Ep. 2: New laptops and desktops, plus an iPad arcade stick shootout

I have passed relatively. That there are what time is it really -- any idea. -- can't tell if any answer right yeah we were we we were delayed by AS special emergency edition of the phone show -- -- -- and here we are with the CNET -- guess formerly known as the digital city really same shows seem fun and wacky. Insightful people. And we have a lot of hands on stuff for today. Joseph what do we get it what are we gonna be ads on people about today or for the remaining seven minutes spent over -- so much they are -- to -- a little bit over Atlanta. Now we're gonna be discussing a couple. Atari arcade sticks. A new Samsung only thing and that's what it -- -- -- and we usually have something in -- diseases and -- screamer in the desert you're gonna show at the school Samsung on when that we got that has a very iPad like touch screen interface. It is scrutinize -- and that's really within the information out looking for Republicans. Oh excellent. If -- watching -- watching us watching us on the universe is gonna collapse into itself. Julie hunt exciting new laptop retesting right now. Right now on the land we have the HP pavilion DM one -- updates. He beats you -- -- -- and as on each -- are not coming. And that's like one of that -- with the original is a one of the most popular laptops -- for a yes that's typical. That -- actually am using the VMware and then when you of the original if there that the original very little -- take a look at that the second and then -- with an exciting hands on -- -- I have the one of two are -- solutions for the iPad for -- -- Clayton to want a controller for the iPad it kind of like Fred Willard -- with some like elaborate like order by mail -- but we've got -- but I'm. We've got the giant I came here which is -- arcade cabinet for the iPad. Bluetooth powered and we have the much more diminutive Atari arcade which is a thirty pin -- which one works better this was sixty dollars the other one is 99. We're gonna -- into the test. Excellent and I have it's its semi exciting yelled the new Kindle to talk about last week we can define the Kindle -- played a revival of those but I do have. -- -- -- Kindle 79 dollar one that has no touch screen and now has new keyboard. But it is actually one of the brand new candles and in and the only one you can get right now. So I say we kick things off hands on style with a -- peek at that distance and all in one desktop. It's got a touch screen it's actually probably as snazzy design. Then the employee owned hands -- and -- iMac goes going next but more interestingly. Samsung has its own sort of IOS style. Touch interface to their acting and roll out. Along all kinds of different laptops and desktops not just touch ones -- those pretty cool and the design is pretty cool so that is worth taken a look at. Anywhere has a book bigger you see it it's like it's got a really nice design with the optical drive on the right it's the one in front of you see is a core I five. The only gonna be two models on the date of launched the -- sticking out there and yes. On the new two models and a day of launch which is October 10 there's gonna be a core I three version for 999 and the core I five version which when you see here. 411 and I'm like -- -- it's a 23 inch touch screen. It's really nice. Got the -- -- in my -- -- on the back. I believe we do have some footage of it actually in my hand spinning around -- You move let's get over it after a moment to store them diagrams illustrate what the -- that it will throw -- it -- on the the FaceBook page -- got concerned about later on. But it's it's a really nice all in one and and -- -- I'm currently benchmarking -- I can give you like my full and no multi touch. Blessed are known to you knows -- it doesn't the problem with a lot of -- devices it's built and there's a lot of people approached him with an Iowa's -- you can't always tell instinct and liked it doesn't always in Iraq the same way Apple. Has -- products are -- to scroll wheel. Or traditional mouse up is up down is that we're going to Apple -- -- that natural feel. So I mean Apple has its way I'm getting a lot of flak from when I Yankee had to himself flat I don't I had from New York -- and my subsurface ice feel -- it -- -- reasonably -- -- them secure probably get a sick game of fruit ninja if they make if and when -- And tan and yet you get here at -- -- decision -- fruit ninja action it's probably great for Angry Birds you -- that everybody watching get angry. Like your strategy games board games. To -- -- I used here also show you a little bit of the touch interface which. You were talking about is also doing we've talked about on every -- to Carlisle to -- an app like feel like you get on our testing it it's not moving. The directive. And -- as I am tired to get there and there was a little bit of lag out I'll admit my my fingered a kind of like a passive stylus type -- work. The little dot appears to show on time machine and just tapping on it nothing Valerie it's the -- sluggishness and it didn't you know swipes scroll as you think you well I -- -- light into the next a bunch of apps but yet in -- that. Now today that was