Digital City No. 33: Facebook vs Twitter, and Intel's billion-dollar fine

[ Music and singing ] ^M00:00:34 >>Well that's a New York song if there ever was one, First We Take Manhattan, how do you guys feel about that? You're like what is that, we don't understand you? >>We feel soulful and chill man >>We don't understand your crazy music, Dan. This is crazy old man music. I went to go see Leonard at Radio City on Sunday. He's doing this big global tour now, his first tour in 15 years, which is saying something because he's like 75 now. >>And he's still alive >>And still kickin. Apparently when he was up at a Buddhist retreat in LA for 5 years his manager stole all his money. That's why he has to go on tour again. >>This is a bad time to have to recoup your money, after you hit your 75? >>But think about it, all the other people who lost all their money like in their 401K plans, the stock market, their retirement plans are wiped out, well so is Leonard's so there you go, it happens to everybody. >>It's gritty >>So what does this tell you? Keep your money in a mattress under the bed. >>Well I like the way Chris Rock put it, hide them in books because books are like kryptonite, well I don't have to finish it. [laughter] It was an old Chris Rock >>Nobody likes to look at >>Moving on to your topics of digital and living this and whatever else we would do here. Joseph, what exciting things are we going to be talking about today? >>We're gonna be talking about, what's so unique about Facebook? Is Intel fine or being fined and the good, the bad and ugly for video games. >>Wow that was great. >>Yeah, yeah >>Thank you, well that's what happens when I take 30 seconds to write it down. [laughter] >>Just for that Joseph you get a close up. >>Hey I'm Joseph >>You're so pretty >>We're still playing around with the cameras here. Look at that there's goes Scotty and I can jump to Julie without even looking at the keyboard and look at that, there you are and here I am again. So the first thing I want to tell you guys about besides the fact that you can actually check out our show on CNETTV now. We're going to take these videos and put them up there. I wonder if I cut to the computer screen right now if our previous episode will be up there and you can see what I'm talking about. Oh look at that, there it is. >>Alright >>That's pretty amazing >>Awesome >>More popular, I'm sad to say, more popular than the Digital City or CNETTV or any of that, is Facebook. What is going on with these guys? Apparently they have 300 million unique visitors a month which in internet parlay is a lot. Is this the most popular website in the history of the world now? >>I would believe so I mean >>You're on it, right? >>Well yeah everybody left MySpace basically, I mean all my friends I know that were on MySpace transitioned over to Facebook and they kept their MySpace account for a while but then once they found Facebook they pretty much completely >>They just abandoned the MySpace? Well Michael Wolfe who is a media commentator and the guy used to be like a dot com entrepreneur who writes a lot of books and magazine articles about this stuff, now says basically the only people left on MySpace are the poor and uneducated and bots >>Ooh >>So many bots live there >>I didn't say that, he said it. >>I'm not booing you, I'm booing him >>And sad musicians who are staking out there claim. >>Demographically speaking though he's probably right. >>Look at this chart, MySpace has flat lined. >>Oh look at that, we have a chart. >>Yeah a little charty, Facebook's huge and Twitter is just an emerging little nothing, on that chart, on that graph. >>Twitter's growing very fast though, that's the key to remember. Twitter is growing very fast. Facebook is a monster. It's got 300 million unique visitors last month, according to comScore and that's like the guys you go to to get all the graphic numbers for websites and as accurate or inaccurate as they may be, meanwhile MySpace still has about 123 million uniques a month, Twitter has 32 million. >>But many of those uniques are like Blue Whales and fake people. >>The blue whale is very popular. >>I love the blue whale but they're like ghosts and mysterious. I have my son tweets, that's my creation. >>Really, and you ghost write for him? >>I ghost write for him. >>What do you ghost write for him? >>Poop of the day. [laughter] That's a unique for Twitter. Let me say I love blue whale but I >>32 million uniques in April but that's up 70 percent from March. But that's an exponential rate of growth. >>Joseph, you're on Facebook, right? >>Yeah I think one of the