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Ep. 1478: Zuck HuntWithout Molly or Brian, CNET's podcast of indeterminate length is commandeered by indeterminate hosts. CNET's Donald Bell and Eric Franklin steer the Buzz Out Loud ship into the shark-infested waters of poached PayPal employees and Twitter CEOs. Plus,...
Today -- Friday may 27 2011. My -- Steven -- I am Eric Franklin and I and Donald bell welcome the buzz out loud is cnet's podcast of indeterminate -- -- is episode 1478. And there's no Molly isn't Molly there's no no Brian Tong and -- -- my parents aren't they left me -- and -- -- we just even beat him. The wonderful and talented team beat him in the house and agreement wouldn't keep it yeah that allows style right -- and we're gonna try our best. To get you most buzz out loud like experience that you can. I don't know I mean we could try our best that -- Now give you the story I'm not -- August up over promising now -- -- -- and he gave you and I've got on the Wii do its thing lineup today for a Friday. For Friday that. Most people are taking off and or to have four KP did not Othello. All of all both of you out there -- The media great -- immediately -- PayPal. After hearing about Google wallet yesterday. Animals that had a lawsuit -- -- -- -- yeah right -- the fired off PayPal is suing Google over there are global while on line toward their payment. System because apparently. Google had poach when their employees but -- some random play but the employee at PayPal who is spearheading an effort. To bring. PayPal. Have -- near field payment system similar to Google wallet and to be the service used for Google Android. Have a payment system incentive. To will be on their own in getting all the -- to MasterCard and visa or whatever having. Those media companies on board to rule out there -- near field system there -- PayPal. Right now is need to but he did it -- And that kind of fell apart when Google hired away the person who is spearheading the whole effort. And now and put them in charge of doing the Google while it. Right let you know this guy. If -- sign a contract at PayPal -- use -- PayPal like look you can't be hired by a competitor to do similar type of work. He had to know when he got coach like this was gonna come -- So I type I feel they must have some kind of contingency plan over a cool to deal with this on the like -- this this is gonna come. William beacon that checkbook out me -- -- they are female. And flash paid house energy giant got it ready right now ICI's lino yeah we know easily in a virtual property the thing if that's -- much that they got the guy. Right is that the guy came with all the knowledge the intellectual property right -- log in and they're like here's what to do. Here's all the people I've been talking with -- set -- up to get this ready for PayPal. Let's do this for Google so why why -- why did PayPal takes a long to get their systems set up many PayPal me. They're owned by eBay eBay. Is a pretty big player as -- -- like -- it. Pretty big company that has the resources to do this right do they sell may -- -- I think not as I know they're not cool they -- I know and I think the idea of the missing ingredient for any of this to work is that you need to have. -- and a piece of technology to everyone already has on them. You know so you have to have the Android phone the iPhone you know that right right that the person other villages and in -- creeks and an app -- they're gonna go just like they are gonna be the middleman. Ray PayPal -- it looked and eat you guys -- Google you've got the phone anyone's gotten their. In their in the pants so let's make that until wallet by using PayPal as the middleman service again give people. You know that the virtual wallet share. And -- -- to -- is gonna get this guy right here from you yeah and and we're gonna do -- -- -- -- whipping about that -- yeah. And we're Google Dell deal and yeah so you live and happening event that they probably -- think that this is really what happened on this is the other little twist in the is that the person who. He did the poaching who recruited. -- -- it Osama -- -- year if you -- -- from PayPal was a former employee. PayPal PayPal -- eBay eBay -- bathrooms. So and if someone already know like. In a Google asked them what could we get we understand now this is because now it's us guys that were equipment over here that he had actually created this to adequately and there -- like FaceBook friends that are crap hey is that if the like a formal I guess and -- -- are like something natively you know it. -- -- -- but Mexican right now CDs up for it yeah. Mr. now I can imagine -- him on being like yeah now listening have been like sweating and working on a daily fine idea is that you could just tell me it -- sweet lemon and honey I sources for those negatives work for Google make this happen in the years time contract as -- had technology in the -- checkbook to make it done. Yet pretty cool I would do it but down. So via -- schools being sued and in Google is saying. Essentially their response to the lawsuit is look we have the right the high level. You cancel its amazingly FU but odds and -- also may be missing the point that it is it's what's in the guy's brain that he took from PayPal. Or glad paid but the bottom line is that what they're saying is -- hire whomever we want him. I'm not sure -- -- when it's also and use them for whenever knowledge they RD house. I mean this practice that that takes yeah then what we got married his if this guy is is there and he knows his stuff and this is what we need while -- not hired. No that's is more on the camera. Then. Males and protect this guy now because he's working -- them but that warn him that I look we want this guy would like you -- more we hear now are you willing to deal with the the you know the repercussions of you coming over to us right -- will help you deal with that but. And it comes on intellectual property law which is something and I didn't and tried and managed by -- not Molly Wood and this could. I leave my my level of deal to be asked about something is not of Mali -- the dispatcher share exactly exactly -- -- but. It will be interesting idea think that my gut instinct is that even -- it's and it's thoroughly sum it even has just hush money here. They'll get under the table again. Apple is moving ever closer to transforming the way we experienced digital music. -- -- and again -- a -- -- -- a look at a that's -- more details about there online locker have come to light including. The fact that will not -- Probability that'll be rolled into their cloud service -- Says system or -- there existing and mobile me system okay and will probably be a subscription based. In the sense that is -- we -- is the subscription based need -- 99 dollars forty years. There but it's not it's very unlikely that it's going to be 83. Service the