clothes and -- -- -- do some work left to do and if I look at high hopes you're gonna load time for clock. Now he's okay and now it's time for I think that make the -- -- you know I like the idea of this -- I think people get spoiled with touch on an iPad. Or an Android it's not seeing people would get spoiled by things that actually work I know. And then expect other things to work as well as smoothly this -- are outside we will -- -- did you guys get a -- I'd say at where some -- lately is that I had a bath to have Angry -- and afterwards I -- you're not for -- are accompanied him to obtain video actually -- don't exactly that's exactly Roosevelt -- like those who have nothing like it did not only if presentation of this right on time and time -- -- -- to work and Steve Jobs -- the -- -- -- can get online local and sometimes it. That I know. Yet but I Sony's committed bringing the -- -- that you view it. Welcome that is -- idyllic answers -- I usually got another laptop's got it -- -- -- -- cable alternative beefy the HP DM one is the update is sequel to one of our most. Popular laptops of 2000. Eleven event is a relief that -- -- eleven do you think -- -- -- content. I couldn't bring it into -- actually testing right this very second but instead I shot a little super quick video that would show you Julie wouldn't -- -- -- -- -- -- -- But -- -- that they -- back aging in and that mr. You guys is everything on one I've had the -- -- in the -- this bad boy of cable stuff loses. Nightmares -- -- -- -- -- -- much I don't really production has gone up when I -- Dracula -- or four or multiple cable numbers and I've rented. -- -- -- -- We've got how -- -- -- this particular activity and let it I literally just unplug and re plug and exited videos -- -- back in. And press play that's the scientific method for and claim it -- and also if you wonder if you'll sort of viewer podcast and I've had live and check. -- don't use safari used I swifter. International data that isn't what of the -- I guess I views are -- allowing readers react and how ridiculous playback of video is using that HDMI dongle on the -- findings are certainly right now and I'm able to chat with the chat room and watch the video market. Whereas safari constantly. Insisting that it I'm actually this is a very interesting I'm -- learning how has dealing side benefit. And -- I was gonna export all the stuff to a computer next time of this -- -- The funny thing about the DM one it -- mentioned this today the original line with it in DE 350 processor. We've seen laptops that have larger ones that have that processor and and I -- reviewed one. On CNET and it's great and eleven and it's not so great when it's in a fourteen inch. But they are doing inside there's one that's for for 99. A Toshiba satellite L some 45. And you know you're paying just about the same amount a little bit more actually than you pay for that -- eleven incher. And the performance is worse on the test the -- running Juliet it's. It's much worse on battery life and ancestor more sluggish all around all -- are actually and and and most people don't know because those indie labels are a little confusing it -- And may say A or. Now the eighth for a six ones there's a side note for laptop shopping a 46 -- you'll see in stores now for the holidays those are better processors. But the funny thing is a lot of them -- on the same price range really confusing. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- That analyzed -- east is it raising academic ice is now asked is which is faster. It's -- because Toshiba will have configurations of s.'s satellite now that are the same price of that a process and forcing -- doesn't make. I mean now it -- if you're going above thirteen inches and you want a full core theories in EP. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- inches and it's gonna use something along the lines of infusion. There's very -- CE UMR -- for fifteen frames per session which is I mean that's worse then being integrated Intel graphics and the whole battle here and -- it does not worth it. And John had any well -- and I I agree this does not work even in the -- of its area and such a rate of our time used to be so spoiled I'm gonna. Hold up I think I think I think it'll work so that article and it only works in my iPad because I have the high end and you -- of the low end ones that'll let you ask the under the lol and iPad have the Mac -- -- it does. A -- -- -- -- -- -- -- slider design -- I'm going to -- like design upgrade from the -- -- -- in the fall and what types of man as easily split like in the media players at a surplus business. That's the only that it makes human -- -- -- imovie identity imovie this weekend on the iPad which is pretty limited stale but I sort of intuitive the encoding record. Yes that's true -- if it beats audio on -- as we got going on right there. And that is traditionally very quickly the does that work on his eleventh is it -- phenomenon I have an edge at that we and we just got and we just started testing its and I had yet to an idea that they had it and listening. -- -- -- Home matte surface and -- -- need to put this because they include tests we need to like pull out a