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This is episode 434, Friday the sixth of February 2015.
Windows is coming to Raspberry Pi, Uber and Google could be heading for a collision in the world of self-driving cars, and lost top-secrets notes, hand written by Alan Turing himself have been found in a most unexpected place.
I'm Rich Trenholm and joining me in our.
Liked in the studio this week is Luke Westaway.
Good to see you.
>. Good to see you, too.
Who else is here?
Unfortunately this week.
And no Jackson.
So we're gonna keep it fairly swift.
So that means no quiz this week, so I know many of you will be.
Not of a tender hook.
Yeah, you'll be up on a pedestal, with your tender hook.
[LAUGH] A tender hook will be all, floppy, I imagine.
[LAUGH] Rubbish, anyway, on that note let's dive into the news.
Yes, so, to kick things off, there is a new version of Raspberry Pie.
This is very exciting British news.
So, it's the well known low cost computer for developers and kids learning how to code and build computers and that kind of thing.
You went and saw it, didn't you?
I went to, I went to a launch event.
They gave us one.
To take home.
Take it out of the box and marveled at how it looks like a cool technical thing from the 90s.
And now you've got a media sensor or a small robot or drone or a-
Unfortunately I lack the intelligence and patience to really do anything with it.
So for now, what I've done is, I've got a really cool project that sits on my desk until.
>You know, that go by and go" Oh is that the new Raspberry Pi?"
Yeah, yes it is.
>And I go" Yeah, what's it to you?" And then eventually, I'll put a coffee mug down on top of it and it will break, and so ends its journey.
But it's quite exciting though, isn't it, the Raspberry Pi 2?
>Yeah, it's really cool.
So the Raspberry Pi 2 is a really significant upgrade to the hardware.
You get a quad core processor now.
And it's got one gigabyte of ram which is loads more memory than it had before.
And that's about it, actually.
But one good thing about everything else remaining the same-
Is all of the connectors on the board, so the USB and the HDMI.
Eason and all that sort of stuff.
It's the same number of ports and it's in the same place, so all of your current Raspberry Pi projects, you pijects if you will are are going to continue to be compatible.
So it's backwards compatible so it'll work with this existing stuff.
There should be also like a software update on.
You know, it's just sort of like, get the new one up and running and, yeah.
So you've got the existing project that you've built.
You've already built something with the original Raspberry Pi, you can just strap that out
Yeah, you've already strapped it into a robot teddy bear that goes to space and plays his xylophone made of coffee beans.
And this will be compatible with that.
Excellent, that's good to know.
And one of the things that's really got people talking is there is going to be Windows.
Windows 10, that's exciting.
Yes, that's right.
That was that was the most uh,um, definitely the most exciting news of, of the day.
So it's, it's going to be a version of Windows 10.
That's, that's raspberry pie compatible.
So to slightly couch that.
Oh, and it's going to be free.
[INAUDIBLE] Free Windows 10.
That sounds exciting.
And it is exciting, don't get me wrong, because it's not not exciting, but it's not quite what it sounds like either.
Rather than the sort of regular version of Windows 10.
You know, that, that most people be buying and more comfortable.
The full-size version for laptops and [UNKNOWN] and that kind of thing.
They'll be shipping on most laptops and that sort of stuff.
This is going to be a version of Windows 10 for Microsoft's developer platform for IOT, which is the Internet of Things.
So it's, it's a special skew, if you like, of Windows 10 that's for tiny little gadgets like the Raspberry Pie.
So it's anything that's internet connected that isn't a computer [CROSSTALK].
Be like a, sort of, like the cheapest way of getting, like, a proper Windows 10 com, computer or anything, but if you are sort of technology minded-
it does, that does give you a lot of extra devel, developer tools to mess around with, so it's quite neat and yeah something that's kind of cool is that [UNKNOWN] is the, the, the, the kind of inventor of the Raspberry Pie.
I was talking it and he says, previously the Raspberry Pie was a really really powerful computer.
Bearing in mind the price.
Now it's just a really, really powerful computer, that sort of is also really cheap.
So yeah, they're, they're really, they're definitely bigging up the, the power increases.
Excellent, well good stuff.
