Okay, back with you, CNET Live, CES 2019.
I'm Brian Cooley with David Katzmaier.
Katz is here to talk about the best TVs of CES 2019.
And even if I didn't work here, I would say this.
He's the best guy to talk to about TVs, cuz he knows his stuff.
And he doesn't kiss any you know whats.
And that's, well not in terms of TVs anyway.
[LAUGH] The bell of the ball.
In terms of the wow!
I can't believe that's really going to exist.
Is the LG Olid R, they call it.
The OLER the call it.
Yeah, the rollible o-
If I, if I was going to kiss the ask ones.
Kiss the show [LAUGH]
Yeah, it would be that one.
And the ask goes away.
That's the best part about it.
There's no backside to this television.
You press the off button and it disappears into its little box.
We talked about it a bunch, now it's a reality.
I don't know how much it's gonna cost.
Give me a guess though.
Honestly, is that all?
Cuz I think, and that's a lot, of course.
But that's actually kind of understandably expensive for this.
Right, Your reaction to my guess is a perfect example of why LG should price it at ten grand.
Yeah, cuz I could say, all right, if I had the money I would spend it on this.
You gotta be in that rarified world but this is so amazing.
It's not like I'm getting more dots or I'm getting a TV that's incredibly huge.
Those are matters of just kind of more of what we already had.
This is something we never had.
Yeah, it's the ability to go.
I mean, unless you're rich.
You've seen these commercials lifestyles of rich and famous where their TVs disappear into the floor.
Into huge clunky cabinets that some carpenter had to make.
Full down, for thousands and thousands of dollars.
This gives you that in a TV that's completely self-contained.
And by the way, it's OLED, which has the best picture quality on the market, so hey.
Just happens to be the favorite TV-
65-inch, is that, right?
Yes, only 65 this year, yeah.
Clarify this for me, as I was watching some of our video on it here.
The cabinet that the TV rolls down into-
Is the only thing you have to have.
That Base underneath it is optional, right?
As far as I know, the base is actually part of the thing.
So we're trying to get clarity on LG from this.
Also whether you can hang it from the ceiling I asked them.
Which would be fun.
If it had a flip mode.
You could have a drop down.
Yeah, yeah, that would be really cool.
But I think the answer to that is gonna be no, but long story short, you need that hole for a piece of furniture essentially.
Okay, all right, well let this then get rid of that empty base at the bottom to give me more flexibility of what I sit it on.
But hey, I'm not being, I'm not quibbling.
So pretty amazing, due date?
Sometime in 2019, I'm guessing later, September'ish.
But we'll see You know, they had a bunch of them at the show, there was amazing demo at LG's booth where they had ten of them lined up, going up and down a little [CROSSTALK]
Okay, so they're already in some production.
Yeah, they're not a one-off thing that they just built for the show.
That they flew over on a plane.
This is actually happening.
All right, so we'll wait for price and we'll wait for availability and you'll see that first on CNET's television coverage, TV section coverage when that's ready.
Okay, now let's move on to the area of 8K TVs.
You and I have gone around on 4K, and I love the fact that we are so refreshingly honest about the very modest need for 4K for most people in their screen size and their content source.
What's the story on 8K?
It's the same exact story, except there's even less of a return on your investment, in terms of detail.
So the thing about 4K is all TVs are 4K now.
If you're 55 inches and above, you're buying a 4K TV, full stop.
I think that's gonna happen with 8K in the next few years.
Because it's easy to manufacture more pixels on an LCD display.
So they can continue to do this, continue to get some profit out of the market by doing that.
In terms of whether it makes a difference?
I had a demo with a company Company, yesterday it was Sony.
They basically told me they have a 98 inch, by the way, 8k TV, 98 inches.
That's really, really, really big.
[LAUGH] Yeah, that's really big.
Like maybe 60 grand this thing is gonna cost.
But they wanted to get the most realisim.
I had to sit A foot and a half from the screen.
Because that's what.
Farther than that, I'm sorry, around seven, eight feet.
That's counterintuitive to most people, who say if I get a giant TV I'm gonna sit further back, but you waste the beautiful resolution if you sit further back.
It's invisible because you can only resolve, you know as much resolution as your eye can.
So depending on your eyesight, it should be 20/20.
They're recommending what I said before, 1.5X the screen height is the ration for maximum realism.
And this is just Sony but there's a lot of other theories out there.
Long story short, you've got to sit close.
To appreciate these specs.
If you take this TV on the wall in our set and take one and a half of that distance, most folks sit several times further away.
