The 404 1,503: Where it's safe to make polio jokes
It's Wednesday June 11, 2014, I'm Mario Nunez.
And from our CBS studio in New York City, welcome to The 404.
Hey, what's up everyone, its The 404 show / podcast on cnet.
Whats up everyone, I'm Justin Yu.
And I'm Bridget Carey.
Once again, thanks to you guys for helping us out while Jess is away at E3.
I think it's gonna be gone for the rest of the week, so it's just us.
Just us talking about stuff.
The random stuff we normally do.
Thanks also to Justin, the intern.
Not that that's your title or anything, but I'm gonna call you that.
Thanks for helping us out, too, by sitting in and checking us out.
There he is.
Aside from you walking in to grab some chips for Ariel last week I think this is your second appearance.
Although on the 1,500th, were you actually in the episode?
Were you on camera?
No, I wasn't on camera but, you know, I was just here, you know, putting my input.
You know, saying things.
He's, he's kicking it.
He's back here kicking it with me.
The cool guys over here.
[LAUGH] In society.
Maybe, over the next.
Two days, if you're not busy, you can come and hang out with us.
I know a lot of people wanna hear more about who this random voice is in the background.
So, we'll [CROSSTALK]
Get you on stage.
First of all, I wanted you to explain to everybody what happened this morning.
Cuz, when you came into the studio.
You were flustered.
You were like, I think what, you were like all tweet decks have been hacked.
It was such a strange statement.
You know, kick the door open.
Yeah, I, I, I always come in with breaking news.
Breaking news: All tweeters, tweet decks are hacked.
I don't even know what you're saying right now.
That doesn't sound like English.
Explain to us what happen this morning.
Well, Tweetdeck was shutdown because there's some hack, some vulnerability in the code.
Where hackers can put this string of random code into it, tweet.
And these people were retweeting it.
And, it just some strange XSS code with a little heart emoticon at the end.
But it's, and it's coming from accounts that have My Little Pony icons.
You know, I, I don't know how serious it is, but it's enough to make you go yep, another thing that got hacked.
Yep, yep, yep, just another hack.
Is good to sign out of Twittdeck if anyone does use it.
I use it.
There might be people out there that don't know what Twittdeck is.
It's on by Twitter.
It's an easier way to kind of manage all your Twitter feeds for when.
Right now the main Twitter website is just too much.
You know, if you follow up a lot of people it can just be.
Be kinda hectic and you don't, you miss a lot of things.
I use TweetTech.
They have columns of different themes of people.
So I'll group, you know, CNET people into one column or people who do other news-related tweets and just separate that way.
So I can get a quick glance.
And there's a web portal where you can have a desktop client, but Yeah, it's apparently hacked.
Just be careful.
another hacked, it's like, change your bathrooms again folks.
You know, I, I, I didn't get to retweet at least maybe, maybe while I'm sitting here I did.
I don't know.
I don't think I've been hit.
I've signed out and then again.
I don't know if I'm going to fix it.
It's just, it's getting annoying all these hacks.
I mean, I feel like as soon as I change my password for one thing, gotta change it again.
Like, are we kinda just giving up?
Are we just kinda going whatever to these things?
And you also mentioned that you don't even have to really do anything.
It just happens to you.
So, it's not like it's your fault like you had a crappy password or something.
Or you put your stupid [INAUDIBLE] in.
Yeah, yeah, it just happens and there's nothing you can do about it.
But, it doesn't really sound like even if you were.
It's not that big of a deal.
You can still do a tweet.
Well, well it's still being investigated.
I mean, as I walked in here, people were like, what, what, we are looking into it.
It's being repaired.
Like, it's always a couple of hours later, or a day later that you find out that, oh, they just happened to get every account afterward.
They are like, don't worry about it, we'll just rechange it.
It's getting to the point it's getting just, just terrible.
You really can't trust any service, no matter how big it is.
Well, I'm sure as the day progresses we'll see more breaking news about that so, keep following up.
Maybe it'll have a bit about it on CNET updates?
Yeah, I, I think I might have to squeeze it in the show, depending on like how.
Serious it was.
If it was just something that, something that, for a good laugh or.
Or if it actually did, you know, take passwords from people.
We'll follow Bridget on Twitter @BridgetCarey and see an update for more news about that.
I also wanted to read off some breaking news in an email.
So, Justin and I sit in the studio and work together.
And, I got this email this morning from a PR person that I thought was really strange and I was wondering if you got it as well.
But I wanted to read it off to people cause this is, by far, the strangest pitch from a PR person I've ever received.
I get a lot of strange pitches, all right, so.
Let me read this to you.
It says, Next week one of my clients is gonna be launching a KickStarter campaign to validate the concept of quote, remote-controlled humans.
This new mobile platform will enable a person to take control of another person anywhere in the world where there is 4G cellular service.
And those under control will be paid for their time.
And then he goes if you want to see the press release under the embargo which let's certain time, let me know.
And I just broken that embargo.
But I don't care cuz that service was insane.
That, that email is not embargo.
Quote sounds more exciting than quote, it really is.
That's a damn good pitch though, right?
I mean, if, if it was just trying to get me to agree to the embargo, to read the press release, it's got me hooked.
I've already responded to him, and I want it.
I never respond to PR people.
What if it's something just like being able to.