things that makes Facebook so popular is that people actually use their real name so if you're looking for a friend you can pretty much type their first name, maybe their middle name or their first name and last name if they so choose >>And you can do it by school and stuff like that too >>It's easier to find people there than MySpace. You know, baby girl gotta work could be anybody you know. [laughter] >>The problem with MySpace is you can just customize the pages in the ugliest ways possible. You go on anybodies MySpace page you have an epileptic seizure just lookin at it. At least Facebook keeps that under control. >>Don't leave out the long load time's cause depending on how much flash and videos or they'll have alike an audio track with a video playing and you get like this mishmash of music matched with the flash. >>Animated gifts since like 1997 >>That's what it is, it feels like the beginning of the world wide web when you go on to people's MySpace page. >>No matter if you have the fastest connection it will always take forever in a day just to freakin load up because they've got like the glitter in the background and the huge rose like coming down and then you've got like three YouTube videos that are loading up [laughter] and their music list, you know the playlist. I mean, it was just insane. >>And then 9 out of 10 of the pages are like white text on a black background which I think we all got rid of back during you know the second Clinton term. Whenever somebody would come to me like a mock up for their website and they'd be like oh it's gonna be black and I'm like, what are you doin dude? That's so old. So there. >>MySpace is dead >>Ok there you go, Julie said it, MySpace is dead. >>Well apparently not for some people according to some >>I think they're just keeping it because they don't want to bother you know like getting rid of their account and >>You know what Rumsfeld called those guys, dead enders. >>Dead enders >>And speaking of dead enders I think we've kinda run this conversation into the ground. >>I still have a unique on there that I need to remove, probably part of that flat line. >>A unique? >>123 million unique so I'm one of them but I haven't accessed it. That's why it's flat lined. >>But if you haven't been there in the last month then it doesn't count. >>That's true >>Unique visitors >>That's true it's not unique. >>You're not as unique as you think you are. [laughter] >>Now there was a crazy story this week. Intel, the guys that make all those CPU's or all the different computers that we use, they really own like 90 percent of the desktop and laptop market, European regulators were worried that Intel was practicing anti-competitive practices against their competitors like ANB and other guys so what the Europeans like to do is they like to fine people. Here in the U.S. we like to say oh that's no problem, monopolize away. In Europe they actually fine people. They handed down a 1.4 billion dollar fine against Intel because the European commission said that Intel violated anti-trust legislation by giving rebates to PC makers to use their chips. Basically cutting all kinds of deals so it was cheaper to use like an atom versus like somebody else's Netbook chip and not just a little cheaper, just anti-competitively cheaper. And that sort of thing is frowned upon so big fine for them. >>I have such a hard time like with these corporate numbers. Is that a lot or a little? You know when you hear about budget numbers 1.4 billion that sounds tremendously large. Is that large in the scheme of things? It is a record. >>In the kind of scheme of our economic meltdown and stimulus packages maybe not that big bit even for a big company like Intel I'd say that's kind of big. Julie, do you have 1.4 billion dollars on you we could borrow? >>Let me check my book, no I don't. [laughter] The ATM machine coming out of the crack >>Julie actually loaned me the .4 so she has the 1 left. >>Yeah let me check my mattress. >>Yeah it is a big amount but I mean in terms of their sales how much did they make from undercutting, you know? Is it a wash? >>Well here's the thing. They'll never actually have to pay this because they'll be years and years of bills and who knows what, if anything, they'll actually end up paying. However worst case scenario, I did a little back of the envelope math on this, if you figure out that they owe 1.4 million dollars. >>Billion >>I mean billion dollars and they sell a lot of these Intel Atoms CPU's for Netbooks the average cost of an Atom by itself is $53. That's what they charge you if you want to buy an atom to put