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Ep. 1497: Lytro is the camera of the futureLytro's Founder and CEO Ren Ng Ph.D. stopped by the BOL studio today to discuss his new product the Lytro Light Field Camera which allows you to focus different depths of field within one photograph. We picked his brain about how the technology works...
Today is Friday June. 24 2011 my name is Steven -- I am Antuan Goodwin and I am Bryan song welcome to buzz out loud is cnet's podcast of indeterminate length today is episode 1497 and we promised. And we delivered. A very special guest. There is that until a new light shows founder and CEO -- Ing in the house press three and asking questions we're gonna have you guys. Ask him all the questions that you want as well. We've seen and talked about on this exciting launch an announcement like has been everywhere rate Twitter. Well what's life been like the past you know say forty dollars that -- thanks a lot for having me on that the last 48 hours has been. Absolutely terrific. Will be the response having -- the world has -- been. Outrageously. Positive just a huge amount of traffic through -- website. And we had a great launch party on Wednesday to we had. Sector so they elect character either run around when you thought about -- -- -- -- -- it was it was amazing what a so now looking -- -- -- listeners and people listen a little bit about your background. You went to Stanford -- where you where you had your dissertation and this is kind of what sparked everything. That's right yeah I was December for a long time came from Australia out to California myself. Now and -- underground and -- for grad school as well and I was doing all this rescission computer graphics. And and and it's a very. You know visually driven person to love pictures love photos taking lots of pictures and lots of photos with film cameras -- -- digital cameras immersing and how you make pictures you know with the best new graphics. They were doing all this recent on this thing called the light field. And and taking you know 5000 you know and digital pictures -- resentment that will clearly what -- need to be doing is studying cameras and how the application of all the best computer graphics in the world could make cameras that are and that's how -- -- is born. -- so com where you. Would you describe -- can -- -- -- beforehand or definitely. Did a lot of rock climbing on the best friends affirmed you know the Rockland community. I Don -- you've got guns and -- -- That lets these days that -- -- Key West lower cameras these days. On and a lot of candid portraits and if you're gonna hang -- for roping you're trying to take pictures down you down a steep cliff. -- focusing on the -- of the right time and -- trying to active in answering around acquaintances has been difficult and enough. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And with all the things that we knew about firm to be graphics this. You know these days swear and use a -- movies straight and and so much of it is is can be generated and in a way that you just can't distinguish reality because we understand how light works so well. If we can -- in -- -- that you can't distinguish reality. And if you think about applying all of that knowledge all the technology to camera that's what you get with the photography. Now when the great things about this we showed off some these pictures and examples that are on light shows -- -- L light tiara light show dot com and check the picture gallery where. These pictures have been taken and after the fact. You can choose the focal point. That you want to focus on they'd use examples like flowers. For lovely ladies spaces and I clicked on antenna that did you like the island it's -- well yeah we can find you know it looks well if we can buy an -- of Orleans -- -- -- which when media. Each prefer you when with a cat. Like notepad I'm not a fan podcasts L all cats and party of Vietnam develop that we talked about it we -- -- about the most -- the went through the glass windows and again gates on the glass window -- you're able to. You know to the political is between the little hole -- a -- of geometric -- and so on. Oh yeah this -- -- -- like of the four at least that was taken by Michael suit and you his photographer of the year a few years back. And he shot early on with -- -- that let you chemistry and it appears actually -- is been a real fan you know referring to the company. And -- the when he talked about with you know that the grimy window via that's taken by Richard Cortez Hernandez Seattle I love that picture and the business to people -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Love that picture because. I'm very passionate about to. And pictures that tell stories you know and I think this. -- here really shows how -- she is taking -- photography. Not just the things -- instant shutter a decent picture with no delay. Focusing at the fact that's great for all of us. But for people there really wanna push the photographic art -- all of these new opportunities to take pictures that are inviting you to explore. Inviting you to interact in -- -- to discover. And that I called it in in back and -- risen and in my dissertation chuckled at the sensation -- discovery. And I think that sensation of discovery when you can't quite see something that you want to see and then you click and it comes into clear focus. Is just a magical. Alex Kelly child like like people here we don't giddy about it -- like the group that no one of the questions that everyone has a -- event you did have arm the cameras there. Now they where according to sources wrapped in me that -- leopard shark type sock stuffed animal and this is how we you know in this day and age of the leaks all over the Internet you've got to protect your properties. That's right the camera is still very much under wraps the sharks were you know an idea from -- director photography Eric -- Eric is you know one of the premier underwater photographers in the world he's taken is amazing and -- CNET news pictures of -- -- shark jumping out of the water to catch -- seal. As a shot like that where the -- thankfully in the air in a suspended in the air. That's -- -- -- he has a lot of sharks. Iran is apartment stuffed animals. But it at the last minute they decided that -- be the best that's -- and -- the camera but now the question is here we know. I think it can see how release you know big or small cameras art is the technology here's the light show. Is this the a lot of people are asking us is this going to be a consumer point and shoot camera or mortar