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Tom and Brian celebrate CNET Live's one-year anniversary with champagne, balloons, and the show's first-ever guest, Justin Kan of justin.tv.
[ music ] ^M00:00:08 >> Coming up on CNET Live, it's a celebration. Our one year anniversary show. >> Oh there's a big surprise, I'll drink to that. >> And I'll join him. Help us mark this grand occasion, won't you? We've invited back our first guest, Justin Cann [assumed spelling] of Justin TV to do just that. And of course you're invited too. Give us a call. CNET Live begins now. ^M00:00:26 [ music ] ^M00:00:32 [ music ] >> Did you believe that he - >> Not at all. No, I can't. Serious man. >> This is our one year anniversary show, folks. Cheers to you by the way, cause you're the backbone of this whole thing. >> Yeah seriously, if you guys didn't call we wouldn't have a show. You deserve a little bit of this too. >> So nice work. >> Better stuff than this really. >> That's right. Triple eight nine hundred CNET, nothing changes as we head into year number two. We'll take your calls. >> 888-900-C N E T. >> Oh that's good. Can I recommend the Chaise Le Mojeree [assumed spelling]. >> From Madera, California. >> From Madera, California. Long known for its outstanding champagne cave. >> But enough about that. Let's talk about Cheryl who's waiting to take your calls. She's sitting there ready to screen ya, find out what your question's about. >> And look she's got, she's got her name, that's Kiron [assumed spelling] on the bottom of the screen. >> Got a little graphic there, makes a little noise. >> Makes a little swank or whatever. >> It was our birthday gift. >> That's right, you know, it's a - >> From executive producer, Mark Larkin. >> Little thing, little thing they do for us, it's nice. >> Signed the check for it, actually he didn't sign the check. >> But we'll take your first calls at triple eight nine hundred CNET. Let's show you a couple things we crave. ^M00:01:31 [ music ] ^M00:01:35 [ background music ] >> These are some of our favorite things from the Crave blog at crave.cnet.com. Last minute change for me. I was actually gonna do the Mattel classic football. >> That's very, very you. >> Yeah, which I love. >> Yeah. >> I can't say I don't love it. But then this got posted today. It is the WM2 watch phone. It's not our [inaudible], which is something I crave to work every day. >> Doesn't always work, kind of like your computer output. >> It's actually the WM2 watch phone. It's got a keypad in the wristband. >> Which is good ergonomics. >> Yeah. >> Because normally you're sitting there you know, trying to work this little tiny thing, and this way you've got a keypad that's facing you right off the bat. Plus you've got I imagine the ability to play media on this thing, because everything plays media now. >> Yeah, it's got MP3 player, it's got video player on it. I'd love to show it to you. >> I'm gonna pull it up right here on my machine. Give me a keyword. >> This is one of those first anniversary gifts. >> What was it called? What was the brand? >> It's the WM2, and the tag is, it's posted in fashion. >> Here it is, I got it, bingo. >> All right. >> Recovering on the fly folks, here it is. >> There we go. >> Okay. >> Isn't that nice? >> Looks really good actually, unlike most watch phones that have looked goofy. This one has a nice industrial design. Okay, there is the keypad on the leeward side I believe of the wristband. >> Yeah. Now it's got Bluetooth, it's got a gigabyte of storage like we said, it plays MP3 videos. >> Nice. >> So actually fairly versatile. >> Video, what do you think? >> I'm not gonna watch video on that thing. >> But a little clip if you're bored? >> Maybe if it's like a clip of your baby or something like that. >> Short clips, you're on the bus to work. >> I don't think you're gonna be watching television shows or anything like that. >> What's the price on this guy? >> Three hundred Euros. So that's what, a hundred dollars? >> That's four fifty. That's four fifty. Let me raise the price a little bit, and bring you up to something I'm craving right now, which is this guy. For one hundred thousand dollars even, the Porsche nine eleven Carera 4S - >> U.S. dollars. >> - Cabriolet. Real dollars. >> Um-hmm. >> This car we just shot the video on, it just went up in the last day or two on CNET TV. And I urge you to take a look at it, because this vehicle, you know, all the tech we love here, we cut right through that and got to what this vehicle's all about. An amazing driving experience. We had a great time on some of