Ep. 1542: The spin on the HP spin-off

Today's Tuesday August 30 2011 my name Steven beach of the wake of Stevens and try some more than 2000. And I do today I did you and manage the image of a -- -- song battalion there -- -- -- -- I don't Molly hood before the show -- and about that -- is podcast and interlinked attempts at 1540 T the show where I can't crowned. -- I'm not like head of BT totally made my -- I did not make fun I was a silent and I'll tell you observing even now -- leg and then you said you're embarrassed. How exactly the part where He made -- That is -- you know we all you know but I don't care because I didn't hear little I enjoy this period and the passion. It just -- the arms flailing doesn't work for me it's okay. It's a castle and they plan only if I got monkey arms they can't control that -- -- -- publicly elected. I welcome to the show every line. Big news potentially in the WikiLeaks world apparently. For the second time -- -- WikiLeaks has lost control. Of its giant cache of State Department cables. And this time the leaked files are apparently online. This is this is bad this is -- now the uncensored cables. Were contained and where supposedly. Amino -- protected file one point 73 gigs of data that was encrypted what it happen is Julian Assange. They had acquired they have this file but also He had given the password to use some unnamed. Outside person. And through to people putting two and two together. They had revealed that this outside person who has yet to be revealed. Had leaked the password out in some way shape or form -- -- -- some sort of post and -- -- -- -- -- tried out word they gave them access to this file. Where names of officials informants and suspected intelligence agents. There it's un redacted which means none of those names were blacked out in this file Reyes is -- pretty much the raw data from some of these cables at they have. And therefore the concern about that is that. Some of the sources contained within because obviously stuff that is you know be on top secret classified. This is why that the state department's freaking -- so much about it the concern is -- according to New York Times and others that sources now. Have been exposed. Potentially and -- could be in danger or. Vulnerable to some other recriminations. And the thing is that this file is if you're looking for. You know it's gonna be a little harder to try and put two together but from what the -- German newsweekly. There's Spiegel says is that. They were able to find these on the Internet and then put to -- together and it's not if you do enough digging you'll be able to access this file and what it is so why won't other countries. Tried -- try to search for the stuff you know countries like Iran Jordan Israel who have. Who people better on this on document -- this file are named. -- on what's interesting too is that they had to. That the part of this reveal is that they and in this they lost control of the this -- of information apparently like members of anonymous have been trying to find this information because. I elites are anonymous no members of anonymous have on behalf of WikiLeaks because there was that the German guy who deleted a bunch of files -- don't try to -- Who had a I think that was -- guy who deleted a bunch of information and people have been trying to recover it. And then anonymous probably will have a field day with -- or not but the people have been trying to recover this information and so what the near time's right is that. It will who wouldn't why would -- signs have given out the password for -- hundred active materials to an outside source and then not changed it. When that material disappeared and so it was somewhere on the web for somebody to find -- leaked you know whether it was like living on torrent sites or whatever. And Assange apparently never change the password for the database. And that and so that's what near time's right and they say that the you know it indicates. His incapacity for or disinterest in. Establishing coherent security guidelines for his organization which is a problem appeared if you -- to leaks of -- WikiLeaks and you feel like you can't trust them. On the other hand WikiLeaks has written has tweeted and said totally faults. That any WikiLeaks sources have been exposed or will be exposed New York Times they say drooling comma senile comma and evil period. The number I can imagine that everyone is using Google's -- -- -- to compose and. I did this is from what we've heard rated either Reyes had WikiLeaks. Has only been in and uses much but it seems like ages were sitting on this. Stockpile. Of cables and they. At least from what we can tell. Have not been acquiring many more things and releasing many more new things -- they've just been sitting on -- stash. And slowly but surely -- once a while throwing them out to -- get their name back in the press in the media. Now it would this. This also shows -- all. You know it is that if that was the level of security they had -- these files pretty much an encrypted file -- a pass