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Ep. 1461: Sony, you're killing us.Every company can be hacked, but we didn't expect Sony to tell us that an additional 24 millions users and over 12,000 credit cards were acquired. It's not looking good for you guys.Microsoft and RIM are new BFFs in the mobile space and they need each...
Today is Tuesday may third 2011 my name -- Stephen -- -- -- a -- oh -- that in the house I have Brian's song. Hero buzz out loud cnet's podcast of -- like we're here -- episode 1461. -- -- -- -- It's always a pleasure to be always -- it's always -- to remember the rate was you know here before me -- he's doing bigger better things and I will be here after you leave -- I know about -- I'm not sure about that but that they are common -- -- that a lot of vacation or hold them or hear when it's on the stories that you guys thought that the whole debacle -- Sony was over. You don't wanna think again Sony just announced yesterday around midday that -- secondary are separate divisions Sony online entertainment -- -- The group that's responsible blog their massive now online playing games things like -- -- is -- On a Sony only entertainment summit -- FaceBook games yeah I -- clone wars and whatnot. They just announced that during indeed PS and intrusion that happened around two weeks ago. At the same time they had just discovered now. That Sony's online entertainment servers were also potentially breached -- discover that attackers may have also obtained. For Sony online entertainment customer names addresses email addresses gender birth dates phone numbers log -- names and hashed. Passwords. Two user base of approximately 24 over 24 million users so what this means is that if you thought you -- safe because you weren't a PlayStation users subscriber. You're not state -- if you -- any Sony Sony online product that's and so -- Sony and -- have -- product you are potentially. I think the technical term it's. Heard it all it also gets worse because in addition to all that data specific to Sony -- entertainment. -- they also say that credit card and debit card numbers and expiration dates but not the security codes. Oh what a relief for about 121700. Non US customers were obtained in an outdated database from 2007. That was somewhere on their servers about 101700. Direct debit records -- bank account numbers of customers in Germany option -- -- Netherlands and Spain. May have also been stolen in a statement. This bank account numbers friends know -- -- -- well debit card numbers. -- alt debit card debit direct debit records listing. You know what numbers whatever it doesn't matter however you slice what was the -- within the the the epic -- of this breach is on questions I mean it it is a gigantic -- he keeps getting worse it's like. We've seen other. Instances where you know the revelation of what's gone wrong it just gets worse and worse every -- there's some new thing okay well first it's. First they wait five or six days to tell people and they tell people that the PlayStation network. Then it's -- so -- online as well bank account information. It's horrible stuff now here's the thing about this. People aren't people are coming down hard on Sony but it could be a lot worse because everybody's -- whatever for the -- got -- mean. It's could happen to any -- -- Italy here's the thing about this what do you do. I mean the number one thing that -- have to do if you use. The Internet. That this is teaching us and other breaches have taught us is number one. Assume. Utter incompetence. On the part of the people you're doing business with. Not because they are completely inept I -- -- is not completely and they were attacked very cleverly. But that's because you have to assume that the absolute worst gonna happen that there are a bunch of three year old monkeys running. Amazon. PayPal. BankAmerica which by the way you know BankAmerica had reached a while ago -- mean -- this happens that everyone to use to assume -- -- The question that I have and I -- working -- -- this. Once you assume. That your personal financial data is going to get half out of whatever service you're doing business with what he would do. I mean you want to do business you need in if you want to play this gain union and a credit card number on their grade right so how do you do that in a way that it's safe. And I don't know the answer to that but I mean common be calling a -- and asking -- look up people wanna give a credit card number so they can access it serves -- What do you have for them for us that will make. The theft of that credit card number which is gonna happen just assume it's gonna happen less -- You know I'd give it to as a story has come you know continue to evolve I almost feel like I -- -- -- -- credit -- specific -- -- online activity. That no longer overlaps my bills my utilities -- my personal -- -- I. It supports this and prejudice and -- -- -- that's exactly what I'm Nelson about that's what's gonna come but is it can't just be one it has to be disposable but how do you have a disposable credit card. Where you have a monthly rebuilt. It doesn't work so what's the solution and I don't know the answer to that who do you -- whom you -- I don't have that either -- what do you do any sort to link all these accounts together when. Right now when you sign up for new service. It's so much easier if you can sign up via FaceBook or via Twitter -- via Google and everybody's doing that because it's easier people. Build web services wanna do that because it makes -- more sign ups what -- do when FaceBook Twitter Google attacked elves and -- exposed or are -- So this is way more complicated than just the Sony