in your machine. So they would have to sell 27 million, 169 thousand, 811 new Netbooks in order to pay off this fine. So you figure you know they run a couple of sales, they get some people to write nice reviews on Netbooks like we do, back to school season people buying them for classes and stuff, I figure it's no problem. >>Or the so called Verizon promotion now. >>Or that Verizon promotion where you get the Netbook for $199 and with a free G antenna if you sign up for 2 years of the Verizon service which is kind of a good deal but kind of not a good deal at the same time because you end up paying $1500 over the course of 2 years for this thing when they're giving you basically $100 off the list price on it. >>If you lose your >>Isn't AT&T doing the same thing? >>AT&T is gonna do the same thing and other carriers are gonna do the same thing. >>You lose your Netbook you're like F damn I'm canceling it. [laughter] >>So according to IDC which is a big trade firm that tracks this sort of stuff, Netbooks already accounted for 8 percent of the portable computer market over the last year and that's up from like zero percent. So that's a big jump for one year. And stuff like that Verizon promotion you mentioned or Dell, they have a $299 version of the mini 10 which is a fairly decent if not particularly exciting Netbook. All that's gonna add to sales so >>So no problem >>So 1.4 billion dollars isn't such a big deal. >>Plus they can start selling fancier more expensive atom chips in the future and you can sort of >>Well that kind of defeats the purpose of having an atom chip once they make them more expensive but they're definitely trying >>They're trying, yeah >>Are they doing something with Verizon like with Apple and AT&T where they get a little something on the back end from the monthly subscriptions? >>That I don't know but I assume they're just giving, it's like buying a phone. It's very similar to buying a phone where you get a subsidized price in return for signing up for the service and then you know everybody makes more money in the end and you end up paying a lot. Instead of having one of those little USB keys like you do where you can plug it into any computer you have the convenience of having it built in. But at the same you know you're stuck using that one machine. You can't use it on anything you have. >>That's true. >>You have one of those keys, do you use that a lot? What do you think? >>I use it actually >>Whip it out [laughter] >>Excuse me while I whip this out >>And I find it pretty useful. I don't need it that often but >>That's kind of a big one >>727 is one of the early editions but it also has a micro SD >>It has a gun sight, what is that? >>You focus the death rays. >>But you can put data on the micro and you can also get on the web so it doesn't waste that USB port especially when using a Max air for instance. >>Even a Macbook doesn't have 3G. I find them very useful when I go to trade shows like CES or E3 or something where there's WiFi there but there's 50,000 dirty schmucks running around so you can never get on the WiFi and if you have a 3G connection at least it's your connection and you can probably get online and do whatever kind of blogging or twittering you're gonna do. OMG I just saw [inaudible]. >>If you want to make a quick credit card payment you really don't want to do it on public WiFi. >>Ok, ok >>Log into your credit card account and say let me make a quick payment because I'm going to be in Florida for a few more days. >>Duly noted, oh speaking of Joseph you were telling me about some things you wanted to see on Netbook. Some must have features you want to see on the next generation of Netbook. >>Well this was a dream Netbook. >>A dream Netbook >>That Scott and I were discussing earlier >>Josephs dream Netbook comes into the office and starts doing his job for him. >>We started thinking about what we could do. >>The biggest complaint with Netbooks >>If I knew how I'd put the 2 of you on a split screen. [laughter] >>The biggest complaint with Netbooks, at least on my part, aside from the small screen because that you can't really change because that's the whole point of it keeping it portable, is the keyboard. And we were discussing somewhat like a virtual keyboard like the iPhone or the iTouch, on like a fold out, obviously, virtual keyboard where you have like a little slider to make the keys larger or smaller. >>Now what do you mean by a virtual keyboard? >>It would be kind of like on the Nintendo DS like a dual screen. >>There was a proprietary model >>I saw a mock up for one of those. It was like a touch