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The CNET Live team share their scariest tech stories, including hair-raising tales of emptied bank accounts, FBI surveillance, and a Windows 98 nightmare.
[ Music ] ^M00:00:10 >> Coming up on CNET Live, a show that it's not for the faint of heart. We're talking scary, scary tech show. >> Plus, I will take you thousands of feet in to the air, twice. >> Whoa. >> CNET Live starts now. ^M00:00:24 [ Background Music ] >> It is Halloween week. [ Laughter ] >> That's all you'll get out of me too. >> As if this show is not scary enough for an ordinary week. >> Where is your costume? >> I'm -- thank you I mean it. I'm Brian Cooley. Here with Dr. Tom Merritt. He's in a doctor costume and of course joined by the scariest of them all. >> Aha. >> Alright. >> That' like Home Alone face. Sorry. That was scary. That was scary. >> Isn't enough with the lawn wolf. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> You know how this works. You call, we answer, or make a reasonable facsimile attempt to do so. >> Don't forget when you pick up the phone now and call, Christine will answer. >> Yes. >> So don't be worry. Just -- she's just trying tell the things you need to get on the air and then we'll try to take your question and give you our best help we can. 888-900-CNET. Now before we take any of your calls, a little something different this week. [ Background Sound Effect ] >> Our Halloween Week Special. We'd like scary tech stories. >> Whooo. >> Okay because it's Halloween eve, we will sit around you today, John. About this week show and we realized, we've got some scary tech stories amongst us, none better than the one that we were told by Christine whom you talk to when you call on the phone. So, Christine tell us -- tell them what you told us about the scariest text story I think we've ever heard. >> Well, about four years ago, I got a phone call from the FBI Cyber Crime Unit turned out this guy gone out with like two times a year before had set me what -- but a Halloween eCard and then that card there was a Trojan virus. Meanwhile, he had a keystroke logger and was watching everything I did online. Everything from Emails and checking my bank account, it was really scary and then what happen was, all that was going back to the guy who made the virus and that proved -- and that's who the FBI was looking in to. So they had to come to my house, go through my computer. They had printouts of actual Emails that I'd written, you know, thoughts and feelings you don't want anybody but the recipient to see and, of course, you don't want anybody seeing your bank account statement and I had to sign an affidavit and save it, this was not my permission it was really, really scary. >> That has to be the creepiest tech story I've ever heard. So she had a Trojan keylogger and screen logger going to the guy the ex-bf who sent it to her. Going to the guy who sold him the Trojan, everybody got screwed to this one. >> Except the FBI. >> Right. >> They ended up making a nice caller. >> Now, you know, this is really important actually because we always tell people, don't open attachments. >> Yeah. >> Be careful sites you go to. >> The vcards are creepy. >> But this is coming from a trusted source. >> Exactly >> That's always the exception unless you know who it's from. >> Yeah. Well. >> In this case, you knew who it was from. >> Let's change the rule unless you know and trust-- >> Yeah. >> Who it's from. >> Okay. Brian Tong, BT from the nook. You are telling us a good one. It's kind of a like tech meets social behavior. >> [Laughter] Yeah, well, it scared me basically I was playing a rock band with a friend of mine around 2:30 at night and I also -- and I hear this huge knock in the doors. It's like uh-uh-uh and we're like, "What the hell is going on?" So I'm like -- you know, this is late at night. I walked out to the door and I opened it really slowly and there are two police officers and like, "What's going on in there?" And then I kind of opened the door all the way and revealed the fact that I have a rock band, guitar on my body, show them the screen-- >> I think you have a band [inaudible] [laughter] [simultaneously] >> Then they tuck me and sprayed me with maze. No but-- >> Can you just replay one detail, what time was this? >> I think it's like 2:30 or 3 o'clock on a weekday. I think, it was Tuesday. >> I'm so glad I don't live in his building. Are you kidding? [ Laughter ] >> You're jamming rock guitar all the way up, right? >> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's how we do it. >> So mind that's kind of this intersection of technology and -- back on the day when those ATM cards with MasterCard logos first to recommence about 10 years ago. I have one of those. I go to have brunch somewhere, I pay with that card but the time I got from San Francisco where I