Prominent tech and science experts call for killer robot ban (Tomorrow Daily 216)
On today's show, Stanford University is teaching robots to play games, a whole bunch of scientists and prominent technology people have signed a petition to ban killer robots.
Finally, you can play half life two on your watch.
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So let's talk about this petition because this has kind of been a big deal.
It's been all over the Internet this week.
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This is gonna be a hot button topic, so please try to be respectful of each other.
Although it's a very controversial thing.
So okay, I don't think it's controversial but there has been an open letter that has been published by a group called the Future of Life Institute that has been calling for a ban on autonomous weapons.
Okay, so we're familiar with Terminator.
Autonomous weapon, a killing machine.
Prominent scientific and technology minds of our time have signed this petition.
We're talking about Elan Musk, Steven Hawking, Steve Wozniak.
These are people who are extremely well versed in technology.
They are you know they're in it everyday, they understand the ramifications of what autonomous Weaponry would mean.
Now, they define in this petition autonomous weapons as ones that quote, select and engage targets without human intervention.
So you send this robot off, and we've seen this with.
Very controversial drone program, where you send these drones off to autonomously bomb a location without understanding or knowing what targets they're hitting, So you see a lot of inadvertent civilian casualties with drones.
Which is awful, really bad, not good.
But there is also something to be said there for not allowing robots to choose Who is being killed.
There as to be some sort of human element there that we can't give that control to robotics in AI.
That's the argument.
Okay, so for me, I mean I don't, the fear here is that at some point we're going to get into a global AI arms race where it's going to be Every country, sort of like the nuclear arms race but with autonomous robotics which autonomous robot race seems like a really bad idea.
Because then, if you're racing, a lot of times you don't stop to really think about what you're doing and so you just go.
You want to be first and forget all the consequences and It's not properly thought out and the steps are taken and fey fashion and so that's why this petition has been signed.
I know that this sort of strikes you particularly right now because you just got done catching up with Humans.
And so this is a big discussion that's being had on the internet with- A lot of our media that were watching and seeing like, you said, humans.
Mr. Robot deals with robots.
I mean, obviously a Roomba isn't going to come get you, but the argument is is that we're already working on autonomy and so many different things in technology like Take a stand now.
Nip in the ****, basically, before it gets out of control, and say no autonomous weapons.
We cannot have this.
Including the drone part.
We got to just stop all this.
You didn't say the names of the people that were attached.
Steven Hawkins, Steve [INAUDIBLE] these are all people.
And I'm sure at some point, if he's so inclined, Bill Gates has also expressed a concern about AI getting out of control I mean, we've seen many different scientists and technology CEOs and experts.
I mean, all kinds of people, roboticists getting into, in a scientific community, getting into petitions like this and making quotes about things like this thing, like we cannot let AI get out of control.
So it's really interesting that we're kind of living in a time where we feel that it is so imminent, even though it might not be, that we have to have these really serious discussions or these kinds of petitions about it.
I think the people that are worried about it are worried about kinda the snowball effect of
You know, it's only going to go from one little thing, and that's going to kind of grow.
So if they make one mistake and then, look, oh, let's take for example, they said they're going to have an AI race.
So we're just seeing those [UNKNOWN] Numbers.
It's just a matter of if x country versus x country.
Well, we have 50 AI robots that we're gonna throw at you.
And we're like, we're gonna throw 50 more.
You know what?
We gonna up that.
We'll do 20 more, and then we'll do 30 more.
We have more.
And then it's just gonna be a mess.
Or now ours can do this thing, and now this one can detect
Specific types of people, like there's a lot of fear about hard AI.
We don't have hard AI.
We do a lot of soft AI.
I mean, we have a lot of it.
And so, soft AI lives in our phones.
This stuff, we want to have self driving cars.
This is all soft AI.
So, The idea of [UNKNOWN] coming along and really kind of making those decisions for us is probably not a great idea, and so I don't disagree with the position.
I know that there are some things I was just listening to (this conversation is going to go a long way) I was just listening to [UNKNOWN] which is really great podcast they were talking about burns And Sydnee McElroy, who's a doctor, she mentioned, she's like, war is a terrible thing, but for burns specifically we made a lot of advancements in World War I, and World War II because people were getting burned by things we had never really seen before.
And so, while war is a thing that kind of galvanizes some forms of innovation like.
I would rather not have, I would rather it take longer and just not go through that process because there's people's lives involved and that's terrible, so I mean, that's what I say.
Is that our hashtag of the day?
Well, I figure
Good we'd turn it around, we'd turn the frown upside down because that's obviously a really serious topic, and we are if anything-
It's kind of a sad thing, these guys are-
No, it's very serious.
It's an interesting topic.
