAUGH] But it's interesting to know that it is on sale and maybe it's going to soon come over here. And so yeah, Mm. I have been and I have had to go with Yeah. the Gear VR. And I actually had this great demo where Samsung had filmed this 360 degree video. From a camera mounted below a helicopter flying over a glacier. So, I was, I was, I put the headsets on and then, as I look around and move around, I'm seeing the entire view of this glacier in full HD as I'm, as I'm looking round. Which really was actually incredible. Mm. It, genuinely, this was impressive. Mm. I was, I was seriously, I mean it was almost a bit sickening cuz it was Yeah. [INAUDIBLE] And it was quite unnerving. That overtly simulated being tied to the underside of a helicopter. [LAUGH] Yeah. Which was which was great. [INAUDIBLE] But, be right. You do have to have a note from. Note 4. And the Note 4 is about 600 pounds and then the Gear VR itself is launching in the US for $200. That's a hell of a lot of money to spend. So the helicopter landed, wouldn't it have squashed the camera? Don't ask questions like that Luke. We're gonna go into the rabbit warren of darkness. So that's the end of the simulation. The camera lands and you die. Yeah, you get squashed. If you die in VR, you die in real life. [LAUGH] So, this, I mean, this is significant, I guess, because I mean, there are virtual reality products out there. And we have had virtual reality for years, and years, and years. But all the current kind of, wave of interest in it. This is significant because they've beaten Sony's project Morpheus and they, they've beaten Oculus as well. Which was the kind of company that resurrected Yeah. interest in VR. And they they've really been taking their time. So it's yeah so I suppose Samsung's got the resources [CROSSTALK] Yeah. Well, so has Oculus, having been bought by Facebook but, True. after that deal went through we've just heard nothing really. Mm. I mean, it, I'm not sure if they're even doing. Anything with it, but yes, assumptions assert. Although somethings, it's definitely, it's a weaker product in terms of what it can do. It's just a hat. It's a hat. [CROSSTALK]. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, doesn't have its own screen, doesn't have its own processing, it's all through the phone. Whereas Oculus is a complete unit that would effectively be. You're a complete unit. [LAUGH] You complete unit. Yes, that you for ruining my- You complete package. So you came close to making a sort of meaningful point there. [CROSSTALK]. Not even close. So this things costs $200 Yes, if you're in America. it- Yeah. And what do our readers think of that? [FOREIGN] nerd. [LAUGH] [FOREIGN] nerd. In the comments says, so you're telling me they expect me to pay $200 for a glorified smartphone accessory. I wouldn't call it glorified. [LAUGH] That's what this is. Right? A smartphone accessory. Yeah. Yeah so that is what they're telling you. [CROSSTALK] Yeah. Bad news. No, I mean [UNKNOWN] come over here that's the hopefully hopeful. Yeah, it's a, luckily it's a diminishing trend, stuff that we don't get in the UK. Like the, the Apple watch. They've not mentioned a UK release date for that. Yes. So it seems likely at the moment that maybe we'll have to wait a little bit. Andrew. I can, All right. Andy has a stick of brightened rock hidden behind his, his, Honestly, I don't, I don't. No I don't. He's reaching for it, when he knows the camera is on someone else, Children, So that he can just have a little bit of rock. [LAUGH] I like brightened rock! It's colorful, look at all the colors! Yeah, it, It's brilliant. It's very colorful apart from the end that you sucked all the color. Don't put it in your mouth. And it's the truth you want. Not in the mouth. Not the mint one cuz the mint rock is awful. That is, it's terrible. [INAUDIBLE] This is audio gold. Just like to just like to apologize to all podcasters. Everyone knows what Brighton Rock is. This is a UK podcast. That's true, that's true. So Yeah. They go, yeah the stuff that you can't buy is going in the UK. There's also an America down the way. Okay. Well what is going on in the news this evening? Okay. Well Blackphone. Now this is the smart phone that was released for ultra security conscious people. It can't be hacked and you can make secure phone calls and texts. Well it has just got it's own app store and, That's right, I think in January. Yeah, you know a lot more about this, Rich, don't you, because you wrote about the Black Phone I believe? I did, yes. So this is a, yeah, like you say it's, it's made, it's a kind of collaboration between a company called Geeksphone which makes the hardware and a, a, a service called Silent Circle which. Just this kind