CNET Live: March 26, 2009: Tech Culture
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News from the Game Developers Conference including a new service for on-demand gaming.
[ Music ] ^M00:00:08 >> Coming up on CNET Live, an extremely feature-rich high performance product for Enterprise customers. Really, it's just virtualizing LINUX on your OS X. >> Wow. That sounds like an awful lot of fun. And I'll show you a crave that I really wish I didn't crave. >> And your calls and e-mails. CNET Live starts right now. ^M00:00:26 [ Music ] ^M00:00:34 >> Hey folks, good to have you here on CNET Live. Brian Cooley, Tom Merit, Brian Tom -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Yep, 888-900-CNET 8888 -- >> Only three 8s. >> Boy, you messed up that one. >> That's right. Only three 8s. 900-888-2638. >> Before we get to your calls though, it's time for a couple of things we crave. [ Music ] >> These are some of our favorite things from the crave blog at crave.cnet.com. Starting off with 3D based [Inaudible] actually both of us craving this one. >> Yeah, you got to it first, so the hell with you. You get it. ^M00:01:03 >> I was fast with the Google docs. Captures -- they're the touring test that tells if you're computer or a person when you're signing up for a new service. And usually they're those warped letters that you can't even read. >> Right. >> And so you have to put them in about three or four times before you get them right. This is ingenious. It's 3 dimensional objects that you have to match up with the objects that are presented, which makes it really hard for the computer, because it's trying to do pattern matching, and I think these things spinning around, if I am not incorrect, maybe -- >> Hence the 3D. >> But it's easy for people to do this. >> Yeah. Sure, because I could easily figure out how to match what's at the bottom and just do it and go. None of that vagueness of that mangled text that's such a pain. >> Yeah. So you select a matching object from the one -- I mean, the one -- the thing that's weird about what they're showing here is that none of the stuff on the right actually matches any of the stuff on the left. >> Not entirely. >> Click on the boxes above and select in the same order. Oh, okay -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> If you look, the fork has already been selected. [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> In a different position, but you can tell it's a fork. A computer is not going to be able to tell that. >> It's a different object to a computer. >> Because you can move it around in your head and go, oh, that's a toilet. I recognize that any time in the morning. >> And you grab an airplane, and woot, move it over there and you're all set. >> And so yeah, you're looking for the airplane over here, right here. >> A lot easier to do. >> Doesn't match up, though, if you do bit map to bit map percentage. >> Different object. >> I think it's ingenious. >> It is. And very easy to grasp. >> And the problem with this accessibility, still have to have a way for blind people to get through the [Inaudible] and that's always difficult. You've got to fall back on audio recordings and [Inaudible] -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Doesn't solve that, but it does make it better for people with vision. >> Ever had a crave you wish you didn't crave? >> Is that what you're doing now? >> Yeah, going to do this dumb thing, but I like it for some reason. The peak pronto, the peek's been around for a while. It's an e-mail-only one purpose portable device -- not a phone. But they added unlimited text messaging for $17 a month, $79 for the device, one time fee. It connects up to four accounts, including exchange mail. >> This is just e-mail? >> That's all it does. >> You mean, it's this. Remember this? [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Remember pocket mail, check out pocket mail here. If you look here at this picture you can see that pocket mail has the acoustic coupler on the back that you hold up to the phone. Remember this? The flip out piece on the cell? >> Yeah. So you set -- who has a phone that has that -- that big -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> That big handset before -- >> That was the idea, you just hold it up there and it would get your e-mail anywhere in the world. >> So I kind of hate it, you know, because it's really kind of dopey, but I kind of like this pocket peaker pronto presto, peak pronto -- >> Peak pronto. [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> The purity of a device I like. So if you're looking for an e-mail tablet only, an e-mail portable only, they still make them. And this one looks a lot better than that damn acoustic coupling one. >> All right, let's get to your phones while we're here. 888-492638. On the line first up is Max. Hey Max, where are you calling from? >> Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. >> How are things in Philadelphia? >> Good, a little rainy. >> Yeah. What can we help you with today? >> I'm looking for a free web site