breach and it highlights the fact that we are hugely -- All of us now one of one of -- And a little nuggets within this is also -- -- Sony did say while the pacers' our stored or were not encrypted. This is for Sony only entertainment they were transformed using a cryptographic hash function. But people. Criticize and street experts -- saying that the hash function other than that they were using was a lot weaker. And it. Pretty much could it be cracked quite easily it was however -- not encrypted tracked. Surfers on its -- so. If you guys are on Sony's network in any way shape or form. -- those -- please we we told you that last week I think this gives you more more reason to -- that told Dutch. Total if you add up everything that's happened Sony is now. Had over a 1000800. Million accounts act access and back through these attacks not arguing credit cards yet not a hundred and electronic item -- -- -- it sounds like. Still sort personally handle thousands or millions of of of credit card -- process approximately ten million. Over ten million credit cards those accounts. No one is there wouldn't say noticed it. In a valid -- -- a hacker -- -- did some damage but we also talked about some other tax their -- mean Amazon servers went down. The relatively good -- and -- out of the alluded to a human hair that during during via incompetent like has targeted assault incompetence that VMware. Did -- get a lot of publicity for this but now it's come to light that. VMware's new cloud -- foundry service which is like a beta cloud service for business and people use suffered its first outage. That was caused by a power failure during the time of Amazon's outage. As they tried to -- during the middle of Amazon's outage VMware's turn around and on the same time via is around the same problem -- but Amazon had all the publicity. Yet because they're big and they've got -- saying that we're gonna do everything so super -- -- and he's on the perpetual apology tour seems like we're guy. Yeah the -- flow of -- boundary I keep on flooding is a platform as a service offering developers to build and host web applications. And they suffered a few service interruptions. This time though after the first downtime downtime incident caused by powder outage. In the supply for storage cabinet. -- -- cause there was a second. Outage actually caused by VMware officials while developing early detection plan to prevent this kind of problem so they had it. -- program that the U that they were working on and running and he said they would not. Tested. It in -- anyone's are entering any keyboard commands are and put it on a physical computer. One of their workers decided to. Try it out there -- a hands off keyboards exercise via until there. Playbook -- it was a viewed -- one of the engineers decided to that's the keyboard and it resulted in the full outage of the network infrastructure. Taking out all -- bouncers routers and firewalls. And not. -- -- -- -- -- -- You know the funny thing is this actually feel kind of bad about this because I I've been. I keep saying that. Network services are more secure. And more reliable -- anything that you were like it could manage -- home -- small business because that's their job. And they have fail over may have all the stuff planned out and then we've got like the Amazon outage and you know the VMware outage and its. What can I say I'm here people are gonna screw you could even if they don't mean to yes yet but that that that second VMware outage -- just like. The line. -- -- assess and yeah so -- -- -- like we said no one is safe from hackers or each other. Yes it's a scary world we live in yes. Use cash. Write things down on paper hide under your mattress. Hires governor's but it screeners and people -- script and right. -- -- -- That's get out. Also in it in the may be a world that we never thought would happen rim and Microsoft. Are now becoming allies in the Smartphone world so it today at research -- -- -- world conference in Orlando Florida. They announced a partnership. Meet with each other Microsoft will be -- -- search and map applications integrated directly into blackberries operating system at the system level. -- edit that allow you know search mapping technology include the location based services Andy demo and it raining on one of black breeze product the torch 9800. Apparently it's it's very it's it's integrated pretty deep and so it's like. I don't know like you know Google Maps and imbedded in the iPhone at the very very serious deep integration now -- fair to say though that I'm. Microsoft and rim -- of that relationship goes back a long way I mean. The Blackberry email service the enterprise email system. It in it has been integrated outlook for I don't know ecology is a dozen years -- embryo and that's I mean that's always been a very very. Tight and and important relationship when Microsoft said there when into the phone business than that began to look a little. Different because now Microsoft was competing with. Blackberry. But it's -- and it stands to reason that they have to partner I mean you you know -- these are like you know. The nerd and ethnically -- into the. -- beginners away enemy out there there'll scrapie to gain any and marketshare they -- from Android and from Iowa as. You have Blackberry who really from an OS standpoint they don't have a compelling maps type product. They don't have a compelling search who does have -- gone very well today Blackberry in their OS. Microsoft can do that than that Microsoft and leverage people using those functions gain day -- access to you know what people are searching for it. You know -- that also with mobile advertising that. The