of encryption or secure messages and text. So if you make a phone call and, in theory it can't be it can't be listened to. Mm-hm. And so yes, so this phone it's an Android powered phone, but up until now, we first saw it I think in February at Mobile World Congress. And you'll be able to buy it for, I think, it's summer. But yeah, it's an Android Phone, but you can't you have to use Amazon App Store. Obviously, if you buy this secure phone, and then you download certain apps onto it, some of them are going to be quite, quite leaky. It's gonna be a bit of a point of uh,some insecurity. So ,. And you know, there's always this control issue that we're hearing about, about apps taking charge of your camera and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Hm. But the idea is that, that the, the Black Phone are going to kind of vet these apps. They're not gonna have games or social network stuff, but they're gonna vet this stuff like Apple does. No social network? Why not, why not games? No social network. Why not? Well, I think. Too frivolous, too frivolous for someone who's security minded. Exactly, yeah, yeah, you can't be wasting time on games when you should be thinking about who's watching it. Yeah, you don't wanna be playing Tetris when they, the black helicopters- Kick down your door. Yeah. A helicopter couldn't kick down the door- [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] So it passes, it passes- Unless it banked quickly and used its runners. [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] well, well the i, the i, the idea is that it it's one, one of the sets of people they're selling it to, the main probable, probable set of people they're selling to is is people who are gonna be business users. So I think the idea is that they're gonna have business-focused apps so that people can, this can become like a viable alternative to. To say a Blackberry or a Samsung phone. Well MrFreeze574 in the comments says, why not just use a Blackberry? How long have you got? [LAUGH] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Thank's MrFreeze, but this is a, meant to be a short. [INAUDIBLE] Yep. I think with this app store and, and all their security stuff that, that it's controlling apps that will sort of frivolously sell your data or use your data in certain ways. Is that possible. They, they [CROSSTALK] It's various parts of it. They don't want it to be leaky and, and, you know, apps suck, they don't wanna get malware on there. They don't want to be leaky and you r personal details can be, can be got access through the apps. they, they don't want social network. Which is a shame, you don't blame them. I mean I don't want a phone that denies me from every anti social networks. I like social networks. You know you're aren't taking your privacy and security seriously. I think that, that this year or actually next year 2015 will be a year when security goes mainstream in phones and mobile devices. I think that sounds. So boring. It is [INAUDIBLE] Crucial, and useful but, But really boring. [CROSSTALK] Are we gonna, in a year's time are we gonna be [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGH] [LAUGH] It's their, like review of the year 2015. Yeah. [INAUDIBLE] What a year it's been for security. [LAUGH] Well, actually I, I'm writing a review of like the year at- Mm. At the moment and. And looking back, it's not been a, it's not been a whale of a time. It's like remember GCHQ and all that. It's also been a boring year. Someone asked me yest, a couple of days ago, said what what Android smart phone are you using at a the moment? Because I review our phones I tend to have all of the best. Once and. Yeah, show off. Well, but, but my point is, is that I, I'm just so not excited about any of them. Like there's just nothing that's really standing out that's making me go, ooh, that's cool. I'm gonna use this one, I'm gonna talk to you about this phone. Okay. [CROSSTALK] I know it's not that important, but we're talking about themes of the year. My theme is that, God, I'm really just bored. [LAUGH] Just really bored. I'm seriously bored. [CROSSTALK] I annoy people who get bored. [CROSSTALK] Knock this Andy on the head and throw out another one. [LAUGH] He's become self aware. Unwrap another Andy so fresh face [UNKNOWN] again. Well, it's just that, I mean we did see more world unrest in the last tear than the year before. It was very incremental stuff [INAUDIBLE] I mean the black phone was the kind of exciting product. As was like, Firefox OS and Arundo. Arundo looked really cool and that was actually quite exciting. It was new and different and we've not seen anything of it. Like so. Yeah, just more, slightly different-looking Android phones