creator, download or on the Internet. Because I'm looking to start off a new web site and I need it to look good. >> So you want something that's going to allow you on line to create your pages and all that sort of thing? >> Yeah. >> Okay, Brian Tom, you've been talking to Josh [Inaudible] -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> And talking to our buddies at web wear dot cock. And there's two sites that you want to check out. One is Wix.com. That's spelled W-I-X -- dot-com. And it really allows you to online specifically create, like, a web page, but you can add widgets, different templates -- like they'll give you specifications for banner graphics, you know, the size of picture you need to put at the top of the banner. You can format it, these are the blog page or regular web page. And then the other site we recommend you check out is Yola.com. It's spelled Y-O-L-A. It used to be Synthacite.com, and I was even just playing around with some of the tools there where I found at least just on first impression, Yola had a -- additional kinds of widgets that you can literally just drag and drop and start building your site from scratch. So I think those are two free site builders that are on line, and also they do offer free web hosting. If you want more space and more bandwidth for people coming in and out of your site. You can pay to upgrade that. But right off the bat they're both free to use as well. >> All right, thanks Max. Appreciate the question. Let's move on to Valenten in Florida. >> Hello. >> Hey Valenten, what's going on. >> Welcome to CNET Live. >> Yeah. I'm final. I got a question. I buy a mirage X 5.1 and I want to know if the receiver, the [Inaudible] are XV 663, that's good for that system. Or you got the other reference? >> Well, you're talking about a -- a micro [Inaudible] surround sound system, in case people don't know the mirage N X 5.1 system. It's one that we like because it's incredibly small in terms of the satellite speakers, and I believe has an 800-Watt powered sub. That's pretty hearty. There shouldn't be any issues here connecting any system like that, any sat sub system with any of the full size, well-powered AV receivers like this Yamaha 663 you're looking at. Again, the sub is powered on that surround sound system you have. So your receiver doesn't need to have a whole lot of oomph on its sub woofer channel, because you're not relying on it to power the sub, which is sometimes one of the issues. But in this case, it should work FBI. I mean, it's like any other sub set system. You just want to get a receiver you like that has sufficient power. I haven't got the specs on that Yamaha in front of me, but it's -- it's a good unit. None of the Yamahas are wimpy. So it should work out really well. >> Okay. >> All right, good luck with that. Hope you enjoy it. Let's go to Rick in New York, shall we? >> All right. I think it's Nick. >> Nick? Is it Nick or Rick? >> But I know him well. I call him Rick. [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> It's Nick. Hey Nick. >> Hey, first of all I want to say I love the show. >> Good of you. [ Inaudible audience comment ] >> We're great. >> Good. >> Doing good. >> Anyway, I am on my last 38 days of my [Inaudible] anyway, so I'm getting a new hard drive and I'm on the white MacBook. So I used everything except how to replace a hard drive. Brian Tom's entire secret, I don't know how to replace the hard drive on a new MacBook Pro. But -- so I read the manual on how to actually replace it. But I was wondering -- I am running virtual [Inaudible] right now. When I copy over with Carbon Copy Quoter, two things. One, the hard -- the actual Windows still be there or will I have to reinstall this. Two, [Inaudible] another machine. >> What was number two again? >> Will Windows know it's on another machine. >> Okay, well here's the beauty of virtual machines is that you don't have to -- the Windows doesn't have to know it's on a machine. Windows thinks it's on this virtual machine that has been created by the virtual box program. So you're totally cool. When you move that over, Windows isn't going to know it went anywhere. It's going to think, hey, I'm in this virtual world that I live in, a virtual box, which I'll be showing later on in the show, by the way. So all you have to do is make sure that the image of the virtual machine was copied over. And carbon copy cloner is great for doing that, because it just takes every bit on your hard drive and copies it right over to the new hard drive. So if that has gone success fully everything should work, you should be able to launch virtual box and Windows will be like, you know what, I'm in the virtual box, I am fine, everything is cool. Virtual box will be fine with the new hard drive as well. And you haven't changed everything else on the computer, so you should be good. >> All right. Thanks Nick for calling. Coming up, CNET's gaming and laptop guru Dan Ackerman will join us. But first Canon just announced a new addition to its rebel line of digital SLRs, this one has HD video recording. Here's Lori