the most beautiful roads in northern California. You will dig this car. And if you're a manual gear shift fan like I am, this may be one of literally a handful of cars made today that has a good clutch and gear box. Because everyone does automatics now, or shiftable automatics and all that nonsense. This is a real shifting car, it is the best I have ever driven. So it's a pretty good shifting car. >> So what you're saying is this is, Porsche's still making good cars. >> They still make the original 911, buried in all that stuff. I mean this is, let's face it, for a hundred thousand dollars this is the very easiest way to tattoo D I C K on your forehead. But when you cut through all that crap there's a fabulous car in here. >> Birthday gift perhaps? >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Yeah. Okay. Let's do your calls. Triple eight nine hundred CNET. Where do you want to go first on anniversary day? >> I don't know. >> Let's go to, how about Joe. He's waiting with a MacBook Air, kind of a prize fight question here. >> All right. >> Hello Joe, welcome to CNET Live. >> Hey how's it going? Happy anniversary. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. What's your thing you're dealing with here? >> I'm pulled between a MacBook Air and the Sony Vaio. Cause that's, I'm almost thinking the new Sony Vaio is one of the mobile ones, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Now which one would you go with for performance and also style? >> Well you know you've got to just first of all reconcile what the MacBook Air is all about. >> Yeah, what about the Asus EPC or that new Hewlett Packard mini PC that just came out? >> No. >> Are those not stylish enough for you? Cause I like them better for what you get for the money, and what they can do. >> Cause Vaios are high price, and so is the Air. >> But if you're looking for style then - >> Not money, but would the HP be better than the Vaio? >> I don't know which model you've got in mind, let's take a look. >> There was a new HP announced, it's a competitor to the Asus EPC. >> Yeah. >> It's kind of the same as MacBook Air. >> I was looking at that one. Definitely not the Asus E. >> But I don't know which Vaio he's got in mind. >> What don't you like about the Asus? >> No, it's just the memory's not expandable. >> Okay. >> It doesn't have a hard drive on it, I mean a CE drive on it, does it? >> Well the Asus has an optical drive, the MacBook Air does not. >> You can't, now can I plug an optical drive into the, I can plug an optical drive into the Air can't I? >> You have one USB port on the MacBook Air - >> Yeah you do. >> - which you could use to run an optical drive off of it, but then you won't be able to put anything else in there like a mouse or anything like that. >> Yeah, but pretty soon you're gonna be hubbing that thing, and then all of a sudden you got a big bunch of stuff that defeats the idea of the Air. >> Yeah, cause you don't want to get into putting more, an extender on there. >> Nah, it makes no sense. If you're buying that machine, just don't buy that machine if you're gonna have a lot of peripherals hung off it. >> Yeah, you're supposed to reach over to another optical drive over the network. Or, I mean do you know you're gonna need an optical drive? How important is that gonna be? >> Yeah, I don't think the optical drive is more important. I'm going more for performance. >> Okay. >> And PC Magazine, it was between, well I was looking at the Air. But PC Magazine said that the Lenovo that was in price against the Air, and the Sony, they were the ones that came first. Which one would you pick between the Lenovo, the Sony, or the Air? >> I'd get the Lenovo. >> You'd go with the Lenovo? >> Yeah not, now again, I haven't done an up close prize fight type analysis. But knowing what I know about what Lenovo has done with their laptops, I'd probably give that one the edge, and then the Vaio, and then the Air. And Lenovo won our prize fight against the Air, I'm not sure how it comes out against the Vaio. >> Okay. >> Okay? So yeah, there's a lot to mull over there. But that's kind of our gut and some of the things we would look at in making that choice. Let's try to squeeze in Bill, who's in Portland. A boot menu question. Hello Bill, welcome to CNET Live. >> Hey all, happy anniversary. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, thank you very much. >> So I have a question. I want to install, I have XP and Vista on my system, and I want to install Ubunto [assumed spelling] as well. Is it possible for me to configure the Grub boot loader such that I don't have to go through Vista's boot loader to boot XP? >> Yes. I was able to use Grub to dual boot Ubunto and XP on my Thinkpad. I didn't try putting Vista on there as well, so there's gonna be a wrinkle there. But one thing I want to throw out to our audience that's watching CNET Live, maybe you can email us firstname.lastname@example.org. I ran into problems where Grub was causing a boot loading problem with XP after I installed Ubunto. I did it where I put Ubunto on over XP and tried to have them dual boot, and I kept having issues where XP couldn't launch itself. I've been told that if you do it the other way, if you put Ubunto on first then XP, that works better. So I'm wondering if there's an order that anybody's hit on out there where you do Ubunto then XP then Vista, whether you run into any of those same issues. >> On my old laptop I had XP and then put Ubunto on and it worked fine. I was just wondering if I could put Vista, not have to go through Vista's boot loader, cause XP and Vista when dual booted you have to go through - >> Yeah. >> - Vista's boot loader to boot XP. >> Now theoretically you should be able to put Vista on its own partition. But that's the question I have too, which is if it messes with Grub, and if there's a better place to put it, whether you put it before you install XP, if you put it after you install XP. So we'll follow up, see if we get any emails from anybody who's done that. My guess is it's gonna be fine. But you know, I'm holding off until I find somebody's who's actually done it, cause there's always those unforeseen issues. Theoretically Grub should be able to boot all three, no problem. >> All right. Let's go to Mark in Chicago. We'll get back on that video in just a minute. Hey Mark, welcome to CNET Live. One year anniversary. Thanks for being here. >> Hi guys. >> How are ya? >> Good. I want to find out, is there any way of running ATI graphics cards on an nVidea based motherboard? >> ATI graphics on an nVidea based motherboard? >> Yes. >> So you're just gonna add an external card to an AGP slot for example. >> Yes. >> And defeat the on board nVidea that is soldered onto the motherboard, right? >> Yeah. >> That shouldn't be a problem. I mean a chip is a chip in terms of embedded graphics. You just disable that in your BIOS. Once you first install the new card, bring the machine up, run the drivers for the new card, and then typically, it'll vary card by card, but usually it works for me is then go down, bring it back up, go right into the BIOS, disable on board graphics then. And with any luck, and sometimes you got to do this, it'll always recognize the new add on card, and that becomes the default card, and it won't even really know it has on board graphics. That's how it should work with any chip, regardless of the brand. >> Okay, thanks. >> Okay, so try that out. But the key is to disable the on board graphics once you get the new card successfully running on there. Doctor Merritt where do you want to go for our next call? >> Let's go to number four. >> Number four, we've got Alex in Pennsylvania. Interesting, another cross platform. Big cross platform flavor today. Hey Alex, welcome to CNET Live. >> Hi. >> What's on your mind today? >> Yeah, I have a question about running OSX applications on Windows. >> Mm-hmm. >> Yeah, I don't really - >> Is it possible, right? >> Yeah, pretty much. >> Doctor Merritt. >> As far as I know, it's rather difficult. It's an odd one. >> It's kind of easy to go the other way, right? You're able to go Windows to OS ten. But running OS ten on Windows requires a little more development. >> Is there an emulator that does that? >> Windowsdevcenter.com, which is an O'Reilly publication, they've got an article on running Mac OS ten on a PC, which I haven't seen before. Apparently you can download the para PC power PC architecture emulator. This is for older OS ten. >> Yeah. >> This is not for Intel OS ten. >> Yeah. >> And then I'm taking some hard disc images and do it that way. So there is an emulator for the para PC. I have not, I've been looking for this. I have not run into an OS ten emulator for Windows. >> It's the kind of thing you would have done by now. >> Well maybe, you know, you like to make me sound more talented than I am. >> There's the Cherry OS, the first XP emulator it says here. And I'm just riffing off of E-home upgrade. And it looks like this is they say is the first XP based emulator capable of running Mac OS ten. Now that's running the whole OS, it's not quite the same as running just an OS ten program in Windows. So here it's kind of