Ep. 1496: Goodbye to the Winklevii

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Today is Thursday June 23 2011 -- -- -- -- -- -- I'm Donald bell that I have Hollywood -- about -- -- podcast of indeterminate length of that they've 1496. Don't worry the adults that -- the Brian Tong. Will still be apart -- -- -- he's actually at home on Skype right now. There is. Little. -- about. Expect and we can't wait a minute -- Wednesday may elect a little like that Max Headroom bare bones and then now. He special via with it we -- it we need a drop that called it a act. Natalie -- -- Wednesday -- -- line -- will look. Guys back. Leo thank god additive. Feel. I know it okay -- Cali showed -- the thank goodness I welcome back in later. And -- that I'm -- Already the best seller -- -- -- -- -- It it's a wake up soon we have -- -- Jeffrey today at any point now do any second to caffeine and the sugar when looking at Donald found on the ground -- the -- -- -- video -- -- fine with -- -- -- -- dedicated it we're gonna have a we're gonna get it together yet. I without question an immediate Gallagher. Refrigerator being delivered or -- -- -- data about movement in Apple and back on the right. We India -- is the there's -- reason they cancel that show. There's also reason -- idiot and. -- -- -- -- -- news.com has an exclusive today about how some of the top ISPs a group of men with providers including AT&T Comcast and Verizon. Are closer than ever to striking a deal with media and entertainment company is that would essentially. Allow them to start implementing graduated. Response. Procedures. To stop web piracy -- -- graduated response or. Back when we called it three strike. The patent that thing where they need is more it is more striking an -- graduated -- maybe there's like ten yet another could be like as many strikes at the you know three or stop it. The authority know we mean it isn't that we mean at this time. Before without any due process whatsoever they just -- -- Internet although they don't have to figure out the Internet they can just slow down your band with speeds dramatically. I mean on the one hand you could see -- -- -- and we -- right weaving the consumer. Well I mean how are they how they would mean if it is that a torrent based system -- -- -- kind of seeing what kind of -- that the -- years or the -- amount of the mount that you're downloading that's keeping them -- That's that's the scary thing about it right -- not legally defined. They contracted by the IP addresses connected through the service is using but at the end of the day we don't exactly know -- Why we're getting or India saying okay they could start up the -- or notice -- -- a new another warning down the road and then it's really got to choose how they want utilizing. Like you said you know throttled your bandwidth or shut down -- service and they're the ones oversight it's not really you know there working with the -- that content creators labels. But the highest pupil that's an -- control lists and. The way it has been proposed before is that the ISPs respond to copyright claims by the content owners so you are accused. Of piracy. That that. There are several reasons that critics. A graduate to respond and or three strikes laws. Oppose them one is that it doesn't necessarily allow for due process. It just lets the copyright it -- basically a private industry accuse you of violating the law and that requires NI -- to act on that. But the other reason that people have been concerned about these laws aren't there -- -- and -- These are not laws is to be clear the other -- concerned about these policies is that it potentially opens the door for ISPs to do packet level inspections on your traffic the traffic as being delivered to your home. Right now all it sounds like it is still based on accusations from content owners. And not necessarily of them monitoring the traffic coming in at your house but it's sort of a slippery. As -- it doesn't -- -- can you know of all the things that have been threatened against -- you know pirating our Iranian downloading movies legally allowed however you wanted to find that. -- sued into oblivion scary yeah you know. Being sued for powering music and are ordered and downloading now Hurt Locker -- whatever it is like that area but. Getting a warning letter from an IS PU -- Are you gonna are you gonna stop it they say you literally you would that would at least opera you would still I'm not I'm not the record I'm not doing anything -- I conclude I didn't say hypothetically. Back to your defensive I didn't even say I see your finger wag on -- -- your finger -- Nowak re -- -- in the human -- can do your finger -- and actual -- I've been here we've bigger writing founder and they're saying you're a little. You have anything well okay -- Okay I mean there's there's no question that this would be as great -- -- out of potentially one of the most potent antipiracy strategies ever implemented right of anything is going to basically stop it. It is probably I -- he's saying. Look if you are accused multiple times of copyright violation. You'll be -- you'll have your bandwidth throttled or you'll get kicked up -- and that is. To some extent it's a very logical approach -- to people were providing the -- -- isn't to say. You've been accused of this over and over and over and we're gonna we're gonna take this. Action against you the problem is that they're not they're not the law -- it's forcing private industry to do the work of law. And that a little uncomfortable if it actually can do about