Apple and Pebble fight for your wrist, and is Nougat right for your phone? (CNET's Open_Tab Ep. 5)
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Apple and Pebble fight for your wrist, and is Nougat right for your phone? (CNET's Open_Tab Ep. 5)

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[MUSIC] Hey, welcome everyone, to Open_Tab, this is CNET's weekly recap show, where we throw a few back, in good company, and talk about all the tech that will work for you this holiday weekend. Pay attention, big holiday weekend, lot of texts to pay attention to. I'm Jeff Backler joined by our wearables expert, Mr. Scott Stein. Hello. Glad to be here. Scott Stein does more than just wearables I promise you that. I'm just a wearables expert, that's all I'm ever good for. And drinks beer on couches In the library. We got Mike and Bryan in the control room. They're steering this ship. Hopefully through peaceful waters and we're going to be taking your questions as are so very looking forward to all of your riveting Facebook and YouTube commentary because as we all know, those are two platforms where brilliant discourse takes place. Alright, we know that. Alright, let's get into We're expecting elevated thoughts. The bar's pretty freaking high kid. Let's jump into our first, Joey's here. Hey Joey. I'm sorry that wasn't really a prompt there. I'm snuggled next to him. Joseph Kaminsky huddled behind a laptop Is here to Scott's right. I know I'm quiet you forgot I was here. He's the nuts [CROSSTALK] and bolts of this show he's the damn glue. I am the nuggety filling. We'll get to nugget a little later. So much nugget in this episode. [LAUGH] so nuggety delicious. All right, let's talk about wearables, because, like I said, that's all you do here. Because it's it, and then you can eliminate me. That's it. I'm done. We'll cut to break and go. The hourglass is running out. So tell me about what is popular with variables in your life. What are you doing That has you turning to wearables and saying, this is a thing I need. Yeah, well they're definitely not popular in my family. Yeah. If I stopped using them, I would be welcomed. Sure. Cuz nobody- [CROSSTALK] This is going good. Yeah, that's one more thing I'm coddling, in my life. So you're saying, you like them. [LAUGH] Yeah. Exactly. It's so fantastic. [LAUGH] I think it's definitely a time to wait on getting anything unless you wanna spend like $100. But what I use them for? I kept saying, first time I used a Pebble it was basically like a pager on your wrist. Okay. And I don't think it's changed much since then. The best thing a wearable does is buzz you and give you a reminder, which sometimes can be really helpful if you think you might miss a call. Or there's something you don't want to pick up your phone. There's also obviously the fitness tracking part which if you stick to a routine, the problem is it's a carrot on a stick that's got to go with like a regular gym regimen, nutrition, Right, and I'm glad you brought up the fitness thing because I think There's a lot of stuff going on. I don't want to say what I want to say, but what I am going to say is, hey maybe all this fitness crave stuff is not something anyone should really like completely really on for getting healthy. Yes, well no doctor thinks of these as an answer. Right. So not medically approved. He looks at the chart he's like, look Larry The reason you're 100 pounds overweight. Yeah. Cuz you don't have a FitBit. Gotta get yourself a FitBit. Right. It comes down to when I've been able to lose weight or if I gain weight again. And I've used a ton of these things. First you gotta stick to one, so if I'm switching from one to the other, it's not gonna work. Yeah. And, yeah. It's just a motivator. It's like if that works, if you've got some other system that works. But they all tap out generally at the step tracking and they do something like running or some heart rate stuff so, the deeper you get, the more active you try to get, the more fitness trackers tend to fail you. So, if you're just trying to see was I alive and walking- It's going to make me sound dismissive, but it's true. That's great. Really, if you're going to go to the gym three for four times a week, you know that, and you know what you're doing. The watch is going to do that. The tracker is like extra motivation. Use it for that, use it for those. I use it for things like checking the weather. Yeah. Like DarkSky is actually a great app. Let you know when the weather, when it's gonna rain within five minutes, so you seem like Doc Brown. Cool. Yeah, so that, I love that app. It's micro weather reports. And I want everyone watching on YouTube, Facebook, wherever you're coming from, comment on what you're seeing right here. We're gonna answer as many questions as we can or take your comments or do what we need to do to help you out to insure that you have a successful