screen keyboard. >>Yeah, a touch screen keyboard except with a slider to make the keys larger or smaller. >>Two screens, yeah 2 screens clamshell and that would be yeah, you would type on the lower screen. >>And like if you were an accountant you could switch it from just keyboard to you know number pads straight up in the middle or if you were a gamer, if it had gaming capabilities, you could set up your gaming keys so those are the only ones actually on the board and move your hands to the center or whatever position you wanted. >>It's very exciting >>But then you're moving away from the Netbook because >>Well I'm not even you know >>You could slide around different features. You know what you need? You need those >>You know what they call that? A super computer from the future. >>That's what I was sayin. [ Inaudible group talking ] >>That's in 10 years. That's a 10 year Netbook plan. >>Or an iPod touch the size of a Kindle >>That flies >>I don't know about that but an iPod touch the size of a Kindle that you could just so get busy with it. Like a virtual keyboard >>You know what it really needs to, it needs, I don't know how you do this, the little bumps that come up or whatever but you need a half deck or something more advanced. You need feedback. You need some way to know there's a keyboard cause I can't type on a large keyboard that I can't feel. >>Definitely have the feedback or maybe slight etching. >>Yeah >>Well the raised part is what makes since for you know like Braille type thing for the blind people. >>That'd be good >>You know for the blind people >>For the blind, shut up [laughter] >>No for any of us. >>I'm saying that would be you know an incentive for those that can't see. >>It would be an incentive for those lazy blind people to get up and do something instead of just sit around all day. >>Why do you have to make it sound worse then, my God? >>Can't it just talk instead cause everything you do just whispers in your ear. [ Inaudible group talking] >>[laughter] You are operating in Netbook. >>For the dyslexic >>Blind people always asking for special laptops. >>Why are you harping on that? God, move on. >>There will be blind people in the future. [laughter] I want to absolutely confirm that. >>The hand that rocks the cradle. [laughter] >>Star Trek the next generation >>I had one of those hair bands. >>Thought control people. That's really what we need. You just think it and it types it. >>Be like some of that, what was it like in demolition man? She's like do you want to make love and they put the thing on their head and he's like what is this? >>Talking to obscure movie references. [laughter] >>It was my job to take the heat off Julie. >>Remember Judge Drake? I don't remember Judge Drake. >>I remember not liking it. >>I remember it only because I recently saw Rob Schneider somewhere and he was talking about how horrible experience that was making that. >>All his movies, come on. >>First of all, if you're listening Sly, no more movies in HD please. You're movies are great in the past. [laughter] You're still in good shape but I'm not trying to see a close up of that mug, alright. >>It's like Mickey Rourke, you know say the same thing for Mickey Rourke. >>That's why I can't watch the wrestler. [laughter] I don't care how good they say it was. >>So you'd buy the 320 by 240 resolution >>I take the camcorder recording. >>Watch it on the iPod. >>1 by 5 shot on the webcam. >>Ooh thank you Lord. At least like with Teddy's advance it's like CG his face or something. >>Oh wow >>CG so they text you back into it? >>Yeah man you know like fix his lips or something man. >>It was good in Rocky Balboa though. >>Well that's because we were at 768. We hadn't hit 1080 then. [laughter] Everybody didn't have 1080. It was 476 >>That was Rocky 10 to the 10th power. >>Come Rambo forget about it. [laughter] I'm sorry. Hey look, he's come a long way from doing adult films to >>Oh yeah I do remember seeing the earlier, oh my God, that was so bad. >>Every once in a while [inaudible] had a screen shot of that ready to go. [laughter] >>I was actually blanking out thinking about these adult films. Scot was like Sly, hmm, Sly naked. I'll have to look this up when I get home. >>My God. >>Note to self. >>I mean do I really want to Google this up? [laughter] >>No, no, you have audio >>Moderate say Sir John, Moderate say Sir John. >>Alright let's >>Ok moving on. I've got some good news for you John because I know you're a fan of the video game. I've got some good news, I've got some bad news. >>Let's go with the bad first. >>Let's start with the good news because