and -- -- our gambling what is what is the you know. I guess the optics and the technology what it what form factor you guys looking up you have to launch -- -- -- -- -- fields are applicable to anything with a lens in front of a sensor the technology is fundamental and that way and applies to all your camera optical systems. What we're really interest it to do is to take this technology out of the lab. Where used to be you know are really about vary. Research oriented large. Large -- -- -- systems. And bring it to the masses are gonna do that half -- -- come out with something that you know -- -- for industrial settings or something that is priced out of the consumer market. This is gonna be. Consumer form factor consumer price point for everybody. Excellent so on what price when are you looking to target and then it's gonna -- competitively priced that's. Buzzwords that I got -- right price right. Thank you this you notice that it has nothing better right now you can -- -- him later for drive though none of that's fine on another question completely related so. -- are you guys looking to launch this by the end of the year or -- -- -- or an -- 2012 -- is gonna be in 2002000. And Latin. Excellent now it's it's a really exciting time to be this close to being able to bring this. They got you know that goes back to the mid 1990s tremendous technology from these two professors show -- VoIP and hand -- -- -- paper came out in 1986 and has been. Cited -- thousands of times in research literature. And to be able to go through these progression of understanding in -- camera systems and small camera systems and now bringing out into something where. It can be for the whole world is -- -- -- and soup which. Yeah -- you guys thought about small camera systems and we know how mobile phones and cameras have exploded right iPhone four is one of the number one. Photos types of photos from a device uploaded to Flickr these days -- are you guys. And this is a very you know down the road question but. Are you guys looking news will be or opt in technology into mobile folders that's a mean that you have licensed on the road like where -- you thinking in that direction it would get. The Wii Fit. It's fully compatible with you cell phones with large systems -- investor all the rest of it. I'm microscopes that technology for -- humor across -- he has been put out by. Professional avoid Stanford and collaborate on that since graduating. In a cell -- space you know I think. That cellphones are so important all of us because they are dealing most of these still ultra casualty in a picture so you can document everything in your life right. And I think that really what we see in the market today is just this exploding interest in more more picture taking. And I think that what underlies that is. As human beings we just have this. In this -- need to be able to tell other people what we've been doing visually you know if -- -- back to the cave paintings in the discover this. Kate -- -- in France now that from the third at 30000 years ago right now. It's an amazing picture you know like all these cattle like jumping over Venus and with -- -- -- Internet and haven't -- it and it's such action picture and you can just -- -- feel like. Someone that was out there on -- hunt. Was just really compelled to wanna lay it down for posterity and into the can make you know the 1830s. The -- aria type you know those that that first -- and really brought photography to the masses and it was this you know silver. Silver plate. It to put these these chemicals on I think it started with you with chloride in with -- -- -- and things like this is really talks. And in the very first week after cigar. Brought this thing out. In a portrait houses sprang up all across Paris. And people would bring their families to try to take pictures to -- and we never able to take a picture of the family before. A mister really -- in a pain and and and and it was really hard to take these pictures you know you had to sit there for a couple minutes. To be mentioned -- at the for a couple minutes to have your picture taken with the eight in what happens is that if you try to look at -- camera. Your eyes are gonna blur because you can't keep your eyes still for that -- or you know your arms -- -- movies just not possible to do have to close their eyes. And -- would have to sit in a chair with an iron collar hold themselves to load up these exposures to work. It's just think about the links that these people all across -- went to capture those pictures -- when you look at you know a digital pictures today. You know that that -- energy is there for people who just want to take pictures but Smartphones but people -- this craving for. The great pictures. Of the people that they love it so that drives in enormous camera market dedicated camera market it was like 38 billion dollars last year in sales. Projected to grow to 44 billion dollars in 2015 and that's before the innovations that -- your technology -- like to wants to bring back to the space so you know the history of progression of -- presenting them very passionate about as well. Okay on we would definitely less see more questions but we wanted to get questions that. -- audiences -- asking of you so insulin there's your little a couple of -- ruling by the of the one that I keep -- the most is that how -- the file size or photos that captured in the format compared with something like JPEG -- raw -- again and -- -- Sodomy and its file and it can be comparable to their regular picture files on. And it really comes onto compression level so it might be a slightly larger depending on where we end up but it's not -- to be like an order of magnitude larger than a picture it was -- -- their -- kind of file. It it in here really has to be because this information never collecting is is not a photograph it and -- it collects all this extra information. And now that said once you have a light fuel engine that's our software -- form the pictures from that light -- Well after that you know you could save as JPEG ship it out -- of course used interactive capability right. So what we want to make sure is that you know people don't just has this powerful technology under the hood for the photographer and then. He should not in your friends and -- pictured and even know. When you violate your camera it's something that you can -- -- -- exciting content with and that is why we have launched the company with these living pictures on our website. That is what people are gonna -- to share with different and family and if you think about it right when you program