To, give an assignment to you, to can you do a task for me.
For, and then controlling you.
Oh, you think they're like spinning some other service, not like [INAUDIBLE].
I think it's a spin, I don't think, I don't think they hacked, you know, oh my God, I've control of my arms.
What is going on!
I mean, this is the future.
One day, we're actually.
So, you're actually going to get service that does this.
Isn't it robotics or something?
I mean, we're laughing about it, but we're giving a lot of permissions to tech as we're moving very fast.
I mean, you look at remote control, or you look at cars, connective cars.
Now cars are coming with wireless 4G service.
A car can hacked if it has any access to the internet.
Where there's a will there's a way.
You know, and, and, all the systems in your car, they're, you know, they're connected.
Your, your engine somehow it's talking to your entertainment system.
Somehow it's talking to the internet and you can download apps now.
Used to open up more ways, so we, we we joke about the, the remote controlled human but, what if someone took control of your car?
You know, these are things you gotta start thinking about.
I know I'm all being all news reporters scary, here, because that's what I do best.
But it's something that, you know, is on my mind.
You know, you're talking about like, like being able to hack a wristwatch, okay.
But you know, we've heard about hacking pacemakers.
I mean, these
Yes, anything that has an internet connection can be hacked, essentially.
I mean, it's not exactly easy all the time but there have been conferences at hacker conf, there have been talks at hacker conferences about hacking a pacemaker.
If they didn't have it in their head as the idea before, they definitely have it now.
Yeah, no, no.
It's, it's been out there.
But I mean, you can hack a toilet.
Have you heard about that one?
Yeah, there's internet connected toilets.
What can you do to half a toilet that isn't scary enough already.
I don't know like spray the bidet up you and freak you out.
Well that doesn't sound so bad.
Some people pay extra money for that.
Hacking a toilet.
Oh, because there's internet connected toilets now.
Yeah, it's Japan.
This is news to me too.
They got the crazy stuff over there.
We don't get any of that good internet toilet.
[LAUGH] That sounds freaking terrifying.
Well, ok so, let's talk about the first story of the day and after this it's going to all be Apple news [LAUGH].
So, just a little warning to you, not all good news either, so.
If you're against Apple.
You might want to turn in.
But the first story is about Amazon.
And, you actually sort of put me onto this this morning.
And this is kind of a rumor, in, in the rumor stages.
Not confirmed just yet, but Reuters is reporting that Amazon, by the end of the year.
Will start letting you schedule a visit from a birthday clown or a visit to a massage therapist.
Hopefully not in the same office.
Hopefully not the same person.
Not the same person.
[LAUGH] Using their online services.
So, the story here is that you know, in a similar approach to.
Amazon Fresh, for example.
Their grocery delivery service.
Soon you'll be able to hire local businesses, similar to Yelp or Angie's List to find dentists and all the kinds of appointments you would make during the day but using an Amazon Marketplace.
Yeah, so it's not just goods, it's now services.
Yeah, I'm, I'm going to be talking about this on CNET Update today.
it, it's kind of funny.
They seem to have been testing it out.
In small batches.
For example, what the Roiter story says is that if you bought a nest smart thermostat, you might have gotten an alert that says, Hey, let Amazon help you find a service handyman to help you.
So, they're kinda going, hm, buy the good and we'll also sell you the Surface to help, that it goes with it perhaps.
Suddenly, you like buy a lot of party goods.
Maybe you want to buy that birthday clown, or you know, or, and, but it'll also be other things like.
Haircuts, you know?
This is Amazon kind of taking on Yelp, and, and, maybe, like you said, Angie's List.
You know, it's genius, but yeah, they gotta start small because that's, that's a lot of data to have all these.
You know, all this information for different cities.
I'm sure people will start with like one city to begin with like with fresh it's just in some areas.
It's not a bad idea cause I feel like there's a lot of satellite services that'll let you write and read reviews for really specific things like doctors on ZocDoc for example, Angie's list and plumbers or handy men, or women.
But there's no one service, aside from Yelp, that let's you find it all in one place, and it's about time there's some competition.
Because I know a lot of business owners don't like how Yelp, let's you like reviews for things, so.
I can see this coming in handy in the future, but I can also see the dystopian future where we're all going to have to sign our lives away, basically sign our lives away to one service.
Either like Amazon or Ebay or Google
Well you sign your life away to Facebook at this point
Yea, like Facebook and they're connected to different companies.
It's just, it's starting to get.
Like, all of the companies are under one huge umbrella.
I think it can also go wrong.
You know how it's awkward sometimes when Amazon gives you recommended products based on what you buy
What if, like, you start buying these self-help books and it's, like, We recommend you see a psychiatrist.
Here's some good ones in your area.
I, like, Oh, oh, God.
Oh, [LAUGH] You know, like, how much data is.
I totally agree.
Like too much to, you know, analyse.
Speaking of that, I, I've been getting all these ads for used cars lately.
Cuz of this one accidental click that I did two weeks ago.
They should really make sure that if you close the window for the ad that you clicked within like ten seconds or something.
It should know that you did it as a mistake.
I did a joke on Ama.
Oh my God.
But you know I'm getting served so many of these ads cause it thinks I'm shopping for a used car and I'm not.
I mean, there's no way you could tell them.
