Ep. 835: Where we're watching digital paint dry
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Ep. 835: Where we're watching digital paint dry

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-- -- have to do this every day. Are not -- adult content that they every funny. Now let's have a straight around going to be -- again update here it is great and just bring you. The skyway backed up -- don't want to get to -- and the -- screen. Everyone and we'll come to the full four. And what is it -- -- age you may get happy birthday to my little brother animals contained. I'm -- Kaminsky and I'm Justin yu and this is the show where we're watching digital paint to drive. Watch -- -- keynote on Monday was painful. Whether they really it was because -- -- -- one we'll we have pizza but it lasted forever is like the longest Apple keynote ever because they announced it. You know they announce its software Iowa last updates in -- I cloud is like after -- while. It's got to be two years it's like -- and -- and I'm done with this yes Steve tell me how much I had I have to pay her to get a yes I actually switch over to. Luck I -- still -- -- with a couple I -- a big issue for you -- yeah that would give. -- -- -- too much and I watched I pretty much went through the blog but a committee followed because a lot of the features that -- -- in showcasing the software you couldn't really appreciate yet in a block. So I found myself paying more attention to the Microsoft -- going off. Right -- more people would follow along with what Apple's announcing if they actually had a live official video stream. Of their keynote right everybody was scrambling to watch you don't use stream there was like Apple keynotes I think it was called. Yet as I was that you stringent local Apple -- -- -- broke guy in the audience with a camera and halfway through the keynote it's -- shut down. Well I'm I'm gonna have to apologize will -- first so first of all we a lot of tweets about this sorry we can do a show on Monday we weren't planning to do a show we on Tuesday yet because the Nintendo conference was going on the exact same time. But we -- planning on doing one on Monday and my dad. Pretty sick -- and there in the boys. Not exactly the clearest but yes I spent no most of the day laying in bed. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Yet which is what I'm pretty sure that -- plan Olympian. You're really sick and I plan on getting sick I was is -- so when polls show. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- since Jeff is not here -- is still in Los Angeles which by the way had to talk to Jeff I spoke to Mullen yesterday. In true Bakalar fashion he is -- is right. I I 65 degrees it's beautiful -- -- -- -- Hollywood talent put America back okay. What you think you possibly have vowed to despite -- right now is 75 degrees there Kirk England and 95. Freaking degrees yeah city I had to change when I got to work yes yes and no I'm no exaggeration a -- like it's a cesspool. How -- no poorest of humanity comes down landings. But it's -- that is there because right now we have Julie Kaminsky. Yeah I do yeah I'm loads up but I'll I'll do what I can do and -- can I I tend to like more things and Jeff yes that's a very positive and to -- to do. -- okay so there's a lot of big news. On Monday let's just run through things real quick I don't think anybody is really super excited about buying -- a -- -- sort of update for OS-X grand IOS five. I like some interesting things they're right for you guys -- usually. -- for -- the biggest thing is. Wireless syncing Wi-Fi syncing with iTunes the back -- To me should have been you know in the version why don't I don't apparently -- -- updates wireless updates status updates and another great features I -- -- Wilson. It's available now is the on the -- cloud for iTunes right I. I was downloading songs I forgot I bought an IQ what years ago might -- This -- in a -- some suggesting you'll hear is never bought music on iTunes and he has no idea what you're talking about what I. Edu and enrich this dvd to idea anyone -- digital download if I borrow which. Via a color I got all my -- That's a huge thing is -- -- right. -- -- you were saying about the you were downloading music they can never heard one that never heard but hadn't heard in a long time because you know. The I've I've had like -- -- of the iPod classic video I've had been I've have been nano currently -- for the gym when -- -- -- -- and -- and -- -- -- -- -- -- generation iPod -- -- So throughout the years of having those I bought songs occasionally on iTunes. You know that -- and ripped from my personal collection of red and I told you -- is going from generation's original copy all your musical is almost too. And I ordered to -- analog -- onboard decoding that are not on my iPad -- right. I'll give it back it back give it back. Walls and you and I have complained a lot in the past about how you know if you wanted to secure iPod with two computers you need to download external software to do that now with -- -- it'll immediately push all of the museum that you both downloaded off iTunes and the ones that you already have exit. To -- compared expect if you do the iTunes match it right the big question for everybody likes so we know Amazon released their thing that's