It's cnet Live.
We're live at the cnet stage at CES.
This is the best of CES 2018, day two.
Now you could say we are smack in the middle of this show at this point.
Here we are at the end of the full day that we've had.
And press conferences are behind us, which Scott and I brought you as things kicked off on Monday.
I'm here with Scott Stein, my personal physician.
Thank you for being here as usual.
We're doing well.
We're hanging in there.
All right, thank you.
Keep an eye on me.
Keep your purelling.
I need you here.
We're here for the next 20 minutes or so, we're gonna boil down for you the best products that c/net editors, there's 90 of us here by the way, have seen here at this, the largest consumer electronics show on earth.
Kicking it off, I nominate the power outage.
For crying out loud.
There's power outage [CROSSTALK] First there was rain
Then there was darkness.
And the rain led to the darkness.
Look at, everyone's out there walking around slack-jawed.
Never seen power out before.
It is a
It's actually a cruel irony, you come to a show here that showcases the future of a world that can't exist without power, and you yank that cord.
It is a deep inter-meta discussion of what we're going to do,
But if they're in the end, they're going to say, see, we're getting you to think about power solutions.
We told you you were stupid.
Infrastructure, smart cities.
The power outage hit the north hall, the south hall, I'm sorry, the central hall.
The south hall, where we're based, kept running That is because somebody above shines a happy face on the red ball wherever we are now I love the utterly unattainable is one of my first nominees it is the LG roll-up Oled TV it solves a real pain point and that is- TV's are ugly.
When you're not watching content on them, you sure as hell don't wanna look at black plastic gahg on your wall.
So this guy roles up out of a relatively small cabinet.
Almost looks like a short throw projector.
And it's OLED.
It's impossibly aspirational.
And you can put it just part way up as well.
And have this kind eye brow display, it's like a home information console if you're that much of a nerd.
We don't wanna plot your phone.
I just want my heads up little knee TV.
No exactly, exactly.
All my heads have ribbon display in the living room.
What's the weather?
Right, zik, zik.
Bring it back down.
It's super sleek, it's exceeding drill worthy.
Well, I'm going to discuss something that I just saw today.
Speaking of,I keep following VR, the HDC Vive Pro, You know, where does VR go from here, we kind of hit this,
That's the question I've been asking all week.
yep, you had good experiences, and then what?
Well, interestingly enough, HDC and Vive are going the other direction, not affordabiliy, but higher-end enterprises, it's not a crazy idea.
Higher resolution, wireless, it was the first Intel
Y Gig technology that I've seen is an adapter that allows you to cut the cord and move around freely and that's going to be sold even if you have the original Vibe.
That's a trend you'll see eventually all VR headsets will be wireless.
It fit better on my head they distributed the weight on my weird head and all heads and it basically a better VR thing has a wider range.
Now are you going to buy that?
They're pushing the envelope on stuff that will inevitably be in VR and make it better and more comfortable for people.
Wireless and cordless is incredibly important.
I can't tell you how much of a hurdle that is to people who are alreay wigged out by the idea they've got to put something on their face.
Cut themselves off from the world, stop multitasking, stop having some kind of contact with people that are around them.
There has not been a face-warn technology that took off in the consumer market since 1784 bifocals.
It's been a long time coming.
So you gotta get past this human machine huddles before any use cases is gonna print.
I applaud this very much, I'm glad you did part of it.
I did that surgery simulator, this was actually done with the [INAUDIBLE] stanford.
And he was trying to explore not accuracy but to just get you to feel.
It was cool.
Wanky controls but it majorly realize, now I understand how to put a stench Maybe I know others but it's [LAUGH] I don't know how to put incentives.
I told you, this is my personal physician, Dr. Scott Stein.
Everyone thinks I'm kidding, he's gonna put a stent in my arm later.
This is fantastic.
I know what that simulation tells me it's supposed to be like.
Here's another one that's almost hard to believe.
So as I stay in the medical sphere for a minute.
The olea's systems quad quarter Now this right out of original StarTrek stuff, But it's better than a tri quarter, it's a quad quarter.
That thing's about the size of a business card and about a quarter inch thick.
It'll sense heart rate, restoration, heart anomalies, temperature.
And this is interesting, heart signature.
They say that everyone's EKG is a unique signature like a finger print, they can tell an individual by looking at that chart.
That's new, hadn't heard that before.
That I had not seen.