same -- -- -- -- on Google's. Have so far means that made it you'll be -- -- you'll probably paying for this so what you paying forty -- -- for anything extra you paying for anything special when you're you're a music guy you'd you know you. You -- round these things -- when I do so on a personal level the field well the thing that Apple supposedly has been able to -- here that no -- and -- -- locker services have been to do is. To be of use -- was -- style fingerprinting object collections that have literally uploading every. -- Of your music collection into the cloud. And it's streaming the exact same file back to argue -- mystical looking your collection -- But just the that the XML files -- -- iTunes collections and only songs we have all the same songs in our music library. Minus those like. Thirty weird tracks that you've gotten from some torrents and has -- -- live music recording from you know. By until upload maybe those few songs builds in this -- down -- everything else we -- have a collection and the mini U agreed this. Like within you know ten minutes of -- that's in your collection we've got your entire collection. Like neared. Online -- -- back down to use that. -- but the files watching more likely be higher quality files may be aren't having a collection -- -- -- normally don't just oh we have that we have that here right they're not taking your files and like making copies of them that it's taken. -- -- -- lot technologies critical to the way that the finger printing happens is that it looks at. It actually -- that you've got the filing a system like the actual. Meta tag data and then we'll actually. Look at the file you can build fingerprint. The file itself fairly consistent it's the right length -- the right you know. The actual waveform for its one for one reflected in what you would ripped from a speedier that we have American institute ultimately. Actually say you have that song in your collection. We'll -- -- -- you know room to stream it the same song fish. From are there -- a server but it's really is our version of that song. But is is probably gonna be like to introduce -- to -- -- -- -- -- been. Portland. Of what like poor quality MP -- of the same -- thing you could be in effect be. Paying your monthly service -- -- -- -- you know you're 99 dollar yearly fear over the rep they pull it off there to get a higher quality versions of songs in your collection. Steve Mac and -- think you -- that way. The good news for labels though is that that means that even if you're sitting on like 8300. Gig music collection of all stolen music. If you -- to the Apple thing you get your whole collection -- Q in the cloud. They're gonna be making some money off the back and for having like. One dollar of every 899 in monthly fee fare paid to them for that. That music collecting -- -- -- so they could -- in that somewhere a profit from the having a bunch of -- music. And your collection that you're paying the right -- in -- -- right. But little complicated but -- I can write to money and. -- -- re saying its its its its it's an appealing. Service. Home but it's not free -- -- an -- that's that's the thing and and Mikey says you know I'm not gonna have my. Makes money for recording of the Manhattan Transfer of playing in Chicago that you know -- always on my iPod. Home iMac I have that morning -- I have you know official. Our tracks I think release of his it is using the same while. Style methodology for that billion fingerprint everything and they know it's obviously. That -- that CE version write songs via up there. And everything else that doesn't fit into what the party have established in there. Library we will upload okay and are -- that down and Amazon dot. So it'll be interesting news suppose this is gonna be announced -- W diabetes -- -- -- few weeks and mobile and really know what's going on. Buy it. As cool as it might be -- though and I'm a little bit suspicious whether or not people are going to be paying the subscription fees were. A service like this when Google and and it's hard to connect with. Less sophisticated but free versions of this for answers yes and we'll see how far the reality distortion field. Or what special sauce Apple goes onto it to kind sweeten the do you think -- will. Or is ambulance where Apple so there there'll one more thing companies -- headed -- guy and Apple. There I wasn't expecting genius -- super mixes sure that's. Where if I nine bucks right I don't know but this is the other things that they really aren't ruling it into mobile the mobile me it just isn't something that if taken off in New Hampshire Apple had hoped that this -- -- them the next being like this is gonna make it. Is -- -- it might it be something where Apple consumers just don't wanna -- A yearly subscription for helping people want -- see you leased to. -- Comes out -- and -- -- with the help -- -- if anyone can -- the reality distortion -- enough to get people on board. It would -- Apple. In Warren. Technology. Puccini's news fashion -- actually move this up the other story but it's his presidential -- Obama. Is -- from Silicon Valley and he is appointed Twitter CEO. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Is now -- on the presidential advisory committee and Dan. Hot after only being in the CEO position Twitter where media few months now -- There isn't a big deal when Evan Williams the co founders said late but this is our guys -- CEO. And how he's -- going out later there they get there is that a meeting of the minds when an Obama McCain. Around here. While ago -- over. The heads of silicon was -- -- and when Obama means is that you -- he was CEO and says he was at the table okay. So he -- said some things or either at the table or -- behind closed doors that impressed. Obama or someone in his administration -- like hey is that we'll see and I'm curious to see wide. I mean if if we just went recruitment people to be part of your chair -- your technology advisory. I've done the same what is -- that seem comedians made up of the CEO of AT&T business solutions. Dan Hesse from -- -- CEO of sprint. And Ivan Seidenberg from the field Verizon that recently the major carriers -- there and then -- -- -- Well they. You know -- It's hard to not be impressed by. You know how far Twitter has com the last few years the end of this -- -- of that company. Some that he said about that -- I think the other guys let our great technology advisors of like how do you total helpers for any technology that they can. Leverage in screw people look overly greatly affect its later we know how to totally dominate. And and and -- -- choices of consumers F three company exactly and sports whatever phones who want down their throat. Where this -- -- -- guy can be like I know how to run a company that is valued in the billions. But as it actually have a plan for making yeah right. Which is a different