The 404 Show 1,547: iPhone 6 predictions, NFL Surface-gate, Jack the Ripper DNA test (podcast)Today's the calm before the iPhone 6 storm so we're getting our predictions out early! Plus, we'll talk about identifying Jack the Ripper 126 years too late and the developing NFL Microsoft Surface-gate!
Hi IS. Hi Jeff. Hello REO. Hi there. Welcome back. Thank you. I was at a, a wedding this, this weekend. That sounds fascinating. It was sort of normal. I was at, I was at a wedding and, I was at a table with a, with a woman who. For some of the night was pre-occupied with taking selfies. Like group selfies or just her. Just her. Just here alone. So I'm not joking. Like she was making different faces. I don't, these videos have started to pop up when you see people like. Completely in their own world trying on a bunch of faces. Mm hm. And she was doing this. Okay? I swear she was doing this for, I wanna say sixteen minutes. Sixteen minutes. It's a long time. Doing a whole bunch of stuff, just trying on different faces. It was like, it was like during the speeches and stuff where everyone's sitting. Mm hm. So the attention's not really on her, it's on the people talking. But she was doing this. She was like [LAUGH] like that. Kind of like [LAUGH] like that. I, isn't that crazy? Was there like cool stuff happening behind her? No, dude, this is just like [LAUGH] hey I'm at a wedding. Tha, that's the only thing I could imagine she was putting together. It's, it was cra, it was, it was actually crazy. It was like the stuff they would present to the insane asylum to get you in. You're like look at what she was doing. What else are you gonna do for those sixteen minutes? I don't know man. You listen to the speeches You listen and taking, maybe those were her reaction to it, maybe they were her face and she's got such amazing reactions like I can't believe that this one is saying love is eternal or whatever the heck that they always say. Out of context you look like a crazy person. I think it was in context she sounds like a crazy person. I don't know man it was just weird to me, like you're just doing all that by yourself and then you like scroll through all of them and your like oh that was good, that was bad, that was good, you know it's weird, am I crazy? Right? No. I think it's an attention span thing. I don't know. And she was not yelling. She was like our age, like, you know, late 20s. She wasn't a young person. Maybe just, maybe she just discovered selfies. I don't know man. Like, oh my gosh. I got rid of my flip phone, I got a front-facing camera, and now I'm gonna do all the faces. Oh, but just like staring at her, [COUGH] during everything. Yeah. [COUGH] Excuse me and then being like, you know pointing to everyone else and be like, look at her. Look what she's doing. You know, and no one, and the whole table had a good laugh. Maybe. It was good. I mean, that's, that's you know, that's what you do at a wedding. You like laugh at other people. Alright we've got a lot to talk about today. It's Monday September 8th. Let's start the show. [MUSIC] Welcome to the 404 Show. I'm Jeff Bakalar joined by Iyaz Akhtar. Hello. How are you? Terrific. Wonderful. Ariel Nunez back, ladies and gentlemen. Hey! He just celebrated a birthday. Yes I did. Give it up for Mr. Nunez. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. So, so, so you went back to the Bay Area Mm-hm. with your twin brother. So it must Yup. be like a, bonkers birthday event. It was wild, man. Yeah? I turned 36 but you would think I was turning 23. I thought you were 15. [LAUGH] That's amazing, Dude, so you guys both celebrated your 36th birthday. Yep. That's 72. [LAUGH] What that is. That's true, if you add it up. A really old man. That's a really old man. [LAUGH] Can you form one very old man? What was it like? What did you do? I had, we had two parties planned, had a party on Friday and a party on Saturday. I hung out with my little niece, my brother's baby. Aw. Visited a bunch of friends. That's about it. Yeah. I was only there for four days. Okay. But I squeezed all I can. Let's see, Ariel disappears and then Joan Rivers dies. Aw, it's tasteless.>> Mm. [LAUGH] Tasteless. I had nothing to do with it. You sure? [LAUGH] Yeah, promise. It happened here, man. Why has it been on there four days? You're a terrible person. Thank you. Is it too soon, really? No, it's not. Is it too soon? It's not too soon. She's not exactly known for reverence or was known for reverence. No, I just really, really liked her. You watch the documentary on her?