It's been 16 years since the first Tony Hawk's Pro Skater came out.
They've finally gotten around to making a fifth one.
And he suddenly feels very old.
Where did it all go wrong?
We're still talking about video games.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5 is out today, by no means the fifth Tony Hawk's Pro Skater game.
We played a bunch for this morning.
It's come out, it's controversial.
Let's break it down.
Okay, Justin, you haven't played any.
What would be the first question you have about me and Andy who've played it a bunch this morning?
Well, I played it a little bit.
So why is this the game that's coming back after, I think people really gravitated towards Skate, to a very different style of control.
Tony Hawk feels like a throwback in a lot of ways, is this the kind of experience that guys wanted after how well received Skate was?
I'm a massive fan of Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, I'm a huge fan.
Of the skate series, I think skate series is probably top five best sports games of all time.
And probably in there with Hawk a little bit.
I think it's just a matter, that game was very much catering to the skateboarding crowd.
Like that was to people that like care about nailing a shove it over a three stair, as opposed to Tony Hawk which is kinda this, like skate Culture melange of like music and like popular s-skaters.
And interesting maps.
And sort of, you know, crazy modes and objectives.
So to me it's like, Oh I can [UNKNOWN] this thing.
This is the right time to bring it back.
Do some Guitar Hero.
[CROSSTALK] What I'm kinda surprised about is that this is a $60 game.
Because that game Tony Hawk 1 or 2 or 3, incredible games.
That game released nowadays isn't he type of experience that you.
because it's very repeatable, so it doesn't seem like th type of game you would spend $60 on that or would be charged that.
Especially in 2015 when you got games that are charged .97 cents all the way up to $50 and everything in between.
Or [INAUDIBLE] in between.
So that's the way in which I think this game feels a little bit weird.
Does this feel like $60 game so far on this?
No, and I know that the HD remake wasn't.
And it kinda feels that caliber, although it seems to work a little bit better like overall.
But I was actually thinking like When I was doing.
Well, okay, so, first point.
When I played [UNKNOWN] for the first time.
It was like a couple of weeks ago.
We were doing a little demo.
And I didn't have it.
I was like what happened.
And I kind of blamed the game.
It doesn't feel like [UNKNOWN]
Doesn't feel like [UNKNOWN].
And then Last week we were working on our big thing about Tony Hawk and we played a bunch.
And we played on PS3, the original game with the backwards compatibility and the same thing happened.
I was like oh this is 15 years later.
My brain has changed, my hands have changed.
I can't do this ****.
So I was okay, so it's not the game.
I just suck really bad.
So have you gotten used to it?
But now I've gotten back into it after play a lot from the original game and then this morning we were playing a lot.
I'm not nearly as good as you.
Because you had a lot of practice
With the old games and you were slaying those down and you're slaying this down.
and then it's like okay, I started picking this back up started feeling it and it feels It's like oh yes, this feels good.
And it works.
I think that they've done, is that now when you hit the grind button, it basically slams you down.
Yes, and we were maybe that's bad, but you can correct yourself off of
Vert ramps where you go off and it's like you're gonna land flat.
And then you like it kind of reorient you and slams you down.
Which is a nice little feature, but it definitely changes the flow.
So if you're like jumping, where as before you hit triangle to basically queue up a grind so you'd do a click, you'd do a jump and you're about to hit one.
You would hit triangle then by the time you hit it, it knew you hit triangle.
Where now if you do it, it basically almost like snowboarding style you like pressure down like Sort of like, it stomping back to the ground.
So that changes up the game a bit and then I've finded out this sort, let's break this down.
This is a game where you sort of, it's kind of more in the realm of Tony Hawk 3 where you've got as much time as you want in these areas and you basically go up to objective markers that are littered around the map.
And then there are things like, okay, here's the part where Tony's gonna shout moves at you and you have to do the tricks.
Or here's a bit where you have to do as many manuals as you can in two minutes, or get as many vert scores as you want.
In the first level here in the barracks, which is [UNKNOWN] real skate park down in LA.
You know, that's like okay.
These are tutorially types of objectives that they're trying to teach me.
Except that then I went to the next level and it was almost the same objectives, just in a different place.
There was one here when you're in the barracks Where it's like they fill the pool full of balls.
Big inflatable balls.
And you forget.
You feel like skating into them and getting rid of them and all that.
And it's all kinda fun, it's like a neat little diversion except that i went to school three which is like the new version of school two.
And there was a pool inside, and they're like [INAUDIBLE] the balls are now sport balls from school but you still have to get rid of them.
So now like i'm a little more worried that there's that much repetition [INAUDIBLE]
And I avoided the objective based stuff when I was playing.
That was just [UNKNOWN].
And I found that to be good.
And I was like, oh this toned down.
As far as like the, like you don't spin as fast.
Like I wasn't spinning sevens.
You kinda kick the ball and it kind of go [SOUND].
I was like, oh, you feel that.
Is it like some sort of hybrid?
[CROSSTALK] GO a little easier and really plan out your routes, and like yeah if you plan out your routes you'll be rewarded really well, but then I hit these in ramps in school that just like arbitrarily launch you and then I was spinning sevens no problem, and then when you hit the special you do a multiple.