kind of magic you wanna have that guy in years you -- well yeah -- -- him that you want him as an advisor at least fair. Amazon. As opening up. In that. Election to be too damaged with a commercial break ago before I -- -- did is we need to commercial break it Amazon is. It -- competing against Apple Apple's own built in integrated App Store for Mac software by opening up own download only. Software store for from for Mac. So this is one like the -- that actual App Store. On the Mac you can mean you -- your purchases you can -- download your purchases should you lose that's right coincidence as -- -- -- And the -- there's only 252 pieces of software in the store right now and not apps and actual applications and things like Photoshop and Microsoft Office which Apple offers as well and there and -- -- there -- Mac. App Store Miley I haven't actually test and I know that they have all like the fun games and apps and academic content yet evaluated the -- because I don't want it the full version of imovie. At least that what they don't have -- they they don't have an active like update management. Part of the -- -- -- but the actual software updates -- handled through the application itself. But it's it's more competition from -- -- -- yeah. Yeah I mean Amazon's. -- they're -- her. I think for all of this is like gunning for -- they're they're comet chasing. With the chasing but it's what they're every every time according to. System device whatever Amazon does it seems that whole Apple that -- school -- but now we're gonna do it. The feeling to -- they also they have their their own Android store is a bit like let's just take the two big titans Google yeah Apple yeah they both have there. You know we can't we can't make our own version of and I'll less. It's the right right but we can get you on Mac software which is Apple's. The actual App Store and then the Mac and turn it -- is listed as good it's good they're competing this year. Noted that competition Donald -- It has different breeds innovation and it's great to make money too which is what we're gonna do with its commercial break right now. And we are back or back it's apparently. TV is paying us claimed by the hello maybe it'll be different -- there are not yet available and it is that it's just browsed for motor owns and -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- it normally it's. I can do that I can get -- second half of the show and I'll impression excellent in my help you need him now because America. Now he ought to -- you -- -- impression. That's the limit now it's not gonna happen that way. Collapsing in a lot of -- in my chair yet it really senator -- -- right this next section is brought to you by people who want to hate on Microsoft. Hate those people. Not -- isn't good news from -- is not -- turns out. -- recently been on on earth that Microsoft is making five dollars for every HT -- phone running Android. Due to patent settlement with HTC over intellectual property near Munich Germany. Via -- -- And then thank you coming back back door deal. He'd pay me Leo I get books and battles and this is bad for anyone who's buying into a phone somehow just -- -- Microsoft. All AJ -- got -- Arafat. -- Any way to solve it -- my -- of Samsung's one or something else. HD each key feature that -- that if its intellectual property from -- you don't -- bird. Android. What is HTC kind of like the dvd alternative kind of darling of the people who want to be. Alternative. -- -- -- don't want like -- Samsung is huge companies will hold no job no bank. I feel like -- CC is kind of accompany it. The amendment -- because. -- like ACC you can of that alternative -- And I get that -- We've got about the guy my guy. Each if -- have a note say that to them right now -- this HDT -- What kind of -- like you gave I think it was -- measured. Well thank you. But this is. I guess this is good news from Microsoft although even five dollar after each TC Android phones -- -- thing -- can add up to. The -- America's top Polly wants space and how well would but it's still some money -- it's -- something but. In spite of the five dollar -- phone thing and yesterday. Ballmer. -- there's a call to replace former. For -- from green lights. -- David -- Stanley. It's been after the -- -- it's time he's for someone else to -- yeah he's done the united companies like. Is is is amicable as the easy stepping down now -- -- there's a total boost to instantly know you know on recycling and a board rejected. The whole notion of it but okay it was like. Someone of something -- -- -- analyst with economic es spewing out or not -- companies not doing a good enough he's -- that's not perform as well as we'd like he doesn't dance. As vigorously as they used and I like Obama I think Ballmer should definite statement I think. I can't why do you feel that way though not related to respect humor does have personalities as a personality but also I think there isn't the reason -- -- -- -- to you he's -- the -- the second. Second he owns a second largest amount of companies stopped from. Like if it is best interest the company do well if as a stockholder via video -- so much stock in. But down not just as a personality -- feel like. I for a company like Microsoft are doing the honors from kind of a like have you this straight edge kind of borrow -- suffer for being proceed -- being a boring account pocket protector bombers not a -- not a boring -- -- For better ports. -- -- and that the criticism here was that he has kind of old style thinking that he missed the whole tablet -- initiative and on top of it. He's not being aggressive enough on the mobile platform and I'm thinking as well and chemical and able that -- -- I think the point I don't think that. Give -- a transplant. I do a brain transplant Microsoft right now it's gonna be -- Makes them -- that their old company. -- it's hard to target just -- it's been around that long -- Slap in the CEO of Twitter and how to write -- enough three point oh I see here I see exactly worries and also how all -- people who are there. Pledge allegiance to their new leaders that Ballmer Leah -- -- that they've been around for a long time Steve Ballmer -- ousted topology allowed people being -- -- -- -- he's a finale -- the better the devil we know you know yeah Sheraton new -- Who's this new guy is -- is that he's he's the other where. In a white cotton shirts stick it stick it out on I heard Einhorn -- was actually bombers problem is that he is stuck in the past allowed competitors to beat Microsoft and huge areas including search mobile communications tablet computing and social network. Even worse -- -- -- of these failures has been. Two ports from industry sources in your efforts. Develop his way out of these holes that he he spends a lot of money yet and -- might that -- Microsoft tradition even in the Bill Gates there like let's just those much