Tech Culture: CNET Live: February 19, 2008
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Tech Culture: CNET Live: February 19, 2008

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iPhone jailbreaking news and home genetic testing. Spit please.

[ music ] ^M00:00:08 >> Coming up on CNET Live, your [inaudible] been talking about you, find out what it's been saying. >> Yeah dude, yours is telling how to [inaudible]. Plus the newest Google android phone. >> At least my [inaudible] can pronounce Google. Is it really magic? CNET Live starts now. ^M00:00:22 [ music ] ^M00:00:30 >> Welcome to CNET Live. I'm Tom Merritt, he's Brian Tong. Molly Wood with us as well. >> Hello. >> Hello. How's your little corner? >> Happy to be here. I like my nook, it's good and I'm getting kind of comfortable over here. >> Nice contrast of colors over there. >> The other Brian, Brian Cooley is in places unknown, as he usually is, a man of mystery. Great show today, we've got a very interesting guest, Linda Avey [assumed spelling], co-founder of Twenty Three and Me is here, explaining their product retail DNA kit. Time magazine named it invention of the year last year. >> Plug obviously guys, we're gonna take all your calls and questions as usual. But first it's time for the things that we Crave. ^M00:01:05 [ music ] ^M00:01:12 >> These are some of our favorite things from the Crave blog at crave.cnet.com. I'm gonna go with that Sprint Simply Everything plan they announced. >> Simply Everything. What's it about? >> Hundred and fifty bucks, so it's not like a super bargain or anything. But it gives you unlimited messaging, email, web surfing, phone calls, and laptop data. >> Wow, so you could just use it as a modem? >> Now that's a good question. I don't know about whether you just tether, or whether that means you get a card and it's all part of the plan. And of course the card has a five gigabyte monthly cap cause all those cards do. But you've got it all on one bill, and everything is unlimited except for the data on your laptop. >> That's pretty sweet. >> That's pretty nice, huh? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's very nice. Now what I've got a Crave, I don't know if you're a big gamer, but Street Fighter four is here. It came out this week, we can hear it through your computer, and it's just bringing back the old school Street Fighter with all these new revamped graphics, new characters, hot new features. I've been playing it like the past two nights. >> I actually played Street Fighter a bunch with like nephews and stuff. >> Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> You know? Cause they're totally into it. >> Look at the eye candy there, it's so nice, it is so nice. >> Yeah. >> Finish it, that's Mortal Combat. All right, there we go. So yeah. >> Anyway, I'll just play Mortal Combat. >> People that are gaming are gonna like that. >> Yeah, Street Fighter, it's something to Crave, absolutely. All right, time to take some of your questions right off the top. What's going on? You're making - >> Is it me? No, I think it's you. >> Oh it's more Street Fighter. Let me just close that, all right, and get to Staten Island. Andrew's on the line, hey Andrew. >> Hey. >> Welcome to CNET Live. What can we help you with today? >> I have an Asus Fire 1 and it doesn't have a CD drive. So I was wondering how I can run an operating system from it, I mean how to boot from. >> How to boot from it. Yeah, you can use a USB drive actually do that. If only Cooley were here to make fun of me for being able to tell you about this. But there's a good how to do about this on MakeTechEasier.com. I'll throw it in the show notes, blog.cnettv.com. And you essentially, you download the ISO, or if you have the ISO already, and you can unzip it, and you move it over to the USB drive. And then there's a program that they'll tell you about that you can download to kind of do a little bit of modification to make it bootable. And then you'll be able to boot straight from the USB drive. >> Oh, okay. >> So like I said, I'll throw that in show notes at blog.cnettv.com. Should we take another one? >> Yeah, let's do it. Line two we've got Mister Anthony from Staten Island. What's up Anthony? >> Sticking on the island. >> Turn your computer down Anthony, we hear ourselves in the background. >> We hear you, we hear you. >> Okay, yeah. My question is I have a Macbook Pro, and I heard that when you have a Mac, that at night Macs usually do maintenance tasks. The thing is I was wondering how I could make it do maintenance tasks at night without my laptop going to sleep mode when closing the lid. >> Okay, so there's kind of two things that we have for you. One thing, if you just want to keep the lid closed, if you do happen to have an external monitor, that will actually obviously keep the computer open, and you can you know, have that monitor's display turn off if you're kind of worried about you know, the display being kept on on your screen. But also Tom, he kind of dug up and found another little utility you could use. >> Yeah, this is a pain, I don't know why Apple doesn't allow a setting in preferences. But yeah, we were both digging around forever trying to find this. Did come up with something called Insomniax, with an X at the end. And this will disable sleep mode on the Macbook so that you can close that lid, and it will still be able to do its maintenance programs, or if you want to play some music and still have it coming out of the speakers without having the monitor open, you can do that. One thing to be aware of though, I think probably the reason Apple doesn't want you to do this, when you've got that lid closed, you're gonna have less room for the heat to dissipate. >> Yeah. >> So some people are afraid oh you might overheat your