It just basically turns all your tricks into specials.
[CROSSTALK] Which is kinda cool, but then those are like more fantastical.
Where it's like not skating anymore.
You do a kick flip and he does a Christ Air.
Because you're in special mode.
Is that fun?
I just wasn't sure where it was on the spectrum.
And now I'm like, yes, it's more Tony Hawk.
It's still Tony Hawk, it's just
You gotta find those spots that launch you in order to, I still haven't spun nine.
I don't know how to do that.
It does feel though, I was talking to Jeff Gerstmann from Giant Bomb right before we came on, and he was saying that they're getting reports, you know that big patch that arrived?
The first day one patch is as big as the game or whatever.
I mean seven gigs.
[UNKNOWN] has most of the game in it.
And it kind of does feel like a game that was finished about a week ago.
Because the UI stuff is super weird.
For instance if you go up to an objective marker you have to stop right beside it, knowing you can't get off the board.
And then hold down that
It's not like Burn Out where you could like go into [UNKNOWN] of it and then hold x an it'll start.
Just go right there and then when you do that, for some reason like, the menu swaps from the analog stick to the D pad, and you're like, okay.
Weird stuff like when you start objectives, sometimes I don't have a clue what I'm doing.
The first time, I kind of have to figure it out for myself.
Like, there's one where I have to light tiki lamps and it really didn't tell me anything about where they were, and then I was like, no you can't.
You're outside the objective area.
Go back here.
So it seems very Rough around the edges.
Well the thing that's getting the most attention right now is people having horrible glitches.
That's been what's getting shared around the news right now.
Yeah, it's weird.
Is that what you guys have been experiencing?
No I think we've seen one in the past two hours but we haven't been playing online and we also have not been doing the
Maybe not the new one.
And we've not been doing the-
So all the created levels, apparently, that's where that is.
Where people are going through the floor and all that sort of stuff.
But I haven't seen that happen in the three levels that we played.
It doesn't seem to be a total hot mess that the Internet is making it out to be, but also-
[LAUGH] No, not all.
Is it a $60
This is like, computers are doing it for us, this is like real life, middle of the road, I'm enjoying it because it's like a big nostalgia.
I am genuinely enjoying this and will genuinely and probably try and like one hundred percent this game.
Like I'm into it-
Oh man, I just like [UNKNOWN] I don't if I'll ever do this.
Missions man, I mean you have to unlock the levels though.
**** it I will if I ever have to do that with the same skater thing.
It's weird though because they have things like create a skater mode.
There's no like slot for you to create somebody, you just have to edit an existing skater which seems weird Weird.
It's just super light in terms of [CROSSTALK]
Andrew Reynolds, I mean Andrew Reynolds.
It's like, I don't really like Nyjah Huston.
I guess I'll just change.
I'm about the same height as him.
I'll just do that.
Yeah, it's weird.
It's like, I feel like I'm enjoying it mostly out of the fact that I'm a big Tony Hawk's Pro Skater fan.
And also, because I think I came in with this with such low expectations, that I am, kind of pleasantly surprised that it is that is kind of alright.>>So maybe not the best introduction though for people who don't have that nostalgia who didn't grow up with Tony Hawke>>No>>Who knows, I can't.
I don't even know who that it is>>Yeah>>Is that you?
No what, I grew up with Skate or Die.
Well okay yeah, hell yeah.
Does that make you feel a little bit younger?
No it just makes me feel older now, it's like older, older, older, older.
Cuz I played Skate or Die.
Yeah, so I'm very interested to see reviews for this game cause I can see it like sliding completely on opposite ends.
And it's kind of what we're talking about the car games earlier, so much of it goes down to what Andy was saying at the start.
Does this feel like
And I just feel like I'm in control of what's happening.
You can easily blame the game for being terrible.
I just went over to Dan Riker and he was like, this does not feel like a Tony Hawk game to me.
Yeah, but see he's remembering wrong I bet.
Because that happened to me.
Like when you go back and play Resident Evil you're like, Oh man, this is like, impossible to control and I totally forgot the [UNKNOWN].
Or, like the original, Tomb Raider
That game was ****.
Conversion you have in your head of how the original Tomb Raider played is like, totally different to the reality of it.
So I wonder The game looks very arcadey, and that's kinda what I remember as Tony Hawk being, and arcadey version of this kind of game.
And it feels like it's gonna live up to that.
I just worry that I really don't think it's a $60 game.
But is it gonna be better than Tony Hawk Ride, when you had that controller that was the skateboard.
[LAUGH] I can confirm, right now, that it is better than Tony Hawk Ride.
Shred was the last one, I think that snowboarding in it.
Should play that.
There's a snowboarding level in it, well there's a snow level.
But we'll see, I think we have to unlock some more, and unlock the mall and see how the rest of it plays.
But for early adopters it really does not feel like a $60 proposition, but I guess we'll find out what Gamespot.com thinks real soon, peter Banner is reviewing Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5.
And that review will be up sometime this week if you've got more playing to do because we didn't get an early copy as well, which is always a little bit of a concern.
But if you've played this or seen people play it or are a big fan of the series or looking to get into it, let us know what you think in the chat and in the comment box below.