we want to you know bring people up >>It's like my old one on one, how was your week? It was great. How's everything? Great and then can I go now? Well actually I have one thing to discuss with you. Can you close the door, oh no. [laughter] >>The bad news and the good news is good for real life because then you end up feeling uplifted but the opposite is better for broadcasting which is what we're doing because you really want to kind of you know stick it to people. >>News is negative first. Don't you watch the news? It's all negative. Woman falls from window, cops fire 15 shots and at the end you know boy lifts dog out of drain. That's it, the end. Thank you for watching, squeeze the weather in there somewhere. [laughter] >>On the web it's bad followed by good, the unicorn chaser. >>It's always bad followed by good. >>Sometimes I read something you can't even repeat it. It horrified me. But then they go for a chaser. They were like, unicorn chaser. >>Yeah it's always the bad news first. >>You've got about 5 minutes to come up with something good. >>You can't have unicorn followed by cannibals. >>He's gonna do the Debbie downer thing and we're gonna need a sound effect after the end of the show. [noise] >>I don't want to leave on a sad note. Do the sad first. >>The good news is that according to the MPD group, 53 percent of U.S. consumers have been to the movies in the last 6 months but 63 percent, that's 2 out of 3, have played a video game. What does that mean? It means more people are playing games then going to the movie. >>Oh yeah >>So that's just something for your favorite hobby. >>That's true for us. >>Well you know what, especially when movies are getting close to the price of a used game. [laughter] Like what? Twelve bucks for a movie and you guy a used game for like 20, 30 bucks. >>Movies are more expensive then a lot of games, especially the downloaded games. >>I'm sorry. >>When you buy the tickets now they've got that $1.50 service charge per ticket just to go to the theatre and pick them up. >>I'm sorry I correct that. It's usually more than the game because I usually pay for the ticket and the popcorn, the hotdog, the soda >>You get all the extras? >>Raise your hand if you've ever eaten a movie theatre hot dog? >>Hell yeah >>Now we'll know who will see, I was going to say 40, who will see 50 and who won't. >>[laughter] You're a long way from it but I think you're right there. >>What other weird movie theatre food have you eaten Joseph? >>The gummy bears. >>Gummy bears are ok. They're prepackaged. >>Do you eat the Mike and Ike's? >>[laughter] I do the Mike and Ike's, always do the Mike and Ike's. >>Do they have those anymore? >>He bought a box a couple of days ago and was eating it. >>I've still got some left. At Kipp's [assumed spelling] Bay you know they do the boneless Buffalo. >>I love Kipp's Bay. >>I've done the boneless buffalo. >>Kipp's Bay is like a suburban. I used to live around there. It's awesome. >>I'll do the boneless buffalo. >>It's like wings. [laughter] >>I've had the nachos, movie theatre nachos. >>Liquid cheese at a movie theatre. >>You know what the funny thing is? Anybody listening, anybody in here, they never give you enough cheese. >>No they don't. >>It's just enough but I get scared. I don't want to eat more than that. >>I used to work at a theatre and I used to get that but like can you get more cheese on them. So I'm just like whatever, here. >>It's fine for me because I guess I'm so scared about the liquid cheese in the first place in movie theatres I say I'm done. >>Listen you don't know how long the chips have been there. You may as well dip them in that hot cheese. >>Stale cheese >>But the cheese is hot. >>It's a neutralizing agent. Hot cheese kills the H1N1 virus. [laughter] >>And also the T virus, yes. [laughter] >>But not the variant G virus. I always dip my hands in hot cheese when I get home. [laughter] >>You gonna bathe in it? >>I have my little cheese bath before I pick up my kid. >>He paints his war face with the cheese. >>So the reason we know all this T virus, G virus is because video games accounted for one third of the average monthly consumer spending in the U.S. for core entertainment content which is what they call music, video games, movies and stuff like that. But the bad news is that Game Stop, the big video game store everyone buys all these games from, they're saying store sales dropped more than expected last quarter. Even with the recession they thought they were going to have a drop off in sales, it was even worse so people are not spending as much money on these games and that's