Tomorrow Daily 116: Microsoft HoloLens, a robot chef learns from YouTube and moreOn today's show, we debate the future of HoloLens, Microsoft's newest augmented reality device. We also check out a robot who learned to cook by watching humans on YouTube and a stunning interactive art installation in Japan.
On today's show, Microsoft had a press event, and we're gonna tell you all about their Xbox news, and a new product called Hollow Lens. Woo. Meanwhile a robot is learning how to cook, by only watching YouTube videos. That seems dangerous. And a super cool art installation in Japan is both beautiful and interactive. Do you know what else is beautiful and interactive? We are. You got us. We definitely are. No. Tomorrow Daily. [MUSIC] Greetings citizens of the internet, welcome to Tomorrow Daily, the best geek talk show in the known universe. I'm your host, Ashley Esqueda. Joining me as always. Khail Anonymous. Yeah. Woo, press conference time. [NOISE] Oh, where's the draft? We gotta get ready for the draft. Press conference hype. No, seriously. Huge press conference hype. Okay. It was first of all, not only just huge press conference in. Like terms of length, it was two and a half hours almost. Yeah. And then there was a Q and A afterwards by the way. It was also jam packed with crazy stuff so let's not waste any more time. Let's hit the headlines. You didn't see that one coming. I, that was exciting. You didn't see the other one coming. [LAUGH] I, I got, I wanted to just jump up and get out a confetti cannon. Like, that was what I was- I can't wait to watch this back and see like your face go into that. [LAUGH] [COUGH] Go what, what is happening? Why do you have a ho, why do you have an air horn on your phone? Oh my god. Okay. All right. So let's get this crack writing on this thing. Let's jump in. We'll have to skip a lot to get to the part that excites us the most. We are. Okay. So here's the thing. Microsoft had a press conference today about Windows. Ten and all the integrations that go with it. We are going to skip most of the Windows 10 part of that if you want to check out any of that you can check out Cnet.com we've got tons and tons and tons of All you need to know Of coverage Yes. About Windows 10. All you need to know is it's gonna be like. Free, next year- Free for Windows 7, Windows 8 Windows 8, like anything beyond Windows 7 you get a free upgrade. For a year, for a year, they're gonna do free upgrades. Which is awesome. New updates solitaire and minesweeper. Really? Or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So moving on. All right. So we're gonna focus on Xbox and [UNKNOWN]. Okay, so XBox we'll jump into very briefly. I thought this was awesome. Finally, finally, finally we're seeing cross-platform gaming with Windows 10. So they have this awesome demo where they had a lady come out who was using the XBox One, and she was playing Fable Legends. And then Joe Belfiori, I believe, or I'm sorry, Phil, good old Phil, was playing. He was playing. I love the that Battletoads shirt is awesome. He was wearing a Battletoads shirt you guys and it was really exciting. So he was playing as well on PC on Windows 10 and then they were co-op playing together at the same time. Cross platforming nice. So cross platform cooperative play. Really awesome. And then the other big news about x box is you're gonna be able to stream that your Xbox 1 game to any windows 10 tablet or PC in your house even if it's an Xbox one exclusive game so it doesn't have to be available on Windows specifically. You can stream it. Just like you would. So, kind of play at Steam Box, I think. Yeah. But they also had, you could access your Steam catalogue on Windows 10, like they had a whole thing with Cortana. They're like, show me this, show me this. Like, in the Xbox app they had alike a bunch of different stuff. It was really cool. That's great. Finally linking everything together. Finally getting some connectivity between all of their devices and I think this is sort of what- That's why people go for Apple. So might as well And even you know, Android there's so much connectivity between everything that you have going on. It just for me it seems like this is what Windows users and PC users have been kind of waiting for saying well I don't want to upgrade. Why? Like why would I do that? So, I like that they're giving gamers, especially Xbox gamers, in particular the option to cross platform co-op. Really cool. Super good. Yeah. okay, so now let's get into the meat of it, which is Hollow Lens. [APPLAUSE] This is our, this is what we're excited about. [APPLAUSE] Woo! Or