please. [LAUGH] Yeah basically all they [CROSSTALK] Yeah. Yeah well. so we want to point this out, mobile conference will be in February so we're not actually that far off seeing come next year's. Oh is it March? Of course it is, because it's my birthday, they moved it, so now I'm gonna be at a mobile phone trade show on my birthday. So lucky. Yeah so think of the party. Yep, just think of the- So many phones, so much connectivity. [INAUDIBLE] Okay, well that's looking ahead to the future. But now let's look back to the past. What a good segue. I know. A segue is futuristic device so let's hop off that segue, and get on a horse and cart. Oh, yeah, you see where I was going. Okay so let me first tell you quickly [LAUGH] about what a parch, about what a parchment is. Yes. Okay. What is a parchment? A parchment, Luke and Rich and audiences, is, it's not paper though, it's actually made from flattened calf skin and, and hides of animals. Ew. Ew. Yes, you're wrong to be disgusted because what we found out you from researchers at University of York and Trinity College in Dublin. Mm-hm, yes. Have found that they have been able to find out about British farming practices by studying the DNA of these parchments, because they are. Oh. From living animals have actually been able to use DNA. Find out what these animals were fed at the time and then be able to learn about farming practices. Oh that's clever. so. [CROSSTALK] Five, seven hundred years ago. A long time ago. And this is possible. Because obviously, like, like animal DNA wouldn't, would have sort of disappeared over the years. Or, or, or, or, or decayed. Yeah. But some, but Parchment is looked after very carefully in libraries and archives. [CROSSTALK] Yes. And also, the preservation process to make the Parchment as well means that it won't erode as quickly. A dead cow would. People- Well, I think that the next, then next stage is obvious, really, I think that that scientists have to create a theme park with clones of British Clones. [LAUGH] arable animals. [LAUGH] Like we could call it we could call it Arable World. Oh, yeah. Oh, wait, it's arable farming, Or, Agricultural World. Don't know. They're both great names. Husbandry World. Hu, Husbandry Park. [INAUDIBLE] Look at how normal this cow looks. [LAUGH] It's not been selectively bred to be like an enormous big cow marshmallow. Oh, oh, I see. That, that's interesting. I, I didn't know what parchment, I though parchment was, was [LAUGH] just paper that's been, that has seeds built on it and birds around the edges. [LAUGH] Anyway what else is going on. [LAUGH] [UNKNOWN] Can I also [CROSSTALK] Can I also, can I also just point out that in 700 years. Yeah. Historians aren't going to know anything about our farming. Mm. Conditions from our paper, so, you know. So who's the, who's the jerk now? Who, yeah. Who's history's fool? [LAUGH] We are. So we will be able to tell quite a lot about farming practices by sort of the fossilized barn full of like 10 million chickens crammed into two foot square. Yeah. Which is our current way we do it. Yeah. Anyway, more [UNKNOWN]. History stuff. The layout of a medieval city, a medieval underground city. This is in Old Sarum in Salisbury. Old Sarum? I don't know if I'm translating, Sarum, Sarum, old Sarum? Old- I don't know. I don't know. I've never, never been to- Well, somewhere in Salisbury. Okay. Good old Salisbury. They have been able to reveal [LAUGH]. Entire layouts of this underground city using digital mapping technologies. So it's completely non-invasive. So if you haven't had to go and dig up half of Salisbury to be able to really see- Mm Underground and see what the stuff looks like. So we haven't Actually looked at using, what- Technologies Yes, technologies, using tech That's good as well cuz it means no one's unlocked. Of the curse, so. [LAUGH] It does mean Tony Robinson's out of the job, but, nevermind. Yeah, that's true. Yeah he, he had a good run. But it's going with [UNKNOWN] back to that 5000 years, I guess, so. It's good that we can use all these new tech to find things. We've got farming, we're looking at old cities underground. Or listening to, listening to Taylor Swift. Yup. Or listening listening to Taylor Swift. So yeah. That's the, that's the next news story that we need to segway, to move into then. Well, speaking of Taylor Swift, Rich. Now I knew what you wanted me to say. Yeah, Bop.fm is now on iOS and Luke is gonna tell us more. Why it's Bop.fm? You probably never heard of Bop.fm [LAUGH] which is a completely reasonable status of. Of existence, because it's not nearly as popular, I think, as many, many of the streaming services. But it's quite interesting, because, it's platform agnostic. So what that means is, you