had brunch down to Menlo park about 45 minutes away from the city. I had no money in checking and no money in savings, everything gone. I mean cleaned up on a Sunday you know. It's like, whoa, whoa, what has happened? It turns out that because it was a MasterCard ATM card, it has all the benefits of a credit card which means you can use it without being present and without having two part authentication, in other words-- >> Oh that's nice. >> Phone and mail order and it has all the downsides of an ATM card. It instantly cleans out your account unlike being billed of the credit card and back then, the bank which I won't name had a 21-day investigation policy so I have to wait three weeks for them to realize it was a fraud and give me my money back. That's the long dry spell. >> That's your own precursor to the current financial crisis, by the entire meltdown yeah. >> Right and my own little mean world. Since then, I only carry ATM cards that don't have a MasterCard logo. You can call your bank and tell them you want that which means it will not have a MasterCard number sequence and can't be used as a credit card. I would recommend it. >> You know, I pretty much don't have anything even close to what you all have. >> Really? >> All my scary tech stories I could think of have to do with operating system crash because that's when I just get freaking angry. >> Boy, that's scary. >> I cannot stand it when they--when the computer doesn't work. Yeah when it gets-- >> Yeah? When is that? >> Like one time, my girlfriend put autoexec.bat, in the autoexec bat. So the outcoming being that the Windows computer just kept going into autoexec bat and relooping. That's right. >> Yeah. >> That's a little joke but the story I was gonna share was when I--in 1998, Austin, Texas, I bought Windows 98, installed it over Windows 95. Host of the computer could not boot into Windows. >> At all? >> It would just go to nothing. So you couldn't get in and diagnose anything. >> Nothing? >> Couldn't do a darn thing. I actually got to my wits end and called--this is before Geek Squad, but I called Computers on Wheels or something. >> Yeah. >> Some guy, I paid some guy 50 bucks to come out and give me a little hand. >> Dr. Tom Merritt had to call in paid supports? >> First and only time. >> Wow. >> He couldn't fix it. His solution after the 50 bucks was go back to Windows 95. [ Laughter ] >> So after he left-- >> You could have thought of that. >> Yeah. I was like well, that was a waste of 50 bucks. I won't try that again. I went ahead and just reinstalled Windows 98 Clean. Worked fine. It had all my data. >> Greatest lesson of all. >> Yeah. >> Hmm. >> Get back to a Clean. Alright. Good scary stories. By the way, if you've got a scary tech story, you can add that in when you come on the phone here and on the show at 888-900-CNET. Now, let's get to some of those calls. Let's start off right at the top with Jim in Florida who's been waiting so patiently. He's got some Firefox questions for us. Hello, Jim. Welcome to CNET Live. >> Well, thank you for having me. I've got a brand new little computer here. It's an ASUS Eee PC, the 900A series. >> Hmm. >> And the thing works like a dream. I really like it a lot and although it has Firefox 2 and I can't--I don't have enough room in here to download 3 and install that, but my issue is, is I watch you guys on CNET TV everyday and whenever I go to this--the particular page, your drop down menu falls behind your video 'cause I know you're all in flats there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So how do I fix that? >> You guys got any ideas on this? >> BT, you got some on this right? >> Yeah, Jim. Just heads up. Are you running Linux on that laptop? >> Yes. >> Okay. So we thought so because did a little digging and we talked to our Senior Product Manager. His name is Justin and with Linux and--on--running on Firefox with our site, the menus are, you know, going behind the flash and so, we are working on that. We know about it. So it's not you. I guess you could say it's us right now. >> So wow, that's actually a CNET mea culpa. I wanna congratulate you Jim for the first one of those I think I've ever heard on this show. It's our problem. That's kinda cute. >> But we're work on--we're working on the bob. We're fixing it. >> We are working on that and we'll let you know when we get that cleared, I would definitely put something out. Okay. So Jose in New Jersey, question about WiFi hotspots. Jose, welcome to CNET Live. >> Hi. >> What's on your mind? Yeah, I would like to know how to add a hotspot like Starbucks and McDonalds have, that people have to register before they can access the internet on my network. >> Interesting. Alright. So what kind of business do you have? I'm just curious. >> Motel. >> Oh, you got a motel. Okay. And are you gonna charge for this access or just--they just