are. Totally excited about it. I don't know. I, I, that's very confusing. This video is crazy. Okay. So this is Microsoft's official promo video of, of HoloLens. And they, it's this pair of goggles. It has transparent glass on the front. So it allows for an augmented reality experience. you, with Jim in the holograms playing right in front of you. No, any- I don't even know what that is. A whole bunch of stuff. A whole bunch of stuff. So how does this work? There's obviously something built into it. Yeah. So that it can sense the world around you. Very much so. So the guy who is kind of leading this project is Alex Kipman who is the father of Kinect. Oh nice. Okay. So this guy presented the demos. It was very cool. And this is, ,. A real world pappa's experience that you are going to have and there are transparent lenses, spatial sound, motion sensors, a CPU, a GPU and an HPU, a holographic processing unit, which it understands gestures, voice position and mapping out objects based on where they are, like spatial location. And Microsoft is saying that this is going to be a thing that people are going to be able to use. They had a whole bunch of different uses for this. Like there's Minecraft, they had repairing things, medical community. Yeah, I want to pause, I want to actually focus on that scene right there. Netflix. Did you notice the dog was hollo, was a hologram. Okay, thanks for ruining all the things I was going to say. The dog was sitting there, it was fake. You said, you literally said, I said I want to stay right there. So basically what was, what was interesting about that to me is that he didn't even need a screen. No. He- - He just sat down. Now he can just project his own screen, he had a holographic dog, which means you can create companions. Might finally get rid of all my dogs. But a lot of what people are showing off is. And you can do designs, you can play games. Yep. You can you know, create and craft if you're artistic Yep. I, my, here's my question [UNKNOWN], I am very curious Oh you're, you're, you're skeptical on this. I, I, yes a little bit. So Ok. I think this is a cool technology but is this the same as Kinect? So is this going tobe the same thing where we saw a bunch of amazing demos as connect and we've seen what it can do. We've seen some amazing things come out of connect from like universities and robotics people and they're using connect to do these incredible gesture things. They did the cool stuff not them. But we're not doing those things. Right. Like it's oh it's not even mandatory with your Xbox1 it's like we have sort of pushed that to the side. Like I feel like this is the thing that is mandatory bundled into the next. Xbox and then everyone throws a fit, and there like, oh yeah okay, no no no, we'll just [UNKNOWN] it's gonna be like connect. I think, I think, if they incorporate that screen, I think the screen is gonna make all the difference. It's gonna be good. If I can sit in my room, like before bed, and not have to buy a brand new tv, and I just put that sucker on, and instead of looking at my tablet I'm looking at a giant screen that I can change the size of, like that's gonna be the make or break. I mean there's a lot of little like,. Play games and stuff like that. He's like this is your. That's not gonna, it's gonna be goof around. This is your Wal-E moment, we're gonna have a screen right in front of your face and you're gonna get your gonna get your cupcake in a cup. Yeah. I like, I like it. Ya de ya. I don't want to do anything anymore. Perfect. But that's what I'm saying. It's like, if you can browse all that stuff just by, by doing this, I mean, there might be a place for this very, very, very soon. They're showing us all the possibilities. In theory, the possibilities are incredible. Yes. It's a beautiful video Microsoft, is what Ashley is saying. There's a lot potential. Exactly. There's a lot of potential, I just. Don't want to get over excited and then really disappointed when it comes out as not quite what I hoped. We had our heart broken with the Wii as well when we saw the motion controls and our brains expanded and we saw all the possibilities of a light saber game and going fishing. And then nobody made any games. And nobody made any games. So it's going to depend on developers to make this a thing. Like it has to be supported to the point where. It can be a ubiquitous object, an everyday thing that you're using all the time. Otherwise, forget it. I definitely think that a lot of different apps are gonna try and pick this up and, and run with it. Interesting. Whether it be like Netflix. But