>> Yeah, I did. That's why I like her too. I was like, I though she was an old bag and this. Like, de-fashion [UNKNOWN] Dude, she has, she, life dealt her such a **** deal. Because- Because of the Tonight Show thing? Oh my god. And then, I knew all, about all that before I saw, who's called? A piece of work? Piece of work, yeah. My parents got me into her when I was a kid. It's just, I guess it's just a, like, Jewish, like. Complaining humor that she was so good at. She was very good at that. She's just very funny, I don't know, it was like, she's just so, she was comedically relevent. Which is amazing for an 81-year-old. How many people are 81 and are comedically relevant? Well, she's not anymore. So. This guy's killing me, man! Alright, so what's your idea on Joan Rivers' death? You know, I never really followed her, I mean it's sad, I wouldn't be over here cracking jokes about it. I think. That was a very subtle slam, thank you Ario. You're like, I wouldn't be a piece of trash like your co-host. It's been like two and three days, that's like, forever. That's fine, I just feel like, as long as you really, really liked her. And respected her, you can do that. I feel like if you didn't. Yeah. If I did it, it would be a jerk move. Right. Because I didn't know much about it. And, and you were in like a self-proclaimed fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You really like her. Yeah, I'm a fan. So you're allowed to talk ****. That would be the end of the **** talking for me. [LAUGH] So awesome. It's very, it's very upsetting. [CROSSTALK] [UNKNOWN] Sorry to spoil your birthday, Ariel. Happy birthday. Thank you. You and your brother. All right, let's focus, let's everyone focus here because tomorrow is a big day, we'll get to the iPhone crap a little later. Sure. And I, I say crap in the most sincere way possible. I really do mean that, but then we have a few stories the first one of which is actually a trending topic today on. on, on Twitter. What? Oh, should we ask, are we all about the. No, I think that time's gone. It's gone [LAUGH]. But he's back! All right. Well, we didn't do it with Richard once. No. We've, I feel like, collectively decided that we don't like it. All right, do you like it Ariel? I could go for it or, or, don't do it. It doesn't really matter to me. [LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] It, it's cool. It, it works. Right? We're just gonna do it for 40 minutes straight. [CROSSTALK] Back to back. Let's see, let's see if he really likes it, or not. Tomorrow's show will be nothing but that. Okay. Cool, go to Apple stuff. Yeah **** that. [LAUGH] That's a great idea. We'll come in, we'll be like, I bet you were expecting 40 minutes on the iPhone 6. Nope,we're playing this game [LAUGH]. So this is making headlines, apparently 126 years after a string of awful murders. Jack The Ripper has finally been identified, and apparently it's irrefutable DNA evidence. Yeah so the story is on mail online, they had an exclusive on this, they're saying that an author who bought a shall at a, that was found at a Ripper murder scene. He did some tests with descendents of this person. And the idea is that Jack the Ripper is identified as Polish-born Aaron Kozminski. And ,uh, he was a suspect when the murders happened. And he lived in White Chapel until he was put into an asylum. So he would be, he was incarcerated, anyway.>> Yeah, so eventually he was put into the nut house. And so this, this story's interesting cuz this guy's writing, he's selling a book, the guy who figured this out. And he's saying that he bought this, this shawl, which seemed way too expensive for the person who was killed near it, so what he did was, he figured that Jack the Ripper himself actually left it as a clue. To himself for 125 years later. That's what, not to be found for 126 years later. No but to you like know. It's kinda like mock. There you go, find me. Right but back then what were they gonna do? Nothing. They were gonna be like. Get a dog on the scent? They were like look at this shawl. This is really nice. Why would this peasant have that? And I say peasant because she's relatively poor. I'm not saying that. So I am on video games. I know, I understand what you're saying. Okay good. You weirdo, but that no, but, but you see, but, he's, he's convinced that leaving the shall was a, was a clue Yeah. Was a deliberate thing that this guy did, [UNKNOWN] That's what it [UNKNOWN] it's not even jack. Well yeah, I mean, it was named, he was named by the press. I, I know, I know. But it wouldn't have been, like, this amazingly cosmic coincidence. Well if, if it was like Aaron the Ripper. Right, on the actual, on. Yeah, it doesn't flow. It doesn't flow. If it was on his, on the shall he left. He signed it here, Aaron the Ripper. I mean, maybe they would have called him Aaron the Ripper. But [CROSSTALK], You see this like, this engraving, Mm-hm. Of the, of the crime scene that they used to, that they had. No wonder they couldn't figure out who did it. What kind of police work was going on 125 years ago? Well this engraving. One dude's casting like a spell over the corpse. [LAUGH] While the other guy lights the whole situation. [LAUGH] I'm enjoying the, the postures of the cop holding the flashlight or lantern. Cuz he just seems very like. He's almost on his tiptoes. Get the light a little higher Harry. Are you saying?>>Exactly!, Well, you know.>>So I can see how the posture was of the killer who's kind of, surfing on the street?>>It's, it's very strange pose.>>It's beautiful.>>A very strange pose to choose for the engraving, I'll give him that. He's like watch, I'm going to just wave my hands in front of her to make sure she's not really dead. This is how we will learn things, forget, I mean, this is, there's no DNA evidence back then. There's no...