certain. And -- that and that's it and it was it was on their servers WikiLeaks on servers. One of the defectors from WikiLeaks. -- then spun off to lead this -- -- -- rival group called open weeks. They at one time had. Had access to this file. They they acquired this this file and then later on gave it. To Julian Assange -- so they they have the raw data is all they did not have the -- to the time. But as they defected because they weren't in aligned with what WikiLeaks is gonna trying to do in. You know with the how how we -- its gonna throw their power around instead of using before. The good in their mind open leaks did it end up giving back this database to them. But it just shows that how this file was floating everywhere was floating everywhere. They got it back in men that's when He didn't change a -- and that the -- that literally as I was saying that earlier I realise -- how can you change a -- and an encrypted database that you don't have control over. He net He net it appears that He never. The the -- it was. Almost encrypted file. This outside source had -- -- but in the a Julian Assange himself you know anyone's control of the file and and any other file back -- change the passwords and -- the external source was able to -- somehow or something somehow that -- they eluded me article you know this is so it's like. Cloak and dagger type I know they allude that. They don't even wanna tell who the person is how He -- the -- to Weathers in a poster He just gave it up. Because they don't want this to be as publicly known in that they don't -- to be really out there will too late now to WikiLeaks got leaked and then I love that. The -- though only story that I've seen so far that it that appears to Parse them of the new data. Is about how Apple is slow to respond to counterfeiting. In China and other Asian countries particularly -- I thought I -- -- get. At this. And they outsource that to be exposed -- and by the NASA had to be -- -- Really. Okay. Let's -- let's let you know they're saying we're holiness stash of cables. There's a lot of stuff and an unknown really cares about -- -- in so. Anyway apparently Apple's slower response tenor and Chinese and they did didn't they didn't see -- -- common thing I did. -- -- -- -- -- I thought. I it HP continuing to take aim and fire at its foot. Over and over and over injecting yet more confusion into the market today vis a vis its future plans -- Packard said on Monday. That it her first -- spinoff. It's PC unit personal computers unit as a -- maybe sell it and is currently working on understanding the larger implications. Of separating business from the company. Mean. I wonder now -- -- you know they're -- that. Because there's so -- a day even mentioned in the articles and -- of some of the faults of what they're doing and how they're planning on in investing in them. Some missing key facilities to even a boost their PC production room while still looking on spinning off -- I feel like this more than anything is they're trying to make. That division look good so they can find someone -- -- You think it I I think that's it's been judged because that's the spin on their spin off these hidden because I -- wildwood days I -- why we. They just pretty much told the world they organist that they were looking to spin off or sell it now -- -- well. We might wanna keep -- but still spin off because. It'll still add to our bottom line we're expanding our facilities in Shanghai for our PC operations this is a good thing this is why someone might want this. In some they have no freaking idea what they're doing and the fact that they would have made any kind of an announcement in the an investor call in an earnings call and said were continued we're considering these strategic alternatives for their. Personal systems group and then say. -- we prefer an up as a separate company in -- to -- working like literally got spokespeople. -- -- -- -- down 40% -- a six year low you are allowing your spokesman go out into the world and say. The working hypothesis. Is that a spinoff would be in the best interests of HB shareholders consumers customers and employees. However we have to complete the diligence process and validate this assumption including fully understanding the -- synergy isn't. In separating the PSG business from HP in some. We have no idea what that would mean we don't know how to do it and we're not quite sure but we open our stupid bloody mouse anyway. A Latino and about twelve to eighteen months what -- -- -- to. They are endless that's exactly what they're doing we -- watching HB -- corporate suicide right before our eyes. As the article that we talked about yesterday at that point -- on the social dramatic changes. A little late for this though it did it actually to get even worse -- adds because in addition to that announcement. HP's. HP's own Todd Bradley when -- executive VP of their personal systems group. Alluded to the fact that Hewlett-Packard could resurrect of the touchpad tablet computer. After it's been off of the PC so they killed it and now