it -- -- -- especially uncomfortable if they start sniffing your traffic. If they're thankful that that found them comfortable yeah often that it will -- if the food. We don't you talk about company I guess it's into law in -- ice is and that's kind of what. The content creators and the labels want right because they're not necessarily going to be the ones who work force and is -- -- be telling the -- -- on it. How far the eyes he's gonna jump on this and really push hard to beat the quote unquote in -- -- out numbers out -- -- -- -- -- it's not every one. And the national cable telecommunications industry are signed on -- -- like Time Warner Cable Cablevision Charter Communications Comcast and q.s. That's sound like they're on board but some of these smaller ISPs are going to you know get into bed with with a major motion picture and music labels. Well and as an account for you know. Services like you know the wife -- a -- or somebody who's gonna be you know using someone else's network to download content that. -- -- happy -- content and then the person providing that. The Wi-Fi or that the connection in -- eyes and -- punished for. And a -- -- that's a -- with -- with IP address. Targeting also mean you know often use IP addresses to target potential and printers and we know that that -- can be applied system also. And the other thing it doesn't account for -- like Intel -- streaming. -- be extremely hard to prove you know that you were illegally streaming. Without that packet level inspection are without actually tracking what web sites you visit and streaming has become an ever more popular ways to pirate content. And the reason -- somebody that Arab descent as -- -- legal matter it's not right. But the fact is it's a legal matter in -- circumvent due process because you're being accused of -- When me and say that you have violated copyright and instead of handling that in the court. And in the court system they're asking private industry to enforce. The law against stealing content is is gonna go on the same permanent record they talked about -- high school among. I don't wanna be -- -- permanent record -- rhetoric and come up all the time that's not the law ought to worry about -- permanent map permanent record right. -- -- They -- pathetic I mean -- You know it'll be part of I find it concerning because I think -- agreements due process to an -- I find it concerning that the ISPs might find themselves very -- -- mean the fact is I've been have been bullied into this has been common for yours like having -- column. 34 years ago thing that -- we're gonna end up in this position in it was you know almost certainly getting -- here met the next step after this its content filtering. And I do not want that to happen when my -- -- and not for piracy reasons. For private key reason you know. And it's very exciting when NBC and call -- together. -- -- -- Yeah Aaliyah I know that's an immediate heavy -- and -- It was probably inevitable but I puts them on a little -- watch lists him and it's matter of time for. You know. Los advises that if they think Digg content filtering yet then I'm -- -- -- will not be happening and then let there be Darknet if he's -- lower. I there's more Apple patent news today Apple is granted a another patent today. This one covers multi tests multi touch gestures. That allow you to pinch and zoom or interact with a frame. Within -- display but not affect the main display so basically like. You can zoom in on an area of Google Maps but it wouldn't change the entire display of the browser them on an iPhone for example. So there's. There's a couple there seem to be conflicting legal views about this patent out there in the tech universe. No no no -- -- big enough a MacWorld quoted several legal experts -- said that they thought it was an excessively broad patent. Mainly because they have at least in one case that this Florian Miller -- -- patent expert he's just totally opposed to software patents in general. But that that it excessively -- could be a potential adamant in an impediment to innovation until December 20/20 seven. Masters the -- vice president rely on policy also said it seems to be very broad patent. But -- -- Patel over this is my next has write up I mean he's very good breakdown of patent. That share office like some of the Japanese written on Apple and times and it's like it's great and it's you know it's required reading because he's a lawyer -- actually goes in and like. Goes well Bubba bullet his contention is that this is in fact a very narrow patent -- -- -- to be freaking out about it. That's the worst case scenario is that is to -- as a patent on multi touch with an album when. Yet general yet and it had. Even though this specific example is like multi touch within a window within the browser it could be expanded on being multi touch with and a tablet. In a touch interface engine. And then it would revealed he could be applied -- -- two different. Cases where competitors these multi touch on the tablet on -- and that's the fear like it'll still be interacting with any smaller displays that doesn't affect the main display. And that part is at least narrow but light yet the patent was granted on. This. One or two -- gestures. Within this one frame and it was pretty narrow but then they've tried to there is language in the patent. That attempts to broaden the language by saying it changes the specific number of fingers to the variables and an M so that it's just like. Hey you interact of the main interface display using however many fingers. Then