it's another example -- -- aligned with Nokia Microsoft it's all the players who no longer are running the show. Doing everything they can't you mean relevant everybody besides Apple and Google -- now yet because they're no longer you know I know it -- true again. -- the M. And and the Microsoft online services I mean -- like -- -- so they're good mean Bing and Bing maps I mean Bing search. Those are really good services there's no reason for them to it to be second fiddle -- any anybody. The but it is just it doesn't have the taint of desperation though doesn't -- it. -- -- -- -- -- -- we'll see how this all shakes out some also. Holds one of the bigger news pieces today. Apple's IMAX. Refreshed to date with faster CPUs and thunderbolt ports this. Original -- coming from. And -- I don't want to included a -- forgetting its name from this show from me from my. -- quite tight closed source came from Brian Todd I would -- excite Bryant has the sources it's exciting when your source pans out that I don't I don't run with these things at all unless I really feel confident about it. And if they needed and of marks that we you're practicing natural journalism -- -- think the new with right like I compliments. Hi -- comments like 95% now confidence -- -- -- -- this and in its 5060%. Trend we see out there and -- -- some the specs on it. They will be loaded -- gender Intel's second gen Quad Core. I five and I seven CPUs there's also thunderbolt thunderbolt a data ports as old improvement with their graphics processor up from MD. One of the featured there are two thunderbolt. Ports on here and with a features that people are talking about is the original iMac or the previous generation -- and -- feature called target display mode where you could connect. Other devices like a PS3. Or your laptop directly into the iMac and use it as a larger monitor wreck because they're using these 27 inch screens the screens are gorgeous all of their their amazing. But now with the integration of thunderbolt they've removed the mini display port. And Apple later confirmed later on by an -- said that you can only now use the target display mode. If you using a thunderbolt dependable device right so target this. -- load is gone for old Macs going to a new iMac but it exists for a new MacBook who -- it and a thunderbolt MacBook. Which revealed a new MacBook going to and -- iMac I don't think this is a problem. It's it's not up. I'll be puzzling problem either because the reason you'd want to use targets flame mode is if you have a portable computer that is more powerful than your desktop -- iMac. And that means that you're not probably. -- in rare cases you might want to but -- probably not going to want to run your old you know white MacBook. On that and target -- -- on a brand new you know Quad Core. IMac yeah so -- -- had to do I think to make the protocol layers match up on this on the thunderbolt. Until an editor's degraded and -- I think that the downer even though might be a small community is that there's like this. Let's say of the college kid who has -- Xbox PS3 console that doesn't -- a bias mean in can just throw it directly on news. 27 inch iMac -- can't do that yet that's really the most compelling reason to have that feature for Sony's -- background so allow. -- -- -- Alright doesn't that can -- for our -- to block but we're gonna come back after ad break we're gonna talk about carriers. Or as an Android cracking down on tethering apps. Maybe not so open anymore plus Amazon's tablet rumors that eating a lot worse thing. What about the buzz on everybody -- needle in in the house today Audi and only today is even beat him run in the board's. -- enough. Alright guys. Did a false story with Android and the marketplace it appears that carriers in the US have started a crackdown on Android tethering apps. Once readily available and easy to install a set up your Android phone to be used as -- you know using a Smartphone -- a -- hot spot without. Technically pain for the service. They are cracking on this and a lot of these apps -- used to work for example an app like PD net and we're not type and outside loading or anything like that yet but just. -- they're not they're not actually bottom side loading -- they're not like I know Google's enabling that carriers to say that you know we don't want. A tethering app in the marketplace will take at Google take -- out. And this is a very interesting and much more complex -- than you would think because. The state the the license for the for the spectrum -- the carriers use says that they can't actually do this and that's because when. Google did. For 700 megahertz spectrum they kicked. The -- ended up -- up into this area into this arena of amount of bit where it had to be open air open bandwidth. So the carriers are walking -- fine line of borderline. Breaking that contract. With. With the FCC to it to have open Airways because technically that very closely -- that they're using is technically should be open to yet efficient today that they can't. Restrict. Users from getting anything they want over the air including apps but this is borderline legal. Religion. Anyway. And you can still do decide what we'll see if Google starts the you know put -- clamp down man you need. And I don't know if kind of a -- but you know the carriers will make their money if -- if there if if they if you want. Data you want tethering you know data function -- gonna figure out a way to charger port. -- will you know -- -- -- now as they've nurtured and been around this industry enough in the mobile game it's not it's not so open anymore. This is -- the status and with -- sweet guy you know no tethering