The 404 Show 1,548: Mega iPhone 6, 6 Plus, Apple Pay and Apple Watch wrap-up extravaganza! (podcast)

[MUSIC] Welcome to the 404 show on this Tuesday, September 9th, 2014. I'm Jeff Bakalar joined by Iyaz Akhtar, Ariel Nuñez. Over on the board. Back here again. What's up buddy? Nothing much. Oh my god guys, do you know what today was? Tuesday. I phoned six mega, super, ultra addition. Okay? Yeah, as if that's the original working name of it. That's what we're gonna talk about today. Obviously, it's the biggest. Dude, now when the iPhone comes out, everyone pays attention. It's not just, you know, sort of this, this close-knit community of tech people. I guess that's not always because of Apple but it was everyone had something to add. Huh. I think this one more so than the last one. The five x it's Yeah no. like when they're when they move full numbers that's when people are like oh something's cools really coming. And then all the rumors of the watch turns out to be true that thing. Kind of really push this thing forward. Because otherwise, we were saying, like, last year, people like, eh. [CROSSTALK] Last year was crap. This year was not crap. Definitively un-crap. And, we're just gonna run right through the whole damn thing, because this was a long event. It clocked in at around two hours again. Yeah. There was a U2 performance, which tacked on- At the very end. Way more time than anyone wanted to be there for. But nevertheless let's start right off with the iPhone 6 and 6 plus. The iPhone 6 is gonna be a 4.7 inch phone, and the 6 plus is 5.5. Different pricing structures. Yeah, so pretty much everything that we saw already in the leaks, everything that was rumored, that's all true. So, 4.7 like instead of 5.5. I think the six starts at one 99 and the six plus starts at two 99. It's got a lot of, the six plus I'm actually more interested in, because it's got optical image stabilization. So if you like to take pictures- Because the six does not have that. No, I was looking at a comparison chart. Mm. That's like one of the. That kind of flew under the radar a little bit. That's one of the biggest difference between the two right now other than the size. The processors the same the resolution is a little bit better on the 6 plus. Right the 6 plus is at 1080p from. Yeah. The other one is not. Right. That one's less Ps. I think it's, like, a 720p plus. So if you- Yeah, a little, little bit greater than 720p, probably. Yeah. And so, like, the, it's, available for pre-order on the 12th. And, what else? The 5S and 5C aren't dead. Right. 5C is free? 5C is free. I think the 5S is- $99. $99? Yeah. That's cents. Like, cheap. [LAUGH] Man, 99 cents. Yeah, so. You know, I think the 5S, the 5C for free, you really can't beat that deal. You know, I mean, I'm no like, coupon clipper or anything. But that's a great deal for that. You're not? I'm not. You should. Get into that. I guess. but, yeah, it's a great deal and, I don't know, I, I guess I am kind of impressed more so with the camera than anything else. Why do you say that? I don't know It's an eight megapixel camera, Right, but the, the optical image stabilization seems impressive, seems like it's more flushed out on the iPhone 6 Plus than any other phone that I've seen. I thought that, there's a bunch of Nokia phones, I'm sure we're gonna get emails about it, Nokia phones had Optical stabilization. With like actual moving parts, using the gyroscope and everything. Yeah, that's why it's optical, otherwise it's digital. All right, well, I guess it's. I think your phone might have it actually. No way. The G3? I don't think it has it. I can go find out, but we got video of the plus. Okay. Taken right from the event. I think it's Scott Stein's got it. And you can see that, there's a lot of freakin space on this device. But like, they stuck to the same rows. Four icons. Four columns that is. It has a new landscape home mode and they have this thing called reachability, which is kinda like the Samsung s5, where you can reach everything with a thumb, but what they do is they shove everything from the top of the screen down, as opposed to shrinking everything to the lower two thirds, right, it's kind of a cool, it's a cool imitation, cuz that's been Apple's big thing, right? You gotta reach everything with one thumb. Pretty cool. I you know, side by side, they actually do look quite different, in terms of size. You see it right there. It's a big jump. It's a totally big jump, It's significant. They gotta compete against all real things and YouTube's suggesting I watch baby medal again. Well, of course. [LAUGH] Clearly, our theme and can't enough of that. I can't. Yeah I feel like the pricing though kind of caught me off guard. I, because I, I guess this was like the first year where I was maybe considering doing something like that. What? Yeah. You would get an iPhone? Yeah, but like just considering. I'm not getting it. I'm not. Definitively not. What would have made you get one? Because this thing has a lot of. Cool features. Yeah, I don't think there's any way that I get it now. You know what I mean? I just don't think there's anything that it's ever going to do. Yeah, maybe, maybe one day, but as, as it stands right now, I'm just not interested. But the 16GB iPhone six starts at $200, the six plus starts at $300 and they go $100 each. Capacity increase. But now, it's weird, so there's no more 32 gigabyte phone. It goes 16, 64, 128. You. So why do you even start with the 16? Just to get that price low, right? Yeah. Get that concept so you can stay. We see, and you're gonna buy in the store. But really? What's the freaking difference between 16 and 32. Well. In price. Just cents. Is it 40 cents? Oh, for Apple? Yeah. Probably less than that. So what the hell are we doing? It's just that when you go to the page it says. Starting at It's psychology, man. Starting at [CROSSTALK] At 199. Right. And that's the same thing that's gonna happen with this watch. Which we'll get to in a little bit as well. Checking on the G3, by the way, you do have optical image stabilization. Shut up. You have it already. Sick. So you're more in love with your phone than ever. [LAUGH] Sick. And I love it, I do love it. For a droid. I already, guess what? I already have a 5.5 inch screen. What's up? So that's it? That's what a five five would feel like. Yeah. This is exactly what it feels like. I mean it's big, dude. It's a large phone. I mean, there's not getting around it? You know? it's significant, is the way I euphamize this description. Significant? Significant. That'll be the S, what the S stands for next year, and the plus S or whatever they're gonna call it. Right. That's a whole other mess. Yeah let's worry about that, cross that bridge when we get to it. So yeah, there you have it. And yes, the 5S is now $100, the 5C is free. And you gotta ve cyned about that. They did boast a lot of specs on this thing. It seems like it's going to be significantly than the five and the 5S.