lets -- when you guys went in at this on his software does it right. The problem with formats in the past and with its hit for JPEG or raw was that the modern suffer infrastructure of the world. But with the sufferers -- for the world at that time headed. Grown enough so that -- it wasn't a pain and yet to download software of -- compatible on its findings. Today with modern -- technologies we can deliver something where on mobile phones. You know on -- a web browser now on the iPad people can see -- living pictures without installing anything. And that's the simplicity. In unification experience that we want to deliver to our customers and problems. Now home on the demos on your web pages it is he using html five to read these files depends where you look at it it's either flash or html fives on -- browsers an additional five in in I think that's our and a mobile phone additional five and routes so for someone let's say let's -- my mom who in the future -- electric camera. Will she will she need to use some sort of -- -- software on her own computer initially to interact with photos yeah initially. And it's you know and that's from what's gonna happen and -- which she shares with view or with -- anyone else in the world on the don't need to -- to appreciate the living picture. Now how does the that's the of them for the -- -- that can now. How -- -- time between shots. A different take longer -- -- -- pictures yet it's a good question and you know we're not ready to go into this and the specifics on a product right now is a lot of those things are still in development but -- we -- -- exclusive grand. -- -- I don't see a similar thing is this those are right -- how much more -- you want Bryan on the game won't think you're gonna have been to places they've. But -- -- into a lot of physics and -- a data center visitor's visa. Inherently you know with -- the technology. This is a single shot runs it's not taking any pictures intransigent together so inherently light fields are at -- -- speed. Or potentially faster exposures and for commission and -- because shipments. So you know things like that shot to -- speed and it multiple pictures really disconnected it electronic systems is independently. So on the you know that we didn't see too many -- -- Action shots like what's your runner summit thrown down a slam dunk like will be able to handle that okay would definitely. And I think -- -- -- the -- this I think a picture of a lot of pictures are still coming through going up to the -- working with I think that's one of a chain link fence with a -- some volleyball players in the background I think. You know it's all about there's about despite the positive difference in action shots out there and adds to poll and in fact that's one of the -- -- -- there's a baby shop on there. And this is that it is a friend Eric -- not yet it there's -- key. This is like happy -- -- in the world that I a lot of pictures and maybe cut. And the amazing thing but this picture which you might not be able Tel Aviv -- the close the it's the -- on a swing at the park. I don't know -- you guys have ever tried to take a picture of a baby on so many as the Nazis Nancy. And it's a great -- because they love -- -- just love being on the -- you know. But it's with a conventional camera and mean in that you have to a focus in UG -- -- at that half press writes in unit that that's that's a really simple thing where. Complications. Just threaten more action to the beach just means lots of people take the -- -- when -- don't know we need to do that it's like -- of zero point. Half precedent to -- focuses somewhere and just wait for the -- to try to go through that point. It's these impossible. And it shot you just click it -- it -- you can focus after the fact in any -- you can if it's perfectly in focus that sounds very compelling right there would just click it yet. -- -- and something which is not just the right focus but also at. At the right -- you click it takes instantly without any delay. And that -- tell -- is one -- Pictures of gonna be the next is now that's what about the opera. Opposite end of that people who enjoy things like long long exposures and will you still be able to do that third definitely and you know the thing about -- fuel photography. It is -- -- about this image to sufficiently that is. You know I'm very passionate about. I was -- from film and cameras -- light filled with love Dell via with the -- that I use it really saturated colors outdoorsman. And that would digital cameras in the scene and craft of composition of the picture alt and control it at the creatively. -- -- and and and you know I'm just really passionate about and if you photography fields so. Natural. Because it very much -- photography as we've known it. And this focusing the see through these pictures. -- so natural because it is just. The stuff they'll if you engine doing the physical work of the lens that would normally in -- -- -- focus ring. Which is due to physics and software is just an accurate simulation that investment we -- despite its high fidelity. So all the things you -- for photography you continue to work -- now. Indeed it is a bit more life in the picture preserved. Forever and up to -- -- that the one thing that everyone is worried about -- -- proprietary camera how much control to actually get. But I was really. The after the fact you know been able to -- -- out individually these but right right right definitely and you know that there are so many capabilities that come from late fields. And it's gonna take time for us and for the ecosystem to bring all of those benefits -- the consumer over time this is gonna take years. But the amazing thing is that right at the gate -- had a living picture that distance you can never do before. And the file that it came from the -- he'll file contains all of the richness of that data. For forever. So we have it had an example of flying bird it was a pigeon shot. In Japan three years ago with an early if -- -- agent not an -- and no no definitely not at all. And where and under united animal cruelty at -- and anyway nothing to hook up. The amazing thing was that you know -- -- in insurers can capture the bird just at the right moment -- it was -- by. And it used to be focusing only. The demo we developed our 3-D capabilities and built that -- last year the seem like -- few files from three years ago. I became treaty -- if you put glasses on you can see if flying bird treaty. Even without glasses we have this humorous if 3-D that lets you change the perspective. In the picture. Even without glasses you