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Ep. 1314: Where we don't give it away for free
It's Monday, August 5, 2013.
You're listening to The 404 Show on CNET.com.
I'm Justin Yu.
-I'm Ariel NuÃ±ez.
And that's it, just the two of us today.
-Just us for today.
I'm just kidding.
This is cool.
So Jeff is actually out of the office all week.
-It is cool.
-I forgot where he went.
-That is so great.
So we're gonna have a great week and with
Jeff's absence that also means that, Ariel, you and I get to handpick which guest we want to be in the studio.
We chose very wisely today.
-We did, we did.
And it's someone that's a little more rare to the show.
It's someone-- you know we usually have Stein on or Joey or Bridget and Marc.
All those are great guests but they don't compare--
-Not at all.
-And we've been working on this for, what, 4 years now.
-We have to go through her people and I think we finally got a hold of him so--
-I couldn't believe it.
It's kind of a last minute thing but you guys Cheryl Holloway is in the studio.
-Cheryl, calm down.
You're gonna break something.
I'm very excited to be here.
-So if you're a long-time listener of the show, you might remember Cheryl from back in 2010 which I believe was your last appearance.
I think it was like 2008.
You were on 2008 and then again in 2010.
-Oh, I don't--
So you've actually been on the show twice.
-And I'm glad they were so memorable for you.
-And I know you loved being on the show, but Cheryl is a producer for CNET.
I'm a little bit different than Ariel.
I handle more of the content programming.
-What does that mean?
What does that mean for people that don't understand that?
-So like I don't know.
This is gonna be like interview or--
-So I handle the video content programming, you know, like our CNET TV playlists, you know, getting stuff promoted on the front door
and, you know, some of our content that's distributed to our partners that you may know of.
So that's about it.
And you also program the knocks everyday too--
-Oh yes, the knocks.
-Any time you go to CNET TV, you'll see some kind of personality going hey, these are the videos--
-That we're gonna show to you today.
-Just like those.
-And that's you.
Yes, that's me.
-I remember long time ago you used to do a call-in show for CNET, right, like before I started working here.
-Sort of when they had CNET Live, I used to be the phone operator.
take the questions.
-I remember that.
-I think that was weekly.
Now they do it every once in a while that yes, I used to take the questions and then send them off to--
-You know, yes.
-That was back when we used to do CNET Live, right?
-So that's a different CNET Live than the chat room we have now that you're probably watching the show on--
-So well explain that.
-But before that was called-- oh, sorry.
I didn't mean to jump in there.
But before that was called CNET Live, we had a show, a weekly live show called CNET Live.
-And Cheryl was the official like call taker for the--
-Phone operator, right?
-That seems so risky now like I don't think we would ever even consider doing a live call-in show now just because it seems like people would call in with weird questions or like start cussing on the air.
-I think they do.
Well, you know when they do like we have live events I think they take question-- I guess we don't do calls.
We take questions.
They did take calls too and Jaime would do it.
-Yes, yes, yes.
-So you get any weirdos calling in?
It was mainly just like 12-year-old kids and then--
-But we feel like it's always like a little like you know oh, I could never
talk to any girls I think like oh, can I get-- oh, can you tell me if I should get a PC or a Mac.
That was like the question of that kid all the time.
And we're like oh.
-Was there any calls that you didn't put through?
I think yes definitely.
I think some of it would be like really few like complex I think.
I mean I would-- what you would do is like I think I would pitch or I'd write down the questions and like I send them to whoever the on-air person was
and I feel like I don't know if that works.
-That was a cool show.
I enjoyed doing that.
We should do stuff like that again.
Not on this show because we don't know shit about technology.
-But I was just saying.
-I think it was also fun because like everybody in CNET TV was like all in on that show too, so it was like a weekly thing that we all contributed together, you know.
And it was starting to pick up.
I don't know why like we stopped doing it, but it was cool and we got like fed well every show.
-It was nice.
-I guess it's just a lot of production problem.
It was a huge production.
-And it did take away from like if they want us to do other things, you know.
-But I enjoyed it.
So, Cheryl, you sort of like an unsung hero of CNET, right?
Like you do a lot of the back end stuff and people don't know that.
It's you they should show their appreciation for.
So thank you for helping us pimp The 404 on the knocking stuff all the time.
-We do appreciate that.
-Any kind of promotion is good.
So yes, welcome back on the show.
How's your, guys, weekend?
-Mine was pretty boring.
I had one good night.
I went to a
He cooked me a steak.
-This is nice because I could eat steak now.
Did you know that, Cheryl, I'm no longer a vegetarian?
-I knew you were no longer vegetarian, but I didn't know you were eating like--
-I'm eating like every meal now has like a large portion of meat.
That's the best.
But just did that and just hung out really.
-How was the steak prepared?
Were you like a butter kind of guy?
Did you like put in any kind of sauce?
-I ate half of the steak with no sauce at all because he's seasoned it really well.
-And then the other half I put steak sauce all
-I know you're not supposed to do that, but man, A1 is delicious.
-It's so good, right?
-You know-- yes.
Any steak connoisseur will tell you, you gotta eat it, you gotta eat it like black and blue--
-Or just medium, right, or medium whatever like medium well.
And they always tell you to eat it dry, but I always make rice with my--
-With my steak and then I put A1 sauce over both the steak and the rice.
It's so good.
-It's blasphemy but--
It's like childhood.
season it with A1 sauce no one can see anything.
So it was pretty good then?
-Oh, it was the best.
-It was awesome.
-It was the best.
It wasn't as good as when we had steak.
-Oh, I mean I'm not gonna compare this to you, yes.
The one we had in Vegas was great for 2 reasons.
One it was just like a perfectly prepared steak.
What hotel was that at?
-I don't remember.
It was somewhere downtown though.
I forget it.
Wasn't the Monte Carlo, some random one, but the second reason why it was so good for you was because you hadn't eaten a steak before that.
-I don't think I even ate much
meat before that.
-So like that not only was my first steak in a long time but it was my first like meat dish in a long time.
-And I felt like the whole next day it just didn't digest on my stomach.
It was just hanging out there the whole time.
We won't get into the details of that.
I won't hear about that stuff.
-Man, how come I wasn't invited to your steak dinner?
-It was The 404 business meeting.
You gotta come on the show more and you'll be involved.
-Do you even eat steak?
-Yes, I eat steak.
-I mean every once in a while.