I hadn't neither.
This thing is fully contactless.
I'll be honest, I gotta see it and grill them a little more.
It's got the stink of a little bit of vapor on it.
But I know this technology's actually being done in the medical sphere and Volvo had something similar.
They had a heartbeat and respiration detector in their cars a few years ago, wasn't popular, they dropped the option.
But it was a way for you to tell if there was someone waiting in your car to attack you.
And it would show up as a heartbeat on the keypad that you approach to your car.
It the same core technology I think, so this is legit but the idea that you do is like a pendant or keep it in your pocket.
And it cause doing this for measurements.
Pretty pretty cool stuff.
You found the sequel to the face Id, hard signature.
That is the future
Is heart signature.
Meet us in three years.
Let's see if that happens.
Right here, right here.
I have a weird fantasy of filling my home's walls with colored lights.
I'm not ashamed to admit it.
Nanoleaf, which [UNKNOWN] covered, makes these crazy multicolored glowing panels.
I love this.
I love this, yeah, everybody's falling in love with this.
And now they're back.
And they're showing these square pixel like
It's like Minecraft meets like crazy fantasy wall and they have these here.
They're touch sensitive.
They are gesture controls.
It works with Siri, Alexa, Google Assistant, and there's some crazy glowing dodecahedron controller and I want that too just to sit in my room surrounded by color glowing lights with my dodecahedron.
Why do we both love this
I don't know.
It's oddly useless, but it's fascinating.
It brings me back to Atari games or something.
Isn't it great?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all 8 bit looking stuff.
It's low res, it's blocky, it's oddly creative.
I will never be allowed to install this in my home.
No, there's no spouse acceptance factor here.
I will never get clearance to do this.
But it's cool, the [CROSSTALK] lights.
Yeah, it is very cool.
I spotted it, too.
And I said, I wonder if Scott's gonna like this as much as I do.
And isn't that weird?
We had a slew of car announcements, the most tangible of which was Samsung's very credible entry into the automotive cabin.
Now they bought a company callef Harman last year.
You may know them for [UNKNOWN] audio which you very likely have in your car.
Real, real big maker of in-car technology.
So now Samsung overnight is a major supplier, argue with the number one supplier of in-car electronic connected technology.
We already know they have a huge foot [UNKNOWN] mobile, and a huge foot print in smart home gear.
So you see, what I've think now, is a company that has the most credible argument To say that we are gonna be the first to connect homes cars and mobiles in a true eco system to use that hackneyed old term that really works.
Smart things appliances Harman the largest maker of in car electronics this is a powerful combination now there is pretty of real work they have to do to make it happen but this was an amazing alliance I think got under touted here at the show this This week.
I've been trying to catch up on car tech at every moment.
Fitness wise, I didn't get to see this either.
But Peloton, a company that makes bikes with training integrated, is making a treadmill, Peloton Tread.
And if you want to look at the future of gyms, your next fancy gym where you're gonna work out, it's meant to offer an immersive experience like the bikes.
And training is going to become something even more important when you're looking at fitness tech.
More than the equipment perhaps.
And you're seeing a lot of companies try to break through into training.
That's been a big success story for them.
Smarter fitness tools like this could be the new luxury thing.
If you can afford $4000.
Yeah these are multi-thousand dollar rigs, right?
This is my brother-in-law's thing.
He's going to put that in his basement next.
In his nice sports bar.
And these are live sessions with people on the cloud who are Peleton members.
And led by a leader who is a trainer, from what I understand.
It's basically like a
It's like I do not do those things.
All I do on this is fall off.
I get to an eliptical, and I just play some John Williams music for a little while.
And that's my inspiring
Very good Inspiring.
Let's go outside now for a quick moment.
To Brian Tong, who is at a company that many people never expect to see here.
Google, for the first time perhaps ever, they have a vast presence at CES, showing off their hardware in particular.
Let's find out exactly what's going on there.
BT's gonna tell us what's up.
What's up at Google, BT?
What's up, everybody?
Back here at CES 2018,.
the greatest technology showcase on planet Earth.
Here we are at Google's booth i've been here for 10 years this is the first time Google has brought an actual booth to the show in the great outdoor of CS.
We are actually outside the halls an you can see we have, its kind of a two level building that you can all come and visit.
They'll feature a lot of different things.
Some of the new technology that Google is working on, also obviously feature the Google Assistant, which is a huge theme here at the show.