Well, what do our readers have to say about this?
Readers, listeners, and viewers.
Oh, those guys.
Hey, that guy.
Says, why would you want to neuter this thing with Windows?
Meanwhile, vkri2 says, I'm not going to be cynical about this.
I may be completely wrong, but I'd like to think Microsoft wants to truly get involved for altruistic reasons.
After all, Bill Gates does do a lot for philanthropy.
That is true.
It's not in charge of Microsoft anymore, but he does do lots of [UNKNOWN] [LAUGH].
Google, likewise, has done quite a bit, and I hope they get into this game, too.
Anyone hear from Apple, yeah, I didn't think so.
Say what you will, but as much, as much a thinker as Steve Jobs was.
He's no Bill Gates in truly changing the world.
I mean he's got a good point but I, I love that sick and non-secretary.
We, we, you know, we swerved off topic pretty, pretty dramatically there but.
A coincidence is to get accused and we actually get a keys to black job of changing the subject to Apple at a drop of a hat.
But that was.
That was, that was.
That was textbook, textbook derailing.
Yeah and especially when Apple hasn't done anything.
I feel like, I noticed Apple was very quiet on the subject.
You do that for everything, you do that for every news story.
Like, an elephant is born or something, in the zoo and it'd be like, don't hear Apple commenting on this, do you?
Red faces all around in Cupertino, I imagine.
[LAUGH] So there you go, so Raspyfi word it's excellent, it's still excellent,
It's cool, it's on sale now, it costs about.
A little under 30 quid so, you know give it a go if you're, if you're keen.
All right, moving on.
Also happening in the UK Dixons Carphone, which is the company that owns Carphone Warehouse and Currys and PC World, used to by Dixons, but isn't anymore.
They are starting their own mobile network.
So this is.
Okay, okay, sorry.
You're looking through.
We changed this wow!
So I dropped the ball, I'm back, I'm back in the field.
Okay, well they're starting an MVNO?
What's an MVNO, Rich?
Well Luke, I'm glad you asked, it says here.
Cold for clothes.
And nbno is a mobile virtual network operator which basically means it's a company that, that runs a network but it sounds like it's their own network but in the actual fact they're become the back end stuff.
The infrastructure the mass, the technology the hardware that kind of thing.
Is handled by another actual phone network.
Sounds deceitful are there any other companies already doing this?
Well I mean there's people at Tesco at Virgin media [UNKNOWN] so what it is is that it's a company that has their own brand on the front and someone like O2 or three or E takes care of the back end.
Not that deceitful a little bit.
What's gonna happen with this one the.
Car phone one is it's going to be it's gonna be three handling the back-end, the mass name structure, that kinda things.
We don't know yet what it's gonna be called.
It's probably gonna launch this year, or I think it's this year, maybe this year.
But they're still going to decide like, you know, what it's gonna be, what sort of form it's gonna take, that kinda thing.
But it's, it's, it's yeah, it's another, another change in the mobile market.
Well I can't wait to see which.
Celebrity they get to do the voice on the adverts.
That is a good point.
That is the most important thing when you starting a network.
They probably decided that bit.
Yeah, get that out of the way.
Who would you get?
If you were starting a network.
Who would you want?
It's got to be a recognizable voice not necessarily face.
And it's got to be affordable.
Well, Sean's been taken.
Yes, [UNKNOWN] taken.
And so, I mean, what else is there to play for?
Well this week you've taken.
Yeah, of course, yes.
He's got a recognizable voice.
Right, he's got a lovely voice.
Yeah, he has.
And he would say, you know, if if you don't pay your phone bill I will find you and-
I'll find you and I'll, yeah.
We'll kill you.
Sign up to our network.
If you don't pay, I'll get you.
I'd definitely sign up.
So yeah, I mean there's a lot going on in the market at the moment.
Yes there is and it feels like there's, there's a lot happening.
It's all it's all down to the bt buying ee.
Or at least trying to buy ee
pending regulatory approval.
And that has thrown the whole.
Mobile market into crazy upheaval, so we've got, the company that owns three, Hutchison Whampoa, buying O2, trying to buy O2 pending regulatory approval.