you interact -- -- frame within that display using -- figures in a way that doesn't Alter the main display and to get pretty. Yet they need to -- -- fingers. Then -- -- -- how many fingers are we talking about specifically. To prevent it. As usual though we have no idea what Apple do with that there are involved in like nine different locked into nine different company -- so who knows but. If this is -- eleven finger patent. I think we can just -- -- -- that's the -- that's the biggest thing here right how is Apple and you'll be used is you know extensively in the litigation they literally pursue them at all because we've seen an at least you know. Our in the past when the articles are probably used it you know against Microsoft whenever atom in emulating their iPod interface that Microsoft -- and also. Like the wave out windows started looking at with our -- climbs and there will steal the windows now -- We got to see if Apple's gonna be that -- big bully and really try. Again. -- -- -- -- Enjoy the show I. -- -- and -- and. -- -- Where. And I think it might down. Phillips beat him for a gallon and they're handling plenty of runaway immediately backed it -- shut off the button that. Allows them but what is that in this that this. Think it actually this is the crux of it -- is that patents like these create uncertainty -- which generally leads to negotiations. And -- patent lawyers for Apple show up with a big stack of accordion files Google's lawyers come with their stack commend these backroom crichton. Patent cross licensing things begin to like I said that's still is just like -- vilified in opera they're two giants who can do this like. The software patents across the board on matters like -- the idea for this to go like this but I'm not patenting the technology. Does the behavior and that is totally. It creates a huge barrier barrier of entry I think the small businesses who want to get into the touch screens and whatever money is just the Apple -- we live in it leaves need to get on board. Apparently I do you never really had -- IV -- like I did not Alter my whole entire world you'd like her it. Yes I have -- -- on the content owners lane and at Apple's world communal. However. It'd be it'd be could be bad is via slow -- -- a few he adopted that'd be pretty boring now and luckily for me US district judge -- Hamilton is striking a blow. Maybe. For her first emperor rationality in this world coming to give McCall and has suggested that she will probably rule against Apple. In Apple's bid to stop Amazon from using the term apps -- the -- -- We do is drying up topic I a little lower case I in front App Store and -- make it their own again soon then at that thing up -- -- lawsuits. They should have been the I App Store to beacon and where it is that's their own probably in the victory at the -- -- let in the -- in. Is that after hearing that she's probably going to deny the motion because Apple has not demonstrated confusion. Among consumers see they have not they although they have said like we haven't we managed -- Trademarked the phrase of course. Rubber -- That people aren't sitting there -- like. App Store from of the lot I don't -- -- another and hoping instead of a plate -- I got apps at the store. -- -- -- -- -- -- iPhone to the -- a lot -- I I I think I assume too much. From humanity while apparently though sometimes they can actually get it right there like created a store where you get apps but doesn't have to -- -- Apple. -- Canada when they and I hope that they'll be with a final ruling -- third of that right now I'm I'm leaning toward. You screw up Alice sent me free iPad I could think differently and LA galaxy get leg bag that -- -- when they show but there accordion file which holds seventeen iPad news. The outer bands of tomorrow. And then in other news or go to break our long national nightmare is over -- -- A liner bosses. I've decided -- long and. It dropped their case against -- but. If they're gonna and if they give out -- gunnery -- a tiny tiny modicum. Of dignity. And not take this being to the US Supreme Court man can imagine a PC -- though when it slammed the door on -- equal plain of Ferrari's and take. -- -- If you're not gonna run -- uttered these billion dollars and ultimately in a we have a hundred million. Fox. -- Fertility. Imagine what I'm -- live line it with the -- with the last wine of the winkle -- could being. Could -- they said that after careful consideration. And the mockery of millions. That they will not impact filed their petition with the Supreme Court based but that we can that in -- is closed for a long time. And we're pleased that -- that the other party now agrees that now the -- busses will have to take their. Shares through their original settlement then worth 65 million dollars now worth a hundred million dollars -- to -- -- and there -- -- and -- I'm warning you. About the via which I mean. I guess they -- -- being a little bit of a bummer for you if you you're entitled to the Julian. And I'm just and the one idea. On the idea that yeah well I'm so that it's got the gold plated. Yes you know it makes it you have -- anyway enemy can definitely. And it's not bend easily to and yes it's not cracked open -- for felony with regular bird. Couldn't. I really think quick break when we come back. Game -- -- pop -- -- get the billion dollars of its own all those unlocked iphones on T-Mobile and. Why it might be okay to be obvious after. Welcome back about a lot of -- and I'm Molly Wood here with Donald bell Brian Tong has left the room. Steve is a man -- the board as usual but we're gonna smack at him impression -- I'll have more. That a little bit of breaking news actually that was just -- in the chat room. FaceBook apparently it said that Netflix CEO Reed Hastings has joined its board of directors -- Which is kind of interesting. Although there are several other Silicon Valley media heavyweight on the board of -- but including Netscape founder mark and -- PayPal offender Peter Biehl. And then other people but that. Dishing out the lot of -- aluminum it is it really is via. But what could you don't need a lot of these things don't mean anything right I mean like usually the board of directors -- doesn't lend itself like any kind of partnership with the companies but. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Also. Apparently according to multiple sources now. Electronic arts may be the mystery buyer who is bidding up to one billion dollars for pop cap games. The company that you've never heard of but they make plans for zombies and -- -- -- the company responsible for your crushing addiction. This is probably one of one of them and Atlantic waste all diet another started an online -- -- I think it announced that. Epithet that. The story is really about mine went Ethan -- map that -- And that's what we're not sure there's electronic arts say could be using don't. -- -- -- It could be -- was they actually seem to be the most likely buyer FaceBook connect it could be anybody. B jeweled and plans for Islamic I had no -- -- this is it doesn't fill. Testament view. That crazy power of casual addictive games they're like Dick they're like we'd like people just. And they're actually them well you -- you -- noted that he could go hand in hand right as we're we're now in the more we deregulate marijuana the more of these that casual gaming start to blossom and their popularity rank it could be a can be tied together. That's -- game entrance via. -- -- -- -- Anyway we'll see what happens about that is a pretty serious at the pretty Theres a position though -- turned -- to be a billion dollars. Here's the bubble only casual game theory is -- now. Apparently Nokia held that they had an event and there were at the Nokia CEO Steve Indianapolis Oprah's big crowd of people menus -- K can you guys put your phone's weight because I'm not please -- and super secret. So everyone pitted and no news came out about it all. If anybody's -- super secret. Don't edit -- with fourteen ferry that super confidential a look at the super confidential Bing appears to me then new Windows Phone. Looks just like a Nokia N nine but if the Windows Phone in its code named the array. And I think it's you lastly and I know it's not -- the -- but it. It sounds a little game that you know and -- -- a -- them and -- you implement the new and suddenly it's like knowing. Maybe maybe you need to tune in to see -- -- that may be that new phenomena and and maybe a Leven Filo for theoretically it could. Anyway it it appears to be running Windows Phone 7 mango as well so. Hopefully that's not a total death knell for -- amigo and nine but let's be honest with pretty much -- at the -- and. T-Mobile reports that it is carrying over one million. Unlocked Apple iphones in case you're wondering though at and we have wondered like how many people want to use there unlocked iphones on T-Mobile edge network and they don't have -- EG. Over a million of them because you know -- and. Let's do it in completely can you can get a cheaper plan -- Let. It's an interesting health and his instinct he mobile news that so but so much of the T-Mobile news is just like we're in the process of -- being gobbled up. This -- hey we're still here which though you know relevant and important -- Out of it it also leads to speculation out because it was that discussion of Apple is now selling mine back on anything. And -- anti -- Now. But ideally senior cheaper than having to get it from eBay for like 900 dollars. Google may be gone after Skype according to Stephen -- and over at CNET news.com apparently they are building in -- have an open source project called web RTC. And they're trying to integrate audio and video chat into the Chrome browser who. I know. I agree the only thing -- -- Headline actually it had that -- -- -- -- Apparently Google has hopes that the web argued the only be used well beyond Gmail because obviously they did they do Gmail chat and -- would probably start doing Gmail video chat. But they're hoping will become an in our incarnation of a new web standard for -- videoconferencing and peer to peer communications. Which seems to be a good defensive move for them to make considering the home except by connecting via -- will all be running Chrome -- -- now. Next year anyway if that's the Edmonton feature and video chat or -- -- -- book. This is cool about I don't know if I'll ever use -- video chat with you gotta live in the future -- -- -- the future. About the video phone lets get you don't have kids -- -- -- -- -- -- and I can see it being used for if I put the grandparents and -- -- And -- the seamless off. Analysts estimate that. He should have an event that you though he hires and it. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- If your current job requirement tested he's getting his own reflection on -- The game. The direct and they actually they won't want to see you know only one indicate that that you ought to be up there all being witnessed -- -- the -- -- you know under guard and now -- camera. Eye and I'm totally excited about this that would connect and I thickening. I don't know why it is but it is always -- -- there's always an update. And then the video only work half the time every time -- -- -- my dad it's literally like to our profit -- to reinstall anchor hugged. It and -- -- is really doing it if I'm. And that it would be so great of -- -- -- be like it is really going to fire -- Chrome and have something works and it's remarkable -- were rampant I all the news has been really boring compared the specs are. Boring music like there's a new it's -- -- that it is its its pleasure going through it all with you appreciate things that we get to the sites I doubt that. And this story which I actually love. According to. -- the -- and a story out of Australia and and IT worker at ABC. The broadcaster. -- at least surreptitiously installed a bit point farming server on ABP is corporate network. Is she says that. You're like Pena and you you know and system I need to arm them -- -- to mind the big point here. And my home network is it's not fast enough to process the average is probably for this sort CBS IT department is to make sure if they are doing the same thing generated -- -- that he believes it out only decommission a server from it being your between farm -- -- continued. It definitely -- it is malaria. -- -- -- -- of corporate communications would not comment on the specific matter that that there's a serious misconduct case under way. In relation to mr. In the anti tamper and -- named eight point miner which uses idle computer processing power to generate subsequent can be exchanged for. Think that -- probably not a good idea. I hope they definitely don't do it opens declines as though we're something it's not. But that the -- -- will be -- -- will be. -- next step knew that -- cannot wait for. PCI express -- they can get -- the 32 Gigabit per second speeds by 2013 null. Boom. That is video editing -- and about it and that the next record a lot of music and at into the data back everything up that -- drives and everything. And after like -- collect thirty minutes sometimes -- announced -- -- All right by now -- when he thirteen and and that -- -- By now you -- when he thirteen if there's not like a giant huge war between thunderbolt amendments new. If true super fast transfer standard. And port and port confusing -- Now I mean chemical it's targeting consumer applications and extra any tablet and laptop in particular at the -- variety of PTI expressed. And we'll start up based on the three data back and when he thirteen and then move on to PCI express four point now and potentially. Optical do you -- And then you'll be telling him -- kids -- Hyatt that we thirty minutes to back. Nice yeah yeah yeah and now they're around a week. I am actually happy to hear that there's a competing -- -- there's an alternate standard in coming because now that Apple's is like. Stamped it yes stand at the -- -- thunderbolt permanently it's gonna get to know that there may be something a little. Like when they went all firewire widgets will have USB -- the rest of the -- now that -- expenses -- that the brand power of thunderbolts. You know that's where they get yeah seriously everytime Intel invests on the company -- in 1988. It that it does yeah definitely even the graphic is that -- graphic -- the -- that the e-book but that's the problem -- this sounds amazing in the consumer application for this is -- in terms of like the video transfer quota transfer specially we have those giant like. -- -- Blank files you know image files and every -- a light that was in the entire image. We're gonna need fast transfers but this story everything about it -- -- -- are humans and an analog just screams like boring but you look at Ellington. But it's them it's not boring. Thunderbolts. The process that it. An alien whatever you like to borrow up to I tomorrow they'll build -- public cooler name I hope please please -- name between now and -- -- thirteen. Bad news for -- car -- More good news security -- balloon loan. -- up here because now you have a serious collectors edition that Tesla Roadster. Is reaching and of the line Tesla announced that it will stop taking orders for the roadster in the US and about two months because it's focusing on the model. Electric sedan which is a more print -- Value Green minded. Billionaires out there. We get to roadster is now. Roadster and you gotta be baguette into the billions moment that Italy -- under 9000 but -- they'll tell us down a billion that -- be -- amount of money that is disposable like and and and even though the battery gonna last opera. -- -- practical little. Green car. -- -- -- -- They were never intending for it to be a huge seller or even really have a persistent it would always a proof of concept about their ability to make Islam -- electric cars. Yet while -- -- sexy up the idea of an electric car yet right I think that was the biggest thing that the test the roster. Brought to. Our art our consciousness gas and electric cars -- just like -- golf carts. Thank god abrupt enter content and I have to say the model left with hot. -- with -- I mean it's -- really pretty expensive it's 50000 dollars but. It if you're in the market for that level of of costly it's that it does the good looking cards also silent like if you aren't like that kind sadistic person want to dislike mowed down -- in the -- this that the car do we -- we did -- intense violence is particularly twisted. Sensibility of. That's that's that's the best. And inflict Amish thing you're welcome. I look into the cricket. You. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- American Express and foursquare have announced a partnership to provide discounts to Amex cardholders who checked in using foursquare from participating shop and restaurant and I have to admit. That I have an Amex that I never use an embarrassment of report wearable and I found out about ten dollars back for spending 75 but that eighteen -- I really thought seriously about. Fired -- both of those suckers. That's -- good or twenty dollars back for spending fifty dollars at ports authority. And then discounts from a much different. Good idea that idea and that's when it is if you -- the kind of person who is its. Sick of having to explain to people the differences in actual four G -- -- security care. -- now -- in front of congress called the next generation wireless disclosure act that would force carriers to explain this means there -- their advertised -- G. Networks which would be off earth. Highly unlikely you'll still poly after explained that he is still update my wall because they'll make it as confusing as possible and we'll talk about the Eden of this -- the transfer it -- whatever animal. It'll be baffling but at least it won't be like a lie and didn't open it up Canada and I went down -- -- mobile -- that old and it. -- right now mostly lives hopefully feature not to be like. Google I think Google in a first for their effort for -- Google has an. Today -- -- Monday even -- that there's a good look at one billion unique visitors. In May for the first time ever one billion. Unique visitors to Google especially notable the fact that Google beat FaceBook. -- the milestone accident doesn't seem that notable considering that Google have been around a lot on her and suddenly has. A big a way bigger reach and and usefulness factor -- base but but. Big hope that -- of the like. -- but in machine in effect -- -- DPP. Because that's because of the last Paul doodle. And actually it probably is that they. Seriously every -- I know it may get on the Internet and other. Like five time. I bad news for -- -- one and police are saying that they narrative there -- going to be charging. On the alleged. -- -- -- -- -- Five counts of violating British law in regards cyber attacks and Cleary aged nineteen was arrested yesterday. And -- -- what I'm assuming -- British -- -- this. I think that because everything British as the funniest names ever for example here that you accused of launching media attacks against the -- -- organized crime agency. We get that -- -- -- and office with a serious organized time. -- oh you like -- you will not meant. With the theory organized crime agency all. The international federation of the photographic industry -- the British pornographic industry. We have special siren and months. And you're here that he'd been charged in a little like an all in in the operating -- There's so mean about better understand how important it. According to conquer the iPad on 97%. Of the US tablet -- topic that is here. There -- the and I gotta work harder in giving some better scores this -- competing. Allan if it can make that MI category theme I get my game category 91 product let out a product that it. -- -- I am the house and the CR for tablets. I add more -- the wider net. The public. I didn't give the government will -- among -- and hold number they'd be. Who dialog left -- last. Number -- territory of the day. If interstate ten people inner -- here. The world's first self propelled and at stopping device the -- the entire -- just -- track in mere hours. And looks kind of like little interest in -- capsule doesn't it -- exactly like it it's hysterical it's an adjustable camera previous iterations. Relied on natural muscle contractions to move them through the body. But this which -- called them mermaid don't try to get a thank you name it -- -- Actually. Then they'll. My favorite story about Internet out of a funny thing is eight bit scared him the scares the hell -- representing more scared Martin Short and are now part that is clear is great and -- -- and -- and. Clinton. It. We will not discuss we will not discuss insertion -- never let this thing. But it actually. Read this problem that didn't go to -- in the -- -- here in -- about how frankly although being a girl not always. The death from. I'm happy the that. If the main thing it's self propelled there -- could help ease the strain on patients. And detect heart disease cancers earlier than was previously well buried. Elvis cities' public probably that he is that -- Contained. In the -- and -- click. And -- if the thing about a third of politically. We've we've said all we actually Kenya. My like my mind went down three different roads and to turn back and they know they don't move I admire yours strain ally in now I really do. Are we actually had a voice mail about -- next story but apparently. And -- man. Driving a horse and buggy was arrested this week in Indiana for apparently sexting. A -- With this thing well while trying about the crime and -- let that -- a -- -- accounts. -- Even those or somebody you really should be technically required while you're driving it really didn't pay attention stepping -- -- a minor yet made it turns out the outside of the story appears to be. That you can be ommission Philby even -- While you know if somebody really need to -- that -- -- million Drupal. And it -- texting while driving after that out there around a nightly at the dashboard things that they are excellent at least a horse though might have the since not to run offers -- Maybe