>> Yeah, I think the eight processor is in this.>>Right>> and there in both of the devices not like theres an a eight x like, the last one was a 6x or a 5x at some point,>> sure>> and. I mean, you're gonna need a lot of processing power to drive all those freaking pixels cuz these are, these are pretty dense phones. Right. And the gaming stuff, they showed a bunch of gaming things. Did you take a look at the video of that? I did. What did you think? I know it's, it's all casual gaming stuff. It's just, it's very goofy to me. And I don't like and they do this every freaking time, every year they pull this crap, and they go, oh it's got better resolution than next gen consoles Well it's like yeah, I mean, there's really not a lot of complicated stuff happening when your comparing something like Destiny to, what was this game called, like Vein, something like Vein I don't know Royal Vein, I think that might have been it. Whatever the hell it is. I'm sorry, like, that you cannot continue to make that a talking point in your argument in favor of mobile gaming. I'm not writing off mobile gaming, it's significant, it has a presence it's ultra mega popular. But don't start trying to throw these, these deliberately deceiving specs at me. And even think for a freaking second, that gaming on your iPhone 6 Plus can hold any sort of similar experience. There's a good chance you're not exactly the audience for that. I understand that, but they're trying to manipulate the real truth. That's the entirety of the presentation about every single aspect of this. You get a phone, it's a camera, it's a great camera, get a real DSLR and you're like. Well this thing is a piece of garbage. Well no. I'm, I, I think that line is blurring. I still think they're very- That's funny. That's really funny. [LAUGH] I think they are, you know, on, on two, totally separate sides of the spectrum. Mm-hm. But, I mean, let's be honest. Phones, some phones, do take, remarkable photographs. And the iPhone, I've always admitted, does. And this six is going to take kick-ass photos as well. So I, yes, the difference between like an amazingly long lens on an SLR, you know, you can't even mention that in the same breath, but the differences are, you know, shrinking. I think. Right you agree alright, alright.>> I do agree especially with the video, cause that sounds like the new video gonna be really good, I Yeah>> Mean how many frames per second?>> 240 frames>> 240 that's ridiculous>> Maxingout>> a red shoots in 300 frames>> Right>> So that's getting closer and closer,>> For sure now obviously the image on a red camera>> Oh way better. It's going to be slightly better. Way. [CROSSTALK] Just a little bit. Astronomically better. It's doing 1080p at a 240. Right. It's pretty good. It's impressive, and you know, they show you these demo videos, and you know guys are like jumping rope, doing flips. I hope you can find something like that to shoot. You know, if you can find something as awesome as that to shoot. Well, you can like flick a pen long enough and then like, look at the in slow mo. Yeah I mean. You saw that Dave Chapelle bit right? Everything looks cooler in slow mo. Without a doubt. I think that's what this is for. But yeah. I don't know know. I just this we're right where we need to be. Physics and science don't, will not allow, camera phones, to become better than like long lens [INAUDIBLE]. There's a phrase I haven't heard in a while. [INAUDIBLE] Camera phones. Camera phones. Yes [INAUDIBLE]. What do you want me to say? It's just a smart phone now. Isn't it? Smart phone camera. What, what smart phone doesn't have a freaking camera? Oh just let me be for five seconds. Fine. All right. I'll leave you alone. I'm just picking at you like. So, so the camera yes, super impressive two hundred forty frames per second, but you gotta think like when the phones doing, that the image quality's gonna have to suffer a little bit. Well the claim is that it's got better low eye performance, and there's supposed to be better panorama's which. We got a write up about the camera piece. It says 43 megapixels, is the image resolution you'll get on a panorama. Before it was like 20 something. Right. And, because of the gyroscope they're claiming that the stitching is gonna be a lot cleaner. Mm-hm. And the panoramas on iPhones are usually quite good, when it comes to having this, big like stadium looking shadow or whatever it's gonna be. Right. So that's, that's something I know. That lots of people freaking love. Like, oh look at the panorama. I was like here, and turn, and turn. That's gonna be really nice looking apparently. It's, it's gonna be real nice looking. So, if you, are you gonna get one? Likely. You are gonna get one? I'm likely gonna get one. A plus? I, I don't know if I'm gonna get the plus or not cause the optical image stabilization is a really big deal to me. Well there you have it. And so, the 5.5", I might be borrowing your phone a lot more often and going hm. Remember you get used to it. Actually if you're like me and you have big hands. I've been running with the ACC1 the M7 the original one. And cuz I was like this. [CROSSTALK] call them the M7. Yeah, but I mean, they didn't call it the M7. Yeah. But once the M8s came out yeah, so, the M7. So, like it was about the same size as the iPhone about 4.7 inch screen. I'm like, okay, it's got the same kinda back design I'm gonna get, try to get used to this. If I wanted to get the iPhone 6. Right, yeah. And I kinda liked it, so the thing is I'll see if I can do a 5 5 I guess if I were to get one, I'd get that, that, 64 GB plus. But that's a lot of money. So $400 is the on contract price, right? Yeah, two year deal, you have to go with that. That's a lot of money man. It's a lot of money. You get a Fire Phone for like, $.99 if you want. Yeah, I mean. Because you know. You can get the G3 for probably, I think $150. And you can expand the memory on it, there's. And it, you could pop in 128 micro SD card. I mean, you are paying a gigantic premium. There's going to be a lot of. A lot of that. I'm sure, I think it's ov, it's over 1,000 comments already on the iPhone 6 post on CNet. Mm-hm. Because they're like, Android's got all these features. It's like, yes, that's true. This is like getting the iPhone up to parody again, because the Android phones have gotten, like, crazy impressive. Like, they're awesome. Oh, they've been, this was a gigantic catch-up affair today. That's why I've had a, I've had an Android phone since, like, my last iPhone was a 3G. It was my iPhone and my last iPhone. So I haven't got, had another iPhone until probably this