These big people like Wozniak and Elon Musk, it's just for conversation.
They're obviously not-
It's an important conversation.
up in arms against anything that specifically that's happening but it's just kind of to protect, and these guys
Have their eye on that sort of world.
So, yeah, again it's just to get people's brains out there.
Hopefully this doesn't get too crazy as far as the-
I don't think it will get too crazy until we hit hard AI.
At which case I think we're gonna have some very serious problems.
But let's a #TDNEWAI and instead of thinking of a bad type of autonomous robot
Let's come up with good kinds of autonomous robots.
I got one, [COUGH] a host robot that will do a much better job-
Than me, yeah.
I like that, that's really good.
Yeah, we'll get him a Walking Dead shirt that fits.
We'll make him some blue pants, it'll all be good.
It'll be really nice.
Looks just like Mr Robot.
And they won't mess up any information.
No, no, they'll be completely non-human.
And they won't be effected by any of the comments.
And they don't need a paycheck.
Well, maybe someday we do have to pay them.
Pay the robots?
Pay the robots.
Maybe pay them in some sort of robot currency.
I would make a robot that detects your chemical imbalances in your brain and decide what kind of complement you need at that exact moment.
Oh no, that's bad.
Cuz we'd become self-reliant on that
No, I don't think so.
I think maybe if they were just randomly sprinkled throughout the world, you just randomly run into this robot.
It was like whatever you need at that moment.
Like maybe you're feeling down about something, it was just like don't worry, your hair looks great.
You thought you got a bad haircut and just randomly it was like, your hair looks great.
So in my scenario, I met a
Stoplight and was just bummed.
Another car drives up next to me and rolls back and goes hey, you're pretty smart.
You're pretty great Kell, anonymous.
And then it just drives away into the sunset.
I like it.
So yeah, TDNEWAI, that's the hashtag.
What is this about playing Half Life on a smartwatch?
[LAUGH] So weird.
So basically this guy has found a way to play Half Life 2 on your Android watch.
It's something not many people have been asking for but I do kinda want.
So this guy basically [INAUDIBLE] Bennet may have found a way to put [INAUDIBLE] your smart watch.
That's really the story here.
The down sides are the other part of the story.
Which are, it looks a little shotty.
You know, Half Life 2 is an old game.
That doesn't mean an Android watch can run it in its full potential.
As you can see, it runs pretty smoothly, but it ranges from 60 frames per second, which is the normal expectation, to two frames per second, maybe if there's too much action going on.
Two frames a second.
That's not good.
Not so great.
It's also, apparently He actually does this for Android phones as well.
It's not just...
So it's like a hobby.
Just a way for him to show off.
He's loaded up Team Fortress Classic and Portal on his phone.
Portal on phone sounds fun but also very difficult.
So as you can see it's not like he's going to beat the game on here, which I'd still like to see.
I mean that would be kind of amazing if he beat the whole game.
[INAUDIBLE] Whole place around this.
He twitch stream?
Right from your Android wear?
The graphics all limited, it's terrible.
Yeah it crashes all the time so there you go.
Yep, it crashes a lot.
So I'm assuming its some kind of emulator, right?
Like whatever the engine is, it emulates it?
That's pretty interesting>> So there you go.
That's no confirmation of any half life at all.
Its just on a watch.>>So going from humans playing games on robot If you call a smart bot watch a robot, to robots playing games with humans.
Stanford University has this visual, they released it last week and I've been saving it.
And I was finally like okay today's the day.
They have an artificial intelligence lab Which looks really fun, by the way.
It looks like a fun place to study and create robots.
They have been teaching robotic arms to do things like play ping pong, like you're seeing right now, play cup-and-ball, Catch stuff and have all these great sort of detection skills.
this one right here is one that follows a quad or a helicopter and like basically catches them on a landing pad which is pretty neat.
And so they said in the video, it's pretty great.
They're like they're not really good at it, like you watch the ping pong one and it's like you know, they're just like they miss a lot and they try really hard.
Like yeah, watch.
So that's pretty good.
But then, sometimes he's just like, [INAUDIBLE] he's just like, never mind.
I messed up.
It's pretty cool that they're doing this.
And this lab seems like a really fun place to hang out.
They're pretty good at catching stuff.
They do the Japanese cup and ball game And they said that this, all of this work, so watch this he's going to do the cup and ball.
I can't even do that.
I can barely do that.
They said it's a foundation for more complex tasks that robotic arms will be able to complete which It's pretty exciting generally for robotics and then also, I would imagine, really exciting for the students who are studying this an developing these robots.
It's pretty cool.
Wow, that does look like a fun place to go.
It looks pretty fun.
When you watch the video, everyone seems like they're having a great time.