money -- we need to to make it work very even if it doesn't pan out. So I don't think that's really maybe -- times. It did say that bombers adopting Microsoft strategy from bill gates' -- And not trying something -- concede criticism that. I don't think that. Throwing a new person to them. Rules enemy you're right it's hard to -- change. Into a business perspective from the top down like that I feel like. Everyone has -- bored easily -- bring some new guy in that although he's gonna change everything and you're gonna sit here and just do what you've been doing this whole time anyway you know people lower than him. -- if you like that has to be like -- the commission stated everyone -- -- gets involved in select what what are we about what is Microsoft about -- really forget out -- -- at this company that's really go out and that's you know then will go towards. Whatever that Google it is but he can't really come down from -- comes from the top. I also feel like it misses another criticism someone else made -- earlier this week that the unification of Microsoft list. Possibly. I think Microsoft might mean its its biggest mistake by -- make it out here. Apple write or match -- -- or Google in my -- -- -- That -- they -- -- the Microsoft guy that is being it is the characterization of the Mac sept nine Apple commercials and that's okay. And it's. Yes it would that be okay with that and and can -- not -- but -- Not happy that desperate guys like he known dyeing his hair green -- seventy right. You can edit it -- -- -- -- -- -- point you. I'm a that you can appoint and I got a review when he burst open with that on the scene he was like -- nerdy looking -- that they need they hit them well elect cut his hair. -- -- like easily hipster glasses yet shape a little bit. But a look -- help them unlike the game ability -- hit out the PS3 at least in this country yet -- I'll hit the PS3 yet what that -- awesome I think Microsoft and has tried the leveraged as much as possible typing recently they're giving -- X boxes -- like. Laptops in for a college students are buying laptops -- ruining -- -- in new laptop deal -- pilot up repugnant. Anyway everything you need to college at the bar yet and the number of the buried and pretend it. But they briefed on them to do it like the Xbox -- like this weird -- fluke in the Microsoft it is I think -- and if that's feel like -- actually. Well we got Xbox is to go all of this site or like we need to do something -- relate well we got it spot with -- Xbox of five this thing and then the and but I mean me is that Microsoft is going to be a Google. Or or whenever -- you know and -- wants them to be. It's gonna be Microsoft for ever. If that's okay -- -- the -- the Microsoft of the world like we need like the old. Deputy attic up the other old company like for a review afford. -- Interesting is just to make me know Google and Android not seem like it's as hot as people would like to think it is. Despite this in this stories by -- Europe from Microsoft but. There is a -- interesting new twist in -- study that was generated. Recently by as it. This demo -- the -- The company. Saying that in the Android market was rapidly catching up to IOS. Based on -- the number of apps that are being downloaded the content. That people are pulling down from the App Store. There is some. -- -- limit the numbers to the point where this other report has come out from. When it. Roughly drafted. -- aren't done. Yet currently roughly crafted. I am saying that what they're missing here is that no one that -- making money off of any of these apps. And that 80% of Android apps have sold fewer than a hundred copies and at the amount of apps -- even they yes even have to pay for. I think Apple out numbers them. Greatly so that all the money has been made in apps. It's still -- -- even if Android app numbers are catching -- I don't feel like an Android phone user friendly. And make it crap and -- -- -- and iphones are released synonymous with. Running apps would downloading apps I feel like that is and think Apple really got. They got in on that early in the kind of where it -- of the pioneer as far as phones go as far as you downloading apps over the App Store tells us that. Parallels has been following that. That I have friends who have Android phones who don't have apps -- Yes and it's crazy to me. I designating your treatment I think the apps are there but they're saying that the -- outside of a new ones getting the north behind them and I -- and now everyone what I've been. I think that the -- -- in general that you want free stuff or cheap stuff. I think that the instinct being here is that. In recent -- -- is an abundance of 99 cent. Since rate people are getting them they're making up in numbers is really cheap apps -- -- like arm that borders like it's almost recently bought. Right but down the apps that people actually -- downloading Android -- just the pre. You know making -- 88 cents might seem too much so you feel like the V -- the likelihood of the it's more likely that at a person who owns and like an iPhone and I less device. Is more likely to pay for their content -- -- and -- draped user would. Will be more likely be a casual user wouldn't a 384 -- apps -- -- for UNC. You are able -- -- -- not much -- of billing routing in and stop all kinds of like you know all the items that are needed in the giving that you think -- hacking. The ease ease ability of hacking on them on the -- and -- the factor here. I I mean I don't wanna get every pie chart that's ever been mean on this economy right now and figure out whether or not I have Android actually because I -- I got one if I'm waiting that is telling me that there is -- three times as many paid apps in pilots as there are in the Android market. Now whether or not people are downloading content or not. I think that people are downloading -- -- content in the an meandering experience but it is the apps people aren't charging for those ads when they're not they think that. People -- pay for them if they did charge for it. Is that -- but most popular -- Android market most successful one integrates Google Maps. It doesn't -- the -- -- it's an -- -- you could download or update. Whereas lake. Apple's own apps are popular but -- they're not in like the the fifty million downloads. Google Maps and no one app is like that it didn't run -- -- pay for app. The juggernaut that anything might be right. And -- local pie chart to -- -- Portraits really -- -- fun and with that and other bad news for Android it turns out that loads this the company that is. In -- sending. I infringement notices to developers for -- less apps -- it the year in app purchasing. Abilities of the units we have a patent on there -- now spreading the love around and sending out this -- letter to Android developers as well. So. Spreading the love. Although as -- -- than the last story they