can -- three -- which is part. Power at a hearing now ray -- that yeah I do and a -- over -- -- definitely -- it is. There and to ask another question -- -- -- while he's looking at that I mean that of course is my mind -- Lori go. Users understand. That this is just like a 3-D TV in the dead in the good friend who. The -- that shot us talk about -- it's a flying bird and a park in you can focus for decent stereo you're all go way up. So -- bar -- close the -- -- is the same time if you want and he's just talking about the -- -- bounce around and edited the pictures this fifteen it's like you should carry heavier and one. I noticed people are watching this video that hopefully doesn't look. When you know we're tech guys we -- -- stuff it's fine it's on your. And actually see the -- it's focused far -- close CC can stereo right. And so the thing about is -- -- stereo and if you have a 3-D movie if you know no glasses the 3-D area. But even without glasses here we can change this perspective. Which is provides this in -- three to goes beyond what you can even see in the theaters and rent your kilometer right now I'm ING's now you -- -- sign up you can go to -- -- satellite show. And there's email list write to science to getting -- how long is Alice. You want them. I can't say about -- to create we have been totally amazed at the level of interest and are so grateful to people -- you know. The support of the company now we're gonna wrap things up its tablet final question. Obviously the chemistry is growing in exploding but it's really competitive rates so for you what you think there -- some of the challenges that you see that you guys -- -- address out of the gates you know. To get people to really understand -- -- but. Jump on board it. The additionally it. You know I think that what the company's CD is to keep our just a product design philosophy of our Silicon Valley. In a really intact as we -- Ford. Because when you look a lot of the cameras on the market today. I think a lot of them are are still polishing technology for technology's it's sort of like you know this CPUs back. The CPU market you know back in the ninety's it was just -- megahertz for megahertz take me more megapixels is not visible to any of -- and share pictures. In our orientation is she really used it -- it don't you have to make it simpler camera. Faster more delightful or magical for people. And if we keep that end to end product experience. Intact -- -- -- -- which we have. It's amazing -- -- -- the chat -- can you apply these. The light sensor to video as well as that it is definitely satisfying very yeah so it's a single shot in time and ideas -- you rate videos it really important thing for. Dallas area telescope array is -- Alice yeah -- -- -- that. They're -- there is a little assay ideas what other you know a final thought it holograms. Right. Back in the research phase scene was shot of elected camera we we could create a full parallel -- hologram. In -- a full color that you can move around and see things and in full 43 -- Many files collectively let the camera provide that that puppetry compatibility -- also -- Randall thank you so much thanks -- -- exactly so much for coming out I'm pleased to name on the top of the list I signed up two days ago I really appreciate it but factory here that they hit the light like the -- Latvians here what's on it. But I don't think humans become in the studio and -- -- definitely keep our eyes on you guys and we appreciate everything so we're gonna go to an outbreak. On everyone and will be back with the stories of the day but -- that privilege. Catalog stating. -- -- -- -- -- -- I could be here -- economic guys. Welcome back to -- -- everybody reckoning has left the building and overall I was I was impressed by what we just -- the notable bit Kodak. I mean I look -- wowed I was allowed to even look thumbnails. Are all the -- all the different Apple -- cause them. And moving movie -- you -- -- couldn't see it but he moved his mouse. And and it changed it very settling on me to put a little bit of the perspectives and a couple of degrees yeah -- -- but it's got the equivalent of doing it. It was really fun to see Sola we're definitely sad about that product now you know we're also excited about. -- delivering you guys the news for today so we're gonna jump right into -- the Federal Trade Commission may be launching an antitrust probe. Of Google this is one of our predicted that informal list last year that they be -- -- -- regulators are poisoning Google with subpoenas. Once in a -- informal investigation into whether the Internet giant has abused its dominance in web search amber and advertising. People familiar with the with the probe in the matter now. Google has -- -- these antitrust probes in the past. And but this one is really specifically focused relating to Google's core search advertising business its biggest money maker because there's a lot of companies. Travel web sites Yelp and several -- -- the top my head that aren't plain mean that Apple's Google search -- their algorithm. -- Google products for example things like Google places. They rise the top when they still they really aren't getting the traffic and exposure that somebody's more brand name sites like Expedia and kayak. And and others are getting so. They're gonna look into it down but this this is gonna be and -- in the C. How this is just an investigation right now this is not. They're not seen officially that you know Hulu has violated antitrust law but they are going to look into it to see what evidence they -- -- collected and potentially move forward. And then. See if they can kind of break Google's power it. It's interesting to me but it I don't relieve the problem with that you know one of the -- one of the things that you could argue is that some of these sites are successful because of Google's algorithm. Yeah I brought them to the top of the traffic -- mean you know it it I mean I don't really have an issue with you know thirteen four. For example. Did definition and having like Google's whatever dictionary -- pop over the top. The bother me very much elected I go to Google to find information -- -- -- to Google to find. But for you know for a particular thing -- -- in public and for a flight. Put in the flight number shows up at the top or -- punched him like you know something like flight from San Francisco new York and Google stuffed of the top. -- with that -- that the information that I want I mean maybe its not fair to people who run Google -- on Google if the private company. That's the thing right you and I as the