-Well, you were also a vegetarian for a long time, right?
-You're a vegan.
-Well, sort of.
I was vegetarian until like 20 and then I was vegan for like a year or two and then I was kind of went--
-Just did whatever--
-It's hard to be a vegan.
-It's hard to be vegan when you don't hang out with all vegan people.
-Well, I think in San Francisco it was kind of a thing to be vegan and then I remember all of my friends dropped around the same time.
-Like we all started eating meat around right after we finish college.
-So then it was the
easiest, was just like okay.
-It's the same thing with being straight edge.
I feel like a lot of people in high school were straight edge and vegan because they could and that it was kind of hard to obtain like, you know, you don't just go out and buy steaks for yourself.
You don't go out.
-Like you can't eat as easily get drugs or drink legally, but when, you know, you turn 18 and all those things become available to you and you're like yes, forget all that other stuff, like I don't care.
Bring on the meat and cigarettes.
Now you're a full-fledged carnivore.
I mean I've tried to go back and then I like bacon.
I mean everybody loves bacon.
-It's the best.
I've been eating so much bacon lately.
-You're gonna gain weight, man.
-I mean you're not young lad anymore.
-I know, I know.
-Then you're now a carnivore.
-I know it's bad but I'm gonna enjoy it for at least a year.
-Dude, the next 404 planning meeting is gonna take place at Peter Luger, the steakhouse in Brooklyn--
-I was gonna think Peter Luger.
-Have you been there?
-I have not.
So if you ever go over the Williamsburg Bridge you can actually see this huge building--
-Right off the Turnpike.
-And it's Peter Luger.
It's this giant steakhouse
and they have I think a 64-ounce steak that you share with a few people.
-And, man, that you do it right like that.
-Let's do it.
-Let's do it.
What about you, Cheryl?
How's your weekend?
-It was okay.
I started training for the New York City Marathon, so that's pretty much on my weekends.
I wake up early and go running and then come back and then I'm completely lazy for the rest of the day.
See you completed a half marathon a few months ago, right?
-I ran-- okay.
So I was supposed to run last year's New York City Marathon and then it
got cancelled and then I ran the Philadelphia Marathon because I've been training for like 3-1/2 to 4 months--
-So I ran that so this is my second one.
-But you know--
-Congratulations on the Philadelphia one--
It was like a year ago.
I feel like with marathon running it kind of takes up not just your weekends but it's a whole lifestyle change, right?
-You can't be unhealthy during the week and then go out and train for a marathon on Saturday.
-Yes, pretty much.
-So my weeks are pretty much like running and feeling tired.
-Though that's why next year I am
I'll run next year but I'm not gonna run a marathon.
It's just too much like I don't know.
I can't go out because I don't wanna feel like crap in the morning and I don't know.
-Could you eat a steak if you wanted to?
-No, I could truly eat steak.
-It's just like usually the night before a long run or a few nights before.
I'm not so far into training now where it's gonna be a huge hill, but once I start running like 20 miles on the weekends.
-Yes, yes, yes, yes.
-It's like I don't wanna--
-Man, I can't even imagine 20 miles.
Can you do 20 miles you think?
-On the bike.
-Can't do 5 miles.
-Think you can do on the bike?
-Yes, definitely on the bike.
Yes, I can do like probably 100 miles on the bike.
I've done that.
That's like the most I have done before.
But, man, running.
I can't run more than 5 miles.
I remember we did in high school we had like a timed mile, you know, like people were getting under 5 minutes and there's like under-4 minute club too for people that run the mile.
I did it in 12 minutes.
And now I was huffing.
-That's like walking.
I was out of breath.
-Your legs you're walking probably.
I was at full
I was like--
-Really full speed.
-I don't believe that, man.
-And I have these like long gazelle lengthy legs too so I don't know what the problem is.
I was running backwards or something.
Maybe 1 leg is longer than the other.
I was just running the circle the whole time.
-I don't know.
It was crazy.
12 minutes, man.
Then on Saturday I went to a stand-up comedy show.
-Oh, how was that?
-Do you guys go to those?
I feel like I don't take advantage of it enough but there's so many clubs that have like stand-up comedy during the weekends.
-I've been meaning to go to some but I haven't yet--
-How was it?
-I go every once in a while.
-It was bad.
-It was really bad.
So it was a Saturday night and me and two friends went out.
we're gonna go to the Comedy Cellar which is that famous comedy club that Louis CK goes into in his title credits of the show, and you know we just had plan on like having a nice evening out and then usually have maybe like an 8-comic lineup that starts at 11, ends at 1. But it's always really packed because there's only like 1 or 2 shows.
-So we went in and put our names on the wait list but we didn't get in.
-Oh, you didn't get
-So we didn't even get in so we ended up wandering around the West Village where there are a lot of other comedy clubs, and you know we were just walking and one guy stopped us.
He was like hey, hey, you guys wanna go see like a free comedy show.
It's like a 1-drink minimum.
Just go in and check out these funny comics.
I mean like yes.
You know what?
Like let's go.
-You know like we didn't get in to the Comedy Cellar.
Let's try our luck at this place.
And so we went and sat down like the guy kind of ushered us in and showed us a seat, and I knew that it was gonna be bad because then the host came up and there's like hey, let's welcome our next
comic blah blah blah.
And it was the guy that had us that was trying to get us to come in to the comedy club, the same guy.
-That's so hilarious.
It's like wait a minute.
This should not be this way.
It should be like a host.
-A separate guy that's like pimping the comics.
So it was bad.
It was maybe like 4 stand-up comedians that they had like 4 minutes of time each, but you could tell they're very green, like it wasn't necessarily an open mic night--
-But pretty close to that.
There was like a second time they have gotten up.
-I think the only good thing about that is that a lot of
their-- it doesn't last that long.
You know like if they're really bad it's like--
-But it feels longer though.
That's the problem.
Like they had maybe 4 minutes, it felt like 10 minutes each time.
I mean I don't wanna criticize guys that are getting up there because it takes so much courage to do it, but if I had to give one piece of advice it'd be to prepare more.
-You know it seemed like these guys would get up there and they would kind of work the crowd for a little bit, you know, like make fun of people in the crowd.
But it's hard to be good at that.
-You know what I mean like I feel like if I were doing stand-up and I was offered 4
minutes of time at a club, I would probably just prepare 5 minutes because I would talk fast.