July 4th weekend. And if you're not in the country and you're celebrating something else, you can have a good weekend, also. So make sure you interact with us and we'll get to some of those as they come in. Yeah. But Scott, I wanna pivot to specifically The Apple watch, the Pebble, the smartwatches. Is right now the time to own a smartwatch? No. Okay, moving along. We're done. Basically, if you can spend as little as possible right now. The reason I say that is because We're expecting all these things to get upgrades in the fall. Apple Watch should. Android Wear. Pebble coming out. Pebble's coming out. We already know about that. We expect all the other watchmaker's gonna follow soon. So you wanna kick yourself from spending $700 on something that's gonna get updated. Summer's a good time to wear one. As you're probably out and about, but it's just not a great time to buy one unless, again, Pebble actually makes a couple of very affordable ones. That's probably a pretty good way to go for saying we're not spending a lot of money or this thing's on sale like $100, whatever you feel comfortable with. If you're buying a pair of shoes, and you're okay with getting a new pair of shoes later, But, just, it's like, I don't want to tell you, and don't come to me later telling me that, there's a new version out, that's a problem. So you're saying- And I think they all need improvement, so there's no perfect smart watch right now, definitely. What are you gonna say, Joe? I think one that I need to mention that I'm looking forward to is the Microsoft Band 3 I just, learned that there is something called the Microsoft band three. Tell me about it. [INAUDIBLE] The two, is current right now. Right that's what you're doing. [CROSSTALK] Might not be aware of the Microsoft band one and two at this point. Right but me, in the smart band sense, I like a regular watch on my left hand. of course. And I like something that doesn't look like a watch on my right hand. Okay now you're [INAUDIBLE] [CROSSTALK] Well because I don't want to look like I'm wearing two watches. but you do look like this guy No because this guy, honestly, if this wasnt so glossy You look like some time traveler, like I need to its like the live strong Armstrong bands from the 90s. No you look like you look like your in the Inspector Gadget mode you are not fooling anyone. I love this because it has GPS and I ride a bicycle and a lot of them Don't have GPS like some of the garment ones. Garment ones, and then increasingly some of the ones. I started out with the Nike Jewel band. Loved it. It was great for steps. It was great for the community. It was great for steps. It was great for steps and the community, because it had motivational flags. It gives you yay, fort nights, etc. Right. But it was horrible if I rode my bicycle, because I would ride my bicycle maybe ten miles, and somebody would run two miles, and they'd kick my **** in these so called Nike Fuel measurement system. I like this because it actually logs my distance cuz it has GPS. Okay. I like it also has UV. UV. Do you use the UV feature? I will this weekend. Really? This is something that appeals to mind. It has UV touch. It does have UV sensor. Let's be honest. It's got it under your wrist. You can wear it the other way around. A man can be- Hold on. Let me see if it's sunny. We actually are men. So the Microsoft band, I think you're kinda meant to wear it flipped around. With the band, with the screen underneath. So you're wearing it wrong. No because I'd rather scratch this because I'm typing all the time. Then you flip and you can read the band. I don't want. Otherwise you're like that bending your arm. Another benefit to having it underneath though you can have your text alerts and when Scott [INAUDIBLE] Right be discrete. It comes on the top and everybody, like my son is always like. I got you. You can put you nose you can use your nose to swipe the screen. What I would like to see in terms of features, it's great. I would like to see a better battery life. Yeah.>> And maybe a little more refined design. But Im content with all of the features that it has in it All right, you're welcome Microsoft, that is the longest [INAUDIBLE]. You were on board like- [INAUDIBLE]. Because they just added- It collects a lot of data, that's definitely true. But they also added sports community, there's a sleep tracker, so now like Nick Healey is my only other friend with a [LAUGH] Microsoft Band so I can see how well Nick did and then he would [INAUDIBLE]. Join Joe and Nick in the community. You guys holding another meeting? Well no, because another thing, that you can get competitive [CROSSTALK] Nick's now doing more steps in Australia than I can do in New York. [LAUGH] We'll it's gravity [CROSSTALK] Social is if you're gonna introduce fitness band stuff, one of the main points is you do it to compete with people. Yeah they had a gamify