consumer. We don't think we care at all yeah I know literally consumers don't care and information come from as long as it's accurate and get exactly but from the you know a business standpoint. If someone's paying for you know Google's ad words and they're still -- -- -- -- they should because rules favoring their products. Then that that's where there's a problem so this is like that there's very funny because this is like a story we -- partake yesterday where somebody like. So one guy at the within the tragic -- them indicted in their car the cover Mac that was because he didn't realize electric with on -- was running -- smooth and on the soon Lexus car ran through news and dislike. I mean -- Google breathing -- people and that's a very easy way that they're now. At a point where people are we rely on schools and bring traffic to our site and because we're not where we think we should be on Google it's not fair but -- -- It's one of -- things worth deflate in you know Google. Has done its job a little too well and now -- rely on it too much and as a result when it tries to push its own agenda now people are there's the backlash. Yes so -- noble will be following this and seen how this all six but it's really a push by a lot of you know. Other sites you know industry that wants them to be looked -- a little more closely because like we said it's I don't feel like it's hurting me the consumer. Now also on if you wanna talk about other stories of sorry I just -- this link. In the legal world and anti trust will this is not necessarily on an antitrust issue against Apple that Apple is getting the approval. To bid for nortel's assets we talked about how Google. On currently holds the bid for -- axis this is a variety of different wireless. Patents that are up for sale approximately 6000 a -- Expand wireless wireless four G data network in optical voice Internet service provider semiconductors and others even some that are related to Internet search. And social networking and you know the ideas whoever -- these patents. Will be able to use them you know in this ongoing patent litigation now that we see between different companies. Either for offense or defense but Apple's now been invited you know -- -- to the party to be one of the bidders. In that what is it. Note what was the sorry I'm -- and like losses -- -- currently. Google's bid has to be surpassed by at least when he nine million dollars. In order for them to give it up you know to a another -- the at the end of the day though. The all the owners of these -- will have the right to choose. Who the winner. Of you know of this being more will be -- for whatever interest even if the dollar value. Maybe you know goals that I wanna give you more and it keeps on becoming a -- -- in May not come down necessarily just the dollars and it it goes more beyond that. Yet but I mean -- the dollar have to be there and minority if -- -- to -- are being -- this -- the get them in buying a rate that it is there yet that Google started off -- -- they don't put down the minimum number here but at least you do you have to -- who will buy. 49 million if I were call right I thought it was somewhere. Around 900 -- it was 900 million that 80900 million at least initially to get in other -- there is that doesn't mean we're so. Wilson will see what happens with that also on you know patents really popular if you're looking to see what's happening in the patent world. Specifically United States Patent and Trademark Office. House has approved an overhaul of the patent system and it's backed. By companies like Apple and Google on Thursday they voted to rewrite the sixty year old -- to get investor inventors. A better shot of obtaining patents in a timely manner currently there are some one point two million. -- -- Patent applications. And it's taken it and that inventors as -- -- three years to get a decision to even get a decision on a patent so they're looking to remedy this. Invest more money in the program to help push those -- Through it as you keep in -- situations where. Two companies patent something like touching an icon. And -- and have been pending for three years and got three years' worth of products that not on the market until the people than buying and then. Well all of a sudden company a has the patent for touching -- icon and every other company now owes them. In a seven billion dollars. I mean it yet you can solve a lot of this problem less speed that process up. And then you know maybe you'd be able -- cut a better deal and friend. I think he would being sued by somebody for from the -- real of the -- One yelled one of -- one of the things about this is that. One of the changes. That's been brought up. By the bill would allow the United States to use this with the conical first inventor to file system for -- applications Europe and Japan currently use it. But this would allow it's kind of like. If you file first you you can like stake your claim on the ground of that and -- because a lot of times. We have people like I came over that personal I came up with that offers you mitigate your -- out there fast net that's one of the well one of the rules that they're implementing. Or conditions on in this new bill. Also there is obviously some opposition and -- challenges. To the new bill on CNET it would make it more difficult for a small scale -- To prevail in these disputes with these large corporations the in the first the file patent they say it's -- where around 110 dollars. A 110 dollar fee. The -- provisional application that gives you a year to present the formal application but can cost. Up to five million dollars for legitimate and vendors to bend to defend themselves against some of these lawsuits -- That's that's really buy it from a. Yet it mean you save money up front. -- -- -- and you could mean a present progress that lake that huge gap of of coughed up front -- cost on the tail and just. By making sure that you know you don't spend three years. Hanging out loose with product that they patent pending on them yet and we we've talked about -- do I mean this this is okay this is one way to fix the patent. System right the speed of delivery of responses but also their needs to be a real change from the bottom up of what gets accepted and what does it yeah that's approved and what doesn't because getting a little silly and you know a little generic and -- from what we've seen I know some of the iPhone ones are specific to a specific function but aren't there are still other ones that are quite broad. Yeah I mean they have been somewhere it's just like manipulating icons with