processor. I don't think you really run the risk unless you're doing something intensive with that closed. >> Well and certainly I mean I know that the Macs tend to run a little bit hotter than the Windows laptops, but every Windows laptop has the option to close the lid without the machine going to sleep, because they're better. But also then I would assume you don't have to worry as much about the heat. >> Yeah. I wouldn't think it would be a horrible problem either. >> She said it with a smile, yeah, she just wanted to do a little digging. >> Come on, that is absolutely - >> Hey we're not disagreeing, we're not disagreeing, we just like to dig. >> It really is. I do not disagree with you whatsoever. So hopefully that'll help you out Anthony. I'll put that link in the show notes as well at blog.cnettv.com. All right, let's sneak in a video question really quick. You can submit yours to us, upload your video to say I don't know YouTube [inaudible] something like that. Send the link to us, cnetlive@cnet.com, and we got one here from Joshua as an example. He has a question about jail breaking and iPod Touch. >> My question is would I be able to jail break my iPod second generation, and reboot it without having to enter in any command lines when rebooting it. I don't mind entering in command lines during the installation process, but, with the jail breaking process, but I wouldn't want to enter in a command line every time I reboot it. And while we're on the subject, would I be able to use apps from the App Store if I jail break my iPod touch. >> Okay, I guess you want to take the first part of that one? Tackle that one? >> Yeah, remember he's talking about the iPod Touch here. And with the iPod Touch second generation there is a jail break available, a jail break has been done by the iPhone dev team, but it's not widely available. You kind of have to dig around to figure out how to do it, cause it's not very easy. They want to put out a like super simple download solution like they have for the iPhone. So they're working on that right now. If you go to RedSn0w.pbwiki.com, that's snow with a zero in it, there's a really good FAQ that Caleb Mingle put together of all the different answers that they've given all over the web to all these questions you have. So if you want to know when that jail break's gonna come out, am I gonna be able to just download it and jail break it, will I be able to do this or that, I mean it is a long FAQ. Look at this table of contents, if we could pull that up. Every question you have about jail breaking the iPod Touch, you will find the answer for it right here. So we'll throw that in the show notes as well. >> Yeah. >> But suffice to say they don't have an easy solution for it yet, so you're kind of stuck with that command line thing for them. >> Yeah, and on the second part of your question, yes you can have apps that are from like the jail broken side, as well as apps that you've purchased from the iTunes store exist together, side by side, so you won't even have to worry about that. One thing though, because it's kind of an arm race every time they release new firmware, and you have rejail break your iPhone, if I recall right, sometimes it doesn't keep those apps that were there initially, and you have to kind of re-add them. >> Yeah, there's a few different solutions to being able to back up those apps, so then when you upgrade the firmware and rejail break, and sync it back, watch previous episodes of CNET Live for that answer. >> All right. >> All right. Coming up Linda Avey from Twenty Three and Me. But first, it was the talk of the GSMA mobile world congress show his week in Barcelona. HTCD debuted its new Magic. It's so hard to say, cause it's so magical. The second phone to use Google's Android platform is right here, and CNET UK got their hand on it, and I mean hand. Take a look. >> So here we are with the HTC Magic. We've been really lucky to get a go with it behind the scenes. As you can see, it runs on Android, and the interface is similar, exactly the same as the G1, except that on the, as you'll notice, unlike the T-Mobile G1 the HT Magic doesn't have a mechanical keypad. Instead you use this on screen keypad to type out all your messages, which we found it's okay to use, but it's a little bit fiddly. And annoyingly it won't work in landscape mode, so you can't do that thing that you can do on the iPhone where you tilt it around and the keypad automatically switches to landscape mode. On the back you've got a 3.2 megapixel camera, and then at bottom there's a USB port. Unfortunately there's no 3.5 millimeter headphone jack, which is really annoying, because it means that you can't plug in your headphones straight into it. In terms of the touch screen, it's really responsive. We found that it kind of is similar to the G1s, but because obviously you use it for everything, there's no keypad, it was really important that HTC made sure that this touch screen works really well. The web browser is the same as on the G1s, it's all done through Web Kit. And yeah, overall we found it really, really nice to use. >> So there you go. You can easily use it one handed, you can see that. >> Well okay, first impressions, right? The design is a lot nicer than the G1, but they don't have a headphone jack, you know, a 3.5 millimeter headphone jack. >> Not a standard one, yeah. >> So it's the second phone with Android that doesn't have it. ^M00:10:05 >> And everything else about Android is open. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's open source platform, it's open app store, anybody can write an app for it. What the heck is with the manufacturer - >> It's just the hardware, yeah, I don't get it. But what else, did you see anything else that you liked about it? >> You know, I missed the QWERTY keyboard on there, and it starts to be more comparable to the iPhone when you don't have the QWERTY keyboard, but it does have some interesting layout with Android that I knew was there, but it kind of stands out a little more because you have to use that interface all the time, you're not on the QWERTY keyboard. So I find that interesting. It seems a little bit more elegant than the G1. >> Definitely. >> But it loses the keyboard, so I'm not sure that it's any better. >> I'm kind of starting to wonder when we're gonna see more hardware manufacturers putting out Android phones. It almost seems like there's sort of an unofficial exclusivity happening between HTC and Android, and it might be because other platforms are already committed to OS's, like Symbian or obviously the Blackberry OS, that kind of thing. But I'm not that thrilled by these HTC handsets, I kind of want to see somebody else come and wow me with Android on a cool phone. >> I know LG announced a few, but it's still kind of vague when we're actually going to get to see them, other than say oh yeah they're coming. You know, cause anybody, I'm announcing an Android phone. Yeah, I can do that. All right, time for the Best of the Web. ^M00:11:16 [ music ] ^M00:11:21 >> Answering a question with this one this week. Someone wrote in whose name I forgot to put down, so I owe you something. I was wondering if you could recommend the best free way to remotely control my grandparents' computer in China. Also, could you please go over how to connect and operate it, etcetera. Well there's lots of different ways to do this, right. You can use VNC, get really technical and install that on both ends. There's Go to my PC, there's all different software ways to do this. But LogMeIn.com is actually the easiest to get up and running. Now it does cost money. You can do a free trial, and I think it's like twenty bucks a month, but if you get them on Log Me In, you're on Log Me In on the web, you're good. It's really easy to help someone on the other end. >> Yeah, I've never used this before, so. >> It's super easy. Raith [assumed spelling] Needleman swears by it, and it does cost money. So make sure that you could use it in all situations. For instance, here at CNET it's locked on the corporate network. So if you're gonna pay for the pay version, you know, make sure that you're gonna be able to use it in your company. But yeah, there's a free version that gives you some limited qualities. And it's a really nice interface, and the best part about it is that it's easy to help like grandparents, or people far away in China in this case, where you don't have an easy way to communicate with them. You just give them this URL, have them set up an account, and you're good to go. >> And another thing, it's Mac and PC compatible. >> Mm-hmm. >> So it takes care of both the platforms, which is nice. >> All right. Shall we get to some calls? >> Let's do some calls. What we have here, what like three? >> Yeah, let's go Antoine. >> This is our third person with the letter A in their name, it's a triple A show, I'm just trying to tell you. >> Good [inaudible]. >> Antoine, what's up? >> Hey Antoine, are you there? >> Yo. >> Yes, how are you? Great [inaudible]. >> Good to have you back on the show, what can we do for you? >> Well my friend has a Play Station 3 that he plays DVD's on, and it obviously converts it to a HDTV player, the TV. And I have my PC connected to my MDTV, and I was wondering if there's an application or some software I can use to up convert regular DVDs to my HDTV. >> Yeah, actually we get this question every once in a while. And the easiest solution is to download something like VLC media player, and then set your output resolution to whatever you want. If you want 720p, set the output resolution, as long as your video card can handle it, to 720p, and good software like VLC media player will do the up converting for you. Now there's a whole thread about this at videohelp.com that I found, where people have their own favorite ways. Some people say oh it's not true up conversion, if you want to do true up conversion you have to up convert the file itself. So you take the DVD, you rip it down, and you use something called video enhancer. So I'll throw that link in the show notes if you want to explore that. But essentially just getting a good video player, and setting your output resolution should be good. Say what? >> It's called VLC - >> VLC media - >> Yeah, just look up VLC media player. It's - >> Will it work with Windows 7? >> Yeah, it should. I haven't tried VLC on Windows 7, but it works in Vista. >> Yeah, so it should. >> So I'm guessing it will. >> Okay guys. >> All right. >> Cool. >> Thanks a lot, I appreciate it. >> Thanks Antoine. Let's move on to Chicago, Illinois. Hey Kenny, welcome to CNET Live. >> How you doing? >> What's up Kenny? >> Doing good. >> I got a question. Tom there did an Insiders Secret on the using a flash drive as memory. My question is when you shut the computer down, be it you know, hibernation or you reboot it, does it disable the settings on that? >> No, it doesn't disable the settings, although everything in the memory is gone. So you know, it's just a cache memory, so you're not gonna be able to store anything in there. I kind of compare it to RAM, but it's not RAM, it's cache memory. But it's something where you don't want to rely on it as a storage mechanism, it's just giving you a little bit of overhead. But the settings are saved, so it should be fine. >> Okay. And I have a second question if you have time. >> All right. >> Sneaking it in. >> I'm sorry. What's the easiest and best way to transfer DVDs and play them from an external hard drive? >> Molly Wood? Transfer your DVDs and play them from an external hard drive? >> What? >> I