And when does, when does that go away?
I I made a joke and clicked on the forehead mask on Amazon
And now, my entire profile is like, we recommend-
You love horse heads.
This mask, and that mask, and this horse thing, and that horse thing.
Basically, because I do research on Amazon-
That whole recommended list is just useless to me.
And it doesn't matter if you sign out of everything, too.
You can sign out of your Facebook, sign out of your Google.
It still knows.
We're all screwed.
But even as a business owner, though, like, I was just thinking about it, when I was reading this story, My dad used to own a restaurant for a while, and the only thing he had to worry about was writing a quick sub, like description and choosing which clip art he wanted to put in the Penny Saver, which was basically the newspaper version of coupon clipping.
And it was just an entire book of all classified ads and coupons.
And they would include that, include that with the Sunday newspaper.
And that was the only way my dad marketed his business.
He didn't have to worry about whether he should put it on Yelp.
Or, Amazon's next service, or any of these, like, you know, like, Yahoo reviews or Amazon, it's crazy how much you have to deal with now on the marketing side of owning a business.
And now there's Foursquare.
I don't know, I mean, Foursquare's been around for a while, but I. Like, reawakened myself to Foursquare.
Because now it's trying to take on Yelp.
And two times in the past month, it has been easy to get a recommendation on where to eat.
And instantly find it.
And it's like this little glorious miracle app, suddenly.
It's just not about the check ins anymore.
Now it, like I just went, I was in a, I was, okay, I need a steak restaurant near me.
Typed in steak.
Got the map, pictures, and reviews in one image.
You know, and so yeah, everyone's trying to take on that model.
Man, it's a little bit scary.
I feel like you could have the best restaurants and one review.
One negative reviewer could just take you down if they wanted to post several different things.
I was getting my nails done the other day.
And this one lady was going on about how she wanted to talk to the manager.
And I'm, like, Don't you write a bad review.
This is the best place ever.
And I'm gonna go on Yelp and be, like, These people are angels and they are amazing and don't listen to that cranky lady.
We need more positive people.
In New York, like you.
Filled with too many negative experiences.
Cuz when you're pissed, that's when you wanna do something about it.
Yeah, yeah exactly.
If your life is dandy, why would you do more work?
So that's Amazon.
Hopefully that will come, what?
By the end of the year I think they mentioned?
Well they, the report says that, some time by the end of the year.
Of course, you know Amazon.
They can drag their feet.
We've been hearing about a.
Smartphone for three years, and now we are just gonna be seeing it next week.
So, let's wait.
True, a gaming service.
Who knows what the future will bring.
Speaking of the future thought, let's get on to some IO west news.
IOS is not yet out for the public, but developers do have their hand in the STK.
I was eighteen.
iOS 8. So following the Worldwide Developers Conference, we talked about last week, we're starting to see more of the unannounced, under publicised features of iOS 8.
Which is the next.
The smaller little things that add up to something bigger.
Right, which is really cool, because, you know, how long was that.
Key not address.
For like two hours.
It was two hours, and still that wasn't long enough.
I think that they only spent maybe half an our on iOS 8, but.
You know, there are a lot of features that we're just now hearing about.
And they are not all good.
But, in the interest of staying positive, while Jeff's away, let's start with some of the good things that we're sort, sort of psyched about so.
The news that just broke today was that the SDK will allow you to run multiple apps.
Simul, simultaneously it's free.
They're multitasking, right.
Which is great.
We, we're not just talking about multitasking, we're talking about actually viewing two apps at once on the screen.
Course it's just for iPad something [CROSSTALK]
They probably didn't talk about that.
Yeah they didn't talk about that probably because they want to save that, Jim, for the iPad presentation, you know.
They, they're probably holding back on some because they want to show it in action.
Oh, for the next iPad version.
That's what makes sense to me.
When they're gonna show off the new iPad, when they're gonna show off the new iPhone, let's show it in action rather than like spoiling everything at the, at the developer's conference.
But yeah, they said that they had, you can either 50 50 screen.
Or a third and two thirds.
So maybe say like a same Twitter column and like a larger, you know, thing taking up two thirds of the rest of the space.
So that'll be interesting but, I mean, once again, every Android fan is.
Oh, I know.
I can sense it.
I can do that already.
I was just about to say, I can sense it.
Even though it's not even out yet on the internet, I can.
Feel them just typing on their keyboards.
There's a lot of Android vibe.
I mean there's more openness, developers can tweak with more things.
They can use the fingerprint scanner.
And then, and so, okay.
They can, they can mess with the keyboard suddenly.
So, they're gonna have interactive notifications you know, where you can get, get these alerts where you don't have to go into the app you can just get, almost like widgets.
And it's, it's yeah.
It's getting a little more loose, like a little android up in the apple, you know.
I feel like it's about time they've sort of opened up the software a little bit.
In the past, it's completely been closed in terms of the interface you haven't been able to adjust anything.
Even the accessibility features.
You know, for magnifying fonts and things like that have been kinda buried.
But, yeah, as you mentioned another big feature that you'd be able to change the font or the font size as well.
In, in the UI, which is not a big deal, but
It's [UNKNOWN] Apple's not gonna.
The customization like that, is, is, it's, it's, it's huge.
Especially when you get developers making things like keyboards, that could potentially.