next one. Sure. But that's a huge gap. But I think they've got caught up a lot. I'm also curious. Not curious. I really want that keyboard functionality because they announced that IOS 8's gonna be out on September 17th. And without Swype, like, I don't want to freaking use an iPhone. Sure. I really hate that keyboard. But now they're bringing that predictive texting. Mm-hm. And it's happening. And you can use other keyboards, so Swype away. And you can use other keyboards. Yeah, that's the thing. You can use third party keyboards. So like, I can use the same SwiftKey or Swype and have the same custom dictionary, which is like. I can use both phones, whatever, And, was there a thing with widgets too? Widgets, I don't remember, I remember that being possible with jailbroken stuff. I know that some of the icons themselves are sort of widgets, like the time, the actual clock tells you the accurate time. Like for me, it comes down to a lot of niche, sort of trivial, not trivial things, but specific uses that I really enjoy about Android phones. I really like the custom ability. Still they way I can put a widget wherever I want. I can make as many screens as I want. I like having something where it's like oh the whether right here in a nice display on my phone. That's what I dig man, I like doing that. I also enjoy having the ability to play oh I don't know like a flak. Music file, on my phone. Right I don't. Can you do that on iPhones? I don't. I think if you have, if you have loaded the music or video that is not supported in an app that can support it, it'd work. But it won't work in the regular players. I remember VLC, when it first came out for iOS,. You could put whatever you want as long as you installed it in the app itself on iTunes. Right. Which is a real crappy way to do it. Not like Android where, that's like a computer. Like, you can flat-out say play with this this application. But that's a very different thing. I, that's, with my one I'm just so irritated. I, I use the same thing. I have like music widgets. Right. For sure. And I have my email widgets. It's like I use a, I use a music player called. Poweramp. And it is fan-freaking-tastic. And I actually will not leave that phone, leave Android, because I love Poweramp so much. And it lets me play whatever I want. And I love not having to deal with hooking up my phone to iTunes and doing stuff like that. Whatever. This is not a whole show. About me personally hating on iPhones, okay? [LAUGH] I'm just telling people I'm trying to have a. That's every other show. That's every other show. Exactly. Be back tomorrow with a very special episode. But you understand what I'm saying, right? Totally get it, yeah. All right, so what else about the iPhone before we move on to the other things of the day. Pretty much what we expected. Battery life? They're claiming there's more, I gotta actually check the apple site for that. Because they didn't talk about it in the keynote. They simply were like oh, yeah, there's an iPhone and here's an iPhone bigger one, and we're good to go. I believe they did have a chart with bigger numbers in the iPhone 6 column. Bigger numbers? Yes. You mean, like. And bigger numbers equal better battery performance. Okay, let me go find the comparison. I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure their, their statement was. The iPhone 6 and 6 plus best the previous iPhones in every category metric by at least an hour. Alright talk so talk time on the plus up 24 hours on 3G, talk time on the 6 14 hours on the 3G. Stand by time 16 hours on the plus. wait, there are 6, it's, wait. Stand by time is 16 days, excuse me. Mm-hm. On the plus. 10 days on the 6, and there's claiming like 12 hours of 3G internet on the plus, so everything's better. Right. On the plus. But yes, all of this is better than the 5 and the 5C which still remain. So if you like tiny iPhones you still got em. Sure. Video playback 14 hours on the plus. So, improvements across the aboard. Yeah. We've got all of this and like. The only thing, the only difference I'm looking at, [UNKNOWN] charts of excitement. I know if you, watching my video. If you go to my screen this is amazing, look at these charts. This is from Apple, you can see the [INAUDIBLE] and you see that pretty much everything is the same except here. Optical image stabilization. There it is man. Jerks [LAUGH] Sons of [BLEEP] But they totally woulda had me right away with [UNKNOWN] [CROSSTALK] Talking about, you're talking about how many millimeters? Like four? I'm sorry. For the camera? LIke a .4 millimeter's difference? [COUGH] right? 0.4 millimeters on what? Between the plus and the six? On what, thickness? Yeah. Oh I don't know. Is that true? They're really similar in design, in, in thickness. Then that's a no way. I guess they didn't want that camera popping out even further. Cuz it actually is, it is not flush. It does protrude. Yeah. Ooh you protruder. [LAUGH] It's bad news. Okay. Before we get to the watch, Apply Pay. Oh, right, that thing. Oh, yeah. So tell us a little bit about Apple Pay. Apple Pay is Apple's NFC payment system that's suppose to be. Pretty much what we were expecting again. So you can put your credit cards into this, they're supposed to be able to tap to pay with it. And, pretty much what I got, except you don't, there's no credit card information being transferred between the device and the retailer. Your name isn't there, they're saying your credit card number isn't there, it's just like, here's a one use. Token. Let's drop it off. So there's this like, magical sort of process that happens It's supposed to [INAUDIBLE] Where you photograph your, your, your credit card. Mm-hm. Which already sounds super safe to me. Google Wallet does that. Okay. You photograph that, Apple will somehow. Do a verification with your bank. Once that process is complete, you then have an iPhone pass, was it the passport? The pass book. Pass book. Mm-hm. And the wallet. Mm-hm. Where it won't say the actual number onscreen. It'll just sort of be represented through some sort of graphic. Yeah, so, so like an image of it. And I think in the intro, in the demos we saw, we saw like Bank of America. We saw the card. Right. But we didn't see a number on it. but. Now, now, continue to suspend your disbelief for a second, while this not only does that, it will never, be able to be compromised because, correct me if I'm wrong, it's only gonna store. The credit card information, locally, encrypted locally. I think that's right. It doesn't go up to the cloud. Right. And you need to be touching the touch ID, Right. to authenticate it's you. So, So if you lose your phone, it's still No one can do it, unless they have your thumb. Which Which will happen very soon. That's, gonna happen. Where someone is going to get their