know you got the transfer the DVD part down, legally. >> I don't know what you're talking about. There is some software, right. Yeah, for a backup, what is the name of that software that I use, it's called, it starts with a V, I think it might be Views. Let me make sure. >> Oh is that like [inaudible], that's the player. >> Yeah, what is it. >> You just want to be able to get access to all the DVDs that he's ripped off and be able to play them. >> Yeah, and there was, yeah you know what? I'm gonna have to put that in the blog. Cause I can't remember, I have sort of suspended Netflix, but for a while I was trying to archive all the DVDs I owned, and then maybe the occasional Netflix one, and watch them from an external hard drive. But I can't remember the name of the software we were using, cause I haven't done it in a long time. I'll look it up though and put it on the blog. >> All right, yeah, we'll dig it up and put it in the show notes at blog.cnettv.com. Have I said that URL before in the show? >> Maybe probably, like three times already dude. >> All right, there's no excuse for you not finding that now. It's time to take a quick break, but we will be back with our guest Linda Avey from Twenty Three and Me. Stick with us. ^M00:16:32 [ music ] ^M00:16:37 >> Watch every game from the NCAA championship live online for free with NCAA March Madness on Demand. But please, use with caution. ^M00:16:46 [ music ] ^M00:17:04 >> When the biggest stars meet the biggest laughs, they come to Dave. The big show with David Letterman. >> Why are we laughing? >> I'm not sure. >> Weeknights on CBS. [ music ] ^M00:17:22 >> Welcome back to CNET Live. Joining us now is Linda Avey from the personal DNA analysis company, Twenty Three and Me. First off congratulations on winning the Time magazine something of the year, invention of the year I think it was. >> Invention of the year, yeah, thank you, it was a great surprise for us. >> So this is the product you get when you send it to the website, we'll get back to that in a second. What is all this about? What does Twenty Three and Me do? >> It's about getting access to your own personal genetic information, and then learning about what that means for you with the current knowledge that we have from the research community. So as a company, we provide you all the information we can about your genome on a very active basis, so it's very dynamic. >> It's a personal genetic test in other words. >> Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. >> So I sign up online, and I get, I fill out a form, and then you send me this box. >> Yes. >> And in the box is this little tube here. >> And it's upside down. >> Is it? Okay. >> Yes, there you go. >> So, and then I what? I just - >> You spit into that. >> I spit in that, and then I have to fill up to there? >> Well from the bottom line to the top line, so you just see this line riht here. >> Okay, I was thinking it was from all the way at the bottom. >> No that would be a lot. >> I'd have to drink a lot of water to do that. >> It's a fair amount, it's about two and a half teaspoons. >> Okay, so you get a lot of spit in there. And what, is it getting skin cells? Is that where - >> Yeah, it's getting all of the cells that are in your saliva, and then that goes off to a laboratory where they extract the DNA out of that saliva. And it turns out there's a lot of DNA in there that gives us enough to do the tests that we run. >> So yeah, I mean that's an interesting question. Everybody watches Law and Order or whatever, and they take the barest little bit of a hair. >> Right. >> And they do the DNA test on that. Is that realistic? Or do you really need a bigger sample? >> Yeah, the forensic test that they run requires a lot less, so there is some truth to that, although of course television likes to stretch things a bit. But with our service we require a fair amount of DNA because we do about six hundred thousand data points in your genome, so that means that we require quite a bit of DNA for that. >> So once you get the test run, then you send back a report, right? >> We don't send back a report. What we do is you log into your account online. So once you've set up your account, and the data comes to us, we link it to your account, so now you can use all of the tools, and all of the information that we have that have been kind of plugged into your genome. >> So we've got your sample report up here for Greg Mendle [assumed spelling]. >> Mm-hmm. >> I like the elusion by the way. >> Oh good, you got, not everyone gets that. >> Prostate cancer risk here for Doctor Mendle shows 24% to 18%, what does that mean? >> So based on what we know now, we have found some genetic markers. And you can actually click on that report and open it up if you want to, or click on the read more part of that. But the scientific community is researching people who have prostate cancer, and comparing them to people who don't have prostate cancer. These are called geno [inaudible] association studies. And they are finding some of these genes that are popping out that show an indication of increased risk, if you've got certain versions of the genes. We all have all of the genes, it's just that we have variations in those genes that can affect our risk profiles across many diseases now. So this is growing on almost a weekly basis, this knowledge. >> Now this is an important point, because I know, there was a lot of controversy, not just about Twenty Three and Me, but a lot of different companies offering these tests over whether people should trust them, whether you needed a physician to do them. Tell us a little bit about how you've worked to get licensed, and make sure that you're responsibly handing this information out.

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