>>Course not. There's, there's none of that stuff. So, this is probably the best, like, maybe if we wave our hand she'll talk [INAUDIBLE] .>> [LAUGH]. Like a Ouija board. We will intercept her spirit [LAUGH] before she ascends to the heavens. Go towards the light. That's why you hold the light up there. [LAUGH] That's what he's doing. That's what's happening then. Go towards the light. Oh, that's a caption, engraving right there. I like it. Okay. So there you have it. And it's, and it's like con, it's, it's, it's Thorough and, and, and proved and everyone's into it? Well. It all presupposes that this shawl was left by the Ripper. Oh. So if that's not true then [CROSSTALK] I guess it doesn't matter though when it's all said and done. He's kinda dead. Cause everyone's dead. Involved in this everyone's dead. Very, very highly unlikely he's running around. In fact, any one who was ever alive during that is dead. it could be like that. You wanna get, I'll get dark. Well, It could be like this idea that maybe somebody is pre exposed to murder, jus find out, Oh that was my uncle. Oh man. ****! That'll be crazy. I didn't know I did that. I'm gonna have to this later on. Wow. So, if you know anybody named. We have a Kaminsky in the in the office. oh. But no relation I'm sure. Well, maybe his name got corrupted. [LAUGH] That's why. So they just made a slight deviation in it. Slight. Tiny one, yeah. Before your time, we talked a lot about a restaurant called Olive Garden. I remember Olive Garden talks. Right. Because I freakin' hate Olive Garden. Right. And Olive Garden is back in the news because they are doing the most insulting promotion to people I've ever heard of that's right the promotion involves paying a hundred dollars which will net you seven weeks of unlimited pasta. The gimmick is they're only gonna sell 1,000 of these pasta passes as it were. And because they're gonna have some other promotions happening later on. The never ending pasta bowl promo. But this, I don't know why you would take advantage of this. 100 bucks, other than. Cuz you, cuz you hate your life. I mean that's the only way. Like what other reason. The hundred dollars for seven weeks a pop, I mean, it's a deal. But, you could probably pay that in like a grocery store. How much is a box of pasta? Like a buck. Like a dollar. And, that'll feed like, 30 people. And, this was a cop out. You do get to walk in. Somebody does serve you. And they even say directly, this is the VP of marketing, what we're trying to do is get some attention. [LAUGH] It's actually the quote. Been a rough couple years for the Olive Garden. Like it's direct, this is direct, it's getting attention. Pasta pass. I wonder if this is successful. Will they actually do that? Like you know what we're gonna sell this full time. It's so popular. We're gonna sell We're bringing it global. 49 straight days of pasta. [LAUGH] Just sit there, don't even leave, we'll give you a nice chair. Each pasta pass comes with a free cardiologist appointment. That's a bummer. It's gonna start September 22nd through November 9th. Oh no, that's when the never ending possible promotion starts. Which is $10 for as much pasta as you want. Reading more quotes, we're trying to make our fans feel like VIPs. And one reason up to seven guests who eat will get, if you eat with a passholder, you get free Coca Cola drinks, too. [LAUGH] So like, this is, you're going to feel real fancy walking with your pass, you know, they give you like a. Like a nice cake and a crown. They sit down.>> They sit you right near the bathroom.>> Right there and they're like hey, hey you're friends, you're friends of the pasta passholder [INAUDIBLE] for you, right this way, allow us to roll out the red carpet. What's that? No paper table cloth for you. You're getting the good stuff. And they bring out cloth tablecloths, its nice, that's how you know its fancy. They're even allowing leftovers, if you wanted to take it home you could. So I feel like Olive Garden had this, their branding, their sort of thing was like, oh we're real Italian, right? No, they, ever tried to pitch that? . Yeah, no, I feel. Yeah they had ads like that. Like they're like it's a family, yeah dude they were all like look all of our meals are Italian. That would explain the hatred. Cuz it says real Italian, it doesn't say- Of course. Alright, of course, Breadsticks. And i'm, my point is that this does not play into that mentality. Like there's, right? A Pasta Path? It's like insulting to Italians everywhere. Is it? They're calling it a Pasta Path. [LAUGH]. Right? I don't know if it's insulting or just dumb, but it's gonna, it's gonna be interesting. The guy. Somebody asked him again like do you want somebody showing up for 49 straight days eating at lunch and dinner doing this. I was like I would love to see that was his reaction is especially if they bring people is what he says.