phone jacked. As well as their thumb. [LAUGH] You remember those old stories about touch IDs being hacked already? People using. Yeah. Scotch tape or like, graphite from a pencil or something. Sure. To fool it. And so that's probably gonna be, those stories will pop up next. It's, like, how I fooled this device. Now, now don't you think, okay, I get it. Their, now, their next ambition is getting rid of your wallet. Okay. So cash is pretty much on it's way out, right? For the most part, yeah. For the most part it's on it's way out. Checks are kinda of their way out, I wish they were on their way out. I wish they were more on their way out. They seem to have their foot stuck in the door, and it's pissing me off. But, yeah, so, so credit cards are now like the next target for Apple. But my credit card. Never runs out of battery. And I think that's something that people maybe need to think about for a second. Maybe that's a good thing that it runs out of battery. You can't buy something, like, well, you know what. Oh, no, no, no. You can't play this game right now. No, I'm just thinking You can't play I have my own limits on my own cards [CROSSTALK] I get it. I get it. I'm not saying that it's a [INAUDIBLE] People with spending issues aside, okay? So they're really talkative and like, okay, as long as I keep talking. If you keep me on the phone, I can't buy any of this. Keep me on the phone. Now. There's a service right there. I know, I know. You start it, you let me know how it goes. I'm on it. I'm on it right now. [INAUDIBLE] And a lot of people are rolling their eyes, like really? How often is your phone going to run out of battery when you have to buy something? Probably not too often. Well it's not like they're forcing to keep the cards out of your pocket. I know, but then it's like, what's the point? Cuz you have your phone out already. I know, but if I want like, my phone to be the multipass, of everything, like my car keys, my house keys, everything, which is what, which is the future that I do want. I do want that. Okay. I want this to be everything. It's not yet. I still carry all this crap with me. I don't know. I feel like it's, it's, it's a weird sort of thing. Now, in terms of where it's accepted, Apple Pay will be at a lot of major retailers. But, you know, when you're watching their whole spiel about where it's gonna be. It's gonna be at Macy's and Bloomingdale's and Staples and Subway, McDonald's, and all this stuff. It's like alright well what about everywhere else, and I get it like you know your kind of like forcing people to conform or get out of the way, and I just think it's kind of crazy that you know you have this one standard and if c that's tried to become pervasive. You know you can use it, Edwin Reads with Google Wallet and stuff like that. Well, what I'm worried about personally is, am I gonna be able to, not use Apple Pay and still do this? Well I mean, you can. It depends how, how the hardware is on the other side. Right? Right. If, if, if it can accept Google Wallet. It's like if you went to a place that only took Visa, and not MasterCard, you're screwed right? Sure. That kind of thing. Or the other way around. Whatever your card may be. Like if you have Discover. not the one where you're screwed, right, no one picks that. No, no one does. And I feel terrible because they're like a big NHL sponsor [CROSSTALK] I'm just like. You could use it at Sears if you're exited at that. Cool. But the idea is that it's not like, if the retailers can take more than one type. Doesn't really matter, right? Right. As long as you can tap whatever phone, cuz NFC and I know you guys are going to write in about this. Android phones have had NFC payments for a long time. Right, forever. It's like built into the battery, right? I think some of them have but there are some that are actually built into a tag, that you can put on for your, if your phone didn't have the hardware. Right, sure you could just like put a sticker on it. Yeah, so like. The tap to pay, it's still mind-boggling how many clerks have no idea what I'm doing when I try that. Because my card itself has pay pass, which I didn't even know that I had. Right. That's another tap to pay system. It's in your credit card. Yeah. So when I use this, I've had clerks go, what did you just do? I go- How did you pay for that? I just- Am I being robbed? It's like, no, it's, it says pay pass. Yeah. I can use this. And like, also, it makes sure I have a discount. You know what it is? It's just lack of education, and lack of transparency. And I think, if it takes Apple to sort of kick start that whole revolution, all right. Yeah. Maybe I'm okay. [INAUDIBLE] I don't. They're really good at that. You, you think? They are really good at that. They are great at forcing trends to change and what not. They're, like, hey, you want, you gotta use wi fi. Why? There's no more internet ports. Right. Hey, you want it. But, okay. Don't give Apple credit for wi fi. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying, you wanna popularize something. Apple's, like, you know what? You want optical drive? **** you, no optical drive. [CROSSTALK] You're gonna be duped. How do we do it? You gotta use the cloud with a MyDrive? Right. What you calling that stupid thing, iDrive? No, you're right? And they did airplay. Deon-A has been around forever, and everyone was like what is Deon-A? Yeah but you know, yeah, alright, I get you're right. You're right. And the other thing that's going to happen is Android's going to benefit like crazy too. Cus you're gonna be like oh yeah, my phone can do that too. Apple very explain whats apps going on you like wow google wallet can do this [INAUDIBLE] done put again more people have android phone right so there's got to be some sort of thing worked can be like alright apex or visa, you know Visa or MasterCard, Apple pay or google wallet I feel like were not there yet I don't know maybe I can use Google wallet we more places than I know. I can use google wallet as an app on an iPad. I know that. Okay. So that's weird. I don't know if you can tap and pay with that. I bet I can do it like really well on this phone already, and you can bring like any credit card. Everything you're [INAUDIBLE] with is [INAUDIBLE]. You just had no idea. It's got more pixels, it's got more pixels than the 6 Plus, so it's killing it on that, if you like to read stuff that's awesome, it's got laser focus stuff going on. You're right though, it is funny how the headlines already are these like, Apples revolutionizing payment. And it's like no dude. You're just the loudest person in the bar screaming about it. I mean Google's tried, everyone's tried this. This is the thing. Even the credit card companies tried it. They couldn't get it together. Remember when they called