-You know like I wouldn't rely on like the impromptu like hey, let me just like make fun of this couple that's been going out for 10 years.
-You know like that's hard to do, but these guys were so awkward and they would take these long pauses between the jokes.
You know when you normally see a stand-up special, it seems seamless.
-Right like it sounds like unrehearsed.
It sounds like they're just kind of shooting the shit with friends.
-But these guys they would have jokes and no transition material and they would just
be like oh, all right.
What other joke should I tell next?
-Oh, that's the worst.
-You know they would kind of narrate their own stuff.
-Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
-Or they would just walk around in pace and one guy actually was like what else, what else.
-And it was so painful like the whole audience was just kind of squirming in their seat like come on, dude--
-Oh, that's so bad.
-Just like-- I know you have it in you.
Just spit it out.
So it was really awkward and we stayed for maybe an hour and we were totally joined after that.
-I would've left right in the middle of it.
-That's the hard part is that if the comedy is bad--
-And there are lulls in the set--
-Then getting up in the middle of it like you run the risk of getting called out, you know.
I was kind of-- and we're sort of worried about that.
-Were that many people in there?
They were like 8 people in there.
-Oh, so it would be really weird like just stepping up out of there, right?
It would be definitely grounds for getting called out.
-So that was-- it was really bad.
And you could tell they were really unconfident too.
-And so when you see that, you don't really wanna be as generous with your laughters as you would at a big comedy club.
-I could imagine, man, it would be really hard even if you do
prepare for a live like comedy act, you might just forget everything you know.
-And I know there is a certain amount of like performance when doing stand-up that you gotta have to be a little impromptu also, right?
I mean I'm sure you come up with a bunch of different jokes but then figure out the order of it.
-Once you're up there.
-Like DJ like I'm sure it's a lot like that.
-You gotta figure it out as you go.
-Yes and plus the audience was being really unresponsive.
-And, man, I can't imagine what it must be like just looking out into a sea of blank faces.
up for sure.
-Just getting like telling a joke and nobody's laughing--
-That'll ruin the rest of my act if I did that.
Luckily I have practice for that every day--
-That's so true, yes.
I mean if I could offer more advice go to see stand=up, go to see someone that's well-established.
-Maybe the roll you should pay, you have to pay for a ticket.
-Maybe is like $10--
-If you want funny, you have to pay.
I feel like one of my friends is kind of a sadist
like he just purposely goes to these shows like we've been to a few open mic nights before, and I think he prefers going to those shows more than the stand-up acts because he kind of thrives on the awkwardness of the crowd.
-Like he thinks that part of the show is funny to watch the stand-ups bomb, it's kind of sad.
-You guys should've done some heckling.
-Oh, I was thinking about it.
-That's the perfect place to heckle at.
I feel guilty I could start crying, man, like they've been made fun of their whole life.
-Were they young like young people?
They were like college kids and stuff like that.
The problem is that
they weren't really talking about relevant things like it wasn't topical.
-You know like I don't know what I would talk about if I got up for stand-up, but it'd be something that like everyone could identify with.
-And the crowd is a little bit older maybe like in their 50's and 60's.
-And the guy was making-- oh, he was making jokes about SNL and about 30 Rock.
And no one knew what any of those things were.
You know he was like talking about Jason Sudeikis and like you could tell the crowd was just totally, totally glib.
That's not a good idea.
You gotta make it relevant.
-I wouldn't even get those jokes.
It was uncomfortable.
Like we just got out and we're just like oh.
Let's have some fun now.
Well, shall we get into some stories for the day.
There's not many, but there's some good ones in here.
So let's start about the first story.
This is another one of those kind of frightening stories that comes from Security Researchers that put out a new study about threatening items in your
Remember last week we talked about 3 printers giving off noxious gases because it's melting plastic 2 inches in front of your face.
-Well, you know Security Researchers are back, and this time around the latest firm is warning people about your toilet.
-Actually I should rephrase that, a toilet because there's a good chance you don't have this one.
This is not just any toilet.
This is a luxury toilet made by a Japanese company called Satis or Satis, I don't know how to pronounce that,
but they're really expensive.
This is published by the BBC, this report, and they're claiming that they have one toilet that cost $5,686, right?
The toilet has automatic flushing.
It's got a Bidet spray, plays music and has a fragrance release, all out of the same hole.
No, I'm just kidding.
It's different holes, it's different holes.
But it does all those things.
But that's not even the story here.
Security Researchers are warning that since all those settings, the
Bidet, the music, all that stuff, it's controlled by your smartphone and they found out that there's a pin code for every model of this toilet that's hardwired to be 4 zeros.
So you know how like sometimes when you access stuff on your phone you gotta enter in like a pin code, right?
-Well, this has a smartphone app that goes along with it, right?
It's called My Satis, and in order to control those things you have to download this app.
But I guess the problem is that they don't have unique codes.
There's like an administrator code that you could just punch in 4
zeros and then you get access to any of it so you can basically control anyone's toilet from your phone.
-So you can't even flush it without the pin code?
-I think you can flush it.
It looks like there's-- that's a good question.
It looks like there's a button on the left hand side but if you wanna access the Bidet spray or play some music out of your-- I don't know why you wanna do that, I guess to mask the sound of whatever you're doing.
It's like the Japanese toilets that like make the noises and stuff.
-Oh, so you've actually
sat on one of those things?
Like the Japanese toilet?
-Are those cool?
-I remember going into one in Japan actually and I mean it's like you can make different-- I can't remember what the noises were but you can make like yes you can actually make a flushing noise.
-But without it actually flushing?
Without it actually flushing.
So it makes flushing noises.
So that way you know like you can't hear what you're doing in there.
-You never heard of that?
I've never heard of that.
That doesn't make sense.
Why wouldn't you just actually flush it?
-I mean they have
other noises you can have too.
-You know just so that way you're not-- you know like when you're in the bathroom--
-Cover up some sounds.
-What other noises are there?
-It's completely quiet in there.
-I think like maybe like birds chirping or something.
-That's random like you'd have birds in the toilet with you.
-They should have like a shower sound.
Oh actually running water is one of them.
-I've never heard about like a fragrance release, so--
That's kind of cool.
-That's a great idea
I wish we had that.
I wish we had a lot of things in our bathrooms actually like a working door and a last you know--
-Yes, yes, a working lock on the door.
That would be nice.
-Could we talk about that for a second?