We've also got Sky says that its going to make its own mobile network.
And now we've got Dickinson's car phone also throwing their hat in the ring.
That's right, yes.
Just when things had got all settled down and nice.
And we all had 4G, which was all nice.
Well, I'm, I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic about this particular news, the idea that this, this sort of sky and Dixon's coming in and making their own, their own networks, because the new players will balance out the fact that the other players, the other major networks, like so are combining, so BT and E combining, that kind of thing.
And three and oh-two [INAUDIBLE].
So the is it that way around?
It's one of those.
But yeah, so I mean [INAUDIBLE] if the if the market shrinks and there's less, there's less network, then, you know, there's less comp competition and.
Price-wise that's not a good thing.
So, from our point of view, from the consumer's point of view, we kind of hope that they're, when new players come in, that does keep things honest.
Yup, and keep
And keep everyone competitive.
I'll tell you what.
When Tesco market launched and they had some crazy deals on stuff generally.
Yeah, we were always writing about them because it was like, they're selling what?
For how much?
so, you know, that was an [INAUDIBLE].
Viewers with a sensitive disposition may wish to look away now, because it is absolutely terrible.
You know how sometimes, corporations will try and show that they're human after all, that they have a human side.
And it all goes wrong because they're not human.
I think probably the best, I think it's the case of' show, not tell'.
HTC has basically dissed Apple and Samsung in a rap video.
Wait for it.
So Mark, if we could have a quick look at a clip of this.
This is HTC recruiting a rapper from PM Dawn to rap about how great the M8 is.
Are we gonna have a clip for this?
I think we are, yeah.
I mean, I am not an expert on rap music.
Maybe it's an o. Okay rap.
But, it's not.
It's not good is it?
It's pretty bad.
This is I'm not sure if this is as bad, it's definitely up there with the Blackery song that they did a few years ago, did you remember that?
That was kind of a country-rock one where [CROSSTALK] got together, that was, look that one if you a, if you.
If you, if you can face it, if you can keep down your, if you haven't eaten lately [LAUGH].
If you [INAUDIBLE], I mean hopefully, fingers crossed, this was meant to be rubbish and they were hoping they're going for the column inches, but what about, what our readers and listeners say about this.
Readers and listeners.
You care about them more than you care about me.
We'll talk about it later.
That's a no.
We'll talk about it later.
That is true.
ESU and Intel says agree with comments others have posted on how ridiculous this is, but HTC should have gone a step further.
They should have backed a good cause and challenged Apple and Samsung to a rap battle, sort of like the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge.
He's always thinking of others, isn't he?
[INAUDIBLE] ESUN intelligence.
Do you think Apple would rise to that challenge and create?
Well Apple's strangely silent on the rap battle front, right now.
Yeah, what Apple said, nothing.
Notable by it's absence.
Some say probably would.
And, you know it would fine mood.
Speedy says:" Yet, HTC can't update their phones in the time they promised.
When I bought they phone, the MH.
Because, yeah, because all the, all the engineers, all the [INAUDIBLE] engineers who should have been working on updating the phone have been producing this rap video for the past [INAUDIBLE].
You see, the thing is, Speedy, there's only, corporations only have so much money, and what they've done is they've taken.
Quite the loss of that money.
And instead of spending it on the updates, they put it into a rap video.
So, I mean, maybe just watch the rap video on your phone and, and try and enjoy that.
I mean that makes sound business sense when you think about it.
It's, it's just business 101.
Google is said to be considering a ride-sharing service, which is what Uber already does.
And Uber is supposed to be considering, self-driving cars, which is something that Google already does.
So, Uber has, has an outstake on putting money into a new lab called Uber Advanced Technology Center which sounds a little bit fascist, actually.
and that's gonna be located in Pittsburgh and they're gonna work with students and staff from the Carnegie Melon University to work on self driving cars, and the boss of Uber Travis Kalanick who is in no way a pantomime villain.
Now what did he say while twirling his cape around?
Yeah, well he said that while untying someone from the train track, he said that the reason Uber could be expensive is your paying for the other dude in the car he's talking about the driver there.
When there is no other dude in the car, the cost of taking an Uber anywhere is cheaper.
