August 24, 2009 12:15 PM PDT

BOL 1048: Is Apple lying to the FCC?

by Tom Merritt
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Apple's letter to the FCC makes some pretty incredible claims about what Google Voice does to the iPhone's phone functionality. TechCrunch calls the claims misleading when they're being nice. To us, they sound like lies. We're also kinda taken with the Nokia laptop. Yes, Nokia is making a laptop. And, of course, the week of stars kicks off with guest host Patrick Beja.

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EPISODE 1048

Apple answers the FCC's questions
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/apple-answers-fcc-questions/
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/21/the-simple-truth-whats-really-going-on-with-apple-google-att-and-the-fcc/
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/08/critics-call-shenanigans-in-wake-of-apple-att-fcc-replies.ars

Apple to ship Mac OS X Snow Leopard August 28
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10315866-37.html

Nokia enters Netbook fray with booklet 3G
http://www.pcworld.com/article/170657/
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/24/nokia-introduces-booklet-3g-mini-laptop/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10315916-1.html

Cable versus wireless: Guess which is growing faster?
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/08/21/cable-vs-wireless-guess-which-is-growing-faster/

Rumor: Walmart catalog lists $100 price cut for Xbox 360 Elite
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/22/rumor-wal-mart-catalog-lists-100-price-cut-for-xbox-360-elite/

Looking at the positive in WoW’s BlizzCon announcements
http://www.examiner.com/x-5942-Oklahoma-City-MMORPG-Examiner~y2009m8d23-Looking-at-the-positive-in-WoWs-BlizzCon-announcements
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8218521.stm

Skank’ blogger talks, sues Google for $15m
http://government.zdnet.com/?p=5283

Criminals prefer Firefox, Opera web browsers
http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/08/21/2119253/Criminals-Prefer-Firefox-Opera-Web-Browsers

AT&T to require smartphone data plans
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10315678-94.html

Wal-Mart recalls fiery DVD players
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10315452-1.html

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I am a day behind so I just listened to the 1046 episode. You received an e-mail that says that the IEEE membership is $15 I guess USD. As a former IEEE member I know you may be charged from $138 USD to $175 USD as a full member depending on the region of the world you live. As a student you get charged from $27 to $32 for one year and half of that for half a year. Also I searched the IEEE site and the only information I could find was that you can get MS software if you are a student member of the IEEE Computer Society.

http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/Cost/dues.html

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IEEE Student membership is open to undergraduate and graduate students who are enrolled in at least 50% of a normal, full-time course of study in an IEEE designated field.

That is why I didn’t renew my membership, I could afford to spend the $138 USD for the 2009 year. Maybe in 2010.

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by den4ever August 24, 2009 7:59 PM PDT
Please I beg of you,are you all 16 year old valley girls, STOP SAYING AWESOME!! GROW THE **** UP.

Do yo ever listen to yourselfs & while yoe are at it QUIT THE JUST SAYIN' AS WELL
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by telestic August 24, 2009 8:05 PM PDT
Upon initially opening your BOL link on Monday, the 'sponsored by' block under your flash video featured an 'ATT' logo. Was this a hack? a foil? a gallant attempt to wrest meaning from a bleak deterministic and cash-for-clunkerless universe? Upon rebooting my crashed netbook (as I accidentally pressed two keys simultaneously prior to closing all applications and placing the computer in the freezer for 7 minutes), the logo was gone.
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by Minotauro79 August 25, 2009 5:57 AM PDT
Molly Wood destroys these podcast with nothing but crazy opinion after crazy opinion. When I hear her I almost want to turn it off and just turn on Engadget or TWiT. As for Apple and the FCC something to consider is that they likely didn't word their letter to the FCC to make a few podcasters happy but rather something their legal department thought gave them a leg to stand on if the FCC wants to press this farther. You do think the legal department may have had some role in this right?
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by anilsudh August 25, 2009 7:35 AM PDT
With Crappysoft shill's like Molly Wood, it's no wonder there is no sponsor for this podcast.
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by anubis4d August 25, 2009 9:49 AM PDT
Hi buzz town,