installing the Mac OS as a shell inside of, I got it right here, here's the Cherry OS product here. So I don't know. >> Cherry OS. Does that do Leopard now too? >> Doesn't say the versions in detail. >> There's also Soft Mac Gemulator, which I have also not tried, but you might want to give that a look, at emulators.com. They do an OS ten emulator on Windows that they say runs on Vista now too. >> And now there's where the Cherry OS uses pirated Apple code, so you might want to avoid that one. >> The other place to look would be Code Weavers, cause they're good at being able to like take Windows stuff and run it inside of Linux, or run it inside of OS ten. They might have something as well, so take a look at them as well. >> All right Alex, try that out. There's a couple of directions for you to go. Let's sneak Steve in here from the big one, New York City. Hey Stevie, welcome to CNET Live. How are you? >> Good, I just want to say congratulations for your one year anniversary. >> Whew, we made it, thanks. >> Yeah. I also want to thank you real quick for having your first episode on my birthday. >> Ahh. >> Our pleasure, and your pleasure. Congratulations, happy birthday and all that. >> Yeah. >> So what do you got on your mind today you need help with? >> I was just wondering about like the goods and bads of Vista. Like I got that for my birthday last year. >> Yeah. >> And I just fell in love with it. But I was wondering why a lot of other people are having problems with it. >> Did you get a copy of Vista that you upgraded your machine to? Or did you get a new computer with Vista on it? >> I upgraded my computer to Vista home premium. >> So he took the hard road. >> You got lucky. And I don't mean like everybody else in the world has had problems with Vista. But enough other people have - >> Yeah. >> - that you did get a little lucky. In other words you haven't had any driver issues, which is really one of the biggest problems that people who complain about Vista have had, where they just try to run their printer or their video card, and it just does not run in Vista. And Microsoft has even acknowledged that they've got this whole set of driver problems. Now supposedly Windows Vista SP1 fixed that for a lot of people, so anybody out there who is having issues - >> Yeah. >> - should download and install Windows Vista SP1, see if that fixes it for you. >> Okay, now let's get back where we were just a minute ago. We've got our video ready from Dan Ackerman, our laptop guru, who tells us about HP's entry into this red hot category of ultra portable PCs. Take a look at this. ^M00:14:33 [ music ] ^M00:14:37 [ background music ] >> I'm Dan Ackerman, senior editor at CNET.com, and we are taking a look at the HP 2133 Mini Note, this is part of a new category of laptops that we're calling mini notebooks. These are stripped down, low cost, low power laptops you can just stick in your bag and take with you anywhere, as opposed to ultra mobile PCs, or UM PCs, those are usually fifteen hundred to twenty five hundred dollars, they have slide up screens, they have touch screens. These are much more basic, usually well under a thousand dollars. But they're great for just web surfing and working an office [inaudible], basic stuff like that. Now the mini notebooks' DNA clearly comes from devices like the ASUS EPC, a super popular mini notebook from last year. And you can see that HP has really dressed it up, they've gone from plastic to a mahesium alloy shell, from a seven inch screen to a nine inch screen. One of the greatest developments of the mini notebook is actually this super huge keyboard on it, and it's almost as big as a full size keyboard, and obviously a lot easier to use than the little chicklet like keys on something like the EPC. Even though the Mini Note starts at five ninety nine for an XP version or four ninety nine for the Linux, you do get a lot of cool extras with it. There's a web cam, there's an express card and SD card slot, multiple USB ports. The keyboard is spill proof, and even the screen has a scratch resistant coating on it. There are a couple of things in the Mini Note that we're not crazy about. Intel has a new line of ultra portable CPUs coming out called Atom [assumed spelling], and these are low cost, low power chips that would be perfect for devices like this. This guy doesn't have that. It doesn't even have Intel's regular ultra low voltage CPU. It has a CPU from Via [assumed spelling], and we're not gonna kid ya, it's not a speed demon. It's actually fine for basic web surfing or working on Office documents, but try