I mean this is inside baseball and no one cares because it only has to do with our office, but I think it's really funny.
-So there's one bathroom in the back in the-- see Cheryl you probably don't even know this, in the men's bathroom and one of the stalls for a long time didn't even have a door.
-So you couldn't even use it at all.
-Oh, I use it.
-Oh, you used it.
-Oh, I used it.
I don't care.
I just make direct eye contact.
So didn't even have a door and then finally it had a door and it worked for a while and the lock stopped working and then now the lock does work but it's missing a piece to where you could lock and unlock it easy.
You have to like stick your finger in there.
-Like you know--
-You know normally there's like a bolt where you can like push it to the side and that latches the lock close.
-Oh, I know what you're talking about.
-Well, I don't know what happened but it looks like someone just came in and the door was locked and they just
kicked it open like they just kick the lock with their foot because the whole thing is busted.
-And it's bent in too like someone just hooked out on that lock for some reason.
-Yes, yes, yes.
They had to repair the whole thing like on the whole wall--
-It was really broken.
I don't know what happened.
Maybe someone got locked in--
-It's just like beat their way out.
The problem though also is that even if you do lock the door, it may not actually lock, and so if someone goes in and closes the door adjacent to your stall, your door might swing open.
-It might open, yes.
-And that's happened to me
several times before.
The waddle, I had to do like the waddle all over it.
That wasn't fun.
So that's what we're dealing with every day in our bathrooms.
-Is there just not enough where you can avoid that stall or--
There's not enough.
-It's the best stall in there.
There's only two in there.
-Oh, is that the handicap stall?
-It's the luxury stall.
It's the hidden one.
-Where no one gets who you are--
-But if you want that privacy you gotta risk the door opening.
-Oh, there's so many things
wrong with the bathrooms in this office.
-But getting back to this toilet, so the reporters are saying that attackers could hack the unit, they could hack your toilet and they can do things like open and close the lid while you're sitting on it which would probably be really uncomfortable.
It can do things like play their own music that's coming out of whatever phone--
-Oh, that'd be the worst.
-Which means they can probably record your voice and have it like come out of a speaker on a toilet.
It could flush automatically or this is the probably the worst thing, it could access the Bidets.
You might get like a squirt up in there
when you're trying to do your business.
-That's the worst, Bidets.
Underneath that picture is like you can also store records of their bowel movements.
So they track how long--
-The My Satis app tracks how long you've sat and done your business each time.
-Oh, they just tell you how long you've--
-What you think of volume or--
-I don't know.
I don't know.
I have no idea--
-I don't know what information you would wanna put in there.
-Check your diet
like you need to eat more leafy vegetables.
The problem with this though is that if you wanna hack a toilet like this, the smartphone attaches to the toilet by Bluetooth.
I mean on the Bluetooth has about a 10-foot radius of access.
So you gotta be like in the shower if you're wanting to prank someone that's on a toilet that you're connected to.
-You know what I mean so that's like a little bit of a relief.
Unless it's like, you know, your neighbor or maybe your roommate--
-Or a hotel
-Jack you-- yes, yes.
You could do that so just be careful.
-I guess but people would have to know that you have that in your apartment so--
It has to be in pairing--
-I think it's more likely someone's friend went into the bathroom and you're the one that's--
-Securing that down.
That would be the way I would do it.
Are you guys fan of pranks?
You guys do at home pranks?
I know you live with your boyfriend.
You guys ever do that with each other?
-I'm not a big prank
guy either, man.
-And do the pranks.
-I've done pranks before--
-I like take a cup of cold water and like pour it over the shower when someone's like taking a shower.
That's like a harmless thing like it takes 2 seconds.
-Get a nice scream out of that.
-You may temporarily go into shock.
Then like slip in the shower and gain traction for a while.
-I just like scaring people too like hiding around a corner.
-Oh, We all do stuff like that sometimes.
It's a mess.
-They never get scared ever.
-Like I need--
-I don't think you would scare me either, Cheryl.
Just jump out like wow.
-What's up, Cheryl?
-What do you want?
Well, let's move on.
Let's talk about this next story here.
Let's talk about this wearable Bluetooth sensor.
I'm sorry, wearable tooth sensor.
There's no Bluetooth involved.
So we've been talking a lot about wearable computing recently, right?
-And I remember at CES this year we said that wearable computing
was gonna be a big thing in 2013.
And so far we've seen things like the Fitbit come out and there's a lot of things you can buy like there's a Nike that like wrist thing--
-That you can put on, yes, the FuelBand.
The latest thing that might be a new gadget for you is a tooth sensor, right?
So this is interesting.
It was developed by a computer scientist that lives in Taiwan and he was having problems with his daughter's oral hygiene like she was just refusing to brush her teeth like any young
And so he developed this thing.
It's a fitting that you put on to your tooth and then that tracks movement in your mouth.
So that can track things like eating or even talking.
It can listen to what you're doing and sort of like track your mouth movements.
So this is really cool.
He was wondering if maybe a Bluetooth connection can get embedded inside and then that could monitor your food intake, you know, to an exact science.
It can tell exactly how many bites you're taking per chew, exactly what kind of foods you're
eating and yes.
It's sort of in progress project right now, but he's hoping that could even help people that are trying to stop smoking or quit drinking alcohol and you know maybe one day if you cheat and you take a swig maybe that can let your sponsor know what you're doing that you're cheating.
It's really cool.
It'll help overweight people monitor their food intake which are basically render like Bloomberg sort of band, useless, but it's sort of like a technological version of that.
-That's pretty cool.
You know when I-- this reminds me when I ate that
steak this weekend, I was the last guy to finish because it was red meat I made sure I took enough bites.
You know what I mean because a lot of people when they're really hungry they just eat the whole thing and they don't like really bite it to where they can digest it, right?
You know because and red meat supposedly sits in you for a long time.
-So I took a bunch of bites and something like this would be cool because then it lets you know if you're taking enough, you know.
Yes, yes, yes.
I remember one of the weirder gadgets we saw at
CES this year was like a fork and the fork had-- remember this, it has like a counter in it and with an accelerometer and it could tell exactly how many times you brought the spoon up to your mouth which is basically like a utensil version of this.
You remember seeing this?
-Yes, I remember seeing that, but--
-Yes, kind of weird.
-What other information could it really tell except for--
-This seems a little bit more fancy.