laptop from HP before they had to be -- and -- Now -- now -- negative for the is due to the test with. If you slap it is logo -- -- Throw in that they're -- that around and everywhere it's yours it's just like it it it it takes you back delete all wall Wendy's and have a bass boost -- and -- Stevens and -- I -- -- even the Panasonic headphones back and they would remember the CD when -- right with the 22 buffer of the fifties and a buffer that wouldn't skip. It -- like the bass boom on the back. And if it vibrate it I. -- -- on your regular document more current and it's not all that different from that yeah it does is -- object. I remember when I've reviewed beats one laptop in mid range one is testing next to a thinkpad listening with regular headphones and and it definitely sounded. Better but the question is -- you get you know -- hampered you know certain software that can -- it. To the same degree. Just out of the box experience it did sound better with with the beats laptop and then that thinkpad although that thinkpad. Is my work thinkpad. Yet probably -- value to -- -- it has again. In data and I got an unfair fight we're. Here's a question we have headphones plugged in your laptop do you listen to music more or you watching a movie. So would you rather beats audio lecture based Woodrow like Lucas -- checks for -- its own. Movies because they tend to listen to music iMac owner or some -- -- -- -- you -- really need all that boom boom from around you you probably wants and no applicable to -- on the like a bush being stepped on Nixon's Tokyo listen to music on their computers at me thank you or I guess they do when they want other play checkers and it was a little earlier it's not -- speaking interview that when you have headphones plugged. Using we have headphones -- -- -- -- on a flight or something and or training is the one anybody here in -- most likely watching movies. As if you're sitting somewhere you know the listen to music and doing work. Work. And -- cut -- work I don't know when you leave here. I don't know when I leave here now I am very that work ethic and you know Ackerman doesn't work on audio tracks when He should either. China and now when I write in winner in my life to Apple's enemies -- -- -- I've tried a couple of that the Internet thing get -- and of having absolutely zero lag but is the processor and upgrade over the the previous DM one. I guess I just -- -- it's an amenity for fiftieth yeah I think it's acting as well and one point five it looked like almost like it Adams style -- greatly going to be asked and Adam for for the -- series. You out. I mean it is still has violence -- like -- do it right you would expect from you know and YouTube -- A little -- Blake I mean it but it doesn't it doesn't -- show. Testing -- in numbers music. But you know you actually working and it's not as. It's pretty -- pretty quick between you know from government finances and acts and and and it's. If there's a -- of it's just been hospitalized and of course and He big numbers which means that performing badly or -- In -- -- it is pretty. Go to do me -- favor or to try plugging unplugging the hits you like cable bundle of Boston Catholic and you and it doesn't work I'm just -- about -- some very fun to Syria and -- -- I got another thing you pain now you're seeing here this is Scott -- said he'd on the IE Cade. On the Atari classics. The just plugging in of the need to like him on that network that -- got -- -- -- on the -- Katie testing it out. And -- by deft editing there and and and in -- camera work and here. I'm playing for the and I'm not as good as Scott I'm gonna show you actually which you want to -- closely at different and art techniques and elegance -- get Scot -- and rinse for your case in the image where you didn't. Yes that's that's the ribbon for that stuff not that tough but here's the Atari thing I only know the things -- the -- Atari arcade powered by what you want Scott index finger his second finger is on top of the index finger. Pushing it down he's got his finger to almost Roth and that enables him to get amazing off fire -- -- -- mastectomy and -- that's per day press access you're already using this and -- I just have my finger doing but but -- -- -- picking his nose. Many charter arcade is really compact as you notice but it looks like selling you buy game stopped kind of like one of those like. You know budget joy sticks -- as the the eye candy and in my as cool but arcade -- but the difference is that. The Atari arcade is a thirty pin connector -- that puts it locks it in the portrait mode. Whereas the the IK -- Bluetooth name and it sits in this little plastic holder. Just -- does but you can also put it horizontally into landscape mode. So that's an advantage there but we did notice is. Look -- hands on looks cooler I would ask these two guys are -- -- solid play said peed on the I Kate. Yes and -- -- played on the Atari arcade against the Atari arcade -- -- from watching our gaming performance there on video which machine do you think. Was better for us play the arcade. Now. And it's interesting -- -- -- And it's patently He had a better grip on how to handle on again. The act and that's -- that's limited and