And change the way that we use our iPhones.
So it's good to know.
Yeah, I mean, Apple wants to control the look, and the feel.
It doesn't want it to get all crazy, it doesn't want all the sudden a MySpace of your desktop screen, and we be all like sparkly and crazy.
But yeah, they're going to give a little bit of freedom slowly.
So I'm glad that they do close off their app store, so.
You know, how when it comes to Android, you don't know if you're downloading a virus or not.
If it just some silly tool, you don't know what sort of permissions you're giving.
You know, I would like to see more awareness of the permissions I'm giving an app and I think that's coming out too.
And multitasking is to be great.
I mean, I remember when they introduce just regular multitasking and app switching to the I think it was iOS 6, maybe, that did that.
In the future I'm envisioning, yeah, you know, maybe a Twitter sidebar, maybe a Google map, app next to, Yelp app so you can compare locations or things like that.
It's really gonna, it's really gonna help, so I hoping that happens, again, it's just a rumor so we're not confirming that yet.
Another big tweak is that.
I'm sure we've all been in this situation, none of us own cars, right now, but we have in the past.
Yeah, I miss my, my little blue Sonic.
I miss it so much!
We drove up to Montreal, and, like, wow.
I don't remember the last time was in a vehicle by myself, without a taxi cab driver.
What was, what was the kind of car you had?
We were upgraded to a Kia SUV.
Oh, your rental, OK.
Yeah, it was a rental.
It was great, and I lo, I just miss singing in my car.
I had this blue Mazda three, Oh!
The beauty, such a beauty, I, I yeah, named it Sonic.
Every car needs to have a name.
Every car has a name.
I don't know have you guys ever named your car?
What was your name?
I had a, I had a Nisan Sentra and it was called Two Tone because it like.
Had two different colors,
And then I had a forest green Cadillac, and that was called, Forest.
What about you, Justin, do you, did you have a car, back in the day?
Yeah, I had a, it was a 90, it was my first car I ever bought, it was a 96 Toyota Paseo.
And I called it Echo, because of the way the, like the ceiling was on the inside?
You could actually hear yourself echo.
So if you spoke, you would hear yourself, you know?
Speak more that I wanted to, so it's pretty cool.
It sounds like we all miss everybody.
My, my very first car was this ancient Toyota Corolla that I got because an old grandma just like kept it in a garage and sold it, like it was just, never used, and the family sold it to the dealership.
So, in honor of this mysterious grandma I called it Gertrude.
Yeah, my first car.
Was that her name?
That sounds like an old car.
You can't have, like a brand new car.
I mean it looked new, but it was 98, you know?
So I was like, thank you Gertrude for never driving this thing.
Tires had to be replaced.
They were, like, rotted from, like, being in a garage forever.
I loved it.
Well for anyone that's driven a car, you've definitely been in the situation where you've parked it at a big garage in a mall or a supermarket somewhere.
When you came back, you had no idea where you parked it.
Beep, beep, beep, beep.
Active beep beeping.
We made a total episode out of it.
And now, you never thought that apple would solve that problem, but another rumor that we're hearing from ios 8 is that a developer noticed the ability to basically know where you've parked your car and do it automatically too.
You don't even have to drop a pin or anything.
And then, when you leave.
Do they have that now?
Google has it I should say.
Be more specific.
Is it the pin?
Google Now guesses that you must have out of a car because you're not driving fast anymore.
But if you leave a bus, it still thinks that's where you parked your car
[LAUGH] Okay, cause suddenly you're not driving anymore [CROSSTALK]
So maybe it's the same kinda thing.
It's tracking your location see oh
she's not going 20 to 70 miles an hour anymore.
You're just walking.
Wait, but if you leave a bus does that mean the app thinks that [LAUGH] somebody has stolen your car and is driving away?
No, what I mean, the app doesn't know what, that your honest.
Judging your distance and, and velocity.
Now, I'm, I'm assuming I mean, you know, it's still in rumor, mode.
We are not really sure exactly how the text is going to work, but that sounds like a great guess.
It's got to be pretty.
Specific, because, I mean, GPS is gonna say like, oh you're in this general parking lot.
But if you need like, the row [CROSSTALK]
Yeah, yeah you need the spot.
I don't know how it's going to now the spot, or the row.
Maybe if you're in like one of those mega malls, and you're like oh you're on that side, but somewhere.
Obvious we narrowed it down for you.
Or maybe it has something to do with Apple Car Play.
Oh, look at you.
I like that.
You never know.
That could happen.
So we'll wait to hear more news about that as well.
When does iOS8 come out officially?
Oh, it's gonna be when the new iPhone comes out.
That's usually, they usually go in sync that way, and that's gonna be September, October.
A lot was said about that cause I'm definitely due for an upgrade.
What if it was on your watch?
If it was on your iWatch and, and, and oh my god.
It's tracking everything of where you are all time.
That could happen.
I think it's already doing that on.
You know it is really hard to turn off location.
There's, there are shortcuts on the iPhone.
To swipe up and turn off your bluetooth conveniently turn on airplane mode conveniently.
Where is my convenient location off?
No, I gotta go into settings, privacy and then location and then off.
Like, there's five steps to turn it off.
I think they're making it hard on us for a reason.
Because they make money on the apps that track us.