go to Bop.fm and you sort of play a song through their streaming service. And what that's doing is it's pulling the music from, another platform. So you can set up a playlist and some, some of them will be sort of like pulling from YouTube with the music videos. Some. Some of them will be pulling from Spotify. So the idea is you can make a playlist and have some stuff that's not on Spotify, some stuff that's not on SoundCloud. I think it's primarily Spotify, SoundCloud and YouTube. But it's, it's pretty impressive actually cuz ev, I think everything is on YouTube. Cuz most artists have an official, channel page, so- What about people who just rip it and put it on YouTube for them? I think it will. I don't know exactly how it, the it finds it. I don't know if it's sort of searching from some sort of YouTube provided database. But, Like Vivo. Yeah, yeah. But I used it for a while and it was pretty good. There were some songs I, I, I couldn't find any AC/DC or something. Put me through. And then when I went to YouTube there was like ACDC channel or something along those lines. But, but it is a cool idea and it gets around the problem of Taylor Swift, not being on Spotify. So- Or the Beatles. Yeah. So if you're a fan of Beatles or, Taylor Swift, or not ACDC. It, so it's, it's been around for a, for a short while. But yeah. Now it's got an iOS app, so. So do you pay for it, then? Or would, if you were- No, it's free. I'm a premium Spotify subscriber would that, can I link my account, or- Well, what I do know is that if you have an iOS device you have to have the Spotify app in stores for it to work. Oh. So, I think, yes. See, in that case you would need to be a premium, subscriber to use it on your phone. So it's a bit kind of [NOISE]. It's not like seamless or that smooth, to be honest. Or that good? [NOISE] Well, I think it's good. Well, I mean it's sort of like, it, it's kind of, if I rat, if I couldn't something on Spotify it might be where I would go instead of straight to YouTube. For example. It seems like the sort of thing that's going to be around until everybody's sorts to head out about streaming services. Yeah. And they sort of disappear. But in the meantime, you know, if you want to fess with what the Beatles are or whatever it's just one more way of doing it. Mm-hm. On your phone. Smart, Shane. Cool And what else is going on? Well, there is a new Superman TV show. Oo, yeah. So first of all there is no sign of Superman in it. [LAUGH] Hurray. Okay. Well, this sounds great. Well, Rich you can tell us more. I will tell you more. You'll probably, if you closely watch the video you'll see Russell Crowe on the, on the, on the screen there, in, Man if Steel, where he's Superman's dad. Does he have anything to do with it? He, well he he's not, well, let me tell you, Lou. [INAUDIBLE]. So in Man of Steel he played Superman's dad, and this new TV show is called Krypton and it's set on Superman's home planet of Krypton and it's all about his family. Specifically, his grandfather. Okay. And so it's kinda about the history and the past of Krypton. So it's, it's, so Superman isn't even in it. Or Kal El as he was known at the time. Not Kal El, as you. Kal El [LAUGH] yeah. Who's friends with the. Pizza Spiderman. Cut Spider, [LAUGH] cut on Spiderman. [LAUGH] So yeah. Only it's, it's, it's, it's, I don't know. It's kind of an interesting idea with, oh I don't know. I read a lot of this thing, I sort of read this this thing, like. well. Peter DeSilva says, so a planet of aliens with no powers. I know Superman until it's last day [LAUGH]. That's a, that's a good point. That will be, that will be the incredible climax of this show if you stick with it for all eight seasons or whatever. In the last episode- Everybody dies. Yeah. In the last episode everyone will die and this sort of superhuman being will, with immense power will emerge and then he'll be like- And I'll be dead. [LAUGH] Yeah. David Whitehead said, Kryptonian teen angst, I'll pass. Mm. Wen Soul says, don't forget they are also the network who brought us the rebooted Battlestar Gallactica. There is hope. That's true, cuz it's on Syfy. Eh. Yep. Cuz when I saw this, I thought like, oh, so they've. This is an incredibly, good response to Gotham and decided to make that again but with characters that are less well liked. [LAUGH] But I'll say, I mean, so the problem, the problem that I have with this is, it's, it's produced, or written and, and developed by, a couple of people. Including David Goya who, is the [UNKNOWN] guy who wrote Man of Steel and there is a lot. Of Krypton stuff in in Man of Steel. So Yup. He's presumably recycling that and but building on that mythology that he kind of developed there. Hm. Which was kind of