have to have a password to log in? >> They just have to have a password. >> Okay. That's pretty straightforward. You can do this actually with a consumer router because you go into the set up on Linksys or, you know, Net Gear Router. They all have this and there's user authentication. So you've gotta log in for administrator and everyone should have that locked down with a user and a password. But what a lot of folks typically don't do and often they should is set up user accounts so you can set up multiple ones where you have a user name and password. You'd give that out to your guest. Now consumer routers are not set up to have a registration database front end where you can have everybody sign in and set up their own name and password. So if you wanna have that, that's getting into a commercial product that we don't normally deal with but if you just wanna have the log in that you give to every guest or maybe a few of them that you change once in a while, that's easily done by going into user access under the administration menu of any consumer router. >> Now, there's a couple of links I'll throw in. There are some services that you can pay like around 400 dollars or so for--that will like give you all that kit. All you have to do is plug it in and then run it yourself and then there's a great how-to at howtoforge.com. If you use open WRT which is a third party firmware for Linksys router, it's similar to the Tomato router that I did in the Insider Secrets video, on supercharge a router and then you combine that with a couple of other things like Chili Spot for LAN management, Free Radios and My Sequel, all free stuff. You can cobble together your own if you got, you know, if you get a little DIY sensibility. >> And that'll be--and that database functionality gives it a real log in setup your account functionality for each user. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So that's getting more sophisticated. So there's 2 levels you can go depending on how much you wanna control the access to your WiFi Hotspot. >> Alright. I'll throw those all in the show notes of blog.cnettv.com. Some people go to blog.cnet.com and they can't find the show notes. >> It's really complicated. >> That's why. Coming up, we'll have the video questions plus more of your calls but first, nothing scary about HP's latest little laptop. Dan Ackerman really digs it. [ Music ] >> I'm Dan Ackerman, Senior Editor at CNET.com and we are here taking a look at HP's new Mini 1000. Now if you're thinking that HP is getting into the Netbook game a little late, they've actually had from their commercial business division a model called the Mini-Note 2133 that kind of looks a lot like this. This new version keeps what we like most about that 2133, namely the kind of wide screen display and this big gigantic keyboard and this cool kind of elongated touch pad and updates it to an Atom processor and now, of course, it's made out of plastic so it's easier and that also brings the price down a little bit. So the display, it's a 10-inch screen. It's got that 16 by 9 aspect ratio. So it's nice and wide. It's got that edge-to-edge glass. Kinda like on the new MacBooks. It's a little glary but it's still kind of a nice sophisticated look for a Netbook. The keyboard is a real star here. This thing is just gigantic. It's almost as big as a regular full sized keyboard. They managed to squeeze that in because the system is a little bit wider than most other Netbooks. Definitely, the easiest to use, best Netbook keyboard we've seen by far. They've kinda taken the touch pad and done the same thing, stretched it down a little bit, put the mouse buttons on the left and right rather than above to save a little bit of space. It works fairly well. You might wanna turn up the sensitivity a little bit because you don't have a lot of top to bottom space on the touch pad. Not a lot of connections on the Mini 1000. You've got 1, 2 USB ports. Actually, you have an SATA port which is nice. But instead of the separate headphone and mic jacks, you only get one jack that you have to set for either headphone or mic use. Unlike a lot of other Netbooks that have small solid-state hard drives, this guy, you can get your choice of a couple of different sizes of regular platter-driven hard drives. It gives you more space but we prefer the solid state for the heat, the weight, for the reliability. So that's probably the one thing we're not crazy about. Overall though, with the gigantic keyboard and the wide screen, it's definitely one of our favorite Netbooks. I'm Dan Ackerman and that's the HP Mini 1000. [ Music ] >> Alright. >> I like the look of that to be honest. >> Yeah. >> I do. Big keyboard on a small machine always gets my attention. >> Alright. Let's go from that to video questions. You could send your video question, just the links to, then upload it somewhere