How the Samsung Galaxy Note got its pen in CNET UK podcast 412
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In this episode 412 for Friday, November 28, 2014.
Samsung Galaxy Note nearly came with a S-toothpick.
The Jurassic World trailer is here.
And BP is shopping for a mobile network.
But will will it smash out on [UNKNOWN] or reunite.
Knight with 02.
I'm Rich [INAUDIBLE] joining me on Hike It on the studio this week is Jason Jenkins.
Hello, it's just me.
It is, it is just you, good to have you back.
It's very nice to be here.
The microphones have changed.
They're all different [INAUDIBLE].
It's a, yeah, it's all, it's all particularly high tech.
You don't look [INAUDIBLE]
Well, we all know what would happen if we [INAUDIBLE] the same parts.
I would either win or lose.
Well, that's, that's true.
As always, we are filming the podcast so you can see all this and our videos on [INAUDIBLE] or youtube.com [INAUDIBLE] but for now let's start with the news
Well it looks like we're about to start another round of my favorite game.
Who owns what network?
All right, so BT is on the lookout for a mobile network, [CROSSTALK]
And has confirmed that it's in talks to buy O2.
There are also reports that BT has been approached by EE shareholders to buy that company.
The news comes a few days after the boss of one of the owners of.
That guy said that the current ownership situation isn't for the long term.
Although, he is French, so he probably said it with a French accent
[INAUDIBLE] So it looks like two of the big names are up for sale with BT a possible buyer.
What do we think of this?
Well, i mean, BC obviously wants to get back into the mobile game.
They they have everything else sewn up.
They've got broadband.
They've got landlines.
They've got TV.
So, if they get mobile as well, then they're a quad play player.
And then they have they have a whole convergence, convergent offering.
It's what they call it in the industry.>>Wow.
That was [LAUGH]
Pretty professional, right?
It contained all the necessary buzzwords.
You can make it appear, you know, what you were talking about.
So they kind of went around about what they kind of, their telecom strategy I guess.
And [INAUDIBLE] mobile network can do.
Well BT used to have a. For a mobile phone network.
And that back in the day BT Cellnet, which it sold to what became O2.
And Telefónica owns it at the moment, which is that massive Spanish company.
That's kind of indicating that it sort of had enough, I think.
Of, of of O2.
Which is sort of doing okay, but not not growing as much as it wants to.
So I don't know.
Maybe, I, I suppose the big danger here is that maybe we end up with.
Everything kind of concentrated in a very small number of owners, like it is in the US-
-and it means high prices ultimately for everyone.
The fewer owners, the less competition there is, the less incentive there is-
-to lower prices.
Otherwise I don't know how much we'll notice.
Yeah, I mean, it, it is quite competitive marketing, isn't it?
So we asked some of our readers and Mark Alexander says.
They say school is just port not by 5,000 or a possible ten on on [INAUDIBLE] that makes one of the most despised companies in the U-K, that [INAUDIBLE] two escapes.
So obviously King David Charles [INAUDIBLE] says, if [INAUDIBLE] moves back on the [INAUDIBLE], I'm moving out.
These are not [INAUDIBLE] says, please, don't buy [INAUDIBLE] will ruin the reputation of the company and will increase prices.
And Tony [INAUDIBLE] says, buy here and making it less crap, please.
So there you go.
It's not, not a. Not a, not a massive vote of confidence for me there [LAUGH]
But you know, they're all rubbish really, aren't they?
Just as bad as each other really, in many ways.
What else has been going on?
Well, CNET has done an exclusive interview in Korea with.
Tae Moon Roh, which I'm 99% sure is not how you say his name.
But anyway, he's the Samsung's vice president for product strategy and innovation.
And he's been talking about how the company came up with the Note.
The Galaxy Note.
The big one, the massive one with the stylus.
The very first Phablet.
He was saying that the prototype looked more like a journal, and it was wider.
Can you imagine a wider [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH]
So, actually that was one of the prototypes that he came up with.
And he remembers that there was a heated discussion regarding the first version, all about the pen.
So, should the pen be imbedded inside the device or should it be separate.
Originally they had a proper pen, like a normal pen-sized pen.