a flat. Yet in movement and well it's it's a direct connection this is my theory it's a direct connection. As opposed to Bluetooth so that might be some Bluetooth -- -- -- discussed and I both did better. With the -- be looking plastic guitar decade. -- -- the IKI like them palatable electable and -- -- yet but they couldn't -- the -- space and land and -- because the Bluetooth rather than -- thirty -- connection to really. I do expect on the -- -- are better made. This joystick is -- feeling and the buttons have a cheaper plastic feel that don't have -- near near the same quality this is like an arcade -- but you're right there's a I thought it ever so slight lag which if you're gunning for a high score. Think that aliens and all that I think there's a problem Apple's Bluetooth on their device -- -- -- on I use the iPad that play with these are probably reaching an altitude of others like I play it I've played through some parrot Bluetooth speakers and have them and in the lab. And it goes in mountain Julie can vouch for this initial sync or phone my phone had image you know is this -- -- -- exactly what is -- didn't go in and out so that there might be like a little. Update required -- -- -- That. There are others slight advantages disadvantages to both -- Turkey has no batteries no batteries needed for this by. -- -- -- of course does on the other hand yank it works with they both are meant to work with the Atari greatest -- app and App Store which is okay. As a number of games on -- dollar -- but. Yeah I can also has it. It's open for development for other small indie games there may be a dozen other. Other mono is that I've even seen any and there aren't -- -- -- -- but once you're -- hate buttons man -- binds. Silver fish he's gained by or heard of like super elegant as -- mega death warmer -- -- -- Funky arcade retro games not pac man not space invaders that that type of stuff. The biggest disconnected both -- and -- that point that is that. The -- arcade games were not made for joystick largely missile command -- -- -- track ball games. Are playing that impede with a -- -- is Rica and crystal castles and I'm gonna be an arcade stickler is saying I'm. The real joystick games pac man I think of -- space invaders. Anaheim man is not even on it and they're not on there because that's and I am coming -- so and they make enough money without editorial editor -- -- Janice annually GIZ. Support built in which is the real change just to be great -- need to develop. Universe -- with all those retro arcade titles. Right now it's kind of it for both it's a bit of a novelty although. I think the desktop element of the IKEA is a lot cooler looking -- If you're a gamer who wants a high score type thing you -- -- consider this county people are. Real issue price course let's look -- think you can always rigged via I Qaeda attacks is actually at a -- Yeah I. Definitely. Their friends and when it claims aren't out there and the reason why Scotland both played the game a neat thing is because -- He -- sucking negotiate. That's actually a quicker way certificate when I was going to explanation that it. So we averaged the scores together in the vitamin -- to and then and that that's how you figure out you take out the personal performance -- -- which machine is faster. The average score that's -- and I got on one -- -- and -- on the arcade with 2100 the average school work. That that that we got on the hurricane with 72 hunt. That we get a lot better now I will say we played the I keyed the -- -- and the Turkey tech with vitamin world warmed up. But I don't think we were 2100 -- 7200 warmed up. I noticed the faster it was only a firing was faster and triggering an ethylene market advantage and it goes too little fingers in -- together they announced double standards technique. I found out out entirely new audience and today there -- about last week gets -- and that -- online is actually developing an iPad app. Enable wireless. Controller and He Fatah and other game -- game games coming out now are lying is iphone's wireless controllers will be a disconnect there. But they should just make it wireless controller. Well there's a problem right after -- had employed there working on that that either of those guys are working on that but yeah a lot of technological hurdles. With how the iPad and -- -- understand Bluetooth input in terms of getting multiple button presses at the same time which is why haven't had -- yet. They claim they figured out a way around it but we haven't actually seen the final product for failure yet they've had some demos and -- -- -- I jump to the other big piece of -- ratings from last week because tomorrow obviously. -- who's gonna tuck -- at the iPhone. Come -- six our last. A lot of -- -- -- a lot of the album started Cupertino ads don't wanna be around for this -- if it's gonna be Apple accusing. Well not here -- if it. We don't do that not us but I remember when when personalized Vietnam only Diana's on the next week it's the iPhone for the -- totals four G is that he's not -- -- their fourth generation. He's added -- still gonna get a Mac can do -- kind of ignorant I can't have -- care. What they don't want to admit it midi -- say whatever