Gurnin. ^M00:09:02 [ Music ] ^M00:09:05 >> Hi, I'm Lori Gurnin, senior editor with cnet.com, and this is the Canon [Inaudible] T 1 I. The T 1 I is slipping into Canon's product line above the XXI and below the 50 D. They're dropping the X T I off the bottom -- good-bye. The T 1 I uses the same sized sensor as the 50 D, but not exactly the same. Instead of a four channel read out it has a two channel read out which should only effect performance and not image quality, and it's slightly higher resolution at 15.1 mega pixels versus the 50 D's 14.7. It's the same body as the XXI. It's got the 3 inch LCD. A couple of things that are new in addition to the resolution are Canon has added a creative audio mode which debuts with the 5 D and then was in the 50 D. But in this camera it makes a lot more sense, and it provides a simplified approach to changing your settings. And frankly, it probably would be a good way for somebody stepping up from a point and shoot camera into the world of digital SLRs. The other big thing about this camera is that it supports video. You can shoot 720 D video at 30 frames per second, or 1080 P, 1920 by 1080 video at 20 frames per second. That makes it at this point the least expensive digital SLR that supports video recording. I only got a few minutes to shoot with this, but it feels nice and responsive like the XXI, and of course has one of the same issues with it that I don't like, which are those teeny, tiny little focus points the view finder. I find it very hard to tell if it's focused are if it's just flashing at me. I to look forward to testing it when it's expected to ship later this spring. I'm Lori Gurnin and this is the Canon EOS Rebel T 1 I. >> CNET editor -- senior editor I should say, Dan Ackerman has flown out from New York, and boy are his arms tired. [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Pleasure to be here with you boys in sunny San Francisco. >> Here covering the Game Developers Conference? >> We're out here with G D C 2009. That's the Game Developers Conference. It's not as flashy as E 3, the big video game show, get a chance to kind of get more of the up close and personal with the guys who make the games rather than, like, marketing and PR guys. >> Now all the coverage I read is that this has been a pretty boring GDC. >> Well, it's kind of a down year for the video game industry overall. There aren't a lot of new consoles coming out, the new DSI is coming out in a couple of months, that's about it. >> And that's just like a marginal improvement -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> That's still the most popular console out there. They sold about 100 million of these things. And big game franchise, God of War, we're seeing a little bit of that. But a lot of people are concentrating on downloadable games, Indie games, casual games. Stuff that's not quite as high profile, but can sell in kind of these recession addled times. >> Any buzz on this new on live product that rolled out recently? [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> At the very top of the show you heard about that, right? >> That's where you can kind of play a game on an old wimpy computer because it's doing all the hard core processing somewhere else, and kind of sending you the feed from the game. You know, there have been a bunch of demos that kind of sort of work. But you really have to see it in the real world, and I'm a little dubious until we're actually all sitting in our homes or our offices playing these games, a good substitute, it's live right now, quake live, which is a browser-based version of the quake three, the classic shooter we all wasted our time with ten years ago. >> Well it's a latency issue with this thing, right? Because -- >> Right, you can't send the signal somewhere, have it processed, send it back over the Internet. When you're just playing a regular online game with other people you have latency even if you're doing all the processing here. And if you go into Xbox Live, you're talking to the guy next to you, he doesn't here you for ten seconds. >> Yeah. And that stuff is hard to control because even though there's plenty of bandwidth on the back bone, if there's everybody using on live on the node where, you know, the neighborhood where you're living -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Yeah, if somebody's watching Netflix in the next room on your home router -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> More video on to home networks [Inaudible] low latency for gaming. >> You're on a cable network, you're sharing the connection with your neighbor. >> Yeah. That's right. >> But we're kind of the in the bottom of the bell curve for consoles. Right? >> Too far away from the original launch, this still have a lot of excitement about the original consoles -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> That is true. And of course the PlayStation 3 is the one console of the Big Three that's currently struggling. They're trying to put out a lot of big exclusive titles this year, like God of War 3, to catch