it. Yeah, gamify it. And I mean Apple Watch is finally getting on board with that, but Fitbit that's the main appeal with Fitbit is I think is that you say or you have a friend that does it. So again it's like If you have ten friends that are all using Jaw Bone, you're like the Jaw Bone. Exactly. A club .Then join that club. Yeah. You got your job on club. But hopefully, it's a platform that a lot of other people are using. Join that Jaw Bone club. People used to spends all sorts of money on diet plans and things. Everybody would buy a gadget just to Do those things. Right. Back in the 70's or whatever that period of time was. Yeah. You didn't have the more advanced pedometers but what I am just saying is. Yeah. (laughter) It sounds (unintelligible). Let's hear what the internet has to say about this fine stuff. Yeah. I believe we have a couple questions from the internet. Yes, guys, So, Elliot on YouTube has a comment. He says that he likes the Moto360 for it's faces. Dominic on Facebook love his Pebble for it's long battery charge. RJ says he's tried several of the smart watches out there, but he likes just an old fashioned watch for the basics. And Jorge had a question. He wants to know if If you think GPS could come into a future version of an Apple Watch? Or if there's any speculation that you guys have heard about an Apple Watch 2 in the future? Scott, what do you think about the GPS on an Apple Watch? Well, based on the GPS, It's an iPhone. Just strap that around your wrist. Biggest problem with GPS is the battery life, because you're gonna get six hours max. Some of the GPS use, before these devices die. And so the battery life was already pretty low on the Apple watch, really like a day and a half. And do you wanna cut that down further? That's That's the only problem, and then you also have to make it a little bit bigger, probably, because a lot of these things have to find a way to get that mechanism, get that tech in there. Right, like man, they just need to make the Apple Watch automatic? That's what I think, is just focus on making it more automatic and more seamless. So when I say automatic I mean, like, powered by the motion of your wrist. I see what you're saying. Yes, exactly. Like I get it, that's an insane amount of energy you're producing, but, like, yeah, watches kind of need to have that. Like the automatic watches of the world are amazing right and kind of like laugh in the face of all these smart watches its charging is the most annoying thing. Its amazing to me how so many people seem okay with the charging their devise. The problem is this, if we had some sort of universal charging, there is, there is Chi, I mean, universal charging mat or stand right But what happens is that all of these wearables don't use it or they use it in some way you have to use a special little- It's ridiculous. Attachment. You can't just chuck them on the table, your magic charging disk. We were promised the mat. Yeah, where you can't drop them on your charging table. But if you could just take off all your stuff and your shoes, your hat, your smart glasses, you smart pants, whatever You put those on the charged table. Sure, that's great. I mean. But I'm not gonna hunt around for these dongles and carry them and it gets frustrating. Pebble, I do like because of battery life. Yeah, like- That's the thing. Look. Solid week. Full disclosure, full transparency, I pre-ordered a Pebble Time too on Kickstarter. Yeah. I backed it. I always wanted a pebble, but I commit myself to wait, and I finally feel like I'm going to rewarded for my patience. The pebble times two, I think looks like, I like the size of that screen, they really doubled up on that, yeah. And I think that they've been making a lot of these watches have been making games. If you do care about fitness tracking, the basic fitness tracking has all been getting better on those watches. Okay. Android Wear has been getting better over time, Pebble has been doing automatic step and sleep tracking, so it kinda almost does the same thing that you get out of the Fitbit minus, again, the community, but some basic features are already in there so you might find yourself pretty happy with a lot of what it offers. Just don't expect, again, the idea of apps on a watch, if you want that That stuff's not there. Some of the things like payments- Right.