they're -- Bradley said -- could bring back the touchpad or offer up a different tablet at a later date and the company is still exploring the option of licensing its level. Are these guys are idiots. You -- out -- it's just. -- -- I well -- you -- He also said tablet computing is a segment of the market that's relevant. Absolutely. You guys actually had a product in that relevant market -- -- decided to kill it then. As reported is on the market well let's be thinner though. This is the executive vice vice president of HP's personal systems group -- saying that this -- they got it like. Yes we should be doing PCs and tablets that's my group that's my department and while you're investigating. This synergy is that I am putting stuff out there hoping that somebody will come along and by the division and save us from these more -- I think that Leo in the -- need to sit down and figure out what they're gonna try and tell people next debated both. I cannot -- you like HP could bring back the touchpad are operated in his tablet at a later date and the company is still exploring the option. In this wicked HP events could bring back and -- It's at best you're not actually you're not supposed to say your wishful thinking the -- in and out eight -- don't think I'll just stop. Earlier spokespeople -- out loud -- higher corporate strategy just. It also -- period. It also gets better because that's suppliers who were supporting this whole each caught -- -- they get left hole in the bag. It appears that HT CHP. Has -- suppliers with over -- parts. For over 200000. Unmade touch -- go tablets now if you -- -- called the touch pad go. Was there -- seven inch model. Of their big daddy touchpad. So now component makers put all these things together hey let's assemble these touch pads as a rolled out its well obviously the touchpad was -- -- -- Maybe this is let He was talking about you means that in this he's talking about the seven inch tablet. I cannot believe that it is believed that HP itself would take that hundred million hits. And then. Who knows what's gonna happen in the suppliers but I can guarantee one thing if HB hangs on to that personal systems group. They're gonna have some serious rebuilding to do with their manufacturing partners like they're gonna have a tough time convincing anybody to want to work with them. The -- is now hilariously coming up with things that HP stands for such as HB equals -- pleased with an age peoples has problems with -- -- -- -- There is of the day anybody keep -- -- and I didn't I think they are pricey in this strategically to chat room offers the seven -- for fifty dollars. After the nine point seven inch was a 99 dollar bake sale -- -- They've -- suppliers should just go ahead and Macomb and then fell under the sold directly cut out the middleman they might as well assemble them and get the job done in just put amount on the black market. Which is a disorderly without -- open letter from the oil to you dear HP stop talking. Love buzz out -- I mean. What is it like it's better to be thought a fool -- to open your mouth and prove it. It's ridiculous I'm so embarrassed for them right now I just came -- happening yeah -- I we did you know what we're actually gonna take a break to recover from the shock of watching. A gruesome suicide group or -- they're poking their I. They're stabbing themselves and I and they won't stop it is well designed for -- can't -- that we gotta -- that we gotta go tough economy here. Until with the obvious. I -- favorite quick break when we come back though a company that -- at least according to analysts kill it. But -- tablet. Whether Apple's iPod is or is not streaming have the biggest baby bump news you've ever did hear the -- of -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Alright guys because the -- was contributing so many enemies -- HP you know. What HP stands for now we are going to throw it out there to the general opal ring. And have you send us an email -- -- at cnet.com we want your best. HP. And we -- because they haven't gotten so good. So good inter marrying wanna spoil it doesn't yet we went on we wanna we wanna keep bumper tomorrow so you guys -- of -- -- cnet.com and will read down a bunch and won't give you guys stickers because it gonna take their view. Or just read this seeking to -- just -- between his -- Commanders say much like it to their short yet another -- -- -- by the way on every single news.com story that I go to snapper are apparently now and all eternity. Policy isn't giant -- -- as banner. With that lets -- is -- look like those ones and an order that I talked on the -- -- Honey do that but it -- noon they know they know goes up another man following Nina for a week it's the magic of cookies. -- guys back the story is. HP's touch -- did show us though that there was a huge. Demand for cheap budget tablet and Amazon overweight -- There impending tablet -- is projected to maybe be announced coming out and of September some -- October. According to Forrester Research analyst. The unit could sell as high as five