>> Alright lets move along to the most popular sport in the world much to my jargon. Football. Obviously American football started yesterday and Microsoft is in a deal with the NFL. They paid the NFL x amount of millions of dollars $400 million dollars Shut up, really? True story. Wow, $400 million to basically make their. Behind-the-scenes, practice, coaching efforts, that much more complicated. [LAUGH] How, wha, so what's the deal? They $400 million to use the Surface- Yeah- To use, to use that tablet. That means you're supposed to see the Surface Pro on, all kinds of broadcasts. If you were watching the games yesterday and you saw the announcers talking before the game. They all had Microsoft Surfaces both on CBS and on,on Fox their actually laser etched, says Microsoft Surface it's not usual that's it's laser etched that way. NFL logo, everything is bright blue and so Microsoft paid a ton of money so people are going to see this actual tablet available everywhere. The problem is that during the game, during the New Orleans Atlanta game yesterday when the announcers were showing off footage of Drew Breeze looking at a surface Right, so it's this integration not just on the field, it's got to be reciprocated by the broadcasters as well, right? Yeah. So, they have, they have Drew Breeze on the field. He's got his surface. He's looking at footage. And the announcers just say, oh they've got their iPad like tools on the field. That's what he's reviewing this, the data from. [LAUGH] Oh, man. They don't even call it the Microsoft Surface during the clip. Wow. So, so okay so, that's colossally awful on, on so many levels. Microsoft pays 400 million dollars, and the announcers call the surface an iPad like device, the very product that they're absolutely going head to head with, that is just totally, I mean it's catastrophic. I think if you're paying that much money, and then nobody told the announcers, hey. Call it a surface. You know when the pregame, when you see in those guys with the blue, everything is this blue color too. They actually like branded it with this color. Right. Which is smart, that separates it from anything else. Right. So you see it from desk to [INAUDIBLE]. You see the word surface on it. You think that maybe the announcers were watching the pregame. Maybe the copy got lost somewhere, and they were just like, Oh, what the hell is that? It looks like an iPad. It is iPad like, it's true, but not calling the Surface Pro. That's a huge loss for Microsoft, but I'm sure by next week we're gonna hear Surface like a thousand time during the game Well right, so the way these deals work there's clearly a shocking amount of under fairness of the whole thing. But there's also make good, right? So whoever sold this ad, whoever commissioned this whole deal for Apple for Microsoft. We'll obviously go to the NFL, point to this very moment and be like, okay, in our contract. Which I'm sure makes space for things like this, they will be owed some sort of quote, unquote [UNKNOWN] good for the whole thing. I'm just sure that everyone's gonna have Micro, like, even guys who call the games, they're gonna have surfaces out. The referrees'll be all carrying them in their back pocket. It'll just say, in the back of their jersey, instead of names, in call to the surface. All kidding aside, though, I'm actually pretty surprised the NFL agreed to do this not for the integration of the announcers but to make it part of like play, you know, the play book. Like, I feel like each team should be afforded the option of deciding what they want to use. I don't know, maybe if I'm like Drew [UNKNOWN] I'm like I don't wanna use a surface dude, I like looking at my play books on a, on a Samsung tab.>> That doesn't mean they're actually using during a game. There's no way he's participating in a foe thing right there, like they're looking, like, the game is going on, they're not like okay Drew, five minutes you're going to be in a commercial right now. During, during one of the games, my girlfriend starts laughing because they're showing the offensive coordinator. He's like in a booth, right? Yeah And he sees surfaces on the table like everywhere. They're not using them. She starts laughing. I'm like what are you laughing at. She goes there's, if you look at the coordinator there's a file folder, manilla folder that's actually popping up that's over the screen Yeah And he's using that You know, paper's still huge in sports. Yeah, so the surface is really good. As a easel for paper. Which is like even more maddening. It's like did anybody check the shots? Microsoft must be losing their freaking minds. $400 million. Now that's not a lot to Microsoft. No it is. But. It is a lot of money. That's $400 million. It's a gigantic sponsorship. Come on. Think about how much money a Super Bowl ad costs. Nowhere near this. This is for like all season. I guess. We're gonna see this Still it's a massive thing. It's crazy. It'll be fun to watch the evolution of this campaign though, right? Just see how bad it gets. Sure it'll get better over time. Especially tomorrow when if, if there's a new iPad. Yeah, for sure. And then tonight, Monday Night Football. Let's see here what happens to the. You know, maybe it'll happen, they'll correct it as soon as tonight? Well, I mean this was Fox