a touch screen we patent that. -- and how you do that the opposite -- do it -- do it. Also on moving along to Arizona. Arizona what's going on with lol -- Arizona confirms. That documents that lol -- leaked. Are authentic and are worried about their officers safety. Lol site targeted. Is -- Arizona department of public safety because they were unhappy. With the senate bill 10170 this is kind of a controversial piece of legislation that requires people. To carry -- with them at all times to prove that there in the US legally. In case -- stopped by police and people thought this might lead to racial racial profiling you know and then asking Friday there's. Obviously plenty of legal immigrants that. Whatever side you choose still contribute to the bottom line of our economy whether legally or not and so. Lol -- because they weren't too happy about Arizona -- the first state. To adopt this they decided to leak information. For officials. And and -- things like their names of spouses their mobile phone numbers and home dresses. Email accounts as many as eight officers -- expose and they publish them on a document that they put up on the Internet yet. Fit aimed -- an army public -- at the public. Official. Public author -- people have you know your information is. -- -- there are -- not your personal information but I mean if they'll want to get in contact with year your office number. Published somewhere and there's a right way and a wrong way to go about doing things that -- -- yet when you Serbian experts like that -- get scary. But added I mean it where they expect the thing that's gonna change the law. Yeah exactly yeah it's not -- you know to them it's like okay we're gonna use our muscle hide behind our computers while we expose people like it. Potentially get heard a lot uglier and a lot of lot of force -- with the gas a lot of -- with -- so it's it's not it's not the law enforcement ball games and ridiculous they're they're targeting they're targeting the wrong people via you know totally alright also a mall in response -- Little such activity keeps on you know it's almost like every -- a news story of what they're up to. Well -- members. Are potentially going to be -- by a hacking group. This is from a group called team poison that says in the post they're planning to expose the identities. Of some of lol -- members on the the group says. Team poison. Or he Rio levels that says oh team plays an issue two was coming out very soon expose animals like members pictures addresses -- IPS phone numbers -- that comes from -- -- But on I think I think it's completely Peralta and I think an -- -- it's an overnight at all their -- more I don't think. I am sure -- -- -- is probably a little cocky about this because they don't they don't really don't think it's gonna stop them from doing anything but if they're doing this that. Innocent people -- are innocent bystander of whatever laws and senate bills they've got -- they've got -- you know. -- -- to have some of their stuff comes out that the wild west there are now half. I think it's the latest news not because the ridiculously have been -- vigil. -- of them via. And Italy does that -- I don't know if we'll thankfully. -- super villain that may eighteenth was and liquid that mandatory -- I'm gonna talk about a web vigilantes yeah a few episodes ago about how this is treating this culture where there's like you know. Quote unquote criminals -- people to know good and and and -- other people that are tribes that want to regulate and stop its. It's it's you know gutless superheroes on on -- isn't that a lot going on here instead of knowing that I just keep thinking about movie hackers or have perfect. Like a bunch of like -- point remembers running to like people and with their laptop been -- in -- -- that are gonna overload their servers and fell to negative like that -- -- of the landscape changed now it's not that much like directly attacking people like compromised when you're on the web. And and you can hide behind your anonymity that your your biggest weapon and -- your biggest lake protection in in compromising that is the -- -- that. -- -- but it has been doing to other people. But now you -- -- them -- of their own take their medicine and basically take you -- -- their strongest weapon in their anonymity and. I'm curious to see. What comes out if it does. And if you you can really track these people down that have been doing some stuff we'll see it actually such as the moderator of the higher C. Chatter at the Kia group -- probably the Twitter -- and I think that's the guy who runs the Twitter account that's not really that effective on the yellow so it doesn't know when to stop and also in our next story. The -- lost winds still don't know when it's not we talked about how they decided to drop their Supreme Court appeal. And we thought that the story was over. But in a court filing on Thursday are yet they've decided now. To press their case in a federal court in Boston is claiming that FaceBook did not overturn -- show up. Any import information during the litigation and the information at hand was. SIMs from -- to bring that were revealed later. Where he said regarding the Harvard connect legal -- web site he he had said in them I'm going to believe them. And another one he said they made a mistake hot a hot asked me to make it for them so I'm delaying it so we'll be ready until after FaceBook after the peace but thing. Comes out this information was withheld or not turned over during their initial trials which are still led to the reject you know the complaints went. Unheard day you already had receive -- 65 million dollar settlement so they wanna go back to Boston's federal court. Just -- about we are done at that they're not they're not -- my. My assumption is here in the story they're not claiming any. Monetary you know. You know payback for what happened there looks like I'm assuming they're doing this to and a restart. Or reevaluated reexamine the case is -- poignant this specific point. That Zuckerberg this information was not given them at that point in time that they can deal. -- these cases and get a larger settlement can now be the only reason they're doing this. And it's absolutely stupid. Just can't get enough. I mean some time -- the 55 million bucks isn't enough you know we're happy they were going away you mean they have a lifestyle. To maintain they have all -- hair you know they have to -- hair gel they invested. And another written about lake that the FaceBook litigation and they it ended at one of -- things -- -- once you've seen a movie about pumping