He held up to, [UNKNOWN] who's the one who in, who interviewed this, chap.
And they, obviously there's no way of putting that inside the phone, so they were thinking, what do we do with it?
And they had an idea of, magnets.
Magnetic was one idea.
Also another idea was to kind of attach the pen to the cover somehow and not in the device.
And then another idea was to go a completely opposite way and to have have a miniature style pen, so it's more like a toothpick-
than a stylus.
And they took about a year to figure how to make the whole thing work and they had to miniaturize some elements.
And the hardwin's start to make room for the pen that goes inside the Note, if you've ever used it.
Cuz there's a little hole where it goes inside.
And so they have to factor all that in.
So do people actually use a stylus is the question?
Will that work?
I mean, absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, this is kind of, it was a bit of a gamble, really, wasn't it?
Because we haven't seen.
And a tablet that small or a phone that big before.
But the pen is a bit different.
So we asked the public.
And someone said, T-J Bennett says, I have a note.
I never used the pen, except for a couple of things.
In all honesty though, I think I would definitely use it more if the pen was on the left side and not the right.
So after a year of working out the, the, they don't put it in the right place.
.> I wonder if they could turn it inside out?
So that's rubbish.
Howard Mansfield says, I use it at least once a day.
Of all your tech devices, how many of them do you use 100% of everything they do?
My TV has at least 20 apps on it that I never use.
Which is bad.
That didn't stop me from buying the TV.
Zoe Gonzales says, I use mine all the time.
And so does my daughter.
And, on a similar note, Alexander says, my aunt who's in her late 60s uses it to slowly send text messages.
Right, but that obviously, you know, has uses for, for lots of people, so that's good.
Well, it's a proper Swiss army knife product, isn't it?
It does sort of everything, and the, the point of it is they put every single feature you.
They think you've possibly won and I personally find that a nightmare, nightmarish, awful, overwhelming, horrible thing.
But it's got lots of fans and they've sold many, many of them so that's the thing isn't it?
Not everyone has the same views and everything.
Well what else has been going on?
You remember Jurassic Park 1.
Not, not so much, but yeah.
Well, number four is on its way next year and the trailer has just been released.
It's called Jurassic World, yeah.
And the plot is set 22 years after the events in the first film, with a concept of a fully functioning dinosaur theme park has been fully realize.
And the audio [UNKNOWN] and everyone's totally over it already.
Oh, yeah dinosaurs so what.
And then of course the screaming starts.
So what does everyone think of this trailer?
Well I mean I don't know.
I wasn't sure if I wasn't particular up for keeping with stuff and, and it's we have some reasons to talk about it.
0187 says I like the idea of an intelligent dinosaur.
Cause what the movie's about.
As they kind of, they they bred their own kind of made-up dinosaur instead of the, instead of the ones that actually existed.
he, he says, he.
But they're all made up.
Well, they're all made up.
All dinosaurs are kind-of made up.
They're made up of.
Here's, here's a thighbone.
We think it means.
It looks like this.
But it's quite a lot of imagination involved.
You have to.
Not, not to kind of belittle the science too much.
This is the thing.
If, if these [INAUDIBLE] on their hands, I mean, I don't know.
He so, [INAUDIBLE].
It just won't be the same without computer programming [INAUDIBLE] getting.
I hope he's back for round two.
So, you know, I hope you're getting to look forward to this [INAUDIBLE].
And N-Double-1 says they could have went in a completely different direction with this one, but they didn't.
I could be wrong, but it seems to be a rehash of one of the older films.
And I agree with N-Double-1 there.
The trailer doesn't really happen until 22 years later.
The trailer doesn't really seem to have anything that.
That, that could, sort of new compared to the first films, which were obviously gobsmacking and jaw dropping cuz they had, you know, pioneering CGI, but having said that the director Colin Trevorrow, I believe his name is, he directed Safety not Guaranteed.
Which is a good film.
Oh, I love that film.
And it's great, isn't it?
A great film, yeah.
Check that out on Netflix, if you haven't already.
If you haven't, yeah definitely.
It's a real treat.
Oh, I thought it looked pretty scary actually.
Yeah, I, but, then I'm probably easily scared.