that messed up. So we don't know how ESPN will do. So it's regardless of the channel? Yes, it's, it's an NFL deal, so it should be on every freaking network. Alright, well tomorrow is the day the iPhone 6, and I just heard someone say 6+. Is the rumor's name? That's the rumored name. I've heard 6 air. 6 air? I wouldn't like saying that. six plus, I feel like plus hasn't been used in the last ten years. We've heard it before. I wanna say Samsung did the plus. Sure. Some sort of plus. That could b the new thing. So, it's pretty much confirmed, right? And we're getting two phones. One big, one a little smaller. Uh-hm. Same guts, right? Yeah, so tomorrow's the Apple event. It's at like one o'clock eastern time. We've got the 4.7 inch iPhone, that's the rumor. There's a 5.5, that's a rumor. The difference between the two, the latest thing is saying the 5.5 will have more iPad style when it comes to going to landscape. So it'll actually have a left pane and a right pane when you're working on it. Oh, That's kinda neat. That's very new and there was a lot of leaks even, I think, it was over the weekend, showing what appeared to be a working iPhone 6 in a Chinese video. And if this is fake. Its like the best fake ever. Because this guy takes this phone. This is a clip from the video. And He takes like pictures with it. He is constantly going through the interface. This, this video, just very impressive when it comes to if they got it early. An impressive video. If this is a fake it looks really good. Its not a fake. How could that be a fake. Yeah, John Falcon here, one of the editors was like there's 15 million of these things just waiting. Yeah. Probably, probably real, because the chance of this getting leaked, got leaked. But it looks a lot like everything we've seen. I mean the leaks look like it's, it's true, the power button. It's thin, it's real thin man. Looks a lot more like the iPad than it did the iPhone. Sure. Style is different. Apparently it's. Yeah it's real nice and rounded. Really freaking fast. Fast? Yes, supposed to make the 5S look like a chump. A chump? A chump. I don't know that was the translation. No one uses that word in tech anymore. I'm [LAUGH] I've brought it back. You're bringing chump back. Poorly. All right, that's pretty neat. Now how big do you think that screen was? That was probably the bigger one. That was the 4.7 one. Oh, so that was the smaller one. That's the small one. Damn. Cuz they had it up against the actual 5S. And it seemed like it was the 4.7. So the five five, that one I don't think we've seen yet. Right. I think we've seen like batteries for it [INAUDIBLE] It's gonna be five five? That's the rumor, yeah. That's, pretty ginormous. That's like, G3. Five five is supposed to also have like that Samsung one handed mode. Oh right. Like it will shrink stuff down so you can actually use with just your thumb. Sure. I thought it was a great idea when Samsung introduced that. You can't use the freaking phone when it's like six inches Of course. [UNKNOWN]. Yeah, wow. So what else? It's always a big sort of deal whenever they have these things. For me, you know I kind of look at, what they're gonna do to separate themselves from the pack, because you only get a new iPhone once a year, whereas you get other phones kind of more frequent, and to, to me they have to move the needle, right they have to make something that, that separates themselves from the rest of the pack, and I don't really. Know if the screen size thing is like the killer app. Yeah I mean there's talk about the watch. They're gonna have a watch probably right. Yeah that was the rumor that the watch will come out, at leat it'll be announced tomorrow, not to come out 'til 2015. Right. Which would be really gutsy because the last time Apple. [UNKNOWN] Apple bothered to do something, like hey let's introduce something, and then let's have like everybody be able to see what we're doing, with the original iPhone. But like here's the iPhone in January, doesn't come out til June which was crazy cause then a lot of people copy that, I could see apple just having the guts to go you know what we're so far ahead of you guys. Even though you guys all ready have your phone. Samsung, I mean your watches, Samsung's got it, LG's got it, Motorola's got it. I mean some of these companies are on the third iteration of their watches. Yeah, LG's like on I think third and Samsung's on their like, their seventh of the year or something crazy. Yeah, yeah. So whatever they're going to have. The rumor is that they already have an app store for it, the rumor is that they have partnered with major companies like Facebook and Twitter, so when you have this device, it'll have apps right away. [UNKNOWN] so I don't if that's with pairing your phone to your watch or for payment, that's another big thing [UNKNOWN] in these devices That might be cool. It's been in everything else before. I know, but I'm saying it might be cool, where like [LAUGH] instead of swiping your phone, you're swiping your wrist to pay for something. It's tapping your wrist. Yeah. Tap it. I don't know man, I don't know, we'll have to see what