five gigs for free. But if you buy an album get twenty gigs this year. But I think it's something like ten dollars per ten gigs forget exactly how much -- Google has launched their thing but it's in beta and nobody really knows how much that's gonna cost does iTunes matched. Interest any -- you guys. Yes yes it does it does because -- -- you have to update it and and while. We discussed this yesterday and I'm gonna thrown out there and also if you have a CD that you ripped in and it possibly one track at a scratch -- it. Well that recognize and give you that Amtrak -- let's -- that's a good question. I mean I don't know like I -- the service is yet to be rolled out. But it's 245 dollars a year. And pretty low limited up loads to -- is no caps or anything like there are with Amazon I don't need for plug IS dollars in cash for orders and it's a -- unlimited then although it might actually 20000 not exactly sure about that right. A I'm kind of -- yeah I'm also really excited because not only can you upload your music to the cloud it will also convert -- 256. K. AAC which is better quality. Arguably than probably a lot of -- just a little over a dollar a month yeah yeah that's a great -- that is really good to have that across all of your devices like in the keynote and he -- a demo of him downloading a song on his iPod. Immediately it. Appeared on -- -- especially for anyone who's already had mold me in the -- -- -- that that premium price this is like a business series discount mountain and it and bring so much more so -- already been evolve the mobile me. We know Scott uses this like Ravi and that this is not exaggeration K so I I only have DSL in my apartment. I tried the Google music. And it literally said. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Without exaggeration when there there poking fun at Google in the Apple keynote -- like it's gonna take hours not weeks. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- It's close it's -- acting -- X 16181000. Songs somewhere around there yeah but I don't think I have a massive music collection. It did though say sixteen -- -- -- screen which is more than two weeks and you know that. Privilege alone I would pay the 25 dollars that the big question is like does this change anything. If you're in the market for Smartphone if you're in a market. With IOS five -- does it make you more likely to wanna buy an Android phone book or -- iPhone. Like people have been saying that -- OS five it seems -- just be capturing. -- or copying a lot of the same features that have already been in enjoyed for a while. Nothing truly groundbreaking -- -- I don't calling can truly groundbreaking myself but does it sort of -- people over into the I I world. I mean it probably it probably brings people over there because it's just they're just bringing so much a table and -- -- unit faced the word free like I cloud free. A single voice your devices and a lot of people have Mac books a lot of people have like you know. IPod touches or iphones -- uses great new if you have one you're near you know like I -- -- -- my friend has an iPhone four. His fiancee has an iPhone four told -- gonna be taking any pictures of me. -- you know. Anything else Idaho and go to the clouded out her vote rather do that go to street running you have voted for thirty days -- -- -- yes -- -- you can drop it straight into their phone with that new job. What -- call again drop box or something like. Well I yeah there's the there's the iTunes back up like -- store right but the photo machines that thing that I think might actually be getting some couples in trouble. Who have these -- I cloud account yet supposed to sync your most recent photos across all your device. And we all know especially given the events that happened last week with that we can tell readers that my next week it could he admitted finally that it. The Twitter was not -- yeah I that is an okay. Not to get too political but I'm pissed about that like heat he could have said hey I've got this thing that I do on this side -- I did in our our way reduction weird -- that is very weird. I I heard that -- actual photos because all the photos that are released right now of what is -- again. That we negate -- -- and in the community and we all the photos released right now are pretty SFW -- it's like paxon. Let the guy who leaked the photos says that he has a couple more that are definitely. Of the -- read. And I hope he's not on I -- because those can get relief page. For the dollar but yeah south island and nobody else is -- other people to get a dial -- is -- messages. And that's Apple's answer to a Blackberry BBM -- now everybody with -- -- whether or not you have a Wi-Fi or three G iPad. You're gonna be able to -- message other wireless devices for free. That's great that's great I am I'm looking forward to because I've and I've had -- to -- from I've had the little -- -- who. Always seems a limits on go to voicemail and call you back button -- text you back two seconds -- -- do I know you're online -- dad and you're -- that. They get to people of the trouble though because with I messages you can see when people are typing a message -- you can also -- very humorous yes yes and also delivery receipts he could never be like. -- That's -- upload speed analogy is still -- easy