on the web, CNET Live at CNET.com. This one comes from Franklin in New York. [ Background music ] >> How you doing out there? I had a quick question. I have a MacBook that is running Leopard and I also have one of those Mobile Trio. I'm interested in tethering a signal from my Trio to my MacBook. Is this possible? If so, I'd love some guidance. Thank you so much and you have a great day. >> Alright. >> This is the old and oddly named dial-up networking connection which hasn't been done for many, many years but it is still called dial-up networking when you tether. >> Well yeah because--'cause the way Windows used to handle stuff was through the dial-up networking. >> Yeah. >> You did your VPN that way. You did everything through the dial-up networking. >> And still notice that so when you're looking for this or if you're looking for solutions and you're Googleing for further details, it's called dial-up networking even when it's a blue tooth connection from a cellphone to your laptop. >> Kinda similar to-- >> There is a dial panel on the phone. >> I mean yeah, yeah on the phone. Anyway, we got a couple of ways. There's a video on this. Use your blue tooth cellphone as a modem. Rich DeMuro did this video a while back but it's a Mac. I think it's a Tiger Mac, not a Leopard Mac with a Trio. >> Close. >> So it's exactly what you wanna do. We'll throw a link to that in the show notes as well as you found a Peachpit article that goes into some good details. >> Yeah, go--a really good detail piece if you wanna step through. I know sometimes you wanna go through text on one of these and be able to go at your own pace instead of or in addition to watching our video so you can find that and Tom will get that up on the show notes as well after today's show. Let's get back in to, actually, let's take a quick break and then we'll be back with our Download of the Week here on CNET Live. ^M00:14:26 [ Commercial break ] ^M00:15:02 >> Hey everyone, I'm Molly Wood, host of CNET TV's Mailbag. Here at the Mailbag we love to read your letters and emails, the lover mail, even the hater mail. And apparently, you like it too 'cause when we tried to make the show biweekly, boy, did you raised the seats! So we're back to every week and you can all just calm down but don't stop writing in 'cause I need you, bad. >> Look for the new edition of Mailbag every Wednesday at CNETTV.com. [ Music ] >> Okay, back to CNET Live. I'm gonna put down the brown liquor [phonetic]. We blew right over a section of your call so we're gonna do a double back right now and get back into 'em. >> Where's the brown-- >> Where's the brown-- >> I got it! >> Let's go to Gill. Is it Gill? >> Gill, Indiana? >> On line 3 is that right? >> Hello Gill! >> What can we do for you today, Gill? >> Okay. I need your gentlemen and it's an honor and pleasure to be on the show. I love the show by the way. >> Honor and pleasure to have you, thank you so much. >> Alright. Now couple of weeks back you guys showed demo of the Smart Defrag Software. >> Yeah, you're having a problem with Smart Defrag, right? I think it was Cooley that showed it, right? >> Yeah, that was it. >> Now I'm sorry to hear that. What's going on? >> My problem is I can't remove it from any Windows XP machine I've installed it on. I would install it, works, yeah, like a charms, up and you guys you show, of course, perfect in terms of speed, awesome, yeah. Then I tried to remove and guess what, it's popping up in the little tray icon in the bottom on XP on service sites 2 and 3. >> What version of Smart Defrag did you get? >> The one that was available-- >> Is it 3.1 or 4.0? >> It's 4.0. >> Okay. I've got a forum posting from IObit, the makers of Smart Defrag, where some folks were having problems on installing 3.1 and found some solutions for it that I will put in our show notes as well. One of the most promising was a program called Revo Uninstaller. This is like uninstaller on steroids. We've given it a 5 star rating at Download.com, if you still trust us after Smart Defrag [laughter] and it goes in and can go into the registry and makes sure it removes things. It doesn't get stopped by like a corrupted or missing registry entry which is probably what's happening to you here. That can also--I don't know if you tried CCleaner out before. >> No. >> That's another one. They're both free. So, I have never used Revo Uninstaller but that's what folks in forums say they've had success with so you could try that. It's Revouninstaller.com or try CCleaner if that doesn't work, but yeah, sorry to hear that. But apparently you're not alone. There are other reports of people having issues on installing Smart Defrag. >> So that's the good news. You aren't the only person having a problem with something that we have recommended heartily. Let's go on to some more of our calls. Gary is in New York and waiting