And you know, if they're remaking the first three, what's wrong with that really?
It's just kind of the same again.
But I, I, I actually thought the special effects looked.
Relatively ropey now because you know, I don't know, eh, we'll see.
It's just the trailer.
Anyways, speaking of scary things which is some, a story about the post office which is a scary place for me anyway.
[LAUGH] That, that's right.
Yeah, well they the post office is now going to deal with Amazon so when you order your stuff from Amazon if you if it's too big to go through your letterbox.
Or you, you know, you can't be at home to collect it.
Or you need to send it to somebody else, somewhere else.
Maybe you need to maybe you're at work and you wanna go get it on your lunch break.
You can have it, have it sent to the post office, which is pretty useful.
Which means that there are 10,500 post office branches where you can have your Amazon order sent to.
And that's on top of all the other news agents and, and lockers at either in train stations and that kind of thing, shopping centers, and other Collect Plus stores.
So, the, you've got a lot more choices of places basically go and get your Amazon order.
Which is pretty handy.
Just in time for Christmas as well.
And they came out, the post office was saying the just before this was announced,
maybe a few weeks ago in their financials that they were suffering because Amazon had pulled so, a lot of their business.
And they'd basically start up their own courier company.
So if you order something from, if I order something from Amazon it would always get delivered by.
Which is literally just some guy in a car.
And if you have three, if you have three items arriving in one day, you get three different cars arriving.
I mean, it must be, they must be paying them next to nothing.
It's like, the least professional delivery operation I've ever seen.
Having said that, everything's.
Stirred up so what more do you want really?
That, that too.
And supposing they probably use that as bit of leverage I would imagine cause I don't think they'd want to do this for sometime.
Yeah, so, so.
So have you been [UNKNOWN] cause you just get a note through the door saying go and pick up your parcel.
So that's not from the post office is it?
Although we think about it as the same business, actually, they're different.
Different businesses, have been for many years.
Alto's further away usually [UNKNOWN].
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You could pick it up from the post office pretty good.
I mean you could always just go buy it from a shop.
Try and keep the high street [CROSSTALK] Heresy.
Oh, I'm just as bad as everyone.
You know, I wish I wasn't so addicted to Amazon but I,
I just buy everything from there cuz it's just so easy.
And it's not very expensive.
Hm, absolutely yeah.
So what's else gonna on?
Talking about villanous companies [LAUGH] ,. Ooh, that, that doesn't work at all.
But anyway, a German inventor has made a real live laser like the one, a real life laser watch, rather, like the one in James Bond.
Patrick Priebe, that's probably not how you say his name either, I've just got lots of [UNKNOWN] names that I can't say.
Anyway, this guy.
He runs a company called Laser Gadgets, which custom make all kinds of craziness.
This particular one is a digital watch.
That shoots a bright blue laser out the end.
Of your hand, when you push a button.
And there's a, a lovely YouTube video of it popping balloons cutting through plastic, and igniting matches.
It took him fifty hours to complete, cost him about $200.00 in parts and he warns that the beam is capable of burning through your skin.
Except that it's not exactly a toy.
Not a toy, now how are these for escaping from prison cells or other, other, other tight corners I mentioned?
[LAUGH] Possibly, yeah.
If you want him if you want money, you can ask him to make it for you.
He might do.
He might not.
What is he gonna use it for?
If he's gonna use it for espionage, then I think you're okay.
You're in the clear.
You have to.
He says you have to as always, by handing lasers, you have to wear protective eyewear.
[CROSSTALK] Just like.
Well, it's on the screen now actually.
I mean it is really, I mean you can just get a sense from the YouTube videos at how bright that laser is.
That is pretty powerful.
Yeah, he's fire, at the moment he's firing it at a a stick of, a line of four matches.
And he's just put on the, the, the, his glasses onto the camera so you can see what he sees.
And it's actually making, it's actually burning the warp behind the matches when he can't quite hit it properly.
It looks pretty powerful.
It's kind of cool.
That is cool.
I don't know, I mean, this is, this is sort of like the laser watch in Goldeneye, but call me back when some of the James Bond films have watches that have a mini printer, powerful magnet, little TV screen, a remote control for explosives, or a grappling hook.