to do too much more than that and you're gonna get bogged down a little bit. We'd love to see a faster Atom powered Mini Note some time in the not too distant future. [ background music ] But thanks to its almost full size keyboard and full design, this is pretty much our favorite new pick up and go laptop. I'm Dan Ackerman, and that's the HP 2133 Mini note. >> So first caller, that was the HP Mini Note, that was the one I was talking to you. Kind of slick, maybe not as powerful as the Vaio though, but take a look at that one as well. All right. Very happy to welcome back Justin Cann to the show, our very first guest. Cheers, man. >> Thanks for having me. >> Thanks for coming back for our one year anniversary. It's gonna be a tradition now, we'll have to have you back every year. >> All right. >> So let's check in. Last time you were here you actually came in with a camera on, you were doing the whole life casting thing twenty four seven, I think we even have some footage of that to show. >> Yeah we were live from the studio. >> This was us doing that weird sort of meta I'm watching you, you watching me, live stream, live stream dual thing. There you are with the camera on the side of the head, but you took it off. >> Yeah. >> What made you take it off? >> After about six months we opened up the site to let anyone broadcast, and I decided you know, maybe it's time to step back and let others - >> Share the load. >> - happier day in the sun. >> All right. So that's what we've got going on now. Justin.tv is the website, and Live 105 here in San Francisco is up on the home page. Well there you are taking - >> Yeah, that's me taking a nap or something, yeah. >> But if we go to Justin.tv we can see what's going on now. So how many people have you got streaming on your site? >> Well there are over 30,000 broadcasters, and we have just under 500,000 viewers I think, registered viewers. >> 30,000 broadcasters. >> Yeah. >> So how does somebody get into broadcasting? They just - >> Well it's really easy, anyone can go sign up on the site and just click the broadcast button in the upper right hand corner, and get going in like one minute. You know, all you need is any camera and a computer with an internet connection. >> I was able to do that actually right before we went on the air. So I've got the MacBook Pro camera here. It's not a very flattering angle. >> Yeah. >> Which is maybe why they don't want to put it up, cause you can just see right up into my chin the way I have to have this thing. But it was really easy to sign up, there we go. Now we can have some more of that me watching you, you watching me thing. It's really easy to sign up though. You just put in a name, email address, and then if you have a camera on just say go and there you go. >> And start broadcasting. And then later you can customize your channel, you know, add friends, find other channels to watch, and you know - >> Well you've got some bigger names going on here too, right? I mean this is, like I mentioned here's Live 105, Magic Rich TV, what's that? >> Magic Rich is one of our broadcasters in the UK, he hosts this like interactive game show type of thing. See he's doing one right here with you know, people call in or video you know, chat in, and then I think they play trivia games and that type of thing. >> So you don't just have a bunch of people on and then they all do their own thing. You actually feature people. How do you decide what stuff gets up on the main page, or who you partner with, or that kind of thing? >> Well it's pretty easy, they just you know, people who ask to be featured generally we look at this stuff, and if it's interesting we feature them. We've had, we also do partnerships with various like bands and broadcasts, and like bigger name broadcasters, like the All American Rejects were on Justin.tv the other day, and then obviously they get featured. >> Who's the biggest act? Who's the most popular? >> Definitely the Jonas Brothers, which are the Disney band, like blown up in the past year. They were on the site and they're you know, a constant source of, people come to the site and say hey where are the Jonas Brothers? >> Are they, now do they live cast pretty regularly? >> No, they did a couple of broadcasts a couple of months ago, and that's really spawned this whole Jonas Brothers community on the site. >> Uh huh. And then what's the most interesting, or odd show that you've got going on? Cause I've seen some of these shows out there where people are just doing like ghost hunting. >> Yeah, ghost hunting is one big one, there are people who have