what, what about Google Glass? Amazon. They are out, but that's. Yeah, who cares about Google Glass? Fair enough. It's, it was a, it's like a user interface like a HUD. Yeah, it was a little. As opposed to an actual interactive augmented reality situation. Yeah. It is different. I get that, but I just, I always wonder how invested developers are gonna get into something like this because. It's not proven yet. Yes. Yet. I'm excited. I'm stoked. I'm, I'm definitely, I'm like, I'm like this. Woo! You know? Caush, I'm cautiously optimistic about this. Yeah, cor, cautiously optimistic is absolutely right. And see, I'm thinking small. I'm thinking what people are gonna use it for, immediately, and what could be the [INAUDIBLE]. Funny. Right out of the gate. Funny you mentioned that. That's our hash tag of the day is TD HoloLens. What are you going to use hololens for? What is it, what's the game changer? What's the thing? Okay. So the game changer is going to obviously be how it moves, how everything moves forward, right? But what's the killer app? But I am telling you the thing that's going to get people to use this thing is being able to watch a. Screen like image. [CROSSTALK] Yeah imagine if I'm not necessarily like Portable television. Stopped in front of, everything that Google Glass wanted to be. [CROSSTALK] So I'm in the kitchen or whatever cooking cookies whatever. And I have the like the The video right in front of you. Right there or whatever. Or you're on a plane. Or I'm playing video games. Or I'm on a plane. Or I'm playing video games. Everything that the Occulus wanted to be without being completely obstructive. To your view. Right. Games, like, I can even still play games. They won't be 3D, but I can still play them on a surface. [CROSSTALK] But play them. And I can, and I can play. It has the built in CPU, which is a godsend. Yeah Totally. Because Oculus does not have that. Not connected to anything. You don't have to have it, you don't need any other hardware. To use [UNKNOWN]. So they're locking a lot of the problems down. Yeah. Hypothetically. Hypothetically. So again, I, I think the thing that would get people going is the screens. All right. As boring as that sounds. But that's the thing that people, everybody wants. I really want that. Everybody wants one. Alright. Tell me about this robot that cooks. What about, oh, you don't wanna fill in? We gotta, we're gonna, we're gonna keep going. We're gonna, we, this is- Alright. Okay, okay. We've been talking about this forever, I feel like. Okay, I've been talking about this next article for ever, and this is not a joke. No, we finally have video. I've been suggesting it to you forever, and we've been waiting for a video. We finally have video. This is a robot that is learning how to cook by watching YouTube videos. It's watching tons and tons of YouTube videos, and learning how to cook. Now basically what this computer at the University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studios. I guess Studies. I don't know. I think I may have misspelled that. [COUGH] They were showing this robot many YouTube videos so that it can learn a variety of move, of movements. That would challenge the robot. 'Kay. That's why they chose cooking, is because there's so many movements, whether it be moving- [CROSSTALK] a plate Very intricate. A knife, pouring water. Yeah, there's a lot of movement in cooking. [COUGH] That's true. So, the way this works is it, here are the steps to get it to actually do it. It uses computer vision, okay, to recognize what's going on. Then is uses a recognition- - a recognition system to recognize what's going on. Then an ad process to analyze all of that information. Then a language parsing translator to hear what is spoken on the YouTube video, and then of course it does- - And then it says okay I've done all those things and then here's the action I need you to do. Okay I got it. I'm pouring the baking soda, baking soda, I got baking soda. So their goal here. Yeah, what's the, yeah what's the end game here? I, I always love to know what the goal is. In the very middle of the article. There's always a good one. The goal is to get it to work with humans. To be able interact. And as they said, to be able to like help out in the kitchen. Like recognizing- It seems like a really big, I don't think that robot would fit in my kitchen. Well. She was a robot. We'll get you a Wall-E or something like that. All right, fair enough, good. All right, cool. So it's been pretty accurate actually. Oh. I've got some stats for, here for you. Okay, hit me with the stats. 