There's a number that.
Says, TV is, people have always sat 9 feet basically from the screen.
Yeah, since time and memorial, depending on whether you have a little RCA like that or you have a you know an 85 inch monster, that's how far generally most people sit.
So if you translate that out to eight, I don't know what the resolution is but 4K is plenty From that distance until you get up to like 150 inch screen so.
This is what you guys have found in so many tests, unless you're at the top end of screen size, 4K is just not perceptively better.
Or sitting super close.
Sitting close is the other key part, yeah.
And then of course, 8K content doesn't exist.
Who knows what form it's gonna take.
Streaming 8K requires so much more bandwidth.
We're already just starting Streaming 4K, so this is a far future thing.
I characterize as if you're a super rich dude, really want a gigantic TV to brag about, go for it.
To brag about, yeah.
I'd say it's great upscaling.
That's gotta be it, right?
Until they trickle it down, forget about it this year.
let's talk about the other one that was the other big headline TV announcement here, aside from the OLED R, which was specific models Was the interesting continuum of Samsung products.
That on one end, it's called the wall, and on other end, it's called Micro LED, dockable, modular-
That's all one smear of product, right?
Yeah, so this is basically Samsung's answer to OLED in the next few years, they call it Micro LED.
They kinda stopped calling it the wall, because now they wanna make it more mainstream, they're calling it Micro LED.
And we've been talking about this technology.
The cool part B it is
It's basically like a scoreboard.
You have millions and millions of individual little LEDs, one each for each pixel, red, green and blue.
So there is a lot of tiny, tiny LEDs that go into this.
One for each of the colors as opposed to the kind of blending we have today of colors that sit on one LED with lenses and all that.
Yeah, current TV, maybe a few hundred LEDs.
But this is millions so it requires a whole bunch of new engineering.
One of the cool things about it is you can break these modules apart of these, just imagine rectangles with all these LEDs on them.
That can be stack and stuff like that.
So that makes a cool demo in Samsung's booth, but the most interesting thing they did this year, now they can get it down.
Imagine all these LEDs the whole challenge is getting them small, they got it down to 75 inches.
So, we were talking.
We've never seen an announcement at CES where they made a TV smaller.
And bragged about it.
They shrank it.
And it was hilarious.
That the president comes.
Because all the executives are standing up and the curtain comes up, and it's like this tiny little.
This little thing.
Right, right, right.
By CES standards.
Because last year, it was 146.
Now, it's 75.
What are you doing?
But it is a great engineering feat.
Again, no price or availability.
It won't be a this year thing.
and when it comes out it will be ridiculously expensive.
but the core technology, everyone says wait a minute, what should I hold off buying and all that, the core technology of micro LED promises the same color saturation as OLED, the same Or better.
In pure black.
Perfect black levels.
And the burn in is kinda where it turns.
Yeah, the burn in is not a problem whatsoever.
On micro LED.
Right, so with OLED, if you leave a static image up on the screen for long periods of time
It'll be permanent, so that's-
Okay, so quick how-to tip, before we move on through the products.
What is your how-to advice on someone who says, I got a new OLED, I wanna take care of it.
What are we talking about, of leaving a static image for a long time, how long?
Well, this is like going to sleep and leaving a very bright CNN logo on it for Okay.
For five days.
It's not what I would characterize as normal watching.
It's not pausing TiVo to go make popcorn.
No, no, no, no.
This takes hours and hours and hours and hours of this static image, but for example, you play a video game, you know Zelda?
Those hearts up at the top, those things are there-
Really bright, punchy-
Literally all the time those are hearts are up there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so those can be there with OLED.
This doesn't have that problem at all, micro LED is immune to that.
So with the LG 88 inch 8K OLED now, getting a little less of a sexy headline, but what's the significance of this TV?
So again, OLED is our favorite screen technology, it's LG came out with the largest OLED ever.
By the way it's 88 inches, massively gigantic TV.
My bet is it's gonna cost more than this rollable which is only 65 and the current 77 inch OLED is about $7,000.
So it's natural for them to want to go even bigger and justify that extra resolution of 8K.
Plus it's OLED so Man, this thing, it looks so good.
And if you'll love know that when you get into the world of panel manufacturing, as you go that extra bump in size, you'll say wait, why does the biggest one cost so much more than the next smallest one?
Because it's the idea of yields on these fads, they have a very hard time making panels that are perfect edge to edge.
And the bigger the panel gets, The lower the odds are they're gonna get a good one.