up with the Wii that's obviously selling the best, and the Xbox 360, that's down to 199 now. So that's obviously appealing to a lot of people looking to not spend as much money on gaming as they used to. >> Something like God of War 3 going to save them , I mean -- >> They say that's going to be a simple seller. That's their greatest hope for, quote, a system seller, which is when you go out and buy the console just to play the game. Some people did that with Gears of War, some people did that with Metal Gear Solid. They're hoping God of War, which we haven't seen for a couple of years, is going to be the savior of the PlayStation 3. >> Well, I -- I -- I feel like this is just a sign of the times. It's the economics that are keeping it down. But E3 is getting bigger this year again. Is that also having an effect. >> Well, we're going to see what actually happens at E3. They had a very small show the last two years because the game companies decided they were spending way too much money, and not getting, you know, any real value out of being there for all the press and stuff. They would get the same amount of coverage even if they didn't show up and have this multimillion dollar display. This year they're bringing it back, but in the meantime since they made those plans, the whole economy bottomed out. And all these guys had to pay for their booths last year, kind of like CES. So they were already invested. I don't know if there's really going to be the interest there, or they're going to want to put the money into following it up. >> Bunch of empty booths. >> Might be empty booths, might not be as many booth babes -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> They're going to get the old guys from around the office to put on the bikinis and walk around. >> But you know what, they'll never run out of game fans who want to try to get in. So the place will be flooded. >> Now the other thing you do is you review laptops, right? And you just did a great thing, which was taking all of the laptops that you see in the circulars, because they like to confuse everybody with these model numbers -- and you did a review that will actually help people when they're in the stores, right? >> Most people when they think of laptops, they go to Dell or HP, the web site, you configure it, you buy it on line. But what happens is you get the Sunday paper, you open it up, there's a Best Buy flyer, whatever, you see a laptop on sale, you type that model in. It's a slightly different model number, and a slightly different model than what you get direct. So we went to the retail stores, we got like 22 retail laptops from $600 all the way up to $1200. And we reviewed them. So when you're looking in the store for -- at a specific laptop you can now find the review here and we picked out our favorite in three categories, entry level, budget, and mainstream. >> That's a great piece. >> They do that -- they do that model number thing to stop the price matching, don't they? That's what I heard. >> They do that sometimes. But also if you're a big retailer like Wal-Mart or Best Buy, then the big companies like Toshiba and Dell and HP, they'll make a specific model for you and what you need for your customers. >> That why when you go to the other store, you're like, oh, but this -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> This laptop is, you know -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Match the price and this one is $100 less. Oh, but that one has a Y -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> This is the 123 C. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So they can find this at cnet.com or go in the lab top section -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> All right. That's a great piece. >> Excellent. >> Anything else from the Game Developers Conference that you're expecting to see coming up? >> Well, I think we're seeing a real thrust toward downloadable games, toward things going down through Xbox Live and the PlayStation network, because what they do, then, is they get rid of the concept of putting a disc in a box, putting it on a truck, driving it to the store, getting rid of those expensive middle men. They can save a little money, they can sell you the game for a little less, and they can extend the shelf life of games you already bought for the sequel for Fallout 3 is not going to be ready for a couple of years. So for 20 bucks you download a new mission pack, and everybody wins. >> We're hearing a lot about Wii and Xbox and PlayStation, but how about the iPhone and iPod Touch. Is that more of an Apple world wide developers conference crowd. Or are those guys over here who are doing games for those. >> Actually that's become so huge in the last I would say even six months. The iPhone is really second only to like the DS now in terms of what developers are excited about in terms of mobile game development. >> And those guys are here at GDC, and they'll be at the Apple conference, of course. [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Apple conference, and they're