they do whatever to give me the boxes -- and crap I'll take. But don't don't don't care can go -- -- huge. Benefit and -- immediately more. Sighted about the Kindle fire and the Kindle -- and then you just plain old Kindle unfortunately only don't we have right now. Is the actual Kindle -- if you remember the current Kindle looks kinda like this but it has that whole QWERTY keyboard little tiny keys that are actually probably -- of the type on. And let's say the on screen keyboard on your iPad. This is the new version at 79 bucks if you need to times having in this an on screen keyboards and have cursor around. Which is a little ridiculous but. You know what how how offing and it had to being in I guess English -- searching for a book -- for searching for a book or entering your Wi-Fi pass but it's thin and it's slightly. Look how thin that is it looks nicer than the current plastic can -- got much more of they. -- Fides sort of feel with the death of the big forward but salon and hats buttons it's deathly more compact thing going around the. In the where look at it easier -- make it to put your pocket the more the mulberry and has little figure pants pocket and yes you'll -- -- break. Now if you look at it that there's actually -- Q -- special offers a look is an -- for yoga on hold it in my back pocket and mr. And that's point 79 but it's more of the unit without the as of the backlit and it's actually pretty. I think you pointed out it's -- inauguration and even really I didn't until you pointed out to be I didn't even realize I'm looking -- and and I hear them I just wasn't even paying attention. If that thing into a pot and it has -- pocket guests. It in your -- and I'm not an easy doing it well I did it goes you're totally right. And optimal video playback files and cardinal here shortly generally are actually completely right because I would sit down -- so why. That it might it might it might flexes it's not also carries keys and sandpaper and spotted a dictionary keys and iphones. Now and tartar sauce is not just. I thought I didn't lose -- -- goes that is to stockings and -- -- standing gripped Paper -- for putting a fine finish on his I like the design is nice you didn't hear about that. Product design it's nice but I mean where are we going alone with -- we're gonna we're gonna philosophical question -- -- I mean I I I I I don't appreciate companies are anticompetitive and put on new products -- I mean. The more and more than they could do that it's really confusing to the consumer ads that I mean how many candles are there. There's the fires as this one of the Dave and -- would have they have to make things less confusing for people. You when you go like on the there's place -- -- their office called red border. Hugely she walked in there that everything from sushi -- to stay away is that if you look in this place -- supposed to be a -- But you don't know you walk and maybe when -- when your -- and and it just go crazy. It's information overload. They need this put a -- like even with windows I think we don't -- five different versions of windows -- -- take a page from -- In -- one and fix it can keep it going running right and -- -- -- -- -- I agree if you on the still I was last week and as discusses -- Katzmaier I was saying that. The problem now is that the this one is available now. The Kindle touch is available late November. And the -- is available mid November and yet they're also still selling the keyboard -- version in three G and regular and there -- comparison page of all these Kendall's. And I think you just a bit of a dangerous game because I think I like the new line up a lot you're right I think. Some people are gonna accidentally go online and buy one now they have to -- the keyboard -- can almost they want this one. And they think oh that's the new Kindle and they might get -- for the holidays it sounds ridiculous but it's true and Apple does a very good job of streamlining those lines and removing stuff from the -- kind of avoid that even though every year. Everything is just name MacBook. -- you know. And you were I don't know all right but -- into a -- probably because they removed things. At a very good time and and it's -- that and even their eliminating it -- the air is not competing with the MacBook and MacBook out. They're probably gonna eliminate the shuffle the nano also small -- -- -- -- to -- of the shuffle in these of the the shuffle the -- bet they're -- probably get rid of the iPod classic. So to be the shuffle -- to -- the nano the touch. And in the in the iPad that's it and I mean and -- keep -- -- people walking and I want an iPad. What capacity 3264. Right sixty you know it's not like you want the the -- the iPad 345 with a 432 whether its -- just get the idea that. The iPad is in it is a large iPod Touch the whole point it's part of the line -- and now. Making that clear I think that that's another size element and then you make it simpler because -- Below you Monica -- unit which puts up -- of the Wi-Fi -- a car using. A -- phone is a -- -- by house that some people don't know that you can use your cellphone or certain cell phone support mobile hotspots. And you can use to get universal on -- feel