Which is obviously fantastic news for the drivers.
On whom the entire Uber business is based.
I imagine they're, they're very happy to hear this news.
I'm just like static, way to throw your entire work force under the self driving car there.
Tie them to the train tracks.
And also on the sec, on the, flip, flip side of that Google might be wanting to get into taxi's according to a report from Bloomberg.
Is it, how substantiated it?
This is totally unsubstantiated.
Okay, so we don't.
No, and what's interesting though about that is that obviously Google is kind of pouring money into the self driving cars, which is probably one of the most interesting things Google is working on now.
They really captured the public's imagination as opposed to those rubbish Google Glasses.
Go on forever.
But this could actually be a way for Google to maybe make some money from those cars.
Exactly, like a network of taxis like beetling around that aren't being driven by anyone.
Yeah, that's a good idea, yeah.
But what about-
I notice, Apple, of course, is, strangely quiet.
Yeah, strangely quiet [CROSSTALK]
Yep, they need.
But what about-
What about our readers?
They're, they're not silent on the forum.
They're not silent at all.
Ozman underscore chez.
Says so cool, I would like a taxi service without a driver that isn't constantly swearing, coughing, watching porn, or asking me questions about why I look the way I do.
I mean that sounds like-
That is a good point.
They, they sound like bad taxi experiences.
Bored in California says.
It's scary enough to contemplate riding a self driving car made by a tech giant Google.
Uber, the notoriously ethically challenged company that behaves like a corporate version of a sociopath, would I trust my life to a product made by that company?
[LAUGH] Somebody must be smoking too much.
Well, Uber doesn't have the best reputation.
No, it's got a horrible reputation,.
And I, one day if that links to the terrible things that it does.
I, I think someone should drawn a link to that [INAUDIBLE]
Between those two things there.
Somewhere there's a detective looking at a big cork board and he's got a red piece thread and he's connecting, connecting those.
Anyway interesting times.
Meanwhile on the flip side of that.
So that's Google getting into giving taxi ride thing.
Not biased just smart says I wonder if their drivers will try to sell passenger's conversations to advertisers, too.
That's very cutting.
I like it.
Well, Jeff Max in D.C. says wow.
Just wow, isn't this true.
Goo, but wait, I think that he's being sarcastic.
Google can be the world's finest purveyor of information on the internet and there's no shortage of improvements they can make in that regard.
And yet, they feel compelled to **** around with concepts that have nothing to do with their core business or their inherent strengths.
Just a complete lack of focus that I find utterly astounding.
That is true actually.
That is a good, that is a good point.
I like Google with no focus.
[LAUGH] Fun Google.
Yeah, fun Google!
Fun Google's gone.
Google, you used to be cool.
Remember when, and I think it was Larry.
Of the two Google blokes.
And he was like we're gonna put more wood behind fewer arrows I think was the quote.
And what that's [UNKNOWN].
What that meant was we're gonna kill off like labs or, all the fun stuff.
The things you can install on your Gmail to make it do crazy stuff.
you know, It's all going.
It's all gone.
That is a shame.
Well, self driving cars, they're the future apparently.
We know we won't need anyone.
We won't need taxi drivers, see?
Alan Turing's lost notes survived 70 years stuffed in the walls of Bletchley Park.
Rich, why don't you take over the rest of the story.
I couldn't handle the responsibility.
Well you, you stepped up to the plate, Mike.
I stepped up to the plate and I, I dropped the ball.
My sports metaphors are all over the place.
Picture the scene.
Top secret military base, Bletchley Park.
Mathematician Alan Turing and his colleagues are hard at work.
A rhythmic tapping noise fills the air.
Is it's the latest Morse codes transmissions from German high command?
No it's their teeth chattering.
Because apparently especially on their part, it was very, very cold.
So they took to stuffing the walls with waste paper.
Stuffing the holes in the walls with waste paper and paper in the roof to sort of insulate the house.
And what waste paper is lying around in a secret military base?
Top secret notes.
Top secret notes.
Top secret notes.
Yeah, so even though they were supposed to, destroy these notes, [INAUDIBLE].
And it's now been found, or it was found in 2013 anyway.