93% on object recognition. So rolling pin, I got it, you know. And then 93% recall. Okay, so it remember. So it remembers. Remember, that's an important thing. That that's a rolling pin. Got it. You know, remembers it. also. Right cuz it's not. And don't forget everybody because it's not programming it to know that specifically, it's teaching it to learn that. Yeah. Which is, there's a big difference. Yes. So out of grasping recognition module precision, 77%. Oh okay, that's high. That's not that bad. That's pretty good, pretty good. I recall 76%, so it's pretty close to it. So there's a 24% chance that my pancakes will be ruined? Yeah, so obviously there are some other things, obviously, they are not just like, well the limitations are cooking. They want it to do like hazardous work and any number of things Oh. that humans don't necessarily want to do. Yeah, cleaning up like nuclear waste. The, the reason, again, and I, I and I guess I may not have covered this, you know, right but the reason they're doing it through YouTube videos instead of having it done through just typing in, cuz they, they don't want to like have type it in. Right, they don't want to code it. And just learn, you know, they want to learn through humans Right. and see how it's done in a very fluid way. Teaching. Yeah, and let it learn itself more or less. So, that's what they're hoping to do. And now, you know, you can Next up it's recipe will be humans. Yes, recipe will be Human barbecue. Yeah, so I've been really excited about that. I know. And I finally saw the video for it and I was like oh, Kahle's going to be so happy because we can finally cover the story. Okay. All right. So there you go. So very last thing this is a digital installation that is in Japan. Which of course means it's a little weird. But it's also- [LAUGH] Really, really gorgeous. [COUGH] And I, like I have a flower shirt on. I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm dressed for the occasion, for this video. All righty. So this comes from a collective called Team Lab. [COUGH] Which is a bunch of architects, programmers, CGI animators, other artistic people who love technology. So this there's mirrors in here. So it's not, it doesn't just keep going as far as you can see. Wow. But the installation is called. Flowers and people cannot be controlled, but live together for eternity. And so, as people walk. Translation I'm sure, yes. I'm sure it is. As people walk through this installation, I obviously the whole floor is a digital project, it's either a projection or. and, they walk through, and the floors react to their movement, and so the whole point of this is, like, the life and death cycle of flowers. Like, and other flora. So someone walks on the flowers, they kind of wither away and die. You can see they were kind of, like, floating away there. And then, as they walk away, they'll bloom again. So it, it's slow, like, they're showing it off a little bit slower. But it really is stunning. And apparently they said it's all about growth and decay and they have this whole, like, cray, I think the translation was a little bit weird because the way they described it sounded like why they built this was really eh, the, the words did not make sense together, so I think somebody had, like, kind of a weird translation there but. Yeah, translation. It's on display right now at the National Museum of Emerging Science and Innovation in Tokyo through March first, so if you have a plane ticket. If you're gonna be headed out that way. And before the first of March you should definitely check this out. But yeah, it's got a bunch of mirrors in it, even, there are these there are these columns that the, the, that the visitors can walk up to and they actually have the same sort of flower like projections and stuff on there too. So they can see themselves in these mirrors. Oh, okay. With them, just like the projection in there. And so, it's really cool. And I just say, you know, again. [INAUDIBLE] I, we, sometimes, they finally design things that are really fascinating. Yeah. To me and super-interesting. But but yeah, it's just something really pretty. something really pretty and something really interesting and something that I would go see if I ever went to Japan, which I probably [INAUDIBLE]. [NOISE] Probably never will. Do you know that would be. People will be really upset if you do that in Japan. [LAUGH] They'll be like this is American out here. Everybody gets upset with that all the time. [CROSSTALK] Even [UNKNOWN] when I hit that like there's a pain in my heart. Alright let's have a party break. Let's hit the airhorn