million. Just in the fourth quarter alone if they really trying to hit and launched at a price point below 300 dollars and maybe -- -- Somewhere around 249 and deployment of -- So -- at a loss. But make. Back that money -- their digital stores. Also you know Amazon's the machine where they Lori Ewing -- and they want to spend money in Alitalia works and that they get -- money back. Yeah and then I mean it's interesting to see these analysts estimates to start to -- up and up obviously we we -- we report them with our usual cart load of salt. However. Earlier this month. And there were reports that Amazon -- planning to order anywhere from 800000 to one million tablets. Per month. From August. There's September which gets us to the five million number NIM analyst saying -- we think they can actually tell that many. That although the iPad would retain the dominant marketshare the Amazon tablet could be the first credible. Competitor editor news T that tablet which I frankly I think that's absolutely true because the ecosystem -- there and that's. Have to have a right now if you're talking about what's really credible competitor I would save enough promise from a sales numbers standpoint that might be and we always -- -- from way back that it was the best value for tablet on the market. The -- might. I would say arguably we don't know numbers because no one's really revealing the numbers again might be the number T tablet behind the iPad -- now I'm just such that is actually of this. I. I after that I -- -- -- that's -- -- -- live in it may not be depending Matt -- and gas industry that's very possible. But also I'm just a little tidbit of news. I have a couple of sources out worth -- and Amazon in I was at a barbecue with them this weekend. Leaders you know I like to probe people but the my friends I don't want to really tell me everything but I did say it say so what's going on with -- Amazon's tablet in the right. And one of them smiled and He said noble there's no news on the -- front of Mike. -- Surrey tell me it'll be at Tyndall branded tablet -- and they both looked at each other and smiled -- -- thank -- very much. This it's a smart idea if I would be very smart if it's called something like the Kindle -- Kindle tablet it says is that -- intact elevate the status of. Exactly and makes sense and then -- if they can also do the subsidized pricing mean there's no reason but Amazon shouldn't totally -- The analysts also went on to say that the Amazon would be synonymous with Android on tablets. And offer all of the features that other Arab Android tablet vendors -- like. You know the price the shopping -- all the things that are. I -- is a -- of course it'll be too integrated tablet. Unit you -- -- -- that divided into assailant and the thing yesterday and am I that I hadn't thought about it either in many that in public and yeah just like I -- sometimes it's all about the militant and. It's also I don't know what -- came -- makes no sense. You can sound clip that one easily though and I thought that -- about the -- -- then forget about the Benjamin with. -- strip as it also. Status because in the new world gold accounts. Oh god. And unable of hours. Speaking of gold you know that -- we -- like recently released this the -- gold. Controller no mechanical golden. And it's like classical located. Back to stories and release twenty years on to some of the success and Amazon's hoping to leverage off of or at least good signals and get indicators. The nook has driven a 37% increase their digital sales from Barnes and Noble's thanks to the. -- -- They -- point out unfortunately there wasn't enough to make up for velocity and in store sales which declined 3% to one billion dollars for the quarter. But sales from BN dot com now amber approximately 17%. Of the company's total revenues and are only growing and really I mean. That they've got to keep kind of flip in that script and keep that pendulum that pendulum swinging back over to digital because. The you know you can't keep the stars live forever and it and and the net it's -- it's just amazing to see how much that -- can have a significant impact. Barnes and Noble's has done a really good job is every time you walk into any store. It's right at the forefront with their nook reader and -- Ended -- -- tablet it's they do a good job and people are always around that table. Like getting information -- I like it they've done a really good job of mixing their retail outlet with these -- devices they've done a good job with the transition. Yeah they definitely have a I have to admit my brother and -- -- -- -- -- want to look at when and then there was the moon blanket she is standing there and we're both like alone. But you don't talk to don't know I totally it was like a person -- -- -- -- gadget porn I was totally him talking -- up with this retail associate and then I bottlenose like sweet I love my note reader. While they know it's awesome I know that -- -- -- -- it's a little tiny. Can -- -- a significant I really think I can grow to his hands are bigger