You know the Weather Channel app?
Whoa, slow down.
He's gonna think you're scared.
We need like a bag to put over your head.
You can't use the Weather Channel app unless your location is on.
I think it knows I'm in the city of New York City.
All right, that's all.
I don't even know what to say right now.
[LAUGH] Are you okay?
I may or may not have had a lot of sugar today as usual.
I can tell, I can tell.
Man that asbestos in your office is really [CROSSTALK]
There's a lot of construction going on here guys and there's kind of a funny smell in the office.
It may have something to do with it.
Yeah and to be completely honest it's really easy to run away with these tech conspiracy theories because unfortunately a lot of them come true.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's the danger.
The more data you give, the more places there is for it to leak out.
Well, Okay, so aside from the rumors that we've been hearing, here's one of the confirmed things that's definitely happening in iOS eight.
You will be able to use wi-fi to make phone calls.
So T-Mobile put out a letter to all their customers today, so if you're a T-Mobile customer you probably have that in your email inbox.
They announced that with, you know, you can already do that with Mac OS.
10 Yosemite, make phone calls using your Mac, but you'll also be able to do it on your phone if you're connected to a WiFi network.
And there may be some stipulation over whether a carrier will block that somehow or restrict it.
I'm not sure.
Yea, who knows how Spring or AT&T will work with it.
T-Mobile said that you'll be able to use it whenever, which could definitely save you a lot of money, and frustration if you're, you know.
I know a lot of people that even live in New York, that have terrible, cellular connections in their apartments for whatever reason.
They have concrete in their walls, and et cetera.
People still talk on the phone?
I think so, maybe.
[LAUGH] Make 911 phone calls definitely, you're not texting the calls.
You could do that it would probably a long [CROSSTALK].
Not, not in all areas.
No, actually they, they released text of 911 but it only depends if your area supports it.
Yeah, but there, but there's a list on a, on a government website of.
The areas that.
Support it, I mean they have to have the software on their end.
I think if you have duct tape over your mouth you wouldn't be able to make a phone call.
If you're afraid to talk
Right, hmm, good to know.
I don't know, yeah.
You might have just saved someone's life in the future.
And of course, if it doesn't accept it, you'll get a reply, we don't accept text messages.
and you're like.
Yeah, It's over.
But this could definitely put out a company.
I know Jeff, for example, uses Viber a lot, to make free text message between his friends, and, I know when I was travelling in Asia, la, over the last three weeks, I didnt have a cellular connection at all, because I had to turn off my phone, I was in airplane mode the entire time.
But we still needed to use, WhatsApp for example to communicate with each other.
Yeah, WhatsApp, or,
So now, if you logged onto a wi-fi network, it may make.
Group planning a lot easier while you're travelling and don't have that connection.
Data is the key though.
It's, you know, that's where they make their money.
They don't care if you have some free calls now and again.
Now they make their money off data.
And then the last thing that I want to mention about IOS 8.
This may be one of the better features, but.
I, I feel like a lot of the news media has been reporting this incorrectly, and, and I want to get our.
Take on it as well.
The news is that Apple's making it a little bit harder for marketers to track your location.
So, this is a, basically whenever you're on a cell phone and you're looking for a Wi-Fi network and you're phone is sniffing out for that it's putting out something called a mac address.
And mac address is basically a little signal that your phone puts out to let-.
This is your phone and-.
Your phone and it's a unique address.
And it lets connections know that your there and you're looking for.
For you're looking to establish a connection.
It's what, it's what cops use to track you sometimes.
When there's a report of like, you know, you doing something, they go do, they go to an app and say please give us information on that user.
Yeah, and Google definitely, willingly gives that out to people as well.
So that's essentially your IP address for your for your phone.
And up until iOS 8, those have always been public, and they've been given away to marketers.
So, say if you're in Starbucks or something, and it recognizes your MAC address, it could potentially send you coupons based on items you've ordered in the past, right?
But with iOS 8, the announcement was made that that MAC address was going to be private.
So it's going to mask your address with an anonymous key.
So now they won't really know who you are and I feel like the news media is largely reporting that this is gonna be something good you know in that oh Apple is so philanthropic.
they're protecting their customer's privacy like exactly they're strengthening privacy and, and Maybe you won't be served ads from just about anyone.
But, what do you think the real story is here?
Because Apple's never out for good, right?
There's always some ulterior motive that's helped them somehow.
Nothing's for free.
I wouldn't say that.
I wouldn't go as far as you just did right now.
I mean, privacy, to a degree, is becoming a selling point.
Ever since Edward Snowden had had the NSA leaks a year ago.
Suddenly it's become much more consumer's are much more hyper-alert of, of how they're being tracked and their privacy.
And no one wants to be on a device that looks like they're buddy-buddy with NSA spying.
And making it easy for hackers.
So on one end, this really could be an image thing for apple, But you got to wonder, they make money when groups like advertisers are happy to make apps for their network.
It only helps apple when people are really excited to market on their devices.
So where's the other alternative, right?
Where are they gonna lead them down to a different path.
Is it iBeacon?
Where iBeacon is a technology where you get a little ping when like, the phone is nearby and it can send a message.
Maybe they're just trying to encourage people to use iBeacon by taking away something else.
Maybe it kinda just redirects the attention to a different Apple product.