Isis. Yeah, they did call it Isis. Now they're Softcard. Yeah, good idea. That's good rebranding. Step out of that room for a second. Just separate ourselves from those four letters, maybe, for the end, you know until the end of time. But, yeah, it's I, I just, fine. Let's just let Apple, you know, carve out the sort of path of innovation and then the rest of us can just get in and finally be like, yeah we know it's been around for a while, just take my Google wallet, okay, and be done with it. All right, time to skip ahead to the Apple watch. Not the iWatch as some sites are, and Twitter is already saying, it's not the iWatch. It's the Apple watch. And it's coming in 2015, starting at $350. It'll be offered in three varieties. Mm-hm. An Apple watch proper, Apple watch sport. Which is for people who run, I guess. And then an Apple watch addition, which sounds like a sentence fragment but is sort of like the businessman version of it. Because it has a different, each has different bit and finishes on them, so the sports got like a rubberized What would you call it, a wristband? Yeah, yeah. The regular edition's got like a, cool looking, metal band, and- And you'll still be able to swap out bands. Yeah. I don't know if it's a proprietary band, because of what they showed. It's like, it's easy to remove, and it didn't look like a standard, so I wasn't sure- No, yeah they're not standards. They're, it's a, it's a proprietary, watch band, interface port. Is what to call it, I don't know. We got this. There's the watch, and one of them comes in like in a gold finish, So if you wanna get gold around it. Right, okay. That's the, that's the fancy schmancy edition. So they, they didnt say much about pricing. All they said is that it's gonna start at $350 okay. That one on the left that we just showed, the standard watch. That's the one we talked about. That's the one that's gonna be $349, and its gonna be. Yeah. It's also smaller right? You know I don't know. I think they all come in two sizes. That's what I thought was going on. Oh okay. Cause they were as detailed as that one video was that they played for like ten minutes. That's I kind of zoned out during it I'm like. Why are they so hot? Yeah. They were talking for a while about it. They, they kinda lo, I think it still remains to be seen. Maybe they will have two sizes in each addition. But we know for sure that the regular standard Apple watch will have the smaller sort of form factor. Cause if you got them little there baby wrists. It's not going to look like a crazy watch on your, on your wrist. Yeah, they were, this is really intelligent. I mean a lot of the complaints with these Android wear watches is they're freaking gigantic. Yeah, they're big, they're big watches. They look fine on guys wrists but I mean, if you're going to sell to the other half of the world you probably want something that looks nice. And most, and I, you know, women do have smaller wrists, but Hell, I even have, like. Tinier wrists than normal. I can't get away with wearing gigantic watches all the time. So it's, I think it's a very smart and considerate thing, a big move by them. Okay, so now let's talk about what the hell it is. And it, this is it, they're all in on this thing. I, I really didn't, I was actually surprised. As to how detailed and developed it all seems to be on the surface. And I guess that makes sense because they haven't said a peep officially about the smart watch Mm-hm. market. In all these years. They've clearly been working on this forever. So I guess it is dumb to think that they wouldn't have had a severely sophisticated, sort of, piece of equipment. Nevertheless,. They seem to have a great grasp on what does not work with the whole fitness movement, now I;m not saying it's the best version of it cause no one has it yet, and no one has tested it yet but it does seem to be on paper the most ambitious and probably well rounded approach. At, at, at forcing that environment on your, on your watch. Yeah, there's a lot, there's a special app, the workout app that's gonna be on the, on the device and on your phone. You, it's, it kind of bugs you to move around every now and then, it's tracking your fitness progress. It, it kind of reminds me of the Vivo Fit. It'll actually say, like, move, move. Right. And it seems like, you're right, ambitious is a really good word for it because they were claiming that this watch is fine for their like most casual user and even athletes. So, they went all the way through. Like if you just kind of run or you're really serious or you're real athlete go for it. I, I don't know. It's just, it's just it's supposed to be a music player as well. Mm-hm. They have mentioned no capacities whatsoever. Well I, I think it that's working in tandem with you iPhone. I don't think that. No they said you could use it by I don't. itself as a music player. As I said, you can listen to music and you can control the music from your phone, or from the device itself. You can store music? It's supposed to be. How? It's the Nano. It's pretty much- If there's no interface it's just gonna wi-fi sync music over to it? I would image so. Well alright. So the interface in the back is a magnetic [UNKNOWN] design that charges the phone. They didnt talk about [UNKNOWN] they didnt talk about battery life but they did elude to the fact that you will be charging it every night. This doesnt last all day. [UNKNOWN] like all day performance. That doesnt mean anything. And Tim Cook went out of his way to say. That people are going to be using this a lot every day so, look, it would blow my freaking mind if this thing comes out and has to be charged every eight hours. There's no way that's the deal, right? Every eight hours. There's just, there's just no way. There's no way. Well I mean that, it's, it's a watch. You first and foremost you have to be able to tell the time on this thing, all the time. And even in our videos we, we got a bunch of videos on CNET, of this. And it's just spinning around like on a stick. Yeah. Where you can in a demo zone. It's hard to freaking see in bright light. Yeah. That's whats throwing me off. if you can't see the watch, cuz it doesn't look like an old light to me it looks like LE, like an LCD. Mm-hm. Which Apple really freaking loves to use. Yeah, but If you can't see the watch Right. Even if it could last all day, you can't see the damn thing. Yeah, then what's the freaking point? Yeah. So, there's some really interesting ideas here. What I'm curious on is. Apple showing what they're going to do, and then giving the industry 3 or 4 months to copy this,is cause like one of the things they did they said look our interface were not gonna do pinch to zoom on this. They actually figured out there going to use the dial on the right side as an interface to through all your apps or go through it's basically like the quick wheel. You can turn the thing around it's a smart idea.