>> are starting to show up. But again, how often do I use this for payments? I've always got my wallet, and it's not showing up on every terminal, so- Yeah, what do you think the next big step smartwatches have to achieve for them to hit It's sort of like critical mass. I had dinner in San Francisco when I was out there last time. And I was sitting next to this couple and it was like the classic average person. They weren't in text so it was different. Right. But I thought their convo was going to be something about battery life and basically they just said, yeah I'll buy one of those when it doesn't cost $700. It was price. And yeah, price and I can use it away from my phone. Yeah, you have to sever that connection. Yeah, so I actually think those two things, that actually [INAUDIBLE] price and the more people realize how much you need your phone around. These things do a little bit without your phone but not enough and that really breaks the magic super watch thought. Sure. What, what am I using this for? Yeah. So I think you could do it more with that. Now 3G connection. Some of these watches already have cellular. Samsung Gear S2, 3G. Again, you're talking another radio, it's another power source. Yeah. That sounds like all these things cut down and I wear them for what, nine hours? It's crazy. The battery, LG has one that's 3G, Android Wear, but you have to pay for the extra data, if they're bigger, they really don't make much sense. A lot of the apps don't really feel hooked into it. So it's a kind of interesting idea but it's not really an interesting idea but at some point you do want it to work. Just just like work and I know that's like dumb and obvious No that's it is that you don't want to spend a lot of time on your watch, everybody's on to that We're just not there yet No, and watch faces, I think finally somebody said, that's a great point about watch faces the three sixty yea Just make all these things things should be are cool watch faces and let me do it on the computer, give me a cool set of tools Pebble, Moto, whatever it is, even Apple. Do it Apple. Let me build it. Let me build it and do what I want. And as many, I want that screen. Complications. Filled with like 20. All the state capitals, I don't know why. Right, it's like looking at it with a microscope, like a jeweler's loop, so what. I want that. I agree, whatever I want with it. There's a question from YouTube. Are smartwatch batteries getting bigger? Like physically or? They weren't specific. I guess they have to get bigger if they're going to take up more real estate, you mean. I don't know. They may have to, or I think you're going to have a hard time making even more efficient processor. You're up against a bit of a wall. Right. They might be a little bit bigger, or come up with, I mean, I actually think a way to go would be maybe some sort of battery wristband? Yeah maybe- Or- That makes sense, I like that, I want to see that. Apple's put batteries in everything, put it in the wristband. Well Pebble did that whole smart band thing which never really turned into anything and so why don't you have, like, smartstrap accessories? Right All right, good thought. We're gonna talk to Mike in the control for just a sec before we move on. All right. Thank you very much everybody for joining us. We just wanna do a couple of quick call outs. Thank you to Stephen, Jeff, Dave and R. J., Dave, Kendrick, Paul, Brad, and Edwin for being in our Facebook chat. And over on YouTube, [UNKNOWN] Clifford for talking with us today. Jeff, Joe, Scott, back to you guys. Do we keep going? Saucy. That's Saucy. Who's Saucy? What's up Saucy, how you doing? Welcome to the show. Okay Now, Scott and I got to do something really awesome this week. Who you gonna call? Who are you going to call? [LAUGH] Who are you going to call? Is what Janine says in the first Ghostbusters film. Yeah. We got to do this amazing VR Ghostbusters experience. That's the other thing Scott does, VR. Yeah, it was a joke, Joe. We know he does it. I was thinking, I totally forgot. Yeah, okay, great. And one other role, then you can retire. Interrupting, geez, anyway. Madame Tussaud's. Do you know what Madame Tussaud's is? If you don't know what it is It's this wax museum place. There's a couple of them around the world. There's one in Time's Square and Ghostbusters, the new film out later this month, teamed up with this vr company called, The Void. And The Void puts together this These very elaborate, interactive, over the top VR experiences. And you and I got to sample it out a few days before it goes public. I believe it starts today. It does. It's open today. It does. So this was amazing because to me this was the best VR I'd ever done. And I was telling you that, and you kinda like- I was like, really? Yeah, because I'm never optimistic about anything. No, that's true. And Sarah, our photographer, tried it out and she's like really cynical about things like VR, and she said that was pretty cool. Yeah, she's like, it's cool. Which is like the highest praise you could give. I liked it a lot. I found myself getting a little bit Sick? No, super critical. Okay. Because I use it a lot. Yeah, you have a refined VR palette. Yeah, and because the bloom has worn off, as far as the novelty of it. Right. But it is really cool as far as how you feel like you're in another space. You could walk around. It's very, regardless of that the VR they had of me interviewing