I, I, am in complete agreement with you on that, I think that's what it is, they've been pimping iBeacon for the next version of IOS and the next iPhone's definitely going to have that heavily.
And they're also throwing those bluetooth ibeacon sensors out there to any retailer that want to use it.
I got to test them out, at the city field where the Mets play.
They were just installing apps some major league baseball trying to put them in every stadium where you walk in the gates.
It's not for exact.
It's not very, it's, it's, it's like a radio wave.
It's only a small circumference, but I walk in it's like, boop, do you want, like this is your first time here or your second time here.
So, its know it's me.
It knows how many times I've been there.
And it gives me a coupon for hot dogs based on like my fifth time there.
Or you know, you should buy this [inaudible] and here's a coupon for the store when I walk near the store.
You know, so yea, I think it's an interesting way to kind of give those stores, hey.
You want that information.
You wanna know about your customers.
We'll do it our way.
Yeah, I haven't actually used the iBeacons myself, but I wanted to ask you, cuz I read online that you have to have the application that the store puts that on, online.
You have to have it.
Installed on your phone.
You have to have the.
In order to get those notifications.
So, it's kind of upton.
Not only installed.
I don't know if there will be a way to do it without it on.
But in the thing I saw with Major League Baseball, you had to have the app open as one of your many apps that were open in the background.
And so if you're someone who closes your apps, well then, you know, it's not gonna send you anything.
It needs to be open and then it'll send you notification alerts.
And the developers explained that they had.
An ability to decide what kind of pop-up they wanted to give.
And so they wanted to be little discreet and not too annoying.
So they're going to have like, like a, like a little drop down menu one.
But they probably could have permissions to be all up in your face.
I don't know.
Like I don't know how far or what kind of a, you know, abilities it can be taken to.
I mean, regardless it does sound like Apple is making a big push for it, so.
The ulterior motive may just be to put up a big fence to have all the advertisers pushed out on their next iPhone or ios.
Remember when you walked.
All under their control.
Remember when you walked into a store and it was like, scan this qr code.
To get a coupon.
And you're like, Really?
This is the next step of that.
You don't have to scan anything.
Just get that coupon.
It's the same voice that I hear in my head whenever he does qr.
Famous qr code.
It's kinda like Target lady.
Oh my gosh.
No Target lady.
I, I seem to recall her.
[LAUGH] All right, so let's get to some bad news about apple.
For people who are a little bit doubtful, our android listeners, you're really going to love this story.
According to a report in 9-5 Mac, this is also unconfirmed.
A lot of rumor mongering on today's show...
But, the rumor is that Apple's next pair of headphones will only work with Apple devices.
The rumor comes from a source of truth which is there is code out there to teach developers how to make a pair of headphones.
That only work with the charging port.
So if they are telling you how to do this, that means there is a possibility [CROSSTALK] that this might be the only way.
And Apple did just buy Beats.
And so they can conveniently have a whole line of headphones ready for you to buy in the fall, that don't work with the headphone jack.
And everyone's freaking out because we've had headphone jacks since the dawn of time.
Yeah I mean, before everyone starts.
starts freaking out.
I don't think that they're going to replace it.
It will probably be in addition to.
You never know.
But there is a lot of potential here because you can get a lot higher fidelity.
You can get lost list directly through the lightning bolt jack.
What I'm really excited about is the fact that the lightning jack is powered too right so you get.
Power going both ways, including the data signal, which means.
Which means, yeah, you, you can have some sort of extra feature by having that extra power.
Yeah, yeah, which meant that the bulky headphones that you get now, say like your noise noise cancelling headphones that have an external battery pack on them that makes them super bulky.
Maybe you'll be able to slim those, those down, and draw power directly from the phone itself.
And just drain your phone battery [CROSSTALK]
Probably a little bit, yeah.
But, in, you know, sorta the sacrifice if you want to get smaller, slimmer headphones.
Then you'll be able to get, you'll be able to get that instead of the bulk.
So that's kinda cool.
The other thing is, its possible that one day they would get rid of your phone jack altogether, but it's not really possible.
I don't know if they are going to rip the band-aid off right away.
Yea, they would really be shooting themselves in the foot.
Could they [CROSSTALK]
What if it was like this side model that was like their tester version that did it.
Oh, look how we made more room by not having this thing.
It's even better.
And look what we can do.
And people like go, well this is not my main iPhone but it slowly gets.
I mean the reason that they, you know, that they slowly converted everyone to the lightning port.
That, that was like couple generation process.
So it's possible.
You'll see one day in the future I can imagine.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't want that.
You wouldn't want that?
Like you said, it's probably gonna take up, and have some extra feature that just ends up taking battery, I don't know.
I mean I'll be open to it, but.
If the sound quality is better.
Than what they have now in the existing earphones?
Then, I would definitely.
[CROSSTALK] Yeah, cuz they could transfer more data across it.
So we'll see.
We'll report more on that.
You know, a lot of accessories that, that headphone jack.
Like, like square, you know.
I mean, they, they plug it in right there.
I mean, I don't know.
There's different versions of everything.
They can make new accessories.
That's just something that would impact more than just the headphone industry if they did that.
I'm hoping that they come out with a new wireless standard, cuz you can maybe just plug something into the bottom of the lightning port jack and get wireless headphones a little bit better.