smaller -- Cyrano. Almost nothing I have pretty big -- honestly have been in a medium -- and. A suburb you know -- Who did it for me. -- -- -- -- I don't think probably be old man hands even on top Campbell didn't really get -- era now with -- baby and they did was discussed at. -- -- It's next that's the right place. -- -- -- ITunes mats is now available to developers as a beta and -- information and misinformation possibly Canada starting to creep out about it. -- that of course is the feature within -- cloud that lets you scan your hard drive for the music purchased on iTunes and then download it on on to other machine. Yeah would be a 256 bit rate file I'm also. I've got a chance to get my hands and at first it was reported that -- would allow both streaming and downloading. Of music and it appeared -- way but all things. Because what happens is you have this on your playlist and reload as you have this cloud icon with a little arrow. And then when you play -- for the first time was -- Silas device it does He actually have to wait a little bit for -- -- to download the file before you play it and then once that happens that file is. You -- forever on your device so that is like maybe you could consider it streaming the first time and then Indiana the full download. But what other another feature that's -- but they didn't talk about when they first announced iTunes match is the your music. That does not match. And is available on iTunes allows you to upload those additional tracks on to the -- cloud and then you can play them from any other -- device so it does have that. And of Amazon S grew less uploaded files that they can't identify while Mac -- at the same time. So in that case that -- what's confusing is the streaming question right so in that case of its files that are not I teens. The -- -- they would -- let you stream them from my cloud because they don't want you to read download them. Well here's that here's what you can't stream your -- you're not type your not streaming -- M and apparently at least according to Los internal Apple's confirmed that that. There there is no us that you're not streaming your music from your iTunes library or just -- it and it's basically like playing and downloading at the same time -- Exactly exactly -- and telling them up first time but that but I do like the nifty feature where you actually can upload your music that's not matched. He they never said that before knowing everybody's freaking out about that yeah I -- you know because that's what Google and Amazon offers that you can. Upload all of your music to iPad and and I guess it -- take out. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- See this sometimes you know when it's -- and then no one makes an official announcement aerial has to figure out their nonsense politics can be you know can be a little tricky I'm surprised they haven't confirmed or denied that because those are really big deal -- if a you know that's it's. They normally I mean -- only control the message. You know but it is supposed -- now these days because a lot of people can get access to developers. Kits it's -- like. They'll make their announcement when it's official but it's still like us in the tech world where the ones general digging into it and goofing around with their rate -- -- but their message tends to be for the masses. So I guess and I can address the -- it's still in beta and only for developers. -- via an executive at a major music label told policy journal that Apple has acquired streaming rights but that they. It possibly is a philosophical and or design issue to not allow streaming. And the speculation is that part of it says is that Apple doesn't trust the current Telecom ecosystem to handle on demand streaming library files. Every time someone wants to use them also Apple wants its users to think of entertainment as something they consume on Apple devices. As imposing as opposed to being able to stream it from anywhere. Like you know your computer -- your browser. Kenton from Chicago -- the clarification the new iTunes -- service. Allows you to upload your own music but sometimes that's why we're -- that's the feature that they never said was there. And what makes it. A little more compelling and out and I trust them on to have you done that it's okay. Yes so now artistic temperaments -- -- Amazon had a Digg deal that -- out that now yeah I actually done that Apple when you. Turn on the iTunes match feature. It then prompts you to -- scans -- drive tells you what's manageable then. It up loads the songs to the -- -- -- That are not match a -- and -- allows the play them on your devices did that take a long time yeah I mean it takes it takes as long as the upload you know seventy songs took. A long time on this network care about that I'm using it for those reasons but -- it with. If it takes some time -- -- every one in the building. Like to use windows -- and -- plants or others -- -- dollar can OT three indictment that you don't remember seeing jobs criticize uploading insane all it takes Google