-A little more--
-And with that you could cheat because you could just pile more food onto one fork and take the whole thing in one bite.
-But for this, you know, it's pretty specific.
times are you supposed to chew again?
-I don't know.
Is there a set--
There is supposed to be like a certain amount of chews you're supposed to take--
-Oh, I never knew that.
You didn't know that?
-For like certain foods or--
-For like red meat like for real like any meat.
You're supposed to chew at a certain amount of time so that your stomach can digest it.
I don't know.
Maybe the chat room knows.
I don't know.
-Maybe but yes.
-Cheryl, call me crazy but it seems like if I could assume I would say that you're a very slow eater.
Is that true?
-I'm not slow.
No, I'm like
average I think.
I'm a real slow eater.
-But you don't eat a lot though.
Your portions are small.
Actually I don't know.
We've been to a few buffets with you in CES and it's like--
-And you kind of went nuts on those crab legs.
-Oh, no, no.
I don't eat the crab legs.
-You had like a bunch of food on your plate.
-I'm not saying anything.
-I'm not a seafood person.
Kind of like freaks me out actually like face seafood.
-Like I don't know, feeling sick.
I have like a sensitive stomach though too.
I'm actually trying not to be a wasteful person, but those buffets I just end up being one because it's like all these different-- I like want a little bit of everything.
I do get--
-You just sample everything.
-My plate gets really big.
I feel like that always messes with my stomach too because I'm eating like chow mein and a huge lobster claw at the same time plus like ravioli for some reason you know.
-I went so crazy at the last CES.
I think I ate like 3 buffets and that steakhouse that we went to.
-I went crazy.
-All free then.
-It was the best.
It was the best.
-That may taste right.
-I think I went to one and I was like that's for sure that's it.
I'm not going anymore.
-it's just like because everybody always wants to go to all buffets so it's like all right.
-It's not-- I mean I like going but it's just-- I don't know.
For a while--
-Just end up--
-You feel like crap.
-Yes, yes, yes.
-So let me ask you, guys, this.
Would you guys be cool with this with like an embedded thing on to your tooth?
You know granted it's not an actual replaceable tooth like the one we talked about last week.
This is something like that you would fit on to your molar
that would track--
So it goes inside or over your tooth?
So this is it right here.
It's not exactly like a fitting.
It's sort of-- they put it inside of the tooth so you could see it right here this silver piece on the side.
-So it would take surgery to embed it, but I don't know.
I mean I think this could help people that suffer from like nighttime bruxism, you know, people that click their jaw or grind their teeth at night could definitely be good for something like that.
But in the article they also talked about how it could help with speech pathology as
Like for example if you have irregular speech patterns like you live in California, you're a Valley girl and you say like every 2 seconds, 5 times every sentence.
-We never say it like--
-Maybe this will help you get rid of that habit.
-I say like a lot.
-But how would it help you get rid of it other than telling you that you're doing it a lot?
-I guess just a tracking, yes, like oh well you--
-For my use.
-Said like 100 less times there.
-Maybe like had something there could like buzz your mouth or something, you know.
-Like electroshock therapy?
-That's what I was
thinking when I read it.
-Yes, or would like secrete like a really foul taste in your mouth when every time you said like.
-Maybe that would help because I already know that I say like a lot, but it doesn't really like help me--
-I mean let's be honest here.
The 3 of us are all from California.
We hang out with all Californians.
We're gonna say it like--
-We say like all the time.
I say like all the time.
-I don't know.
I've made a conscious effort of trying to stop.
-And I will stop for a little bit but then it always comes back.
And I don't know.
Is it really socially like awkward for you to say that?
I mean do people really know?
Do people know like if-- I'm trying to avoid saying that.
-Do people know like he's saying like all the time?
-I think if you say it often and it depends on who you're saying it too.
-If it's someone who is older and I think you can also get away with saying like if you don't say it with an upward inflection like you're asking a question.
-Oh, all right.
-You know like a--
You just say it you know like whatever.
Right, right, right.
-Maybe that wouldn't be quite as noticeable.
I don't know though.
Let me ask you this.
If I said it in a job interview, is that bad?
-If I say it in a job interview a lot?
-I think you should consciously not try to say it.
-You see, that's hard.
-I think when you're in that situation though, you're like trying really hard to talk more like--
-Perfect somewhere, right?
-So it's easier to talk better, you know, and--
-That's like when you're out with your friends or whoever you're just kind of like--
-They don't care.
They're not judging you.
Man, now we're saying like so much.
You just notice it more.
Oh, well whatever.
I feel like that's how people can tell that I'm from California.
-It's because I do say it a lot.
I've tried just being on this podcast I've tried to say it a lot less, but it does come out quite a bit.
-It just comes out.
You can't help it.
And I feel like it's a more casual thing, you know--
-People identify with me more if I just speak the same way.
-I don't even usually notice when people say it a lot.
-I don't either.
-Maybe because I say it so much.
I don't even notice either.
I find that if I slow down,
you know, and don't talk like quite as fast--
-And take pauses but not be afraid of that awkward silence when I do pause and I say it like less which is probably why I say it less to older people because I'm speaking slower.
-I should try that too.
Speaking of speaking a little bit slower, I wanna talk about this.
So, Ariel, you and I have spoken about this off the show--
-But it's something that I wanna talk about on this episode.
-Drops, mixtape drops.
-Oh, mixtape drops.
So it's funny.
You and I have always wondered, you know, if you guys have ever downloaded like a Trapaholic's mixtape or anything like that, you hear this one classic DJ drop and it's the voice-- that's a guy that goes damn, son, where did you find this?
-Where did you find this?
It's like for lack of a better phrase it's like white corporate guy voice.
It's like really proper damn son like a radio DJ guy.
-In the mix.
So explain to people because I don't know.
If Cheryl knows
what drops are, Jeff definitely doesn't know.
If our listeners don't know what a drop is, can you explain it?
-Oh, it's similar to when you're listening to maybe Top 40 Radio, you'll hear someone shouting out.
It's the 94-9.
-In the mix jam, you know, something similar to that, but these are customized for a DJ for his mixtapes or maybe even playing out in the club and they want something specialized for them like DJ Ariel in the mix, you know, something like that, you know.
So that's a drop.
-They're very annoying.
just because they're always interrupting the first part of a song--
-Yes, yes, yes, yes.
-But you know what?
I'm all for them because it gives props to the people that are usually unsung heroes of the music, right?