So what we want to do is take you inside a few of the rooms, some you'll be able to get to, some will tell you [UNKNOWN] but most of the stuff that you see here, you're going to be able to come and check out for yourself and just experience it.
Let's head out over here to what they call The Gallery And kind of most your way through.
Excuse me, Sir.
No, you're good to go.
All right, so here we go.
This is the gallery.
What it has is Google's technology in all the different devices that they're partner with.
There's over 350 devices here that have some sort of integration with the Google Assistant.
We have obviously The smart displays these is like our personal assistant screens from Lenovo, JBL, LG.
We have those all here big hot theme here.
We all know about speakers integrated with the google assistant as well.
Really everything here at the shore it's all about ai and every one was good google's brains and their devices And as the platform has grown so has their partners.
We have some great sound headsets here.
JBL across the board with their speakers and their headphones.
They got this big booming JBL Link 500.
You gotta love that.
And then even things like appliances.
LG's signature washer dryer combo.
And even some other cool stuff Phones, LG's Tone Platinum headsets, the LGB30, and things like the Cord Zero R9, right?
Your little robotic vacuum.
Now when you come in here, you'll also see a lot of different things, a lot of different appliances.
Things like, over here, this is kind of a fun one, because it's littered with so much stuff.
We have different thermostats, obviously Net Atmo, we have the Nest, Honeywell's, Ecobees.
Up top you'll see a row of all the different smart lightbulbs.
And it's just here to showcase and feature everything that again has a brains.
What else you'll love about this is Google decided to kind of have some fun here.
There's nothing necessarily smart about this, but what this is is really kind of a fun, interactive demo, little diorama.
Really cute and stylized and think of it as like a living city that Google has put on here just to showcase some of the fun stuff, you'll have moving cars, you'll have the bank in the center with that rotating dollar sign, it's really fun and just to kind of add that little charm of how Google is really moving towards A smart type city setup and just a great way to light the display.
This is really cool stuff.
So come inside here, check it out, and be sure to see all the great stuff that they have here.
Look at John Kim, my photog.
It's getting low with that.
Get in those low angles, baby, get that.
All right, so we're gonna come and head out here again.
This gallery is available for you.
Everyone that's here at the show To go and check out yourself.
We're going take this outside and then we're going to head to another area.
There's also above us a Google Assistant experience and what they really want to showcase is sure we have all these devices here but also how do they work?
What are the things you can say to the Google Assistant and how are we going to get people a lot more comfortable with using these AI assistants throughout the day and throughout, really in their normal life.
And we're gonna swim over this way and navigate around here and this is one place that I'm gonna be honest with you it kind of got a have the cool kids start to get up stairs this we're gonna take you up this stairs very carefully and then I take you kind of the top floor they got a really cool view of everything so you go VIP or BTS let's go, all right, thank you guys.
All right so this is check this out.
This is kind of their roof top up stairs exclusive area.
We've got a lot of google Maxis features like playing music.
Then we have yeah you feel that beat.
It's already out some available right now.
399 it sounds amazing.
Now, this is kind of a fun thing that we have here.
[LAUGH] Over on this spot, it's like dark and everything but, they're gonna treat you out.
Look here, we've got Google I do nuts for doughnuts baby.
Right here, I'm gonna save one of this for you.
JK, this one's for you.
I'm gonna just feed you right here.
Eat that, eat that.
Yeah, eat that, eat that.
Here you go.
[LAUGH] All right.
So you have this bar area, just a cool hang out but let's kinda show you the view from this perspective.
There's not many booths that really give you this cool view of the entire show.
So we're out here on the front edge And this is, look, a really cool.
Look over there, that's the south hall right now.
You can see the entire, this is the show floor from kind of a different perspective at CES.
You can just see how massive in scale this entire thing is.
That great big CES balloon, just kind of a signal to let you know you're upstairs enjoying the big show.
And if you look carefully you might even be able to see a little cnet ball out there, you know.
Company that covers technology quite well from what I've heard.
From what I've heard.
All right, let's jut get out here, check this out one more time now.
I don't know, I don't know if we're gonna try this.
I'm gonna ask my photo/ John.
Are you ready?
Do you wanna do this?
Do you wanna do these?
it's getting his real light symbol hold here for a second.
This is gonna be the first ever slide camera slide, this is, this is, this is.
This is boss, this is legitimately boss.