Iīm from Argentina where all kind of crazy laws are made. WE INVENTED A BETTER WAY OF CENSORSHIP, the best way of taking internet access and computers out of people is MAKING THEM EXPENSIVE so the poor canīt afford them, at the same time OUR government had sign a contract to provide FREE SOCCER GAMES on the state channel (which acts as a diversion of course), so you can imagine how this will impact on education and development. I would love to have your opinion, this law is about to be aproved and most people seems not taking in count whatīs gonna happend.

with 40% of poverty on my country, the congress is about to aprove a 30% raise in all the tech related goods, PCs, to plasmas TV, mp3 players, etc will become deluxe products. The justification is that our goverment is trying to benefit the TIERRA DEL FUEGO southest province (the most unhabitated also) by not taking the companies which manufacture there, itīs silly since ANY Argentinian compaņy manufactures CPUs, MEMORIES, or stuff like that, the companies here simply assembly here, so nobody will have a benefit, only low quality with high cost computers will come from there.

Mani campaigns had raisen in youtube and other media, google it by: "NO AL IMPUESTAZO TECNOLOGICO" which stands for: "NO TO THE BIG TECH TAX".

thanks, love the show.
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by rengel August 25, 2009 6:29 PM PDT
I've always felt that one of the things that drew me back to BOL was the people involved seemed to be passionate about the business. Passionate means that sometimes the blood pressure goes up and depending on the personality, there may be a little rant. Personally, I believe that gives a certain credence to the podcast. This isn't scripted and not everybody agrees with everyone else. Molly of course is the leader of the pack and with her around, it does get colorful. And certainly Brian Cooley doesn't not shy away from taking a stand on a subject either.
What do you expect in this podcast? "3 or 4 people playing at being "talking heads" like on the evening news?
These people talk and act like human beings. If you don;t like it, go read ZD Net or ARS Technica. Leave us alone to hear a real conversation.
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by matrum_ August 26, 2009 10:45 AM PDT
FYI,
On this podcast you said Google Voice didn't have a way to synchronize with the contacts on the iPhone.

It does, but it's actually backwards from the way Apple described it to the SEC. I can synchronize my phone's contact's to Google using the iPhone's BUILT-IN Exchange for Calendar & Contacts (or I can do this via APPLE's iTunes). I was doing this BEFORE I started using Google Voice.

I now use Google Voice all the time for outbound calls and I use my Google Contacts which are ALREADY the same as the ones on my iPhone. I can have Google Voice call my cell phone or my house phone and it works fine.

I'm not sure yet what the fabled Google Voice App actually does beyond the existing google.com/voice web site (which comes up fine in Safari), but I can only guess that it would let you place the call through the app without Google Voice doing the quick call back.

This means you wouldn't have to use the AT&T cell minutes since you already pay for unlimited data.

The way I use Google Voice I don't think Apple or AT&T Mobile should care, but my AT&T Landline should be annoyed because I use Google Voice to abuse my unlimited inbound, metered outbound phone line ($5 a month home phone landline).
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by matrum_ August 26, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
Plus if it's your own WiFi it won't matter to AT&T.
by Tekpedia August 27, 2009 12:14 PM PDT
Apple may not be completely lying! They are just talking about a different app. Im not an IPhone user, so this is based on my BlackBerry Curve. The Google Voice app uses the gmail contacts store, as many of the google apps do. Google Voice will not sync with the phone address book, but they do make an app that will: Google Sync! Google Sync will sync your google contacts and calendar with your phone address book and calendar.

So I guess Apple just figured that this was close enough to make the stretch.
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by aristotle_dude August 27, 2009 11:14 PM PDT
It's so nice to hear that Molly is an expert web services developer and knows internal details about how google designed the US only Google voice app. /SARCASM Molly, it is entirely possible that Apple is not lying and that google is caching your contacts information from your phone on their servers. Apple would have access to network traffic capturing software like Wireshark. Were you Techcrunch getting their information from? From speculation? Can you assume that the app does not do something just because they do not have an option to enable/disable it?
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by Indigochill August 28, 2009 12:22 PM PDT
This is kind of a crazy story. Even if the app gets rejected, Google's just going to launch a web page that does the -exact- same thing as the app would, but then Apple has no say in user access. So really, it's a no-win situation for Apple (and you can find my source at http://www.newsy.com/videos/defending_the_app_store). Very much Pirates of Silicon Valley 2.
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