Android developers don't have them and -- -- Give him anyway -- -- -- trying to -- blood -- -- stone when it of the -- commitment. They use you for. -- It's not the scary if if you were -- already -- outrage have scared this is an outraged. Like scary stories -- and -- uses his finger wagging our reach Karl twit pic. Diane. Are just totally taking my photos. Even and use the service taking iPhoto. And turning around and selling them to what is the company its -- -- world entertainment news network. -- and yes apparently if you -- using -- take any photo you've -- uploading to them as -- kind of apps -- mind of the agreed to the terms of service like I would anyways. It now the the property or it can be the exclusive property of world entertainment news network. Though. Mecca assault Saturday happened we talked about that before. Now we have a story I -- on the Genesis has now gone -- of twit pics and like I I don't want this world entertainment news network. Using my stuff now -- -- post your photos directly to where the houses on her show I think if you guys pretty public with this -- twins now age. The thing that you guys should know is that the I think the native Twitter -- Can you can eat go to settings and you can switch between two picked a wife and -- frog. Has exclusively like Macs with -- the explicitly. In their terms and services we will never. And we will not now or never but. I have -- ordinary cellular staff -- and elsewhere. Yeah your service is viewers and we -- -- recent -- hold the ultrasound and highlighted on their site geared Newton when we we won't do those are the guys did yet. That's great. So little tip switch over to Wi-Fi in February about the put it on board maybe posters. But of them don't -- that site went down to -- Cassini Appalachia to come around said she left well I yeah that's I don't know if you're concerned that we turn -- -- -- -- now. Another company that will not sell your photos. I'll talk about actually do this out of that record -- I almost missed my pro. Found effect movement that -- -- -- -- -- -- that the Blackberry maker had not -- up. I think accumulate a test at this whole episodes can be reevaluated by. And went on how well I did the united that would feed into the quick hits and effect. And -- -- -- and I did I did I got it in the whereas -- -- -- transition. Was Flickr Flickr's not gonna sell your photos in some weird agreement with some third party news company. And they're gonna do you the solid -- not deleting your account immediately. You get ninety days now if you decide you some. Rage against Flickr that he'll hate Twitter he's making -- -- -- -- photos down from Flickr right now and I think this'll magic. Who -- I'm like you -- you're -- on someone altering drug in the think Flickr's like the double demonic sneaked in attacking the attic I -- -- -- the right now. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Come to your senses period of time. Before -- the girl actually delete them before they would his. Okay you said that we pay you use -- and regularly do that's right in -- -- within them. I think it's because there's there's there's a lot of bipolar may -- a long time but I mean -- it's it's good enough -- the out of the bipolar Charlie -- moment really Keeneland. I'm not actually warlock. -- and -- Ellen DeGeneres is it gonna let me post my photos on her site right -- -- iPod she would be yeah. Yeah I did actually reenactment Flickr. At that pic of my friends Brothers put -- junk may fifth at you know that's suspect. I'm gonna need that Internet Canadian accent if I take -- yeah. I don't have access to that. We're gonna do I'm no. -- -- -- Gmail. In Google Chrome no longer has offline abilities. You can't go offline with you Gmail and Chrome. That we couldn't because -- some legacy support for Google gears which is now being kind of believe the stuff has been saves your heart that the four -- government demands -- reason. That would now what this means there was an offline ability for Gmail. In Chrome. In the chromeless which no -- -- in the act and the Chrome browser. Because of Google gears support. And the Google's no longer maintaining gears the -- retiring that and there are now going to be implementing. Soon upland support using html five. It. Programming -- so it's I'll point supported you know if -- -- Not supported. Institution it should really be to headline here but it. It's a little bit more sensational yes -- offline -- For -- -- yet. That if you are using it to begin -- I don't know. But it can now and now. And I gotta go to our netbook that audiences again and the spine. And science science. Last shuttle spacewalkers make history. Above the earth the space station there is now complete yes. What we did it. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- It was never let me do this now -- giant boom somehow like -- attached to the space station for moving stuff around. Land say giant boom -- -- Love. We miss it -- -- -- the moment Scott gone it's a lot of it so yet there is -- There is no a lot of jubilation -- and happiness that the station is gala complete. And did the the it will be the stepping off partner with this I think -- point. Of car our future journeys into outer -- Be -- man or not right. And it's old hat having robots with the nation -- what's going on with these -- and it is it just like eight. It's like a base is that that that the the primary use of this in the -- -- wouldn't want all our missions from here. I mean I and the -- what -- really don't like growing. Play -- -- anywhere else it's from a -- for a study of earth reasonably good and ports I mean the in. The dream and -- Carl -- dream is that like. Channels designed just for deep space travel would be assembled in space right. And -- they would have the effects of gravity to restrict there yeah size exactly and makes and then -- use nuclear power nuclear station. -- -- outer galaxy exploration. I don't see any without enough to me what happens is you know you around oh -- -- but the that that's key as well on this is that. The Russian space administration is still planning -- Some stuff and so it's really that the US -- -- -- done. It's only like I think I always done now because this is our last manned space station has -- the admission -- Mission accomplished space station -- dust. A -- -- a we've got it yet no more manned space travel on the Russians -- we yearly would do it where it can be totally up there next week exactly. What the we got numbers -- we got his guy up there too by the way across a -- forget about that don't yet. Yes so then this is still some work in progress on the space station but pretty cool that we got up there it successfully and -- You know we. Humankind -- exactly. And -- them -- decorating of the space station. Underneath the -- And act with with -- -- they evacuating its name the leasing of the that they at