Like it's usually the producer or the DJ that put the mixtape together.
I feel like the guys that always get the attention are the vocalists, you know what I mean?
-Or even like the actual DJ's on the record.
-But for the club DJ or for the producer that made the record, this is their only time to shine.
-Yes, for sure.
-So let DJ Clue do his thing.
-You know like I feel like that was the first
90's DJ drop that I heard.
-It's like the Cluemanatti.
-Clue, DJ Clue, Cluemanatti, desert storm, whatever the hell that is--
-You know that's a thing with DJ drops that they always say this random shit and you have no idea what they're talking about.
-Like was he in desert storm or yes like his crew name?
I don't know.
-I think that's more of a New York thing because New York DJ's are just yelling all over--
-I think it's so annoying.
Funkmaster Flex is notorious for it.
-It's so annoying.
-It is very annoying, but--
-I hate that one.
-Oh, Gangsta Grillz.
-Right, right, right.
-He has a bunch of drops too.
So they're all very custom too and you could tell like you know obviously when I said that you knew it was DJ Drama.
-Yes, yes, yes, yes.
-Or DJ Clue has a very distinctive voice.
You know the one I really like is Rick Ross.
-He always has a Maybach Music.
-You know yes, yes.
-Like it's always some sexy chick with like a phone sex voice saying some random words.
-So that's actually his producers.
That's their tag.
-The Maybach Music because
they're the crew that produces that music.
-So I have one of those too.
It's the Speak & Spell going R-E-L--
-So as producers, yes, as producers you throw that in there too.
-You know it's like it gets some sort of shine.
I like that one.
We need one for the show by the way.
-Yes, we do need one.
-It'd be awesome.
I guess we have Jamie who's our voice-over guy.
-But I don't know if he does stuff like this.
-Oh, is he the one that says-- what did he say?
-1868, you know, every time we do the voice mail thing.
-Yes, that's right, that's right.
-Like that's our guy for the voice-over, so we do appreciate everything Jamie does.
He has a great
But if you're a fan of Trap music with Cheryl, I know you're a huge Trapaholic.
If you'll recognize one of the most famous DJ Traps--
-I don't know--
-You're not into Trap?
This does it here.
Let me see if I can play this really quick.
This doesn't sound familiar to you at all?
Can you turn this up, Ariel?
-Here we go.
See if we can listen to this.
-Damn, son, where did you
-Yes, that one, that doesn't sound familiar to you?
-No, it's not.
-Give me your mic.
This is one of the most recognizable ones and it sounds like a white guy saying damn son where did you find this.
He also has like a bunch of other famous drops too and VICE Magazine actually tracked down the voice over artist that does all of them for Gucci Mane's Trapaholic mixtapes.
And this is really interesting.
I know Ariel and I have already always wondered who this
And now we sort of have a back history of who it is.
It's a 42-year-old DJ named Shadoe Haze.
That's spelled S-H-A-D-O-E, Shadoe Haze.
He's a drum and bass DJ, sort of a relatively unknown guy in the backwaters of Northeast Louisiana.
And so he DJ's a lot of EDM music like electronic stuff with the drum and bass and things like that, but he actually recorded this because he does a lot of voice-over work and he had
no idea that it was really popular until recently.
-Because he sells his work so you can actually go to his website and buy these drops yourself, and you can customize them which sort of makes me wanna start a kickstarter to raise money for our own, but you can go to awesomevoiceguy.com and submit whatever you want him to say and for a small fee, I don't even know how much he charges.
He'll send you a recording.
-I bet it's not even that much.
It's just his voice, you know.
You can get those with anybody.
-This is really cool.
As a drum and bass
DJ he owns a taekwondo studio.
He has like a young daughter and it's pretty cool how, you know, the interview plays out.
You guys should go and read it because I'm not gonna explain the whole thing on the air, but I'll link to it in the rundown today.
-Just go to CNET.com/the-404 after the show's over and you could check on that interview with him.
-There was this crew out of LA called the LA Leakers and I listened to a lot of their stuff a lot and they used that drop all the time, the damn son where did you find this.
-And I thought
and it's cool because they break a lot of music.
They like introduced a lot of new music and play stuff that no one's heard of before.
-So using that drop is perfect but I thought it was specialized just for them.
I didn't know it was like a generic--
-Drop that you could get.
-So aside from the R-E-L thing, do you have any other drops that you like to play?
-I have another one.
It says Rel.
I worked with this rapper C-Plus out of Sacramento and I just took it out of the acapella.
-It's just those two.
So do you like to use the same guy
every time because I feel like it can become a signature of sorts.
You know like I know this song is gonna be good if I hear the DJ Clue thing.
-Right, right, right, right.
-It's kind of like oh, okay, yes.
Like this is-- I recognize this.
-I've started taking them out of all my music.
I started like to just not even use it anymore.
-I don't know.
It just started to get annoying to me.
-Like I feel like you don't need to do it all the time.
-I feel like if someone can recognize your sound just by the sound, that's even better than having to tag it all up.
-So if you had like an album that would be on all the--
all the songs?
-All the tracks?
-You see that.
That's what I'm saying.
It's annoying because I did produce a full album with someone, and I don't wanna put on every single track on there, you know.
-So I don't know.
And plus I get annoyed hearing it sometimes too.
The worst is when it's not even vocals.
A lot of time like Diplo just does that like pam pam pam.
I feel like that's not necessarily his thing because he definitely didn't start that.
-But every Diplo song has those horns.
-It gets really annoying after a while.
For me anyone that uses the horns is copying
-Because J Dilla popularized that.
-That's my favorite producer of all time.
Cheryl, we need you to record like a sexy version of like The 404 for us.
-Like have you heard the Maybach Music thing?
-It's kind of like a sultry like smoky voice.
-I feel like I'm so out of those.
-A lot of people are using like female voices now.
Like there's this one guy he called Mike Will Manny.
-Like a female, you heard that one?
-Yes, yes, yes.
I like that.
-Or Harry Fraud La Musica De Harry Fraud, but it's much sexier.
-It's always like a really like calm voice too.
I like those ones.
I think this is the Maybach Music one.
-There is it.
-So I guess the story behind that Maybach Music thing was it's actually a model, Jessica Gomes, that was in the studio when Rick Ross and Jay-Z were recording one day.