>> Yeah they call that a digital crown. I's so copyable, of course, I just thought its weird to like, hey look, what we're going to do, We're gonna show everyone how to do this.>> So Samsung, go for it.>> yeah but, ok LG go for it.>> I wanted this to lead into a major talking point that I'd like to bring up. You get a new phone every two years, right? The hardcore people [CROSSTALK] get it every one year. Mm-hm. And then the casual people every three to five years let's say. I think that's a conservative estimate. Okay. Okay. Well how often do you get a watch? It's what, a couple years? Some people get watches every ten years. Yeah. Okay. I, I think there's something weird about, you know, you're gonna get this iPhone watch. Okay? And, I'm sorry, you're going to get this Apple watch. [LAUGH] iPhone watch. You're gonna get this Apple watch, and then in 2016, 2017, they come out with a new one. I mean, are they, are you going to do this sort of, you know, upgrade situation with your watch now every two years? Every three years? Is that something people are willing. This were to get into. Cuz this is also not like a subsidized sort of price thing. This thing's gonna be $350 for the bare bones one. Mm-hm. The one that people probably won't want, right? So I'd say minimum, what, $400, $450? Easily. For the one you do what. Yeah, like the middle one. The middle guy. If you want the expensive one, I'm gonna guess something like $699. At like. Well the, the goal one is going to be, it has to be 7 or 800 bucks. Something crazy like that. But it's jewelry. It's straight up jewelry. You don't replace jewelry as often as you replace your phone, and that's the point I'm trying to make. Well maybe if the only smart thing they could do with this is make sure their wrist, the wrist bands themselves. Can be used on any future one. Maybe [CROSSTALK] Sure. Okay fine. You're not spending the full amount, which is going to be a crap ton of money. It's a lot of money, man. But this is fashion. Apple brought in so many fashion people. I get it. Lately. How do you make people have an expectation of yes, I will buy a new one of these every couple years. And people do with their clothes, they do with their cars. Is this idea of this plan obsolescence crap. Like hell yeah, your car looks like garbage cuz there's a new design right now. That's, it doesn't matter if your car works for ten years. You're like yeah, you know that new Honda Fit. Nicer than my Honda Civic. I'm not sure that. I mean I think that happens with some people. But, but. That's the point, they try to get you to do this. It's like an economics class. Of course they try, yeah. I mean, you know, but it's not like they're making like self destructive cars, I guess. These things, well think about it. It's sealed, right, that battery's gonna die. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] [INAUDIBLE] coin battery like some of these other devices. You need to [UNKNOWN] to get to that battery. Right, so you get like, this thing is gonna be sealed. So it's probably gonna have a battery life of like what, two, three years? all right, why not? So it stops holding a charge after a while? It has to be finite. And you're like this piece of garbage needs to be replaced. That might be the only way to get you to do it. All right, so okay, you're all in. Let's say your Joe consumer and you're all in on this new iPhone 6 Plus. That is mine. Hybrid. Mm-hm. With you know, combined, tandemed with. The Apple Watch. All right, so let's say you even dec, **** it. You're gonna get the iPhone 6 Plus, and you're gonna spend what? You're gonna spend at least $300 on a Plus, 'kay? Cuz that's where it starts at. Yep, that's the minimum. And at least 350, so you're already in for $650. That's true. Okay. That is a shocking amount of money for your watch and your phone. And that's just for the items, not including. Given the service fees, yet of then, of the phone. Service fee. You're gonna want a new, you're gonna want a case for your phone. You're gonna want a new band for your watch. You can get other bands. And you're in. For at least now, what feels like over $700. If anybody can get people to part with that much money, cuz the thing is, it's less than a laptop. That's one of the first things. Does it replace a laptop? Not even close. The watch is more than the phone, than, than the phone! Well, cuz those things are subsidized. I know. If you were to look at the phone directly, like I would look at the price. It's $900. Yeah, exactly, you're paying 1000 bucks for that phone if you get it unlocked, and it's yours, forever. But, I dunno, maybe. I dunno how they're gonna pull it off but Apple is really good at doing that stuff. The iPad made no sense to a lot of people. Like it's a big iPod Touch. Who the heck needs this. People bought it. People bought it. I mean, who needs a That's why It's telling you what to do. YOu see the heartbeat thing? Sure. Strange. You can send your own heartbeat to somebody else that with, it's called Digital Touch. See, I wanted Jeff to feel my heartbeat. Right. I can push a button. [CROSSTALK] You know, and I get that. And I think people will be into that. I feel like, if I"m on business and. Stacy's home and she'll do that. They both had to have the watch. Well yeah, we're not. Now your in for $700 already. Oh, so it's $1400. I'm just saying you each got a watch, only. But you need to have a phone- But for two people, right, but two people have to have it. That's why you have to have the phone. $1400 man. Gosh. $1400 for the heart beat. That's like, that's just. The heart beat. The heart beat. I heard harpy. I'm like, what's the harpy? No, the heart beat simulation thing costs $1400. Is what that costs, a minimum. Tweet it out now. That's [INAUDIBLE] Well I guess, I guess if you take the S. It's for and then, it's $1100. Because you can get, you do it with the regular iPhone 6. I don't, I don't get it. Or I guess you know, you can do it with the iPhone 5 and all those things. But you, you get the point. It's a lot of money. It, it's a gimmick right now. And the thing is, when Apple came out with the iPod. What did that cost, Ariel? It was, like, 400, 500 bucks. Yeah. And the first iPod. It was expensive. Yeah. Yeah. The five gigabyte. We're all, like, for what? For music? You're gonna listen to music to the point where you're gonna pay $500 to carry your whole freaking collection? Like that's the idea, and they're, like, yeah. It was, but, you know what? But for me, the iPod was always a luxury item. It was always, like, Mm-hm. That's the big gift you give. Like this watch. Yeah, I guess. I gues.s I dunno. It's kinda crazy that it is missing the