Ivan Reichman was amazing. It felt like I was actually sitting next to him. He was so real. So realistic, he even said Hey Jeff, good to meet you. I couldn't believe it. Anyway, so check it out. This is what we did. They put you in this amazing apparatus Dude, the vest we had was force feedback and it was locationally aware so while youre walking through this open space, this set that they built for the VR experience, you felt feedback. Like if a A ghost threw a book at your left shoulder. Guess what? Your left shoulder vibrated. It's like crazy VR laser tag. Yeah, it was- [CROSSTALK] wandering with this gear. Can't say enough amazing stuff about this thing. I think when you like really break it down. It was super impressive. So again, like imagine they build an entire sort of fun house For you to walk through Yes. The floor shakes, they emulated an elevator, the floor shakes. You can feel the walls in the VR and in real life! We don't even know what it looked like. Right. That's the thing, we had no idea. It probably was terrible. It probably just looked like a bunch of set pieces. Because no one's actually gonna see that cuz they basically overlay the VR over the physical world that they have created in fact. So like there's a part where you think you're on a scaffolding, there's a railing, you put your arm out to grab the rail and you Grab a rail. You actually feel it. Of course they shake the crap out of it and you think you're gonna fall off a 40 story building. But, man. It lines up really well. It lined up real well, you open doors and you're even able to do that. You Feel that one to one connection, you go in with three people total so you see the other people in that experience which is something I've never done in VR before. Yea you can talk to each other and you know sort of do a little bit of communication about your Plan. I thought it was so damn cool. So would you go back? I would do it again. I mean it's only seven minutes. Yeah, there'd probably be a longer line [UNKNOWN] With the Madame Tussaud's admission and the extra price it's not cheap. But it's as a one time experience Versus buying this VR gear. Right. And putting it in your home. It's probably the right level for people. It is. It's doing stuff you can't do at home, which is one, which uses a huge maze of rooms. And the backpack computer's totally wireless. Let's not forget about that. What's the age range? Height requirement? 48 inches. Yeah? I asked him about this. Yeah, that's smart. So, 48 inches. No age range, but it's because of the weight of the backpack- Right. and, probably for safety too, just to make sure your not going to Fall over or anything. But I think it's interesting. They do kind of let you feel free to just do whatever you want. Technically you could fall over. Yeah I guess if you wanted to, you could climb over that scaffolding. I bet that each student. And just fall into, and someone is probably like, dude, get back. Just get back into the thing. Don't. I heard. If you removed your helmet. I'm so mad I didn't do that. [UNKNOWN] I figured it would have been like Eyes Wide Shut, there's just a circle of people watching you. Yeah, maybe. Silent watchers. So- They probably got a lot of assistants just ready to help because of safety concerns. I would imagine it's very bright because all the little ping pong balls have to be able- That's a good point, we assume it's dark. To see red. What were you gonna say, Jeff? Well, we have Marcus in the chat. Okay. And he wants to know, is it Immersive VR and not augmented. No. It's completely immersive. You are putting on a headset, looking through its lenses. Right. You can't see any of the real world, but what they do is they built a set in reality that has the same spatial dimensions of what you're seeing in VR. So there was one part where like. There was a graded sort of gate. I put my hand on it, and it felt like a gate, it felt like a fence. They really did a great job. There's one scene where Slimer passes through you, like the ghost, and they like mist you, right? Yeah, they mist you. You get a little damp. You get a little wet. It was so good. And you can even smell sometimes, like a little 4D theatre. It was so good. 4D sim experiences. And they call it hyper-reality or mixed reality. Yeah, that's all marketing. It's marketing. It is VR, and if you know about the HTC Vive, basically yeah, it's kinda like what HTC Vive does with boundaries of a room. Yeah. Like you said, it's much more advanced in the sense that they map. I mean, they're building this to a specific set. Right. So, they build out all the physical details that they want, so you can feel like your touching more, plus they have all the sensory stuff, but then it is full virtual reality. Right, its full virtual reality, and that's the thing. You're not looking outside. Right, and that's why I think virtual reality works kind of great right