Quality than bluetooth.
That's what I'd like to see personally.
Last story of the day.
I just wanna read this headline really quick.
And we both know what this is about.
And I know you refuse to click on it but,
I didn't click on it.
I saw that and didn't click.
And good on you.
You're a, you're a better person than I am for it.
But the headline was so insane.
[LAUGH] I have click ability willpower.
I couldn't resist.
This is coming from the dailymail.uk, everyone's favorite legitimate tech news publication, and this is a headline.
This is a real headline that went out.
Quote," Is the lake pictured on every iPad secretly cursed by the ghosts of disabled babies who were thrown into its waters because they wouldn't survive.
I dont want to laugh about disabled babies,
That's the headline.
But what's it say?
There's so much to grasp there, I mean, just, the language and the grammar alone in that headline is pretty cringeworthy, but the subject, too.
This is real.
I didn't want to reward them with a click for that, because that just means that, ugh, it encourages more of that awful headline.
Disabled babies who were thrown into its waters because they wouldn't survive.
Thought you had problems right now, with your existing iPad.
Now you got to worry about ghost haunting it too.
So this is the story.
[LAUGH] Cuz I actually read it.
Please tell me.
It's every bit as ridiculous as you thought from reading the headline.
So, if you ever opened up a brand new iPad you'll notice that the default wallpaper that you see in the background is this picture that, that we're showing on the screen right now.
And it's pretty mundane.
It, it's just like this simple lake you know, a beach front Really basic right?
It's actually according to the Daily Mail dot UK who did the research on this it's actually called Pyrmid Lake and it's in Nevada and it turns out you maybe accidentally conjuring up ghosts back from the dead everytime you swipe it to open.
[LAUGH] And here's why.
Because they interviewed a bunch of local Native Americans from a tribe called Paiute.
And those Native Americans have lived pretty close to this lake for the last few centuries, so they've been there for a while.
They've lived about 350 feet away from the lake that appears as the desktop wallpaper, right?
And the rumor, the stories that these Native Americans believe, is that the ghosts of dead babies thrown into the lake for being disabled, or premature.
Haunt the lake, night and day.
What kind of hauntings are we talking about?
And they also haunt anyone that takes photos or videos of the lake.
Is that so?
Or looks at photos or videos of the lake.
So, so they, they especially hate digital photography.
And especially, I mean, what if, with your iPad, and took a picture with your iPad?
You'd be dead.
It's terrible, right?
So, I mean, that's what, that's what these native American's think.
That's not the worst part, it's not even the ghosts of dead babies, and you thought that was bad it's actually a second ghost haunting it.
It's getting crowded in the lake.
Apparently, there was this one mermaid.
Just let me explain.
Apparently a long time ago there was mermaid who was banished from the village because she tried to marry someone from the village but they didn't like that.
There will be no marrying mermaids in this lake.
So they banished her into the lake.
She swore revenge.
That's mermaid racism.
It really, it's speciesism.
She swore revenge on anyone that came close to the waters and now.
They say you could hear her cries at night if you.
If you get closer.
Ariel sorry, I knew.
There's only one Arya okay.
I'm programmed in this office to say Ariel but I grew up with Ariel.
But you could hear both the cries of this mermaid.
And the babies.
So it gets loud, the real estate around there has really gone down because of the noise level.
But, it, you can't even look at the photos of this thing without worrying about getting haunted.
So now they're saying-.
Every time you open up a screen he does.
So we have a picture of it right here on the screen.
You haunted the 404, what'd you do?
What'd you do?
What, everyone is watching this now, what did you do?
Well there's only so many ghosts that go around.
How many people have iPads?
Who knows if they can get around.
What if you were watching this on an iPad on the, with the 404 oh my ga, oh my ga,
Just throw that iPad away.
But, so that's the story.
I mean the headline pretty good.
I think the story's like made for this show.
[LAUGH] I mean I might as well written this article myself.
It is pretty good, thank you for sharing that.
I do feel like this is probably a made up story by the tribe to get people to stop coming to take photos of what they think.
Scene on their iPad background.
Right, like I'm sure there's a lot of tourists that are like oh, I guess this is the laptop, or the desktop screen that I see on my iPad.
Let's go visit it.
And they're probably getting a lot of tourist [CROSSTALK].
Well isn't that, [CROSSTALK] doesn't that encourage tourism and help the economy?
And they could only buy this postcard print, cuz you can't take your own picture.
So leave the Paiute tribe alone, don't go visit the lake, for whatever reason.
Whether it's haunted or out of respect for the tribe.
I've been in haunted areas before.
There can be some vibes.
You've been in haunted areas before?
Are you a ghost hunter?
No, I went on a tour of a haunted estate.
Oh, they must hate that.
South Florida with,with Ghost Hunters.
And I was gonna, going into it about to market.
And it was, it was, there were some moments.
There were some moments that were unexplainable.
[LAUGH] Go on.
What, you heard like chains rattling or something?
I feel like I can't tell this story very well, because it was an experience.
But, I will say there were some unexplained things that you try to walk away, going, that had to be planted there, right.
There were children who died one of polio.
In this house.
And and you, the part of the experience was just kind of be quiet in the dark at night with you know, and just kind of think of these people.
And just feel whatever comes to you.