to blame AT&T does -- get an iPad because I wouldn't you want to know that I wasn't -- live fire at him or her yeah if we don't know maybe it wasn't that we're crap that is an. The value into the environment is I had just fix this thing about. -- -- -- -- -- have the ability to turn off read receipts conflict that's your rate like -- alternate you get that text message -- o'clock in the afternoon I don't wanna go out. I'll just pretend that I didn't -- Here's. And I'll have a good friend he'd call me a dividend of thing is that. Love them like a brother everything he moves the moved to Virginia he calls me up. Everytime I see him calling the prevalent talked to I just know that's -- forty minutes of my time and there are always have that forty minutes so a cinema someone calling back later. And later but I can you forget later sometimes it -- -- -- the government old issue right amuse me just take it but I gave us that -- article you back. So I mean when you can -- when you didn't know someone's art but if I were made Nextel going to that'll. -- -- you -- Yeah. Mental speaking of reminders that things in really quick one of the things in the keynote that I was really impressed with. Is I'd GO reminders so and calendar reminders not to like call home or something after you leave the grocery store whatever. Once the iPhone leaves -- sense that don't GPS and then send you a notification a reminder to do whatever whatever you want. I think that was really cool that's gene yet know that was nice it's one of us is it's like a scary. Great little little -- hopefully yet you can't attract other people I know you're grocery store -- I do and actually go back a bit to the -- message think one thing I discover last night. I have an installed I was five on the iPhone but apparently people who have. If you eat it it's no different than regular messaging -- you can't tell that you're. SMS or I message but if you send a text message to someone else who has an -- device right. It will detect it. And then automatically switch your -- addresses over to I -- it's all done within the same SMS text that's yes you don't have to open up different so you don't have -- -- select unlimited text and genius which is really cool -- like I pay every month. About twenty dollars for the text messaging -- I had aim at this like it's just that feature alone. Might be worth it for media just get rid of my -- -- -- that's vexing question though is I've been wondering why actually TT any angle yelled -- AT&T allow this to how well the word is is that he didn't even know that they were announcing. So yeah I really don't get to the data behind is that this is this is Apple looking after -- trying to save a couple bucks at this point Apple -- nothing that -- can do where AT&T which is drop the iPhone -- network. Not now when it's on Verizon -- How would you rise and as I message AT&T does not right yeah and as soon as gonna proud -- world iPhone has gotten -- network -- This is the case a couple of years ago and not so much now about I remember a lot of a lot of people bought blackberries mostly for the Blackberry messenger -- -- yes so -- they can message their friends -- Manhattan not accept the patent text messaging -- -- and this is sort of like a backdoor way because like -- said. You know launching a separate app can do anything you just send a regular text message to say like I know just it has -- An iPhone and you'll automatically switch it over I message and you won't be using your -- -- -- it's really sort of we should note that this is only for AT&T users. People are wondering if the new Verizon iphones we're gonna be able sport I -- And that's not the case because apparently there behind in the you know what gamers and you know it's like still in four point two point six -- four point two point eight Otellini four point 3.3. Are yet to try the beta version of I cloud so until they push that update out -- -- be second water. Well let's move on to us some other news like the also on Monday and Tuesday we had -- -- started. And we it's a big announcement. Nothing dramatically. You know. Different from Microsoft except for -- believe they announced -- -- for -- -- -- sort of mutually so if you're really into that. That's great news -- works. But that's not an argument but -- -- -- -- different studio it's still not the same halo people have. But -- just that I have the radio signals no I do care I just haven't read much about it except for what we're talking about in the lab yesterday about. -- RI VEU too little -- nomenclature. I guess this is I don't I order a video games -- These -- going on. Yeah I don't know about that let's take a real quick break right now so we'll talk more about. CI's. -- IUI group due diligence and you need you if you bearable and my kids and in almost -- a couple of you you yeah you may you -- -- -- -- does -- Do -- do. -- and -- And now this does when you decided I think it's a world re mix aren't you guys. -- here in the fourth quarter no voice mails the court today actually we got a bunch of -- questions but I certainly save those for tomorrow. Because it's just like a ton of use just to get through today keys going back to you. Three and WW DC thank you can be used to reduce the dwell on that because. Going back to really quickly to that. How