now. Like, Do this. Yeah. Like build these things at theme parks, wherever they are. Build it, make it this. Because the VR experience relies just as much on the physical space as it does the VR. If there wasn't a vibrating floor, if there wasn't wind, to make you think you were on top of a building, it would fall flat. This adds something that you just aren't going to get at home. Right. They realize the more senses you can throw, at you, to create that illusion, It's not about the graphics even. And the graphics I feel like in a way are a step down. Right, they weren't the best. Right, they weren't like if you've tried Vibe you might have actually seen something with a little bit better graphics. But they're still good. But it's not like, yeah, you feel like you're more in a game. But it's everything else there to create that sense of reality where you go, wow. And you take it off and can't- It taps like all the sense. The touch, smell, feel, all that. Yeah, I feel like the smell was probably unintentional, but that worked. It was a toasted marshmallow smell, Dan. Was it really? I really wasn't joking when I said it smelled like toasted marshmallows. Did they do that on purpose? Yes, you No. I didn't ask them. But so maybe. You smell what you wanna smell. Yeah. It might've just. [LAUGH] Because usually you're hungry. [INAUDIBLE] things. Yeah. But when I was fighting the Stay Puft marshmallow man. I hate to give it away. But You know, yeah. That felt weird. And like wasn't it great like you shot him in the hand and his hand got burnt like it wasn't like all can stuff where like- No it was a good game. Where this is loading because it is supposed to. I like in the first scene you are in this little room in an apartment and you just tear the whole place To prep, you just use your pro. All the stuff's on the floor, and I'm like. That was supposed to just do that. And then I shout the stuff on the floor, and it pops. Okay. This is a game. A video game. Yeah. It's a real mini game. And the elevator scares me. It wasn't too scary. That one moment in the elevator, They had this girl. This girl ghost. She comes in. I'm cold or something like that. I literally went to cover my eyes even though there were no hands. You were like (noise). I was just like, I would close my eyes like it's going to be bad. There's no good thing that happens with girl ghost getting on elevator. It's never good. No. It never ends well. It is going to scare you. It reminded me of Tower of Terror. For sure. It had a little bit of a terror feeling. Same kind of vibe. When I went up on that balcony. I got scared. Really felt like yeah I felt scared. And I turned around and saw that my other Ghostbusters buddies stayed behind. [LAUGH] They were all like back in the room. Right, I'm not going out there. In the room of the hotel watching me to see what would happen as if I would like die in VR. It's good, they did a great job. So you gotta give props to the void, they did a really good job with that [UNKNOWN]. I may have sounded like a little bit Critical when I wrote it just because I felt like I was expecting. I heard so much about The Void, and I thought is this redefining what I think about VR. Not entirely, but it is really very well done. Yeah,, for sure. All right let's move things along just a little bit. I've got a VR question. Sure. They want to know from Scott Which do you already think is better? I believe this is the Vive versus the Oculus. That's a good question, okay. Settle this right now. I think the Vive is the best hardware going right now, for a number of reasons. I agree. I think that the visual quality in the headset looks a little bit better. The controllers, the room element, and there are more games right now that you can get On Steam. I think Oculus Touch is gonna catch up to that. Right. Quite a bit. I like Oculus' compact feeling though in the design of just the package, I think is a little more consumer friendly. I still feel like though, for the average person, you're probably better off just getting something super cheap like the Gear VR. Totally. And waiting. Yeah. Playstation VR is pretty cool. I wanna see more about that. I feel like that's a good price for the system. It's definitely the most successful. Yeah. That's kinda the one I'd wanna try the most. Right .Cuz I'm not a PC gamer. So it'd be investing You have to invest in the PC, and you know the stuff is gonna get better in like a year. Totally. And the games are gonna keep getting better. The headsets won't suck as much, wearing, and- That's the thing, is that yeah, suddenly you, like how many times are you gonna buy a new headset? Yeah, we're not there yet, but we're on the road. Prepare glasses and earphones, earbuds. That's it, right? Especially like the best five. So I"m talking to two people who Use iPhones, right? You guys have iPhones? I have Android. You've had Android. You've