That's the case wih Oled.
It's less of an issue now.
The thing that they've gotten really good at, it's just economies of scale.
They have to get better at making the larger sixes.
Make a lot of them.
That's the big big trend now in tvs is seventy five, eighty inch tvs that are actually affordable.
I know we're starting to trend for that being quasi normal.
Yes, totally I mean what was the, Black Friday fifteen hundred dollars, seventy five inch tvs, twelve hundred dollars seventy five inch tvs.
One of our very favorite TVs, the TCL 6 series, they just announced a 75 inch size for $1,800.
And this is a really good TV.
That's a big TV with Roku, great picture quality and well under $2,000.
Yeah, it was a cool announcement.
[INAUDIBLE] I remember a time when a 42 inch TV was $2,000, well back a ways.
Right, well that's the thing, in '75 you're like okay I'll buy one of these and bump my other TVs down and around my house.
Ok Vizio P series quantum X. What was significant about that?
This one I'm not familiar with.
So, Vizio is again one of our favorite
Bang for the buck manufacturers like a TCL.
In fact, they've been taking market share pretty handily from TCL the last couple of years cause TCL has Roku, Visio doesn't.
One of the big reasons, but Visio's kind of fighting back.
They released all of their TVs in 2019, the coolest one One is this Quantum X.
It's super bright, one of our favorite TVs last year, if you can afford OLED, if you're a video file guy, you had some money to spend.
But you don't wanna quite step up to two grand or 2,500 for a 65 inch OLED, get this Visio P Series Quantum last year, 65 inch is this year, they made it at 75 and 85, crossing my fingers, 85 might not come out.
But this TV, is.
That's awfully big.
I mean, a lot of people are going to be disappointed by that.
But the 75 is-
65 and 75 is a big deal, like you-
Said with TCL.
So Vizio is answering back with even more local dimming zones, higher brightness, better picture quality, very exciting television.
When they call it quantum, does that mean it's quantum dot?
So, it's quantum dot 10.
And they're also migrating quantum dot down into smaller sizes, so that's pretty cool.
Two quick ones to finish Whiz that are more about Core technologies.
You saw a TV technology from Hisense that I think is brilliant from the way you describe it.
Where they have two panels-
Not just one.
What is it, what are they doing?
So this is Hi Sense.
They are another Chinese brand but they are trying to make a big push in the US.
So the idea of local dimming is you have these zones behind the TV that can switch on and off and improve contrast.
The problem is that if your zones are big, then they spray light where you don't want it, especially if you have a moon for example that's got this blooming effect around it.
So this solves that by making, effectively, 2 million zones.
Because what it does is it takes a 1920 by 1080 panel, which is 2 million pixels-
Sandwiches it together with a 4k color panel, and the way Highsense describes it and the way the demo looked is you have local [UNKNOWN] behind that as well and you shine it thorugh, and those pixel from the 1080p panel effectively become dimming zones.
So the black and white panel that you don't see, which is behind the color inputs panel-
Yep, TV looks-
Is basically a super high accuracy A high resolution dimmer.
That's amazing, that's a brilliant idea.
There wree these engineers from Samsung and Sony running over there and taking measurements and everything.
You'd be like hm, you know what?
Yeah, right, here's something to steal.
That's why we need your comment on, we saw TV manufacturers We saw Apple and TV manufacturers come together with either Apple iTunes, video, and televisions without an Apple TV box, or having AirPlay.
What is going on?
Apple always said, if you want our video, you buy our box.
Well, you know what?
They're opening up, guys.
So you no longer need an Apple TV, which is their little box, To do Apple TV stuff which is iTunes video on your big screen.
Samsung got an exclusive you can go Samsung tv 2018 2019 models it's going to launch in spring.
If your an iTunes guy you'll press a little button their iTunes icon will be right there you can watch all your iTunes tv shows and movies straight from your Samsung tv no Apple TV required, which is cool.
That's a big story.
Exactly and its apple so they actually spread this out to other manufacturers too.
Samsung got that app
But on an LG, Vizio, and Sony TV, you can cast from your phone, you can air play from your phone directly to the TV.
Do you expect that all of them will also have iTunes Video as well?
Eventually that exclusive will expire, and if I was Sony and LG I would be negotiating to get that myself.
This is apple setting the table i assume for their coming Netflix killer to make sure their not screwing around with that fairly small with Apple TV it's like we got to get serious now.
Yeah their opening it up and their prepairing the way and its pretty cool.
Wow a lot going on Cats thank you.