it Kennelly taint their minds yeah so it's late in my head already knew what happened. So who's just like -- widely used by the movie and in. Holidays are you fill in court about his guilt that's the and a chat room are our legal expert I was hoping you're in here it's -- -- -- -- You know -- articles he did say that this'll be a tough thing to do one of the things you wave when you settle some -- is things you don't know about. And needed these items -- themselves. Discount when it more to you know maybe Mark Zuckerberg being a little -- -- or you know. Being a little negative up to it but he didn't say outright I -- screwing Harvard connect I'm stealing their idea just kind of thing on which in the monthly into my -- but even. That's -- Make yourself think the last make yourself here and if they're still building a room in the social network when. There. That Simpson guilty if the feminine but also on Minnesota that will probably affect a -- -- guys listening today. Twitter plans boulder advertisements tweeters looking into these advertisements along. The short messages that users see in their most active part of their social networking service. It would move to place promoted tweets in the mean -- stream of tweets on the service and I'm not a fan of this I know they need to make money. But -- and policy promoted tweet in my regular stream yen in the mean they're they're already know what's noise in my Twitter stream personally. That -- adding something else to that. Is. I don't know of a month terrified of this I mean though are really had again like you've that I want them to stay afloat find -- way to make money. But. You know it's this filling it's the seven things up people -- -- really necessarily want. Amendment Sony's service but I know they need to make my decline to quit the spamming or relational will be -- for the do. We're also -- raid arrays are raised the price you know something like upper -- Are trending topic 120000. Dollars in the paper turning to raise the price on that. Yeah I'm negative. Mexican at the Mike if -- -- money and make that received it attorney topic. Our current date with the -- and -- -- -- that happens. Both Delaware it's not okay guys. Obviously we had our interview with -- -- related -- a little shorter show but we're gonna jump over here into some of course it's news. New advancements in nano technology can help keep gadgets used. Without wall chargers you developments -- it -- a pronounced gets electric again I think it. While it's called perhaps the -- p.'s LP's all electric technology. At the RM IT university in Melbourne. They've created a thin and he's electric film that's cable turning taps or contact when you hit this film in this mechanical pressure into electricity. So the power of these -- Electric's could be integrated into things like. Running choose. -- then charge your mobile phones or even enable laptop to be powered by. Typing -- once we -- we type and hit the keys using that -- to convert that into power they even talk about using the blood pressure. As a source. Of pacemakers that's insane -- -- that is and in -- -- insane -- essentially -- an everlasting battery. Now on the you know the next step is really using these. -- still get so electric materials to generate enough electricity actually power -- power our electric devices so they getting their you know -- the trend. They've been able to at least pulls some -- but that's the whole dream to get the super thin battery that's -- -- -- contact services and then chance that -- devices. Great I -- India and the amount of energy that's generated -- I think there's. And -- -- lowering I thought I'd say -- you know putting a ton of energy into it is not a lot of information there. But you know to augment the -- like a matter if it can take your battery life. To you know if -- -- increased. That's what I'm thinking like the short term advantage here is -- if you receive a 20% increase in battery life because your touch screen now is giving your W battery a little bit of a June 3 kind of you know what -- In the look at the mile hybrid phone and -- way. And a methane like that kind of like these electric technology in some car tech stuff that we do when we fully -- a couple of weeks ago. Where -- with integrating this into -- -- one they have a rude. -- with like built on this very advanced sort of like glass that was you can drive or with a -- -- still had tracked that you needed. But as you drove over it it collected the energy and an after the vehicle going to engine to generate energy for the street -- Still we would have to. Pretty much cover our roads with this material that would transfer to cars blown tires fuel -- -- that the energy of the cars going over the road that download -- that would generate the electricity to run street lights of the new and have to. Burden the grade -- those. The -- would only I -- ideally they'll actually be on the cards are going down the room yeah yeah the -- also of interest -- -- of power saving things there. I'm just saying that it's not cool I see some -- in the phone into electronic theaters -- -- ignited at school. I go -- -- -- -- and I I I love -- -- by. But it does -- -- dangling op it's split about a bad. Plug in what I mean it could power -- like -- Nike plus. I know I unity after please those of a couple of months because of battery -- and then an hour -- the -- but if you -- it's due to had a built in and life. And it's ours it's still the lifetime with you that's that's money but I'm saying. Clone I will even -- -- of course you include your phone -- -- and put -- into your jacket. Yet you know there -- -- the shoe line that created speakers. Built into the issue they elect plug in with an aux input. Like your iPod or MP3 player to -- from -- from here. Your entire idea yeah if I give further -- for me than believe I'm saying look it up guys from dot DAD game like today MP3 related issues I am dead serious I have with the and I -- man it's cool it's ridiculous. It's just ridiculous okay -- you our happy ending friends. Interstate said he -- only five sign warns of zombies. Going to this story coming out of -- -- eighteen the exit her read it nightly lane closures. Zombies. Ahead. -- I was apparently hacked yeah apparently. Apparently it would seem that way by out of you guys know I'm a zombie in previous. Something like that would put me on -- -- And if you would you just flip you know let -- out -- in just turn the other way over into would you probably prepared for the apocalypse. What I'm pretty apparent breakdown was publicly that -- are -- prepared with survival