shows that talk about the paranormal, there's one with this exorcist guy who you know, talks about like haunted houses and stuff like that. >> And they go in with the infrared cam? >> Yeah. Actually some of the ghost hunter guys have this sophisticated equipment where they have like infrared and night vision cameras, and they'll go like do this mobile thing, yeah. >> So you've got all of these people out here doing the same thing that you were doing when you started. Do you have any advice for them? What's one of the weirdest things that happened to you? You might want to say like hey if you're out there live casting, watch out for this. >> Well you know, it definitely taught me to like look at things in a very different eye. You know, like with the exposure of this angle like could I actually face this way? >> Mm-hmm. >> You want to always make sure that you're - >> You're always thinking like a camera. >> Yeah, exactly. It's like living your life on your camera. >> Yeah. It'd be like if Charlie over here was doing his job twenty four seven. >> Exactly. So you want to make sure that people can actually see what you're broadcasting. So what's clear to you might not be necessarily clear - >> What about etiquette? When you're out like in a bar or public place, what do you need to tell people? Do you need to point it out? I mean what - >> Yeah generally it's good to tell people what you're doing. And as long as you're broadcasting public you know, that's generally okay. But you know, I tried to ask people like, to make sure that they wanted to be on camera. Cause not everyone wants to be on camera, as big of a shock as that was to me. >> So how's it doing? I mean you said you got 30,000 users. It seems like you guys are doing pretty well now. >> Yeah. >> Now is this a viable company for you? Is this paying the bills? >> Well we're full time, and we have eight guys that work on Justin.TV now. We have an office you know, just a couple of blocks away from CNET actually. And yeah, it's our full time thing, it's kind of turned into this bigger website online. I think we just entered the top thousand according to Lexa [assumed spelling] yesterday. >> All right. Well congratulations for that. Where are you headed? What's your end game here? What do you hope, in another year when we have you back for the next anniversary, where do you want to be? >> Well pretty much just like I said I think last time, I want Justin.tv to be the place where people go to see live video online. And when you think of something live, like for example yesterday the torch - >> The Olympic torch relay here, yeah, yeah. >> - was in San Francisco, and there were several Justin.tv streams that would cover that, and you know, that were mobile and lied around, well right around this area. And so people who wanted to see that content online came to Justin.tv to see it, because that's where live video is. >> All right. Well thank you so much Justin for coming back. >> Thanks for having me. >> Appreciate it. Happy anniversary, cheers. >> Happy anniversary. >> We'll see you in a year. Yeah, thanks a lot. Coming up next we've got a download of the week to help you do some easy video editing and more of your calls. Stay with us. ^M00:22:32 [ music ] ^M00:22:48 [ background music ] >> Catch the baddest textploitation vids at cnettv.com. ^M00:22:51 [ music ] ^M00:23:13 >> Back to CNET Live. >> Brian's back in here. >> Welcome back to CNET Live. >> Thank you. >> All right. >> Good to be here. Thank you so much. >> We need your calls, 888-900-CNET, 888-900-2638, is there even a line open? Yes there is. >> There is. >> So get on the stick quick. Time now for the Download of the Week. ^M00:23:29 [ music ] ^M00:23:33 [ background music ] >> Download of the Week is brought to you by our good friends at CNET's Download.com, preparers of free spyware free, I almost said videos. There might be some videos on there. >> Probably are. >> But mostly we're talking about the software in this segment. They actually busted, I have to say big thanks to the folks at Download. They busted their buns to get Avid Emux [assumed spelling] up on Download.com cause I just discovered it this week. And they were able to get it up in time so you can download it directly from Download.com. >> You know it's fresh cause it's a great program I'm sure, and it has zero downloads so far. >> Yeah. >> You can be the first downloader - >> The first to download it from Download.com. >> Rush in there right now and get Avid Emux 2.4. >> Here's what it is. This is the program right here, it's a small little video editor, kind