how do you guys feel about the -- and updates only being download I mean I. I need adjustment goes up a clean install of -- would be some beautiful thing via what do you what -- -- -- I mean you can just updated directly from your computer because maybe I just wanna. To a -- first period of all that old stuff in there may be a couple things and colorful as an effort out there yeah it's a nice clean the lion roar you know important -- line here mural. Those well -- that that that I guess the music you're talking about is that the fact that line is only gonna be available via the Mac App Store rent right now like you have to have snow leopard even to have the Mac capsule and and and a lot of people myself included. Have computers there are only leopard right so you have to actually go upgrade to snow leopard before you can upgrade to -- and and I I don't think that's gonna be the case forever I think that Apple's gonna come out with like a dvd or -- disk or something religious academic DK about. But 29 dollars -- work -- much to say -- that's definitely the cheapest oh let's upgrade inexorably down -- Alia for all everything you get. It's about the same price I believe snow leopard was 29 dollars is well -- You -- -- almost a slow of the way Apple just gradually you know -- -- they heard -- -- people -- these. -- -- -- Towards a different direction because. With all the new features instilled -- from one of the things that stood out to -- is now -- a lot more people buying the actual touch -- drag the IMAX ready to simulate out of touch just that you can do. We attract parents -- basically Apple's -- the category of touch screen without you actually touching the screen. Yet -- one of the big things they announce at the new Mac OS update is that. The scroll bars will disappear and reappear only when you're using them and then -- also have full screen access for some the applications and it also lets from the pincer motions and I bring up like the the all the programs and so -- -- what you're saying yesterday is totally true Apple is the king of incremental upgrades would they just guide you through new technology moon tonight you'll have to have that ten year -- that you don't like with HDTVs to people ten years before they bring that technology and people are comfortable with touch now because it's an incremental -- that up. Legitimate everybody's gonna train with somebody they knew there was not. Tech savvy -- and they're not gonna notice -- I thought yeah look at it does this it's not you it's the phone to like Flickr either collect the federal white look at this read this -- you didn't do that the phone to the I just visited. And people you know people complain about the mad amounts -- thought that the magic track pad was really done too but now when you see all the new releases in the software it make sense dynamic. So they've been prepping a -- tigris and now I I'm I'm gonna you know get lying whenever it comes out and -- hopefully -- it comes -- on disk. That's actually move on back to -- So with Microsoft nothing to -- get a lot of Kinect related sort of announced it's been nothing huge. From -- though we finally got a name for the next generation portable witness called vita. You should be a bit jittery to recordable -- I I honestly would have preferred calling the NGP yeah then -- -- work that you're human body just -- -- -- using like a bunch of guys sitting around lake. And don't really do today I don't know we go to the game got a -- there's -- -- -- -- -- -- -- next generally yards as you can and I. The other -- -- health food or some kind of new genes -- ever debut. Well I wanted and. -- should have done PSP two they -- had done it PSP actually had just called it. The PSP not even changed the name I -- I guess other -- they've got like a worse receiving in the name was when they announced that three -- -- to be AT&T. Got that whose other. And let -- We are these the fast as you check in Canada he set himself public that the fastest network right you set yourself over that -- well everything elegant to see the big red and Verizon -- something you know our. And brother are actually order -- T-Mobile -- T-Mobile yeah yeah -- -- a name aside. The -- it will cost 250 dollars for the Wi-Fi version 300 dollars for the three G version. That's a great great price MIM mean I am I wrong about yet or is it like. 250. Or is -- for music playback for video game clever play back fairly I think that the iPod actually has a genuine competitor. If like you know Apple sort of a PT iPod line every year around September. I don't think if they if they don't substantially lower the price to like -- 150 dollars or -- like. Buttons and other gaming features onto the iPod drag I think that it makes more sense to get EP ST or a -- -- -- -- Yes debuted its AP SP two. -- -- problems only started a couple hundred went and -- -- to go on it's it's the -- -- -- doesn't matter -- and ask you about Wilson is that you own an iPad are now. And yesterday's Steve Jobs announced that you'll be able to near your iPod exactly on a TV. That's really cool is I'm gonna make a big difference with at home gaming does that mean that your iPad just turned into a console or high is they're hiding. I think it does sort of like open up the possibilities right that's a good a sort of