the if against the Indians argued that -- the system in the news -- -- -- could -- In -- Victorian content and people. -- would -- there's a room with a big pile of its -- is like this podcast studio -- I am 1 o'clock in the afternoon Michael -- who's gonna put it it is yeah. Up. More amazing space news is that. We are going to -- down an asteroid. And and strangle it in doing it. And then take that dug out portion of it and bring it back home state law school and by we I mean Bruce Willis and let. But -- you like -- just like that and Donald bell we have cavities that -- weekend. Got a group -- for you could. The human eye opener you know concerns -- -- warmed up in the that the defeat my record companies battling to -- about half. The Margaret from thousands of air and Armageddon Bruce Willis knows -- -- use. -- -- the it's actually its -- facilities. Ambulance. To the go deep impact. -- that. The Tea Leoni and adding that he joked that that's part of what makes this interesting is that. What we're trying to do is is an -- -- An unmanned. Little. Ping rate capital Lander -- -- X -- -- onto a rapidly spinning. -- And -- moving -- every after a chunk we've gotten lately so far -- had a -- -- been whittled down there in Iraq at atmosphere. We only get a little. He remains -- with us we want to know what it's like before it gets all screwed up right we want. First dibs on the -- stuff that but. When we're doing this and part of the reason why we're doing -- is that we're gonna do it on doing it on this asteroid actually has a chance of hitting our planet. So it's like this the sly little need to know why we're doing -- -- -- feet -- can. I am -- after it it's -- -- quickly. And if we can take a chunk out of it. -- this -- we can't despite what some people in and out and then yet save the planet -- I think it's a did. I think. -- but they're saying we're doing this for is while that's interesting in what -- actually when a practice when I'm blown past. The earth people. I'm. On -- last. And stuff but -- -- There's some beautiful and they said the recent cruise and -- up in space. I am better arm the because. The -- space dot com. Right now so if you want to it's not think about actually being blown up not think about the -- the space station and just enjoy some awesome -- The moon rise -- -- our system. Pretty pictures of clouds. If that you guys ready images here -- which usually a blissful. Place. I'm sure there -- -- If the next story is kind of related way -- -- while we were up there and Bluetooth and infrared pictures this is of space. It but the first now I need I need all the sound effects and -- is that you part of our. Happy days. Laughter and -- a happy ending is that infrared photography from space is revealed that there are. I'm at least seventeen lost Pyrenees and thousands of -- -- and other structures in Egypt. Indiana Jones hasn't totally gone in DS is crazy is crazy to me -- not unexpected but crazy. Like this because of the well and in books you know and that's seen in Nicolas -- movies for the last that's what I'm saying guys it's not as crazy is it that there's at least three from movie franchises I can think of that spin off of -- -- -- calling. Is any images this is -- in there is there's national treasure -- by Egypt addition to be even I the next mummy. I was gonna say -- a rock you've paid your -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Is a couple -- yeah the identity of franchises that Dell does eyes I'm excited about the -- -- Beautiful undiscovered treasures and might lie in these tunes and and and and here secrets if that and the movie they'll come out of this information will be. Equally crappy but it kind of tangentially related to their information. While they I think -- all -- -- -- I mentioned and not as excited about this next one -- -- that think you guys nineties we'll be with talk about this there's AM a new trading card that's been shown around by. A company called. -- -- -- Right off the bat and then yeah that's -- -- that includes an integrated video displaying to show off. The what. Like the action that cards posted did you like basically little promo video for the player himself all of those are the best of all our ports -- -- -- sports card. Bye bye if this could easily be you know the film Pokemon video -- something that can connections -- -- -- -- -- Now -- now at -- dynamic trading card technology anymore less appealing to you. It is endorsed McCain current -- and has been ordered not -- amendment of the offender -- whatever yeah I don't know now. You know that okay here's the thing -- -- completely explain the technology here is it integrated speaker like a play button in a battery that have the illness and help make it all. Work right and I don't know the batteries from the can be -- -- -- -- whenever it's cool to be able to do this. But the actual use. Is it an -- out of cardboard to while that's a cool though I like that. You know like you got a bunch of magic cards magic the gathering cards he could see what that spells actually do -- animation that spell we'll take a lot of work. Lot of time to do that for each and every card but actually chemical but. After the -- -- that the twentieth time -- use that card. That's gonna Google has yet and -- cards are about like. That's because an iPad because all they got an -- demo fortunately got affect -- -- -- yet they're saying that you like a five pack for twenty dollars are. This is so. Like -- and he. Planet taken off I can't imagine it like when I think about. Wally in our post apocalyptic drag and we're all living on -- asteroid at all -- -- while it's just me gathering these lake old. -- battery rundown got. Virtual card things into his belly I -- I go out and constructing towers. Yeah I think today. -- that's yet. Well its its its its -- seems like. It's seen and I know this is that we live in a written countless but it seems like the only reason -- it is -- We need to sell -- these things. It's not about like it if that gets credited with signing some new life and -- -- model yeah exactly as I -- we -- change. We were built by Canadian maybe they've done this to -- it just like like in islets -- trading card app we have buying a logo isn't treating current scenario that actually like. Spilling toxic smoke -- -- -- -- -- Canada to create these. Weird little art are looking for players you only care about receiving look at that do look a mistress. The because -- looked like he cares about what you're whatever your view of the environment did that that the that the analyst -- you guys gonna get a -- -- anything on it yeah. I don't what sites. -- -- -- share how much Japan that I can -- that let them. ID it it reminds me of like. In new -- tangent but. When like. Pinball machines went from my analog like a digital analogue I mean in the -- they wanna like put on the necessities take actual video game