holiday season. Yeah, it's next year that it's coming out not, they talked about it. It's got like, they said early 2015 but no actual date. Right, so that's you know, that's not January 1st. It's like maybe Q1. They're probably hoping for some kind of battery break-through miracle. The next couple of months. Like, Oh good- Praying to the battery capacity gods. 25 hours, right now. And the other thing is the design. I don't know, I, it's not that pretty. Yeah, I, I did want to say something about that. Don't think it's that gorgeous. It looks like ever other smart watch. Yeah, there's, you're right Ariel. There's nothing. It's not that great. There's nothing, you know, sexy about it. And I hate to use that word. There's a lot of freaking bezel. I feel, Apple's really smart about this. You have a lot of black around here. Right. Cuz they had the black screen. Right. But when they show the images that are on this and they're a full bleed, like, you see. You can see the edges. So there isn't like a black bezel around the actual images. And there's a silver bezel around that, so that's a lot of, That reminds me of the original iPad with just a ton of bezel. You know, for me nothing is going to replace the beautiful, a beautifully crafted wrist watch. Okay. Like for me actual motion, it's, it's like, you know what it's like man? It's like freakin' virtual pinball and regular pinball. There's nothing that replaces lookin' down at the play field with actual moving parts and that to me is a lot of fun. And you see this virtual pinball stuff, yeah, I play it, I like it, but it's not like having. The real pinball in front of you. And, the same thing goes for a wristwatch. I love looking at mechanical movement. I like the freaking back of my watch that has, like, you know, the automatic stuff, you could see the gears and crap moving. Like, that's cool to me. I'm now realizing that that's probably what they try to mimic. Like, if you look at the back of it they have these sensors, right. So you have these like, they're actually like four dots. They have that wheel which is very similar. They're claiming a lot of, they called it tap thick engine instead of. Haptic. I, I don't know if that's a, a term that I've never heard, or there's, there's an Apple retina style kinda name. Yeah. I think it's just the Apple, Apple-fication of haptic. So you can turn a dial, you can have a lot of things that they can probably mimic. I think that might be something that Apple would do. Cuz they need to get that [CROSSTALK] I, right. But I do respect the fact that they mimic the crown. Mm-hm. I think that's brilliant. You know, that, that really is smart. But, that's kinda where it ends. Oh, yeah. Like, what else are you gonna do? Unless you're making an automatic digital watch which would be so cool! If your wrist movement could power your, your Apple watch, like kinetic, You ever seen those you ever seen those iPod Nano watches? Yes, I have one. That's what this looks like to me. Yeah, it does look similar. And I feel like if you wanna sell a smartwatch it should be completely different. But. What do in, in, what do you mean? Like, from what a nano watch kinda looked like? Yeah, cuz, I mean, look, this looks like a nano with one of those bands that you buy. Yeah, I mean, the functionality is obviously light-years ahead of that. Yeah, yeah. But look-wise? But look-wise, no, it's not. I also felt like the whole navigation of the app thing, mm, didn't look as great as they were kinda making it to be. Cuz essentially you have this like field of small icons. Mm-hm. Kind of like honeycombed in a, in a field. Perfect shot over there. And. You know the whole time they're like yeah you don't need to use, you don't need to touch the screen to obstruct your view. You just use the crown. But when it comes to selecting apps, you do have to like hunt and peck a little bit, with your finger, to find the app you wanna, start. So that's gonna be strange too. That can be a lousy point. Like if you, if it does not. If they're not accurate when you're touching the screen. That was I mean that's something iPhone was really good at when it first came out. Compared to anything else it was really good at actually figuring out where you're trying to touch. Yeah. Especially the keyboard. Right. Which I now hate. yeah. But it's still really it was, it was like light years ahead of other things. When it comes tp this watch. If it's not sensitive enough, when you're trying to touch these little icons. Cause you're right, they're not really in a grid at all, it's a mess. Right. There's like a couple, there's three on the top, four in the middle there. There's three in the middle there, this layered look. When you zoom out it's like a weird x shape. It's a bizarre interface. Yeah, and I kind of feel like they shouldn't have gone that route with the phone, with the watch rather. It's like your your gonna basically flood peoples watches with all these apps and your gonna open it up and I and I guess what's the point if your not gonna allow that. But to me the whole sort of like Google Now version where it's like this is all it is you know like there just four screens that you go through. I don't know. I guess I would like the option to add more stuff but at the same time I don't wanna be the **** **** Tracying around on my phone, on my watch. I think the idea, this interface means this is not how you're supposed to use it. You're supposed to be looking at the watch, and when the notifications come in cuz they showed the glance ability things. That's really the way it's supposed to be. Yeah. You have the passive messagings. You can actually get buzzed if things are going on. That's more, that's managerial sort of. Yeah, we have to have. Something. How we're gonna make it look cool. Right. With watches- - Sure. You're used to using, looking around things. Yeah. Maybe, cuz I really doubt that. Imma be like, okay now I need to look at messages and whatever. At that point, once you're looking around with your wrist, you might as well, oh, I have a phone in my pocket. [LAUGH] Right. What am I doing here? I'm gonna use this thing here. What am I doing, I have a phone! But they have NFC in this thing. Yeah. Which also- - Eh. Means they can do passbook. Right. And they show- - And do Apple Pay. They showed doing Apple Pay with your wrist. Which,. Seems a little weird. But, it'll be an awkward gesture. Hold on. Got it. Just right here. You know? It'll be weird. As you're holding your phone in your hand, you're like, which one do I use? [CROSSTALK] Like, so, so now you got, so now you got your, your iPhone 6+, you've got your Apple watch. Mm hm. Okay. What's next? Taking over your body, man. Can you handle it? Can you handle all these Apple accessories? Yeah, I need an Apple ring, an Apple wristband. [INAUDIBLE] Apple socks, those exist. They make them [CROSSTALK]. Apple socks exist? Well, they were for iPods. I don't know, dude. I don't know. For the first time, I'm like resist, trying to resist a little bit. I'd like to try out the Apple watch, but I'm not gonna have an iPhone, so it's not for me. That's, that's, it's not like there's any other thing it works with. But then the way it's, the way it hooks in. It sounded, if he did say, though, that it will work with Android, they would then never would happened, but I'm just speaking hypothetically, the, the house would have came down. Well. The place would have imploded. Cook said the first one needed, this one needs the phone. Right. But he didn't say anything about the other two. Which made it sound like the other two, that the editions and the sport could be used independently.