And at what, if you wink.
Oh, and like, and the people who do the tours know this house very well.
They've, they've recorded every orb, whatever, whatever it is, they've recorded it.
They've recorded all these things and they have evidence in their own way.
But on that night they're like, she doesn't like that bathroom.
She's in that bathroom.
They're like a, like a, there's a medicine mirror in the bathroom.
[LAUGH] And so I'm kind of like going I will not go in that bathroom, you know.
And I'm just staring in the mirror my whole leg just went tingly numb like
I may be, I may be unhealthy and unhappy.
Yeah you might be having a heart attack.
But, but, but I, I. I went back and the, the lady was like, what, something happened to you, didn't it?
I said, my whole left leg went numb.
And she goes, she was paralyzed from polio, after I said that.
ahh, she haunts me with her polio leg.
And so these are things that like, and then there was, and then on the mirror.
I'm laughing because you can't help but laugh.
Tell me it fogged up and a message appeared in the fog.
There was a baby face fog on the other side.
There was no baby face in the fog.
Don't **** me right now.
It was on, we were on.
People are listening to the show in the dark and you're freaking them out right now.
We were on the third floor and this was not part of the tour, this was like at the end.
We're just learning about the history of the house.
The lights were on.
And, on the window, there was like a mouse and hand print, like.
Like, clearly a nose was touching and a mouth.
[LAUGH] And, we went to touch it, and we were, no, no, the other side.
Wait, there was a person on the other side?
No, the plane.
The plane was on the other side.
Was not on the inside.
And there was no balcony to do this on, so, and the ghost people were like, oh, that's, that's weird.
We've, we never usually get haunts in here.
That's, we didn't.
And they were like, taking documents.
They're like, this isn't normal.
And so then like the whole group of us, we're kind of like all right with the whole experience until the end, and we just kinda like stare at the baby face.
[LAUGH] And then we're like all right, time to go home.
Time to go home and baby go to sleep.
[LAUGH] It was well worth my, my, 30 bucks, I'll tell you that.
Learn a little bit of history and see some baby ghosts [LAUGH]
It's been a great show a good show.
[LAUGH] happy to you know
That's a great way to end the show too [LAUGH] on that note.
You're lucky that Jeff isn't here, by the way, because if anybody that even says the word ghost, he obliterates.
I don't know why.
You know what I'm talking about?
Yea for sure.
He hates ghosts.
I mean, I don't think he hates ghosts, he hates people that believe in ghosts.
He's a paranormal believer, its a show, it's like that.
Well that's what I'm saying, I went like just.
Having some fun and, and-
Sometimes if you, like really get into it, you can go, like they're very soft-speaking people, and they really start talking about the energy in the room, and then-
[LAUGH] Yeah, but you paid for the tour, though.
And then, and you get all these tingles and you're like, the energy.
Yeah, and it's cold in there.
I, I, the en, I understand.
Let me hold this, let me hold this thing up and, he, it moved to the right.
And then you start to get to get into it though, you know.
I wonder how many tours they have a day, and if they split the cost of the ticket with the ghosts that have to perform every time.
Right, I mean that's some consistency in your haunting, to have the ghost do that for every pair of people that come in.
Sometimes, they go, they go, we, it doesn't happen every time, we, we might be lucky, you know.
Oh, you're lucky, of course!
They have to, to buckler with that.
I'm a spiritual person,
So I will say that, I don't know about the haunting part.
But I, but like, it kind of.
You sound like someone who's been to the Haunted Mansion at Disney Land one too many times.
And I know you're a Disney fan.
So I'm pegging you at that.
Yeah, they, they weren't, they weren't all dancing.
Yeah, they, they broke out in song.
They were happy though.
How was the gift shop by the way, cool?
All right so that is a great place to end this show so I'm glad that you came on today to tell us that story.
If you have any more ghost stories, let us know.
I'll keep you posted on my ghost tap.
On my ghost [LAUGH] sightings.
That's why we have you on.
Not for your diligent new reporting.
For your amazing ghost stories.
If you guys have any ghost stories keep' em to your self' cause I don't wanna read about them.
That really, that stuff creeps me out, but you can emails about some of the other stuff you've heard on todays show.
Tell us how much you love Bridgette cuz you know that we do, too.
The404@cnet.com is the email address.
You can also follow us on Twitter @the404.
Go ahead and follow Bridgette and CNet Update on there, as well, while you're at it.
Follow Ariel, as well.
We all have our own personal accounts.
Justin, do you have a Twitter account that you want to **** on the show right now?
Sure why not, I never use it.
I think I have maybe, what 10 tweets.
Well you're selling it so well.
It's like what 6 months.
Yea it's this_justin_fw.
I like it.
That's super easy to remember.
This just in!
We'll link to that in the show blog as well today, so go follow him.
Don't use Tweetdeck until further notice cuz it might hack your system.
Look it up online.
See what the status is if you're watching the show, cuz I don't know what the status is right now.
Well, we'll give you an update maybe tomorrow if you wanna come back on.
So that's gonna do it for us.
Thanks for checking us out.
I'm Justin Yu.
I'm Bridget Carey.
I'm Ariel Nunez.
It's the high tech, it's low-brow as well.
The 404 Show on CNET.
We'll see you guys tomorrow.
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