bringing down the whole industry. >>I am not surprised. >>Why are you not surprised? >>Because everybody's downloading games now, real legit ones and not legit. I think this will eventually be the death of Game Stop. You can't sell used games. Game Stop is all about the used games. >>Yeah >>And I think now the average person is probably downloading, I don't know the actual stats, but I'm certainly downloading more cheap DLC >>You're downloading iPhone games >>Yeah $5, $10 bucks, cheap entertainment and I'm not gonna go out and spend the big bucks on titles. >>Well and not only that they're just, the games people really want they keep pushing back >>The new movies >>Mirrors Edge is nowhere to be found right now, not Mirrors Edge, Heavy Rain, you know God of War may be next year, hopefully this year. I mean Unchartered, you know when exactly was that coming out? People are just waiting and then I mean they throw like a $65 price tag after tax obviously. If games are like and referring to the Playstation and Xbox, standard $49 I think you'd see more sales because then also the used prices would drop. >>They're not going to go down to the $49 price. >>Well nothing worse than >>Recession special >>In order to, during this time of crisis should EA get up and announce that during the course of economic procession we're lowering our new game prices from $59 back to $49. When the crisis is passed we'll return to our original prices. Thank you very much and then like you know music plays in the background. >>Hey that works for me. >>Do it dramatic. >>Do you know where I stole that from and this just popped into my head, Mister Mom with Michael Keaton. That was the main plot line for the tuna fish company and she came up with the advertising plan to drop their prices because of some early 80's recession and that's what they did. >>As long as EA does not call the promotion time crisis. [laughter] >>It's not even their game, is it? >>No it's not. >>It's Namco, Time Crisis. >>I think the video game prices, the price is really what kills it. That's probably what made the Wii so popular when it first came out in the console it was $250 and you were talking about this as well, it's time for the Wii price to come down because purchasing an Xbox for $199 now you could actually have a real, sorry Nintendo fans, a real game console. [laughter] No, the Wii appeals to the masses but hardcore is the Xbox and the PS3. >>But what do you think Game Stop blames the slow down in sales on, anybody? Julie, what do you think? >>Amazon >>Ok Joseph >>The economy [laughter] >>Doug >>Yeah just the recession. They're probably saying we'll bounce back. Nobody has any money. >>They say its drooping hardware sales that are behind the lack of game sales. So if people were not being driven to buy the new hardware because they already have it. The one console they don't have they want to get is still too expensive, Playstation 3, then it's not driving the game sales as much and that's their excuse for it. >>That sounds like an excuse. >>That's not a valid excuse. I mean they're partially responsible because you go in and trade a game in and they'll give you tops, $30. I mean for a game that just came out that you probably turned around in 2 days and finished. They'll give you $30 for it. It will go back up on the shelf for $54. That's what kills. If you bought it for $30 you know and I understand they give you that 10 percent if you have the Game Stop card or whatever. Find that little fine sweet spot, make it $40, $35, $40 and you'll get more resale. They're trying to make a killing off of used games. >>A killing. >>They keep having promotional bumps. They keep having like trade in this many and you get this, kick up the next level but they're very cryptic to figure out. >>It's like, no but I'm saying a $5 discount for a game they paid $30 for I mean that's a killer. >>That's why you go on like cap.com or amazon.com. >>See that's the thing, you wouldn't go to these places if you can get that deal there. >>Also at Game Stop because of the fact that there are so few big games coming out over a period of time, they hard sell you one of those preorders like crazy. >>Oh yeah >>They're like, do you want God of War 3? It's coming in 2010. Better order now or you won't get one. >>It's what you see on the front page of their site. It's just preorders. >>Every time you come in it's like super sizing. You want to preorder a couple of games today. >>Well that's cool that they get the gaming companies behind them. Like I remember with >>But you get your free subscription to Game Informer. >>That's