And they're fascinated by what's happening, they're really engaged.
But they're also having a really good time.
Like no one seems like miserable, like no body seems miserable at the stanford university artificial intelligence lab.
Yeah, that's fun.
Which is pretty amazing.
All right guys we're going to take a quick break, we're gonna come right back.
It's Tuesday so we're gonna talk about some new stuff that's gonna empty our wallets, so don't click away its Tomorrow Daily.
Welcome back to the show.
It's a Tuesday which means it's time to tell you about all the things we're gonna go broke for.
It's time for new releases.
Genghis may have been drinking before we started the show.
Genghis needs to get it together.
He need to get it together.
All right, first release.
I have been hearing great things about Mission Impossible that's out this week.
Rogue Nation, Rogue Nation.
This is the movie where Tom Cruise, well, he's known for doing a lot of his own stunts, right?
He's really into this, but there was a featurette where they were like hey, he's actually, really
Honest to God, attached to a plane.
And we took off and landed like eight times with him attached to this plane, which was crazy.
And then Simon Pegg's in it and Jeremy Renner.
Yeah, here is, he's actually attached to that plane.
He's tethered and they just CG-ed out the cabling.
But Those are really his legs flailing in the back as the plane actually, in real life takes off from the ground.
Apparently they did it seven times.
No thank you.
They had to do it seven times.
No thank you.
That is crazy.
It's pretty awesome,
And he also climbed the building in Dubai.
Yeah he did, I think, Burj Khalifa, right?
That tall building.
But Jeez that was scary.
I would not like any of that.
And he also apparently, and this was under water.
He shot a scene underwater continuously for six minutes.
That's like Houdini levels of breath-holding.
So, if anything, go see that movie just because of Tom Cruz's commitment >
It is the perfect summer movie.
to the craft of acting.
He went straight method on that one.
Like, I am [UNKNOWN] Also coming out today, some of you might not be familiar with this series, but King Quest: A Knight to Remember They're rebooting King's Quest.
And apparently, again, also getting really good reviews.
This is an episodic game where, it kinda reminds me of Telltale, where they're gonna do like different episodes of King Graham's history and how he came to be a king.
And it's gonna go over five episodes.
The first one drops today.
You can go check it out
It's out for I think both Xboxes, both PlayStations.
So PS3, PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360 and then also PC.
So you can get it on just about any platform.
No Wii U. Sorry guys.
No iOS No Android?
Not yet, maybe they'll release it on iOS and Anroid though>> No Gameboy Advance, sorry about that.
Well the developers the odd gentleman and they're here in LA and a lot of times they do stuff for iOS and Android so we might see it come to mobile.
Maybe if Sierra is interested and if there's enough interest You know, from the fans too.
Okay, getting crazy reviews.
I didn't play the original.
I loved it.
I specifically remember a lot of playing King's Quest Two and it was really, really hard because it was like Space Quest.
It was like the controller Trolls are, you know, the arrow keys.
And you have to like, there's no tips.
There's no hints.
It's just, you're walking around a giant map, and sometimes you'll walk into a screen.
And all the sudden there'll be a monster there, and you'll get eaten.
If you don't have the right item, you're just dead.
That's it, it's over.
And you have to go back to your last load point, which is usually like ten minutes prior, which is terrible.
Yeah, those old games had a real big bite on them.
Yeah, so new King's Quest is pretty cool.
And then, lastly, something a little bit different than movies or games, but A very important release, Windows 10 comes out this week.
Maybe wait to download it.
Well, it's been.
There was some guy that was like, I'm working on a really big project right now.
I was like, don't download it yet.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
You don't want to do something until you're 100 percent sure.
Two great things about Windows 10 though is that it's been in beta for a long time, and which means that a lot of the software manufactures, developers have been able to make their stuff compatible right away.
Why, what is this,
There is a globalizing sort of the idea of Windows and-
Yeah, but you get a free baby?
That would be amazing.
You get a free baby.
I want an asian baby.
They talk about how all of these.
KIds will never know the concept of these older computer concepts.
It's actually a pretty good commercial.
You mean like not have the Windows start button?
Well, now it's coming back?
I know, that's what I'm saying, those lucky kids.
They've never known a life with a start button and now they're gonna learn it.
Yeah so WIndows 10 comes out and it's free if you have Windows 7 service pack one and newer.
You get a free upgrade.
I have that.
I had to, today I like set up the thing to like download tomorrow so.
I'll try it out.
I don't know if my computer will handle it Old.
I have an old, decrepid Methuselah computer that needs to be upgraded desperately.
I don't know if I'm going to upgrade.
I have so many games that I have, like, modded out, and if I hit that button.
Well, I'd imagine like Steam and
the Battle.net, they're all
Ready to go for that upgrade.