in the Amazon hours -- lets you -- they're letting them and then how are you playing it back -- -- streaming that downloading and so it'll. It'll the first time again. All Strider now I wanna know is if it's actually letting you -- download and non iTunes music back entered -- that's a huge change. In a curious what you're listening to meet to you guys leave me alone that. Well all right aids will talk about I -- seeing a surge phenom. You can't see it maybe you can but there's a cloud icon next to every song. Now it's likely that cloud icon it'll start the download and play and then from then on it'll be partly on that device and thinking -- you really are re downloading on iTunes music this is an on -- this -- -- on -- iTunes album right now room. And that -- in the applicable polluting. But that. -- I I think that we better. Yeah exactly -- -- we -- That's gonna make an executive decision do it. Yes accuses one of them apparently no one wants to hear about it no I wanna hear about it I'll all right well this does -- this one little stories sometimes restrained pop culture a little bit when it. Mainly would involve the Tweeter. Such as it does in this case because. The. Big Beyonce pregnancy news that's at MTV DNA is. Created a new Twitter and heard people worse. About this and that they weren't tweeting at 8868. Tweets per -- and. That is -- record and the the previous record holder for tweets per second the US women's soccer team's game against Japan. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The DS clutches and it was in I was watching T chief minister -- I was like noticing -- -- dancing his heart issues these dances and that in -- consortium. And didn't like -- belt moments are revving rebellion. In the -- it's easy -- That's an amazing and overshadowed by the way come in by comparison. Osama bin Laden's death. 5160%. And 3% -- Tony -- 4000. The all time high with New Year's 2010 in Japan which -- 6009 and 39 that was the previous record. And so on and so forth really -- -- exactly dancer and this -- tells a lot about tutors user base and I personally am. Kind of -- it's not gonna lie I'm surprised it. The weird world out there. This -- anyway congratulations via changing these apps you guys are super cute nab -- -- -- be freaking a normal freedom talented and talented. So lucky you are right now it's -- -- in its first up Chicago AT&T looks like. They are testing out their four GL TE now where it's alive come on -- device is now one thing that they have been able to find is that the speeds are. Amazing. And -- zine. 1213 megabit upload speeds just over two mega bits per second for us right thirteen -- -- download speed to make -- it's for upload speed. Again there's only one person probably testing this out so those speeds are likely to change but. It does indicate that -- least testing it out in those areas in the AT&T did release to forgy hotspots. And that still aren't really taking it ten. Fully be taken advantage of because their -- GLT network is -- up yet. But it's -- It on -- AT&T and Verizon Wireless and T-Mobile USA plan to invest more than 100 million dollars in their joint venture conclusion. That lets consumers say forget the mobile phones mainly -- the news is that this sets up a big showdown between there Asus venture. And really Google I mean any rival is doing mobile payment that includes obviously visa and MasterCard and all of those -- -- Google has really. Made it clear that they plan to get into the mobile payment came by. Embedding it into standard operating system in and you know at least. Pat probably the nexus phones having -- -- yet. If you're talking about who might win -- -- though it's instinct right you got Verizon AT&T and T-Mobile altogether. Sprint is the exclusive partner for Google's wallet prank. And if I was a betting man I'm gonna probably go with three networks verses the one CD -- one sprint network. You know if you look and it depends on how much there invest in pushing this for -- Google could take on. But at 853 -- trying to say we're gonna do it our own way and is only Google's gonna make any waves with those carriers. If -- -- that's the thing if the carriers maintain the level power that they have right now over the customer experience than they can preinstalled -- -- payment service on their own phones. Visa is although they're working on their own mobile payment service is is backing -- says. And I can totally imagine them has -- in -- -- pick a winner in -- list. And in that -- -- you've got so much momentum -- MI group to talk from a user base numbers game right now it's an advantage of the three carriers teaming up Sobel C plays the real question ten from Chicago asking the -- is is very mobile payment fee on top of your tethering fee on top of your -- feet compared. Probably. Probably that is the problem with the carriers -- this -- -- me personally. -- with Google. Well Google -- a sprint. Now. You grow litigants. -- that if -- didn't do me some. Port the little guy -- if you care about -- support the little flash. All right also