dipped in the Android pond. But we have 3D Hero. Yeah, I get, Android phone. I'm going no. Android phones, so yeah, Android. Google came out, said, hey Android N. Do you know what the N stands for? It's not Nutella. Nougat. It's what? It's not Nutella. It should have been. [LAUGH] Although I guess the Nutella people were like pay us, but anyway. I guess no one knows the copy write of the nougat. The nougat people. Snickers probably has like a nice chunk of the nougat. The new OS is called. Open source. Nougat. Nougat is Creative Common. Right off the bat, I want to talk to Google right now. I got a bone to pick with you, Google. I get it. You let me load Nougat onto my Nexus 16. I thank you for the opportunity to test drive your beta software, but we've got some problems. Number one. So overall, it is a good experience. Its nougat, it's delicious. [LAUGH] Nothing wrong with nougat. Nothing wrong with nougat. Would there ever have been like, ugh, this cake has nougat, in it. [LAUGH] Can we just specify too, that Nougat can be purchased two blocks away. This is not a plug for that store. There's a great World Food market. You're in the pocket of Big Nougat. [LAUGH] Exactly. Big Nougat, that's But I thought about buying a bunch of nougat to bring on, cuz there's really some delicious [UNKNOWN] of nougat around the world with nuts and fruit and what have you.>>I'm gonna eat my hand right now. This encourages people to- I thought Oreo was the last dessert we had in here for [UNKNOWN] No, Kit Kat. Did we have Kit Kats in here? You mean actual. What do you say? Ryan [INAUDIBLE] brought [INAUDIBLE] for everyone when he was with HTC for the launch. Okay, four people know what you're talking about. A long time ago. But that's when I was Android. But I would say this raises a little bit more awareness about the deliciousness of certain types of nougat Yeah, dude, the Nougat veil has been lifted. So wait, back to my yelling at Google, so, like I said, they sped up Marshmallow. God, you can't sound cool at all talking about Android. You really sound masculine. I sound like a maniac. So, anyway, Marshmallow I really enjoyed. Nougat, so far so good. I have a big problem with the fact that this it doesnt like if I have WiFi on and I leave the WiFi area the 4G radio the LTE radio like doesnt turn on. I have to like cycle airplane mode for it to pick up LTE again. That's annoying. Which is like come on. Bizarre beta. [INAUDIBLE] I mean maybe, why is this still a thing. Why is that still a thing? It could just be me, I haven't Googled it or anything I just know It could also be another app that you have installed and may be conflicting. No, no. [LAUGH] That is not the answer. It is You have no other apps on your phone? Is nugget self-aware where you can ask it that directly and it could start to You mean coalesce an answer? Lets do it? Lets try it out Okay Google Why are you doing this thing with [LAUGH] NuGet right now? It's just searching whatever I just said. Ask Siri. Is it called NuGet because maybe it's all the chunks of nuts and fruit or the little things are integrating into the I'm over thinking. Anyway. So they didn't have to pay for the rights. While Scott enjoys the rest of his acid trip, do you have anything else to say about Android NuGet you've got? You got to play with it. I know. So if you're worried about pictures, The Doze mode. You know what Doze is? Yeah. Doze is like this remarkable sleep battery conservation technology they put in, or software rather, they put in Marshmallow. It worked amazing. You'd leave the phone sitting still overnight. In ten hours, you would get maybe three to four percent battery drainage. It was unheard of. Apparently now it's new and improved. I haven't noticed much more of a saving. But, I mean if you go overnight and only lose about 5% battery, like that's kind of remarkable. Any other standouts? They allow you to reply in notifications, which is just basic stuff. It really isn't a cosmetic design, redesign. It's just more of like a zippier performance. Under the hood sorta stuff. What version hardwares does it go back to? How far? I don't know that answer. Is assistant working on that now? Have you tried to chat bot assistant messages? I just use the regular Google person, whoever she is. Okay She's lovely. She's around. She's around. She responds to [INAUDIBLE]. Is [INAUDIBLE] do instant apps ever show up in any meaningful way? Basically they're talking about them. [INAUDIBLE] that's a developer thing. They have to get on that if they want that to be a thing. It's a question of like how do you, that's the biggest question when you have these. How do you How best to appreciate it. We're gonna have this question with iOS 10. Yeah. How best to appreciate all the new features. Yeah. I don't know yet. When they show up. We'll have to see how it shakes out. Carlos seems to be fine with the name Nougat and