-And they asked her to say Maybach Music because that was the name of one of the songs--
-And they just, you know, recorded her saying that drop and then just used it for every other track afterward.
-So I guess maybe ours should be a little more organic.
Maybe we should just-- has there been anyone on the show that said 404 real sexy?
-I don't know.
Maybe your girlfriend in Brooklyn.
-What's her name again?
Remember there's 1 girl that calls up all the time.
-Tell her to call in again and say The 404.
I feel like--
-Oh, I think she did say The 404.
She said these are some fly dudes or something like that.
We're gonna isolate that track.
We're gonna go get that, yes.
Let's talk about twerking.
I know you've been waiting the entire show.
Here we are.
Take it away, Cheryl.
-What's funny is that when you said twerk, I instantly thought of that Miley Cyrus video with her in that costume.
-Was that your introduction to twerking?
-I think so, maybe.
So why don't you explain to us what twerking us because this next story sort of has to do with that.
-I mean I don't know if I really know the exact definition of it, but it's like a lot of like
bootie shaking, right?
-Yes, that's pretty much it.
-Yes, pretty much it.
-Not necessarily a new thing but it's like popping your butt while your dancing.
I guess butt popping.
-Pretty common thing, but for some reason twerking just got really popular in the past year.
Do you know why?
I didn't even look up the history of it.
I feel like it started before Miley Cyrus but--
-I think it's when they started doing the upside down twerking like doing the handstanding, leaning on the wall twerking.
-And then like there's been a lot of viral video-- it became a viral thing like where people like
twerking anywhere like and then put it up on YouTube.
There was a San Francisco video of 3 babes just twerking in laundrymats and on BART station.
-The twerk team.
-They just go everywhere on BART goes away.
-No music too.
That's the weirdest part, is that usually it's like booty shaking music when they twerk.
-And that video, silence.
-Just acapella twerking.
I like that.
-It's even better.
-So it's funny that you mentioned social media because twerking yes like you're definitely right.
It took off because of these short clips
through Instagram video and through Vine.
-Through Twitter Vine.
Twerking has gotten insanely popular and yes it got started because of that Miley Cyrus video.
I forget what that one was called.
Do you remember what that Miley Cyrus song was called that sort of started the whole thing?
-You mean from her music video or the one with--
-The music video.
-Well, I think the music video came after the costume one.
-And she's in that like 1Z?
-Oh, that's right.
She was in like a
rabbit costume I feel like and oh here.
I have it right there.
This is-- I don't know if this is a good model for what twerking is because Miley Cyrus just doesn't have a big enough butt.
There she is.
She's shaking her ass.
I guess that's kind of what twerking is.
So the reason why we bring up Vine is because another interesting side of the story is that-- let's just keep the song going in the background.
-The other interesting part about the story is that a lot of artists are getting rediscovered through the iTunes top music charts because of these Vine videos, right?
So when people record their own stuff a lot of times they'll play music that they love which isn't necessarily a new track and that's evidence by this one song by the Finatticz called-- what's that song called?
Don't Drop That Thun Thun.
Don't Drop That Thun Thun.
-That's funny, man.
-It's like a Bay area group--
-Yes it is.
-But this song is what, like a
year old you were saying?
So it was really big.
It's weird because right when I moved to New York, this got a bunch of radio play in San Francisco and I didn't even know and then my brother was sending me like oh, there's this hit right now, they're from the Bay.
-It's called Don't Drop That Thun Thun and that was probably over a year now and I guess now it's blowing up again.
-Maybe not just outside of the bay now.
-I don't know.
-It's really cool.
So this is I think something another way that musicians can promote their music is by getting
videos to go viral, I hate that word but you know getting popular stuff online and so yes.
Check this out.
There are actually 5 rap songs in the iTunes Top 50 right now, The Holy Grail by Jay-Z, Same Love and Can't Hold Us by Macklemore and then the other two is that song by the Finatticz and then another song called Gas Pedal which I've never heard before.
But you could definitely make the argument for these songs coming in to popularity strictly because of Vine sort of brought them out of the underground.
-Which I think is awesome.
I mean there was always a formula to create a dance around a single--
-You know before I know there was a lot of times people would do-- I don't know, I don't even remember.
Like do it like Bernie.
-Yes, yes, yes.
Like the Bernie, exactly, like stuff like that.
Or the dougie.
-Like the dougie was the same thing that got crazy when the song came out.
-But this is cool because it seems like it was something where the songs became big because other people were dancing to that song--
-In their videos.
-You know and then people are looking for that song or
know the song but forgot about it, they never bought it, you know.
-So I don't know.
It's just interesting to me.
-You know the story also reminded me a lot of the Harlem Shake.
-When we talked about that, you know, like in terms of like suburban white girls going after like whatever they see in music videos and recording their own social media versions of that.
-Like that's pretty much how that got started and we're seeing it again with twerking as well like with Miley Cyrus' stuff.
Yes, there's always one dance that's in style at the moment.
We just got over the Harlem Shake.
-And now it's this.
-Is twerking the new one?
-I think twerking is the
new dance, yes.
I guess so.
-I mean it's a dance that's been around for a while but it's just so big right now.
-I'm always like 3 months late.
Like I had no idea what the Harlem Shake was and then I remember like we had the CBS interactive video and like what is this.
-You didn't see the CBS interactive--
Did you see it?
-I saw that one, yes, I saw it.
-It was on like offline I think.
-Yes, yes, yes.
So that was filmed in California I guess.
-Yes, yes in San Francisco.
-I mean it was kind of just typical Harlem Shake, you know--
-So did it start with like everyone on their computers being nerdy--
was like somebody in the like downstairs just dancing and then--
-Yes like one guy--
-It had nothing to do with the computer.
It was just dancing.
-Oh, I see.
-It was like the typical office like Harlem Shake--
Yes, I'm not even gonna bring up the Rick Astley video that we did.
-I know you don't wanna talk about that.
-What is this?
-Don't worry about that.
-I tried to find it online like little while ago.
-Yes, I think so.
Someone finally wised up a little bit.
-So I don't think even if you tried
to look for it, you can't--
So then tell me what it is then.
What is it?
You're in it.
-Our good friend Wilson Tang, was it his idea that he decide to create our own CNET--
-Rickroll with Randall was the star.
-It was like green screen-- oh, it was kind of like in the iTune or the iPod kind of--
So it's like the silhouettes of those old 90's iPod commercials.