dealing with multiple routers multiple devices isn't that easy to privacy Leo in the out -- out the window -- so it's. There are growing up in sometimes we're feeling the pain -- that as well. New and it is like grown up it's like you know you have you grow up you -- media responsibilities of parents -- the to a ground view and -- that kind of stuff for -- -- may look like it can sometimes lead responsibility is live. Children listening and when I -- children that I like people still in college and below. Enjoy your freedom those -- the best days of your life I no lie. Junior high. College -- torrent out of college without a jolly good bandwidth out of college dorm room bandwidth. -- -- But that I'm just saint tree to drink it up because it's gonna go not to access the with the development -- -- All right an Amazon music want to this is -- -- at times -- -- -- -- entrenched in the supply chain -- -- devices. -- over in Taipei time. Did at times as quantum has received tablet PC orders from Amazon -- recently -- received a we have orders from hands on first reported tablet PCs has been. Long rumored and device will also receive full support. -- -- -- From the Taiwan based -- for -- display maker. As well supplied its fringe field switching technology fringe field I don't know that show -- -- -- Are you still watch -- I watched the -- -- -- likely go apparently got the moving on again. Also the so that's a fascinating story and something that we've always probably. Not but we haven't seen natural numbers reported New York Times reported -- the ownership of TV sets. Balls in the US of for the first time it's one years the number of homes the united -- -- televisions has dropped from 98 point 9%. Now to 96 point 7%. This is a huge story. I mean we are the TV culture Graham and finally there's in this couple reasons that TV ownership is beginning to drop one we switch to high Def. And digital and so a lot of he's became obsolete and to people throughout their TVs right but then they didn't replace them they replace -- because of the Internet. So do you need to be if you're getting out of college right now do you need it -- -- you've got you know. You're Hulu Netflix. HBO go well actually -- Google you need you -- it's important to you in a cable about for now yeah. But just like Netflix have launched there online only subscriptions -- It is only a matter of time and HBO -- do this kicking and screaming but it -- have to do eventually have an online only version of it so. You don't need a TV you need an Internet connected screen but you don't need a television. And there are certain users as we've found in people that have tried listening and some of our own staff members -- try to quote unquote. -- and you know cut the cut up -- -- or I would do if I could cut the cord. It but it doesn't it doesn't work for -- -- but it is working for many of for many people you know depending on the type of content you watch in what is important to you from. When you receive are not a sports obviously not generally quite -- and if you have to be on top of the latest shows all the time. It may not be dependent. -- Vietnamese Davis that HBO go now I -- I love I adore H I've only half right three days if it's in crap it's better. HBO go on a computer or an iPad or something. Is better than HBO on -- TV except for the fact that this so it's mainstream now after sitting in in you know you're -- you've got like a 27 inch monitor. In a spilling more derision than sitting six feet away from before our -- literally oral with the iPad to use plug in an HDMI cable and run the app and then run it on your bigger I don't -- the problem is of course like I said you can't get HBO -- -- are already paying for -- -- but that helped change. And it'll be great -- when -- -- Yes so this -- this survey or the -- -- is done by Nielsen which takes in their own TV set ownership in a count of one a produces the ratings. They also say. Two of the reasons for declined one of a much Rafe talked about people changing over you know it's -- the young techno files -- having to edit and know how to do this another reason is. Poverty with a lot of low income households. No longer only TV sets out where compatible the transition they're not willing to buy a TV that you don't mean you're -- at 36. 42 inch TV that still around 40500 bucks. Yet it it was a bad time in retrospect considering what happened with the economy to make the digital print digital transition very bad timing because -- -- it this franchise at the lot of television viewers. -- and also. Now what Nielsen's rating system as they've seen this evolution change. There it's also prompt him to think about redefining the term of a television households to include Internet viewers Internet video viewers I don't know how -- can -- that acts. Yeah I did it the Nielsen rating system is already you can argue is already -- because they put in a boxer represented demographic of 5000 people. Not you know and you don't know who has Nielsen box -- anyone -- has Nielsen box if you know them there and you're not what's that tell people and date they -- what they watch and that's the that's a gold mine if -- yet until lock on your show. Nielsen has always been flawed and the only way to do the best guess estimate yet I mean I when I was a kid we where -- -- suite at a Nielsen survey once and this -- In those days. You'd be catalog book -- exactly and the right now wrote it down memory and an I don't know what -- -- -- like -- green stamps and return I don't know -- but if we did it for summaries and movement of ethics are -- market -- They you know I I'd be very curious to see. Once as measurements. Get you know a lot