interesting but the thing is Man of Steel is terrible. And David [UNKNOWN] is literally the worst. I mean he's like the go to guy for these geek properties cuz he wrote the Dark Knight movies. He's worked with the Dark Knight movies. he, he previously worked on Blade, and all this kind of thing. And he's currently, he's just written Batman vs. Superman. But ya, he's, oh, they're all awful. I mean, [CROSSTALK] Man of Steel, I've seen times like, I don't know if this is gonna be any good. But it'll be, if it had Michael Shannon in it then it'd be pretty cool. My- Yeah. Big disappointment about this. My big disappointment is that you wrote in your headline Gran of Steel which I thought was genuinely what it was called. Which I thought sounds brilliant, Gran of Steel. That's, I would definitely watch that. They should reboot Super Gran. That's what they should do. Forget Superman, forget Gotham, bring back Super Gran. And then the Super Gran, Banana Man crossover for 2020. Absolutely yeah. Can I ask a geeky question? Yeah, cuz it's- it, are all of the people on Krypton Mm. also supermans? Or are they only supermans because on Earth, Supermen. the gravity is different and the sun is different? It's, it's not the gravity, it's, it's the, sun's rays. Yeah, Okay. so they would be supermans if they went to ,. As they went to work. In fact, they say not Supermans. They're normal mans. On Kryp, on Krypton. Yeah they're Kryptonians. They're regular everyday [CROSSTALK] Right. Working folk like you and me. Oh, okay. I thought maybe everyone was a Superman, so so like it would be sort of like level the playing field. Everyone was really strong, you know just living together. Gee, yeah. In the world of the Supermen, who is the Superman? The one eyed man. [LAUGH] Actual no he, he would be flattened. [LAUGH] Yeah. Yeah. Absolute victory. [LAUGH] You wouldn't last. [CROSSTALK] And finally [INAUDIBLE] Yes, GTA 5, we all know about the controversy around GTA 5. And it's woman beating scene, Why, why has this particularly flared up again now. So, they. [UNKNOWN]. Video games so. Yeah. So there has been a, what's the word I'm looking for here? Update. No. Expansion pack? No. Re-release or? People giving signatures to ban something. Petitions. Thank you. Petition. We'll talk about this. What's been changed in the game that's. So recently there's a first person view in Grand Theft Auto 5 now. Which allows you. This is the HD re-make. The HD re-make then. An extra one. Yeah. Allows you not your character. You're staying free of either your character so you are going out and theoretically slapping women in the face or beating people up. RIght. Or having sex with a prostitutes. And then killing them. And it's now all first person. Its now all first person instead of using a character to do it. Which a lot of people argue that is a big, big difference cuz there's no disconnect between you and the character anymore. It is you doing this thing. And yeah, a petition was started on change.org which reached over 50,000 signatures and was successful in getting copies of GTA5 pulled from Kmart and Target in Australia. Australia. Right. Okay. Now in response to that almost quite comically because they did it as bit of a parody. Another change.org petition came up which actually got more signatures to get the Bible banned from the supermarkets for the same reasons. They, they quoted the violence against women. Demanding how. It's okay to burn. A man should be able to burn his daughter if she is a **** and it. Their words not mine. And and how it's okay to stone them to death and stuff. So they argued [UNKNOWN]. The Bible is promoting similar violence against women. I, quite oddly- It, it it's an interest, an interesting point, yeah. Yeah. Quite oddly, and yeah, yeah. Actually then, it then turned out that Target then, pointed out that they don't actually sell the bible. So it, they should have done a little bit more research on their, campaign- Yeah. - before beginning, really. Well this is, I mean Australia is quite tight on. Games, aren't they? They're quite sort of, they, they're very down on those sort of violent games, they're quite [CROSSTALK]. Yeah, they do. They a, a little, little more heavy handed than other countries with sort of banning and censorship. But this game is not banned in Australia. No. It's just, it's just that the shops have decided not to sell it. Not to sell it, yeah. But it could be, given their size, it could be that more, more shops do [CROSSTALK] Well I mean, there's loads of shops. That sort of don't sell things. Like we were talking about this earlier, it's like w, they, they, some like, magazines. Some extreme, shall we say, magazines that like WH Miss doesn't sell. On the corner. Yeah. I would like, yes. Thank you. You know, it's not only, it's not because those sort of magazines are, are necessarily sort of banned or outlawed. Lord or anything. [CROSSTALK] Another way to look. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] [UNKNOWN] That's gonna go completely over the head of everyone born after 1985, I think. [CROSSTALK] Yeah. What's a railway, they'll say. [LAUGH] Can't I just tweet my way [LAUGH] but yeah. yeah, so I, I personally don't really see this as, as like an extreme sort of act of, of like censorship or anything like that. I think that it was very much. A bit of a parody, a bit of trying to just, Mm. trying to prove a point with this, with this second petition. Yeah. I mean, you know, there's, there's so many arguments you can have about, we, we're not gonna just try and decide here whether or not GT5 is right or wrong in, in what it does and, Mm. and so, but there's obviously the argument that, well, these shops should be much more concerned about making sure that they're not. Selling to underage because it's an awful game. It's R rated. Mm. And 18 rated. And is only, it's designed for adults and for adults to buy. Mm. But so many game shops. They just do not, they are not strict at all about selling it to to to underage people. Absolutely. Parents need to understand as well that just because something's a video game doesn't, it, it, it's not that. Not necessarily for kids. No, it's not. They can't just buy a game and then hand it straight to them. No. [CROSSTALK] If you are interested in the topic, I would absolutely suggest you do a Google search on Google.com. For our our game spot video college Danny O'Dwyer's video on the subject. Which is kind of a dis, video discussion piece. Mm. Around sort of this, he says that this, this kind of frist person mode in DJ5, while he's a lot, like long term gamer, a big fan of the series, Mm. it did make him feel guilt. Right. And so like it is, there is some stuff in there that's troubling. Mm. Yeah. So do a search for things like that. Game Spot. [CROSSTALK] Gamespot.com, if you're a fan of games then they do all the games. I actually don't like First person view. I think it's too difficult anyway. Good point. [LAUGH] Should we? What, what was Rita saying? Actually, we're not going to do it to you just if you want to have seeing eye movement between gamers. And the people who, who, who read bring up bible and then that [CROSSTALK] Literally feel years taken off your life then go and read the comments so on this story. But that's entirely up to you. All right. Cool. Speaking of comments and stuff. Let Huey [UNKNOWN] six feet back. [MUSIC] Okay first of all we have a bit of correspondence from ex of this parish Nate Langston. Nate Langston yeah. Andy that's your brother. [CROSSTALK] It is my brother. Good old Nate Langston. you, long term podcast listeners will re, will remember Nate and he's written to us. Yeah. He says and now I wasn't on the. Podcast last week so this doesn't make any sense to me but Will this is, so we were having a little di, discussion about inflation and the humble Space Raider crisps. Mm. And [CROSSTALK] Natan said, Nate says, Picks up the story there. I listened intently to your discussion about the Space Raider crisp. I too mourned the day these pocketable sacks of extraterrestrial nutrition. Crumbled under a blow developed by the hands of economics. Like the mouth of a warrior pulverizing the crisp in question betwixt tongue and palate. That is, until the arrival of a messiah known singularly as TESCO. So what happened to that was that space raiders the prices went up by five P and death threats were sent out and this, we had to. Trim this for length. Honestly, next Yeah. Once he gets going on the subject of crisps. Yeah. Honestly. You listened to about a tenth of his message. [LAUGH] It was really impressive. It's one of the things he can get particularly passionate about. Right, right. Yeah. So yeah, the price the price went up five p and then there, there was a huge outcry against this and the price went was taken back down. Mm-hm. But it was very temporary and the price has since crept back up again of they're no longer ten p crisps. That is, until Until. Until test. This guy writes, Space Raiders were, once again, Nate Wright, effectively a ten pence purchase. The multi buy was the saving grace of the ten P Space Raider. That's right. Wishes best Nate. [LAUGH] Thank you very much Nate. Thank you Nate. It's always good to, it's always good to hear from Nate. And again I can not stress how much we have had to. Have to truncate that for sort of time, time constraint. Absolutely. [CROSSTALK] It really was. [CROSSTALK] Get your mind out the gutter. [INAUDIBLE] Mike