So up stairs here you got a great view, but look, not all of you again can go down the Google slide.
We wanna give you like that feeling of what it feels like.
So we're gonna send John Kim, my amazing photographer to experience this so that you can experience it So John, be careful.
Look at this, Use of slide is at your own risk.
Curl up in a ball.
Curl up in a ball [LAUGH]
Turn the camera round on you, John, show yourself, show yourself, He did it.
All right we are going to come down now.
I can see you, we're coming down, baby, we're coming down.
All right, we did it, that's a quick look.
Awesome booth here, Google's Hey Google, Google Assistant, but that was awesome.
You went down the slide, I went down the slide.
We'll have plenty more coverage CES 2018.
Stick with us.
T, let's talk about this last technology we want to bring to you with Jessica Dolcourt here.
That she's very excited about.
This is one of the Holy Grails of phone engineering.
It finally happened.
Fingerprint sensor without a visible seensor.
Yeah, it seems like such a small thing but in the phone world, it's a really big deal.
So I went and I saw a phone made by a Chinese phone maker, Vivo.
And it's got an in display fingerprint reader.
It's actually Underneath the display, and the display is just underneath the glass.
So there is nothing visible on the outside.
So you have the entire expanse of the six inch screen and you have a finger print area.
It's where the home button would be.
And you kinda press it a little bit.
You really gotta put a little bit of force there And it unlocks.
So far it's pretty fast, it's fairly accurate, but this was a pre-production model.
The beauty of all of this is that there's no physical button taking up the screen.
It's there when you need it, and then it totally disappears.
And then you use gestures, sort of like what you would find on the iPhone X to get around instead of pressing a home button.
Another pet peeve that I have personally, there are fingerprint readers are the backs of phones.
That's another popular place to put it.
If your phone is laying down next to you and you wanna use it.
You have to pick it up and unlock it that way every single time if you don't wanna swipe and do a PIN or pattern or something like that.
So it's very specific Important technology that was rumored to be in the Samsung Galaxy phones and then in the iPhone 10.
And it never happened.
And we're seeing it for the first time not as, you now, just this fanciful thing, but as a real life working model, not a prototype from a Chinese phone maker.
I think that this is something that we're gonna start seeing in premium phones in 2018 and beyond.
It's gonna be a little more expensive To make and use.
So this is not something we're gonna see in every single phone in the next year.
It's gonna be very selective.
And to be clear, the company Avivo has the first prototype here.
Synpatics did the part.
So other brands could have this.
Synaptics is a company that makes the component.
So I actually was able to see the sensor and circuitry that they used.
To put under there.
Right now it's only localized.
So you can't put your finger anywhere on the screen.
You really have to put it in that one area.
But they kind of light it up digitally so you know exactly where to go.
You're just honing right in on it.
Okay, I was gonna ask you that.
Interesting, what do you think, Scott?
Big deal or->> Yeah.
Micro first world problem?
No, I think it's great.
And I still feel like something like Face ID, it needs to be improved a little more.
And for acccessibility, I think you should have a fingerprint sensor any how Maybe you could combine them.
And the other thing, phones are one thing, but things like this.
I feel like you have to have a passcode on this, not just for smart watches, but for any little thing that you want to authenticate.
You could start putting this now-
That's interesting, even the sometimes the smaller real estate, cuz you are pointing out the benefit of getting more real estate.
But you get more screen real estate.
But in addition to that, if you've got something like face ID, which we'll also going to see on phones in 2018.
I wake up in the morning and I look, if my face is smashed in the pillow It's not going to recognize me, you fingerprints.
If it's dark, if your finger is obscured for whatever reason.
You always have that biometric back up, I wuold love to see the two of them together.
Okay, alright, I'm convinced I got to say I came into this thinking it was.
Okay, gilding the lily but, you've pointed some usecases here, both of you where, like it solves like a path to some really cool new devices.
It's really sophisticated technology, it's very simple, and it's one of those things that maybe doesn't sound like a big deal, but, I think we'll see established usecases that actually show that this is sort of the wave of the future.
Yeah, I'm starting to see it.
One that I was excited to see more of I think and that was more phones along the lines Of the Axon M folding phone.
We didn't get a folding revolution.
We did not get any foldable phones here at the show.
This is something that we've been talking about.
We know there are various phone makers that have patents on this, that are planning it.
Samsung said we were going get Get one these year.