cleaner and a lot more accurate. What shows are really bring in this is this as well as curious this is the wave of the future for Nielsen this -- -- into now I think -- -- just bought them. Have you seen this -- now -- is this where it listens to the programming in the -- cause -- yes like the recognition audio recognition and yet you turn it on and it's like sound pound or something except it's like clicks as Amber's. Exactly TV and you just run it and it listens to what's happening over the air and it identifies the show many can -- about. Or you could use it to do new stuff is so it has a direct recognition for it in a lucky breezing gag -- -- into now. It's audio recognition collecting whose court didn't Yahoo! just acquired him so yeah we did we did that's great. That's about the time. Does sometimes your brain rots on the show on this time there's a lot information companies don't want to -- -- -- -- your -- All right and a Twitter to bite sweet tech for forty to fifty million dollars they've acquired tweet deck and this is. More -- it looks like more of a defensive move. And have they actually will techcrunch report that this has been reported before -- this was reported that an acquisition by -- media. Was all but done 12530 million dollar ranger. Uber media is also scooped up other Twitter clients like uber Twitter -- phone and others federal and so. Twitter in a defense in defense of new went for tweet deck in person for anywhere between forty million dollars. While that's interest thing so much for this. Well and it's great for the guys who wrote tweet tweet deck -- anchor they finally have their exit and but who who ever thought. That they would create this incredible Twitter client and -- Twitter would buy them -- an especially after Twitter open all the stuff up. Of people write these great apps and they're all these apps that receive and make tweet that. The Apple phone. -- bought we she's going away and twitters ending up owning the major clients I'm wondering if there's a very very weird. Way for a platform to grow up could you imagine you're the developer of a Twitter app. Just using their AP and the unit in the end -- bought for four you probably did expect there to acquire. At the time yes the smart ones probably planned -- Hoped for it it -- planted the seeds in but how many can buy mean generally you think when you're in market like this. That you create the number one app for doing whatever. -- to -- states that better search algorithm and you think yes in Google by you and everybody who's doing the same thing they'll be one. What's happening that and is that Twitter is and -- media they're buying multiples. It's very interest. -- -- more they're behind them right to get the data stream from these different -- users that use the different apps as you might say. The general user uses the Twitter app that they see in the -- -- on the act but he selling is like a little each year about Twitter. And wants others you know. Other add ons or you -- use something like two I don't know. I can understand why Twitter who wouldn't want who -- media to own tweet deck and all those users it will get problem. But I don't know what there but minus that -- on the why they would buy. Evidence part of -- get some -- them for -- into traffic anyway I'll go through their servers and they see everything they don't need them. Who knows some you know -- that thing -- you. You can always. Out. Another is going to be a great little story but there's always openness and a letter -- and even -- people other -- it. Sorry I dragged on -- notably didn't try and understand there's been thought okay -- -- -- automatically gets as many little slap in the place. And our view it -- And -- punches. All right just the follow up on the story that -- loves to hate Apple's -- iPhone according to consumer reports. The amazing someone actually decided to measure with calpers what do actual journalism actual journalism work. -- -- -- They -- according to their measurements they did only test one -- white iPhone. So you know -- says wilders not that there -- be of variants of this is a very portal story I mean can you imagine what it would mean to the world if a white iPhone with actually thicker than the black iPhone. I mean seriously think you. According to the results -- -- found. Not thicker -- the black I've found you know what I solvents or -- white iPhone yeah its clinical. It's always kind of cool because it's different -- -- actually -- the -- its -- If you're -- it's like it's like dust I would give full of and I unicorn whole lines are -- -- and right now -- -- -- -- life. Also are also just been illustrates that one agreed to -- about Mac OS-X lion and the latest build. The latest developer -- that was seeded last Friday looks like it'll green and be green -- list like uninstall processes for the Mac to make uninstalling so much easier. Clicking and holding and clicking the X but I was right you are what. Please refresh the memory of some of oh it was kind of obviously I can hardly claim to be aging on this one but I said early on that the very -- -- that via IOS analysts and we're gonna merge at least in terms of you why. A -- during this unit said this when the iPad one was out he saw the interface -- in -- around snow leopard or lion in Atlanta the president. Is this like it's it's a new. It's a new way it's easier -- -- easy even easier for -- people to use and pick up then Iowa then -- and there's like this is where Apple's going to they're going to this is going. Mostly it's because the App Store. I mean that's the real thing because that is such a money machine for Apple they make so much money off of the App