like they have to get the three G version assuming we can use it outside on a dude it's a -- actually get -- -- torn reform because you can use that with your iPad you can use that with your laptop you can use it with -- you're not there -- your your. Your PS TV if you get one you use it whatever you're DS -- -- or whatever. Whereas when you get the three G version -- your iPad you're stuck with -- So I mean I do like that small -- going back to Kindle though I do like that you design I think it's -- good too but it's much better at the little side -- it does everything you need now because they are would you would you buy and carry that and your iPad. I was -- -- is ridiculously I was tempted but that's the thing is that at seventy dollar price and hand -- -- really great. It's tempting to -- I -- Kindle -- -- don't want somebody are right I I wouldn't do it. -- travel might not iPad would be my son's in on the plane and I'd be reading a book on the Kindle but other than that right I. I wouldn't -- and I -- the Kindle before the iPad so obviously that's how to order what but I wouldn't buy another one after -- -- it's kind of redundant. Right you know I mean I have -- little -- -- the iPad but it gets really redundant. I think it really pinning their hopes on the on the Kindle fire. Which is a much more entertain any tablet the device well tell us like we're back -- time again because because it it can -- could be a late start in. It's almost like you're watching the end digital city but I gentlemen I have one final question this He has because you're running out of time -- -- an actor morrow. Obviously they're gonna talk about the next generation iPhone whether it is the iPhone four -- iPhone five or some combination thereof some variant I'm gonna go around the room who in this room is going to acquire. The newest iPhone. Assuming of course it's not a complete -- -- job on this over Chile Chile is this new iPhone going to be for you under any circumstances. I can't answer that. I'm still under -- activists and a -- I'm gonna defend now okay okay just -- -- -- get a from a -- Alright that's a good answer Scott -- It's either from here for my wife and because I -- dropped her iPhone in the toilet thanks -- to -- -- a whole episode because it's his -- Belgrade to -- it up with Regis in the toilet and luckily there is still three G -- around the house somewhere. And it now she's using that as when using. And she wants to get a new phone now the real question will be we will get a new -- will Hulu look at it and really she -- and I phoned the cheap iPhone four. Or will I get a four arresting -- from my iPhone four or five. Or five. Which is if you think your iPhone -- -- transpire and and Hewlett that you get a new iPhone five right right you take your iPhone forty blanket you put in -- effort by buck to give it to execute the new iPhone will keynote. She. I went in and -- not a parent. And then you would find out -- out a little if any of my -- and discovered the deception exactly and then. And -- I. I'm gonna say how it's gonna boil them yet and -- particular -- -- you're gonna go down like this yet. If indeed Scott's wife does take the iPod they tell -- nominee governor -- He is gonna bother her -- so many times for photo -- and radio protest she's gonna be like if they're taking it take it she will probably cave in let me do it I. And an -- in about fever -- an email I mean there the size it before we generally see the need amino -- -- another level. I do you like for a lot right now and I don't see -- huge need -- -- -- -- -- SB to energize some -- -- Ackerman. Anything that's done because it is usually discuss -- borrowing an old Ella but that's a big and they want this -- want the six. -- Libya handed over to demonstrate that it will quietly go to stagger the update I'm I'm doing I get a 3-D and an -- data contract would only be yet at a -- -- -- -- country. You -- stagger and I -- into so you do it with Scotland's and I. Well anyway it's it's been fun and this has been obviously our new -- Atlantis cast -- I'm gonna tell you very quickly that. You can find it at FaceBook dot com slash C Atlanta testament to get the -- patron at the if anyone would -- -- Now that's got diddle the cables properly but think he's been working minds it'll say that I thought Twitter magic -- ultimately what. -- really -- deleted immediately the. And of course on -- good -- we're on at 1 PM eastern I believe that is 11 AM Pacific right here on cnet.com. Slash lives. And I think that's all the updating any to give people. Only for those who are concerned with my voice I appreciated. I'm I'm not sick I was out watching the jets. I was I was over it's got team -- with -- -- many -- to -- -- and his boys. -- -- -- -- -- And I'll I'll point out tomorrow I I don't know five coverage obviously they're gonna have -- stuff here on on CNET TV all day. So you won't miss a drop of this year as -- -- if you stay tuned right here we're able to do you probably see a bunch of us on TV and doing radio spots tomorrow would be over it. CBC doing live coverage of the -- an -- -- he's got all of the place as well Apple overload Apple's overall suffer from Apple over. That's saying man. And it.