writing rhetoric. Metal -- dot matrix as a whole has -- the IKEA like -- -- LCD in writing video content even. Getting -- -- playing -- I don't think at some point and they just analyze it. Like the -- he has the -- -- like a model of entertainment that's right just rhetoric plays right you're really aren't everything but the kitchen sink into -- Making old system still be appealing her kids really don't -- happening here -- -- Injecting them. And then finally. This is actually initiative in the lead story now an electric -- -- -- -- and Mark Zuckerberg. Is only eating what he kills. Yesterday -- on his own private make FaceBook page that -- he's now taking on me. Dietary challenge. And only eat if you can be eating animals eat only meat eating animals that he personally. Slaughters. Illegal. And that it. And as of yesterday he -- -- the pagan ago so. I think about him you can probably get a lot of meat out of a patent and -- -- Sure he's -- that he's -- to those. The stakes -- pay as much of people making a big deal that it -- I totally as somebody's been detained on of these ethical reasons of like. Like people. Not realizing how food comes to their table and what they're putting people and I know what it laboratories. Right he's technically currently you know although we messed that pictures of chickens to beat up whenever -- I think this is actually pretty cool I don't know as -- -- it though it immediately is not a bandwagon anyone can jump on like who has the disposable income. This -- I think a lot hunt and kill the food and ready right item. Not one though that there aren't that matter and does -- -- -- -- time what Sony would do yet and I appreciate it finds undo it I wanted to when I was vegetarian I would say in I think you know if I lose if there's a apocalyptic world or as an island I would not hesitate to -- of African animal and and EM rock out you know look at that -- stay alive by. Human as well you know if I have the option and an active and let someone -- someone else I don't see kill something in manufacturing process -- -- means -- premium and think about that this with an animal and and that I don't young and I had -- and realize is more important step in the world where it found by -- -- -- time I was really into it like fifteen years has -- really had no idea started -- -- -- -- -- -- -- McCain. Back -- action packed right now I can't think. -- weird vegetarian destruction. But interest thing that Zuckerberg one of the most. Celebrated the use of Silicon Valley is now in this weird and kill stuff. I think therefore becomes -- -- -- to write the idea if they gotta make some that aren't yen. The back and -- more bad Apple. Give him some bad ass right -- their killings of me -- -- You -- his his his computer skills -- with that not withstanding yeah that'll adamantly. It. That I want a -- and now we need to see now some party is like -- with -- Harris a Galley show a gallery reality -- a weekly video podcast. That's -- when. -- wrap up and on this people. And now. Get -- emails but only up. No voice no voice minutes. No one cares about -- and that's just this email new of this first -- seeing halos -- earlier this week you asked are spot on an -- -- credit cards and I gotta say. I cannot wait. And Nancy. And what's so secure what's a secure about tiny easily overlooked pieces of plastic my phone not only has a lock screen. But they can implement a pin number just like my debit card and pay more attention to where my phone is -- my wallet. I can remotely wipe it and -- a wreaking GPS chip built into it -- can track that bastard down. That's part quick reset I just waited three freaking weeks my new car -- after the PS and -- Two weeks of which it sat at a different branch of my bank and no one even bothered to Tommy was there and it's Mac only card. Needless to say all the -- activities were put on hold and like -- like I don't know paying my bills and paying my bills yeah bad that would -- And I'll be finding an -- class. Men and two weeks. -- Tablets from Aaron thing he loves the show probably not this particular episode but maybe you have. And council to act and he and -- But I'll give up any amount -- had credits rolled out the Aggies know. A while with your ending Donald -- get their milk come back Yankee doodle Medina and I feel I'm gonna trail off. Usually isn't in the technique is the end the this little something else think it. -- -- I'm convinced me the best episode of buzz out loud and as remotely qualified -- hosting this episode but -- here. I I'm the best you've got -- her -- That was either you're picking. Up. It and that's saying apparently has been well that even qualified to be the -- -- child when I'm here but I'm here and on the best -- right now it's like Aetna. -- -- -- -- you wanna do it when and how did that make you in this regarding Google won't -- yes -- necessity. -- the counterpoint now. -- point. It act. Regarding eagle while at the main -- parts ICR. Every financial transaction can be tracked by any party government in particular very easily with cash we have to do some work. Easily easier identity theft once they have your phone they have your wallet -- from fourth attack on BM system won't -- long. If your phone is lost or stolen or if charges start happening that you did not authorize the phone company will not. -- do will not do what credit card companies do now. -- fraudulent charges. AT&T in particular has a history of telling their customers to pay up even if he did not make the calls. That and cure it that the charges. We all know that AT&T doesn't care about its customers. It is customers need it if we all know that AT&T doesn't care lot of customers customers customer retention is up even though our customers hate us -- them. Yes well we in the event that -- -- yeah when I read that. All of this has been discussed in previous shows and -- Thompson making. Yes. -- and I I have no idea what he about it though that is in the kind of run at hinted at which I totally see happening is that what if the carriers decided they -- get their cut them. Their phone the -- And what if what if an -- Verizon or whomever the Islamic you know -- know -- -- your phone -- your wallet the phone that we made or we. Conference and meeting and we provide service to write. Like you still -- our service and -- to get this done right. So while large and lecture about Kenyan government -- oh yeah -- -- obviously pop on I'm sure -- happened is -- like. If it's gimmicky -- Verizon -- historically been kind of evil and money grabbing. Well anyway. What do we all know that AT&T -- -- was -- we all know that AT&T doesn't care about Christmas lineup we all know that had been. That'd well actually there was like -- a -- I think earlier this week we were talking rather they felt the lowest in customer satisfaction. AT&T as Ethiopian news report. -- which of the work and -- and and