happens, but I think they have had so much time. That you got, I mean, they're only setting themselves up for disappointment. You think so? Yes, because this watch as been a rumor for three years. Yeah, but so was the phone. The phone was rumored for 5 years, remember that? The Iphone before it came out. That was a five year rumor? It was a long rumor. Okay, and did it deliver? Yeah. It seriously delivered. They were way ahead of everybody. It changed the freaking planet. So the, do you think their watch can do it? I don't know. I really don't know. All I know is that I'm not gonna get it cause I'm [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGH] You're not gonna get an iPhone 6? No. Or a 6+? No. Or a watch? I'm not gonna get any of that. You're not gonna get it. But I am curious, because I think this is their biggest press conference in a very long time. Do you think, anytime they change the screen size, that was the last [UNKNOWN] The form factor, the second the form factor changes Yeah, the hype on that is bigger, the, the, from the board of the four S like, okay, that's pretty nice Right. Or was there a new design anyway, compared to the three. Then you got the, the five it's like oh, it's got a slightly bigger screen, and so everyone is slightly happy about that. Five S, nobody cares, even thought it's a good product. But, the six, I'm really curious about. Because if it's, if it's a good refinement of what the old ones were like, it'd be all right. But the new forum fact of this... who knows how this is going to work out, because it's got a new resolution, or it's got like, will apps have problems, scaling up? Yeah, that's always like a weird sort of, transitional period, whenever something new like that comes out. All right, we'll wait to see what happens tomorrow... We're gonna shoot the show, I imagine, way later, because the Apple thing starts at 1 o'clock. Yeah, we probably wanna. Which means. Wait for it. We're, yeah, right? We're just, you're, like, guessing again. [LAUGH] the, that starts at 1 o'clock, and then it probably will go two, three, four hours. But yeah, I think four at a minimum. Four! Ken Burns is directing, it's gonna be about three days. Oh, gosh! Mm. So, A big event. By the 90th minute, people are falling asleep in their chairs. It, it's chaos. It's gonna start off with, like, okay, let's show you some charts we made in keno. And that looks like wooden grain of this bar, and it's [CROSSTALK] like, oh, look at the accounts we have! How do they make up stats when they do. They make up sources, Well, You know what they'll do? They say they'll be like. Its the most preferred phone for people with fingers, and they'll say stuff like that where you're like, what? Its so, hey that's me! Wait a second, you know its very they have very strange graphs, that seemingly, that cover like, what seems like, completely subjective stuff. It's definitely, like the, yeah, your It'll be like preferred most, by, people, you know, and you're like, how do you, how do you measure that? We do that all the time. We just surveyed 90 people at random who work at Apple. RIght, exactly. That happen to have iPhone 6s already. What did you think? Fan-tas-great. [LAUGH] Very. They even invented a word for it. anyway. Tomorrow, check it out. I think it starts at 1 o'clock, pm, Eastern Time. Go to CNET.com for our live coverage, and the guys out west are gonna be doing a live thing as they normally do. All right, let's get the calls from the [UNKNOWN] before we have to say goodbye. Let's do it. I'm just gonna play this and then, I wanna hear what you have to say about this if you have an opinion on it. I know about it. Hi, guys. Just wanted to mention something. I wasn't sure if you'd heard about Baby Metal. I'm sure you've heard of them. They are pretty little, awesome little group from Japan. Kinda taking metal in a new direction. I'm not sure if it's supposed to go in that direction, but it. It sounds kinda interesting. So, let me hear your thoughts on it guys. Thanks. Okay. Do you know what he's talking about? I just saw a link to it on Facebook right before we did the show. So I didn't get to play the video. Okay. I wanna know more about baby mallow. Cuz apparently it's not bad. Okay. It i, it is bad. I mean. Okay. You wanna clarify that? I'm gonna clarify it. The music isn't bad but, it's just. It's not. Okay. I mean. Let me take a step back. Anything that gets people to a metal show, I'm, I'm into. Okay. The music is really interesting. But what it is. Is a trio Japanese group, and it's three girls- The thing about them. They can't yeah. Maybe they're I don't know fifteen. I can't see them being older than sixteen. They're very young. They front what is basically, a metal band. And they sell out arenas in Japan. They kill it, they kill it over there. There's a video if you're looking for it and I'll post it in the show no say. And I'll play a bit of their music in a second. So Give Me Chocolates? Yeah, that Give Me Chocolates you know, you, you we can watch that too. You know what, I'll just play the music along with this. And we can watch this for a second. Check this