They all sound like things that Samsung's making.
(Laughter) The Samsung Galaxy printer.
Yeah, so it's a Galaxy Grapple.
And it goes
It delivers your instructions for the day.
That's exactly what it sounds like, yeah, yeah.
I'd love to see that, definitely, Cool, all right then.
Well that's enough for the news, let's see what you, the, you guys been saying this week's Feedback.
Let's see what you guys been saying.
So, Phillip Thompson has our first question.
He says, Windows 10 is looking like it might be a really good OS.
What are your thoughts on it?
Do you think this might be one of the last big releases of Windows like some of the oth-,
other tech media seems to be thinking?
So, what do you think, Windows 10?
Well, they seem.
He seems pretty good.
Bringing back the start button in a way that I approve of.
There's supposed to be one there, which I just.
I can't get my head around Windows Eight.
And it seems like.
To be honest, it seems like classic Microsoft.
And the other good thing is that there is, it's one version of what.
Well, a potentially good thing.
It's one version for all the other platforms.
So the same for an iPhone, the same for a tablet, and the same for the computer.
Sounds like a good idea.
But I don't know if it's gonna work.
If it means, you know, you can get one app.
Happens when you work [UNKNOWN] Then potentially, yeah.
Although, like if Apple found out a problem, really?
No, that's true.
But, you know, anyway.
It sounds interesting.
But it does feel like classing Microsoft in that.
It is the perfect solution for like.
Two year ago problem.
So by the time it comes out, let's say it's brilliant.
And then it comes, it, it's coming out next year, I think.
I think, I think.
Anyway, I reckon it's a couple of years really, before most people would be able to really experience it.
At that stage, I don't know what the computing market's gonna look like.
This, as usually it's kind of very late to the game, and you know, like Windows Phone was pretty good when it first came out.
But you're like, hang on a minute.
We've already got iPhones, we got Android phones.
Do we need another one?
Again, it's that sort of thing.
So it's not that it's necessarily good or bad, it may just be quite late.
But then you know, on the flip side, lots of businesses haven't upgraded windows.
They've still got windows XP in many cases.
Windows 7. So maybe then there's a huge market there for you know, fairly cheap corporate machines that are crying out for another version of Windows in a couple years time.
Ok, fair enough.
Yep so Microsoft is [CROSSTALK] super tank without having to a. Catch up with things, but there you go.
Andy Tamata says, four questions, so bear with me, four questions, okay?
Question number one, do you think Sony has decided not to renew its eight-year, 180 million Pound sponsorship deal with FIFA, the football ruling body, because they really care about the corruption allegations against FIFA.
Well, because they really need to cut costs.
Good question, yeah.
It is a question.
Wouldn't we like to know the answer to that?
[LAUGH] I mean obviously were not [UNKNOWN] [CROSSTALK]
Yeah, I don't know.
There's no way for us to know.
I've never see anything.
I'm not receiving any evidence that they have, they've cut the sponsorship because of that reason.
Maybe it played into it.
But I mean, it's fairly safe to say they do need to cut costs.
Yeah, a lot.
So, I mean, maybe both these things have come together.
I mean, their, their latest finances are pretty bad, they again look how, how many quarters in a row they've had to report very disappointing numbers.
Strangely, smartphones is actually doing quite badly for them.
A few quarters ago, they were like, hooray, smartphones is going to save everything and now they're like.
We got it wrong.
We've made too many models of the ones that no one wants.
And they make a bit of a riot, that.
They're quite good, though.
This series, the X3?
They're kind of like Microsoft issue.
Nothing really wrong with it.
But people just buy other stuff, cuz it's too many other things that are really good.
And TVs and phones are kind of what they're, they're writing down a lot.
And they're building up Playstation division and the content division, I believe, as in TV and all of that.
That's when they're gonna really focus in on.
And I guess they just thought that this was just an expense they didn't need.
When they thought, you know, this was a bit controversial.
But well, that makes that decision quite easily to get rid off.
But of course, we don't know how long they've.
We're not part of that when they made that decision.
They may have just announced it.
But this could have been in the works for a year or more.
And that's really.
Speaking of the content division of making some Sony is the new Owner.
The new backer of the Steve Jobs movie.