Store. That. Is pretty clear that that oath and it's gonna move into an App Store model with what's cool about -- -- line because I've been in a -- with a lot is. You have the option to use this more IOS -- or completely -- that's at the transitional period. It before it completely takes over -- that -- in the relative. Intermediate time of bilingualism. As -- as they shuffle everybody over to the -- World today I don't I don't I definitely see it integration is definitely there but out of it's gonna completely pillar. I'm just sane and mentally ill see what -- I -- I'll eat a whole bowl -- Korea and a horrible aren't I'll I'll put it up for. Also found that means of AT&T is also taking on -- group behind it. -- tapping the billion multibillion dollar market for online coupons thoroughly dominated by group on as well as a living social has a little bit of sites that -- The site on its yellow pages dot com. There really -- courage -- going to be rolling out. In Los Angeles Atlanta and Dallas Fort Worth first the trying to sweeten the deal by having customers who register on -- yellow pages dot com to. Get a ten dollar credit. Beginning today AT&T this is like the newspapers trying to take on Craig's list it's too late it all its apps are now stealing its. The L I mean yellow pages as -- what need I mean. The coupon guys are gonna kill Yelp pages and -- is what's happening in making your -- pages so they have to do this but. And there are hundreds I mean literally hundreds of coupon services -- sites out there right now. And I don't know me may be able to get -- there'll be opened his customers to do these coupons I don't know the last time either reading -- yellow pages dot com. I am on a campaign by the way I'm signing in every time -- get it AM the legal footnote -- ping me sign something to Mexico way. Survey for what that word I don't -- brain buck anyway opt out service. Some like that could be it. The yellow pages the books the physical book the distribution of those. Got to stop plan as one of the most horrible -- the paper in the universe I haven't used it like you -- avenues that physical phone book in you know. Or a beer can remember when I I keep one petition to keep one Lincoln -- or -- -- Catholic Internet or all of our -- things go down and have. A phone but really -- -- that's actually kinda smart could. I'll but it only member -- -- dials 91. I don't wanna -- on on it yeah that's gonna eventually get to this'll the place you in. Yeah hopefully -- it comes -- that. We got bigger problems make -- phone via. Just to give you guys an idea of the numbers that are being thrown out there of why AT&T might be jumping on this on the numbers -- final over the place there's predictions by. You know certain groups that say the coupon only keep on industry will grow the three point 93 billion dollars in 2015. This is from one point 25 billion this year. And if there's the most favorable conditions sales could reach as much as six point one billion dollars. I don't think anybody's coupon sites and I'm not sure about living social but the thing about group on the interest thing is that it is inherently -- because an order for a -- to kick off. You have to have so many people yet -- Facebook's deals and I like that they're just. Deals yet assured us steel -- DuPont -- happening get a friend in fact -- a -- -- a few months. You're welcome it's all right -- you are you also wrote an article about penalties aggregators right. Yet. With the called again queues as you on two -- -- which you choose. It's this little service that them pixel these coupon sites and you tell what your interest in what -- likely follow. And it will read all your emails and got all these sites and tell you when there -- deals. We already have -- aggregators and this is like a coupons coupon aggregators deals coupons all the emails you get. Its -- service than any kind of if you want to not get taken and not pay retail you don't have to. You kinda need a service like this that will track all that all those deals have flown around those cues on mower related to brick and mortar deals but also integrating only coupons notes more online. Well it's it's it's more for -- is for the email offers that you get. For tracking. -- been specials in in the coupon on the coupon sites. For tracking the -- you get in group and living socialist that are it pulls them all together and use dashboard. Of what that current deal is on -- I suspect there. It's it's -- Ellis told deals industry has exploded causing college my next door neighbor. He was the guy who wrote and built this -- called sleep deals dot net -- -- a -- -- should invest that. Will it wasn't like he is making a public meaning you just. Pocket and all himself because he wrote the program and nobody was. -- -- -- -- -- While that was a long time ago when he did that in ten years ago believe it or not you guys and -- -- years ago. -- -- RA. Most of what we're gonna get a -- he's now an announcement it's. Our right this is your story I wanted to just news about this. News endometrial over bullying has given the phantom ray in its first test like the -- -- Is and you can have an unmanned combat aerial vehicle. It looks like stealth fighter -- a copy because it is in -- a stealth -- and a fifty foot wingspan that because of fighter jet. And they're basically flying it now now and the reason. This is cool -- -- its stealth. I mean it's healthier even than the current UAVs which are so quiet and why -- so high and use a little -- can't hear -- lithium. This was actually stealth technology it's I mean this guy -- -- -- be clear I mean it looks like something right out of terminator just a flying wing