of like Windows Movie Maker. >> Yeah. >> But free and open source. And let's see, let me open up a video here. >> So it's a simple editor, and does conversions as well? >> Yeah. You are actually able to take a video from a DVD and turn it into MPEG4, turn it into DIVX. >> Okay. >> All the normal things that converters will do, but then you see you've got this little timeline right here. So I can go through my video, I've got this, I'm always using my friend's baseball clinic as an example. Let's say, okay I've got Tony LaRussa video here, but I just want to clip out just that, cause I want to separate it - >> Okay. >> - maybe for a website. So I'm gonna take from the start there, and then go to the end here, and clip that out, and then I can go up into the, lost my cursor, go up to the edit memory, then you say cut, boom. Now I've got just the - >> Just Tony. >> - Tony LaRussa part. >> So it's a simple blade editor. >> I've got this blue frame in here, I can go in and trim that off as well. >> Head tail head tail, cut cut cut. >> Yeah, just making the, you know, it's good for home movies or something like that where you just want to pull out little segments. >> That's 90% of what I beg people to do with their videos is just take out the flab, you don't have to be some big fancy editor. Just cut out all the boring stuff, snap all the good parts together, and then save it out as whatever file you like, which this obviously is very good at. This is a very useful tool. >> Yeah, it's very small. >> And we get so many calls about I need something better than Windows Movie Maker, hello. >> Yeah, here you go. You've got something right there. >> Okay, so be the first to download it. This is very unusual that a piece of software on Download.com hasn't been downloaded yet. We'll check back at the end of the show and see if one of you got in there first, and I know it'll be one of our viewers. Okay, let's go back tot eh calls here. I want to jump on, Abe here is in Georgia. He's got a again, lot of OS questions, and booting and loading stuff today. Hello Abe, welcome to CNET Live on our first anniversary. >> Hey Tom, hey Brian, happy anniversary. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> What are you trying to pull off? >> I want to create a partition on Windows Vista. >> Just that simple. And what do you want to do, what do you want to put in that partition? >> Just like my backups, my music, my photos. >> Why do you want to separate via a partition versus just traditional folders for example? >> Just in case a virus get in my computer. >> Oh, okay. Well making a partition is, I think it's the same way you do in XP where you go to the, what's the damn command we like to use, the disc partition thing? >> Yeah, well if you right click on computer, click on manage. >> Yeah. >> Go into disc management. >> That's it. >> And then you can find the partition manager. And then once you're in the partition manager, you can do an extended volume, shrink. It's all built into Vista. And the thing is partition magic, which a lot of people prefer on Windows XP to using the Windows partition manager - >> Yeah. >> - doesn't run on Vista yet, at least the last time I checked. So if it's still not running, this is probably your best bet. >> Yeah. >> And it's built right into Vista, so you don't have to get anything else. >> And I've never had a problem using the partition tool in Windows, I think it's fine. So that's where you go in and you can take your current drive, and you can add, or put an extended partition on there. I forget where that gets dicey in terms of risk to your existing data. If it's just willy nilly you can say take the existing free space and make a new - >> It'll ask you like are you really sure you want to delete everything in there? >> Yeah. >> So be careful that you're not overwriting anything that's got data. But it's pretty good at warning you I think. >> But can't he add an extended partition without destroying any data just by using free space? I believe that's possible. >> If he's got free space, yeah. Should be able to. >> So anyway, that's what you do. You just go in there - >> Non-destructive partitioning, right? >> Yeah. Try it inside of Windows. That tool works fine for me, and you can't use partition magic anyway because you're on Vista. So there you go, you've got one choice. >> All right, let's go to line four. >> Line four baby, Phoenix. >> Got Miles in Phoenix, Arizona. Hey Miles. Did you get to any spring training games? >> Hey Tom, hey, sorry? >> Did you get to any spring training games in Phoenix? >> Oh