he's happy with the brand name. Right. Crawl up on the chat. I just. I just got a thing about it. Okay. Excellent. It's less, it is kind of less cutesy. It's just more weird and gross. NuGet. Okay. We're back. We're talking about a name. Nutella would have worked better for me. There's really no other candies or desserts. Nestle. They have bigger plans. All right. Let's pivot into our final topic of the day. What are you guys doing for the 4th of July, and does it involve tech at all? Because I'm doing a lot of stuff that I've kind of been looking forward to just kinda putting the phone down. You know what I mean? Being outside, in shape, but being outside. [LAUGH] You know what I mean? Like enjoying the elements. What do you guys got going on? I was supposed to go to the Bahamas Sunday and I got some lip because I said should I bring my Apple TV? And I was told we're going to be on the beach and I I'm the handy son, I'm not a big sun person. I don't mind coming out after night fall. I like being indoors during the day. Right, because you're a normal person and you know the secret [INAUDIBLE]. I love naps. I love naps. I like taking naps. All right, you sound like my grandfather. It's the 4th of July. So naps, Apple TV and the Bahamas. Dude, if you're going to the Bahamas, you've got to gamble a little bit. I don't gamble. Okay. Probably play with my son on the water slides and stuff. That sounds lovely, that'll be really nice. That sounds awesome. That's a nice trip. Where are you staying there? Totally forgot, my girlfriend did all the booking. Alright, good to know, hey. I'm going to Freeport, though. Rad. Alright, great. Man, there's was one place I remember going there. I think it's called like Tequila and Dreams, or something like that. [LAUGHTER] Sounds about right. Real dicey. What do you think tequila's, I think like the 9th, July 9th they have this little cruise ship leaving Manhattan. It's tacos and tequila. Okay let's tell Louder about that. I did I sent him the link. Sure you did. Scott Stine what do you got going on for the 4th of July, how are you going to celebrate this nation's independence? Is any of my family on Long Island? The last free [INAUDIBLE]. The last free Jew. Yes, before the [INAUDIBLE] drifts off into the ocean. [LAUGH] Becomes its own place. Long Island We kind of should just cut it off at queens and just go and throw it in the Atlantic, right? [LAUGH] Put it on a big sail and just say Bye. We're going on a journey. Bye, we don't need you. Travel around Florida, a little journey, we'll be back in a couple of months. [LAUGH] So you're going to Long Island this weekend? Back to Long Island, going out there to see family and get my family That they're going to the UK! All right, that's right! Good luck! Yeah! They'll be joining them in a little while. I love that everyone's impression of the UK now is like alternate 1985 back to the future, we're like Biff took over. Yeah. You know what I mean? If we're not careful that's how it's going to go in this- It's that or Escape From New York. It's this feeling of like, you say. Be careful, Zack's in [CROSSTALK] Wow. I know. But we're going there. [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH] It's gonna be fine. Of course. I go there a lot and looking forward to going back in. But I'm gonna have a couple weeks when they're gone, that's what's gonna happen after fourth of July, I'm just going to be like lonely guy. Bachelor town. Bachelor town. Hey there lonely boy [CROSSTALK]. And if anyone is hanging out. What a great hashtag, hang out with Stine. That's cool. Catch up on movies and feel like [INAUDIBLE] in that episode. You're going to be [INAUDIBLE]. Play some games. Play some games. Definitely be all right. Yeah, actually play some games and catch up on all the boring stuff that- Right. It'll actually be pretty boring. Okay. Sounds good. That's great. What about you, sir? I'm just going to my hometown, see my parents, gonna hang out around there Do the bar-b-ques, do the swimming, maybe the beach. You been playing hockey lately? I've been playing hockey, yeah, I play about twice a week, thanks for asking! [INAUDIBLE] I appreciate, no, I'm not allowed to play there anymore! [LAUGH] Anyway! Thank you for joining us on another edition of Open Ted. Do me a favor, keep the conversation going in the comments, and we will be back next week, I promise! Until next time, we'll see you soon. Thank you so much to everybody here, the control room. I didn't even mention that. What? Mild tendonitis, in case you were curious. You're fine, right? [LAUGH] You're like everyone's like, what the heck is this? This is just- Nobody asked what that was? That's the new Apple smartwatch. This is I'm testing something out. All right, we'll see you guys next time. It's really bad for wearables. It's the virtual gauntlet. [MUSIC]

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