It was found about 70 years later.
These notes that were found, they were kind of unscrambled-
And you can see how they were found in the roof there, and they've been unscrambled, and they were in a bit of a bad way, but you can still make out the kind of pencil and crayon writings.
So this is actual handwritten notes by Alan Turing and his colleagues.
I mean this doesn't mean anything to me, it's just an ocean of.
Of numbers and codes and, and slashes and stuff.
Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
And what's interesting that some of these notes, they, they can't decipher they, ironically.
Today's experts are looking at it and some them whom they're looking at it are going oh, this is a handwritten example of this particular type of system.
And others, they're going oh, I have no idea what that means.
Well when I went if you're expecting a kind of slick sort of museum experience.
You don't kind of get that as a bit show yourself around.
Lots of volunteers and stuff.
Which is nice and I think that it's really good and it's really important that it's been kept up.
Quite a lot of information about pigeons as well.
Pigeons are all in the wall.
And if you
Often over looked.
Often I overlook them, I hate criminaling.
So, like you say, it has been refurbished and it does it pretty cool, we actually have a couple of focus stories on the website, so if you can't get on to [INAUDIBLE] yourself, and you're interested in this kind of period of history, check it out.
We have a couple really good focus stories, you can have a virtual tour.
It's really interesting.
Yeah, exactly, it's a real interesting period of history, and most of the Biblical rival.
Revival of interest with the
Yeah.>> Imitation Game coming out and that kind of thing.
I think if I had known about this when I was there I would have had a look in the walls.
I'd wonder what else they'd been hiding.
[LAUGH] That's a good point.
Anyway on, on that night.
Finally we want to talk a little bit about Black Mirror another British success story.
It feels absolutely weird doesn't it, going from
World War Two to.
I don't know anymore, but I'm so confused thanks to Black Mirror and Bletchley Park, I just don't know who I am.
[CROSSTALK] That's the crisis.
Good listeners tell us, is technology good?
We don't know anymore.
Help us, help us.
I mean, it's certainly shiny.
It certainly is.
No one's saying it's not shiny.
So, what we're talking about here is Black Mirror, which many of you may have seen.
It's a British tv show created by Charlie Brooker professional [INAUDIBLE] missing [INAUDIBLE] and sometime journalist.
Black Mirror is a story, it's kind of an anthology story, it's like the Twilight Zone, and it's, it's kind of a modern updating of that, which tells these, these kind of one off stories about the dark side of technology and how it kind of, how it feeds into the human.
Frailties and weaknesses that we, that we all have.
Anyway, and the reason this has kind of come up again is that in December it appeared on Netflix in the US.
And the Americans have gone, gone nuts for it.
They've gone absolutely, absolutely cuckoo for it.
They've gone bananas.
And so there's now to the point where there's actually talk about a US remake.
So there you go.
You were in the U.S. recently, weren't you?
Yes, I was in the U.S.
for CES and I was talking to loads of our esteemed CNET colleagues.
And honestly, loads of people asked me about Black Mirror, like.
Like, I haven't even seen all of it, and I think it's really good.
And I live in the country where it's made.
But yeah, everyone wanted to talk about it.
So it, it, it, it's just it's a totally it's a total kind of phenomenon in the US so-
Well it's got, I mean obviously you're at a, at a [INAUDIBLE] actually.
That would have been a bit of a [INAUDIBLE]
Yes you know, the, the, the yeah, exactly so the subject was, was there but-
Well it's, it's, it's pretty cool.
I mean I, I, I, I actually watched it for the first time relatively recently.
I saw a couple episodes when it was on but I kind of caught up with all of them on on air.
And it's, it's great.
What I really like about it is.
So each one has this kind of like dystopian future with this great kind of strong concept, and then kind of the Hollywood way of doing it would be to tell this big story about how everyone rises up and smashes the [UNKNOWN].
I mean there is a particular episode for example where everyone has memory implants, where they can record everything they see and they can play back the things they see.
And the kinda Hollywood version of that I guess would to be like there was a murder and they were.
Instigating a murder using that, the kinda minority report.
Minority report, yeah.
But instead, the story they tell is this very small story about a wife's infidelity and a husband's jealousy.