no, I'm not quite the fan of baseball that you are. >> All right, that's fine. What's your question? >> I just heard a voice. >> That's fine, but I hate you. >> No, I'm just kidding. What can I do for you today? >> Well I was looking to get some sort of application that I can use to download podcasts all in one shot, it'll download all the ones I'm subscribed to so that I can put them in my MP3 player for later on. But I hate iTunes - >> Okay. >> - with a passion. >> Do you have an iPod? >> I've been using a program, no. >> Okay. >> I've been using a program called Juice, but I can't seem to find it any more. >> Juice is a good podcast management. Do you need to have podcast management? Is that your key here? >> What is podcast management? >> Well in other words you want something that'll take the RSS feed, bring in all the stuff, and then transfer it over automatically to your MP3 player. >> It doesn't have to do it automatically - >> You don't want to have to do a lot of work dragging stuff back and forth I'm guessing, right? >> Well I'm fine with dragging stuff back and forth, cause I've got one of those that when you plug it in it just shows up as a removable hard drive. So I drag it back and forth myself. I kind of do that too, that way I can put it and listen to the order I want to hear. Like Buzz Out Loud at the beginning, and then - >> Good man. >> - other stuff. >> Well that's, I mean that's actually - >> And Brian I like your Car Tech too. >> You're a good man. I've always loved you, always will, just want you to know that. >> That's the champagne talking. The simplest way is to do the drag and drop back and forth, but it is a little more tedious. You could try Song Bird, which is open source. I featured it last week as our Download of the Week. It's Song Bird 0.5 now, it's out and available for download for free. There's Juice, if you search around you can find, you should still be able to find that. Actually I'm doing a top five this week on Friday that should be up within a week, that is the top five most popular podcast aggregators that we have on CNET. And Juice is one of them, and I'm trying to remember what the other one is. TV Tonic, people use that. People use Miro [assumed spelling], which is the former Democracy, so you might try that for podcast management. >> Oh. >> What those are all good for is handling the RSS feed part of it for you. >> What was the former Democracy one called? Nero? >> Miro, M I R O. >> M I R O, gotcha. Well thanks guys. >> All right man, thanks for calling Miles. >> Okay. It's time now for Best of the Web. ^M00:30:19 [ music ] ^M00:30:22 [ background music ] >> Best of the Web brought to you by CNET's Webware.com, where you find all the best of Web 2.0 and online applications. This week we were intrigued by their discovery of something called Sly Dial, which of course is actually this. Sly Dial is in beta. It's a private beta by the way, but you can get in there if you click on the link on the front door. Here's what we have to say about it. It lets you make direct voicemails to someone's cellular phone account without talking to them. >> I love that. >> Now you get it. >> Oh yeah. >> Okay, it's that time when you call someone and say please don't answer, I just want to return your damn call, get off the hook and not talk to me. >> Oh you're there, I'm sorry, I was just gonna leave a message. >> Right. This lets you do it directly. Now of course you can do it if someone calls you and leaves a voicemail, you can reply back. But this is where you start the ball rolling yourself. So you call 267 Sly Dial, it's free and ad supported, so I gave them about six months, that's the over under. I'm kidding my friends at Sly Dial. And then you just leave the message. And again it's for cellular systems, I don't believe it works on LAN lines or Centrex systems, or anything like that. And again, private beta but you can sign up now and give it a shot. And it's gonna be one of those things you're gonna be glad you have when the moment arrives. >> Jean Paul Sarch [assumed spelling] would love it. >> Right. >> Hell is other people. >> You have had a few cocktails. >> Next Thursday we'll be celebrating Earth Day. >> Yeah we will. [ background music ] Coming down to Earth Day is what I'm looking forward to. And you know, we'll be talking about eco building and all that - >> Pre-fab stuff. >> - good green pre-fab stuff. >> Oh yeah, it's gonna be fun. Join us, 4pm eastern, 1pm pacific, and in Hawaii 10am. Sorry you have to get up a little early. >> We'll see you next week. >> Bye. >> Bye. ^M00:31:53 [ music ]