and party break. We'll be back in about 30 seconds or so. We have a new, we have new segment. We'll party to that. Cue Sierra horn. [NOISE]. New segment. Okay, we're gonna be back with a new segment. [LAUGH] Don't look away. It's Tomorrow Daily. [NOISE]. Oh, oh, oh. There we go. We got one. [MUSIC] Welcome back to the show. We have a new segment this week. I love new segments. I do too. We don't have a graphic for it yet. Ahh! Hopefully we will very sh, very soon. I'll put in the request. Right, well the audio people don't care. Yeah. People listening to the audio podcast are like. Yeah, yeah people at home are definitely. Do you want to make a little music sound for them? Okay, so this is Mod Squad. Yeah, okay. [NOISE] Okay, perfect. I'm going to make sure they actually incorporate that in to the graphics. [LAUGH] That's why I didn't say anything while you were doing it. All right, so MOD Squad, we see lots of different modifications of things online, and also cool custom builds of stuff. So I'm always fascinated by this. And I feel like it really deserves it's own segment just because. Sometimes they're not newsworthy. It's not like a oh, wow, like, you know, this fish, this Mario fish tank. Like, it's not newsworthy in that way, but it's also really cool and I feel like people deserve recognition. We, we had the power glove. If you didn't see that episode, get on it, but there was a guy that had a power glove. Yeah. And he made it so that he could do his stop motion animation with the power glove. And that was awesome. Mod worthy. Mod, mod. A squad. Totally mod- Mm-hm. Totally feature worthy, and, we thought that, you know, we would kind of have a segment where if we wanted to call somebody up, maybe if something wasn't, you know, making the news for any particular reason, but we just happened to see it, we could, we could feature them. So this I saw, and thought was so cool. This is called, the Model G1, which Famicade is another. Name for it that I've heard bandied about. This is by a guy named Dave Nunez. He's the creator of this little cabinet. It's a little device called the model G1. That's an adjustable seven inch TFT screen. It has built-in speaker. It has, obviously, you can see the joy stick and arcade buttons. He said it's Bauhaus design inspired, so it's very, very cool, like, not. not hideous looking at all. It's not, it looks super stylish, and you can actually in the back of that, play. Stick your old NES cartridges into it and play old NES games. Oh, wow! . Yeah, so he made this really awesome thing into kind of a. A little, NES arcade cabinet, which is pretty awesome. Yeah, that's pretty cool. It, it's not obnoxious like a lot, like a lot of the knock off ones that they make nowadays. Yeah, it's not like a knock off NES. Like, I just really like this because it's super modern and clean, but it's also. You know, it's got that retro feel to it. It's really neat. And so, here's the, there is one catch though. So the one catch is, based on its architecture, its, the, the internals of this, it can't play 23 out of, like the 800 plus games that Nintendo released for the NES. Those are the only ones I wanted to play. Of course. Well, here are some of them. The more notable ones that I caught in the list were Battletoads, Castlevania III, Gauntlet, Paperboy, Pipedream, and Incredible Crash Dummies. [LAUGH] Paperboy? Well, the NES version, you were playing it on GameBoy anyway, Kale, let's all be honest. Don't. You can admit it. It was a Gameboy. That's pretty cool, though. Yeah. Super awesome. So, it's on it's SE store. He's making them, you can, you can buy them [INAUDIBLE] Oh, multiple ones. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, you can buy them on SE. You can actually buy this. And retail price is? ? ? 199. For the NEW model and if you want an Atari 2600 version which he also makes it is 249. And you can use old Atari cartridges. That's not bad. And put them in there and I think the Atari one comes with preloaded with like- So if anyone- 40 open source Atari games. If anyone wants to buy me one for Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day is coming Kale. You can be my Valentine. Kale's nice lady. I'd just be anybody. Yeah. Oh anybody. Well. Yeah. Okay. Well that, that's awkward. I better delete this app. You'll have to explain that. You really should delete that app from your phone. I'm deleting it right now, yeah. I think everybody hates you now. [LAUGH] Everybody's like Khail, you are the worst. Speaking of people thinking Khail's the worst, it's time for user feedback. [MUSIC] All right. That was my