segue into Nintendo's announcement yes their -- -- called also terribly do we you. Know. But it -- its claim to fame is that it's controller looks like an iPad had six at -- video game. And does and it -- -- look at it looks exactly like the bastard -- -- I -- the united not even a real video -- like a mad -- back. -- I was pleased to see you guys are unhappy with the hardware design them I haven't picked it up -- -- isn't all I know is that when I'm looking at the -- It it looks like a white iPad -- it got down with a video intelligently and it does the -- it definitely does yet. -- but -- you know aside from the name. Everybody -- not much else is known about the the hardware and other than the fact that like -- was -- HD grabbed 1680 key -- That's in the experience now let's get their densities -- -- network so. I I I can't wait to see more and I chose a little disappointed SS on engadget this morning -- that the video game demos and they did show off. Apparently some that footage is from the PlayStation 3 versions of games. Not some of those game demos are not actually running. On the Wii you hardware move yet so anyway there -- -- shirt conflict. Some stuff like it was like that that bird demo that the show it's easy -- is like flying around that that was apparently running an actual we EU hardware. A lot of the other games are apparently running just on -- Dallas the PlayStation 3 version. I don't know aside I hadn't picked up the controller. Apparently it like is revolutionary but when I was watching like the video demos. The biggest thing that I noticed was how different the experience well -- from the -- Can you remember like the Wii video -- people just gonna drag wrestling and around I think a lot of stuff and this one looks like someone is just like -- is holding their computer. Right in front of their looking at the screen like this and how much is that when you drop that thing comes is gonna cost you if you drop. That's a really good question that. -- leaders that playing video games you -- right. -- gonna be doing all this. -- -- -- -- It looks -- good point -- is -- with the introduction of Wii everybody was getting active in their living room -- kind of like a sporting event almost a with a video game combined. And now they're kind of taking a step back is that because people are starting to. He didn't taste -- motion controller what is it. I I think that they -- messed up in the dating do the same thing that Microsoft did which is like connecting you -- -- a couple of games. But it was from a -- -- kept down leaning left or right petting animals. Of this next generation. Kinect games look pretty freaking cool yeah like you're actually like hitting people with your hands -- your blocking you're throwing things and. I that was really really cool I think I think I definitely graphic out of that from the move the Wii controls everything. I think Microsoft came off for the connect I think that's definitely the best out of three -- what's. What's easier than just doing the natural motion and what -- is or for someone -- -- not a gamer. There is a DX -- -- that just move -- you run in place to run you jump to jump by. You hold your hands up like this the block and then you drove a you know points make -- -- -- -- I like has had that that's what I was really super interested in like when I saw the video game demos. Excellent actually getting up and moving in and and -- -- 19 like that connect would be able tract -- But with the -- you. Here again not -- -- to an -- get excuse me. -- here straight from the the showroom floor when Jeff gets back but some of the stuff they were demo and -- -- -- if someone comes in the room and -- -- watch TV you can go and play the game on your controller. -- -- -- -- -- How is that in different sampling -- your iPad in fact that the screen bigger and it's like cooler. You know it and it is that it's -- missile made the three yes the controller yeah yeah that's that's attributed to make -- nicer treaty estimate that the rituals of you can play in 3-D Reno playing into your new TV you know make that next step up -- the bit right without another hand held -- this operation -- TV. But it's not just a gaming console anymore are at their trying to integrate more social networking aspects to it like you can video conference so on the Wii controller that's comical to -- guys excited when I mean you could always do that on the Xbox the PS3. You get the camera -- -- -- -- -- -- media -- enduring game with the Xbox and the district and always having games chat and I mean the Xbox pretty much as the best -- because ready to be playing the game and a bunch of other people. But talking to your boy playing an entirely different game -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- gonna be yeah I don't want. Actually look at the people that I'm playing games with bright idea. That sound like -- -- reader Weiner a show is greener. -- -- This is that if they -- -- -- is we negate did not let up. And agony -- -- you -- -- you that we years to come back in a cell phone when it comes -- Right now they they did not announce a date or a price has believe okay. But the it's eskimo and 2012. Which is some you know mythical moment your time yet. I'm not really that -- stated although the articles -- -- has said it's like