cool but I'm saying like in terms of like ok in Game Stop you can actually play the Batman Arkham Asylum demo >>Really? >>But the thing is had they gotten those released and maybe gave that to you as a preorder, preorders would have shot up. Everybody would have been happy. >>Get a demo disk, that's a great idea. Give people something to take home with them, yeah. >>Work out game demo with release and then you know you'll get people going out early to purchase. I remember I think, I forgot what game exactly but I did a preorder for a game that they gave the demo for and I liked, a matter of fact it was Kill Zone, and I was like if I don't like it I'll just transfer my deposit to another game. >>But you liked it right? >>Yeah I liked it. >>Cause it was a good game. >>So I mean if they did something more like that then I think that would save them and get a lot more preorders. >>That's a good idea. I'll tell you, Scott and I just went to see Conduit yesterday, the upcoming Wii shooter and you know selling a first person shooter on the Wii is tough but we actually kind of , I'm sorry not Scott and I >>Yeah I'd say Jeff >>Jeff Bakalar >>I was like I would have loved to >>Don't be a schmuck >>No, I was supposed to be there >>Anyway we kind of liked it but it's a tough sell to sell a first person shooter of the week because there've been so many really bad ones but if it's a demo or something where people go oh that actually is kind of cool, maybe they'd be more likely to buy it. >>I mean also another thing >>And get the guy from Battlestar Galactica who does one of the voices. >>Now I know I missed an opportunity. My evening fantasies are ruined. >>The guy who played the defense attorney who helped defend Balazar. [ Inaudible group talking ] >>I did not see, no I'm sorry. Oh my God, OMG people, right? >>Wait, wait, Joseph gets the last word. >>Well no I'm saying another good way >>Can I have rebuttal? >>I know. [laughter] >>You guys can have a rebuttal. Come on >>Another good way or another good habit to pick up is follow Nintendo suit. Nintendo knows they have some weak titles and they have their stronger titles, not many strong titles but their prices range according to their game quality. And if on the rack >>More variable pricing is what you're saying. >>Exactly, between titles that are high quality and low quality. Just like with DLC you don't pay the same price for every piece of DLC you get. >>Follow Apple too, look at, not the pricing but the free games. >>Wait, wait, Apple and games no >>No, look at the people who launch a free version of the game and that rockets them up to the top of the list and suddenly they're selling 700,000 and you don't have to sell them for $2 but have more light versions of games, demo, like advanced demo versions of games. That would be interesting. >>And they'll sell games. >>For sure, that's what I think. >>A lot of game companies disagree but we know it's true. >>Alright well Joseph >>Free works, people, free works >>Free economy >>You have to give incentives. >>Joseph you want to tell us where to find all kinds of exciting stuff about our fine program that we're wrapping up right now? >>You can find Digital City at digitalcity.cnet.com or you can email us at digitalcity@cnet.com or you can become a fan of our Facebook page digital city podcast. >>Those are all excellent ideas and of course now even better you can go to CNETTV and look around and hopefully you'll find the show. >>But I can't guarantee it will be up there Monday. [background talking] Alright we can guarantee the audio will be up but the video we're not sure, we're still working it out. >>It takes about a year or two to code each one. [laughter] We're still learning the process. >>You guys looked so young in that video. >>It feels like only yesterday. Time has passed. Everyone has new haircuts now. >>You gotta love PhotoShop. Adobe baby, adobe. ^M00:30:12 [ Music ] ^M00:30:19 >>And for those who'd like a copy of the concert Bakalar video taped it. [laughter]. >>[background music] We need to groove out I will say. During the intermission, there's an intermission for the 3 hour show, obviously I'm one of the younger people there so all these old people are lining up to use the one bathroom there at Radio City and waiting in the gigantic bathroom line, who do I see? Elvis Costello >>Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute >>He goes to the bathroom. >>IF they're older then you, Bakalar they should have been wearing depends. >>I know really, believe me this was an aging crowd. >>No they just had the catheters on. ^M00:31:02 [ Music ]