So, we're so waiting for that and we don't exactly know what is going to look like.
So, the ZTE SNM has a thick segment in the middle it's basically to five point two inch screen next to each other, it's folds open like a book.
It has some really legitimately cool use cases in potential.
However one of those things we're there's like a lot of really weird.
Kind of, I don't know, like hurdles to usability.
So it makes you left handed artificially whether you are or not.
It feels really imbalanced.
These are something that phone makers are going to have to work on in order Were to make this compelling for everyday use, not just like, great idea that I will never buy.
And also the specs have to be, they have to match.
The price has to match the specs.
So you will pay more for two screens.
But if you've got last year's technology, do you really want it?
I can tell you a lot of advertisers I've spoken to here at the show, many of who attend here, they're intrigued by the idea of dual screens because it helps to solve the battle between
Content interrupting or stomping on advertising and vice versa and all the viewability that everyone's key about just get each camp its own screen simultaneously.
Here's the content on the left here's the ad they bought on the right no one's worried about viewability.
They're both viewable
But then somehow the ads will end up on both screens and you'll never find a way around it, there'll be a third screen.
Yeap, you're on it.
I am not sold on the dual thing although I feel this is more gimmicky.
But I think about the Nintendo DS and how I felt about that when it came out and I thought that was the most gimmicky thing and that it became a really amazing game system.
So you never know.
I feel like it needs to be really good.
I think you find ways to use it in your everyday life or you don't.
So with a folding phone-
I'm leaning don't, but yeah.
One of the use cases is multitasking, right?
So you can have your video on one screen and do something else on the other.
You can open it up and have a larger display if you don't have an ugly seam down the middle.
Or, I kinda like this.
I don't know if I would use it but, you can sort of fold it like a tent, and imagine you're sitting across a room with some on a table and you can watch the same video.
Or like in mini laptop.
Or like in mini laptop exactly.
Kind of like that Lenovo concept with the keyboard, like maybe if we're typing something.
To wrap here the one that everyone was just wondering if it might arrive and
Didn't, Galaxy S9, what's your forecast on it now?
I never thought it was gonna come here.
That is not part of Samsung's historical release cycle, it just doesn't happen this early.
So that is a phone that is widely expected to come at Mobile World Congress, which is the end of February, leaning into March.
Or, quite possibly, if Samsung doesn't hit that target date, it could come as a standalone event afterwards.
We've seen that happen with two of the Samsung phones.
Where that event would take place in New York, but it's short.
So you're either gonna get end of February or to mid-March.
And then we'll see the phone hit store shelves probably in late March, April.
I'm guessing all of this but just based on years and years and years of Galaxies.
Yeah, that cycle.
Yeah, I mean we're like about 10 years in.
Standard issue, exactly.
There's a certain muscle memory now.
We're fairly confident that this will happen.
It will be interesting.
Some of that technology finally does make it into the Galaxy S9, the most realistic used case I think will not be that the S9 is foldable, that that, it could have a finger print sensor in screen or under screen just like the Vivo phone that we saw.
That's interesting because if you look at the production time, obviously they would had to have been engineering this new part in To the spec for the S9, so I wonder how they would feel about the fact that someone else stole their thunder and yet they'd be the first big phone perhaps to have this.
You know, I actually think it's the other way around.
I think that the interest around VEVO could be a sort of a validation if Samsung's planning this, because this is something people are getting excited about.
It's hyped up.
The VEVO phone is not announced.
We don't have a name, we don't have a price.
We don't know when it's coming to market.
It's preproduction but ready for production.
So we don't know when this is coming out.
It's very possible, oftentimes when a company announced it first they're not always first to market.
Samsung is a global brand.
Vivo's really mostly known in China.
So Vivo's gain here could be Samsung's gain as well.
That happens with Synaptics in the past.
You'll see a concept and then you will see it emerge.
In another product, you know of course the fingerprint sensor.
Yeah, the trial balloon brand is here, the main go to market brand is over here.
It's a good harbinger of it.
Yeah I mean we've also seen things come to other phones first, like wireless charging, and waterproofing, and then Apple comes along and it's like it's been invented for the first time.
That whole pixie dust is a whole other story.
All right, thank you Jessica, appreciate it.
For myself and Scott Stine.
Thanks for watching.
We'll get that [INAUDIBLE] done afterwards.
If you want to.
Go scrub up and get ready.
I'm all ready.
Okay, good, great.