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Is Nioh more hard-core than Dark Souls?Jake Dekker and Erick Tay compare the brutal Nioh alpha demo with Dark Souls III. From stamina drops to punishing enemies, which is more hard-core?
[MUSIC] Hey guys, so the Nioh alpha has just come out on the Playstation Store and Tay and I have been playing a lot of it lately. And it's brought back some memories of Dark Souls III which is still pretty fresh in our minds. What did you think of it? I thought Nioh was a lot of fun, it's The very Dark Souls-y in a way because of the stamina and just how brutal it is in terms of making mistakes and trying to learn what your opponents are doing. But at the same time it was blending other fun things like Onimusha where you had Very weapon based skills that, you know, if you had an ax, that could play differently than if you had a katana, and those things are interesting to me. I mean, yes, there are multiple weapons in [UNKNOWN], but in [UNKNOWN], you actually level up your weapon skills. Yeah, like you can unlock new skills, like the one with the ax in particular, if you hold down triangle, you basically do like a sort of fetch in the Zelda spin move with it, but then you also did point out the stamina, which is. Huge in this game. Its stamina is definitely something you need to keep an eye on in this. Yeah. Stamina in this game is somewhat similar to Dark Souls. Where your actions take up some of your stamina. Running, et cetera takes up your stamina. But the big difference here, and the most punishing thing about it, is if you do run out of stamina, your guy just keels over. And he sits there and pants. And goes, God, I'm so tired. I just gotta take a break. In that moment, if you're stuck there and out of stamina, you are so open to attacks. And these attacks in this game hurt so bad, multiple times I've been two shotted, maybe three shotted, and a lot of times it's because you're out of stamina. You're stuck there. I don't know if this is a thing that they're gonna keep in the game, because it is in alpha. I hope that maybe they get rid of the keel over thing, cuz I think it's a little bit too much. And it sucks Sitting there, and standing there, and just being like I can't do anything. The stamina was definitely brutal, and there were plenty of times where I'd be fighting off enemies and if you ran out of stamina and there's still two left, you're as good as dead. Yeah, I will mention though that at least with the like lower stance attack, which is another thing they have in the game, there's multiple stances, there's like a high stance A mid stance and a low stance they each attack differently. With a low stance I was able to attack a couple times and then I was able to do the dodge or the dash back. It would kind of highlight in white and then I would get stamina back. I could not do that with the medium stance or the high stance. It seemed like a good way to get your stamina back. From what I found the high [UNKNOWN] is like the heavier one. Mm-hm. And one cool thing I found out is that when an enemy falls on the ground I'd switch to my high stance and I'd just crush them from above. Mm-hm. With an axe or whatever it was that I was using. What did you think of the world? How is that as compared to Dark Souls I guess? I'm into it. It's interesting because you have not only just humans and enemies that you're fighting against. But there's also like zombified like demon type enemies too. So there's kind of a little bit of both kind of dark souls too. You kind of have the humanoids and monsters. But yeah I totally like the environment. and the setting. I like this Oriental style they have going on, it's different than the Dark Souls that we are used to, and you know, the layout of the land, there's shortcuts, I don't know if you've gone around and found those, but there's like. I found one of them. Of them yeah. Yeah like you're kicking down ladders you're like this gets me to you know, the, the little shrine that you pray at which is essentially like a bonfire. So this brings us sort of to the biggest question I think a lot of people have. Would you say it's more hardcore than dark souls? And keep in mind that it is still in Alpha so a lot of these things that we might be judging or complaining about could very much change. I think that at least For my first play through it felt harder than Dark Souls only because it was more unforgiving in the sense that one, the stamina, if you ran out you would keel over and that would pretty much be a insta-kill if the guys were next to you unless they have Happen to run out of stamina, and two, because as I mentioned earlier, the damage output of the AI versus like how much life you had is pretty insane. Like just dying from two hits barely happens in Dark Souls barely happens outside of if you're fighting something pretty strong, right? Yeah, like a boss. Exactly, but some of these just normal guys with a katana, well maybe not the normal guys with a katana, but like those guys might be 3 hits, but still 3 hits right. In Dark Soul you can probably take 3 hits and still kind of live and then kind of fend off whoever he was and then try to get to the bonfire. I don't know, what do you think? Do you think it's harder than Dark Soul? I think I had a bit more trouble with it than you did, and yeah I think it's definitely harder than Dark Souls, but I pretty much echo the things that you were saying, like I think it's More so of the mechanics. Rather than like some of the enemies you're fighting. You know? Like how in Dark Souls a lot of the challenge comes from the bosses you're fighting. The moves the characters do. And this is just kind of feels like, you know, you take three hits and you die. One thing I did notice though is that I didn't feel as accomplished when I get through an area. As I did with Dark Souls. I don't think the difficulty curve is Where it should be, you know? Like, I'd have lots of trouble on something, then I'd die. then I'd do it again and I'd die, and I'd do it again and I'd die, then I'd finally get through it, and I'd feel good, but I didn't get that same rewarding feeling that I do in Dark Souls. Which is why I'm kind of hesitant to play the full game when it comes out, but yeah it is an alpha so it will most likely change. Yeah I definitely agree with you. I did beat the demo and I still never really got that resounding joy of yeah I just beat that boss. That was whooping me. Even though that boss kicked my ****, I didn't have my stand-up moment. In Dark Souls, I would get up and kind of fist pump. I didn't have that. That might be a problem, but we'll see. Thanks, Jake. Yeah, thank you. Neo right now is in alpha. You can download the demo on PSN. And stay tuned to Gamespot for more on Neo and Dark Souls. [MUSIC] [SOUND] [BLANK_AUDIO]