Batt says, why do birds suddenly appear when I'm near to you? Well, he's got the title wrong there, for a start. Yeah. [LAUGH] [INAUDIBLE] Also, Mike Batt, the well known song writer, Mm. he wrote the the Womble song. You'd think he'd, you'd think he'd you know, pay more attention to the Yeah. Uber of the carpenters. [LAUGH] Well thank you for your comment, Mike. Thank you, Mike. Check that you're not covered in grain. [LAUGH] Jeff Lincoln says I'm still waiting for Android Lollipop for my Nexus 7 2013 wi-fi. Mm. I'm in the UK. How Sweet what a coincidence. Yeah. [LAUGH] Jeff. Our Jeff. Our Jeff [UNKNOWN] Jeff. Lovely Jeff. How much longer do I need to wait or am I just unlucky? so. we, Lollipop is supposed to be coming Yeah. to the Nexus 7 2013, and 2012 I think. Okay. so, the only advice we can really give is, be patient and sort of check for updates. Because, even when it's, you're getting this direct from Google, they do sort of roll it out in stages. Mm-hm. Yeah. So. It's clusters of updates. I think it shouldn't be. Shouldn't be too long but then you know you may also feel lucky. We just don't know. It is annoying to have to wait though. Yes, it is. Dan Pointer says does small possible amps make any noticeable difference to MP3 files, Andy? no, not if you are listening to low quality MP3 files. If you've got really high quality ones or lots less files then, yes. Mm. If you're paying for like a cheap phone but, you probably aren't putting lots less files on a cheap phone. Cuz they're massive files. Mm. You've probably got a high res audio player. And it probably has its own amp built in, so you don't need it. And some can upscale your music a certain amount, but again, and only if you're starting with a good file to begin with. Cool. All right. And. All right. One other question? Phillip Thompson says. Hello. After what has happened with the release plan for Street Fighter Five, do you think that something should be done about console exclusive games? Somebody should do something. Something should be done. [UNKNOWN] A little bit of background to this. So Street Fighter 5 isn't coming to XBox One. Its only going to be on PS4. And that is because Cap Com insisted on open cross platform play. This is the rumor anyway. Microsoft really isn't interested in having games that could possibly, could be cross platform play on both games. Flagged as rumor. And that's something that Microsoft won't budge on. Microsoft has snapped up a similar exclusive deal with Rise of the Tomb Raider. So understandably maybe a lot of gamers are annoyed that this much anticipated title Mm. may not be coming out for things that they've paid hundreds of pounds for. Yeah. so, back to Philip's question. Should something be done about Mm. console exclusive games? I just don't want to be annoyed. I can absolutely understand why you'd be annoyed. I wouldn't say, though, that something particularly should be done. Because this isn't sort of. I mean, not. Like, I've always got the back of kind of normal people instead of sort of, like, big, monstrous companies. Right. But these sort of deals do kinda keep the whole entertainment industry going. Mm. Like, you, you see this everywhere. It's not, it's not just games on consoles. Like, with music. We've already talked about, like, Taylor Swift's kind of non-Spotify. Yeah. Cuz she, you know, that's just sorta something that a record company has decided. Mm. And movies. You know, certain movies only come out in certain, like, branches. Which is a cinema. And you know, stuff like that, or they've got distribution deals, like everything. Like, everything is gonna. Netflix. Netflix, yeah, yeah, Netflix has exclusives. Well, that's the time, that beeping you can hear is mega timer cutting us off. Oh, boy. So, we're gonna have to end it there. That is it- If the mega timer ever shuts up. Thank you for all your questions everybody. Mark's, Mark nearly just dropped negatine [LAUGH] Which would have killed us all. Our producer, Mark, who you'll never see just heroically threw himself. Mm. Across the studio. Behind the scene. In many ways what's happening over there is much more interesting than what's happening. If only we could turn the cameras around. We do actually have one that sort of rotates but it doesn't rotate that far, I don't think. And [UNKNOWN] camera in the way. Maybe, maybe. [INAUDIBLE] Well, thank you. [INAUDIBLE] Yes please, keep contacting us, emailing us at our email address there, it's at the bottom there. Look at it, cnetukpodcast@cbsi.com. Oh, right, thank you very much. Very much Luke. Thanks. Thank you Andy. Thank you. Thank's to our heroic producer Mark who you will never see. Right, we're off to do some Christmas shopping, bye. [MUSIC]