out. [MUSIC] It's pretty, it's psychotic stuff. The riffs sound good. I mean the music isn't bad. And it brings back guitar to [INAUDIBLE] Guitar's never left music man. Have you looked at this? There's like no freaking guitar. You hear the music, the music's pretty badass. Okay. I want you to keep listening though, and when the girl starts singing [MUSIC] This is what it is. It sound like an entry, like any anime I used to watch. Like, it sounds completely like super high pitched, with that awesome guitar behind it. It's sort of like an anime thing. Yeah. Not, you know, it, stylistically, not obviously but the music, seems to. But I wanna get Ariel's take on it. Oh. What'd you think? You make music Ariel. Ariel. Would you make this music? Or do you like this music? Is this not the weirdest thing you've ever heard? It's pretty weird. Weird, yeah. It's pretty weird. I'm not like, super, like deep into metal. Yeah. So. I don't, I can't, I mean I can tell they're destroying the genre of metal, but. [LAUGH] Wait a second, you're telling me that James Hetfield does note move around like this on stage? Yeah. I mean, if you look in the video you're seeing this. It's amazing. Dude, so that, it's, it's crazy ,okay? And there's a few shots during this Gimme Chocolate video where they pan out to the crowd. And it looks like there's 100,000 people watching them, okay? This, these, these girls destroy it. Now, I talked about how they're the face of this band. You know, they're, I, I don't think they're writing the music, okay? I don't, maybe they're coming up with the lyrics, but they're not, probably not writing the music. It's, it's, it's chaos. They are a pop in and. They are a pop in but there is a metal band behind them. And the guys who are in the band and I don't know who they are cuz they're always wearing these like, full skeleton body costumes cuz I guess I'd hide my identity as well. [CROSSTALK] I guess they could be replaced at any time. But they're ripped man, they ripped they totally rip. Like, they are. They're great. They sound great. But it's this phenomenon and, it's funny our listener brings it up. I don't think they're changing metal. I think if anything they're making it more accessible. Because there are catchy lyrics and there's catchy choruses in these songs and they make it more accessible. It's fine. I mean, I don't. It's okay. It's opposite. Look, I want people to like band music right? And I'm not trying to like, this is it then so be it, but it's, certainly expanding people's horizons and it's entering interesting to see where like maybe this is Justin Bieber in Japan. And like if we had to chose between Baby Metal and Justin Bieber I'm chosing Baby Metal. Mm-hm. I mean, and we're not, we're not making fun of them, they're called Baby Metal. No yeah, that's what they're, that's the band's name is Baby Metal- This is the polar opposite of Death Rock, you know that like roar noise, right? [CROSSTALK] Yeah, it's not gloomy, this is like. It seems super positive Now we have a spectrum. We have baby metal and death metal. Somewhere in the middle is what I like. Right, yeah, it's wacky and they just announced that they're playing their first show in New York City in November. They're gonna kill it. They are at the Hammerstein ballroom. They are going that will get sold out in 45 seconds and it's gonna be. We're going. I kind of- We gotta go. All three of us gotta go. Dude, I kinda want to go. And we have to record our reactions to this. Aw, man, I don't know how much I could, how long I could last. Hey, wait a minute, I didn't say we- We should just bring ear plugs. I didn't say we had to be there the whole time. Yeah. Dude we gotta go. [LAUGH] Yeah. And we can just, like, listen to it from the concession stand. We could just hang out at the exit. But yeah, that, speed metal is destroying it. I heard about them like eight months ago, I want to say, is when they first crossed my screen. I heard about it. Dude you kidding? These guys have been killing for years in Japan, or way longer. You sound like a hipster totally. They were killing in Japan for years, you know. They're Japanese man. It's not like they're big in Japan where you would say like your band sucks here but you're bigger, you're big in Japan. It's not like that. Don't look at me like that. All right. [LAUGH] So- Like okay buddy. Thanks for the call dude. I'm glad we finally got to discuss [UNKNOWN] on the 404. I mean, it's been too long. Let's be honest. Next call, and this is where we'll end it for today. [INAUDIBLE] sorry about that. What they are [UNKNOWN] from California. I recently read an article and I had to write a paper about is Google making us stupid? Like, people would. Search a line, and they get this instant gratification, especially now with Google now, and stuff, you picked up. You got ask Google a question, it gives you the answer. Where as I'm sure back in your days, you guys are a lot older than me, not a lot but older than me. But you know, when you wanted to find something out you'd go to the library, what are your thoughts on that? Enjoy the show, and keep up the awesome work. [LAUGH] I