>>I would like that to.>> May be with nothing.You don't need a phone, like yeah you can charge, you can have it with your apple id some how, or whatever the heck your using it for.>> Right>>> That seemed interesting to me because, he he said very specifically, that this one needs the phone. This one needs the phone. Why?>> I think that's all three of them. I think it's all three of them dude. I don't think so. You don't think so? No. Don't get me wrong That's how you would buy more than one over time. Like okay, you know what, when this thing, if I change my phone, I still have my watch. Yeah, but I would so love one that just ran independently. I would be very much into that. And I would definitely consider it. Then, like, how does it, does it have its own data source? How does that even work? And like. I don't know. It's just, there's a lot of questions that are still up there. I don't know, but, I mean. Am, am I crazy to, to think that it would ever be compatible with Android? No. Only because. I mean like, but, but, okay. So, so hold that thought. Done. But what I'm going to say is okay, why not? You would sell. Twice as many, if not more. Okay. So, the one thing that they have right now that makes me think that's even possible is Beats. Right. Beats, they bought Beats. They didn't kill the Android app. They even said they were keeping it. Ok. So that's gonna keep their foot in the door there. Just like how iTunes ended up on Windows at some point. Yeah. It's a necessary evil. There has to be some kind of gateway drug. Of course. It's like Office on the iPad. Yeah, it's like, if you're gonna. I'll, I'll be so generous and,and include that in my analogy. That's, that's, if you're gonna. That's a generous inclusion. If you're gonna get that halo effect, I don't think they're worried about Android to that level yet, because that, all the numbers we ever see is like. 55 percent are Android users. But a lot of that 55 percent get's the free phone and they don't know what the hell they're running. Right I get it- They got the fire phone- I get it. Or like, so they don't, or whatever the heck the wanna get. Yeah, but don't count every single a, iOS user as important power users- I would think tha, but they know what they're getting. They're actually actively getting an Apple iPhone. They know this is the thing that works- Right, right, even if it's the free one, or even if it's a hand me down But there's a lot of a, Android users that wouldn't, if you go like what's your OS? They'd be like. What,>> Yeah,>>Well you're right yeah,>> So I think that's slightly, the different then one android,cause it has to happen, the PC race all over again. One android has enough of a market share,when everyone was like, yes I know what a android is. Android ware, what that is. That's also fun to see. Then they'll bother to do this but. I, I, I don't see it happening for the next, another, like, couple of years, Yeah. Unless this phone, this watch is a disaster. Yeah, I, I, really, I, I can't even make a, an educated guess on the whole thing. Because these things have proven themselves to be so unpredictable in terms of what trends and what catches on. I mean, when was the, what was the last failure that they made, that Apple made? The Hi-fi. The last one I can remember was, like, the, the dumbest thing that came out. What, yeah. Remember the cube? [CROSSTALK] That was bad. That was bad. Remember that Ariel? Yeah, I do. That overheating cube thing, the G4? Yeah. Yeah. That was a while ago. What do you think, Ariel? You think the watch has legs? I'm still not sold on any smart watch. Yeah, me either man. Yeah, yeah, I thought Apple could be the one to bring it bring it to the mainstream but I just don't think. I know. This didn't sell me at all. Yeah, I'm, I'm way more intrigued then I am like, drinking the Kool-aid. Yeah, I mean I definitely want to play with it [CROSSTALK] Definitely want to put it on and like have it for a day and see what it's all about. I'm just not there yet, and you know what for me it's like the attraction is as simple as different watch phases. Like i think that's so cool in customizing the layout is awesome.>> I'm just lazy when it comes to charging. I just want a better way to charge.>> Yeah, that sucks to.>> But I have a kinetic watch, that's the reason why where this thing yeah I love it>> because it doesn't ever die.>> I love it, I love having an automatic watch,so freaking cool.>> I've seen Intel they did this demo a couple of years ago. Top and they had like a phone next to it. And the thing is they could charge because they were near each other. If Apple did that with their phone and watch, that would make a lot of sense. If somebody did that. You plug in your phone because you do that anyway- Sure. Just put your watch near it. Right. And it'll charge. Yeah. Why the hell is that not a thing? Yeah. Why, why, we're there, man. It's possible. We're there. Wireless charging is a thing. Yeah, so make that your charge mat, and you're done. I don't know. All right. Well, I hope everyone enjoyed our massively thorough iPhone 6 Apple Watch Apple Pay Wrap Up Day. Shoot us a voice mail, 866-404-CNET and we'll try to get to some of this tomorrow and through the rest of the week. And we'll be back tomorrow as well. You can follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and our sub Reddit, I said reddit.com/r/the404. This was good. I think we covered everything. Yeah, and if you wanna know about what didn't happen that had nothing to do with Apple, we've got that too. Right. At cnet. At cnet.com. Yeah, if you want to check out like, hey, what else is out there? Right. Like, Amazon doing something crazy today. There's definitely other tech news to be found on this. Tuesday, we will be back very soon, get in touch with the show, until then, I'm Geoff Bakalar, I'm Ira Sactar I'm Ario Nunez This has been the 404 show, high tech, low brow, we'll see you next time. [MUSIC]