with an air intake and -- death parts the cattle over. This is trays so they come in -- a seventeen minute flight that took place following a series of high speed taxi tests. In March that validated to -- guidance navigation and control. Verified mission planning pilot interface and operational procedures and that's not a window there that's an air intake and I think up. -- congestion to and the flight demonstrated at and raise basic air worthiness in the state traditional flight the next few weeks now I've got I just -- another reason to -- this is. Very self serving -- Friday reporters' roundtable. We're talking about drones and UAVs and you know bin Laden's drone -- compound which was covered in danger room on wired. I've got Steven Ackerman from the danger of coming -- the show on Friday were gonna talk about this and other UAVs in politics and policy. Going to be great show thanks for the commercial time you welcome but I have a question so years so bin Laden's compound was. -- Drone on non drone -- what what they said what an actress -- said it was that was kind of drone proof because it was right next to. A military compound and it was under the anti aircraft umbrella of a nearby city. So that it they were doing any type of flights aren't like that they would have the rate used to shoot it down -- that was a good place to be too you know. Protect yourself from flying to from -- quality if you want to protect yourself from robots. Army you might be scared about this -- -- but it is still happy ending for something. I'm ecstatic but slightly worried and confused because Arnold Schwarzenegger. Done with his term as the dominate patent. Will beat back. In terminator five. -- 63. Year old actor. As -- -- determining their rights. Package being shopped around as he has with director Justin landed if you guys are familiar director discipline he is the director of the fast in the theory is movie -- I would do is act which is -- -- I know we'll be there. The movies the movies it is -- shopped around also. Sarah Connor and Kyle -- are supposed to return there is no indication of where this story falls in the -- of terminator but com. Arnold's done it was Sacramento. Now. Nicely done these days -- -- active and a -- how do you -- -- -- the content 2014 itself. I guess to take an old Jeff Bridges -- thing to its logical conclusion but I mean the idea if he supposed to be a robot he's and he's like 63 years -- on a -- he's probably pretty good shape for the -- EI if you look at his base really yeah you -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Think he's the Botox Botox does amazing things well Botox plus nano. Actuators under the surface layer of them when it whatever yeah obviously -- Arnold -- -- I'm excited Sudan and also. Actually you know we're gonna save that strictly for tomorrow analyst. Real estate that's for the last -- happy ending to that'll be happy aren't your call because he likes cats are right until our feed -- -- Okay guys there are no voicemails they -- -- -- pleading emails wishing that they let you guys keep on -- -- to buzz at cnet.com. A -- for dispersal and this one comes from grant the shipper from Montreal. -- -- sellout with people tweet results using the hash tag tweet the results yesterday in Canada's federal election. There is talk that Twitter may have violated the premature transmission law in the elections act -- raise -- eyebrows. -- can't help it. A lot dating back because I don't see there are 38 and stops the media islets from broadcasting results until polls nationwide have closed. When the -- -- the average citizen did not have the resources transmit results on a -- scale like we needed a thinks the social networks once again the Internet -- the status well. -- Internet grant included two articles talking about how some other adults were leaked by Nash. By national TV stations before. People and you know down the -- own chain. -- it even had the chance to make their votes revealing no winners in this fascinating it's absolutely fascinating it's at its once again laws oak trail technology massively. The question is though if you're citizen care about the -- -- not tweet about what you're planning at about elections -- the like that well this is also new post Twitter silence on people you take this you don't you you turn -- you take as the even Sony like a TV show premier. Or the results of a basketball game. In -- stated I if I won it by keynote would -- those important or people don't wanna hear about what people time at the latest movie or. Let's -- the finale of lost the finale of lost you have here's what you have to do. You have to legislate the appropriate use of a spoiler alert. Like some sort of we can go to Canada Canada vote spoiler alert -- SA. CBS say you know and then people just don't want to silly but -- -- Italy V -- today. Some of that lets the -- and -- Not using a spoiler alert when you're supposed to should be a misdemeanor at the very least a -- and understand. All right because the courts -- -- -- -- you wanna take that you know. Kyle from Wisconsin gets their paid dollars just thought I would point out that the eighteenth he bandwidth caps only are in effect for those who can see the band with tool on their accounts eighteenth he has said that the tool is still in beta. So the caps will roll out gradually we -- -- -- and later -- I honestly don't know 100% -- this is to -- not articles as they stated that they were gonna be rolling out but if people. Who have AT&T service. That have the beta tool if -- and it taps to be internal matter people are doing have a tool and AT&T has contacted said they -- will be in place Atlantis now I think -- -- caps are evil however this is this makes them slightly less evil because when Comcast. Rolled out their band with caps. They did not yet have the bandwidth meter available to users with this oh by the way you can only have 250 gigabytes of only two for two -- is you can only have 250 gigabytes a month. And no you can't tell how many but they -- -- excellent cellular air and yet sorry blah the FI. So they finally got -- right -- confusing right in front yeah I'll let us know guys on this email comes from neck. Hello my buzz crew Brothers remember your -- story about police taking -- opera don't. Here's a lovely example and includes a story this one camino let's say that -- replacements or accidentally. -- -- Well coming from Michigan but you can talk about the app -- -- -- -- I read about this app. It's in fairly it's it's available to police and the police. The Apple -- fortunate I cannot associate -- in your living room and getting a flustered and in same -- with me and premature transmission and. And thinking you anyway there's an and basically these the police have the -- they plug in your iPhone think iPhone only -- the Mac app and whether your phone is locked or not it will tell you it will tell police calls you've made emails you sent text message you sent where you've been apps you have. Everything basically on your phone revealed wide open Comodo to the cops. And the ACLU is trying to put the brakes on that note there's also portable version of this they they could. That there were reports. That some pleas were thinking about or actually using when they won't pull people over that give me your phone plug in in the beautiful mystery which is completely. Content yet -- absolutely this is crazy so this device here that was posts in this article. From our readers called the cell bright US Edie used by Michigan police and the device found the specific device -- -- -- your phone and it support. -- something like 3000 different phone models and no really this one can even defeat password protections to grab all the photos -- be on top and I found with it when it's. Terrifying. If you see one of those things if you if your local law enforcement guy has like this thing that looks like a portable or register run. Not in -- elves run. Brian and once again solid legal lights are -- run from a -- -- A heated up and wrong here and that's right to deny you running ferret and now its -- -- -- both glad hopefully news. This will be seen for what it is which is. And unconstitutional. Violation -- -- however the fact that the technology is out there means that it will be used. But some people somewhere and it is very scary stuff it's. I would like to see phones that are. More secure -- what I would like the city. I know there's always a way that but I don't think we're gonna see that doesn't -- I hear this one this -- -- comes to us from Paul. Paul says so -- basketball I was out of town a helicopter crashed in my town a few blocks away from my house Indiana Pennsylvania. I have a friend who's a state police officer silly policy -- affected and for me seconds after happen. The next forty minutes I scour the web for any news include FaceBook the local paper local radio stations etc. I thought to check Twitter and once there they were pages of people tweet about the incident with photos and descriptions of the scene plus. A link to local police and fire emergency scanner channel. I had access to live sound and saw images and information almost as it was happening all because of Twitter. This -- -- most amazing things I can remember since the Internet was -- -- I found -- -- -- -- way before anyone from the local news channels probably even knew about the incident. I spent the next hour on the web grabbing photos from fellow tweeters and sending photos to friends and these channels while listening to all the emergency personnel discussing the event. This goes hand in hand with the Osama death. And this kind of thing is change the way people gather news happens almost instantly with these services and I am so glad I can experience the technology and its benefits. Baseball and we're absolutely and agree with you gaming and an analyst -- story via the Internet you -- getting a lot of publicity. Even more with all these events people's. To forget the Twitter has been getting this kind of publicity now for years and -- the LA fires happened they LA fire department and emergency -- that the Twitter feed we could. Like -- roads being close and open in shelters opening stuff like that. So Twitter has huge public safety benefits. Not -- you know we -- yesterday we talked about how is it had another scene -- moment and I. I guess I got caught up in a little bit but I was really trying to say was it was a moment for citizen journalism to actually document something like that -- play by play. But we've seen where Twitter. It's almost publishing now to see Twitter broke the news first -- we -- talked about the solely -- flight -- -- landed the plane in the Hudson River. Where that photo the first photo onset of people we -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Twitter breaks the news but still -- and reports yes yeah there is a difference. You I didn't make that up I got that -- Twitter but. Set you really -- Show off -- -- tomorrow just because. Of the election -- -- just keep these here around leaders on the but we will accept. More of your menu suggestions and offerings it will show -- on the show. But if you -- we take our show notes of everything we talked about here in the links to the stories. But our website at -- dot cnet.com you can call us at 80616. 2638. 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