Microsoft -- stuff. It's a -- -- and as a file management interface we've been -- giving you some little updates that are coming out of windows -- a blog but they're showing off. The radio feature now that's used the can be used not only with keyboard -- mouse but also the touch interface. You can hide it but it's a scan of a new way to navigate through the menus and you guys to check out the windows -- a blog does you know Seymour. Yeah take its target ads and they like the -- they always talk about the ribbon. Eleven there -- -- lemons that they update is -- you can hide it. I got a -- like an -- thing it's like. Don't -- they're like the ribbon is the greatest thing I noticed it is. Gallant leader rather than that might make me angry can you tell me -- those windows Linux or screens that make any sense to you. I I'll personally attest to fact that if you use the ribbon for a while it gets you get used to and -- -- But yeah it takes allowed -- accidentally tyrant with -- And I Netflix users. Get off the fence on to decide I know -- -- -- an -- you can't decide do you want dvds or do you want streaming viewing dvds a new punching me what to do what -- -- what to do. While the bedtime is now yet to decide this week the scratchy record voice -- -- can't -- that's the end of August -- -- guys and it sector count already September 1 was they were they decided where they said they would roll out and officially. Chains are planned split the streaming and the end dvd rental once the dvd rental -- -- attending the talk you know what -- -- in one GB per month. Thinking I might cancel. -- to -- -- seen everything on streaming there's really not much more to see exactly and I don't wanna get dvds and I would much rather do. Like Amazon video on demand for new movies -- now. I've just decided to try -- -- -- mean. And blockbuster renting because they get the dvds and blu rays before when He days before the others -- -- so I'm gonna see how that plays out but. Skeletons and with a few series -- have left on Netflix I don't see the appeal -- now and I want and if I do you -- new movie and I want it sooner than Netflix just gonna get any -- -- the new Amazon video on demand or maybe but I think I'm actually any of that money for spot by. What does because I really think -- -- I want more. Music or movies ally and I love my satellite radio and my -- -- -- really just -- those T subscriptions are mostly -- Netflix and animals and the question is what does the U I want more. You know -- idealized finer -- because -- have all these other alternatives including the super spectacular amazing -- kids up for an iPad -- have all the content on their family console and actually a lot of -- -- -- and you even care at -- actually 102 minute -- general Aaron -- overnight as we care yeah I realized that there are. Enough alternatives. Between that app and and like movies that -- bought and put on there. I think -- -- do you have serious radio or the serious web streaming I have serious radio so my car -- web streaming it's only like tuning and. That lead to foam plug -- in your car modeled on but there is -- on spot -- let them the last great playlist maker. Okay so I like to make -- that I'm this the whole Netflix proposition as time has gone on because they have not been able it's and the it's really what the studios that are -- -- Netflix from. Really been. Reaching its full potential and Netflix is as lawsuits -- a man I -- I -- -- -- you actually -- easily blame the studios but I also think that Netflix. That was a tough one you know I want them to stick to their guns on a thirty -- release an album but they didn't and it didn't help fishing libraries so I feel like they needed to go back to the table on me like you -- -- deal. And we're not -- because that the problem is that the dvd plan isn't worth it for me because of the delay so another between a rock and a hard place tiny streaming library. Crappy release when -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- literally right. Let us know what you guys are gonna yeah I know it's decision time we definitely wanna hear from you -- in her dvd -- industry meaning canceled blockbuster that's a good we we wanna hear feedback you know we we've really been looking for -- -- -- you guys all wrapped opens and now and I know already gets -- -- -- the but it's definitely. Decision 2012. College and email us. And you could be featured on tomorrow showed you're saying -- Back loop and button or -- How it messes them -- V. About Google but that's alright guys a sick out or emails one sent to us from jordin jordin writes in and says -- That Samsung's -- of webos would be a great idea but He is from with webos was the crummy quality of the hardware that the software was on. -- to make great hardware for the webos platform. Further the sell off of touch -- has vastly improved webos is exposure and excuse potential new customers. Finally Android fragmentation is getting steadily worse. -- -- Samsung because you actually know how to build mobile hardware consider webos on galaxy