And how the kind of that, that, that sort of human frailty that all ready exists, but it's kind of fed into by the, the technology there.
I don't really like to have these very small stories.
It does mean they're very.
very bleak cuz they often never get smashed in the end.
It's incredibly bleak.
I mean, that's what the show is.
It's a big theme of the show, isn't it?
How sort of technology doesn't do anything to iron out basic human failures.
Speaking of which, actually, this is a bit of a tangent, but if you are a fan of Black Mirror and [INAUDIBLE] know new episodes aren't coming anytime soon, but you might want to check out Ex Machina, the movie that's out at the moment.
The Alex Garland
Film, that's very similar.
It's got a kind of like.
Science fiction high concept.
Have you seen it?
Can you talk about it?
I can now because it's finally out in cinemas.
I saw it like a year ago and wasn't allowed to talk about it for ages.
But it is very, very good.
It's a got a love triangle with a robot.
But anyway, speaking of-
Love triangle with a robot?
Should have been on the poster.
It's a love triangle.
With a robot.
That should have been the title I think, yeah.
They were two acute angles, but the third angle was a robot.
The third angle was obsolete or something.
I don't get that.
The third angle was, delete, delete.
Do you think Ex Machina would have worked if the set of the robot that they had-
It was a Dalek?
Oh, do you know, I think it would have been even better, ten times better if it-
If, if that, in fact that should be the first [INAUDIBLE].
Anyway, we're getting a little bit off the point.
So what do our readers say about it?
On the subject of remakes, Steve McLaughlin 2 says, I don't understand why we remake a-
Wait, Steve McLaughlin?
Steve McLaughlin 2.
cuz Steven McLaughlin still owes me a tenner, so that's why.
Well there's the [UNKNOWN] there's probably trying to disguise the fact so it would slip under your radar.
Anyway Steve says, I don't understand why we remake American versions of British shows.
I assume Steve lives in the US.
Many times they're a lot better originally, like Top Gear for example.
It's a sad state of affairs when Top Gear is the prime example of something.
But top gear is a like our biggest national export isn't it?
absolutely it is, yeah.
I think it's.
I think that's, There has been an American version of Top Gear and it didn't really work.
Yeah, I've seen it.
I've seen things like that, it wasn't very good.
I know, but I mean, I actually looked at and really did a list of British shows been made in the US trying to find some good examples, and really The Office is it.
That's the only one where they've managed to both.
Capture the spirit of the original, and bring enough new to it that it's become a new thing.
I mean, there's been so many high profile failures, I mean [UNKNOWN] and Red Dwarf and all that kind of thing- -
I mean, the thing is now, it's not really as necessary anymore.
I can still see why they do it, because in the old days, you know, people wouldn't necessarily, I mean people in other countries wouldn't necessarily- -
Yeah, like this is how you would get that show, right?
But now you've got Netflix- - It's on BBC America also.
Despite, it's, it's great to see people enjoy Downtown Abbey and.
It is great.
I'm sure people enjoy Downtown Abbey.
Anyway, all right, well, that's enough for the news.
That's no quiz this week because there's no Andy, so we're going straight to the feedback.
Loads of feedback this week.
All right, let's hear what you guys have been saying in the feedback, and so, we asked you on Facebook, [INAUDIBLE] podcast later today.
Ask us anything.
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And those people were Ricky Camar Rickman, Abdal Qaliq, the Rock, and Stefan Amadeis.
Keep the feedback coming at email@example.com.
[CROSSTALK] I feel like we're giving a lot.
Oh, too many things to list.
See, it's not that hard, listeners.
That was a, that was a great feedback question.
Yeah, that was textbook, textbook, yeah.
Follow this example.
Rich gave a great answer as well.
Great, well thank you.
Keep that feedback coming.
We can also.
Yeah, we've given you the email address, but maybe, maybe I should give it a few more times.
Yeah, you can also find us on Facebook and Twitter-
[CROSSTALK] Yes, absolutely.
right, well that's it for this week.
Thank you Luke.
Thanks to our producer, Mark, who you will never see.
Right we'll also work on our American accents for our inevitable remake in Hollywood.