patiently with a question about laptop. Gary, welcome to CNET Live. How can we help you? >> Hi Tom, hi Brian! I just have a quick question. I am looking to get a desktop replacement laptop and I was just--and I have 2 choices, the Sony AW series or the HP HDX18. >> Okay, let's see. HDX18, we do have a full review on it on CNET. Just for folks to know, we give it about 3 and a half stars which in our new system is very good. A 9 for design, an 8 for features, a 7 for performance so it's a little more of a looker than it is a runner if you know what I mean. The AW series, I don't see a full review yet but comparing the specs depending which AW you're looking at, we're looking at a 2.2 Core Duo. Four gig of RAM in the configurations that I'm looking at here which I like the generous RAM a little bit more than the increased clock speed of the CPU on the HP which I believe is a 2.8 gigahertz. Again, it's depending what you're actions are but the HP we think is an outstanding multimedia desktop replacement but the Sony has raw specs that I like a little better. >> 1080p for a full HD playback. >> Yeah, you gotta like the 1080p, right? >> So we're talking about the cost difference here too, right? I mean it looks like that Sony starts at 16.95 up to 22.99 and then configuration starting at 13.99 for the HP. >> What are you seeing in terms of the real world prices for your configurations? Are we talking about them being similar in price? >> Yes, kind of I was looking to get the lowest end model of the AW series and/or the customized version of the--I mean the recommended configuration of the HP HDX18. >> Yeah, alright. So they're gonna be pretty close in price it sounds like. You know you got 2 good machines you're looking at. I don't have a full review though on the AW yet that I see so if you're not in a huge hurry you might wanna hold up and see if we can get one of those posted because this looks like--the AW is a bit pretty fresh product, is that right? >> Yes, it is. >> Yeah. So I really wanna see a head-to-head review out of our labs and I can't provide that to you yet. So-- >> Safe choice is the HP, but we can't say for sure until we get a full on review. >> Yeah, I mean these are both great machines, so you're not gonna go wrong with either one. >> Alright, folks. You know what happens when we answer a call, that line goes free. So, give us a call, 888-900-CNET, 888-900-2638. We got 3 open lines right now. Time now though for the download of the week. ^M00:20:22 [ Music ] ^M00:20:27 >> Download of the week is brought to you by our free friends, they're free. Friends are now free too. >> How about those [inaudible] and the friends I pay for. I have too many of those. >> It's tough. Yeah. >> You know, seriously I got too many of those too. This is called flight gear. >> Uh-hmm. >> I discovered this for the download. >> Can this be uninstalled? >> I'm actually gonna make this full screen one. >> Just curious. >> So, hold on just a second-- >> Here we go, it's gonna be crazy. >> --while I move in and zoom this thing. There we go. >> Zoom that damn window. >> That you get a full flight simulator open source and free, full of enthusiasts who love to try out this sort of thing. So, this isn't you are like, "Oh, I press 9 and take off and then go left and right." >> Yeah. >> Like you have to get in and you have to turn the thing on. You actually have to move the throttle over to start. You have to give it enough gas. Let me turn on the volume here so we--Give it enough gas so that it starts to move. I can see the throttle stick down there just starting to go. >> There is your RPM coming up. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Here we go. >> I got to pull that stick back. >> Oh, you're gonna drill a hole on the background, aren't you? >> Yeah. Oh yeah. >> Oh, boy. >> This is real flying. I mean, it took me a while to get this thing in the air. I probably not gonna be able to do it while I'm talking here anyway [simultaneous talking] but you get to choose from a lot of different--you get to choose from a lot of different planes. I'm flying out at Moffat field right here. >> Oh, right down the Silicon Valley. >> They've got fields from all over the world, all the over the United States. >> So, this is a straight ahead flight simulator. >> Yeah. >> It's not a game. It's a flight sim-- >> Yeah, this is a real honest to goodness flight sim-- >> --in the purest sense. >> This is nice. >> --and I'm about to crash. >> Well, level that. Come on. You're gonna stall. But, you know, here we are. >> But you could see and you've got the turn coordinator. >> Yeah. >> You've got the altimeter. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> You've got a very clever air frame number there. I like it. >> We got all of the normal things that you would have in a real plane so-- >> This is outstanding. >> This is almost a trainer. There we go. >> And bam! Here we go. Ouch. That hurt. Okay. Well, Tom is getting bandaged up from that little unintend--What do they call it? Unintended contact with the ground is the euphemism for an air crash. It's time for another video question. Again, put your video up on either sharing sites. Send us a link and we'll integrate you in the show soon. But this one comes in from Tim right here in California. >> Hi guys, here is my question. In the email client such as Outlook, Outlook Express, Thunderbird or any other email client today, they have junk mail folders that hold junk mail or parts of junk mail directly into those folders for me. My question is, do I need to keep the junk mail in the folder to make junk mail filter effective? What if I was to delete that junk mail or the junk mail from the folder and there was nothing to match it up against, would it still be effective? Thank you. >> That's actually a good question. >> Yeah, that's a great question. >> You know, when you look in that junk mail folder, you will get to wonder, well, how does it get there, right? Well, what he already understands and a lot of people may not know is, is there's a filter there that learns what's junk mail by what you say is junk mail. So, if you go into junk mail and say that's not junk mail, it learns from that. If you're in your regular inbox, you know, like this is junk, it learns from that. But what it does is it creates an algorithm in a file. So, you don't have to keep the junk mail around anymore. >> Right. >> It's already scanned it. It works like an MD5 hash, essentially, if you know what that is. In fact, it might even be an MD5 hash, I'm not exactly certain. But it's a Bayesian filter that learns. And you can empty that junk mail without affecting the status of your filter. >> Yeah, it doesn't need to keep those as literal samples it's comparing to all the time. It's comparing to the signature database, and that's a much more efficient way because otherwise, you'd have this infinite junk mail folder which would get pretty unwieldy pretty quick. Let's get another call in here. I want to go talk to Hollister [phonetic] in New Jersey 'cause he has a question that we get all the time. Hollister, welcome to CNET Live. What's on your mind? >> How do I downgrade the Windows Vista to XP? >> Boy, if I had a nickel for every one of those calls we get. I gotta ask you what your situation is. You've got Vista now-- >> Yes. >> --did your machine come with Vista factory installed or did you put it on there? >> It came with factory install. >> Okay. So, this is both fortunate and unfortunate I think you're gonna find is you have to get a copy of XP. >> Yeah. >> You've got to go find one that is a standalone. Do you have that? >> Yes, I do. >> Okay. And is it a full product or an upgrade? >> No, it's a copy like--I had a computer with Windows XP. >> Yeah. >> And it's all like copy--I made a Windows XP and I used this-- >> So we're in a--we're in a EULA gray area. Forget that. We're in a EULA violation area, right? You can't take a copy from another machine and install it on another processor. >> No. >> Sure. Sure you can. >> You can? >> You can, as long as you've uninstalled it from the other processor. >> Yeah. >> Unless it's an OEM. If it's an OEM, then it's tied to that machine and you can't put it anywhere else legally. >> Right, so is this--the copy of XP you had, do that come preinstalled on the old machine? >> Yes, and I made a--you know, Windows XP. >> Yeah. >> Well, you're not supposed to do this. It might work and it might not because it's supposedly as tied to the old machine's processor ID. It's one issue. >> Well, let's go ahead and say, "Okay, you're gonna go and do the right thing and get a copy of XP, where do you go from there? >> [Inaudible] then you take that copy of XP and you burn down Vista, [laughs] it's just that simple. I would do a clean install. I think you had to do a clean install? >> Yeah you do. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> You had to format the drive. >> Yeah you gotta format the drive-- >> Back up all your files. And actually you know what I would do? I would do the vista transport thing and send the files off to a drive. >> The external hard drive or something. >> Yeah, and so that you've got it all in that one nice neat place and then you're gonna have to format that drive. >> Yeah, and then format that drive down to the very bit level, redo the partition just to make sure it's really clean 'cause I think we've had a couple of calls where some Vista remnants hung out in there and caused issues with what they thought was a clean install. >> Yeah, watch the partition. >> Blow out the partition and reestablish your primary partition on the drive, then install XP from a boot of the CD ROM and off you go to the races. So, good luck with