So, yeah, that's directed by Danny Boyle, written by Aaron Sorkin, potentially starting Michael Fassbender as Steve Jobs, and they've just bought it from Universal.
Oh, and that was the one that did have all other kinds of people.
Who, who was attached to that before?
It was Christian Bale.
It's the other way around.
They've, they've, they've sold it to, they've sold it to, to.
[LAUGH] [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH]
But anyway, yeah.
What else do they do?
Breaking Bad and Spiderman.
Do you know what we need?
Is a film about how Spiderman became Spiderman.
I've always wondered about how Spiderman became Spiderman.
I've always wondered that.
How did Batman become batman?
What was it in his daily life that, that [LAUGH] convinced him to become Batman?
The great thing about Spiderman is because it's the one comic book pro, property that they own, Sony owns, is that they're making so many spinoffs of it.
And they're aren't that many characters in it.
They're making spinoffs of Spiderman's granddad.
It's, oh, it's terrible, but yeah.
Now, I would pay to see that.
That sounds betters than Jurassic World.
Only, probably not as scary.
So question two, is,-
Oh, we've already gotten to question two?
Question two: Do you think Google will eventually stop making Nexus devices once they've got a product in each size?
So, from, like, the Nexus 5. Five inches up to the seven, eight, nine [INAUDIBLE] size ones [INAUDIBLE] tablets.
Or will they remain in the marketplace showing other manufacturers how it should mostly be done?
It's, I mean, the thing is they kind of.
Why do they make the [INAUDIBLE]?
They do it to promote Android, I guess.
They want to have a device that has pure Android on it.
So when a new version comes out, like Lollipop, there's a device that has straight-up, pure Android on it.
I don't know.
I don't understand.
Understand why they bother now.
I know why they bothered originally.
Because they were pretty dissatisfied with what the people like Samsung and HTC, or whoever, they were pretty dissatisfied with all that stuff and what it was turning out like.
And they were also customizing android in a way that they weren't very happy with.
Plus they had some major phone to kinda test Android on internally.
And so many people that thought why don't release this phone.
That kind of made sense then, but now, I, I don't know.
They're not even that cheap now, because they don't want to annoy the, the people like Samsung, and HTC, you, you know, they undercut their own.
Do a making [UNKNOWN] devices, yeah.
Champion of their Android.
And yeah, they're making stuff.
I don't, I don't really understand it.
Who knows what they're thinking.
Actually, a lot of people had problems buying the new I can't remember which one it was.
The new Nexus Six probably?
They stopped issuing that.
You know, it's even like the process of going on Google Play.
And, you know, you'd add it to your.
Basket, and then you press Checkout, and it would be, like, oh, it's gone.
And then it would pop up again.
And they're, they're, they're not really a consumer sort of, they're not like a shop.
They're not very good at that stuff.
They don't need to be in order to be just like an amazing search engine.
So you know it, it seems like a weird one.
Like so many of those extra things they do.
Why are they going to space?
I don't know.
It's a bit of a hobby, really.
But, yeah, it's just a followup.
I suppose, yeah, when you're making that much money, why not, Farrell?
I suppose, I suppose, yeah.
Maybe they should make a printer.
This is leading into question 3. <<Ooh.
<<Recommendations for a while's printer for under a hundred pounds.
We don't have anything specific, but we can point you in the right direction.
If you search CNET for printer, actually, if you search for a printer then the top hit will be best printers.
Now that does have US prices, but it's a good place to start.
So there you go, that's, that's our recommendation.
And finally question four, who are your own personal favorite tech commentators?
Being a developer, I keep an eye on what Scott Hanselman is saying, and your good selves, obviously.
I mean that, yeah.
I didn't know there were any others, to be honest.
I thought there were, there was just you know, who else do you need?
Well, thank you very much for all the feedback.
Keep the feedback coming by emailing us at our email address, cnetukpodcast@cbsi .com or on Facebook and Twitter.
That's it for this week.
A bit of a quick one this week, but there you go.
Bosh, job done.
More haste, absolutely.
Well, thank you Jason, thank you to our producer Mark who you will never seen.
And we're off to watch Jurassic Park again.
See you next week.