class hardware. Chart independent in the next segment -- Tests. Thirds. I'm waiting for the -- hours -- complete Blu-ray sign -- good points all with a it -- -- Josh from Louisiana swamp -- in the chat room. -- -- mentioned that He watching you guys on the flat screen yesterday -- in the pre show and typing it out to be the details of my cord cutting experience. I love by the way we be getting so many of these stories -- L -- here's my card -- into custody tonight it is amazing there's still mean there's like a million is that it. It does I'm using an antenna to grab local digital and HD channels and a four year old computer tower upgraded to Windows 7 all -- to -- 32 inch LED from best buy. Windows media senator senator is probably one of the best looking interface -- out there and -- already integrated with my content on the computer. Plus they had an Internet TV into the interface the best part is my remote using an Android powered viewsonic G tablet. I found a free apps and software combo called unified remote on the Android market. Lets me is the tablet or iPhone as a mouse keyboard and windows media center remote but overall it works well it's easy enough that even my wife doesn't mind. And I can have some fun tech and -- but it. There's and subtle He says is the most important part yes and a shout out to Steven production quality and the show that a new levels since He came at Christmas. The thinker and on the -- before I forget a belated happy birthday and -- 500 in the town -- or rename yesterday. And I just -- we don't do birthday shout out stuff imaging is a long time -- -- how to -- and also a new belong tampered in the show a happy anniversary. To that said producer mr. Stephen. I eight it would wedding anniversary that weekend leading financial later we can I had taped ads against you certainly -- Don't Friday. -- Our -- now I see you know the sun comes this from Travis. A buzz there's been a lot of talk about sprint did in the next iPhone this year -- to be great for them but with nearly every report. -- basically a disclaimer of this'll probably end -- -- unlimited data plan. And I don't know why at this point truly limited data is all sprint has left they be better off not getting the iPhone and keeping unlimited plans at that point. Now when you look at it. It was in the iPhone that ended unlimited data. It was Smartphones -- popular in general and the Nielsen report showed that Android phones use more data anyways and that's almost all Sprint's lineup so. Sorry to call you guys out. But at least you're not alone the entire tech media sphere has been doing it and every time I feel like I'm just taking crazy pills on the show. I -- and for our part at least though we're getting that from a previous statements made by CEO Dan -- And I pulled up one where He told reporters just this July that sprint is taking steps to reduce its -- with requirements but -- Nothing is guaranteed forever and -- in response to a question about how will you be able to have to maintain. Unlimited plans indefinitely and and they of flat out said. We know there may come a time when we can handle the -- with but for now we're doing as long as we can. I think this points out you know to YA we should support AT&T T-Mobile merger with more pipes maybe they can bring back. Unlimited data death. At the picture I. They said they -- they should put that in their proposals well. There's a chance we might bring back of limited to yeah. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Anonymous I'll call him Saturday -- in and says I remember watching videos. That are naming anonymous people now added -- -- funny name. -- and -- I am go to Syria. That's I was thinking that -- serial rights and says I remember watching the news and it was talking about a new social networking platforms -- -- student called on think. They're marketed as a social media revolution the whole purpose of and -- is to give its users absolute freedom and -- -- a critical cyber dictatorship. 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She's wearing a shirt this is while the three. And think says we are not and other social network we are social revolution. And then you can get an invite code from -- think corporation. You know it's -- that this this is all done in one shot. Our manifesto she says we've been waiting for things to change we are not waiting anymore. You know no matter how did this and think social hour is on -- don't have time that a third one I guarantee the fact that I guarantee. This is not. This is answered her. You Ayman -- -- its money on the fact that this is coming from some company. If not a fad but probably company will you know they -- -- submit your email address -- -- you know -- about. Knew when -- think solution -- is launching if you -- getting more spam. It's probably could sign up for the hill entered an analyst I -- At ally in element of -- and -- -- -- exactly and McCullough that it is He then bit news.com reporter extraordinary you like the best. 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