selling so many of these iPhone game apps, it's become a huge business. >> Hmm. Interesting. >> And micro payments is coming up, because of Apple announcing that on iPhone 3.0 you'll be able to buy -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> You know, not really micro payments, but it's an ability to buy stuff from within the game. >> But the game industry for years has been trying to get you to kick in 50 cents here, a dollar here, five dollars here for new uniforms, new cars, new [Inaudible] and finally Apple is the one who are actually helping them do that. Because we've gotten used to that -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Now that they're doing so much stuff on Xbox Live, the PlayStation network, and the Wii network, will you can buy the Wii wear games, we're finally acclimating people to do these micro payments for games. >> That's what it is. Acclimating them to it. Excellent. >> All right, Dan Ackerman -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Thank you, buddy. >> Time to take a quick break, but we'll be back with the download of the week. Show you how to virtualize LINUX in OS X. Stick with us. [ Music ] >> Watch every game from the NCAA championship live on line for free with NCAA March Madness to Demand. >> Yes! Score! >> But please use with caution. ^M00:17:50 [ Music ] ^M00:18:02 >> When the biggest stars -- need the biggest laughs -- they come to Dave. The Late Show with David letterman. ^M00:18:13 >> Why are we laughing? >> I'm not sure. >> Weeknights on CBS. ^M00:18:16 [ Music ] ^M00:18:20 [ Laughter ] ^M00:18:24 >> Why are we even laughing? >> I have no idea. >> Must be Letterman. >> Okay -- welcome back to CNET Live. Keep those phone calls coming. The lines are open at triple 8, 900, CNET. >> But first it is time for the download of the week. Download of the week is brought to you by our good friend CNET's download.com. They purveyor because they are purveyors of -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> -- those bars in Amsterdam -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Virtual box. You've heard me mention it, you heard me call is openly box by accident, because it open source. I keep messing that up. But here it is, running on OS X. And it's running a [Inaudible] you see, it looks great. >> There we go. There it is. >> It had to refresh the screen. But it's like VMware or parallels or any of those virtualization machines where it pretends to be a computer and then you can put any operating system you want on that computer within your computer. So I actually have on this machine -- let's see if I can -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> -- on top of what native OS, a Mac, right? >> I've got Windows XP running here in VMware, and then I got OS X running natively, because it's a Mac. And then I've got [Inaudible] running in virtual box. This is free. VMware costs you 80, 90 bucks. Virtual box, absolutely free and works great. >> [Inaudible] virtual box is available for both the Windows and the Mac OS? >> I believe it is just for the Mac. >> Just for the Mac, okay, so this is for the Mac environment to run either -- >> You can run Windows in here -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Yeah. >> That's pretty hot. And free, love that. >> And it works really well. >> Looks like it -- >> Doesn't have all the features of VMware or parallels -- >> You've had it running here for some [Inaudible] during rehearsal and everything, no hangs, no crashes. That's the real -- >> Just the little refresh problem where it needed the screen to pop back up. >> That's the real test. Yeah. Let's get to your calls now, triple 8, 900, CNET. Triple 8, 900, 2638. Let's see, we're going to jump on a call here I think is one of the possible heartbreakers out there in the world of technology, which is when you get your camera dunked. Let's help out Tyler calling in from Florida. Hello Tyler, what's your issue? >> Okay, my issue, [Inaudible] this past weekend and on one of the water rides I took a video of it and the camera got dunked in water. >> All right, so here's the thing. Did you try to turn it on after it got wet. >> Yeah. I mean, I let it dry for a few days. >> Okay, you did the right thing. First of all, let the camera dry -- or any portable piece of electronics. Let it dry naturally. Trying to below it off with a hair dryer or use compressed hair, yeah, that might force water deeper into it. You never know. This is not a science. But letting it sit for several days in a warm area, not out in the garage or in your car or something, obviously, where it can evaporate out naturally is the best possible thing. But if you can remember, folks, before you do this, don't try and turn it on when it's wet. That's one of the ways you can fry the little components because the water will be shorting out traces on the motherboard, the circuit inside of whatever you have, whether it's a laptop or a camera. But you're doing about the right thing. Let it slowly dry out. Not try to force it dry with a can of air and see if it works. Because