quote unquote redefine gaming -- back to your point earlier. -- -- I don't see out of the realm of possibility this fall for Apple to update the Apple TV so that if you have an iPod Touch or any iPad. That it becomes like a gaming console like all they really need to do is -- a cup a bit more storage on there -- -- and I've been playing some I thinking that granted they're not as great looking his PlayStation 3. But 49 and 99 dollars. And need delta like me you're the the experience on it each DTV. I think there's a lot of really cool things that can happen right and I think -- Sort of ends all the advantage that the -- you might have yet and I you know this is my my prediction. I would not be surprised if the next iPod Touch. As buttons on. I don't know about that frequently. But from anywhere about the economic again let me see with this -- -- -- -- -- -- logging and Ackerman. -- -- really quick so I didn't watch the PlayStation keynote because I care little about video games but. What askew look into questions how much is the -- gonna cost when it comes out and number two did Sony addressed all of the security issues they've been having over the past couple weeks today apologized and. Okay they they spent like half the keynote Apollo you'll the first big part apologizing here that you can actual -- from the crowded and you know as funny was -- Sony apologizes and -- -- -- news that come -- it's literally like another Sony website gets hacked as. I -- I. Gross out that there is good too isn't -- headlined you be just stop using insert. From Sony -- your information -- Utilities have done is done the -- method and given everybody in the audience a car. -- way around that I've made out all the only yeah. I. -- make the I've got a competitor. So you -- when I got up online visit -- -- -- right now as it stands you can watch other people playing online games however you know it's only a matter of time before -- actually be able to play. On live and not what you do that with a Bluetooth controller it's around -- everything from -- from -- in all the you know. All that also for people who haven't heard of via online -- what is on live. Long live is basically it's a good to gaming center where they where the the games are. Played from the servers that so all the other graphic GPU all the processing is done on their -- You play the game when -- and have like a little boxy -- to GB or could download the windows app complete with a new computer in -- windows machine right and you can actually have a netbook. For the controller you can you can be getting down to -- -- -- asylum and I mean it's pretty much clout of video game computing because it is that what didn't exactly. And and you you know you can watch him play right now the app for the iPad. Only allows you to watch other people playing games let you know its -- is this is a stepping -- to something greater. What you play over here and yet that the -- that the extraordinary competitors especially since the iPad has Bluetooth so you can easily look up. A Bluetooth controller and so you eliminate the all touch screen. Also -- point offer video this video viewers right now that Joey is using the new Chrome laptops. Tax as a -- that's pretty cool tell us about that really equipped for relief. This is -- CR 48 we actually have an official release Chrome out of its owner NBA's second. Sort of bring -- to now be able to talk about content bomb. I like it in terms of like its instant on and I have my bookmarks -- I log out. There's nothing to mark Burton is a personal information mine so on the system other than the log in picture a grave com. And as one USB. 2.0. And a headphone Jack as the slot. And and pretty much easier camp a few years Apple saying your Google fans as soon as well as -- software it didn't have to choose which side you -- -- is the thing that's a reason why I got an iPad because clarity have an Android phone -- -- -- getting. Load of people through yeah -- -- go to pick up -- other. Another phone usually split recognized -- I get it'll get a guy you're -- I get annual upgrades Ranariddh I've I've had this same. Accounts are -- was reflect thirteen years is going to get annual agrees. The biggest rivers that are you going to that 3-D give it. No actually -- of the dual core processor. And also the new -- and have a physical camera -- Oh yeah okay but I'm with -- little -- academic you know. But now islets pilots -- take a picture using the shutter button as the volume threat or the volume as -- shutter but -- that was it I mean finally. Yeah I have this big thing I don't have any more -- branded as the smallest Iowa's current -- I think that's gonna do it for -- -- Wilson daddy -- -- that's the difference today Green again fail. You're Scott be turning the sky -- aside I -- Google gets. Well that's scheduled for us today call us at 18644. CNET. Send us an email -- for -- follow us on Twitter. Let us know what you think of RE three and are -- DC observations. I'm -- day I'm just -- Kaminsky and I'm Justin yu and this is the full four thanks for listening we'll be back for the rest lead. Yeah Q can -- be just a new next -- -- -- was much closer than expected but I and our readers and now it's. Actually doing business. They're content.

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