-And of course since
Wilson can't be embarrassed by himself, he has to humiliate everybody else around him.
-Right, right, right.
-And so he pulled me, Cheryl, Marc, who else was in there, Jeff.
A very young Jeff was in there like doing his like--
-Like whatever dance and yes.
So I guess that's not on the internet anymore.
-I do remember seeing that now.
-Like there wasn't-- didn't you hop in there and you're like kind of like--
-Oh, there was supposed to be a little like story line where Marc was trying to be like I don't know, dancing with me--
like I don't know.
-Yes, yes, yes.
-I remember that.
-That didn't go over.
-Oh, and then you're like oh, great acting, Cheryl.
-Yes, that's right.
Yes, yes, because I saw their video like awesome.
-You just put a hand out that's--
-I think that's what I did.
I think I was like--
We all have our fair share of videos we don't want people to see from you man.
Just watch any Apple Byte from like the first 2 years and you'll see a bunch of videos of me in it.
-I'm sure we'll look back on those videos.
-You wanna do a twerk dance for us right now, recreate that scene.
Let's do it.
-I can twerk.
I'm good at twerking, just let you guys know.
I'm a great twerker.
-But now you have to do it.
-You can't just say some shit like that.
Well you didn't let me finish.
So I'm a great twerker when I have a lot of drinks in me.
-What if we put music on and then let the camera on like me or Cheryl and then you just did it and we film the action.
That's not gonna happen.
-Can we just get like me and Cheryl--
I'm not drunk.
It's not gonna look right at all.
-You guys have to be drunk too.
-You have like proof that you're actually a good twerk.
I don't believe this.
-Or is it
-No, no proof.
-From friends that said oh--
-Last night you were so good at twerking.
I just now I could twerk because I can twerk.
-It's hard to do, right?
-It's an old dance.
It's a dance that's been around for a long time.
-I was doing that back when I used to dance though.
I don't dance anymore.
-You used to dance?
-I used to be a big dancer.
-Please tell me that you get-- do you get like on all 4's like have you seen people that do the twerking they look like a frog.
You know they would get into like a frog position--
-Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
-Do you do that?
I do not.
-You don't use like props or anything like that.
-I just lean.
-Man, like the girl--
-I gotta do the upside down twerk.
-Like that's for sure like--
-Are you like the girl--
-Is that monitor?
-Isn't it in the article?
It is on the article.
-Oh, what I wouldn't give to see that Ariel.
Vegas next year.
-It's gonna happen.
-It could happen.
-Do you have any tips for people that are trying to learn how to twerk because there are a lot of twerking 101 videos on YouTube?
What would you suggest?
I feel like I can't get it right.
-You gonna have control of
your muscles down there.
-You know and you gotta get your thighs involved.
It's not just those muscles, your thighs you get--
-Involved those too.
-What muscles are you talking about?
-I almost feel like it would help to get on your tip toes and do it.
-Yes, that helps too.
-And then put your hands on your waist.
-And accentuate, yes.
-Put your hand on your waist.
That's just a little accent.
That's a little added flavor, the hand on the waist.
Put those yoga pants on too.
-Yes, your yoga pants is a must.
That's how I do my twerks.
You know who gets twerking is Marc and Marc can do an upside down twerk too.
-I bet he could do all kinds of twerks.
-We needed to have an all-male twerking competition.
-I won't be in-- well, maybe I will be.
-At some bar or at maybe at Marc's house because we can drink in private.
So I'm not gonna put pressure on you to do it right now.
I'm definitely not gonna--
-But I'm not gonna forget either.
-Are you gonna remember that?
-I'm gonna ask you a bunch.
I wanted to show this
picture before we take off.
I don't have any voice mails today, so I want you guys to listen to this story we got.
This is so cool.
This is an email we got yesterday from Kyle.
He says I just finished a little project that I'm working on right now.
I was doing where I needed your show logo.
I'd like to present The 404 Show racecar.
This is really cool.
He says he was racing in local Connecticut autocross events in the street touring sport class, that's STS class.
-He said he had a great time doing it
and he wants to send us a video of the next event that he's gonna have where he shows off this car that he made, right?
-This is awesome.
Check out this vinyl sticker that our buddy, Kyle, put on to his car.
I think that's a Miata, right?
-That's really amazing.
-It looks awesome.
-So for our listeners right now, this is basically like a yellow Miata sports car convertible that he printed out this giant vinyl sticker and put on the side.
-That says STS next to it?
That's really, really cool.
I mean I like that sort of like
basic paired down logo and he printed it up pretty big too, right?
Looks like it's maybe 3 feet.
What was this for?
-2 or 3 feet.
This is for an auto racing class that I think Kyle was taking right now.
-So he sort of driving around and learning the ropes and stuff but he decided to personalize his car with little bit of 404 look.
This is really cool.
He uses for the blog today so thanks a lot to Kyle for sending us his car, and we'll look out for that video too.
I wanna see this thing in action.
-Yes, for sure.
We gotta start sponsoring race cars.
Definitely and awesome man.
It's really cool.
So definitely send us your video voice mails if you want this week.
We'll be playing them all week.
You can record yourself on YouTube, send us the link to the-404@CNET.com; that's our email address or you can send us a classic audio voice mail.
Call in to 1-866-404-CNET.
Tell us what you love about the show.
Tell us how much you wanna see Cheryl and Cheryl on the show more.
-Maybe a little bit of Ariel twerking as well.
If I get
enough people saying they wanna see it, I'll do it.
I was gonna get drunk before work.
A kickstarter account.
We gotta pay you to do this for us.
I don't twerk for free, man.
Don't give it away for free.
That's a good lesson to learn.
All right, guys.
Well, we'll have other guests in the studio all week.
Cheryl, if you want you're welcome to come back.
-Oh, thanks for having me.
Thanks a lot for being on the show.
It's great, definitely a long time coming.
So check us out tomorrow.
We'll be here for the rest of the week and then Jeff will be back on Friday.
So that's gonna do it for us.
1-866-404-CNET is the number.
I'm Justin Yu.
-I'm Ariel Nunez.
And Cheryl is here.
-Thanks for-- clearly Cheryl never listens to the show because she doesn't know how to sign off on this thing.
-Just say I'm Cheryl Holloway.
-I'm Cheryl Holloway.
-And we're The 404, high tech, low brow.
We'll see you guys tomorrow.
Thanks for listening.
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