water just takes time to dry out of tiny crevices like you have on a portable. So did you power it up after letting it dry for several days. >> Yeah. I did. >> Does it work? >> I found -- I found when it's plugged in the back light on the LCD works, but when it's not plugged in the back light is off but the LCD is still on. >> Oh. Well that's odd. Yeah. You've got some water in there still, or you smoked something when you powered it up when it was still wet. Beyond that I couldn't tell you. But it's always a rough -- it's a rough thing. I mean, let it dry a few more days and then try it again. But after that bona cera, time to hit eBay and pick up another one just like it, which you probably can do pretty cheap. All right, thanks for the call. Good luck. >> I want to say I misspoke about virtual box when I said it was only for [Inaudible] it is -- it is actually available for Windows, LINUX, open Solarus -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Okay, so it goes [Inaudible] you want. >> [Inaudible] virtual box and virtual whatever you want. [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> What I think -- I was thinking of is the fact that you can't virtualize OS X in it on Windows because OS X has the EFI thing, unless you crack it, which you can. >> Which we don't recommend. Okay, Microsoft recently released the latest version of Internet Explorer 8, web slices. This tab recovery, private browsing, those are just a few of its new features. Take a look. ^M00:22:41 [ Music ] ^M00:22:43 >> Love Internet Explorer or hate it, it's impossible to deny that Microsoft has banged out a browser they think will satiate the Microsoft faithful and draw back users who left IE 7 for faster pastures. Hi, I'm Seth Rosenblatt for CNET download.com. And in this first look video I'll be showing you some of the new features in Internet Explorer 8. Nobody disagreed that IE 7 was much safer than IE 6. But many argued that it didn't go far enough. In IE 8 there's stronger protections against phishing and malware attacks, and there's domain highlighting. It's simple, but clearly shows you what web site you're visiting. Arguably the biggest news in '98 is that it better supports web development standards. A long standing criticism of Internet Explorer, this should go a long way toward making the web render the same on any browser. It's not a particularly sexy improvement, but it's a necessary one. There's a compatibility mode for older web pages that were optimized for previous versions of Internet Explorer. IE 8 also features tab recovery, which allows a tab to crash without crashing Internet Explorer itself. IE 8 also adds a private browsing option in private. You can turn off the cache and history recorders, useful for keeping your private data private when browsing on a public computer, among other things. Web slices is a new feature that let's you save predefined section of a web page for at a glance viewing. Instead of going to a traffic web site for updates the latest computing news come to you. The difference between web slices and accelerators, another new IE 8 feature, is that accelerators make repetitive tasks such as finding directions simple one-click behaviors. Users who've been playing around with Firefox 3 and Google Chrome will notice that IE 8's location bar does allow for searchs directly from it, but it won't jump you to the most likely page you're looking for. You still need to navigate down the list to avoid jumping to a search page. A bigger concern for new IE 8 users is that when you install it, if you choose to include the optional Microsoft malicious software removal tool, it will run the tool. This can add 10 to 15 minutes to your install time, so be warned. Even with these drawbacks, IE 8 is a marked improvement on IE 7 in multiple ways. And if you're an Internet Explorer fan you should definitely upgrade. With a first look at Internet Explorer 8, I'm Seth Rosenblatt for download.com. >> So I have to say most of the people I know who tried IE 8 have undone it and gone back to IE 7. >> That's a big -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> They just find it buggy and they've had bad experiences with it. I haven't. I've upgraded to IE 8. It seems to be working just fine to me. [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> And I've -- when I put a note out on Twitter asking what the best IE 8 tips to do would be for video, everyone said get Firefox. Because you know -- >> Right. Because they're that way. >> That's the way -- that's the people that live there. >> Right. That's -- yeah, that neighborhood, you're going to find those people. >> Shall we take a last call? >> Yeah, why not. Or two. >> Well, let us go to Chicago. Hey David. >> Hello. >> Welcome to CNET Live. What can we help you with. >> I've been looking around for a long time for a really good free web host that has C panel and has, you know, a fantastic light auto installer. And I haven't had much luck. I don't know -- maybe Brian Tom might know, because he knew about the Yola and the Wix. >> You're asking