maybe. Apparently the Amish do you use technology frequently and consider gadgets and a case by case basis. It's actually not that surprising how they they. Interviewed CNN interviewed at tech expert. Who spent more than a year living in homage to medium and -- and -- its community by community pretty much via the -- out to be something else. New. Something or you can find -- Pacific this pathetic third -- -- Community to do it -- I'll have to adopt an insult another. You know off the grid religious sect and economics now and now -- interview he talked about how they were actually ahead of the game when -- -- to agricultural techniques. They were you know but the electricity some groups they electricity -- off limits period. Other groups might allow electricity -- and it can't get exactly solar charging. Yeah I don't know what I can't shake the mental image of the texting while -- and bagging. And it's really. I really can't see the -- -- -- morning Amish guy where's the money. You just want to think anything -- panther party nomination generals like really is making my brain short circuit. And -- it happened according option -- That's perfect that's a sex if you will that you're going to join that -- -- -- -- that a you. -- went to live in that little blue. He got rid of that and then can we really you guys talk for a minute yeah you don't move -- Against those who beat you they're doing things. -- weird domain with -- got about. I -- yesterday I begged I begged that nice man from the US patent office to please call and explain how on earth. Apple could have been granted a patent that essentially covers touch screens. And was filed or in 2007 and sure enough he responded with let them up -- -- like -- -- And he goes through this is Bruce became a -- patent -- the patent monkey calling in about the Apple patent application that just issued as for years request. Now for sort of talk about Molly Wood interpretation -- -- claim language because it is not completely correct. While -- was talking about single touch manipulation of screen pretty upon that's when in actuality it and it's specifically envisions -- multi touch. Manipulation of the screen. And with a -- dozens and filing date that's about right at the in some consumer devices now. Apple might actually have a legitimate claim if there is another company that had similar RI hope they do come forward. And it's invalidated for the same time. There's always times where people try to copy Apple's interfaces because they're usually spot on an accurate right from the so other than that I love the work keep of the good work and if I did a bunch of bananas for this than I would like to requested in your -- -- -- form. -- -- We will totally -- radio Nana although to be clear the patent abstract says. That it is an end finger translation gesture where and -- algebra is an undefined number of fingers. -- -- and the whole entire thing but that was where it came from where it is definitely. Touching them. With I'm -- -- -- -- I've been asked to be a limit and could be like and less than ten. I can't be an infinite number of fingers -- -- -- of -- basically wanna cover early -- does -- -- highly broad patent that covers. Touch screen functionality and portable devices and maybe but thank you for calling in I think part of what. As usual part of what is appalling about these things is that now it's four years later in this technologies in more than widespread use and it's certainly relieve it and but we'll see about that will -- up prior aren't -- The film and -- on -- but thank you Bruce that was both Cogent. And clear. And. -- -- -- -- I and then met we love we -- testers. Our next caller has an inside tip on a product that I'm pretty and. Open to stretch to call on the episode which -- -- -- -- -- -- Got news -- the major retailer receipt department just received administration unit of entry to -- -- -- -- picture -- -- -- it department but. Currently but they're like part -- you -- week the most. -- -- -- Raul. -- do think governments and merely instinct I get a flop because that's that I -- -- but it it it has potential. More iPad like I think maybe he'll be only iPad only have 96% of the market -- Maybe -- -- -- -- Send us your questions before we get into your email email us or call us and -- questions about -- -- The cool like technology that -- light field photography technology that we talked about yesterday because. The CEO. And inventor of the technology ranking is going to be on the show in live in our studio tomorrow. To talk about it and hopefully I'll hopefully be hammered. In the general the full line dissertation about like it that's as ingenious and really has invented I think -- game changer photographer photography so. Good job Brian -- and is completely public tell them that they want Obama. And maybe you -- -- is excited about that he wants to go back to its entire photo collection. Act on it yet he he does instance and you want so I guess this is about the victory for the show and analyze it did -- -- -- awkward moment ever in the -- out of studio in I don't wanna -- -- -- do of those than them. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- It. -- -- -- Okay anyway yellow we'll find out if there they can be imported and then somehow changed after the fact and anyway send a question and fast and grant threat in Cuba that cnet.com and -- only Apple users would think -- many partitioned part of your hard drive called recovery is a nice feature. Welcome to the 1990s OS-X lion users. Compaq had template years ago -- every other. Just -- and on unrecoverable hardware failure and no physical recovery disk on hand to reinstall -- -- has anyone else thought that this could be the new Apple forced death -- upgrade path. -- -- -- -- -- -- Who. Announce an -- -- is that it is possible that -- -- could prompt users to creator covered this just like windows. Who actually does not include -- top maker. Well -- I didn't -- point. I think there there is like an advantage though that you can't -- marched down to your local genius much of your computer that computer. An Al -- I actually think that it might give we've got we got kind of the genius is now the recovery disk. -- -- -- -- I mean you can do a dvd here at some guy ever is certainly and I'm sure that you will be able to make bad as or -- up to -- prior to do that the right now I'm Brian Powell like. I'm surprised at how concerned people are about that because the email just keeps flooding -- yet it's clearly I got third if I get something maybe Apple -- address in some form and finish. But they want -- -- next and here's some Scott I -- saying love the show I'd like to comment on the notion that Apple's stuff just works -- -- -- computer user and not a lot of people know this but. But Apple's not the only companies out there that provides -- comprehend the screen reader into all of its products. Based Apple bunnies is no longer have to -- just that but the by piece of hardware and then spend hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars on third -- -- meter. I just wish that it would not not just Apple doing this as Molly said Apple's stuff just works publish -- In the -- I didn't have no idea it for them. And Travis threats in and says quite a few times in the -- as you mentioned how you contribute a fair amount of a usage to listeners and viewers data plan. We'll boredom has led me to do some math on this and here are the results. The average audio only podcasts is 27 point 79 -- that five days a week comes -- -- a 138 point nine by meg. Add to that the average length of the best of show until we get fourteen point 88 megs and you guys -- 153. Point 83 megabits per week. That's 615. Point 32 -- the month on just the audio podcast. God knows how much alive through menus I mean -- wanting to just stream the completed podcast on AT&T better not be and the fifteen dollar 200 megabyte plan. Or you would cost them over ages of sixty dollars a month. Assuming they did nothing else. Outs -- me. And -- says and I love them. You the last ten episodes excluding the lost episode of the show using Google -- some form and numbers in -- someone decides to plus one -- me inject my and a -- You totally prepared yourself and a good job. -- from Jerry that's the saying. Jerry is with you moaning he too has the Droid X and ever since the gingerbread -- it has been a keen. Buggy and Maggie in randomly restart several times a day. I recently with the Windows Phone phone and I loved it it was so smooth and unified way as -- at times it feels all over the place. I really don't blame for lusting after a beautiful well put together to buy -- like an iPhone I'm pretty sure that I'm jumping ship with Nokia releases the WP seven devices. Then jumping back and -- because on this certain features. It never and maintenance all caps -- The -- the -- and yeah yeah. We -- -- -- of an over abundance of things that he's -- but -- the thing that we got a lot of email actually from people suggesting that I try windows on them and those features and it appears -- in its going to be pretty -- -- among mean I think among all malvo could turn out to be pretty. Pretty promising that it does have the speech to text and a turn by turn direction with our names and an -- I'm going to give it a serious. Once over. -- As they get you -- flap over patent right there and -- to London it. And we did before -- -- Any number of fingers. In this -- out here and eastern after the exactly it's happening now and -- image Arab lesser -- thank you they're all like all you have to do is it and then he did in kindred and there's Diana do not available for the Droid X and that's basically the rent it again yesterday which is like you know I. My tech fatigue effects and since I am you know a -- over at bitter too busy town. I just don't wanna have the answer to my technical problems B all you have to do is -- Metallica and manage monitor and get a Romany actually river -- -- -- -- again in I'm like I am all for now -- -- Devices that let you get under the hood and hack your own stuff and being control of your own experience yet. I don't think it should be part of the the the natural course of owning a product that you need it shouldn't be the only way to pick it -- just like -- it now now now now now now now. I just lying Allen Kauffman and I'm not all the time with them but -- did that with an attempt on. Fascinate for the environment. And it was just a nightmare like I'm sorry opening line that make to -- -- values into red. Anyway. Now it does a whole other you've got the I will not be here tomorrow but. Who -- and I and the phone camera the -- has lights or yeah landing -- with the probe and Antuan Goodwin. Net an Internet. Or off and that bigots or tomorrow below that cnet.com is -- -- can find the links to the story that we talked about today and the video feed on only downloaded over your phone and use of your data plan one and it take on sixty victory of their front amber and -- at cnet.com. It's our email address and for him but now it's -- of course. --

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