Girl, you don't know about fall out mods and how sensitive those little things are.
<< [CROSSTALK] Fair enough.
[CROSSTALK] I'm not gonna play that game, not till I beat it again.
Let's move on from the delightfulness of new releases to the delightfulness of your comments.
It's time for user feedback.
What's the deal?
I never really registered that [LAUGH] user feedback has a thumbs down on it.
It's like up or down?
Up or down?
Some people are like, I don't want to move to Mars.
Or I don't want to go to 452B
What about that guy yesterday that said this show is okay.
Like what is he saying?
It's pretty good?
He wrote back to us, he said thanks you guys are pretty good on Twitter.
I don't know if you saw that he, Max wrote over to us on Twitter and was like you guys are pretty Pretty good.
Thanks for saying and I wrote back and I'm like we think you're pretty good too.
I don't think he's pretty good.
He's pretty okay.
He's pretty okay.
We asked you guys to use the hashtag TVClaw and tell us what you'd use that little tiny claw from Vanderbilt with the little wrist on it What petty thing would you use it for?
You guys really came through on this so thank you for being as petty as us.
Kirk Rhoden said I'd probably clean my laptop fan...
hopefully then my laptop will stop cooking my leg.
I like there's all kinds of good visuals on that one.
Toasted leg syndrome, you've got to be careful about that.
Dustin wrote in, said, I would use it to finally learn how they get the caramel in the caramel bar.
Oh, very nice.
Like that caramel.
I think I use to watch that on How Did This Get Made or How It's Made.
That little show where they do like, here's how they make chocolate.
I like him, in a room, with that little cart
Claw and a bunch of candy bars.
Yeah, I like that, too.
I would use it to pinch the bottoms and figure out what the flavors were on an unmarked box of assorted chocolates.
That's a great use of that little claw.
Dragonlover wrote in and said I would use the claw to pick up insects and put them outside, that way no one would have to kill them.
It's a very delicate, kind thing to say.
Dragonlover, Dragonlover said that.
Also, insect lover.
Ricky wrote in and said take all the green m&ms out of the bottom of the m&m jar.
We know the freshest m&ms are at the bottom of the jar.
Did you say take all the green?
Apparently the green ones are the freshest.
Is it because the remind you of grass?
I'm gonna have to experiment on this.
All right, fair enough.
And then lastly, Matthew wrote in and said, I would like to see a Micro Claw that would be the arch nemesis to Micro Inspector Gadget.
And I have to add on to this because Matthew wrote back to me and then Fight Tiger wrote, I'll get you next time Miniature Gadget, which made me laugh.
I was hoping that somebody would write about Dr. Claw.
Cuz that was my, that was the lower third I picked for this year.
It was subtle so.
I like that.
That's cool, Dr. Claw.
Way to pick up one my cues there Matthew.
High fives to you.
But yeah that was your [UNKNOWN] claw feedback.
Somebody else said that I would, I would use it to like pick at, like take things out of my wifes meal.
Like steal food from her without getting my hand slapped.
And then [INAUDIBLE] wrote in and said that his kid is picky eating wise and doesn't like a lot of stuff in their food so he had to pick out the stuff they don't like.
Yeah, I get that
I think everybody [LAUGHS]
They're just trying to take things out of their food, I get it
Yeah, take all the stuff out of your food.
All right guys, time for our last [INAUDIBLE] feedback it's our phone-tographer of the day
This is from our delightful viewer William.
He took this with an Asus Padfone X. Asus?
How do you pronounce it?
You work at CNet, how do you pronounce it?
I have always heard it pronounced.
Internationally, I've heard ASUS and then here it's ASUS.
What has the CEO said?
That's a great question, I haven't been in person to [INAUDIBLE]
So here's your ASUS PADFONE
From William and it's this beautiful, what, I'm going to guess a rice field or something.
Says shot in Arlington, Tennessee, one evening while heading to pick up dinner.
No, not a rice field.
There's not much hype about my phone but I love it, and in my opinion the camera's impeccable.
Love the show, and also did Kale say "I'll be back" when he left for San Diego Comic-Con?
I think maybe he did.
Nice job, William.
I think maybe Kale has not quite
Turn in his resignation as a Terminator fan just yet.
That was a mistake, no, no, I can't, crap.
Can't ever, can't ever say any of those awesome phrases, ever again, if you're gonna turn in your resignation as a Terminator fan.
No, no, I gotta stop.
No more robots for me.
No more robots.
All right guys if you want to send me your phontography you can email it to firstname.lastname@example.org.
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And that's it for the show today guys.
We'll be back tomorrow with a brand new talk science fact, science fiction blowing up in your face.
Until then be good humans, we'll see you guys next time.