that. >> You know John Wilkinson in the forums, it's at Forums.CNET.com, has a great step by step on all of these-- >> Oh excellent. >> I'll throw that link in the show notes as well. >> Excellent. >> Earlier this week I got to do something I never thought I would ever do. >> You've been drinking for years. >> No, not that. There were no explosions. Take a look [ Music] >> Airships, dirigibles, blimps, zeppelins, whatever you call them, they have an almost archetypal place in our culture. But they're rare in the air and exist as a means of transportation mainly in science fiction and history books until now. >> Airship Ventures hopes to revive the zeppelin as a means of transportation, at least recreational transportation. >> The majority of people that fly will be doing so to celebrate something like a birthday or an anniversary or having got a new job or something. They will get the most incredible vistas from that airship, the 360 degree views that you can get from the windows are like nothing else that you will experience in any other type of aviation vehicle. >> So in this society of cramped airplane flights, what's a riot in a zeppelin going to be like? >> So, I imagine zeppelins as being sort of this 19th century oak, brass, luxurious sort of something out of a [inaudible] or novel, what's your zeppelin like? >> Well, this is a new technology zeppelin which means you're gonna find carbon fiber and Kevlar and aluminum and not very much in the way of oak and walnuts and so on. Actually oak and walnut is pretty heavy and the key thing that matters on an airship is payload as weight, so you want to make the structure as strong but as light weight as possible, because then you can carry as many people as possible. >> On board, you'll find a layout similar to a small aircraft, a typical flight console with a few customizations, a window that opens and a lavatory with a view. But why zeppelins? Are they safe? >> Well the Zeppelin NT has a 100 percent safety record. The ship or one of the ships has been operated in Germany since 2001. We have so far flown 85,000 paying passengers with a 100 percent safety. >> The flight lasts one to two hours and costs 500 dollars. Who's gonna pay for that? >> Well, the phones are ringing so there are plenty of people that feel that this is a unique luxury experience on 500 dollars for the experience of a lifetime, kind of seems okay. >> Airship Ventures hopes to start flying from three locations in the San Francisco Bay area starting in November and then eventually move on to operations in other states including a plan to flight to the TED Conference in Santa Monica. Reporting from 500 feet supported by nothing but hot air. I'm Tom Merritt. [ Laughter ] >> Yeah, the hot air is in me. >> Right. >> Yeah I know that. >> Coal there is the helium of the-- >> Dirigible. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Loved that. That's a reference though. >> Oh thank you. >> I liked that. It was [inaudible]. Okay, time for our last call. Bor, be glad to get me off the set. Let's go to Martin who's in Montreal a.k.a Montreal with the question about iTunes. Hello Martin. Welcome to CNET Live. >> Hi, guys great show. >> Thanks. >> My question is I've got an iPod Touch with the remote application works great and I've got an AV receiver that's able to listen to MMF radio. I was kind of wondering if there's anyway, from my computer which has Windows XP, to basically stream what's playing on my iTunes on the computer and have my receiver listen to it like it was an internet radio station. >> Ladies and gentlemen I gave you Brian Tong. >> Yeah. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Martin so just to clarify. You just want to hear your iTunes music collection through your receiver when it's -- in a totally different room. Is that correct or not connected through-- >> Exactly but I saw a lot of tools that were able to stream the iTunes library but it seemed to me like it wasn't using iTunes which I would like to be using because I've got the remote application on my iPod Touch. >> Yeah, the probably the quickest and simple way to do this is and if you're familiar with the AirPort Express and your computer has -- is on the same network, you can actually plug in your speaker system to the audio input on the AirPort Express. Your iTunes on your computer, whether it's a laptop or your desktop will see it and then when you play your music, you have the option to choose that AirPort Express that has the speakers plugged in to them and stream your music through that way. >> Okay. >> Okay. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Good luck on that Martin. >> So that's all you need to do, just get in your AirPort Express, you're good to go. >> Nice that's a hardware solution that makes things come together very nicely. 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