didn't go to the li, did you go to the library? I had to, yeah. I guess with like encyclopedias and stuff. But i, but you know, it's funny. If you owned like, you know, a World Book encyclopedia set, you kinda had the library. Right? The Britannica. Yeah. The Britannica. Yeah. Like the volume. It was so funny. That's, I remember that. I remember being like, whoa, I have encyclopedias in my bookshelf. Therefore I own the world's knowledge. You ever need to go anywhere for information. Like I"m just gonna go to the shelf. That was like the late 80's though. Even in, I mean, Encarta, came out in what like 92, 93. C.D. So, ya know, by then I was ten, ya know, and even though the Encarta was like. A closed off internet, right? It was like it's own sort of intranet. And to explain it to people now, think of it as an app Right But on a disk. Never updated. It was Wikipedia. It was offline Wikipedia. I don't think, to answer his question I don't think Google's making anybody stupid. It just means you choose different information to keep in your head. Well, OK, so the reason I brought that up. Was another school analogy was like the calculator, right Um-hm cuz I and it's the same, it's the same analogy. When you, when we started using calculators in school, I had the, the talk from lie my grandfather who was like your, you're just gonna make you stupid. And I'm like, why? If I have a calculator at all times,. I don't need to know long division and complicated multiplication. Was gonna say, you gonna carry a calculator with you everywhere you go? That's what you're gonna do? It's so funny. And then like ten years later, not only is any calculation I ever wanted to calculate in my pocket, but so is all of human understanding and knowledge. In my pocket. You gotta know how to search for stuff. So you're learning different techniques. Like, to find out, like, local information on Google is a real pain. You gotta know, like, you gotta be a search ninja to do that. So you're no, no longer remembering ha, like, where stuff is, it's just how do you find it? Right. And your efficiency is what dictates. How, how, how intelligent you are. Yeah, you re-define the new stupid, right? The new stupid is the guy who takes too long to find something on Google. [CROSSTALK] You like, It's the guy who asks Google questions? Like, if there's a question mark in any of your search queries, you, you're doing it the wrong way. Unless you're looking for that actual question. Unless you're being [CROSSTALK] ironic. Like, I'm looking for this question, yes. But yeah, that's just the new dumb. New class of stupidity. That's interesting. I don't know. I, I, I used to think he was making us dumb. But then again it was, you know, it's all about what you choose to memorize. GPS makes people dumb. Really dumb. Well, because it sort of puts you in this catatonic, autopilot state. You listen to the voice, and if the voice says, turn left here, and you're like, the sign says to go up there and make a right. The sign is, the voice said left. We're going left. And my eyes are telling me a train's coming! It said left! And it's that kind of stupidity. You, you think Google's making us stupid, Ariel? Like Google search? No. Yeah. I don't think so at all. I, I was gonna say the exact thing about the calculator. Right. Like, I was told that too, like. Yeah. You're not gonna have a calculator forever. But we do. Right, like, who was tha, who was saying that? Who was like, these calculator things are a fad. Yeah, totally. [LAUGH] They're gonna, they're gonna get played out. Yeah, I know they have that advantage with solar panels on those. Now, that's crazy. The sun's not gonna be around for ever either, you know. As far as I'm concerned the calculator is the best solar item still to this day. III That's going to be hard to argue with. I mean what's a nother one. I'm kidding. Vans and cars. I'm joking. I cannot find freaken tickets to baby metal. I'm trying cause. Cause it's sold out. But it's saying that we're unable to process your request. Cause it's sold out. So thanks ticket master. No I, actually I think they go on sale friday. Maybe that's why. On sale time. I'm telling you, dude, that shows gonna sell out in 45 minutes. It started on the 5th. Of September? Yeah, so it should be ready. Then it's probably sold out. Oh well, there goes our baby metal train. Unless you have tickets, and you go. I secretly bought 15. [LAUGH] He bought the whole thing out.>>That's awesome, man. I hope, I hope, it's gonna be early too because they probably go to bed at 6 o'clock. [LAUGH] All right, that's it for us guys. Tomorrows the big iPhone 6 day so make sure your tuning into cnet.com all day to follow that. That'll do it for us. 866-404-CNET is the phone number you can reach us on our sub-Reddit, reddit.com/r/the404. Follow us on Facebook, Instagram. And Twitter. Thank you for doing that. We're back here tomorrow, with a brand new podcast and show. Until then I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Iyaz Akhtar. I'm Ariel Nunez. This has been the 404 Show. High tech, low brow. Have an awesome Monday. We'll see you tomorrow. [MUSIC]