favorite transition. That was it. That might be my favorite transition of all time. So, yesterday, we asked you guys [UNKNOWN] the hashtag #TDAware, and tell us what video game character you would want to watch, play their own games, if they became self-aware AI. This is, I'm so excited for this. You guys came up with some, some good ones. Ansel, Ansel wrote to us and said, I want the Sims in The Sims 4 to play their game so they can see how. Stupid they act sometimes. [LAUGH] [FOREIGN] Remember, they have emotion, so it's like, maybe they could feel shame about how dumb they're acting. Maybe that would be good. Jesus wrote to us and said, imagine the Mortal Kombat roster. Infinite loop of fatalities and resurrections per playthrough, #thehorrorthehorror. [LAUGH] Oh, no. Oh, their spines, and all their hearts and heads and stuff. Laying everywhere, just aw, so sad. Linh wrote to us and said, Link, how much fun is he really having smashing pots? [LAUGH] I feel like that's an expose on 60 Minutes next week. Yeah, I like that. Link, how much fun is he really having? Smashing pots. And then Rick wrote to us and said, Ezio Auditore from Assassins Creed where he admits that he's scared of heights and can't jump off a building. Awe. Reality strikes in. That's me. But wait a minute, isn't he a simulation? No. No, he's, well he was real, and then he was simulation. Any spoilers? Would he be? From the first Assassin's creed? Oh, from the first one. Okay, fine. Two is long enough. Ezio is like along the way, but I mean, still they're all like, well no, you're reliving the hist, you're reliving it, so it did happen. I feel like this is getting out of hand. But I like it. Can we- Let's check out your comments. Oh, okay. What, what do you mean? that, that, all right, continue. That was, that was it for you, the feedback? Still a little sick. You are, I can tell, it's okay. Mm-hm. So it's time for our last piece of user feedback, our phonetographer of the day. [MUSIC] Jamie writes to us, Jamie B. Yeah, still trying to figure out the She says hey Ashley and Kahle. Hey. First off, love the show. I listen to you while I drive at work. You drive at work? Or to work? Okay. She said at work, but. She's nice enough to write us an email. That's true. I, I won't, I won't I won't split hairs. I took this picture up on a mountain in the early morning fog. Our early morning when we were up above the fog. I took this picture with my iPhone 6 plus unedited. and it shows the fog over the city with a clear sky above. And through the trees, it gives you a really neat effect. I was waiting for CES to finish, so I could share this with you. I hope to be your favorite viewer, Ashley, not Kale. Jamie, in beautiful BC, Canada. Doesn't matter. Every favorite viewer of [UNKNOWN] gets a medal sent in a mail which Sorry. [CROSSTALK] Which if you peel it off is actually chocolate so You get a chocolate coin? Well yeah, it's a metal and then you wear Oh chocolate. But anyway, I know that's great. I like the contracture of the, of the tree. That straight up belongs on a wall It does. Put that on a wall Jamie. I feel like I am going to get that as a print online and put it up on my wall. You know Jamie, you are definitely my favorite viewer. You didn't even ask [INAUDIBLE] viewer. I am going to say close, pretty close, nine out of ten, not the best, not the best ever. I haven't seen it yet. I'll know it when I see it, I think is. [INAUDIBLE] It's not even worth it at this point. But thank you for your. Why send in photos? Do you, Ashley's just gonna hate your photos. To be Gil's favorite. I don't hate it, it's just to be Gil's favorite, obviously. [LAUGH] Yeah. All right, so if you wanna send in your phonetography to be considered, we got our email working again. Woo! Okay, you can email us, you've been cheering a lot today, don't, don't. Tomorrow@cnet.com. You can also send over your user feedback. If you hate email, if you think it's the worst thing ever, we're on social media. Tomorrow daily at Twitter [NOISE] [LAUGH] at Twitter, Facebook, and Instragram. [LAUGH] Tomorrow Daily TV over at Google Plus, and of course, Tomorrow Daily on. Tumblr as well. Now, there's a few of you that are watching on YouTube. There should be more, but don't forget to. Tens, tens of you are watching on YouTube. 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We'll be back tomorrow with all sorts of weird, wonderful, future tech, science, geek, pop culture, gaming, everything in between, news that you can shake a stick at. But until then be good humans and we'll see you tomorrow. Bye. Don't, don't do it. [MUSIC]