skills like what that -- -- -- labels. Outdoor survival -- public -- procurement. Okay so it by -- you like survive off the grid. Will what -- -- it needs to be smart enough to be not be big irony you're Alice and about a -- against armies I mean if it is only good news from more of them. Before if I hold my a year I can win you get to survive yeah I'm -- -- -- tactic is to tunnel. Tunnel is my little claw like hands and tunnel the unit that. I can't even argue that logic yeah. -- do it so it's still not logical that I don't even have an ecological responses that. -- -- That's -- saying okay. We've heard nothing -- let's go to got a feedback -- -- hear from you guys screw you. -- If if -- -- -- all right here's a -- voice -- comes to us from an anonymous caller who's worried. What will happen with his third letter. The poster it was -- -- just comment about -- ISP letters her you know downloading. I befriend. Who -- -- got back up close and personal are not so effective. The second one. A little bit more but it still waiting. Northeast of legitimacy he that it's three strikes you're out actually -- itself. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Thousands slip right there half moon -- in his voice mail he's -- you know that. We talked about a couple episodes now -- you know the ISPs. Might will be partly in planning to partner with like content creators of music labels and and PA to -- warning letters. If you violate you know or you're downloading legal movies and this gentleman -- called -- who -- reveal the name. Is talking about his quote unquote roommate. And then he says I am still waiting for that they're not mean he is still waiting for the latter. We -- interrupts him yeah we know -- criminal mastermind that. All right onto the emails come pre dispersal and in this is kind of some information we've got from buzzed down on the table as -- happy Friday. Below is an email sent to -- good friends from EUK this is. From BioWare slash. I'm thinking of just -- a billboard on -- -- -- by just posting -- and though there just to save. The hackers all the trouble keep the -- -- up love the show and it appears that according to BioWare and EA they learn that -- -- -- hackers gained. Unauthorized access to a decade old -- -- server supporting the Neverwinter Nights forums but it was and they're able to stop. And protect the consumer's data but they did determine that no credit card data was compromised nothing like Social Security numbers the investigation showed that. User names encrypted passwords emails mail addresses names phone numbers and CDs could have been compromised so. If you are -- to be on the forum server were never winter night was occurring and you might be in trouble. And the definitely -- information. -- -- it. I guess you know again. Piggybacking on the compromise compromise compromise news that can happen over the -- and things like small. Small Kinchen with a really big armor and perceived security that we have it. Faith -- -- that even if the -- In his outward like the sense of time but this now we hear about excellence now like -- another one OK next story but it -- -- one lets you guys know that you know. RE -- BioWare users -- with analog stuff but. -- get your information Korea all right here's another email. The Sony comes to us from Allen in Minneapolis an episode 1495. -- complain that your Android phone doesn't. Just where as the iphone's do you just -- you know Apple's issues tend to be more severe and life and I've been purchasing our have been iPhone users for two generations now. Currently using the iPhone -- during that time we've had a phone locked up. To need a hard hard reset from the Apple Store which included a bios flash then one of our iPhone speakers -- out twice in six months which -- we need a new phone each time backing it up and restore it. Next the iTunes player stop working suddenly who currently go into Apple Store yet again. So the solution could re reinstall some elements of the OS not -- what he did. Recently had an issue where suddenly my iPhone would sink until I deleted all my voice -- I recently made without the ability to back the -- This doesn't include the countless times I need to restart applications because they suddenly -- and brought back from hibernation -- is it's a machine. The solution for Apple to take it to the Apple Store to get it fixed drive -- -- personally -- to beef extract called. The Android solution seems like more work but I they could probably -- -- faster than the time it takes to drive to an Apple Store for me thirty minutes my next phone. Will be an Android -- in Minneapolis. We wanted to give them some of -- -- complain about or Droid two like animals on -- Apple partly due why. Indiana you know -- -- -- like every other week I have an issue with mine thunderbolt. And -- -- -- into the screening room just like Dan and I and I you get your mile yeah and and an active Internet. Yeah -- But this thing I don't I don't think you do. I have of come to realize that about. Then -- 5% of mice use an iPhone or things that I've done -- because you might appreciate it into the ivory edited because that -- and boldly gingerbread rom where the and an -- gingerbread kernel -- -- my phone -- to make phone calls and -- -- -- -- that idea -- could attract a flash in OS while standing in line too -- X or -- -- X-Men also earth class that oh yeah and brick my phone and line -- while they've been doing that Yahoo! to do that I didn't I read it without click you know what I'm gonna change back over to. To -- antigen mod is running in line without a laptop. Election -- -- -- goes wrong as part -- it -- -- it worked time before. -- -- But I mean you know you do have that freedom in their freedom comes at a cost them to -- and sometimes you glad you do we think that'd I don't know if they that the knowledge received the things he did her -- that -- -- -- in my case yeah. Is usually me. I don't you know we're not saying that every phone doesn't have its -- -- Sometimes it's I do we did point out that the support from -- site can be you know there's stores you can go directly to. If you really -- a prominent that adults like. Some of the times -- get -- -- six opera on those when someone -- -- -- it just works well. Sometimes the process and support behind -- itself. There you go okay guys we are done on this Friday tinkering with us on we wanted to -- big things again to -- CEO and founder. Of light show for coming out you guys can take out our show notes at -- well -- cnet.com. Call us at 806 -- 663. 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