his authority and it won't instinctively that they cashed in their earliest argument there like I remember working so well -- in the name but. There's a lot people who paid in cash specifically if they did not only attract. While it. -- -- No more people who live in the mountains -- -- things that people enjoy a in the dispensaries then. Via the people of there's also -- people would be any parent about -- The government are and where they usually older people know well. And -- and choose. Items weapons. Next step analyst briefing on skipping over. About dropping out of college to start writing career in nineteen in my field medicine it is not possible to skip college as he rightly -- before going to medical school. How ever. You'll be surprised to learn that what we learned in college what you may however you will be surprised to learn that what we learned in college they might. -- medical school here resell -- using medical school prima. Indeed enter it in countries outside the United States. Students typically start medical school right out of high school in they. If I had the opportunity to skip college -- or to explore my creative tendencies in computer programming I would jump on that in its second. A Thomas -- web programming late life and trying to dabble in violent programming -- Having medical background does open up avenues of possible applications can create such as iPhone games -- -- I'm gunning for you right now. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And Italy and got a lot of money no doubt he lets it be about MIC. I don't wanna be implementing it but -- We'll tell -- -- taken it down and and this episode but do you buy farm bill. Oh yeah. You. Didn't Google. Okay. If it. Embedded data show where united and -- -- -- and I thought I'd say about it I think that's typing. As giving college will you vote but he. I think. Give college and don't let -- get in the way of learning something valuable -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The awarding of -- anyone off of college I think if it's something specific. I think. There are better ways to learn things in the -- to colonists and try to learn that there. That's that's my that's how I look at it acting. Getting your hands dirty and actually doing whatever you trying to learn and -- -- so -- so many resources out there these days. We can learn so if you want to become like a game designers might even go to Sony only reasons you can do that with you in. -- I think here's here's west he can work if you're -- -- -- hazard -- prodigy the Venus and not on the market but hear me out that. You could try to go and on and on and seeking -- fortune 500 tech companies start up. In that if you you know -- few years. If you can't then go to plan B college and you'll still be the same age appropriate age to be in college he'd try to college age and that you failed me is on the line and go back to college as a freshman. -- that weird -- 21 year old guy who's like a freshman in college. And -- not reaping any of the benefits that's one of the fun of being college you know the sex and drugs yes there are reflected in Erie appeared to -- you know hey. Or -- you -- because you know cause movement like -- yet but you're coming you're coming back students with an attitude of the united failed -- being developed the -- -- yet. I think that college as far as like. You know it -- -- there with his demo -- -- -- you know I think college is great for meeting people who have similar interests who you can partner up with. Who can you know how different skill that you may have been. Economic -- you can networking get these people -- -- can appeal. It just make that connection and and and to have that resource like oh well this guys really good at this maybe I'll get him to do this I think cause -- -- concept actually. Learning something you meant to apply a depending on the job obviously. I don't think it's I. -- I all of it is yes it's great for that but there are other places that I feel -- is -- learning that craft via. And I -- a 100000 dollars you're -- taking that grant you you were selling a little part of yourself it can make. Is there it is not just -- money you know actually college way if anything is like a place of -- -- -- That's the -- if the fail trying after. You know I'm not just do that -- its effects that drugs but just like media McCartney currently taking drawing class for a week and -- realize that it no artistic talent whatsoever but at least kind of confirm that. And -- not be a risk of -- -- -- 200000 dollars to be high school like started CEO. That's a lot of the lot of pressure plated so there's no freedom to fail in -- -- environment. There's nothing growing feeling other you can fill environment and still -- -- back up and do it again I feel like. That the whole argument about take you take an art school class or whatever -- take -- art class. You don't -- -- you do that to -- you don't you're not an artist you'll need to be in college to realize that you know this this whatever whatever skill you're trying to learn you're not that good that it. You can try something else that's my point. Well at climate and I think -- And -- I think college is good because it shows that you can accomplish a large -- that fourth -- over a long period of time and during that time you learn so much meets the many people. In notes as employers that you're -- you know he set -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Company if you build a visual concepts is that there were Ethiopians limit he would say that idol -- here -- only reason I care about. The -- -- only thank you that they went to college is says you have to prove to me that they can start something. And long. And it wasn't about their -- that they learn they can learn and those anyway it was while start met you know that being in Finnish unit C Israel. Right I think there's really give a 100000 dollars to the guy who tricks the system or Texas College -- -- thinking that he's done for years in college when easily we've done one right yeah. That's got a thousand dollar -- of her being that they innovated hacking into the practice has been heated -- instrument isn't that a company. Just being in. It. Did not not willing the subject yourself to -- college. Let's say you know it is just -- -- -- joke but we'll see B cools the equal fans who have them up the crack crack it -- And I'm not on that note. We have successfully. -- to arm Mali and Brian with version of both. It's been great it's been awesome it's great I -- -- Thank you for joining us to prefer this and obviously in my new episode raised about the buzz out -- running them and yes there albeit that the -- Mexico and today. Yet I and you know this information hopefully I don't if they wanna contact -- it Buick contact buzz out loud -- you. -- at CNET -- on. 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