about, like, C panel so you can see kind of like the metrics and some of the behind the scenes stats of your web site. >> Yes. >> Like, I mean, I don't know of any free ones that offer that. I personal use Lunar Pages. And I can't -- I locked into it a long time ago, so I can't remember off the top of my head how much I paid for it. Most of the free web hosting sites, though, once you use free web hosting they're not going give you a -- for the most part, all these kind of metrics or analytic tools. That's kind of the idea where they push you up to upgrade to a more expensive web hosting package. So I don't really have one right now for you. >> Yeah, my general advice when someone wants to get a free web host is to pay for it. It's not that expensive. Maybe 8 bucks a month or something like that. Because you get much more reliable service and you don't have to take advertisements. A lot of the free web hosts stick advertisements into your pages. But I did stumble across a company called Triplezerowebhost.com. That offers free web hosting, including free C panel hosting, P HP, MY SQL, all of the stuff you want. And you pay whatever you feel you can pay. If you can't pay anything -- you don't pay anything. They say they have 99.9% up time. Which, you know, I don't know how much 9s come after that point. It does make a difference -- >> Only four 9s, not five. >> And I've seen a lot of people do YouTube videos about this. I haven't tried them, I can't warrant it. But it looks a little different than some of the free web hosts, especially because they don't put any advertising into it. It's all donation. >> That's a key one right there. And also go to our cheapskate blog by Rick Bloita on CNET's crave, at crave.cnet.com or just go to the cheapskate blog, and you'll find his offer of free domain hosting we talked about two or three weeks ago. I believe the offer is still valid, but this is a Microsoft small business product. I would suspect that anything positioned that way is going to have metrics, control panels, things like that. Because otherwise that won't make sense as a business product. Try that one as well. There's two that I think we feel pretty good about. Otherwise, cheap hosting is a lot better than free hosting, in my experience. >> Most of the time. >> All right, David. >> Okay, thank you very much. >> Good stuff. >> Thanks for calling. Appreciate it. >> Now the true last call. Who do you want to go with, guys. >> Let's go right to California. Stay near by. Mark is on the line. Hey Mark. >> Hey. How are you guys doing. >> Ah, we're doing all right. Just doing a show. What are you up to. >> I was just wondering about my iTunes. I just installed iTunes -- it was installed and the update froze, and when I came back to the computer I had to cancel it. And so now whenever I go to burn a disc I finally reinstalled to the newest iTunes, it tells me that the CD ROM for the driver cannot be found in iTunes. >> Are you in OS X or Windows? >> XP Pro. >> You're XP Pro. >> I would -- have you tried -- I know this is the joke answer. But have you tried upgrading the Firmware on the burner. >> No, I'm not that -- [Inaudible] -- >> Well because if it's telling you it can't find the driver, maybe somehow during the install the driver got corrupted. And if you reinstall it or upgrade it that might help. And then [Inaudible] is thinking, you know, just going through and reinstalling iTunes as well. But -- [ Multiple voices speaking ] >> Yeah, exactly. The preferences are construct or something. That would be the only thing that could help it out. So -- >> Yeah. It sounds like -- it may not be an iTunes problem. It may in fact be a CD burner problem. >> Could have just gotten smoked. That's always possible. Does the CD burner work otherwise as a reader when you pop in a disc, does it recognize the OS automatically and all that stuff? >> Yeah. Yeah. And it was working fine, literally a week ago, up until the iTunes -- >> Still works fine today as a reader. Does your -- you can still pop a disc in and read any old pre-burned disc, right? >> Yes. All right. >> Do you have another burning software besides iTunes? >> Or go download something and try it. >> Normal -- I have a lot. I have [Inaudible] and I have -- >> I'm just wondering if you can burn a CD with another piece of software. Have you tried that. >> Oh yeah. I can do that, yeah. >> Okay, sounds like iTunes then. >> Yeah. I would try -- I would try the driver just upgrading the driver. Because maybe iTunes has some broken link with the driver. But that's a tough one. >> All right. >> Good luck with that. Maybe you'll be calling us next week saying hey stupids, it still isn't working. >> Well, you know, we'll deal with that at another time. So that's it for this week. Next week, the cheap skate, Rick Broida, CNET's cheap guy, will be joining us. So you're going to watch [Inaudible] that one and learn how to save big. >> That will be on Thursday at 4 p.m. eastern. >> 1 o'clock Pacific. >> 10 AM Hawaiian, like we always do. >> There it is. See you next week. ^M00:31:18 [ Music ]